protection

[still pagoda]

technically you need to PULL BIG

[left hatch]

the issue with Aegis is if you do'nt play around it its not as valuable

[sick sentinel]

i see

[upper violet]

@dusky tusk swap trinkets asap - get vita/scale/rezan/block

[left hatch]

gotta be in combat wiht 6 targets for it to be on par with CnS (and i think 5 for sphere)

so.... not pulling mobs with bosses? dead slot for the next 2-3 mins)

[upper violet]

bandages and sigil are awful

[dusky tusk]

Thanks

Wasn't sure, good news I have those other trinks

[gentle sand]

hey guys, i want to start stacking TD for mythic tanking, is rank 1 worth it? or stick to rank 2s and 3s when they rotate in on mother?

[sweet summit]

@dusky tusk take impassive visage on head, over IP
swap DC on shoulders to IF
swap crysaline carapace on chest for blood siphon i think
use VoP major over CnS major

force multiplier weapon enchant

[dusky tusk]

Yeah unseen you all talking about the trinks as more boss specific

[sweet summit]

haste ring enchants

[left hatch]

@gentle sand i would wait, if only because R1 of CnS costs more for some reason

r1 of TD****

[dusky tusk]

So we want the haste enchants and sockets

[sweet summit]

idk, KR trinket and maut trinkets are both pretty bad and major overkill in most situations

[gentle sand]

oh didn't know that, thanks @left hatch

[sweet summit]

yeah, but force multi on weap

[left hatch]

trinkets like banadages arn't situational tho

its just bad

[chilly brook]

LPS is actually so broken

If you want an absorb

Farm that

[left hatch]

and sigil is only ok on 3 mythic bosses

on heroic its just a wasted slot

[dusky tusk]

Ok trinks blow lol

[ionic fern]

No u.

[sweet summit]

wow

tox

wtf

[ionic fern]

Sorry, i haven't read.

😂

[chilly brook]

Mwahi is a toxic boi

[warm plinth]

Mwahi

[chilly brook]

Always has been

Yall just never listened

[dusky tusk]

Lol

[chilly brook]

[undone sun]

what's new

[ionic fern]

😦

[oblique garnet]

Mwahi toxic

[undone sun]

[chilly brook]

❤

[sweet summit]

vita>>scale>rezan/block/nzoth trinket @dusky tusk

nzoth trinket is amazing if u need a defensive trinket

[dusky tusk]

Thanks for the constructive criticisms. I'm logging now to make some changes

[chilly brook]

LPS is double busted if you're a monk

[ionic fern]

I'm secretly implementing stupid stuff into APL to see how long it takes for you guys to notice it.

[sweet summit]

playing monk tho :(

[left hatch]

and by need a defensive trinket you need an absorb for burst damage on roughly a minute cd

[ionic fern]

Soon you'll all be spamming Devastate in sims.

[undone sun]

yikes

[warm plinth]

Oh boy

[sweet summit]

what

[left hatch]

otherwise vita/scale are defensive cds

[chilly brook]

Cuz apparently Celestial Fortune applies to all absorbs

[warm plinth]

Abuse of power

It finally happened

[sweet summit]

he is hacking

[ionic fern]

[left hatch]

see, you should just play the long game and do that for SL

when we won't suspect it

[warm plinth]

Surely if you can fuck up our sims, giving me Friend role is a pretty minor thing 🤔

[dusky tusk]

Thanks again everyone

[left hatch]

end up all running the banner when it does exponentially less than spear

[ionic fern]

Good luck @dusky tusk

[sweet summit]

end up running condem anyway because execute

[chilly brook]

I feel like a traitor....I just don't have a desire to play prot anymore

[oblique garnet]

Mwahi wont dare to fuck up prot apl

[chilly brook]

[undone sun]

bet

[ionic fern]

😦

[left hatch]

its ok griff, iv been having more fun on VDH and even bear lately

[warm plinth]

It sounds like a challenge

[left hatch]

which is sacrilege

[chilly brook]

Its probably because I've been clapping since prepatch

[oblique garnet]

Rotation is simple enough so its hard to fuck up

[left hatch]

3 seasons of claps too many, ready for it to die

[sweet summit]

clapping slaps

[ionic fern]

Can't wait to implement Ravager & Dragon Roar for SL.

[chilly brook]

But VDH is big fun

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

RAVAGER

[upper violet]

ah yes vdh

[still pagoda]

Can't wait to implement Ravager & Dragon Roar for SL.
@ionic fern

HR* and Dragon Roar

[upper violet]

TD or no threat

[still pagoda]

[chilly brook]

Just cant wait to have the corruption budget for TD7

[upper violet]

this might be weird but pvp as arms is pretty fun

[still pagoda]

i guarantee you, this will be possible only 1 week before prepatch @chilly brook

[chilly brook]

Arms pvp is great

[sick sentinel]

is it too troll to just run TD3 and TD2 as corruption?

[upper violet]

but all the dumb corruptions are ruining the game tbh

[warm plinth]

No, why would that be troll?

[chilly brook]

@still pagoda I feel like we have a lot of weeks before prepatch lol

[sick sentinel]

idk, its so inconsistent somehow

[sweet summit]

this or 👉 🚪

[still pagoda]

with the current situation, surely @chilly brook

[upper violet]

atleast like what 14 weeks orsomething

[sick sentinel]

i never tank, but when I do, it procs on a totem in atal dazar and fucks up the timing on that

[ionic fern]

@sweet summit carry my horde priest.

[sweet summit]

ok

u heal me through TD12?

[upper violet]

carry my 425 hunter

big in keys

[sick sentinel]

well, for fun I've tried 250 corruption on the target dummy, the fun ends pretty fast then @sweet summit

[upper violet]

xd

[sweet summit]

🤣

[ionic fern]

Wait, i'm not actually sure what my ilvl is.

😂

[sweet summit]

uhoh

[upper violet]

also have a 400ish ilvl bdk on horde

huge

[sweet summit]

as long as its not a vulpera, i might help

[chilly brook]

I'm just trying to figure out what I want to main in SL at this point

[sweet summit]

warrior, duuh

[upper violet]

dont even have vulpera unlocked

yep same

[sweet summit]

good

dont

[upper violet]

idk im thinking of ditching prot and going arms

[ionic fern]

😒

[sick sentinel]

i don't follow the news at all, is there any major changes about warr?

[ionic fern]

Imagine being a traitor.

[upper violet]

a woyer is a woyer

[ionic fern]

Not currently @sick sentinel .

Nvm.

😂

[sick sentinel]

so its clap clap clap for another three years

[upper violet]

huge

[chilly brook]

I'm a traitor I main BrM in current tier and play Vengeance in keys and in my free time

[sick sentinel]

and every second warr will have "clap" in his name now 😐

[sweet summit]

its ok, i carried ginger through a 16 waycrest with full loom gear @ionic fern 😂

[ionic fern]

😂

[oblique garnet]

Whats wrong with being arms

[upper violet]

thinking maybe monk but WW not brm

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel doubt it'll be clap clap in the next three years with the nerfs

[sweet summit]

WW owns

[upper violet]

yeah

WW is like a fun rogue

[sick sentinel]

eww nerfs

[upper violet]

unbelievable

[sweet summit]

yeah

too bad its kinda shit tho

[sick sentinel]

my option is my druid

[upper violet]

eh i mean

[sweet summit]

slaps in m+ kinda

[oblique garnet]

WW is worse than brm

[sick sentinel]

but guardian druid is disguisting

[upper violet]

i dont rly plan on mythic so

[sick sentinel]

like so fking eww

[oblique garnet]

it doesnt even slap in M+ xD

[ionic fern]

Wait, really?

I thought WW was atleast mediocre in m+

[oblique garnet]

Its actually worse than feral/enha

[sweet summit]

isnt monk decent in m+?

[oblique garnet]

No

[upper violet]

dont matter its a fun spec

[sweet summit]

huh, unluck then ;/

[upper violet]

fisting is 300 bucks

[chilly brook]

Monk gets brought in m+ to buff rogues

[oblique garnet]

It doesnt really do anything good anymore

[sweet summit]

is it only good in pvp now? xd

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[sweet summit]

major yike

[ionic fern]

Except for dying in stuff when using Whirling Dragon Punch and not being able to move?

😂

[sweet summit]

LOL yeah thats a thing

[upper violet]

also mw is kinda fun but healing is weird - its either boring af or like spam casts or ded grp

atleast in m+

[chilly brook]

I experienced said thing on mythic Vexiona

[sweet summit]

hey, cns major MW is kinda cool

just spin to win

[chilly brook]

Except for losing 1/4th of your mana per cast

[sweet summit]

thats a tank problem

[upper violet]

[chilly brook]

And the idiots who use the essence when they shouldn't

Had a MW earlier this week say after the key started that he was trying it out for the first time

In an UR

And he was getting pissed that I wasn't pulling huge

[upper violet]

oof

[chilly brook]

And I was like "do you want to get one shot by a bolstered boi"

[upper violet]

all the stupid mobs casting

and big bolstering

[chilly brook]

Yea

I was like wrong dungeon and week to think about using that chief

[sick sentinel]

what happens with avatar procs while its active?

[upper violet]

were huge bois

[sick sentinel]

does it extend the duration?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[upper violet]

[zealous ore]

@upper violet Cojo revived?!?

giga

[chilly brook]

But dont use avatar when you get a proc

[upper violet]

eh idk

[chilly brook]

Only use avatar after a proc ends

[upper violet]

im not playing horde atm

just memeing

[chilly brook]

Otherwise you get the worse version or BoM

Cuz VoP procs are also only a % of BoMs full value

But if you get a VoP proc inside a casted avatar you retain the full BoM

Also mail tank when?

[sweet summit]

#vanilla-discussion

pepelaff

[chilly brook]

Lol

Wtb cloth tank

[sweet summit]

warlock pet

or blood dk

[chilly brook]

Lol

Blood DK might as well be truuueeee

[sweet summit]

😂

[chilly brook]

Itd actually be interesting to see a caster tank

I'd assume they'd have to be able to cast and move though

[sweet summit]

o i have one for this too

fire mage on skittish weeks

[chilly brook]

Fire mage just dont get hit ez

I did a run with 2 fire mages as a VDH last week on skittish

[sweet summit]

monkaW

[chilly brook]

I've never spammed taunt so hard

Two people bursting over 300k on bosses

I need more pepes but I cant be asked to spend money on nitro

[sweet summit]

cant even use pepes in here

vel is a tyrant ive heard

[strong forum]

:sadbubbles:

[sweet summit]

:sadcato:

[chilly brook]

Wdym

Then why we got pepes

[sweet summit]

cant use emotes from outside the server

[chilly brook]

Oh

[sweet summit]

only works in #off-topic

[chilly brook]

RIP

[sweet summit]

yep

@ionic fern cross servers emotes when?

[chilly brook]

Increased selection of rare pepes when?

[undone sun]

Cross server emotes when @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

Cross server emotes when @ionic fern

[sweet summit]

[undone sun]

[ionic fern]

😦

[ionic fern]

Make a petition.

[sweet summit]

https://strawpoll.com/c4552da8

[dusky tusk]

Running VoP M, CaS, Aegis and SOTW in that order?

[sweet summit]

that works 👍

[chilly brook]

I'd vote

But apparently

VPN users can't

[sweet summit]

yikes :/

who the fuck voting for tomorrow

[strong forum]

Should've made now, tomorrow and now in green

Smh

[sweet summit]

idk what colours they got

[undone sun]

lmao same @chilly brook rip

[chilly brook]

Gg

[undone sun]

advanced option off by default 😔 https://i.imgur.com/lZ1dSnS.png

[sweet summit]

oops

sorry its the first strawpoll ive ever made

😳

[robust pulsar]

Was looking at Nao armory... How the fuck he gets to 55% versa in the armory? 😮

[upper violet]

items with versa and versatile corruption

[robust pulsar]

The versa corruption affects the armory % ?

Or the % there is without corruption?

[sweet summit]

yes the vers% increases vers so it does show on armory

[robust pulsar]

Ok, that explains it a bit then

On streams he gets up to 100%, that's insane

[chilly brook]

CnS

Vers procs

[sweet summit]

because he has vers procs, conflict, lucid

ye

[chilly brook]

Not too crazy

If you're running enough vers amps to hit 55% baseline

[limpid pawn]

Most people are actually slowing themselves down for their low keys by going vers lol

I’ve seen vers stack wars failing 15s and 16s due to poor play

[cosmic canyon]

Don't you think those keys would fail no matter what corruptions the tank ran?

[chilly brook]

Ofc

But running vers amps in 15s is slowing you down anyways

[cosmic canyon]

Why would it?

[chilly brook]

Because you're hurting your damage output

[cosmic canyon]

You are?

[chilly brook]

Yes

[sweet summit]

yes

not using TD is a massive dps loss

[chilly brook]

TD stacking is far more damage than vers

[raw socket]

Fuck td

Rng bs

[chilly brook]

Rng BS that can one shot pulls

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet summit]

🤷‍♀️

[raw socket]

👨‍💻

[warm plinth]

Stop damage (on bursting week)
TD deletes pack

[cosmic canyon]

I disagree. With the team dynamic.

The less damage you take the more damage your group can do.

[chilly brook]

No

[cosmic canyon]

Yes

[warm plinth]

Nah

[sweet summit]

your healer dpsing a bit is not more damage than a TD proc lol

[raw socket]

Yes

[chilly brook]

The less damage you take the more damage your healer can do

[raw socket]

If u got a holy paladin

[cosmic canyon]

It's not only about the healer

[sweet summit]

even then

[raw socket]

Holy paladins ignore all that

[chilly brook]

But your healer is not out damaging your TD procs

[sweet summit]

you are still limited in pull size by the amount of stops your group has

[warm plinth]

How does you taking less damage improve your group’s damage

[sweet summit]

not how much vers u have

[cosmic canyon]

The less damage you take the bigger you can pull, even more true in lower keys

[chilly brook]

Literally taking less damage is only more damage for your healer

[warm plinth]

There are other limitations to pull size

[sick sentinel]

for a healer, the dmg on the tank isn't the issue, its the DDs taking random spikes (ignoring some shit)

[cosmic canyon]

You're wrong griff

[sweet summit]

youre not taking damage in 15s to begin with

[chilly brook]

You can already pull huge in low keys without vers

[sweet summit]

[raw socket]

The bigger u pull the better aoe dps u get

[chilly brook]

And I'm not wrong chief

[cosmic canyon]

Considering TD only hits 5 mobs you're contradicting yourself

[sweet summit]

10

[warm plinth]

It hits 10 dude

[chilly brook]

It hits 10 for full value

[cosmic canyon]

Ok

[chilly brook]

And continues to hit after 10

[raw socket]

🧐

[chilly brook]

Just at a lesser value

[sweet summit]

its capped at 10 no?

[warm plinth]

Pretty sure it hits 5 full value and drops off til 10 and then hits nothing

[sweet summit]

5 for fullvalue and 10 for less

[raw socket]

Im ready for shadowlands no rng bullshit corruptions

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sweet summit]

but still fucking yuge dam

[chilly brook]

Either way its huge damage

[warm plinth]

It’s still massive damage

[chilly brook]

You take less damage when things die

[sweet summit]

yep

[warm plinth]

I’m with you there 6god

[chilly brook]

And same

[sweet summit]

#corruptionsInSL

:)

[warm plinth]

Go away Rosjen

[sweet summit]

:(

[warm plinth]

Jk ily

[sweet summit]

<3

[raw socket]

Who here ready for shadowlands

[chilly brook]

Me

[sweet summit]

BFA is already over

[raw socket]

U got cutting edge?

[chilly brook]

Nah

[sweet summit]

ya

[raw socket]

Dang bro

[chilly brook]

8/12

[cosmic canyon]

If your vers build gives you 50% and your TD build gives you 0% and you deal 40% overall damage from your TD, you'd still do more damage with the vers build AND take 25% less.

[sweet summit]

only 150 more score then i can retire m+ too

[cosmic canyon]

Obviously it's just an example

[chilly brook]

Wut

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

50% increase to your damage does not mean you suddenly make up that 40% of TD damage

[cosmic canyon]

Yes it does

[raw socket]

What about a haste stacking

[sweet summit]

good

[chilly brook]

No it really doesn't lmao

[raw socket]

60+% haste

[cosmic canyon]

Yes it does

[raw socket]

No te

[sweet summit]

large haste

[raw socket]

Td

[strong forum]

youre losing a ton of other stats to get that vers

[chilly brook]

Keening

[sweet summit]

u want td

[strong forum]

like crit and haste

[sweet summit]

big dam

[chilly brook]

Are you doing MDI style half the dungeon pulls into bosses in your 15s?

[strong forum]

but hey, thats what we have sims for 🙂

[sweet summit]

on non bolstering weeks yeah

[sick sentinel]

If I just read someone say that vers damage is equivalent to TD I will throw up

[sweet summit]

:^)

[strong forum]

just sim it

no need to feelycraft napkin math it

[marble cipher]

I do those mdi pulls!!!
By accident cause my butt is too thic from all the clapping

[sick sentinel]

alexa play say it ain’t so

[strong forum]

and then you have a definite answer

[upper violet]

huh

[warm plinth]

The Skyhold scuffed alt key didn’t happen this week :’(

[chilly brook]

@cosmic canyon well are you?

[sick sentinel]

Let’s do it tonight ghash

I had a real problem at work on Friday

[undone sun]

monday keys 🤣

[chilly brook]

I did my scuffed key this week

[warm plinth]

I won’t be home til like 8 central at the earliest

[cosmic canyon]

Am I what?

[sweet summit]

doing MDI pulls

[chilly brook]

Doint mdi half the dungeon pulls into bosses in your 15s

[cosmic canyon]

No? You don't have to

[chilly brook]

Then you literally have 0 reason to stack Vers in 15s acting like it improves your groups damage

[sick sentinel]

Rally the troops ghash we are going in

I feel like this feelycraft nonsense is taking away from my skyhold experience

[sweet summit]

im convinced you are trolling right now

[chilly brook]

But Hawgz

Vers % damage

[strong forum]

no need to get rude

but if it were true

the sims would utter so

[warm plinth]

Keening what is the logic behind this? In low keys you’re limiting your pull size by the amount of stops you have, not by your damage intake

[strong forum]

literally a moot point

[warm plinth]

So vers % helps way less than it does on higher key levels

[chilly brook]

I'm sorry nom

[sick sentinel]

I’m gone for two days and this channel gets toxic gahdamn

[warm plinth]

Whereas TD provides a significant damage increase to your group

[sweet summit]

missed u hawgz :(

[chilly brook]

I'm just

[sick sentinel]

Missed you too pal

TD is badass AF, you actually see a chunk of HP getting ripped out, so TD clearly wins IMO

How many leech memes did I miss

[sweet summit]

my 14%

[chilly brook]

Anyways if you disagree with me that's fine

[sick sentinel]

Hnnnnnnng

[marble cipher]

Did someone say...... leech!!

[chilly brook]

If you choose to disagree with the rest of Skyhold and Naowh...

Well that's your choice

[analog swift]

^^

run full td/exp/IT

up til 22s

never really had a problem outside zul/ML

[sweet summit]

an orang man said TD good

so TD good

[chilly brook]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lYUACZsaC1yz6Y4jwJ7EQMoSvunqA9-qxGyixWRUC9s/edit?usp=sharing

[analog swift]

still gunna sneak on SOME verse to cover up for my own misplays

but that's my misplays

[sick sentinel]

Let’s get the scuffed keys up past 22 so we can show them the way

TD only no verse

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel I did a scuffed 16 this week on my 451 guardian druid

Was no fun

[ionic fern]

[warm plinth]

Scuffed key tonight maybe

[sick sentinel]

You better have another character cause when 6pm pst rolls around I will be rallying the troops

Monkus needs another key

[analog swift]

where's riki

[sweet summit]

orang man good

[sick sentinel]

When do I become orange man

🍊 👨

[cosmic canyon]

You're stuck thinking about only part of the picture, and even in this case if you get versatility to scale well with your corrupts your personal dps from stacking versatility over TD has potential to do more dps/corrupt than TD.

If you also add factors such as you taking less damage, increasing the room for error etc.. Save cds for huge pulls etc..

The pullspeed & size is not static in the comparison

[ionic fern]

What are we arguing about?

[sweet summit]

stacking versatility over TD has potential to do more dps/corrupt than TD
this

[analog swift]

that stacking verse in 15s is good

[ionic fern]

Cmon

[mental scarab]

🤔

[sick sentinel]

🍊 👨 has spoken

[mental scarab]

300% vers yeaS

[sick sentinel]

Ez

You ain’t got that?

[ionic fern]

Diddn't i already do this argument once before?

Zzz

[sweet summit]

you did

[analog swift]

btw if TD is 50% of your damage

you need 100% verse to match it

50 x1.5 =75%

not 50%

[cosmic canyon]

No you don't

[analog swift]

say what now

[upper violet]

@ionic fern make pin pls

[sick sentinel]

My napkin math says otherwise

[sweet summit]

i am very bad at math

im not even gonna try

[analog swift]

if TD does 2 mil damage
the rest of my ability does 2 mil damage

I have 50% verse so all my attacks do 50% more

my 2 mil attacks become 3 mil

3 <4

QUICK MAFS

[cosmic canyon]

Stop thinking "you you you" and damage damage damage.

It's a 5 man key for a reason

[analog swift]

pull size

[cosmic canyon]

Yeah

[analog swift]

is RARELY determined by verse

[upper violet]

archually

wrap it up

[chilly brook]

@cosmic canyon again https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lYUACZsaC1yz6Y4jwJ7EQMoSvunqA9-qxGyixWRUC9s/edit?usp=sharing

[analog swift]

I legit can't think of asingle time

[chilly brook]

Feel free to argue with a top tier tank

If you'd like to

[analog swift]

where I was liek "man I wish I could pull that extra pack but I would die

[sweet summit]

nerf>naowh atm

:/

[strong forum]

pull size is not determined by gear

btw

[analog swift]

freehold

blast it

underrot stops

[strong forum]

its determined by mechanics

and affixes

[sweet summit]

its the amount of stops

yah

[strong forum]

not 👏 by 👏 gear 👏

[chilly brook]

^^^

[sweet summit]

gear just allows for more mistakes

change my mind

[chilly brook]

If you dont get kicks on water blasts I dont care how much vers you have

[analog swift]

ml stops.

WM stops

KR (ok maybe but not double pulling anyway and more so kicks)

Shrine kicks (maybbbee vers but more so kicks)

Atal, kicks/venom blasts on group

junkyard fuck it up blast

workshop, can't double pull anyway.

td outside of beach pull where you kite anyway, hard to double pull anway

[cosmic canyon]

I feel a bit like the returning dude in the allegory of the cave, especially since you keep contradicting yourself over and over.

[warm plinth]

That's not how it works btw. 100% vers doesn't replace 50% of your overall damage from TD

[analog swift]

ah citing a high school mandtory reading book

well I will be the catcher in your rye

Ghash you're right it was a steel man argument, "even if he was correct" sort of thing

I'm interested as I'm saving up for verse myself

[upper violet]

[undone sun]

[warm plinth]

Ah

[upper violet]

go stack versa nobody's stopping you

its just not as good in 15's

[analog swift]

what packs did you not double/triple pull because of not being able to survive

[chilly brook]

@cosmic canyon exactly who is contradicting themselves and how?

[strong forum]

idk why anybody is still arguing tbh

[sick sentinel]

If you do 50k dps in a dungeon and we will say 40% is TD to make a nice even number. Take away 20k dps from your overall. You are now at 30k dps. In order to achieve 50k dps again, you will need a 66% increase to your base damage to hit 50k. Keep in mind that this is not impossible but this is also not accounting for the fact that TD is hitting all targets in most pulls whereas abilities such as devastate, SS, etc do not

[analog swift]

BECAUSE

[sick sentinel]

🧠

[analog swift]

IM AN ATTORNEY AND I DO THIS FOR A LIVING

[sick sentinel]

My napkin math may or may not hold up in court

[chilly brook]

@analog swift maybe I should have become an attorney since I like to argue

[analog swift]

my high school principle always told me i should

but then said i was dyslexic and i wouldnbt be good at it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

eat shit Mr. brown

[sweet summit]

racist

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel hence why I told him vers % doesn't net you the damage lost but I'm just a dumb boi who couldn't be bothered to do the math for him

[upper violet]

cancel him

[warm plinth]

Yeah that's correct Hawgz

[sweet summit]

aha!

[sick sentinel]

Now as we stack more TD that number will become more and more difficult to hit with vers %

No one will ever tell you not to run vers% in higher keys. It will provide you with a fantabulous safety net and stop you from getting one shot and allow your group to do more dps as a result. HOWEVER this doesn’t matter TD 4 lyfe

[analog swift]

agreed

i like to hit 120K dps in junkyard

it's my favorite past time

wary of giving up exp for IT

but we will see

[cosmic canyon]

Nice article/document griff

[sick sentinel]

can somebody explain to me, how the hammers work in workshop?

[strong forum]

the hammer is really fun

[warm plinth]

They count the number of targets at the start of the cast.

[cosmic canyon]

Hammertime

[warm plinth]

So you stack under them, then when it starts casting, you move out

[strong forum]

the more people start it simultaneously, the mroe dmg it does

[warm plinth]

And the boss/trash/whatever get bonked

[strong forum]

basically if theres 5 people below it that trigger it, it slaps 5x at once

[cosmic canyon]

Where is the auto-bots

[sick sentinel]

i just don't understand when they actually trigger

i am spamming heroics for my essence

[warm plinth]

When people get close, for the most part

[sick sentinel]

and sometimes they trigger right away

[strong forum]

when you stand directly under it

[warm plinth]

Sometimes it's delayed a bit

[sick sentinel]

sometimes they don't want at all

[strong forum]

well thats how it is

[warm plinth]

But if you stand there, it'll happen

[chilly brook]

@cosmic canyon its not mine all the credit goes to Naowh and Mwahi

[sick sentinel]

the thing about TD, that is weird a bit is

that my direction of where I look at matters so much

@chilly brook and hawgz

😎🧠

[chilly brook]

Shut up

[sick sentinel]

Are you kidding I do all that forehead math and this is how you repay me

No respek

[chilly brook]

Lol

❤

[sick sentinel]

Do i have to have an offhand to heal on my monk

[chilly brook]

Nah

You can run with a staff

[sick sentinel]

Excellent

[digital delta]

what essence do you guys prefer on 18-20's?

[chilly brook]

Personal preference between VoP/Lucid

Lucid has a lot of benefits if you can play around it

[exotic spoke]

Lucid gives you control and another cooldown to use.

[sick sentinel]

Hate buttons

Am vdh now, 3 buttons

[warm plinth]

Lucid is also fun af; let's not downplay that aspect

[chilly brook]

Just run ftd and its one button @sick sentinel

[warm plinth]

I tried it for the first time the other day and it's actually silly

[dusky tusk]

What are you guys using to sim as tank?

[chilly brook]

I dont like lucid that much

Maybe I'm weird

Certainly effective though

@dusky tusk raidbots

[dusky tusk]

Thanks

[chilly brook]

But you're only simming for dps cant sim survival

[dusky tusk]

Yeah wasn't sure if they had another thing out there to help sim that

[chilly brook]

Nope

[exotic spoke]

Honestly don’t sim much anymore.

So much rng with corruption in raid >.>

[chilly brook]

No such thing as a survival sim

[dusky tusk]

A good healer friend of mine says he prefers to heal warriors over most other tanks

[chilly brook]

That's because they're solid af

Block op

[sick sentinel]

We are alpha

[exotic spoke]

In M+ if people are kicking properly we are smooth af

[dusky tusk]

Yeah that's what were into. Haven't tanked raids as warrior though

[exotic spoke]

If people aren’t kicking then it sucks but /shrug

[chilly brook]

Did a shrine with people not kicking properly yesterday

I wanted to die

[exotic spoke]

What can you do?

Raid isn’t bad for the most part. Wrathion, when I got my first mythic kill, was annoying but I was a bit under geared for it. Also, Vexxiona can die in a fire. I despise that fight as a tank

[chilly brook]

Vex is no fun for either role as prot

Beam is aids

And breath is aids

[sick sentinel]

Just 3 tank it 4head

[chilly brook]

But hey

[dusky tusk]

Lots of 15+ keys on my hunter (main) the warrior is my alt but main I to shawdowlands. I'm really enjoy warrior as a whole. Stuck with my hunter as it's my mythic raid dps :(

[chilly brook]

At least you can spell reflect damage back to vex on despair

[dusky tusk]

So just started 15s as prot

Makes it smoother because I can focus on learning the class more then the dungeons

So the curve is fast

[exotic spoke]

Our first kill had a very unique raid comp. 2 tanking and 4 healing with two rdruids, 1 r sham, 1 hpriest

Was great >.>

[chilly brook]

We 2 tanked but I'm not running prot in mythic prog, we're doing double BrM

[exotic spoke]

Ew

We had prot / BrM

[chilly brook]

If I had the choice I'd be playing vengeance

[dusky tusk]

Our mythic prog is teo prot pally :/ but they are prettubwell versed in thier specs so it's not so bad

[chilly brook]

Prot pally honestly is fine

I'm just bad at it

Feels too squish for me

[dusky tusk]

If you can keep your CDs on a constant rotation and can predict damage they are good

I just see lots of bad ones that dont understand

[chilly brook]

Like me

[dusky tusk]

Lol

[chilly brook]

Lotp on gcd is also aids

[dusky tusk]

Prot warrior is just fun. It's fun to run keys on. So much damage

[chilly brook]

Kinda hope paladin is solid next xpac

I like the fantasy

Just not the execution in current

Was my first main back in TBC through cata

[dusky tusk]

Prot pally will probably be tougher for people to grip into right away

Holy spending tanks

Be one of those who can do it do it well sort of classes is my prediction

[chilly brook]

Itd be like BrM back in WoD again

I liked having Chi as a tank

[dusky tusk]

Just a drunk MF bombing kegs and having a time lol

[tacit maple]

Vex is my favorite encounter to tank 😦

Actually have something to do

[chilly brook]

I think my favorite this tier is Raden

Mythic Raden aside from all the butt puckering damage is fun

[still pagoda]

Mythic Raden is unironically a time i have actual fun during prog rn

[exotic spoke]

I enjoyed Il’gynoth it’s kinda funny watching the raid blow up@like popcorn after the first mistake

[tacit maple]

Hmm that's true. Carapace was also fun. 100% spell reflects during P1.

I like having "something impactful to do" beyond just regular play

[exotic spoke]

I have 100% uptime on carapace unless I fuck a reflect. How are you getting 100% reflects though?

[ionic fern]

Btw @sweet summit i don't think it's undersimming per-se,it's actually 3 rppm.

[tacit maple]

Oh I mean solo tank due to reflect

Yeah 100% uptime on carapace for single tank

[ionic fern]

So like 60-65 percent would be reasonable

[sweet summit]

yeah i guess if they overlap

you get someting like that

[ionic fern]

So a bit closer with Rezan's but still better.

👍

[sweet summit]

makes sense

[modern brook]

this might be my favorite interaction in this channel ever.

[ionic fern]

👀

[modern brook]

names cut to avoid sparking drama

but that actually made me laugh

[sick sentinel]

This is my favorite

[modern brook]

:^)

that guys a fucking 2head

[exotic spoke]

But I need vers for 23s. Cause I’m bad @modern brook

[still pagoda]

that guys a fucking 2head [2]

[exotic spoke]

I’m old / washed up and can’t play well any more. Hell its questionable if I could ever play well

[still pagoda]

unironically

@modern brook did a good job in that message

JUST GIT GUD

L2P

yes, #toxic-protection

[exotic spoke]

/shrug.

[modern brook]

[exotic spoke]

some things never change

[modern brook]

Low key just play however u want

it doesnt matter just use the shield

[sick sentinel]

Correct shield is love shield is life

Got a boe shield

Fkn ez

[modern brook]

donate it to me plz

[strong forum]

KR22 this week with rsham

:pog:

timed it

[still pagoda]

[modern brook]

grats nom :^)

[kind prairie]

anyone here take devastator for tyranical weeks?

[strong forum]

no

[modern brook]

no

[strong forum]

thats inting

you lose rage gain and 80% of dungeons are still trash

🙂

[kind prairie]

that's what I was thinking, but figured I would ask

thanks. 🙂

[sick sentinel]

when i came back to bfa and even worse than before, i was using the talent that makes VR a CD rather than proc

because, what is the point of not having my heal all the time haha

[shy rapids]

Is there anyway to sim for prot?

[left hatch]

yes

but its for output only

you can't really sim for defence because theres just way to many variables to possibly account for

[undone sun]

it's theoretically possible, but the effort spent isn't worth the outcome

[shy rapids]

Do you use the same options as you would for a dps sim? in terms of patchwerk fight 1 boss 5mins?

[undone sun]

yup

[urban briar]

hey guys where the prot warrior spredsheet?

[still pagoda]

nowhere

[modern brook]

#268491842637660160 f

[urban briar]

found it tyvm:)

[chilly brook]

I thought the best interactions in this channel were the

I'm not going to play classic ever that's outdated and I played it back then wont be going back

6 months later

hey I need guildies for classic raiding

[warm plinth]

Oh you mean like @lusty grotto ?

[still pagoda]

@chilly brook This actually happened?

[severe swallow]

where is the spot to activate bridge on kings rest

so u can use portal to skip them all

[warm plinth]

Either end

Walk up to the threshold on either end of the bridge and it'll trigger, but you have to be out of the void realm to trigger it.

[severe swallow]

u do it in the corner infront of door right?

[warm plinth]

Yeah, if necessary you can

[cosmic canyon]

The meme above isn't accurate btw. Only if all other input values stayed the same, but it's taken from its context and the argument which was that if you take less damage your group deals more damage.

@modern brook

[still pagoda]

if you do MORE damage, then your group does more damage too

the best defense is offense

[warm plinth]

The only way that's true is if running vers is the enabling factor to you pulling bigger, which is not the case until you're doing high keys.

[still pagoda]

^

[sick sentinel]

Did someone just call my forehead math a meme

How dare you

I spent at least 72 seconds typing that out

[warm plinth]

I knew you weren't the fastest typist but damn

[left hatch]

everything about hawgz is slow

you should know this by now

[lusty grotto]

WHO HAS SUMMONED THE WRATH OF CHEF NIMCHIP

[oblique garnet]

[still pagoda]

No one

[lusty grotto]

you are now a liar

[still pagoda]

https://media.tenor.com/images/7c527bc05d1db93e44f4a9516fec863f/tenor.gif

[lusty grotto]

great you put in my 2nd most hated shit which is japanese cartoons

writing down your name here

[warm plinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/669030653349855272/classic_chortle.png

[lusty grotto]

ghash this is old news ok

[still pagoda]

[lusty grotto]

i raid log on classic

[warm plinth]

[still pagoda]

degeneracy

[oblique garnet]

[still pagoda]

pure degeneracy

[lusty grotto]

i would have thought you would have figured it out after my 23rd whisper about joining our keys to which you said no

[warm plinth]

I'm still waiting for the 24th whisper

[lusty grotto]

nope, i can take a hint

[warm plinth]

But don't do it right now; I'm at work

[oblique garnet]

Doing keys for free

[lusty grotto]

wow late

wowowowowow

[warm plinth]

I haven't boosted in so long

[lusty grotto]

:feelsnaman:

im busy gearing my mage

[oblique garnet]

But this game is boring thats why i have to bring up more alts

[warm plinth]

I'm moving up in the world though. Almost 3200

[lusty grotto]

you know after the 37th workshop run you kinda start getting tired

[loud shoal]

pushing keys is forever fun

[lusty grotto]

0 bracers so far

[oblique garnet]

pushing keys is just boring

you repeat the same things over and over again

[warm plinth]

You know how many tries it took me to get bracers for my mage @lusty grotto ?

[oblique garnet]

and one guy throws

[lusty grotto]

also my DH has 0 raden weapons after 31 runs x2 coins

me loot rng is cursed

[warm plinth]

I got bracers my first run

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

And then got a masterful III weapon fro my first M+ chest

And now I don't play my mage

[lusty grotto]

its fine i got 3 Masterful III waiting on my bags

[warm plinth]

Look at muh stars

First time I've had all timed dungeons there in a while 😅

[lusty grotto]

gz gz

[rigid sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705237177319161901/721610565809733722/Capture.PNG

[sweet summit]

thats a deplete?!

[lusty grotto]

is it flexing time?

[sweet summit]

oh 2 sec

nvm im blind

[warm plinth]

That's a RIP

[loud shoal]

FLEXIN

[warm plinth]

Don't make fun of my 19 KR

[rigid sinew]

i am sad

[oblique garnet]

No flexing

[warm plinth]

I would be sad too

[lusty grotto]

this is so weird

[rigid sinew]

now i get to weekly no leavers a 25 motherlode

[lusty grotto]

so i just sent my mage some bags and shit

and i hit open all mail

on TSM

[warm plinth]

ML is pretty good most weeks, though bolstering is definitely one of my least favorite weeks for it

[lusty grotto]

and the items arent on my bags?????

[loud shoal]

forget weekly no lever molo just time ittt

[warm plinth]

this tbh

[rigid sinew]

true

[warm plinth]

I believe in you Neon

Crush that shit

[sick sentinel]

Ez timer

Bolstering peace keepers can save you time

[rigid sinew]

more like

one shot me with charged claw

remove reflect cd change my mind

[shadow wagon]

so I'm just gearing up my pwarr and I noticed with the red haste card during lust and avatar thunderclap literally has 0 cd

could that actually be like a real build?

or am I gonna want other trinkets eventually

[sick sentinel]

You’ll want others

[rigid sinew]

u get the same outcome after gearing with haste and using ineffable

[sick sentinel]

Can’t get higher ilvl haste card. Vita gives gigs haste

[shadow wagon]

why not both tho

arms uses both

[sick sentinel]

Can use double haste trinks as prot as well but there are better than punch card

Vita/rezan/scale will outperform

[loud shoal]

I dunno about str vs punch card stats, but in terms of raw haste value punch will outperform rezan or scale

for prot that is

[sick sentinel]

ahh btw, since versa is not that important for nonendgame: I should prolly wear my 475 jes howler over a 460 [Void-Twisted Titanshard] even tho it gives me the setbonus?

[loud shoal]

I imagine as a tank you get no value from the void twisted

[upper violet]

jeshowler

but you should try to wear vita and scale/block/rezan

[mortal plinth]

Is merkethas any good for us?

[upper violet]

its ok but takes a slot that could be vita or scale

[loud shoal]

can you dodge and block while channeling merkethas?

[upper violet]

not sure about that

[shut stag]

No, you can’t

[upper violet]

then its dead

[sick sentinel]

rezan is the atal-trinket, what is scale/block?

[shut stag]

Need to pair with leg sweep/chaos nova

[upper violet]

scale is wrathion

block is from waycrest

[last mason]

Do you guys feel that blade combo is generally threatening or not really

From kr

[loud shoal]

not for us

[upper violet]

if i have SB up its nothing

[last mason]

Just have block up right

Yea

[shut stag]

Just keep block up

Same for wreck in JY

[sick sentinel]

ahh dragonscale u mean

but why the waycrest trinket, it just has strength and a crit-proc

[upper violet]

crit gives you parry

which is good

[chilly brook]

@last mason block makes practically everything tickle

[warm marlin]

shouldwe use echoingvoid?

[warm plinth]

If it's all you have, sure. But Twilight Dev is far better.

[finite parcel]

If ur stacking twilight for prot m+ do u stack haste or vers?

[strong forum]

Haste

[sick sentinel]

can I make a makro, that only allows me to use shield block while none is active?

[strong forum]

Probably, but that's very advanced

Like unnecessarily advanced

Actually I think scripts like that don't work anymore

[still pagoda]

ez +2

not my key

just regged to pugs

they invited me to +21FH

dunno how it will go

but i'm just gonna take it easyt

Take it slow

[strong forum]

Spriest topping

[still pagoda]

yes

an actually good Spriest

aight, time to pop SW and BL right on pull and hope for the best

[sick sentinel]

SW on pull

i struggle so much with druid to keep people above 90% in 16s and 17s already

not sure how people do that on 20+

[strong forum]

Druid is one of the easiest classes to do just that

So idk chief

[sweet summit]

one rejuv

one wild growth

one lifebloom on yourself

ez

[sick sentinel]

i remember atal, the berserks with the totems gave me quite some trouble

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel well your first problem is pulling the berserkers

[sweet summit]

what are berserkers

[chilly brook]

honor guards

big dudes that don't die until totems are killed

[sweet summit]

call them honor guards then

[chilly brook]

wasn't me chief

[sweet summit]

well your first problem is pulling the berserkers

[chilly brook]

I don't know what you're talking about

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

no meme though they're rough to pull

[sweet summit]

yeah, they truck

[dusky kettle]

Been wanting to tank 10+ as My offspec. But im struggling with routes. Anywhere to find routes for each of the dungeons?

[chilly brook]

raider.io

[novel ruin]

Dratnos posts some every week On raider.io

Good starting place

[chilly brook]

literally front page

[grand drum]

Just tried the spotter strat in siege, gotta say it was pretty fun watching things get 1-shot

[tacit maple]

By things, do you mean your other party members?

[sick sentinel]

spotter strat = bolster spotter to 2315786237, right?

[still pagoda]

RIP

[strong forum]

Unluck

Mission failed, you'll get em next time.

[tacit maple]

What was the time?

Oh I found it

[still pagoda]

i dunno. Quest log bugged

though it usually doesn't show up until i get out of the dungeon

still good

+19UR 2-chested and this one

at least i'll have +20 right away next week

so it is technically a key that starts it all

[sweet summit]

Cba next week

[still pagoda]

including my push into higher keys

[sweet summit]

Me no like

[vocal skiff]

That moment you realize you forgot to change bounding stride from raid for crackling thunder for m+

felt so bad

[still pagoda]

i use Bounding Stride 24/7

feelsmobilityman

[vocal skiff]

I like the clap radius a lot more

for m+ at least

[still pagoda]

last time i used Crackling Thunder was in 7.3.5

also

[trim bay]

@still pagoda what was your SB and IP up time?

or what should we be aiming for

[still pagoda]

IP uptime is meaningless

seriously

it's your rage dump

its uptime is irrelevant

i've also forgot to swap null for lucid

[trim bay]

got my demo is around 40

rookie numbers 😦 but ty for the info

[still pagoda]

i was running VoP major and CnS, Warden and Null minors

last one was an accident

because i forgot to swap it out for lucid

[trim bay]

yea

would u run rank 3 aegis over rank 2 cns?

[still pagoda]

no

you can

but it requires you to play around it

making big pulls for example

[trim bay]

Yea, i hate pvp. never too late to starting doing 2s

[still pagoda]

3s are my joy

and RBG's

One bladestorm - 7 corpses

[trim bay]

ill give that a crack. as prot of course

hahahah

[still pagoda]

no

arms is the way to go in pvp

[trim bay]

it was a terrible joke lol

[still pagoda]

last time we've seen tanks being viable in pvp was in Legion

[sick sentinel]

speaking about pvp: this week I did the 1400 to finally get going with C&S, is it enough to do the conquest cap next week?

[still pagoda]

yes

it is enough

but better off doing 1600

since it is better to wait only 3 weeks instead of 5

[sick sentinel]

3 weeks instead of 5, right

yeah

[still pagoda]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphetide

[strong forum]

Gamer

[hazy stag]

So im kinda new to prot ended up tanking raid for my guild tonight and just wondered is it normal for sometimes it feels like you have a second or two where you dont have anything to press?

[still pagoda]

no

it is not normal

fill in with devastate

SW on pull
@sick sentinel

I was just worried that it can go wrong right from the start

It did

[hazy stag]

Yeah I was doing but it felt a bit weird using what is effectively just damage instead of a tanking ability? So thats like a normal part of the rotation?

[wet fable]

It gives you chance to proc shield slam

[still pagoda]

everything that "tanks" is also doing damage for prot

[wet fable]

giving you more rage

[still pagoda]

and vice versa

just use it as a filler

There's seriously no distinction between "defensive" and "offensive" rotational abilities

except for revenge

but you use it only on procs

[hazy stag]

Ahhhh okay thanks for the help :)

[strong forum]

You can check out #268491842637660160 for some stuff to read up on

If you have more specific stuff feel free to ask here

[arctic python]

Is it viable to stack expedient for m+?

[latent wing]

there is a pinned sheet about that

[soft mason]

Can you SR Gunker's Toxic Wave or whatever, like the big AoE wave thing?

[marble cipher]

Is this combo worth it? Or is the only good mecha combo that you'd drop ilvl for the "haste" one?

oh wait, let me delete that and clip prot gear....

so, replace ancient dredger with the protecting band

[candid inlet]

I have 8.5k is it worth buying td1 now or wait for the other 1.5k/7k and fingers crossed for td2/td3?

I don't have any other TDs rn

[last mason]

Just wait

[warm plinth]

I'd wait. Not worth spending 6125 on TD1 when you can spend 10k on TD2 or 15k on TD3

[sand relic]

should i still be using vision major ?