Dwarf is steamroll
#protection
left hatch
yeh, he has a bunch of mobs that have casts that need to be interrupted
and if they're alive long enough to get it off
its bad
steep bone
These stuns are 
left hatch
even my hDH can't kill them in time always lol
on a 5mask
so i don't risk mass pulling and hoping they die
steep bone
But my trick is to pull big with elite so any sanity i lost I’m getting back
left hatch
the 300% sanity damage thing can also be nasty on some minibosses
the one in the cage area in particular
has too many casts to interrupt
so you take a bunch of sanity damage if you pull w/o gift up
steep bone
How do I deal with mage district one, because I gotta kick sheep and then he’s channeling some sanity drain one
left hatch
you SR or you suck up the sanity damage
left hatch
yeh 5 masking isn't very hard
just small slipups can scuff the run
like you can be chain cc'd to death
(sanity death that is)
steep bone
I’m afraid of not having cheat death perk
upper violet
take things slow in the difficult zones
steep bone
I went right side first
left hatch
i got chain cc'd by her poly to death, cheat death procced
and then she just did the same thing to me for 2nd death
that bitch
upper violet
dont pull too much than get stuck in a cc chain or too many casts on you
in magetower and shaw area i kinda just take it slow focus on annoying enemies and have plenty sanity left
left hatch
also had some nasty slip ups with leaden foot + the puking miniboss in mage district
yeh, i don't even mass pull on my havoc
steep bone
And is Shaw spawn always the same after he goes invis?
steep bone
In mage I was taking three portal guys with elite
And then another one with second elite
left hatch
but yo'ure also making a comparison with mobs doing 100% less damage and health than a 5mask
left hatch
nah its not hard
just don't underestimate mechanics
cause its really easy to go from fine to scuffed cause of silly mistakes
upper violet
yeah
sweet summit
bloodthirsty+power thing
jump+follow guy
leaden foot+fear
steep bone
atm ive Imagination, pained and long night
sweet summit
i have no idea what the masks are called and what they do
swift bay
hey guys, sorry for asking but since https://www.wowhead.com/spell=292364/embrace-of-kragwa scale with Versa too, is worth for high m+ keys or paku/kimbul is still better for a zandalari prot warrior?
sweet summit
i know long night and burned bridge
steep bone
and i could read it lul
gilded niche
What main stats are needed for prot warrior?
left hatch
Ilvl>Haste>crit>=versa for M+
Ilvl>Haste>versa for raid
upper violet
@swift bay i think the crit one might be the best if it increases parry chance
if not then id still take it for damage
left hatch
1xDC, 3xBoM, fill ideally with CH/HoD/MS
gilded niche
Yeah so my azerite stuff gotta change lol
left hatch
but BfI, IF or any stat giving generic like tradewinds is good
yah, azerite traits are a pretty big deal haha
gilded niche
rip gotta reforge every time I switch then
gilded niche
shame I traded my 2nd pair of cara shoulders away thinking I wouldnt need them anyways
gonna try to grab a second pair first and then Ill try some tanking
gilded niche
Yeah gonna do mythic guild run tonight again
Only done first 3 on mythic so far though
left hatch
thats fine, the other pieces in raid are worse than vendor pickups
acoustic island
What ilvl should I be to start tanking heroic nyalotha?
left hatch
445-450 ish
gilded niche
I cant get myself to save up 20k residuum, every time I feel like Ill be lucky... which Im not
left hatch
probably lower if your group is reclearing
yeh... i fell into the trap gambling last season
acoustic island
I see so 460 is definitely ok
gilded niche
damn
Ive only been playing for 2-3 months now
of which only like 1 month in a raiding guild etc
left hatch
well, being in mythic after 2-3 months is awesome
already doing better than most of the playerbase
left hatch
give yourself credit (:
gilded niche
I mean yeah... but it was more of a carry haha
gilded niche
Yeah I learned mechanics and gained gear, so now when we do HC I also help low geared people get gear!
swift bay
thanks for the answer^^
steep bone
So, i did 3 mask just eeaaasy. And I wouldn't have to use any orb however I did use two for safety, one for mage district boss and one for valera
left hatch
still pagoda
sweet summit
same ilvl?
mortal brook
2nd one if same ilvl. otherwise, just take ilvl
sweet summit
^
steep bone
yes
onyx vessel
i would assume so a mythic vex chest he would know
steep bone
same ilvl
onyx vessel
crit vs heed
pretty easy choice tbh
roll 2
1 you pick 1st one
2 you pick 2nd
ez
strong forum
na 2nd chest is better
onyx vessel
strong forum
IV and UF
sweet summit
onyx vessel
dont listen to me
sweet summit
vex chest.
onyx vessel
vex is bis for prot
steep bone
right now i have 3x bom, 2x hod, 2x uf, 2x resounding and once iv
strong forum
aka the one your already wearing
steep bone
so i guess its pretty fine
left hatch
crit has defensive value, heed just damage
and IV>RP
wouldn't be an awful piece if you didn't have vex tho
left hatch
theres slightly better chests than vex mythic
steep bone
m+ i assume?
left hatch
yeh Plate Chassi has OP and CH
onyx vessel
yeah its pretty good
left hatch
and Ashvane Warden's has MS and OP
so its not a big deal to not do mythic raid, theres awesome options from vendor
sweet summit
mecha chest also gives vers
left hatch
and IV scales from vers as well
onyx vessel
has a cd
left hatch
a cd that you can play around
since its 100% predictable
im not an authority but ppl like kyothi who do big boi keys swear by it
even if you consider HoD=CH
onyx vessel
op tho
left hatch
Vex doesn't have op
onyx vessel
true
left hatch
still were talking about pretty minimal % gains
largely irrelevent for us heathens that don't do 28's
candid sage
I've gotten back into WoW in the past month and people are so toxic when you don't do the "normal" routes. I haven't been playing the same dungeons for a whole year so it's kind of a steep learning curve, especially now that I'm doing 16s and 17s
sweet summit
as a tank, you are an easy target for pugs to blame if things doesnt go as well as they want to
you basically controll and lead the group
sick sentinel
M+ is toxic, but it is designed to be toxic i feel
the only way you really complete 20+ key is by having a group with deep intimate knowledge of the game, crazy gear and even better reflexes.
strong forum
as soon as it has any competetive aspect, any game or profession is toxic
upper violet
anything with a timer is likely to be toxic
strong forum
thats just how it is
sick sentinel
so you have to have 5 people all be playing basically fucking perfect.
upper violet
yeah
sick sentinel
all on the same page, all avoiding mechanics and stuff
upper violet
if youre doing tough keys and want to time it yeah
strong forum
na yogi i assure you, you need 1-2 people to have knowledge of whats going down
in +20
thats about it
sick sentinel
all using potions consumables, and a huge load of RNG good and bad on top of it?
I don't know how you do it and frankly i'll never get there.
strong forum
first and foremost you need the gear, dps that can press their dps rotation to a certain extend, and then you just need 1 shotcaller / dude that knows what needs to happen
upper violet
yeah
strong forum
i can confidently say my dps players dont do ANYTHING unless i tell them to
sick sentinel
I'm gunna wait till next week to push keys again though.
strong forum
theyre slowly starting to get what the fuck is going on, but we're so flawed and make a shitton of mistakes
it do be like that
sick sentinel
reminder text until it becomes memory
strong forum
get your rotation down
thatll be a MASSIVE help in everything
huge dps increase, infinite survivability gain
sick sentinel
no more losing aggro to DH for one
strong forum
well dhs are special
a mongo dh that literally uses bote+ beam + fel barrage + fang trinket on pull
tends to pull aggro from everything
strong forum
well that should do it
easy way is also to bop the DH
but not everybody has the privilege of having an hpal
t. knower
sick sentinel
strong forum
Not really a great trinket
sick sentinel
no? okay i got it from the weekly anyways
strong forum
Na the 2min CD makes it rather unpleasant
I mean if you really want to you can use it, especially in low keys it can do something but eh.. I personally wouldn't
But that's me
sick sentinel
i got most of the trinkets from dungeons around 460 or so, no 
or vial though
strong forum
Then just default to rezan and block, you can't do anything wrong with em
sick sentinel
i don't even want to think about bolstering/grevious KR AD TD personally
upper violet
same
novel ruin
None of those are as bad as Siege. Walked into Siege 20, tried raider pack and laughed and left. My key is dead and not going through the headache of body pulling stuff away to not bolster an unfun dungeon.
sick sentinel
bestkeystone is the website
novel ruin
It is JY and at least NA can go gunker first
sick sentinel
i know jy has a long timer, 89% seems really high pass rate
amber siren
the spark bots scale with fort
left hatch
another contributing factor is i think a lot of ppl avoid JY
theres a stigma thats its super hard and mega overtuned
so a lot of groups consider it a dead key
despite bots making the timer fairly lenient if you don't wipe
tropic fox
JY is only super hard, if you lose the bots
left hatch
big true
tropic fox
and even then, it depends on the keylvl
left hatch
so if the only ppl going in there are ppl that arn't afraid of the stigma around it (they likely know the route, pick up bots etc)
itll inflate the success rate
novel ruin
True that. Same with how Workshop has a good timer too if ppl use the hammers correctly and tank lines up 2nd boss so melee can hit it during flames.
sand turret
When am I supposed to spell reflect against the toxic monstrosities in junkyard?
novel ruin
Before cast finished
left hatch
its when the channel expires
sick sentinel
there are 4 main things that kill my yard route every damn time on fort. Acid Splash, Slime Wave (elemental charge through) enrage/shockwave, and scrap grenades
sand turret
ah
left hatch
but SR should last that long
novel ruin
Just make sure to not get pulled in to his hitbox
sick sentinel
somebody dies to one of those things and they walk back
left hatch
less actionable, but find dps that know how to sidestep
tropic fox
you just have to hit the inital with SR, so if he starts to pull in, then just pop SR and move into the slime, nothin will happen but the slime dies
left hatch
if its a guild group theres a LOT of keys with tramples thatll be lethal eventually
so teach your friends to sidestep or start calling it out to them
mild citrus
Hello guys. Does anyone practiced rezan's eye? I've 465 rezan, 460 vita and 475 scale.
left hatch
Vita and Scale
upper violet
i think rezan is a worse scale
left hatch
its roughly on par with it
upper violet
and vita is just amazing
sick sentinel
im solo in mechagon now and i see why you could be confused about SR monsrosity
mild citrus
Thanks for your answers guys.
limpid pawn
Mechagon rings >>>>>>> vita or scale lol
limpid pawn
Fight me
stiff oracle
@sand turret just pop sr when hes casting, run into him, profit
oblique garnet
you have to do it before consume cast goes through
limpid pawn
I usually avoid the thing altogether, does reflecting that do damage?
oblique garnet
yes
limpid pawn
How much
oblique garnet
it does more damage to it than anything in the game
pretty much just soloes the mob
like 40% over time
stiff oracle
How are you not doing it before the cast is finished when you pop it when he casts ?
limpid pawn
This is the huge slime that drags you in right
stiff oracle
Yes
gilded tapir
You just take a couple of steps out, reflect then step back into the aoe
Just dont cross in/out or the debuff tries to reapply
amber siren
shouldnt need to step out
muted forge
Hey, i simmed on Raidbots but it doesnt seem right
470 Lurkers Piercing Gaze (haste/mastery)
465 Servant Splitter
both with r1 versatile, the splitter came out on top, guessing its to do with proc, but would i be better off with the raid wep? or does it not really matter
M+ tanking around 17
dapper fjord
Does ignore pain work against magic damage?
undone sun
yes
strong forum
for general use Ilvl always wins @muted forge only if you strictly want to parse ST Servant Splitter has a slight edge
for m+ ilvl is always the answer
muted forge
thought that was the case @strong forum but wanted to check with people, thanks(: is Force Multiplier still the enchant to go to?
strong forum
yup
night token
Hi, i'm tanking keys +20, i have My corruptions with tw3 tw1 and some versatiles , i want to know , why every top tank is now only with versatile and inefable t.
strong forum
muted forge
Versatile is needed/very useful for when you're taking huge amounts of non avoidable damage, which is why they stack it so ive been told
exotic spoke
BEcause it gives the defensives necessary to survive and also enables larger pulls.
upper violet
vers stacking is usually in high keys like 24+
theres a pin about it written in depth
muted forge
its very good^, the point at which u should stack versatile isnt bang on 25+ but its at least 20+ just however u are feeling
upper violet
yeah true
muted forge
but yea Mwahi knows his stuff haha
left hatch
Also you should invest in 2 IT 1‘s before the vers amps
muted forge
i thought you just needed 1x IT?
left hatch
nope, 2 of em
muted forge
2x rank 1s?
left hatch
mhm
night token
Rank 1 x2?
left hatch
yush
night token
Ok tysm
muted forge
but 1x2 = 2 pepeHands
sweet summit
i have 4x r2, 0x r1 
left hatch
rank 2 is less efficient
muted forge
any idea when they are coming on MOTHER?
sweet summit
no clue
night token
So twilight's it's no more need it?
left hatch
for 20's basically
left hatch
if you want a more defensive setup than 2 IT's and TD
an expedient > versa in the low 20's
provided you're confident in your play
versa is more forgiving of mistakes but point for point is less efficient DR than versa at that range, and it takes a lot of investment to make the amps worth it
upper violet
TD pulled a pack on JY that was kinda scary but idk it was a good grp that handled it well
fair iron
whats the current bis mainhand weapon for prot?
left hatch
@muted forge it should be back on reset
fair iron
is it one of the ones with special effects i.e servant splitter or just stats
left hatch
if they follow teh same pattern
strong forum
carapace mythic
muted forge
@left hatch IT rank 1?
sweet summit
m carapace mace
left hatch
yes
muted forge
ty
fair iron
thanksx
left hatch
Servent splitter/Fusion hacker (if you get a 475) is better for ST parse hunting, otherwise yeh carapce mace
muted forge
Cara mace is Lurkers Piercing Gaze right?
strong forum
ye
muted forge
sweet nice got that from the weekly mythics hahah
strong forum
well the mythic version is bis cuz 485 ilvl
sweet summit
its only 470 tho
halcyon coyote
do we shield block at all on 3rd and 4th motherlode boss?
sweet summit
for SS damage
left hatch
^
sweet summit
otherwise no
strong forum
no zomboy
muted forge
still better than what i had, i cant mythic raid atm bc of irl schedule
left hatch
the last boss there is teh same way
only thing blockable is his butt stomp
his AA's arn't
muted forge
can i link here?
sweet summit
link what?
muted forge
there was a spreadsheet i had that shows what abilities were shield blockable / spell reflectable
strong forum
well yeah, the one linked in #268491842637660160
sweet summit
yeah its in #268491842637660160
muted forge
ahh nice one 😄
halcyon coyote
ty all. another question. does "shield block" block every single melee attack? so any damage named as "melee" on Details?
so as long as it's up, none of that should go through
inland silo
block doesnt make it do 0 damage
left hatch
block stat also gives a random chance to block attacks when SB isn't up, but thats largely irrevelent to us
sweet summit
block is just a big damage reduction
left hatch
since you ideally don't want to be tanking without SB
sweet summit
parry/dodge is 0 damage taken
undone sun
block stat also gives a random chance to block attacks when SB isn't up, but thats largely irrevelent to us
@left hatch that's mastery %
left hatch
i thought mastery was a chance on successful block to block extra
undone sun
twofold
left hatch
gotcha
halcyon coyote
so a higher ilvl shield increases block chance, and higher mastery also does that
undone sun
shields give block rating
halcyon coyote
ooooooooooooh
sweet summit
ilvl on shield increases the amount of damage reduction
left hatch
yeh i was wrong about that point mb
severe swallow
whats a decent corruption setup for m+
left hatch
what key range
severe swallow
17-20
severe swallow
no versa amps?
sweet summit
there is a pin about corruptions in m+
left hatch
86 per .5% dr is smol
and it takes a decent amount of investment (gear swapping, gemming etc) to your base rating worth an amp
sweet summit
Up to +20: General rule is to stack Twilight Devastation for damage output. You do not need to stack Versatility amplifiers since the mobs will not be big enough of a threat
severe swallow
ye fuck that
left hatch
that being said Versa is more forgiving of mistakes than haste, since you still benefit from it if you like afk
dusky leaf
What's your biggest source of Rage gen? The 7.7-sec cooldown on Shield Slam seems way too long for me to keep Ignore Pain up as often as I'd like.
I'm only level 61 atm, so maybe I'll unlock something better later on (first time rolling Warr) but I can't seem to keep up enough Rage to get my mitigation as good as I'd like.
sweet summit
thunderclap
spec into Unstoppable Force on the level 45 row, and with avatar active you can clap a lot
modern brook
ss cd resets
inland silo
do your abilities not reset SS cd yet
modern brook
thats like the whole point of ur rotation
dusky leaf
Oh damn, so you're basically wanting to use Avatar on CD as much as possible huh
sweet summit
pretty much
sweet summit
once you get level 100 and unlock anger management you have it up a lot
dusky leaf
thats like the whole point of ur rotation
Like I said I'm new to this hahaha
left hatch
also 'keeping IP up' shouldn't be a priority
keeping SB up is the priority
IP is just icing on the cake
as a rage dump
modern brook
^
strong forum
TC, Revenge, Devastate all have a 30% chance to reset shield slam
dusky leaf
Ohhh noted!
modern brook
wit the obivous caveat of "if ur not taking blockable damage dont use sb 'cept as a dps increase"
ie: your cotank is current target, or vs 3rd boss in ML
dusky leaf
"Blockable" meaning not* spell damage right?
modern brook
meaning blockable
sweet summit
melee attacks mostly
modern brook
the exact opposite of spell damage mostly lol
#268491842637660160 has a list of what is and isnt blockable per isntance
in a google sheet - it might be titled spell reflect
sweet summit
thats mostly max level content tho
modern brook
i didnt see the lvl 61 thing
🤷♂️
honestly if u press sb 3 times per dungeon ur already better than vvery other tank ive had to heal while eveling my healers
dusky leaf
Damn I didn't expect you guys to be this helpful hahaha. Okay, sick!
So, notes from this is basically:
- SB > IP (prio) for general mitigation
- Avatar + TC on cd
- Pressy smashy make reset SS*
sweet summit
basically yeah
modern brook
also Demo shout on cd
dusky leaf
- Demo on CD
sweet summit
at what level can you talent into bolster?
dusky leaf
Already have it talented!
dusky leaf
It's 60 😄
sweet summit
noice
use bolster when you dont have any more SB charges
since bolster works like SB, 100% block chance
modern brook
Honestly rn its important to get in the habbit of ignoring sb during Last stand
cause the wrost thing u can do for ur survivability is stack SB and LS w/ bolster
dusky leaf
Something tells me I've been doing exactly that hahaha. I'll keep that in mind for sure!
Definitely a lot of moving parts to this. But it looks like it's a fun spec to get the hang of!
sweet summit
it is
dusky leaf
plus insta-queues kekw
sweet summit
tru
dusky leaf
Alright imma make some lemonade and spank some WotLK dungeons. Thanks!
upper violet
gl
sweet summit
have fun!
left hatch
and note that the kit doesn't really come together until lvl 100 when you get anger management
so if something feels janky
just wait (:
you'll be zooming in no time
sweet summit
🏃♂️ 💨
dusky leaf
Oh yeah! Last thing, anyone got a good WeakAura recommendation? I'd like to be able to, at least, see when my buffs are gonna fall off without having to take my eyes off the fight
sweet summit
afenar 😍
upper violet
just search wago untill u find one u like
modern brook
#268491842637660160 has a pile of was
still pagoda
https://www.wowhead.com/news=316430/plaguefall-shadowlands-alpha-dungeon-preview?webhook
Step into [Touch of Slime] to prevent the party from taking damage.
Fuck, soaking mechanics are back
muted forge
hey this sims just confused me, so wanted to ask here what you guys think
465 haste/vers belt + 475 boots with vers 1 is apparently better than:
470 vers/mast belt with socket (haste) w/ vers 1 and same 475 boots no corruption
strong forum
Well yeah
muted forge
why though, both sets have the corruption, so its a 465 belt > 470+socket
muted forge
yeah, i think theres only like a 100 haste difference or so
strong forum
Ye thats prolly it then
sick sentinel
i'm not convinced that running no buttons is helping yet, i went from like 45% up time on block to 18%
left hatch
stat weights can get reallllllllly weird
sick sentinel
on shieldblock
left hatch
takes an adjustment period
to get the muscle memory down
but binds give you way better reaction time than clicking
strong forum
Especially on a spec that has 72+ apm
And 2 rotational buttons off gcd
So you'd need to sometimes click SB + IP + SS simultaneously
And you can't do that while clicking
Will all come down to practice
upper violet
@sick sentinel you need a weakaura to show you when SB is up and its cd
helped me a lot on managing it
still pagoda
i had problem throughout all of Legion
constantly looking at the bottom of the screen where bars were
the only thing that helped fixing it was bar invisibility
burnt iron
ineffable truth is coming next week right? need to grab one on my warrior and i cant find the spreadsheet showing all dates for some reason
burnt iron
I thought the rotation was the same as last month?
main vault
No way to know until Friday really
burnt iron
you mean tuesday?
main vault
No
Tuesday only shows 1 week is accurate
Does not show a pattern
At the point the first two are right, you can make the assumption the overall pattern is correct
warm plinth
It is very likely to be a repeated pattern, mostly because it would be silly to do it another way. But as Nexii said, it's speculation at this point.
main vault
Technically, until the 7th rotation, you cant be 100% sure
burnt iron
alright but i guess if its following the same pattern IT will be next week along with expedient 3?
warm plinth
Yes
steep bone
Thing is IT 1 or 2
steep bone
Also how much is IT?
warm plinth
3300 for It1
burnt iron
it was 3300
steep bone
Corruption i mean*
warm plinth
12
burnt iron
12 for 1 and 30 for 2
steep bone
Damn ill be close to 50 then
main vault
keep going
burnt iron
i just have td4 and exp 1 on my warrior atm so i'll replace the exp1 with IT1 and be good, tis only an alt for random 15-20 keys nothing higher so
steep bone
Can i get cloak upgrade past 15 only once a week?
undone sun
...
steep bone
would you drop 5 ilvls on belt for leech? im seeing alot of people dropping 10ilvls now on most pieces for it but I'm not sure whats the situation for it
@inland bolt no
burnt iron
you cant upgrade cloak past 15, only corruption resist
steep bone
I mean yes that
steep bone
Oh whats current resistance?
burnt iron
86
steep bone
So im behind xd
undone sun
why are we going over this again @inland bolt
burnt iron
then yeah full clear vision and kill nzoth every week to get 6 res
main vault
Love this channel
upper violet
🤔
warm plinth
While the really high people have apparently been going for leech tertiary lately, it's still not advised to drop ilevel for it
undone sun
again, we've already been over this
steep bone
Maybe theyre just testing and that saves on rio/armoryV
upper violet
thyme wrap it up
warm plinth
As always if you have two same ilevel pieces and one has leech, use the leech
sharp rover
What enchant does prot run atm?
steep bone
Rings is another story
undone sun
rings have more lenience, but leech still isn't worth more than secondary stats
upper violet
@sharp rover force multi on wep haste on rings
sharp rover
Even if you're vers stacking?
steep bone
Wait why do i have quick navi on weap 
warm plinth
🤷
sharp rover
Probably because you were being cheap
warm plinth
It used to be the go-to, fwiw XD
main vault
the 460 hands are the only slot you can argue he gave up 5 illv
steep bone
I thought i took „go full haste” too hard
tame garden
steep bone
Id just ask naowh directly on his stream or some
main vault
fem has no gear under 465
they also are wearing perfectly statted gear
With perfect corruptions
sharp rover
@upper violet Force multi even if haste stacking?
burnt iron
all of these tanks would be dropping ilvl for vers anyway right since theres alot of the raid gear that doesn't have vers on it at 475 so they would use 465 haste/vers equivelant
main vault
He is not dropping on rings lol
On in mythic raid
A 465 with perfect stat beats a 475 with shit stats every single day
burnt iron
when you are pushing the level of keys the guys you are talking about are they are stacking vers so mythic items with no vers arent going to be used
so unless they get lucky caches ofc they drop ilvl
you can only use 1 nzoth ring though and all the tanks you mentioned are using it lol
burnt iron
ofc they aren't if the items from raids don't have vers?
main vault
Dont look at the chinese
steep bone
Just get items with vers 
main vault
they do crazy things
burnt iron
but its low stat vers, they probably want items with high stat vers
undone sun
verse doesn't directly affect leech, but the damage gained from verse is leeched
burnt iron
having a 465 item with high stat vers > 475 with low stat vers for these guys
weird, best thing to do is just wait for them to stream and ask them why then
they would usually explain
sharp rover
Crit/vers is fine though, right?
burnt iron
but honestly unless you are planning to push 25+ keys i wouldn't even worry about what they are doing lol
main vault
rip you
sweet summit
What is this crit amount you speak of?
sharp rover
Out of combat my stats are pretty balanced except for haste, which is ~900 points ahead
If you're vers heavy, is bloodthirsty urchin better than dragonscale?
I don't have psychic shell and I've got no idea when or if I'll get one
sweet summit
So uhhh how is prism compared to urching at 455 🤔
Hopefully soon 😂
Its gonna happen one day
I can feel it
sharp rover
I'm not alch so I can't make that. Which pvp trinket?
sweet summit
I dont know where this crit cap comes from
Thats just the 3x sb back to back cap thing
Yea
undone sun
It's an irrelevant breakpoint, mentioning breakpoints in stat priorities causes an unnecessary fixation towards it
main vault
^
severe swallow
does the firste Templar in Shrine of Storm still bolster if you trap him?
main vault
You have to trap him away and pull into door
if youre not playing like a monkey you only need about 20-22% haste
@inland bolt
Thats says you need 20-22%
undone sun
still irrelevant
don't mention it
It's an irrelevant breakpoint, mentioning breakpoints in stat priorities causes an unnecessary fixation towards it
@undone sun
sweet summit
Sap/dh incap is out of combat CC
Anyither CC might get him in combat and bolster if he is in range @severe swallow
severe swallow
@sweet summit thx
undone sun
there is no agenda
main vault
but do you need that?
undone sun
no
undone sun
look who's talking
main vault
of all fucking people
warm plinth
main vault
This guy
still pagoda
MOAR HASTE
undone sun
praising streamers
dropping for leech
still pagoda
HASTE FOR THE HASTE GOD
main vault
Leech, haste caps, certain amounts of crit
But fuck guys
dont spread misinformation
steep bone
U run td up to 23 and then u start going vers corruption?
sweet summit
depends
main vault
You need that amount to hit that breakpoint
undone sun
it's not really black and white
sweet summit
you as a player
main vault
You dont need that amount to do content
sweet summit
if you are comfortable enough to keep TD
steep bone
Assuming You arent absolute potato
sweet summit
or if you feel like you need the vers
main vault
Well tbh, most of what you say is bullshit, so Im fine with that
undone sun
but if you're pushing for keys, that's kind of a given @steep bone
ok
we're assuming now
steep bone
Lets say 23-24
undone sun
really doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, theory isn't 100% based off practice
main vault
I mean since we are just making up caps @stiff oracle
undone sun
i guarantee you 99% of theorycrafters aren't top pushers or rank1 parsers
but i'm also not a theorycrafter
steep bone
Any theorycrafter to speak up right now?
main vault
Almost like feelycrafting Leech
sweet summit
@ionic fern 👋
undone sun
that's fine though, you keep spreading misinformation because you have little contest, <@&257983573498265600> isn't going to stop you
steep bone
Proofs?
main vault
The 4 people he looked at is proof
steep bone
Give names
steep bone
Those are being watched by countless of clueless people or weekend players
sweet summit
who is nerk?
upper violet
maybe he means nerf
sweet summit
oh
oblique garnet
steep bone
Wait im confused
main vault
Now, if you went to them, and got actual information, that would be different
Which is what was suggested
main vault
but just saying "I saw this its good"
main vault
Man, 100% avoidance bis
steep bone
Yo, just ask them personally and quote it here
main vault
Who shit talked any of them?
forest egret
how low can you get shield blocks recharge rate with haste stacking?
undone sun
theoretically CDR from haste goes past the gcd cap at 100%, so quite low @forest egret
main vault
No, we want you to go get actual information
Having discussions and etc is fine, but if you want to bring a theory, you have to also prove it
steep bone
You’re assuming stuff based on what u see they’re equipping without actually asking them why is that and now you keep going with your stuff?
main vault
the lovely part about the scientific method, is new ideas need to be proved, unless you can disprove the currently accepted
Neither have been done
steep bone
I mean leech won’t protect you from being one shot or I’m wrong?
main vault
that dropping ilvl for leech is good
oblique garnet
Leech wasnt as strong last season as it is this season since your damage numbers werent high enough before
undone sun
Leech is the only meme for us.
Vers isn't a bad option tho if you have enough corruption to pull it off.
99.9% of the people won't benefit from it enough tho.
@ionic fern
upper violet
detective thyme
main vault
now, again, if you actually went to these players to get information, and then brought that information, it would be addressed differently
steep bone
I just realized thyme is using avatar from Ed edd eddy, my fav cartoon
main vault
Man, he has had that same avatar for like, since discord came out lol
steep bone
I came here recently
upper violet
its iconic you see than u think thyme
main vault
Father Thyme
upper violet
ive never watched the cartoon so when i see that picture i think about thyme
warm plinth
Seems odd that Shawruss and Rainon disagree with so many things said here, yet they're still here instead of asking the people they're emulating why they do what they do. It's clear that we can't offer them anything, and yet they keep returning.
main vault
Some people just wanna argue instead of actually getting information
Dick riding is a hard life
You stay sore
blazing dune
Why can't we all just be friends :)
warm plinth
Why are you mad, a question asked that will 100% result in a productive conclusion
undone sun
¯_(ツ)_/¯
warm plinth
Because Shawruss and Rainon don't come in here unless it's to stir up shit, frankly Vel
I did. Though I really didn't need to. You don't talk in here unless it's to back up Shawruss after he asks a question and doesn't like the answer.
main vault
Show me where someone suggested a low haste build
Dont worry, Ill wait
Show me
I said you dont NEED it
Not that it was good, or suggested
steep bone
Why would someone ever suggest low haste where haste is love 
main vault
absolute fucking morons
upper violet
keyboard warriors
blazing dune
Well, this is certainly not a productive convo at all
steep bone
Didnt they just said that crit vers piece is fine?
undone sun
👏
still pagoda
what happened?
warm plinth
Hallelujah, our savior has come
sick sentinel
Versa in 1 week Guys! 🙂 time to sawp TD to Vers :>
steep bone
Did u ban
main vault
We dont talk about 🔨
undone sun
🙊
upper violet
🔨
warm plinth
🙊
main vault
Hopefully
lofty widget
Do we know the full corruption vendor list now? For future weeks i mean
steep bone
Ok so now Real questions from potato - me. When do we sb do we use it again right before buff expires or do we let it drop?
sweet summit
sometimes its better to let it drop for a second because a boss or mob is starting a cast in a second or two
main vault
Up to 24? or is it different for war
warm plinth
It's 3x casts, so it'd be 18
steep bone
Oh so it doesnt really matter if i use it with 2s left
main vault
Right
sweet summit
no
sweet summit
yeah
main vault
Cause he wont melee during most of them
sweet summit
i like to use raal as an example here
main vault
So you are just wasting uptime at that point
steep bone
I used to save for shark tornado to ignore his channel
And keep dpsing
Dunno if its right tho
main vault
that works in lower keys
steep bone
I mean on low keys it doesnt matter
main vault
But for higher, would not suggest lol
warm plinth
Yeah it's generally not great practice to spam it, depending on the situation. Like if you're tanking Rezan for example, there's no reason for you to use Shield Block during his Pursuit, so you don't want to overcast it prior to the Pursuit and have all but 1 second of it wasted, for example.
steep bone
But id rather learn good habbits
fierce juniper
hello everyone can we all be friends pls ty
warm plinth
Only friends remain Marok
sweet summit
hello marok i am big fan
upper violet
no marok
main vault
Marok Green!
upper violet
you've been ditching too much
steep bone
My muscle memory uses it even if im not actively tanking
main vault
yeah gotta break that
warm plinth
I'm guilty of that as well
main vault
tbh I have the same issue sometimes with things like Ironfur
warm plinth
You gotta notice you're doing it and stop XD
steep bone
I could use revenge instead
main vault
Yes
warm plinth
It's just hard on a warrior to not press anything since it's such a fast-paced spec, so sometimes you really really wanna press it even when your brain says not to lol
left hatch
also (idk if they mentioned it) but in cases you can't have 100% uptime on SB, its better to have 1s drops here and there by spacing out usage
rather than having 3s back to back
make your healer shit themselves a bit less
steep bone
And when im charging into pack sometimes i find myself insta dropping dangerously low, i assume that i should preemptively use some cd before right?
left hatch
can also help that downtime with stuns/kiting
sweet summit
avarat prepull, and sb mid charge
steep bone
Fuck auto correct
left hatch
avatar+intercept give enough rage for SB
if you're doing pulls out of shroud (like last season it was a thing on first pull in ML to shroud into a giga pul) you gotta open with LS sometimes
warm plinth
And make sure you're not charging at a mob that's in the middle of the pack, because otherwise you risk putting mobs at your back, and you can't block from behind.
main vault
you do have a second before you take a melee
left hatch
just so you guerentee SB
steep bone
What about belf racial, does it worth gcd for that rage if I’m not going to have to use it to purge something?
left hatch
racial isn't really worth the rage (at least imo its not)
steep bone
And make sure you're not charging at a mob that's in the middle of the pack, because otherwise you risk putting mobs at your back, and you can't block from behind.
@warm plinth that I didn’t pay attention to, good point
sweet summit
i use torrent instead of devastator sometimes
warm plinth
Like if you have Shield Block up going into a pack, you really shouldn't be spiking. That's almost 100% you taking unblocked melees
So you're either out of position and getting hit in the back, or you didn't have block/LS up
Especially important for packs like the laborer pulls in ML, where if you take 3 unblocked throw wrenches you're probably dead
steep bone
If it’s about positioning I’m doing everything to not move too much but round mobs up and have everything in front for that juicy TD damage
warm plinth
Yeah
sharp night
if tc and ss are on cd then torrent is pretty good, it's 15 rage for a gcd tbh but i just forget to use it because i default to keeping it for dispel
steep bone
But when I’m approaching well sometimes I spike
warm plinth
It's fairly easy to remedy. If you're going to charge into a pack, charge like...a perimeter mob, if that makes sense
steep bone
Basically frontline mob
warm plinth
If you're pulling multiple packs, just position accordingly and don't run through packs
main vault
the idea is, once you start combat and you are in melee, their swing timer starts
If you charge to the middle, the ones you just went past will back melee
warm plinth
Right
steep bone
If you're pulling multiple packs, just position accordingly and don't run through packs
@warm plinth then im usually leaping to second pack and i drag it to closer one - if i know i wont need it for kiting
main vault
If you charge to the front mobs, at worst their melee is to the front, but they also dont have extra time to charge swing timer
warm plinth
If possible, you're better off using like heroic throw or something to grab the back pack. Having to come back through a pack is super risky
left hatch
Vivv have you figured out the sideways strafe run thing? so you can run full speed away from mobs while technically still facing them?
steep bone
what about snapping, theyre speaking all around me
left hatch
its a pretty big QoL thing for chain pulling
steep bone
Yeah i always do that, never backpedal
left hatch
mmk gud
main vault
Backpedaling is fine for a tank
warm plinth
He's referring to like...if you have to move away from mobs
main vault
Turning your back isnt
left hatch
yeh, its just ppl that just full sprint away
warm plinth
You strafe instead of turn and run
left hatch
and get smacked in the back
main vault
so if you pull mob 1, leap to 2, then have to turn back to 1 to charge back
warm plinth
Because "in front" is any area in the front 180 degrees of your toon, so if you strafe, you can still block as long as it's straight away from the mob
main vault
thats when you get hit in the dick
steep bone
Like on tank buster
left hatch
shouldn't need to rotate
if you doing the strafe run thing it counts as 'in front' of you
for skill usage
main vault
I thought front was like 270
steep bone
Thats my habit from kiting mobs as mage and scortching as not always cast got off
warm plinth
Hmm, is it? I know mobs are flat 180 for sure, since otherwise you wouldn't be able to attack dragon bosses without getting parried or tail whipped
left hatch
another thing you can do to help spiking on pull, is opening with SW
(shockwave)
not doable in super high keys where stun DR is a factor
but at least the keys i do up to
steep bone
Need that to stop things tho, pugs refuses to kick many times
main vault
I really thought for mobs, front is the reverse 90
main vault
But I dont play melee so
nimble brook
hey guys, can mobs rooted by conflict melee other players that are closer to the mob than the tank?
main vault
Yeah, root doesnt stop attacks
main vault
If you still have threat it shouldnt
nimble brook
gotcha, yeah I realized that in a tol dagor the other day
steep bone
Well thats good partion of valuable info, thanks
sweet summit
some abilities hit the closest target if tank is out of range
like shieldbearers in atal
main vault
yeah for suire
nimble brook
healer got melee'd but I had aggro
sweet summit
the shield slam or whatever
left hatch
remember you also have other tools for interrupt, one often overlooked (including by me lmfao) is the fear shout
main vault
depends on ability
left hatch
i almost never use it but i should
nimble brook
hmm interesting
steep bone
What about last boss in Ml, when i drag it to Safe spot sometimes he refuses to move and hes shooting me
Or Safe spot isnt the best idea
ionic fern
main vault
left hatch
he takes his sweet ass time sometimes
still pagoda
@ionic fern some bullshit and bans on 2 peeps
steep bone
Literally i got blamed today for making healer die to cannon cuz boss moved too close to marker, and im like dude this guy refuses to move
sweet summit
left hatch
❤️
still pagoda
main vault
If your healer died to not moving, in the end that is him
left hatch
always coming in here and using advice to actively improve as a player
smfh
who does that
steep bone
Well we pointed that out and he ragequit mid fight
left hatch
IMAGINE progressing from 10's to 20's in a month
upper violet
sweet summit
main vault
damn vendor
upper violet
i progressed from 11s to 15 in a week or so
left hatch
idk dude, cases like you are the exact reaso ni think this discord works and is a good thing
upper violet
not huge but its been long since ive actually tried
steep bone
I mean i thought my 466 is too low for „higher” keys, but with your help im really not having many issues tanking 16-17s, usually it turned out that people arent interrupting or ccing in any way
left hatch
and isn't a 'shitty toxic echo chamber' like some ppl would consider it 😛
sweet summit
left hatch
im glad we can help ppl like you become better
sweet summit
steep bone
I mean getting that „gj tank” at the end of dung gives that positive feeling inside
warm plinth
@steep bone https://www.twitch.tv/videos/647397178?t=00h56m49s This is our 21 ML we just did. You can see when I turn around back toward the entrance where my tank is. As long as you come back in before the boss himself moves out of the arena, it won't reset.
left hatch
you can pull him a little further out than you do
sweet summit
what are all those green bars
left hatch
as long as he doesn't touch that middle staircase landing
he can be entirely on that top stairwell and be fine
warm plinth
Nameplates for the neutral random mobs
sweet summit
oh i see
warm plinth
Yeah, we just don't like to push our luck Morrison :p
left hatch
yeh i feel you
steep bone
Where bombs can land i assume
left hatch
last i did was a quaking week with all melee and a MW
warm plinth
Bombs can't land on the stairs
left hatch
so i wanted the extra space lol
warm plinth
That's why you tank him there (or at one of the other safe spots)
steep bone
Wait, i thought Safe spot is left bottom corner
warm plinth
There's like 5 safe spots
left hatch
theres 4 safe spots
sweet summit
there are more than 1
left hatch
the stairs are the biggest
steep bone
Which one is the best
warm plinth
I like the stairs because it's a very obvious visual cue
left hatch
for boss position stairs and you have ranged stand out on the others
to bait out hte missile
steep bone
On the one i mentioned sometimes its impossible to dodge cannon but that’s my wrong positioning
warm plinth
Tell them to suck it up
steep bone
Missile on grevious with pug healers
warm plinth
That's actually a fair point 😂
steep bone
me using more hp pots than battle pots
warm plinth
So then yeah you tank him on stairs (or wherever) and the ranged stands on another safe spot
That way only the ranged gets hit by missile
steep bone
I’ll have to try it on m0
warm plinth
Yeah, I can't remember whose run it was but someone had a vod of ML where they had their entire party all standing on a different safe spot
steep bone
I mean if ur mage u can just pop shield when it’s going off and it basically neglect its damage
warm plinth
So you could see them all
left hatch
yeh but
pugs using defensives
omegalul
better to just stand in stuff and ddie and blame healer
than pop Evasion
steep bone
I had to give some healing pots and food because I’m like dude eat we are all at 5 stack with healer sweating his ass with 5% mana
oblique garnet
Ghash you have cleaned your ui a bit good job
undone sun
exotic spoke
Hes a qtpie
warm plinth
Oh, yeah. I hid my action bars again
I don't actually remember why I had them on for a while
warm plinth
Honestly, I never played a PC game before WoW, but I've never been a clicker
Outside of like...clicking my mount or hearthstone anyway
left hatch
i clicked all but my core rotation until early legion
warm plinth
Well, I played a couple PC games but nothing that really used keybindings
left hatch
and slowly bound... everything
steep bone
Oof I’m using opie for mounts food etc
left hatch
last to be bound was pots and that just got done last tier
warm plinth
I use OPie for my mount, but I still click food/flask