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sand relic
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or is strife better

left hatch
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CnS major is only for omega high keys if you have a bunch of versa amps

sand relic
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which i dont have

left hatch
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can look into using lucid tho if you'e like doing like 20+'s

sand relic
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so i should stay using vision with warden strife and aegis minor ?

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and lucid ?

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only +15s for now

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im only 460

left hatch
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VoP

sand relic
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vop with what else again

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lucid. warden. strife ?

left hatch
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CnS, Lucid, Sphere/Warden

sand relic
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warden or spehere better ?

left hatch
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if you need resistance warden

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if not, sphere

warm plinth
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Depends if you need the corruption resist mostly

sand relic
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well im only 460 and cant really afford corruption yet but my weekly chest is giving me free corruption

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and i need to waste my echoes on essences first

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i think

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is aegis not good for warriors for a minor ?

left hatch
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by 'need' resistance we mean would it knock you below a threshold

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like running it lets you g et below 40

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and it can be very strong, but if you're not in combat with 6+ targets its not as good as other choices

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so if yo'ure not used to chain pulling... or pulling mobs with boss fights

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its a dead pick for a good chunk of the key

sand relic
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so vision lucid warden cns

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if i wanna use sphere or null which do i replace

left hatch
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lucid

sand relic
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replace lucid for null

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as a minor

left hatch
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i wouldn't for null

sand relic
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on workshop n shrine

left hatch
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workshop maybe

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but shrine still like... 70+% of it is physical

sand relic
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wait so i shouldnt use null at all

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lucid is better ?

left hatch
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you can on workshop for the dps gain on bosses

warm plinth
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And the other 30% is magic that should mostly be avoided by kicks/CC

left hatch
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only other place id really consider it is really high tyranical ML or high fort KR

sand relic
left hatch
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go grab r1 sphere from the quest

sand relic
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im gonna get vision rank 3 right now soon as i do a motherload

left hatch
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to use in place of CoF when you don't need resistance

sand relic
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i mean workshop

left hatch
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and yo'ure good to go

sand relic
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i have enough echoes to buy 2 more so which 2 should i buy now n what should i repace

left hatch
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is your CnS r3?

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can't tell by the screenshot ):

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if your CnS isn't r3, pick up that and save the rest of your echoes imo

sand relic
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ya rank 3

left hatch
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you'll get r3 warden natuarlly as you upgrade your cloak

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and r1 sphere is all you need and is pretty quick and easy

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so you can just stash your echoes for good corruptions

sand relic
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how u get rank 1 spehere again

left hatch
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1 pvp island, 1 bg, 1 ebg

sand relic
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i gotta use soemthing to replace my crucible of flame right

left hatch
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ig throw on warden

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in the meantime

sand relic
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so dont spend any echoes i have 8k echoes this is n alt

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dont really wanna do bgs n shit

left hatch
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then buy sphere

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and save the rest

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IT 1 will hopefully be in the store on reset

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and picking up 2 of those is huge value

sand relic
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is there and coprruption worth buying this week

left hatch
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nah, IT1 would be good but they jacked up its price to cost 1750 more than it should

dark lark
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Would you guys say there's an "optimized" place to put corruptions on slots? I'm thinking of putting ineffable1 on slots I would never change like weapon/shield. Thoughts?

still pagoda
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TD3 on shield

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That's it

dark lark
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I don't need more TDs xd

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but i get your point

sullen hinge
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Hi guys. i understand that around mythic 10-15 TD is the best corruption. for higher mythic pple are stacking vers now. May i know would my survivability increase if i stack vers for Mythic 12-15? i dun care about the my dps. ill leave dps to the dps. would it work? or TD is still needed?

sick sentinel
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You do not need the survivability of versatility in a 12-15

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If you do you are likely playing with mistakes and that will probably come back to bite you if you get any higher

still pagoda
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^

sullen hinge
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ahh.

sick sentinel
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what key do you all bind your SB to generally?

sullen hinge
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i use 5

dark lark
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4

sullen hinge
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You do not need the survivability of versatility in a 12-15
@sick sentinel thanks

dark lark
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1- shield slam, 2- tclap, 3 ignore pain, 4 shieldblock, 5 dev, 6 revenge

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shift 1 demo, shift 2 avatar, shift 3 last stand, shift 4 shield wall

sick sentinel
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i had IP on Q and SB on E figured both are off GCD so makes sense, nope

dark lark
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thats just me, anyway

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E is stun and R is interrupt across all my toons

sullen hinge
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e? how u side step?

dark lark
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i rebound strafe to A and D

last mason
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how many runs it take you guys to get bulwark

sullen hinge
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ahhhh.

sick sentinel
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i got 1 SS 2 TC, 3 DV, 4 charge, 5 DS 6 SW

sullen hinge
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seems like a good choice

sick sentinel
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as my main buttons

dark lark
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@sullen hinge if you play fps' like counterstrike or overwatch, it makes sense

still pagoda
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C is my usual keybind for every active mitigation ability ala SB/SotR

sick sentinel
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F is interupt for me but E makes sense too

sullen hinge
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@sullen hinge if you play fps' like counterstrike or overwatch, it makes sense
@dark lark i dun play them haha. but now u mention. it really make sense. i can use my mouse to move the camera

dark lark
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3 and 4 are my active mitigations for all my tanks. deathstrike/marrowrend, soulcleave/demonspikes, purify/ironskin, frenzied/ironfur

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so i dont really have to think when i switch toons

still pagoda
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Just seen one random say that "TD is bad on bolstering and in general" in MW chat on PoS greenbear

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And pointed at giga high keys greenbear

dark lark
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imagine bringing a MW to high keys

sullen hinge
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i just wanna get the keymaster haha. so im just aiming for 15

still pagoda
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imagine bringing a MW to high keys
@dark lark they're pretty good IMO

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The talk was about tanks and TD

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This guy is clueless IMO

dark lark
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yeah but if a MW is complaining about TD in lower keys

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he's probably not going to be doing high keys himself

still pagoda
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Ye

sick sentinel
still pagoda
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"all tanks in higher keys don't run TD"

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That's because they need to survive fucking oneshots

dark lark
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"sure but your 15 isn't a "higher key'"

sick sentinel
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this is what i got for keybinds, they are probably dogshit

dark lark
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I would rebind intercept off of 4

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and put something you use more frequently on it

still pagoda
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Nah

dark lark
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just my 2c

still pagoda
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Intercept on 4 is fine

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Mine is on R

dark lark
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my school of thought is 1-6 should be your most frequently used

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that's all

grand drum
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i would unbind everything and click all your buttons

dark lark
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but in the end it's a personal comfort thing

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@grand drum alpha

sick sentinel
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so, i need to put SB and IP on 1-6 somewhere?

grand drum
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put it on whatever is comfortable for you

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i have my SB on shift-1

dark lark
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Just somewhere that's easy to reach and you won't regularly fat finger

sick sentinel
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they are on Q and E right now, and it is not comfortable

dark lark
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in games like overwatch, league, and dota, q is the ultimate button and are designed to not be mashed on accident :p

sick sentinel
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i'm an old school doom player and RTS, but the character turning still gets me to this day.

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1 SS, 2 TC, 3 revenge, 4 deva, 5 SB, 6 intercept F IP

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Ez clap

dark lark
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for RTS, what was your favorite hotkey for your army

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or your command center

sick sentinel
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ctrl f1 and f1 because make a billion tanks and win

dark lark
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...jesus

sick sentinel
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well, that is how you win C&C to be fair. I'm playing it atm as well.

dark lark
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Haha that's fair

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Again, just put it somewhere easy to reach

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That's the bottom line

still pagoda
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ctrl-1 CC's, ctrl-2 construction buildings, ctrl-3 siege tanks split off, F1 whole army

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SC2 gang

dark lark
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Queen's 4

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Hatcheries 5

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Main army 1

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Zergling flankers 2 LOL

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3 casters

old musk
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Hey guys, what does mastery do for prot wars? as in why is bastion of might so good?

dark lark
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Ez game

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Increases damage and increases critical block

still pagoda
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Mastery gives you the critical block

old musk
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increases block amount or block chance?

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or both..?

royal rune
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what key level do you start stacking verse?

dark lark
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Amount

mortal brook
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25+

old musk
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so i should be shield blocking during avatar to take advantage of that?

still pagoda
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Crit blocks are "doubled" blocks(not really since they're getting capped out)

increases block amount or block chance?
@old musk

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Mastery increases chance of critical block

dark lark
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You should be always shield blocking when tanking

old musk
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SB should be kept on cd bascially then

dark lark
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If not then you need to kite

still pagoda
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kite

old musk
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kept on cd

still pagoda
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SB>SB>SB>LS>SB>SB

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And then continue the loop

old musk
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do u just weave Ignore pain in the middle?

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if u have extra rage?

still pagoda
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IP is a rage dump

dark lark
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If you have extra rage yes, to avoid capping

old musk
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i see......

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is block sort of like dodge? its just a chance to reduce dmg of a attack?

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so if i dont sb i can still block stuff........but sb just make it 100%?

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im trying to understand why i get 1 shot often by samrek and the fear guy

dark lark
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Samrehk is the fear guy

old musk
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oh

dark lark
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You might be dying to the bleeds

old musk
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the breaker of heros guy

dark lark
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Yeah he trucks

old musk
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i assume i also need to face the thing im tanking to block

dark lark
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Spirit breaker doubles all incoming damage

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Yeah

still pagoda
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Yeah he trucks
@dark lark he doesn't really

old musk
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i cant block behind me..

still pagoda
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Just block

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And use CDs if you really need so

icy harness
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I saw speg

dark lark
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Block reduces damage, shield block makes you block 100%

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@still pagoda maybe not for experienced tanks but I can see why he's having trouble

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If you're being feared by the fear guy you take full damage since you can't mitigate

still pagoda
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I have facetanked tankbuster with no SW up in +21 today

dark lark
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And you need to tell your healer

still pagoda
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It is really fine and gets better as you get more experienced

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šŸ‘

dark lark
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Yeah I don't shield wall him

still pagoda
dark lark
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I'm just telling @old musk if he doesn't shield block then yeah he trucks

still pagoda
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Seriously, not using TD is inting as fuck since the main problem of bolstering lies purely on DPS

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And with no TD you will lose threat to good DPS 24/7

dark lark
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Yeah no tank worth his salt is going to listen to that lol

still pagoda
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His is continuing

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It's 5AM here so I can't laugh rn

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implying DPS specs when the talk is about tanks

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Honestly, sometimes i see a lot of people like this

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Not understanding what they're talking about

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I think Robin explained it in a really good way why you still want TD in higher keys

dark lark
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robin was using TD until versatile came out but was complaining about getting trucked in his 25s

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but the majority of the player base is not doing 25s+

still pagoda
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Yeah

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Exactly

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Vers is literally a oneshot preventing mechanism in giga high keys

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This guy is still typing šŸ˜‚

sullen hinge
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unless u have ur back against the boss. i dun see how we can get 1 shot in mythic 12-15

still pagoda
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^

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Even in +20

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Someone, stop him

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He's getting worse and worse and continuing his delve deeper into Ad Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc

dark lark
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i mean, in lower keys

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a TD5 will one shot the final bolstered mob anyway

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so it's moot

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r/iamverysmart material

main vault
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Itā€™s so bad people run it in almost all keys

sick sentinel
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I think he is angry

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realistically speaking though, how many TD do i want, before i start getting other stuff

outer laurel
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Hi guys, i have a prot warrior alt I've been using for a few weeks now and I need some help deciding which direction I should take it. Basically my question is: haste or versatility? I was hard on getting as much haste as I can but now checking the top prot warriors they are all running vers and im confused. Which one would you pick for the 15-21 range?

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I have 2x TD2 on good pieces so that's also an option

primal dune
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Haste

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Survive with proper play of defensives

oblique garnet
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Haste~vers are both good

primal dune
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But with rank 4 TD, more haste is more damage

oblique garnet
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@still pagoda td is kinda bad on bolstering ngl

wispy tulip
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hey guys ... im brand new to tanking in general ... was wondering if anyone had some resources to help out with M+ tanking ... like routes and stuff

primal dune
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Weekly route from RIO

wispy tulip
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thanks

primal dune
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Also some notes in pinned

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Then read through the entire icy veins

wispy tulip
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appreciate the help mate

tribal adder
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I like to use Dratnos guides for m+ since he is pretty quick with updating them and just generally like his routes

oblique garnet
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Dratnos routes are sometimes very questionable and not so easy to pull off so i wouldnt recommend them to a beginner tank

primal dune
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With any on death affix, half the pulls

exotic spoke
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I agree with Lates statement

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I think thereā€™s something to be gained by going over the route yourself and evaluating / changing it to get a better understanding of it too

primal dune
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Try to mimic it in a normal run first

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Especially with messy maps like ML and shrine

exotic spoke
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I honestly wouldnā€™t recommend that

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Normal is a joke. Mimicking it on normal is a waste of time.

primal dune
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Point is to find the correct add placement

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I ran through ML in normal first because theyā€™re placed all over the place and some pulls I didnā€™t even know existed

exotic spoke
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My point is that doing pulls in a difficulty which poses zero threat is not a valid way to determine/ evaluate pulls

It would be better to critically evaluate pulls by hand, looking up abilities if you donā€™t know them, so that you are making a conscious decision about why youā€™re pulling or not pulling something

primal dune
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MDT also has some incorrect pack info, where pulling one add does not pull the pack

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Weā€™re talking about a complete beginner, not an intermediate tank that already has some experience

exotic spoke
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I understand, which is why I said evaluating mob information if necessary.

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And also, i think that most, if not all, will have some semblance of knowledge about mob mechanics already

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But saying do something on normal to test it for a mythic plus is poor advice imo

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Because there is no urgency. There is no threat. You miss a kick and youā€™re fine. You miss a fear / stun / pull to much and itā€™s not a big deal

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Itā€™s setting them up for failure

primal dune
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Iā€™m saying do it to learn the route

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If you donā€™t know what to pull to begin with

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Everything else is pointless

exotic spoke
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And Iā€™m sayi that it doesnā€™t matter what you pull in a normal. How do you learn / select a route when you donā€™t know whatā€™s dangerous

primal dune
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The mans not going to jump into a 20 key and get his ass obliterated

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Heā€™ll work his way up, and slowly learn the consequences

exotic spoke
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Difficulty is subjective.

For people just starting a 10 is hard. A 15 is impossible.

Trying something on normal is a waste of time to evaluate its threat and whatā€™s a viable option

primal dune
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When did I say do normal to evaluate its threat

exotic spoke
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How else are you supposed to design / pick a route if youā€™re not evaluating threat?

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Iā€™ve been saying that since I countered your first suggestion

primal dune
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Heā€™s at a level where he can just follow Dratnos route

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He doesnā€™t need to design his own yet

exotic spoke
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Please see Lates come by earlier

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And I also said I suggest making your own

primal dune
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Thereā€™s no experience to substantiate that

exotic spoke
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To substantiate what?

primal dune
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Making their own route

exotic spoke
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Making his own? Trial and error is a better teacher

primal dune
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Exactly

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And you need a route to trial and error

exotic spoke
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Right

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So donā€™t go to ducking normal

primal dune
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You go to normal

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To replicate the route

exotic spoke
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Except normal is worthless

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Youā€™re a broken record thatā€™s not offering much other than repeating what you keep saying (and in my opinion is a waste of time to do and only hinders player development)

primal dune
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So are you

exotic spoke
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So, enjoy the rest of your night - cause itā€™s not worth responding to you any more.

You canā€™t even provide a reason other than ā€œjust try the pulls outā€. But thereā€™s no reason to do it in normal because the situation / threat / urgency isnā€™t there

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@distant crystal hi qtpie I saw you typing

primal dune
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The biggest fear of a new player walking into M+ is not knowing the route

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Not getting one shot by spells

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To fix the problem, you copy Dratnos and replicate it in normal

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Problem resolved

exotic spoke
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Iā€™m saying the route doesnā€™t matter. Itā€™s better in the long run for them to make one on their own and try it

oblique garnet
exotic spoke
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Except dratnos route isnā€™t that good usually for most new players. Questionable pulls/ skips for new players

Either way. Iā€™m done responding itā€™s a waste of time

oblique garnet
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Youre both saying the same thing

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Just in a different way

primal dune
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It is ā€œgood enoughā€ and provides them with a template on what to do

oblique garnet
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Mobs in normal have different interactions with mechanics in mythic

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As in ml casters dont freeze you

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Sure you can go over basics like aggro range whatnot but you wont get the mechanics of the trash in there

primal dune
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Iā€™m literally saying use it to learn the pulls

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So pack location, patrol, what you can pull without pulling others

clear pollen
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Hi new to tanking and have only been dps, was wondering how do I know which trinkets are the best for me to use? Mainly m+, I'm assuming you don't sim like dps do for best gear

oblique garnet
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Vita/Nzoth/Wrathion combination of those is the best

exotic spoke
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Hi @clear pollen, we canā€™t sim for survivability unfortunately. Our only sims are for damage - which some people do sim for

Typically people like haste procs (rezans eye, wrathions trinket, vita for example), crit procs (gore crusted), or on use survivability trinkets (the nZoth trinket for example).

But there are other options that are good too. General stat procs

clear pollen
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are the haste trinkets, like rezans, only better if I have TD? or just in general

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also is their any dungeons (affixes) the Maut trinket is worth taking?

exotic spoke
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Haste is very strong with how prot works defensively

oblique garnet
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Maut trinket basically prevents you from dying in one tick

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Generally nzoth trinket is better because the absorb is consumed after block

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Also shorter cd

clear pollen
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good to know, I only have a H scale/vita and 470 rezans, should I still just use double H trinkets?

oblique garnet
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The difference between heroic vita and mythic is minimal

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Wrathion is less haste than rezan but with higher uptime

clear pollen
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ah that's why, one last question, how good are the mechagon bracers to be using?

oblique garnet
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Not good

clear pollen
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so if I have some 470 haste bracers, probably use those?

oblique garnet
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Yeah

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Pretty much any bracers are better than those

clear pollen
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thanks!

vocal skiff
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Is the run and gun ability from the blasters in JY blockable?

shut summit
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No, iirc

vocal skiff
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I got blasted by 2 of them in that patrolling pack on middle, they both targeted me at once

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is there any counter play

warm plinth
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Stun them as soon as they cast it?

vocal skiff
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That's a good idea

warm plinth
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Gotta almost anticipate it though. It's instant cast and channels pretty quick

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I usually have my finger on my chaos nova button on those pulls

chilly brook
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Yo so no joke

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Havoc DH/Prot pala is a hilarious comp in 2s

ionic fern
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Isn't that true for any Havoc DH comp?

upper violet
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ah yes havoc dh

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me dodge all ur shit

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balanced class

sharp rover
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Havoc dh is the Mary Sue class

chilly brook
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Looks like I found the class to grind r3 conflict on kappa

upper violet
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"grind"

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capping once and afking

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repeat

ionic fern
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Sounds like a grind to me.

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"Do this..and repeat".

halcyon pasture
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What azurite trait do we stack? Is it BoM?

upper violet
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yes 3BoM is good

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also 1DC

halcyon pasture
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Yup

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Ty

upper violet
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np

lime mantle
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3BoM 3DC big thunderglap big IQ. Bind keyboard to thunderclap.
||Don't actually do 3DC||

sullen valve
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Something something block cap?

upper violet
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yeah idk id take like HoD

lime mantle
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It's more that 3DC just gives some damage but it's not that big even back before Heart of darkness.
||Looks it's an old meme okay? Let me have this goddamnit||

sullen valve
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Anyone?

mortal plinth
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I have one bastion at the moment, is getting the other two going to make me a lot ya kite?

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Lol

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A lot tankier

green laurel
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Hi all, Question regarding IP. At the point of capping rage should we just be firing off another IP even if the current one is still active? Is there a downside to not letting it finish?

This mainly happens when I pop lucid, apart from using revenge when it price should I be using this as a rage dump also? Or should I just essentially but using IP (with anger management talented)
Cheers

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What azurite trait do we stack? Is it BoM?
@halcyon pasture
I'm sure the desired amount is 3 BoM

mortal plinth
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There is no downside to refreshing your IP if your rage is capping

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Imo

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Maybe use revenge if your IP is still full?

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Not sure

solar sandal
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isn't that just an "at your own discretion" kind of thing? like if you dont need to refresh IP and can do damage, just use revenge, and vice versa? o.O

sharp night
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problem is revenge is on gcd and you want to be spending as much rage as possible during lucid

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so you would only ever use it to replace a devastate because if you have anything else available you want to be casting something that generates rage on the gcd

tardy moth
sweet summit
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Kinda

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Big dam

tardy moth
amber siren
sweet summit
sick sentinel
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unzips

ionic fern
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Zips it back up cause we are a public discord

sick sentinel
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What mwahi I dindo nothin

ionic fern
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šŸ˜‚

sick sentinel
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Just needed some air

sweet summit
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Whats wrong with unziping a jacket?

sick sentinel
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Yeah

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Summer time

sweet summit
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Mans hot its like 25 degrees outside

ionic fern
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Holy..i just typed in Unzip into the Discord GIF and there's a lot of interesting things there.

sick sentinel
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Whatā€™s that in freedom units

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Cross server emotes when

ionic fern
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Now.

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Go.

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:happyMwahi:

sweet summit
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Thats 77 freedoms

sick sentinel
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so 600 leech actually means that 15% of your dmg is healing?

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so like a TD proc would just pump you to full?

sweet summit
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Yes, but not twilight :(

sick sentinel
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haha okay

sweet summit
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Leech is neat to have, but not something to aim too much for

sick sentinel
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i mean, you can pray for it but thats it

sweet summit
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Yeah yep

sick sentinel
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i guess it gets interesting if you have a bad item with leech on it VS a good item without

ionic fern
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More stats = better stats.
Leech is a stat.

sweet summit
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Take the item with highest ilvl>highest haste

ionic fern
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Is Siphoning on the menu?

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šŸ‘€

sweet summit
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Not atm

ionic fern
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šŸ˜¦

sweet summit
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How much leech would you have if you got it on every item, say at 475

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I have leech on shield, ring, boots and belt. The boots are 465 the rest is 475. And thats 14%

ionic fern
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Enough to pretend you're a BDK.

lime mantle
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wait mereka is good now?

ionic fern
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šŸ˜‚

sweet summit
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Do you die just as fast as one?

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Fang is very good for big aoe damage

ionic fern
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Mereka has always been solid.
It was just that you can't block during it.

lime mantle
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I had a 15 one ||I deleted it because it makes me miserable||
You can block during it?

sweet summit
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No

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Cant block/dodge/parry during it

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Channel and dots are hasted

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You can shockwave->fang pretty safe

lime mantle
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Huuuh can I use the excuse that you can't block/dodge/parry to never use mine because I really, really hate it?

sweet summit
#

Yes

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But have you tried formless void major with fang? Steal BotE and PUMP THE FANG

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Cosplay a DH

sick sentinel
#

that sounds fun

sweet summit
#

It is

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I recommend at least thinking about trying it

sick sentinel
#

Steal crucible major :^)

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Heal self

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Cosplay healer

sweet summit
amber siren
sweet summit
#

Why dont we have any dog emotes

onyx moat
#

Are we spamming my brothers in the chat? Hydrate

sweet summit
lime mantle
still pagoda
somber carbon
#

Hey guys!

  • i've picked up my prot warrior from 8.1, now that i got bored of tanking on my druid and demon hunter. It leaves me with a few questions that i hope you guys can help me answer.
  1. When i look at Rank 1 prot warrs, they seem to be stacking verse like madmen. Whats the deal with this? if i go abit further down the list like rank 50-100, i see alot of people going haste, and some going twillight for corruption. My question is: Is stacking verse only reliable when youre above 475 ilvl and push keys 25+, or would verse be viable even in +17-20 content, or should i choose to use my corruption on Twillights?
  2. The essences: i have most essences unlocked from my druid, so farming them insn't the problem. I cant figure out tho, if for minors i want to play Aegis, Null or SotW for the two remaining minor slots besides VoP obv. Do this change by each dungeon, or whats your thoughts about essences? Is Null better for some, and Aegis/sotw better for other dungeons?

Thanks in advance. Im looking forward to discuss prot warrior playstyles with ya.

still pagoda
#

Hey guys!

  • i've picked up my prot warrior from 8.1, now that i got bored of tanking on my druid and demon hunter. It leaves me with a few questions that i hope you guys can help me answer.
  1. When i look at Rank 1 prot warrs, they seem to be stacking verse like madmen. Whats the deal with this? if i go abit further down the list like rank 50-100, i see alot of people going haste, and some going twillight for corruption. My question is: Is stacking verse only reliable when youre above 475 ilvl and push keys 25+, or would verse be viable even in +17-20 content, or should i choose to use my corruption on Twillights?
  2. The essences: i have most essences unlocked from my druid, so farming them insn't the problem. I cant figure out tho, if for minors i want to play Aegis, Null or SotW for the two remaining minor slots besides VoP obv. Do this change by each dungeon, or whats your thoughts about essences? Is Null better for some, and Aegis/sotw better for other dungeons?

Thanks in advance. Im looking forward to discuss prot warrior playstyles with ya.
@somber carbon

  1. Vers stacking comes down to specific of +25 keys and higher - oneshots. Most of them you can't really avoid in such keys. In anything lower than +25, it is not viable and TD stacking is just plain better. pins
languid juniper
upper violet
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stacking verse is only in big keys around 23+ and its to avoid 1shots ttheres a pin about it.
essences are also in pins depends on what conternt youre doing

still pagoda
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  1. For minors, CnS is the go-to. followed up by Lucid, Sphere, Null, Aegis, Formless/SotW and stuff
upper violet
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yeah so everything has explainations in the pins

halcyon coyote
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hold on - i couldn't find what minor essences to pick with VoP in the pins

somber carbon
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Sorry every1 - i hadn't found the pinned messages - im sorry. reading there now. Ty for the answers i got above tho. The oneshot verse thing was an eye opener.

ionic fern
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Lucid/Sphere/CnS are all solid options @halcyon coyote

halcyon coyote
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ty!! lucid should be a big boost to rage availablity right?

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i feel starved atm

ionic fern
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You shouldn't feel starved tbh.

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Are you prioritizing your abilities correctly?

still pagoda
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Click more buttons and keep 30 rage whenever you need to refresh SB

halcyon coyote
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its like if i dont have avatar up, i can't ignore pain because i wont have rage to sb

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then again im only 452 ilvl. my haste is meh

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but yeah. i shield slam* whenever its up, and only revenge on procs

ionic fern
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You don't need to keep Ignore Pain up all the time tho. šŸ™‚

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Shield Block takes priority when it comes to rage spending for defensive purposes.

halcyon coyote
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oh. i thought IP up was standard. yeah i prioritize shield block always, but then i can't IP as much as I'd like to (hence my comment about starving rage)

novel gulch
#

Hi guys!

I was reading through pins, looking for some advice on the correct corruption stacking for mythic raiding. My guild was just formed and we are on progress to kill a 5th boss. I obviously want to be as useful as I can so I want to look at having the most optimal build.

  1. What do you guys suggest for mythic raiding in regards to corruption? So far I have not had a particularly hard time tanking Ny'alotha but I am sure that challenges may arise as I progress.

  2. This is a somewhat off topic question but does having 3x TD1 give you the same exact damage/effect as 1x TD3 ?

strong forum
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  1. TD
  2. yes
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It really is that simple

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As sad/stupid as it may sound, it really is that simple

echo bramble
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I guess the point is, as long as you dodge all dodgeable mechanics, then no direct hits should ever one shot you, even in a mythic raid. If that is the case, then you'll be healed, and won't need more survivability. Thus more damage is better

strong forum
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Yup that's the theme of bfa

novel gulch
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Sweet! thanks @strong forum, and since I will start to do more visions for the sockets, is there a % of haste that I should aim for or should I go crazy with haste gems? I guess what I am asking is, what are the "perfect stat percentages"?

strong forum
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Playing turtle doesn't benefit the raid or anyone really

novel gulch
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that makes sense

strong forum
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Na just go crazy with haste, especially for raiding

novel gulch
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mare haste means it would be more likely for TD machine to go brrrrrr

strong forum
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Well also more rage = more CDs = more survivability = more dmg

novel gulch
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checks out

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cheers!

strong forum
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If you have problems here or there you can cover alot of shit with LPS trinket

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That should be as far as you'd need to go in terms of defensives assuming you don't fuck up mechanics

novel gulch
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yeah, I was lucky enough to get the heroic version and it's really useful on wrathion

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what would you recommend for essences? Currently I am running VoP --> MoLD, C&S, SotW (all rank 3/4)

strong forum
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Whatever Sims spits our for most ST dmg is what I'm running

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So Cof Major
Vop void null minor

sick sentinel
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i just did a run with jes howler, is there any way to determine how much the versa did for me / my group? šŸ˜®

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i use it pretty much on CD, just have it bound together with avatar, not sure if thats smart either, just wanted to avoid the extra button ^^

hidden plaza
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If i got the corruption room what should i swap sotw out for? currently lucid major cns/vop M+ in the 20s

sick sentinel
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sphere

glad plume
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Hi! What is best to stack expedient or versatility for m+ (16-20 keys) ?

lofty widget
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Expedient if you dont have any TD, versatile is only needed for mid 20 keys, typically

sick sentinel
#

btw, can I intercept the shots from 2nd boss in freehold?

sweet summit
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Yes

marble cipher
#

Is Torment in a Jar decent for tanking keys?
Like, up to 15-ish, where you would not really miss the extra haste or something?

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(I usually use vita + dragonscale, both 460)

upper violet
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idk its like 5% of your damage at most

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i prefer vita scale

marble cipher
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yeah, I've heard it's not such a big dmg trinket...
On my DH it's respectable though (havoc), but I guess with that much haste, every trinket is

strong forum
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Well prot has comparable levels of haste

marble cipher
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not with triple furious gaze we don't šŸ¤”

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but, it's only 15 keys, might as well try torment for a spin at some point

sweet summit
#

Depends a lot on ilvl too

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A 475 isgood for damage

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A 460 is decent ish

marble cipher
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all my trinkets are 460 atm

sweet summit
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A 445 is not used

marble cipher
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I should try pugging M Wrathion for a 475 scale though...

sweet summit
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Yep

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Vita scale gang

upper violet
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yeah i tried pugging aswell it was miserable

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almost at 15k echos bois

icy harness
still pagoda
#

i've got both 475 rezan and scale

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don't use scale out of principle

marble cipher
#

but the wings!

still pagoda
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i'm not that edgy UwU

upper violet
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full set kinda weird dude

strong forum
#

I mean dhs with 3x FG + meta are at around 100% haste

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That's not that much more than warri

still pagoda
#

^

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i mean i'm at 193% haste with all the procs and 1xExp2

upper violet
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idk how much haste im reaching with all procs but i imagine its less than 100%

marble cipher
#

Probably true, I'm at about 110% on avg in a run on my DH, but haven't actually checked what I would be on avg on warrior with procs and stuff

strong forum
#

Like without hero I get over 150% on war, so yeah.

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(during procs ofc)

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Karton scale is more haste per minute than rezan even at 15ilvl lower :p

still pagoda
#

hmmm

#

need to sim

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real quick

ionic fern
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Those tabs tho.

still pagoda
#

Yes

marble cipher
#

kek, you've been lucky from your weekly chests it seems

strong forum
#

And then people complain about chrome eating ram

still pagoda
#

^

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like

strong forum
#

I have 3 tabs open at max

still pagoda
#

i close it down when i do anything else

upper violet
#

this man is brave

strong forum
#

Just have bookmarks...

upper violet
#

a million tabs on chrome

#

ur pc crying rn

#

this man on poe wiki

#

i see u

still pagoda
#

yes

upper violet
#

idk if to play this league tbh its looking kinda weird

still pagoda
#

WTF

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vita is still the best defensively

#

but what i see rn

#

difference is negligible though

ionic fern
#

@sick sentinel you are correct - only class specific abilities.

copper talon
#

Hi guys, quick question on haste. Do you stack haste till a certain cap? Or just go ham?

marble cipher
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go ham

still pagoda
#

go ham

copper talon
#

Gotcha

#

Cheers

still pagoda
#

now it's fine

#

was meaning to clean up in like last 3 days

#

kek, you've been lucky from your weekly chests it seems
@marble cipher

Indeed, i'm really lucky on weekly chests

#

475 KR ring, Goreblock, Rezan, 470 Vers/mastery weapon on my monk alt

upper violet
#

i got a vial ā†™ļø

still pagoda
#

vial is šŸ“ˆ

upper violet
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eh idk

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i dont rly like it

marble cipher
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I got a fang this week...

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ok I guess

still pagoda
#

i also have 465 fang

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but don't use it really

loud shoal
#

fang X can't block or parry

upper violet
#

chaosnova into fang

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or shockwave into fang\

loud shoal
#

sounds like a lot of work

#

what about bosses?!

still pagoda
#

fang is a meme trinket indeed

upper violet
#

yeah true

main vault
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just need to shockwave before

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easy

still pagoda
#

@loud shoal also, grats with the +26FH

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:D

strong forum
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Stalker

still pagoda
#

When someone calls you a stalker for just being curious

loud shoal
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thanks, but I inted 26 shrine D= got

upper violet
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yep stalker

still pagoda
#

i inted first pull in +21 FH yesterday

#

but again

#

it was my first key above +19

#

so it's fine

#

need to rethink all pulls and stuff

loud shoal
#

yea it takes some times to get used to doing bigger stuff. I'm still learning here and there when it comes to tanking higher content

still pagoda
#

and not just bump into the pack with leap and die from 3-4 melee hits in the back

bronze patrol
#

Hey guys I'm new to prot warrior, is there a universal stat priority? I've seen multiple guides some put crit at the top for M+ some at the bottom?

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I ask because I do next to no damage with 467 ilvl and am trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong šŸ˜¦

still pagoda
#

ilvl > haste > crit => verse > mastery it is usually

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intending that you have 3xBoM of course

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which devalues mastery heavily

echo bramble
#

Most of your damage will come from thunderclap while Avatar is active, and from TD as always

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In avatar, thunderclap is available every other GCD and deals more damage. Use demo shout, and then thunderclap until your finger hurts

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TD = twilight devastation

bronze patrol
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Okay, so I stack 3 BoM from azerite traits

still pagoda
#

In avatar, thunderclap is available every other GCD and deals more damage. Use demo shout, and then thunderclap until your finger hurts

until you break your keyboard*

bronze patrol
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And use TD as my curruptions?

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And then avatar thunderclap until the end times

still pagoda
#

icy veins guide is good for new people tbh

#

but yeah

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ideally you need 3xBoM 1xDC and around TD4-5 if you want to do any keys before +23-24 and stuff

bronze patrol
#

Gotcha, I noticed the top tanks stacking vers so I guess thats just to not get one shot from high keys?

marble cipher
#

^

still pagoda
#

exactly

#

FIRST TIME

marble cipher
#

I like this guy already!

still pagoda
#

we see a person not being dumb

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I like this guy already! [2]

bronze patrol
#

ā¤ļø

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Thanks for the help guys

still pagoda
#

no problem

bronze patrol
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I'll try not to dishonor the warrior club in pugs

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Wish me well

marble cipher
#

gl

still pagoda
#

glhf

bronze patrol
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Sorry one more thing

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Can someone post their character that does good damage?

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Just so I can have a template lol

still pagoda
#

as standard as it can get

bronze patrol
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A legend

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Ty sir

still pagoda
#

from 2.6k rio dumpster with love

strong forum
#

There's 1.5k rio people asking about vers stacking for their keys, so not that much of a dumpster šŸ™ƒ naeno

still pagoda
#

šŸ™ƒ

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1.5k is hell

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2k is purgatory

strong forum
#

No idea

still pagoda
#

2.5k is a dumpster of heaven from Helltaker

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3k is... DO NOT PLAY WITH PEOPLE FROM SOULFLAYER WHO HAVE 3k

loud shoal
#

hehe

still pagoda
hallow phoenix
#

3k is where a lot of dumb dumbs live

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Lot of big ego low knowledge dumb dumbs

ionic fern
#

Like me.

still pagoda
#

3k is the 3rd Circle of Hell

steady slate
#

i feel like i shouldn't even be in this chat room with my lowly 1.4k io score

hallow phoenix
#

This is the best place to learn stuff

mortal brook
#

what about the 'io is only 170 because a 15 workshop is the minimum weekly chore i can bear to do' club

upper violet
#

im like 1.6

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i just cba doing annoying dungeons like toldagor

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everytime td pulls some random shit

hallow phoenix
#

You can aim yourself in TD to not pull through walls

loud shoal
#

I didn't even hit 5k this week D=

still pagoda
steady slate
#

i had the opportunity to tank a 17 last night but chickened out. i didn't have confidence that i could handle the damage. i'm still trying to time 15s. i went on my shaman. we didn't time the key anyway, and i'm kind of upset with myself. i missed a chance to learn there.

ivory elbow
#

@still pagoda at 1500 No one kicks anything and around 2k people start kicking random shit and When you get to 3k and above people start kicking the right shit and overlapping and if u go a bit above people starts calling their shit in chat

still pagoda
#

@ivory elbow i know

ivory elbow
#

Mostly this whole expansion kick the right stuff and u win game xD

still pagoda
#

but 3k is literally the circle of arrogance and gluttony

modern brook
#

I hit 2.5 and im letting it go to my head tbh

ionic fern
#

3k people 50% people kick wrong things, 40% kick the right thing and 10% don't kick at all.

#

šŸ¤·

hallow phoenix
#

@steady slate should never be scared of tanking outside of your comfort zone, that's the fastest and most efficient way to improve

steady slate
#

yeah. you're right

ionic fern
#

You know which DPS'ers have ALT tanks by seeing which abilities they kick. šŸ˜‚

still pagoda
#

^

modern brook
#

Yeah whats the worst that happens? some nerd in some other part of the country who hasnt been invited to a party in 3 months says u suck

green laurel
#

I found around the 16/17s was the time say good bye to pug groups. Best thing I ever did, we've formed a solid group now and are doing 19/20s.

Just add the good people from your pug groups. I found it wasn't worth the stress getting blamed all the time by bads in pugs groups, because obviously when ever ANYTHING goes wrong blame the tank.

still pagoda
#

EXACTLY

steady slate
#

i just hate feeling like i'm the reason we fail a key

ivory elbow
#

Yeah u got unlucky with people like i get into 4K groups cuz i am tank and i Dunno Maybe i am lucky But very humble people

loud shoal
#

it's all about humble pie. I'm almost 5k and I know there's things I can work on and get better at..especially tanking

modern brook
#

I've had a lot of success pugging the 19-20 range tbh

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but the 15-16 range is fucking impossible

hallow phoenix
#

Never met a cocky 3.5k+

still pagoda
#

i'm currently pugging 19-21 range

modern brook
#

they're both 2heads but the 19-20 range has ppl that deal real damage

still pagoda
#

it is really SMOOTH

ivory elbow
#

But i think They know at higher lvls not to expect much from lower iO people peepoHappy

ionic fern
#

There's plenty of cocky 3.5k+ people.

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šŸ‘€

modern brook
#

so it doent matter that they dont kick anything

still pagoda
#

^

sweet summit
#

Like me yep

still pagoda
#

man

#

we need another Tol Dagor

hallow phoenix
#

Idk I haven't met one

still pagoda
#

to Tol Dagor half of walls

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or maybe more

steady slate
#

what are the affixes this week?

sweet summit
#

Raging explosive

modern brook
#

tyr

steady slate
#

that's not terrible

ionic fern
#

Oh, i might actually do keys this week then.

still pagoda
#

my guildies said "fuck it" to next week

#

i'm gonna do it

steady slate
#

bolstering grievous was a pain

ivory elbow
#

Itā€™s yikes Both weeks man bolstering and explosive makes big pulls yikes

strong forum
#

Never met cocky 3.5k+ what? Literally 90% above 4k are cocky as pure hell

still pagoda
#

^

modern brook
#

bro my guildies say fuck it to every week thats not like

#

skittish volcanic

still pagoda
#

bro my guildies say fuck it to every week thats not like
@modern brook

Same

upper violet
#

pugging kinda stressful i always monkaS every pull to see if they kick shit or nah

modern brook
#

or some useless garbage

#

quaking probably

#

idk

hallow phoenix
#

Hmmm I've only gotten polite 4k+ pugs

modern brook
#

Even last week wasnt very bad* but everyone pretended it was impossible

strong forum
#

Like the higher you get the worse the people. In every kind of scenario

hallow phoenix
#

Maybe it's an NA thing

strong forum
#

Be it pvp, m+ or raiding

sweet summit
#

Is EU more tox than NA?

ivory elbow
#

Just go on 9x ineffeble and spell relf everything Thats 9head gaming

strong forum
#

Only the literal top isn't cocky

still pagoda
#

Is EU more tox than NA?
@sweet summit

We have RU and Portuguese

hallow phoenix
#

EU confirmed toxic

modern brook
#

Bro if that aint the truth idk what is

still pagoda
#

so of course we're much more toxic

steady slate
#

the bolstering part wasn't bad, but the grievous really sucked

sweet summit
#

Tru xd

upper violet
#

eu kinda toxic

modern brook
#

NA has texas and Rag tho

still pagoda
#

just look at people from EU-Š”Š²ŠµŠ¶ŠµŠ²Š°Ń‚ŠµŠ»ŃŒ Š”ŃƒŃˆ

upper violet
#

russians be wild af

still pagoda
green laurel
#

This discord helped me

upper violet
#

karton toxic confirmed

ionic fern
#

Russians are either 100% godlike or 100% garbage.
My experience so far.

#

It's so weird.

stuck compass
#

@ivory elbow That made me lol pretty hard

upper violet
#

SAME

#

ACTUALLY THE SAME

green laurel
#

Russians are either 100% godlike or 100% garbage.
My experience so far.
@ionic fern
Same as DH...

still pagoda
#

@ionic fern

My exp with pugs and guildies native to me is the same. They're either pure garbo or good

upper violet
#

also this discord is dead af on EU ally

sweet summit
#

Ive met some very mediocre DHs

still pagoda
#

on alli it was

upper violet
#

so i guess im rerollng horde in SL

green laurel
#

Been a running joke in our group. We either get someone epic or terrible

still pagoda
#

FUCK RU ALLIANCE

#

Never again i will play on RU ally

sweet summit
#

@upper violet come horde :)

ivory elbow
#

Ru ally does that even exist

still pagoda
#

also this discord is dead af on EU ally
@upper violet

Everything is dead AF on RU alli

ionic fern
#

Yes.

modern brook
#

imagine playing alliance

green laurel
#

Imagine....

still pagoda
#

Ru ally does that even exist
@ivory elbow

Š“Š¾Ń€Š“уŠ½Š½Šø and Š§ŠµŃ€Š½Ń‹Š¹ ŠØрŠ°Š¼

upper violet
#

i have characters on TM but nobody to play with @sweet summit

ionic fern
#

Like 80% of my pugs are made of EU ally russians.

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Or atleast have like 2 russians in them

ivory elbow
#

@still pagoda Dafuq is that

sweet summit
#

@upper violet me yep

still pagoda
#

i have characters on TM but nobody to play with @sweet summit
@upper violet

You have us

#

join Kazzak gang

sweet summit
#

Na man

still pagoda
#

@still pagoda Dafuq is that
@ivory elbow

Gordunni and Black Scar servers

sweet summit
#

Im on TM

ionic fern
#

I'll come horde Rosjen.
Carry me.

still pagoda
#

former RU alliance hubs

sick sentinel
#

How much % up time should i have on SB in a dungeon on a log? like i know over 50% at least but like 75% 90%?
The problem i'm having is i tend to overlap SB i think.

sweet summit
upper violet
#

i have a hunter dk and druid on TM

still pagoda
#

I'll come horde Rosjen.
Carry me.
@ionic fern

We can

#

:D

ionic fern
#

Doesn't matter @sick sentinel .
Check for blocked attacks.

loud shoal
#

it's not about % uptime it's about % melee's blocked

#

^

upper violet
#

i mean

steady slate
#

is that a standard metric on warcraft logs?

upper violet
#

catching up the cloak rn

#

and doing all the shit

#

kinda BAD

#

tbh

sweet summit
#

Very bad tbh

still pagoda
#

@upper violet

Another variant - xfer your warrior

#

i did so

modern brook
#

@steady slate its not like a linegraph metric but it is there

#

i believe in damage taken

still pagoda
#

best $45 i've ever spent on WoW

upper violet
#

id have to xfer server and faction

ivory elbow
#

@sick sentinel gotta have sb up at the right time like

upper violet
#

thats like 50$

sweet summit
#

I have 1 decent alt and 2 scuffed alts alongside my wayor

still pagoda
#

better than BfA

upper violet
#

its too much

loud shoal
#

you can hover over your melee dmg taken abilties and see that @steady slate

still pagoda
#

^

sick sentinel
#

bolstering fort grevious week is finally gone and i'm so happy

steady slate
#

ok. i'm gonna start taking logs for my dungeons and looking for that.

sick sentinel
#

never want to play that week again

modern brook
#

Be aware that WCL for dungeons are uhhh

#

fake af

#

cause of all the downtime

loud shoal
#

this week . is explosive though šŸ¤¢

upper violet
#

i got like 1 person on alliance which is my brother hes pretty good but other than that i pug

modern brook
#

still a very useful thing to do

ivory elbow
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@sick sentinel if i am kiting and rooting with con and strife i dont use sb Because They dont hit

ionic fern
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You just have to know what to look for.

sweet summit
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Wcl good
Wowanal kinda fucky

modern brook
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but you need to be very like aware of what you're reading

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yuou cant just look at the summary

still pagoda
steady slate
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@modern brook what should i use if not WCL?

still pagoda
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shows clearly

modern brook
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nah use WCL

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% blocked will always be correct; just like w/ all statistics u actually need to interpret what you're reading

sick sentinel
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so, you are getting like 75-80% blocked hit per run?

steady slate
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ok. i see it now karton. thank you

ivory elbow
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@sick sentinel and last stand cunts as shield block i dont know if that counts in the details

still pagoda
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so, you are getting like 75-80% blocked hit per run?
@sick sentinel

It's a mythic Vex prog kill log

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not M+

sick sentinel
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oh, sorry

sweet summit
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Thats about what i get and idk if its good or not šŸ¤”

ionic fern
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You will still probably get like 75-85% in m+.

sweet summit
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O ok pog

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Im gaming

sick sentinel
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yup, that right there is 100% my issue then

upper violet
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ait

sick sentinel
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not even close to 75-85% block

modern brook
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Rosjen is a gamer

upper violet
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inv cojo-tarrenmill

ivory elbow
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@sick sentinel u Can log m+ runs and see How it goes

sweet summit
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@upper violet im bot home yet

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Give me an hour

upper violet
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maybe ill do cloak then

sweet summit
halcyon coyote
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@loud shoal thx for the hover tip

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this is very bad isnt it

modern brook
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i would say thats 53.56% bad.

halcyon coyote
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im very bad :((

modern brook
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the good news is ur also 46.44% good

loud shoal
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make sure you aren't overlapping shield block and last stand with bolster talent. I feel like a lot of new prot warriors make that mistake

sick sentinel
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so, wait, how are you ensuring that you always have rage for the next SB? you just don't use IP until nessecary?

modern brook
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^

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I make that mistake cause i get scared and just press all my dont die buttons

still pagoda
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^^

loud shoal
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you really never want to go below 30 rage yogi, keep that banked for SB

modern brook
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So the correct way to think about IP is not "its a defensive"

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its "this is 40 rage to sink into Anger management"

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the absorb is 2ndary

ivory elbow
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@sick sentinel rage bar and rage management

halcyon coyote
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wait though, why is t he "blocked hit" damage amount the same as the "hit" amount?

sick sentinel
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i think i might be using IP way too much and then i don't have rage for SB and then i take ton of melee.

ivory elbow
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Weakaura that shoes How long my shield block is Gonna last

loud shoal
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yea that's something you don't want to do yogi

modern brook
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@halcyon coyote its not?

sick sentinel
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then the panic sets in, i think that's whats goin on.

steady slate
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@sick sentinel I have the same problem

halcyon coyote
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54% normal hits, 10m dmg
46% blocked hits, 8m dmg

steady slate
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I hit IP far too often and rage starve myself

sick sentinel
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a long long time ago in 8.0 some dude yelled at me for not using enough IP and it really stuck with me

halcyon coyote
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oh nvm. average hit is 50% less than the normal hit

modern brook
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@sick sentinel thats some legion shit

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IP was really good in Legion

inland silo
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People that donā€™t play warrior tend to think IP is some magical button in my experience

modern brook
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and u could stack it like 3 times or something

exotic spoke
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Morning prot qtpies

modern brook
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in BFA

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its a 50% absorb, not a 90%

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and it only stacks to like 1.3

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its a lot worse

upper violet
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ppl this ip is insane cuz the tooltip looks like its good but its a small absorb

still pagoda
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and u could stack it like 3 times or something
@modern brook

I could stack 12m absorb back in 7.3.5. But even then it would break in 2-3 hits from trash in +22

modern brook
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LOL yeah

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those were the days

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in 8.0 we were avatar machines

ivory elbow
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MonkaS How Do you Do that i have to spam ip Because im getting 2 much rage

sick sentinel
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So i need to move IP to a key that is uncomfortable to hit?

modern brook
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and then in 8.1 everyone was like "IPs OFF THE GLOBAL????????? PROTS GOOD AGAIN" as if that was a useful change

inland silo
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I mean no

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You still press IP a lot

ionic fern
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You still use IP frequently.

exotic spoke
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It was a useful change bullfango. Just not the only reason why prot came back into meta

main vault
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It was a useful change

still pagoda
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It is basically your primary CDR course

main vault
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šŸ¤”

sick sentinel
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I want to focus first on using SB and make that more comfortable though right?

modern brook
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SMH

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yall crazy

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I'd keep ip on the global for 12 more years if it meant blocking throw rock and shoot

exotic spoke
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But we can also block those now too šŸ˜›

ionic fern
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You should always have enough rage for a Shield Block if you need it @sick sentinel .
Any excess rage should be used with Ignore Pain.

modern brook
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And we had Reaping w/ UF

upper violet
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spellblock when

modern brook
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godly patch tbh

upper violet
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warr unkillable

exotic spoke
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Play prot pal then David

modern brook
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Prot pally doesnt even know how to use its shield lol

sick sentinel
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i haven't played arms this expansion at all really

loud shoal
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yea maybe practice never going below 30 rage

sick sentinel
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i might give that a go

still pagoda
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^^

upper violet
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prot pal is kind of a paper tank

still pagoda
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just practice rage restrain

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prot pal is kind of a paper tank
@upper violet

It is not

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inconsistent

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but actually really tanky

modern brook
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TBH the issue w/ most prot pallyss ive seen is they're measuring how good they are w/ their HPS

upper violet
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idk thats how it feels sometimes but i havent played mine in a while

strong forum
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Alot of people judge tanks by hps

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Or healers

sick sentinel
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i mean, there is also the thing where paladins can literal block magic damage and full immunity + targeted magic/melee immunity.

still pagoda
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TBH the issue w/ most prot pallyss ive seen is they're measuring how good they are w/ their HPS
@modern brook

in SL they will judge based on how fast they cycle through Holy Power

strong forum
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That's just shows they have no clue how irrelevant hps is

ionic fern
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Healer does 10k HPS
No one dies
Group : FUCKING HORRIBLE HEALER ONLY 10k HPS

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šŸ¤·

strong forum
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^

still pagoda
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^

upper violet
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real

still pagoda
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gonna try healing for the first time next week

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as MW

modern brook
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I get that on my resto a lot

sick sentinel
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People get oneshot

modern brook
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"tank keeps out healing druid"

sick sentinel
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LOL NOOB HEALER

loud shoal
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I healed a bit on resto druid season 3 it was fun

modern brook
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confused cat noises

still pagoda
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i have never healed before

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like

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NEVER

sick sentinel
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If you do not take any or very minimal damage, the healer does not need to heal you all and can save mana for other bad pulls.

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and then you win faster

modern brook
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I just started healing this season and it REALLY like druid tbh

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though im willing to admit thats because im allowed to spend way more time being a shitty dps than a healer

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(and im willing to admi thats because i dont do real key pushes with him)

ionic fern
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It's weird tho.
So often i see druids just HoT'ing you up with minimal damage income and then they spam Regrowths ontop of that instead of letting their HoT's do the work.

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I think i've seen only like 2-3 druids who let HoT's do what they are supposed to do.

modern brook
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in my experience, ppl get mad at you when they;re not at 100

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those ppl are als o the ones not standing in ur efflo tho

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so

sick sentinel
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this week it's expected healer gets you to 100% hp though

modern brook
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confused cat noises

sick sentinel
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as druid you have so many buttons to press and they all do something useful

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its great

still pagoda
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It's weird tho.
So often i see druids just HoT'ing you up with minimal damage income and then they spam Regrowths ontop of that instead of letting their HoT's do the work.
@ionic fern

These restodroods played MW RM build too much

ionic fern
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Meanwhile in raids:
500 Reju casts
2 Regrowths-

still pagoda
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that literally relies on vivify cleaves

modern brook
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LOL thats me in raid mwahi

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I have no clue how to raid heal

ionic fern
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I think that is how they raidheal tbh.

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šŸ˜‚

modern brook
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I legit just run vop + inner peace and try and snipe EVERY raid damage with tranq

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so no one notices how little im actually doing outside of those

ionic fern
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See

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You are doing fine @modern brook

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šŸ˜‚

sick sentinel
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i think i might be able to afford a re-roll on a chest or shoulders, get some BOM going again

ionic fern
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Just spam Reju.

modern brook
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hang on lemme see if i can find mine

sick sentinel
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damn maybe not

steady slate
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so druid healing is all about pretending to work hard?

mortal brook
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and catweaving in between yeah

still pagoda
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^ Rising Mist PTSD

steady slate
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i tried that with my shaman, but chain heal spam is pretty noticable

still pagoda
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i suppose you can't buy alch stone off of AH?

steady slate
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nah

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it's BOP\

modern brook
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wrathion

limpid birch
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13 casts tranq

modern brook
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(vop)

still pagoda
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šŸ‘€

limpid birch
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major?

still pagoda
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HOLY JESUS

modern brook
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[also i had an orange parse for damage] šŸ’Ŗ

ivory elbow
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Did a waycrest the other day 10 mill dmg just from spell relf

limpid birch
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more tranqs than wild growths

modern brook
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8^)

limpid birch
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is u monster

modern brook
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I never claimed to be a good healer player

limpid birch
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you just snipe other healer cds with tranq admit it

ivory elbow
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Tomorrow shrine third boss is Gonna be Pog

modern brook
still pagoda
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tomorrow my keys gonna be POG

limpid birch
still pagoda
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since i will have +20 from the get go

limpid birch
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@modern brook relatable tho

still pagoda
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it's BOP
@steady slate peepoHappy

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why...

modern brook
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Tranq on a 90s CD + flourish :^)

still pagoda
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i just want to gear up MW

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i just want to try healing