protection

[still pagoda]

i'm not returning

[steep bone]

i mean blood elf is cool

[still pagoda]

played alli on May 28th last time

[steep bone]

but lifghtforged racial, im missing it

[sweet summit]

Wait what

Ally gets belfs

[steep bone]

yes, void elves gets new customization

[still pagoda]

they're giving Blood Elf skin colours and hair to VE

[sweet summit]

Oh ew

[steep bone]

that makes them use normal skin color of belfs so they look like belfs with better hair style

[still pagoda]

they don't have AT anyway

so nah

[steep bone]

actually heed my call sims better over lifespeed/ele whirl

do i trust or no

[still pagoda]

guild chat earlier today

[sweet summit]

Heed is good dam

I trust

[still pagoda]

MOAR IT

whenever you see IT on the vendor, know that there is at least one paladin in your guild going broke

[sweet summit]

Man if i had more echoes id buy loads and loads of IT1

But i dont

[still pagoda]

i bought 2

and put them on 475 rings

[steep bone]

why would you buy so many IT

[sweet summit]

Gonna put one on shield and one on carapace mace if i get it

MY dream is to make ineffable ravager work

[still pagoda]

why would you buy so many IT

Holy paladin

gonna drop one exp and get TD5+2xIT1 today

with 59 corruption

but still

[orchid frigate]

think ill buy some expedient for arms 😍

was a yuge dps increase

[lime mantle]

@steep bone I am judging.

[steep bone]

:<

[lime mantle]

Violently.

[soft prairie]

is EV3 any good for tanking? m+, raid?

[sick sentinel]

holy paladin plays with 8-11 Ineffable

EV3 is bad for it's corruption value

unless u don't have anything better

[soft prairie]

alrighty

[lime mantle]

I assume same applies to IT2 right-o?
It's better to have IT1x2 than IT2 if you have all corruptions on already

[sweet summit]

IT1 is better than IT2 so yeah

[rocky linden]

Is it common to run two of them?

[still pagoda]

yes

really common

[rocky linden]

For more claps?

I guess that describes the entire spec atm

[orchid frigate]

stupid question, but in shrine on 2nd boss. do people tend to hold interrupts while blessing of the tempest is up?

[flat jackal]

No

It’s one of the reasons why people tank on the safe spot

[steady slate]

what safe spot?

[orchid frigate]

when i try to do it theres tornados knocking me down to the water

😦

[flat jackal]

The safe spot on the ledge where the tornados don’t reach the group and for the most part the tank as well

Are you tanking on the shelf or the one closest to the obelisk?

[still pagoda]

For more claps?
@rocky linden

Mostly for SR and other CD's

[orchid frigate]

shelf

[flat jackal]

As tank you have to move a bit. It’s a pain for the tank to do it on the shelf, but it’s worth it since dps and heals don’t have to do mechanics

If you see 2 spawn right on you, you move out around a bit until that safe tank spot clears up.

[lime mantle]

@sweet summit I mean, I have IT2 atm and I don't know if I wanna buy IT1x2 to have it in case

[orchid frigate]

ok, thanks tofu

[flat jackal]

Practice it a bit. Once you get it down it’s the easiest thing ever

[sweet summit]

If you hug the corner tornadoes cant hit you

@lime mantle i have 4x rank2 ineffables, and im buying 2x ineffable 1s

[orchid frigate]

guess i should go in and practice on m0

like ive done with snapping spots in atal 😄

[lime mantle]

I-is that a yes or a no @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

Its a "i dont want to make that decision for you because corruptions arent that black and white"

[lime mantle]

O-okay thanks that makes sense

[sweet summit]

Like IT1 is amazing, but it also depends on how many echoes you have/will get, what else you want/need to buy, and what you already have

[daring bay]

@sweet summit wait what, i always been dogdning them :V

[sweet summit]

You know the rocks where dps/healer stands to avoid tornadoes?
If you hug the corner at the top there towards the rock, tornadoes never hit you. You only have to think when moving out of the DR ward

Or ive just been super lucky in all my shrine runs

[steady slate]

i've never been in a shrine group that stood up there to avoid tornados.

i didn't know you could

[sweet summit]

I mark it and say, stay there when i pug

Makes the fight impossible to wipe on as long as you kick the boss

[steady slate]

can melee still attack from there, because most groups i run with are 2 or 3 melee dps

[sweet summit]

Yes, melee can dps and kick from there

You tank them close to the rocks

[daring bay]

ye i know about the spot for melee to be safe, just didnt know tank could be safe to

[steep bone]

well failed 5 mask, any way of not getting chain stunned by rexar?

he literally spawned all of his pets

[rocky linden]

I mean, youre the one who spawns his pets

[steep bone]

Umm, how does he exactly work

[sweet summit]

% hp based

[rocky linden]

HP%

[steep bone]

Oh

so way to do him is to kill pet > him

[sweet summit]

Dps hom a bit the kill pet

[rocky linden]

In theory, yes. In practice, just make sure Gift is ready and smash

[sweet summit]

Or go all in and nule him with drums

[steep bone]

well i tried

but then i got chain stunned

[rocky linden]

By what?

Are you walking in to the traps?

[steep bone]

these appearances spawning around me, + fear on me

[sweet summit]

Like the moving sha things is just to dodge

[steep bone]

and then i think i walked on a trap

[sweet summit]

Oh

[steep bone]

and by that time he had all pets out

[sweet summit]

Berzerker rage/spell reflect

[rocky linden]

Pull him into the corner close to the door, no traps and lots of time to see the apperations

[steep bone]

i should get cheat death

[steady slate]

i see what we're doing wrong on tidesage council. we're getting torn apart by tornados because we're interrupting each and every cast, regardless of whether or not blessing of the tempest is active.

[rocky linden]

If you're trying 5 masks as a prot spec before even having cheat death unlocked I think you sound pretty brave

[steep bone]

Well i gone party perks first

[rocky linden]

Why?

[steep bone]

i was stupid

[rocky linden]

Fair enough :p

[steady slate]

don't beat yourself up. i did the same thing expecting to run these in groups

[steep bone]

Well we supposed to do them as grp of friends but yeah they doesn't care at all anymore

[steady slate]

i still haven't tried to run these with a full party yet. i'd like to give it a shot

[steep bone]

is drestgath any good for visions tho?

just have fire mage oneshoting all bosses, ez clap

[steady slate]

lol what's a fire mage? all the mages i know are frost

[steep bone]

tell them to delete

[sweet summit]

Frost mage

[steady slate]

those glacial spikes are nice though

[steep bone]

87123817238217kk combustion is ever better

[rocky linden]

Imagine playing frost with fire being the most broken spec in the game

[steep bone]

even arcane would have better burst than frost lul

[sweet summit]

Frost is good for one thing

[steady slate]

i guess they don't like how fire plays right now.

[sweet summit]

Beach pull in tol dagor

[rocky linden]

My hunter was so happy with his 500k dps on beach pull yesterday, then I look at our mage and he's doing 975k

[steep bone]

only 500k?

[steady slate]

i can relate. i i play arms over fury even when fury is much better because i hate the playstyle

[steep bone]

unholy dk shat on that pull patches ago

[sweet summit]

Arms lowkey better than fury everywhere atm 😳

[rocky linden]

No room for an unholy dk in your grup tho

[still pagoda]

i can relate. i i play arms over fury even when fury is much better because i hate the playstyle

BfA fury is a hot garbage of a design

IMHO

[sweet summit]

No u

[ionic fern]

Fun fact

[steep bone]

fury is cool spec

[ionic fern]

I had a arcane mage in a +21 SOTS i did

.Diddn't even notice.

[still pagoda]

kek

[steep bone]

there aren't many good arcanes

[steady slate]

i don't hate people who enjoy fury. i don't, so i don't play it

[rocky linden]

I've never enjoyed arms in any expansion. At least fury feels like something furious

[steep bone]

fury is cool spec
@steep bone I can play it while watching videos with one hand

[sweet summit]

We all know prot is the best spec tho

[steep bone]

so another 5 mask attempt

[steady slate]

my main issue with arms is it's tied to the test of might trait and that's never felt anything but awkward

from a pure fun perspective, i prefer gathering storm and lord of war

[torpid echo]

Guys I need your help. This week is small pack week it seems. Do you recommend taking conflict and strife rank 2 over aegis rank 3 (minorwise) ? Or the rank 3 of CnS is mandatory to make it good ?

[steep bone]

why small packs

[sweet summit]

Explosive dangerous prob

[steep bone]

just kill explo ez

[sweet summit]

Rank 2 cns is ok. Rank 3 is amazing.
Aegis needs at least 5(?) Mobs around you all the time to be better than cns 2 overall @torpid echo

[novel storm]

If you have 2x IT1s, do you still shield slam inside avatar during procc or do you just clap as long as you have enough rage to use sb?

[sweet summit]

SS on st or if u need rage

Tc for dam

[torpid echo]

Well, let's say not just this week then @steep bone ^^

Ok @sweet summit thanks !

[steady slate]

@steep bone i love how confident you are that dps will actually kill explosive orbs

[versed widget]

guys, 465 gloves with 143 haste / 101 vers or 475 gloves with 128 crit / 123 mastery? :think:

[sweet summit]

475

[versed widget]

always ilvl right?

[sweet summit]

Not always but generally yeah

[versed widget]

i had giga haste already so i feel like it's not so bad, but was worried about losing the minor vers i have

i'm running TD atm tho

[sweet summit]

Vers is lowkey irrelevant unless youre giga stacking it for giga high keys

[torpid echo]

For now I was using this setup on most key, swaping Aegis to Null Dynamo on caster heavy dungeons. With CnS, what would be the new setup ?

@sweet summit

[sweet summit]

Cns over aegis if needed and only use null in workshop tbh

[orchid frigate]

not wcm or ml?

[sweet summit]

Ml is a thing i forgot existed

[orchid frigate]

haha

[sweet summit]

Wcm is fine

[torpid echo]

Oh, ok. I was swaping to Null in Workshop, ML, WCM and SotS

[sweet summit]

Not shrine and maybe not wcm

[novel storm]

if you're running ~24s is it worth stacking vers corruption if you're not able to have vers on all your gear? And do you swap sockets etc to vers as well?

[sweet summit]

You need a lot of vers on your gear for it to be worth stacking vers%

[strong forum]

You need vers for vers% to work

[sweet summit]

And yes you enchant/gem vers too

[strong forum]

Like if you only have 1k vers on your gear and stack 6x vers3.. You will end up with ~2k vers, that's not worth it whatsoever

[torpid echo]

And, what do you mean when you say "CnS over Aegis if needed" @sweet summit ? When I know I'll pull packs that are less than 5 monsters all the time ?

[strong forum]

Pretty much

[sweet summit]

Ya

[torpid echo]

Ok thanks a lot !

[rocky linden]

Do people actually use SotW for itself now, or I assume still just if you need corruption resistance?

[strong forum]

I'm using it for itself now

Cba swapping for 0.2% difference at best

Was considering running void, but I like being above 800k hp

[ionic fern]

I barely swap anything around with my essences.
Just defaulted into Lucid major /Sotw/VoP/CnS.

👀

[still pagoda]

[torpid echo]

@ionic fern What the usual key range you play ?

[sweet summit]

I use sphere/aegis over wardwn atm

I dont need it

[still pagoda]

and i will be able to go <60 with TD5+2xIT1 today

:D

[rocky linden]

lucid major? 😮

[ionic fern]

Anything between 15-21

[sweet summit]

Lucid major is very good

[torpid echo]

Wouldn't it be better to use VoP major at this range ? That's what I understood when reading over the guide in the pin

[rocky linden]

I'm sure it is, but better than vision?

[sick sentinel]

vision old playstyle

[ionic fern]

VoP's primary value comes from being passive and being beginner friendly while also providing us a strong effect.

[still pagoda]

Lucid starts to take over around +19-20

[sick sentinel]

lucid more control

[ionic fern]

It's not "old playstyle".

It's a more beginner friendly one.

[still pagoda]

due to how controllable it is

[sick sentinel]

Vision prolly more overall dps, lucid more comtrol over your avatar

[still pagoda]

you can do a shitton more damage with Lucid

Time your pulls

[sick sentinel]

Not true but sure

[torpid echo]

Oh, another question comes to my mind. Do you guys use a wa to track IT procs ? I just bought it and was asking myself if it was a good idea to track it

[sick sentinel]

I track it

it's good to use it

[still pagoda]

i track it usually

[torpid echo]

Ok, thanks again

[mental needle]

i have TD2, IT2 and Versa3 as corruptions. Should I go all in on Haste Corruption now or buy 2x IT1 like all the other guys in this discord? The IT2 is on 460 haste/versa bracers.

sorry for the noob question

[sick sentinel]

you should buy IT 1 x 2

[mental needle]

ok thanks, if i have echoes left should i buy then haste corruption or save echoes for another TD? just running mythic but only around mythic 15.

or cleanse versa and use haste instead?

[sweet summit]

TD is the go to
Expedient is a good filler if you hsve a lot of haste already
Versatile is a good filler if you have a lot of vers already

[mental needle]

i have 21% haste and 9% versa

so i think ill buy a haste corruption as filler until TD comes up again

thanks for the help

[steep bone]

aaand i did it

thanks for all tips guys 😄

[orchid frigate]

gzgz!

[rocky linden]

So what's the trick to using lucid properly as a major?

[sweet summit]

Spamming IP

[still pagoda]

spend as much rage as possible by spamming IP and plan pulls around Lucid CD

[rocky linden]

How does that help my dps tho?

Just due to more avatars?

[amber siren]

more rage procs AM which means more avatars

[still pagoda]

due to being invincible on giga big pulls

[torn scarab]

You get 15% leech, combined with avatar its a big defensive cd, you get infinite rage meaning AM will reset avatar which feeds back into dps and survivability

[rocky linden]

I like the idea. I assume I definitely want VoP as a minor

[amber siren]

not really

[still pagoda]

i have defaulted to Lucid major and SotW/CnS/VoP minors myself

occasionally swapping VoP and Lucid in their places

[sweet summit]

VoP is more dps overall iirc

Lucid is a lot bettee defensively tho

[rocky linden]

No more Sphere?

[torn scarab]

dont think i've ever specced out of vop minor in keys, raids is another thing

[still pagoda]

the question between VoP and Lucid is whether you need planned CD for big pulls or just keys higher than +20

[rocky linden]

Yeah I don't care about raids, just m+

I'll find a quick pug to test it out a bit with

[still pagoda]

No more Sphere?
@rocky linden nah, will be running it like this starting from today

[steep bone]

So there's not much difference between 43 and 55corrupt?

tempted to use another IT

[still pagoda]

zero

[amber siren]

major breakpoints are 25, 40, 60 and 80

[steep bone]

okay 2x it here i come

@still pagoda what addon/wa is this to display ur corruptions uve equipped?

[stuck iris]

Is IT 1 x2 more important then vers amps for someone with nothing on vers or IT

[steep bone]

vers amps are important if you're doing high keys

like 22+ or some

[stuck iris]

and IT is imporant on all levels?

Like woudl you play IT 1 x2 and tds?

[steep bone]

that i cannot answer, dunno

[stuck iris]

for lower keys

[steep bone]

i kno that TD for low keys is giga

[stuck iris]

Depends what "low keys" are.

[still pagoda]

@still pagoda what addon/wa is this to display ur corruptions uve equipped?
@steep bone

Corruption Tooltips

[steep bone]

cheers

[ionic fern]

IT is good to have on all key levels.
TD is also good on all key levels.
Vers stacking becomes a thing higher up (23+).

If i had to choose in keys below 20 if to use IT or TD i'd go for TD.

[hallow phoenix]

I use IT as a filler on my TD set

[ionic fern]

Vers i wouldn't even look towards in such key levels.

[stuck iris]

So if i do 20's i should go IT and TDS?

[hallow phoenix]

But agree with mwahi TD > IT in stuff like 20s

[stuck iris]

I already have a lot of tds, its not the problem. should i buy IT now or vers amps

i do 20's

[hallow phoenix]

Buy both :)

[ionic fern]

Yes.
You have to think about it yourself as you go higher.
1)Do you have enough base versatility to pull off vers amps?
2)Do you have enough vers amps ?
3)is the damage intake really big enough to warrant stacking vers?

Etc

[hallow phoenix]

Always good to be prepared

[ionic fern]

Buy the IT if you don't have it.

And then start focusing on vers amps if you see the need.

[feral onyx]

max 40 corruption right?

[ionic fern]

What ever you are comfortable with.

[feral onyx]

39*

[stuck iris]

How much is good vers base?

[feral onyx]

generally

[ionic fern]

Some people also do dungeons with 59 corruption.

If you don't want to mess with TFB then yes 39.

[steady slate]

dumb question here: what's "vers amps"?

[steep bone]

vers% corruption

[trail rune]

in terms of swords from raid, should i go for Wrathion cleansed or Carapace?

[steady slate]

the one the procs from taking damage?

[ionic fern]

No.

The flat %.

[steady slate]

ok

[hallow phoenix]

TFB isn't even the scary part of 59 corruption

[hallow phoenix]

The damn slow is the killer

[ionic fern]

I don't even notice the slow so i don't count that.

😂

[hallow phoenix]

Having it proc at the wrong time can be a death sentence if you're not prepared for worst case scenario

[ionic fern]

@trail rune Carapace since it's higher ilvl.

[trail rune]

so should prio ilvl over stats for weap/shield

[ionic fern]

No argument there Tusks, i've not ran into such cases yet luckily.

My slow RNG is too good.

[orchid frigate]

its not fun either when you get multiple things from beyond

coming running from left and right

[hallow phoenix]

Group hug is my favorite

[robust pulsar]

On the very fist pack of a KR 22, the 4 giants, I got slowed right in the middle of shockwave and couldn't run. Took like a man with SB, LS, IP, DS

[orchid frigate]

if a hunter feigns the thing from beyond, what does he do then?

[hallow phoenix]

Despawns

[orchid frigate]

oh

[hallow phoenix]

Or effectively does

Stops chasing

[orchid frigate]

play with his bellybutton?

[hallow phoenix]

And they can binding, trap, disengage

[orchid frigate]

sweet

[hallow phoenix]

Hunters should never be scared to run 59 imo

[strong forum]

I can also say that the slow hasn't been an issue yet for me

It's only fun screaming that you're zooming

[sick sentinel]

slow kills you almost always in like 25/26s. Happens to me all the time

Can't stand playing over 40 because of it

[strange tide]

It’s never an issue until that one time in 1000 that it’s an issue, then it’s an issue

[sick sentinel]

also very annoying

[mental needle]

can somebody help me out here? is ilevel always king regardsless of stats? which should i equip for mythic 15 dungeons

[strong forum]

The socketed ones

[hallow phoenix]

I've fallen into rezan pit trying to snap saurids because of the slow proc lmao

[strong forum]

[trail rune]

i just fall into the pit

no excuses

[sick sentinel]

You should be in the snap spot before you pull saurids 🤔

out of combat

[strong forum]

Ye was bout to say

[trail rune]

some you cant

or what if you dont have a hunter/rogue

[sick sentinel]

then play with a rogue or hunter

🤔

[hallow phoenix]

Sometimes I don't have a hunter or rogue online

[strong forum]

Also "falling into smth" with that avatar... Salty

[hallow phoenix]

:(

[ionic fern]

I always have to pull them myself since PuG rogues/hunters are ...not the brightest

[honest plinth]

hello just got 475 crit/mastery shield from chest. I'm stacking vers and have 465 crit/vers shield. so hich one i want to equip?

[ionic fern]

🤷

[strong forum]

Ilvl > stats

[lime mantle]

Salty just rams it into the pit.

[strong forum]

😳

[sick sentinel]

never had an issue

and some you pull yourself anyway

[strong forum]

Like almost all saurid packs you can pull without a rogue or hunter

[sick sentinel]

except one pack down near rezan you can pull everything by yourself

[rocky linden]

I feel like "ilvl > stats" is extra true for shields

[hallow phoenix]

One positioned at the start

[strong forum]

It is

Nocendi

[sick sentinel]

for shields always ilvl

always

do we get the proper cdr from ineff now or did blizz changed it for us aswell

not sure didnt test myself

[trail rune]

they didnt change inef

at all

[sick sentinel]

they didn't do anything to it

okey then its fine

[hallow phoenix]

I did carapace with IT4 yesterday and it was hilarious

[sick sentinel]

what was the cd on reflect when it procced?

[hallow phoenix]

Adds sometimes eat spell reflect though :(

Not sure on the actual CD but several times I was able to go without gaining stacks

[trail rune]

its gotta be like 12 secs or lower right

[hallow phoenix]

Had one pull where I didn't get a stack til his 4th slam

[sick sentinel]

should be like 11 seconds

if it's hit right

will be able to buy a socket this reset, have rank 16 vers amps, 2x rank 1 ITs

i wasnt playing the game much farming haste versa gear and echoes

ready for the vendor reset

My baseline is I think 46-50%

vers

it will basically double with conflict major on a decent sized pull

It will ye

average uptime is 80-95% I think

with cns

[hallow phoenix]

Are you using alch trinket ky

[sick sentinel]

yes

took me only like 30 minutes to get it

lol

yeah its cheap might get rid of blacksmith at this point no reason for crafted items anymore

[hallow phoenix]

I'm still using a blacksmithing belt :(

Should try for a better one

[sick sentinel]

ye same

still using bs belt

[hallow phoenix]

I can't drop engi

[sick sentinel]

but i might still prefer vita

https://prnt.sc/t1eawe

i just love the knock way to much

IT covers haste drops

by a large fraction

[hallow phoenix]

Same belt!

[sick sentinel]

I'll have all slots socketed besides 1

I'm slacking

that's an extra 90 vers I could get

[burnt iron]

i got another belt from my cache this morning, thats now 3 weeks in a row with a different belt 😄

[sick sentinel]

well after getting all corruptions you can just echoes tbh

you spend 1750 get 750 back

ye but farming visions 😴

that i agree

[hallow phoenix]

Just spice them up

[sick sentinel]

I use rank 9 TD

[hallow phoenix]

IT9 + ravager

[sick sentinel]

?

ravager lol

good spice

I use heavy pre

[hallow phoenix]

The dream

[sick sentinel]

punish

safeguard

indom

vengeance

indom is giga with TD xd

[hallow phoenix]

Where is ravager

[sick sentinel]

bolster does more damage

[burnt iron]

i'm buying 1x IT atm but is it worth me buying 2x for future? i can't fit more than 1 in atm since my cloak is like 4 weeks behind

[sick sentinel]

what do you mean more hp more damage

yes, it is worth

simple math

huh

[hallow phoenix]

Last stand

Cdr

Bigly

[sick sentinel]

i know 😄

10% more damage vs like 25% more damage

was memeing

[burnt iron]

and should i buy some expedients? only playing prot in usually heroic/first 3 mythic and then m+ mostly m+

[sick sentinel]

what level do you play

[hallow phoenix]

Expedients for arms

[burnt iron]

between 15-19 atm, probably going to push higher in a couple weeks

[sick sentinel]

expedient i tried character feels incredibly smooth but versa better in general but it will need more gearing

making expedient work is easier then versatile

[burnt iron]

i have so many tds just not enough corruption res to use them so atm i'm rocking td4 and 1x IT

will be 68 on cloak after i do mask/nzoth but even then its like another week away from being able to use another IT

or even two weeks actually

[sick sentinel]

i still use TDs if you are pugging i just think its better

way to much damage

even on keys i do with team i still play TDs

[burnt iron]

ye i'm always gona use td tbh, i doubt ill ever be pushing high enough for vers to be better

[sick sentinel]

did a 24 KR

literally was a joke

zul on fort

did negative damage

could of timed a 25/26s

last time i did 24 KR was a month ago i got fucked

cant wait for versatile

that was without three more vers %s

and without IT

I could of tanked it for like another 20/30 seconds

[graceful flume]

guys quick question about azerite, should i use carapace mythic shoulders insteaf of skitra ones and losing 1 heart of darkness/bastion of might?

[sick sentinel]

do you have abyssal or n'zoth helm?

[graceful flume]

i have m+ helm with defeaning and bastion

[sick sentinel]

and personally, I'd never use the mythic shoulders

[graceful flume]

i should find the ilgynoth helm

and i would be fine i think

[sick sentinel]

what's your helm name

[graceful flume]

ah yea the abyssal one lol

[sick sentinel]

Def use skitra

abyssal is bis

skitra is probably if not close to bis

[graceful flume]

but if i find the ilgynoth helm

can i use the carapace shoulder then?

[sick sentinel]

abyssal is better

no

the n'zoth helm and carapace shoulders are buns

losing visage and hod isnt worth the ilvl i think

losing OP

and visage

yeah

hod can be compared to clockwork

it's losing those that suck

not hod

maybe on helmet cause 10 ilvl is worth is higher on helmet

abyssal is def better

but i wont get those last 2 bosses azerites soon so idc

Impassive is huge

and the OP is good too

not having either of those makes it way bad

not bad but

just not the best

[graceful flume]

mh ok then thanks for the info

[sick sentinel]

with my vers build, impassive does like over 11m healing

[graceful flume]

i thougth that mb the +10 could be worth

[sick sentinel]

it does more than my last stand healing overall

with two impassivs

[upper violet]

475 mastery haste IT2 gloves

my current gloves have td3

cant replace

OOF

[sweet summit]

OOF

Ya hate to see it

[sick sentinel]

IT poop anyway

rank 2

[upper violet]

ye

[orchid frigate]

love the feeling when you save gift on rexxar and none of his adds procs it, not even himself. but then the figment that spawns does right before you totem out

[amber siren]

[steep bone]

love the feeling when you save gift on rexxar and none of his adds procs it, not even himself. but then the figment that spawns does right before you totem out
@orchid frigate happened to me on thrall instead

[stone beacon]

hi fellow warriors

just a quick question : should i go for Ineffable Truth I or Expedient III

and thanks

[strong forum]

IT1

But you can check the pins for a more in depth explanation to understand whats what

[stone beacon]

Much appreciated thanks

[sick sentinel]

i went to the RIO weekly route site, and every damn dungeon description starts with "your group can wipe to..." "watch out for this mob that can 1 shot people"

and it doesn't fill me with great confidence lol

[sweet summit]

Oneshots dont happen before like 19s, and you can easily outplay them

[flat helm]

Is it ilvl above all else for selecting gear?

[strong forum]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

Ye

[strong forum]

Ilvl > haste

Is the rule of thumb

[sick sentinel]

Haste gud

Make you cast FAST

[flat helm]

so 475 haste mastery wrist over 465 crit hast inef r2 😦 wrist?

[sick sentinel]

Inef 2 isn’t great, if you can replace it with two IT1 off vendor

[flat helm]

so 475 wrist?

[sick sentinel]

Ye

[still pagoda]

Make you cast FAST
@sick sentinel

Attacc*

[stiff oracle]

Mount has castbar

Duh

[upper violet]

truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue

[strong forum]

Yeah that's not hasted.

[stiff oracle]

No fun allowed here alright alright

[still pagoda]

Mount has castbar
@stiff oracle

I have 2 castbars

[last mason]

Finally bought a 475 shield

[still pagoda]

1-2 +19's before going for my +20 ToS

[last mason]

600k, having buyers remorse ugh

[orchid frigate]

gl karton

[strong forum]

I wouldn't run lucid in JY

Cns stops so many mechanics in there

And there's hardly pulls big enough for lucid to do anything

1 maybe 2

[opal shale]

hey guys, I main prot and im working on ranking my cloak up. are horrific visions difficult in prot or should I keep running them in fury?

im about 10ilvls higher in prot

[strong forum]

Whatever you're more comfortable playing as

Doesn't really make a difference

[still pagoda]

I wouldn't run lucid in JY
@strong forum

It's a WS

[strong forum]

Ah

[still pagoda]

and it's only a +19

[strong forum]

I mean still, can prevent your pepega dps from being run over from slime wave or run n gun

[still pagoda]

anyway healer was shit and wiped the group on first boss

so i've gone on and found another pug group

[upper violet]

that is the life

[dapper fjord]

If blizzard wanna kill their game so much, they should probably put IP and SB on GCD as well.

[still pagoda]

they were on GCD once

IP was before 8.1

[sweet summit]

IP was on

[upper violet]

monkaW

[still pagoda]

and SB during alpha/beta cycle

[sweet summit]

SB was not

[still pagoda]

they removed it from GCD in early beta

[dapper fjord]

IP was on

[strong forum]

SB was during beta for like a week

[still pagoda]

so it is not really relevant to current patchg

^^

when they have only introduced these changes

[strong forum]

Ya blizz really likes to stop having fun, every spec will soon be locked to 30 apm

And go back to classic rotation to accommodate for controller players.

[upper violet]

perfect for my plan to play wow with footpedals

[still pagoda]

wtf is with people

i see healers who can't outheal first boss in +19WS

[upper violet]

Bad

Is it healer fault or dps standing in shit

[still pagoda]

and also idiots who stand in melee range of gnomercy

[loud shoal]

well melee range is fine as long as you're behind it

[still pagoda]

yes

but they did stay in front of it

and took all of the damage

[last mason]

The worst is when people who are being targeted by flame jets run around the boss, or take a warlock gate so that gnomercy does a pirouette and one shots me

[upper violet]

Got cns r3

[sweet summit]

[orchid frigate]

hmm wife needs BoE, whens next pvp week with ai?

[sweet summit]

idk but BG week was 2 weeks ago

[orchid frigate]

comp stomp?

[sweet summit]

no

[rose orbit]

guys, CH > HoD or?

[still pagoda]

equal

[strong forum]

Hod wins defensively

CwH wins offensively

[rose orbit]

gotcha, thanks all

[strong forum]

But because hod has IV and OP on its piece

[sullen valve]

Anyone else wanna flame mwahi with me

[still pagoda]

what happened that he deserves this?

[sullen valve]

Does something need to happen for that?

[still pagoda]

[feral onyx]

do u use shield b lock on cd ?

[sweet summit]

you keep it up as long as youre taking blockable damage

[steady slate]

is there a cheat sheet for the acronyms in the pins?

[sweet summit]

nop, just ask :p
i think there is one in the IV or WH guide

icy veins/wowhead

[steady slate]

thanks

[astral crest]

jo

should i remove my rank3 surging vitality on my 470 tanking mace for my new boots 470 with TDr3?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[astral crest]

just way better?

m+ and raid wise?

the 801 vers for 20sec is neglible ?

negligible*

[warm plinth]

It’s better damage, yes. By a lot.

[astral crest]

cool thx

cheers

[lilac minnow]

what general corruptions are people aiming for to do mythic raid progress? We've just reached ilgy and my corruptions are all over due to bad luck with drops/having mostly bought for m+ so far.

[sweet summit]

TD

literally just TD

[lilac minnow]

no vers/ineffible/expedients for raid fights?

[sweet summit]

imean they are still good fillers

vers is out of the picture for raiding, damage intake is a joke

[lilac minnow]

ok, ty

[upper violet]

[last mason]

why are people running alch trink

[sweet summit]

vers

and its not bad on its own either

[upper violet]

big stat proc

[chilly brook]

@last mason I run it on my monk cuz vers is nice for the class but more importantly it sims highest for me and I eat health pots like they're candy

But typically theres 3 reasons people would run it: 1) vers stacking 2) it sims highest or it's what they have 3) they want the added benefit for health pots

[strong forum]

i have too many options now

someone send help

[upper violet]

yeah so basically

just use good items

[strong forum]

i have too many options

got this

[upper violet]

just equip the good ones

[strong forum]

literally have to do a 7 billion IQ decision here

i have 2x IT1 and TD3 sitting in bags

[upper violet]

u got this from weekly

fak u

AAAAA

why i get shitty items

im kinda tiltled ngl

[strong forum]

its the 3rd good item in all of 8.3 for me

from weekly chest

shush

[loud shoal]

I got jes howler trinket

[strong forum]

oh i now have haste vers in every slot

[loud shoal]

samzies

[upper violet]

big

[strong forum]

still only 25%

[loud shoal]

excpet for cara weapon

[strong forum]

okay 28%

[loud shoal]

and cara gloves actually

although I could

does a socket of vers count?

😄

[strong forum]

yes

[loud shoal]

I need 5 more sockets for my prot set and 1 more for arms =X

[viscid island]

any tips and tricks for solo 5 mask run ?

[strong forum]

equip TD, max ST dmg with essences

[upper violet]

CoF major good

[viscid island]

I have only one TD but rank 3

[sweet summit]

thats good

[upper violet]

yeah true

[warm plinth]

TD just makes it easier. You can do it without but I've 5 masked Stormwind on my war with just TD2 so you can do it with TD3

[still pagoda]

kek

i'm getting benched for first 3 bosses due to them trialing some random warr with 2/12HC(N'zoth and cara. Probably boosted)

i don't need anything from them

but this may end up a wipe fest while i'm gonna sit here, drink tea and do M+

[honest lantern]

Prot Warrior here. I breezed through 3 mask yesterday with just absolutely zero issues. I didn’t need to use a single orb - it was honestly a joke.

....then failed a 5 mask run halfway through. I was a little sloppy but honestly my DPS just isn’t cutting it. I feel like it takes forever to kill anything with all 5 masks.
Working on updating my essences to rank 3 for some damage specs and I guess running Crucible of Flame as major next time I try 5 mask? For sure I need TD - I don’t have any 😫 but can’t buy for a couple of weeks - saving my echoes.
Would appreciate any other 5 mask tips though!

[still pagoda]

sure

just run as much TD as you can and use CoF major

and be a bit careful

and you'll be fine

[honest lantern]

Gotcha - fair enough. Can’t wait for TD2 and 3 to be on market - planning on buying one of each. I should have more 475 gear by then. I picked up two IT1s.

[still pagoda]

it's M0 level of difficulty

[honest lantern]

M0?

[still pagoda]

weeky chest is as generous as it can be

Mythic Zero

basically your usual mythic dungeons

[honest lantern]

Oh man that’s awesome from weekly chest - freaking grats.

Ah gotcha.

[still pagoda]

i already had TD5 setup and 475 maut pants

this is just a good piece to round it out a bit better

[wanton elk]

is there any reason to play double IT1 or is one enough?

[still pagoda]

yes

CD's, TC and SR

2xIT1 is great

[honest lantern]

I also realize I need to start raiding. Just returned from 10 year break maybe 3 months ago. Maining Warrior (460 I lvl) after trying out DH (469 ilevel). Gotta start raiding to catch up on corruption bc my corruption resistance sucks and just doing visions isn’t enough to catch up I guess.

[wanton elk]

i'm hesitating between that or haste corruption

[still pagoda]

don't

just buy IT1

1-2

and slap on

[wanton elk]

alright, second IT1

[still pagoda]

it's a great filler

[honest lantern]

My understanding is IT1 x2 and then just stack TD for Prot spec.
Then down road if I offspec arms and have spare echoes maybe add in expedient....but my understanding is expedient not worth it on Prot.

[feral onyx]

hmm, the mitigation for big hits like the one on rezan its ignore pain x 2 or 3 that is the mitigation to use?

[viscid island]

Done, ty for supp

[loud shoal]

yea unless you're pushing 25+ keys that's the play @honest lantern

[still pagoda]

hmm, the mitigation for big hits like the one on rezan its ignore pain x 2 or 3 that is the mitigation to use?
@feral onyx

SW right away

IP is literally a rage dump that is nowhere a mitigation

damage smoother

[toxic talon]

hey guys, quick question, new to warrior, and trying to figure out if there's a set of corruptions that works first as best for Prot in M+ and is ideally good/ok for either Fury or Arms...

So far it seems 2x Ineffable Truth 1 + as many as Versatile 3 as I can cram.... question is... is that ok for any DPS build ? or is that just not possible?

[viscid island]

nah

no versa :/

[still pagoda]

hey guys, quick question, new to warrior, and trying to figure out if there's a set of corruptions that works first as best for Prot in M+ and is ideally good/ok for either Fury or Arms...

So far it seems 2x Ineffable Truth 1 + as many as Versatile 3 as I can cram.... question is... is that ok for any DPS build ? or is that just not possible?
@toxic talon

Which level of keys?

better off

[sick sentinel]

damn

had a TD crit for 442k

[viscid island]

540k crit

[toxic talon]

@toxic talon

Which level of keys?
@still pagoda ah! thank you let me read the pins first

[old adder]

485 weapon or 475 with vers when stacking versatile?

[sweet summit]

ilvl

[viscid island]

on items that you won't exchange

[still pagoda]

540k crit
@viscid island @sick sentinel Weak

700k critz baby

[strong forum]

900k or bust

smh

[still pagoda]

it was with TD4

i can go much higher with TD5

[strong forum]

see thats where you went wrong

[still pagoda]

i'm on a bench rn

[viscid island]

I have TD3

[still pagoda]

though i would want to go get HC N'zoth for 3 res and get TD5+2xIT1 setup

[strong forum]

you mean this? https://i.imgur.com/ehrV4Q3.png

[still pagoda]

this new trial just got oneshot from wrathion's tank stack

[strong forum]

im actually mad btw

this makes me very mad

[still pagoda]

i mean this

[viscid island]

wut

[strong forum]

40 corruption

[still pagoda]

^

[strong forum]

i misscalced by 1 corruption

[still pagoda]

shit happens

:D

[sick sentinel]

i only td3 scrub

sorry

td2 + 1

[strong forum]

i posted TD5 above that :p

[grand drum]

you guys were posting TD crits?

[strong forum]

thats TD5 + LS + RC + Stam buff crit

[grand drum]

no stam

[viscid island]

LOL 1M XD

[strong forum]

why would you play without stam buff ?!

[still pagoda]

they're changing this new "trial" for Hivemind

dunno how he did

gonna ask later

but seems like shit judging by his gear and having only Cara and N'Zoth

HC

and nothing else

[daring marten]

Hi guys, new on this server so I dont know if there is a channel for questions or not.. So i got the waycrest manor weapon (475) from my weekly chest, but also have the atal dazar weapon 465, which should i use?

[sweet summit]

the highest ilvl one

yes the dot is strong, and no the secondaries are not better

[still pagoda]

secondaries are abysmal on weapons and shields

[daring marten]

So just go with ilvl right? Even though 475 doesnt have any secondaries

[still pagoda]

So just go with ilvl right? Even though 475 doesnt have any secondaries
@daring marten

Yes

[daring marten]

Ok, thanks a lot

[still pagoda]

second night on Raden

maybe it will be a kill

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern what do you think about the ravager buff on alpha? is it bis? thanks for answering

[undone sun]

🚪 👈

[still pagoda]

INEFFABLE RAVAGER

my co-tank just lost 300k gold in gambling

[sick sentinel]

That’s cute

I once lost 2.5 mil on a single roll

[still pagoda]

on breaks our raid turns into a casino

:D

[sick sentinel]

As does every reputable raid

[still pagoda]

they have started death rolling

[brazen jetty]

So, i have 375 Humming and 360 Vita Charged... whats better?

[still pagoda]

use both of those

vita is insane

[brazen jetty]

have 470 lingering psychicaswell 😛

[still pagoda]

LPS is not really needed

for prog on last 3 bosses it is

and in keys higher than +23

but in everything lower? Nah

[icy harness]

would you say

this was a lucky roll?

i random rolled an azerite for my fury

ended up being bad

[still pagoda]

@icy harness that's a good piece if you don't have any other

it has both good traits

though now you don't need more of Deafening Clash

[icy harness]

I only have that 1 piece for sure

nzoth helmet for that

and the only shoulders I have would be skitra ones

how bad is that?

[still pagoda]

that's really good

[icy harness]

if i got the 480 skitra piece

would you say I could tank maybe, 18s?

[still pagoda]

bruh

20's

and higher

[icy harness]

that is lovely

thank you

[still pagoda]

like

i'm using this in my current venture into 20's

[icy harness]

meticulous?

is it any good?

Also what is that character screen addon

The stats rather

They look quite clean

[still pagoda]

DejaCharacterStats

[icy harness]

Ah

[still pagoda]

out of all fillers, MS, CwH and HoD are the best

[icy harness]

I've got the same but it's split into categories

[still pagoda]

just click the lock button above

[icy harness]

oh I did it

thank you

[cursive hedge]

What's a fair price for the mythic BoE shield?

[still pagoda]

Wipe #28 - 40.6%. This shit will die today, i guarantee this

we still have 1 hour and 16 minutes without extension

[stiff oracle]

What shit

[icy harness]

I sold my mythic boe shield for 400k

it had versatile 3 too

@cursive hedge

[still pagoda]

Wipe #31 - 18.1%

[icy harness]

WIPE

[still pagoda]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9bLpthgXwqdfvKQm#fight=32&type=damage-done

Casually wiping on prog

[sweet summit]

@still pagoda ra-den?

[still pagoda]

yes

fuck that bitch

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

kek

KILL THAT MOTHERFUCKER NEVER LET HIM BREATHE AGAIN

[sweet summit]

1v1 speedkill

[still pagoda]

it's a prog

so nah

btw

SMF made its return on alpha

[sweet summit]

yea

im not a fan

cba

[still pagoda]

my gear whore senses are tingling

[cursive burrow]

Incoming crying about gladiator stance.

[still pagoda]

GET US GLAD STANCE BLYAT

[sweet summit]

idk what glad stance is so 🤷‍♀️

[still pagoda]

the ultimate meme

[cursive burrow]

It failed the first time. It was trash.

[still pagoda]

idk what glad stance is so 🤷‍♀️
@sweet summit

It was a L100 talent in Draenor

that turned prot into DPS

[sweet summit]

didnt play :(

[cursive hedge]

oh man, i remember gladiator

[warm plinth]

We're already DPS

[cursive hedge]

i mained it for a while

[warm plinth]

Stances in general are shit feeling imo. They were one of the main reasons I never got into warrior back in the day.

[sturdy dome]

What is the lucid major rotation?

I wanna get better at using it

[warm plinth]

Same as your normal one; you just press Ignore Pain more

[sturdy dome]

Lucid major minor vop/SOTW/cns?

[still pagoda]

@sweet summit

[sweet summit]

same

POG

[still pagoda]

33 pulls

[sweet summit]

1 pull

[still pagoda]

yours is a reclear

[sweet summit]

grats

[still pagoda]

void shard and pants

fuck

no vita

hunters got all vitas

Guess it's Ilgy this Sunday

[strong forum]

glad stance was mainly just a pvp thing

tbh

[still pagoda]

though some memeers used it in pve

not me since i didn't raid in WoD

[wooden radish]

@ionic fern's cat has tested on alpha

[sweet summit]

how good

bis yeah?

[ionic fern]

1 cast

[wooden radish]

3 casts ok

[tame garden]

👨‍🌾

[wooden radish]

you have the log for 2

[ionic fern]

😂

[faint wing]

Seen more people running conflict major over lucid for m+, does it become better once you have enough versatile?

[warm plinth]

It's used for very very very high keys because you need the extra vers to keep your damage intake consistent.

[faint wing]

So 19-21 range probably just better off sticking lucid then?

[tame garden]

Root on clap is very useful in some dungeons

[warm plinth]

And if you're seeing a lot of people doing it, it's probably because they saw x famous streamer doing it and decided to emulate them whether they actually needed to or not.

Yeah, the root helps too at that level

[livid sail]

Where will play a inni with a 71 warrio

[faint wing]

Yea I usually use it for the start of td but go back and switch to lucid after, sometimes siege

Yea I really enjoy the root which is why I was kinda curious how competitive it was

[arctic python]

What is more important for keys aroudn 15-18? Is it stacking vers gear, or just pure ilvl?

[ionic fern]

@sweet summit 60 rage every 45 seconds with Ravager.

[sweet summit]

oh thats kinda poor
and the damage is still wack?

[pallid berry]

damage is kinda good

[ionic fern]

I mean..that's not bad at all tbh.

[sweet summit]

pog?

[still pagoda]

INEFFABLE RAVAGER

[sweet summit]

might be cool to play around with

but HR is still far superior defensively i guess :(

[ionic fern]

Definitely.

For blockable damage atleast.

👀

[pallid berry]

wait, maybe actual changes per boss to our talents????

that exists?? thought it was only a myth

[sweet summit]

@ionic fern how is HR offensively tho? more SS damage even with LS
and is ravager aoe capped too?

[ionic fern]

8 targets.

[still pagoda]

Ilgy this sunday

[pallid berry]

Yoooo I got Ilyg tomorrow

Hope ya get it down

[warm plinth]

You got him down Karton?

[mortal brook]

nice

[upper violet]

why ur name is carton

karton

its like

boxes

[still pagoda]

cardboard as a material

can someone link their prog logs from Ilgy?

i'm wondering how much vers people were running to disprove words of my RL

[upper violet]

yes thats what i mean

[sweet summit]

like 4 vers

[upper violet]

i forgot the english name

[sweet summit]

and nzoth trinket

[still pagoda]

since he thinks i'm poor on stats

probably just not versed in tanks

[sweet summit]

tell him I said that

[still pagoda]

which is true... At least i hope so

we've got one new "trial" who has almost entirely vers/mastery gear for no reason

and he died on every boss of first 3 that he tanked

[sweet summit]

might be his highest ilvl items, who knows 👀

[upper violet]

idk its kinda weird

maybe he super unluck

[still pagoda]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Beavzw

maybe...

dunno

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

btw, he could take BBI instead of callous dogshit

[sweet summit]

[upper violet]

uhhhh

[strong forum]

thats a trial?

[upper violet]

do i put IT on 470 socketed haste/versa wep

[strong forum]

are you sure thats not a troll?

[upper violet]

unlikely to replace tbh

[sweet summit]

@strong forum what item do i put my 2nd ineff on

[strong forum]

dude literally hit 120 yesterday

link gear

[still pagoda]

are you sure thats not a troll?
@strong forum

GM wrote to me a bit before the raid time with words that "for the stability of the roster and the longevity of the guild we have taken in an additional tank that we would like to trial on first 3 bosses + potentially hivemind"

result

[strong forum]

he is literally 1 week old

[still pagoda]

he died on every single pull

[strong forum]

idk how thats a trial

[sweet summit]

thinking carapace weap if it ever drops
got it on shield already
(vers set btw)

[still pagoda]

i don't know myself

seriously

[strong forum]

wrists and socket them

thats what i did rosjen

[sweet summit]

sounds good

[sweet summit]

cheers

[still pagoda]

how this random guy who just got out of the gear dumpster can be even considered a trial

[mental needle]

how good is the ashvane trinket? because im in eternal palace raid and i play fury as well and could also use the dmg trinket for single target.. any advice which lootspec to choose?

[strong forum]

urchin is not used

only for memes

[sweet summit]

coral is better for fury/arms than urchin is for us

so yeah

[upper violet]

big dopamine on god

[strong forum]

grats

[upper violet]

AAAAAAAAA finally

[sweet summit]

AAAAAAAAAAA

[still pagoda]

@strong forum

Seriously, i don't understand how they could pick up this guy

[strong forum]

it has to be a friend of GM

or GF

or some other bullshit reason

[still pagoda]

probably. Such garbo doesn't appear out of the air

[steep bone]

@strong forum what font do you use for elvui?

[strong forum]

uuuuh

[steep bone]

waait how is sans narrow looking so cool on your screens

[strong forum]

cuz im cool 😎

[steep bone]

[still pagoda]

it has to be a friend of GM
@strong forum

Another thing is that this warr was invited to the guild 1 hour before the raid

[steep bone]

@still pagoda that war looks like a troll

[still pagoda]

or someone's "friend"

[steep bone]

i used to raid in guild where GM had a wife and we literally progressed mythic as 19 man

[still pagoda]

kek

[steep bone]

if that other war is so potato maybe ill apply to ur guild then

[still pagoda]

if they will try benching me for that warr who doesn't even know how to play, then i'll just leave since i have exp now

to go higher

[steep bone]

tbh

you're gonna be called as guild hopper

[upper violet]

5head move

yeah might be true

[still pagoda]

you know. Getting benched due to someone's friend wanting to tank and doing shit is not my choice

definitely not my choice