protection

[left hatch]

gg

[mystic finch]

@sick sentinel place your bars in a place that would make it uncomfortable to click them or turn them off so you don't see them

thanks a lot, @sweet summit !

[sick sentinel]

what if, i have been a clicker since vanilla

am i doomed? can't pvp for crap either

[inland silo]

doesnt matter how long its been

theres no secret to it

[sick sentinel]

what about making all buttons click through?

[inland silo]

just mess with your binds until it feels comfortable to you

[upper violet]

[sick sentinel]

that thing is a bear?

[left hatch]

if you wanna get literal

[sick sentinel]

bah, nvm, i have alot to think about..

[left hatch]

its sully from Monsters inc with a green filter on him

i think

[upper violet]

Its the blue guys's face photoshopped onto the green guy's face

Dont remember the names

[left hatch]

ahh sully and mike

[sick sentinel]

problem i'm having is i'm not super comfortable with certain cooldowns, so i panic click and make bad mistakes then

[left hatch]

i mean thats not really anything to do with keybinds vs clicking

if you panic hit, you'll still panic hit it if its bound

binding just makes reaction time better

[tame garden]

just hide your bars

cant click

[upper violet]

I dont hide bars because sometimes i forget some of my binds like LS SW demo etc

[tame garden]

[upper violet]

I redid some of them recently

[strong forum]

boosted my rsham to r1 on server

special olympics yey

[tame garden]

[still pagoda]

gratz

so basically R1 EU?

[mystic finch]

[strong forum]

na

luka is bigger dick

luka is 5k

[limber gull]

when does vendor reset?

[strong forum]

in like 3-4 hrs

on NA

[limpid pawn]

5.5 hours from now

[limber gull]

ight good

just making sure i got enough time to farm1 more wound

for my dh

[patent falcon]

what about war prot in 2s and 3s ?

[strong forum]

anything thats not dps or healer doesnt belong in pvp

[idle bone]

Hey guys, do I've been tanking normal for a couple weeks but I've noticed I take like some major spike damage when I get up to ra-den - n'zoth, what talents yall use or is there any specific stats to use?

[strong forum]

period

[limpid pawn]

Holy fuuu how are you all poor as prot warriors lol

It’s the best class to carry on

[sick sentinel]

You can carry on any class

[limpid pawn]

But hardest on prot war

[sick sentinel]

huh

[strong forum]

now youre contradicting yourself

[limpid pawn]

Me?

[strong forum]

yes

[limpid pawn]

How

[strong forum]

you said thats prot is the best class to carry on

[limpid pawn]

Oh I meant you can carry the “hardest” meaning best

[strong forum]

but then you said its the hardest

[limpid pawn]

Like hard as in effective, not difficult lol

“He’s a hard motherfucker”

[sick sentinel]

boomer logic

[limpid pawn]

Mikes hard lemonade

[strong forum]

[upper violet]

I get u man

Like when u say

Hard carried

Doesnt always mean it was hard to carry

Just that the carry was massive

[jovial ice]

hey guys, quick question, if you intervene some1 on eudora or first boss fh, do you take the dmg from the shots?

[sharp night]

on eudora you can block the powder shots entirely if you intervene the target

but the grapeshot and first boss azerite shot you'll just get shot in addition to your target

[stone lodge]

460 vita or 475 scale ?

[sweet summit]

vita

[stone lodge]

is 475 vial worth it ? compared to vita 460 + scale 475 ?

[left hatch]

only for damage

and even then you have to manage it manually

so its annoying

[stone lodge]

hmm kk ty 🙂

[sick sentinel]

What corruptions are up US now?

[main vault]

Same as 3 days ago

[sick sentinel]

Wasn't the next rotation today?

[main vault]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

O.o

[main vault]

In 4.5 hours

[sick sentinel]

oh ok ty ^^

Keep forgetting about the time difference, thought it was less of a time differential xD but ty nexii

[sage needle]

is my 475 Fusion hacker better to have on instead of my 465 Faralos?

[still pagoda]

Yes

Searing flames is meh

[sage needle]

stats are bis tho?

[still pagoda]

Amount is not

Ilvl matters the most on the weapon and shield

[sage needle]

ok thank you 🙂

[still pagoda]

Fusion hacker affix is pretty neat for single target too

[sage needle]

okay thank you 🙂

[halcyon coyote]

hi guys. starting to prot war here, doing low +5 keys

if i keep shield block up for as long as possible and use cds

am i fine

[warm plinth]

Effective uptime is more important than general uptime. e.g. you should only press Shield Block when you're taking blockable damage for the most part in keys.

Fill gaps in Shield Block with Last Stand (assuming you have Bolster talented like you should), stuns, or Shield Wall

Make sure you aren't using Shield Block while Last Stand is active.

@ionic fern I'm big kid now. 5-masked on my warrior

First try

[still pagoda]

Kek

Gonna try pushing into 20-21 territory tomorrow evening

Got kinda organised group now

[sick sentinel]

just run in there

[still pagoda]

"kinda"

[sick sentinel]

push shield block

20 in time

[still pagoda]

Technically me picking up 2k rio guildie holy pala and seeing him pump

Having a stable guildie healer is better than having a pug

20 in time
@sick sentinel

The biggest roadblock i had were pugs

Now i think it will go really fast into good keys

[sick sentinel]

Huh

Pugs are fine

just get good ones

🤔

Pugging your way up is not as hard as people think

just use your coms and it becomes extremely easy

and it's your experience + their experience in combo that ints 20s

shouldn't always blame it on them

and also hpal damage is pushing wings, push one button and then you're doing insane damage with good gear

doesn't mean he's good mechanically

also yuck

hpal in general

[still pagoda]

To me... I've seen too many 3k+ rio pugs doing bullshit and got burned out of pugging by this week

and also hpal damage is pushing wings, push one button and then you're doing insane damage with good gear

I'm talking overall performance and not just big dam

[sick sentinel]

seeing him pump

means damage

[still pagoda]

They guy really knows what to do with his class and was mostly afraid of healing keys higher than 16(dunno why)

But yeah, my bad with phrasing

[main vault]

Doesn’t always mean damage

People use pump for heals all the time

[late dawn]

what is a good co-tank to synergize with prot in raid?

[still pagoda]

Anything

[main vault]

At this point it doesn’t matter

[uneven helm]

does avatar remove stacks on wrathion mythic?

[still pagoda]

Yes

[uneven helm]

it should right since it slows?

[still pagoda]

It soes

[uneven helm]

ok cool

[ivory light]

https://i.imgur.com/u9cc4ZE.png does this seem like decent essence setup for +15 grinding? only essences ive got for prot atm, but, if not, what should i work on getting/buy from vendor

[left hatch]

anima is awful

[uneven helm]

another question why does everyone go crucible on logs?

[warm plinth]

Because it's the best single target DPS essence for a prot warrior

[ivory light]

alright, had anima just cause wasnt sure on 3rd since CNS is only r2 lol, will probably replace it with Aegis for now, until i get nullification most likely

[warm plinth]

Pretty much any essence you can think of would be better than anima

[left hatch]

Null is really niche in M+

[uneven helm]

there aren't any shenanigans with using it on yourself right?

[left hatch]

pick up r1 of sphere

until you get CnS r3

[warm plinth]

No, it's used for damage

[ivory light]

i could get r3 sphere easily i think, ive already got tactician from farming BoTE

[uneven helm]

i'm pretty behind on tanking trying to get into it a bit more which essences would you recommend for a pleb such as i?

[left hatch]

grab that then until you get r3 CnS

[uneven helm]

for a couple of mythic bosses

[left hatch]

and you're guchi

[warm plinth]

R3 C&S is bae

[left hatch]

for raid or M+ hella?

[still pagoda]

People use pump for heals all the time
@main vault this is what i meant in the first place. Seen so many terrible healers this week that i decided to pick up a guildie right after the first raid night on Wednesday(i've done a bit of 3s with him for cap on Monday, literally on the first day of my existence in the guild) and end endless problems of pug gambling

[uneven helm]

raid

[ivory light]

yeah, im just waiting on CNS atm

[still pagoda]

Seriously, no matter the rio, pugs are pure fucking gambling

[uneven helm]

m+ isn't a big of a deal i am not pushing or anything but can actively tank up to 18s fairly easily

[still pagoda]

And i'm done with this shit

[left hatch]

VoP, Null, Formless Void, CnS/Lucid for raid

[still pagoda]

CoF

[left hatch]

if you feel comfy CoF, Null, CnS, Formless

for st

[remote anchor]

is the junkyard shield good?

[left hatch]

if its your highest ilvl

otherwise no

[still pagoda]

Or CoF major + Null, CnS and VoP minors for general use in raid

[remote anchor]

have 455 atal one and 465junk

[still pagoda]

VoP minor more so for utility and def/offence balance

[left hatch]

junkyard then

[remote anchor]

ty good sir

[uneven helm]

do i stack vers?

[left hatch]

no

Haste gems/chants

[uneven helm]

and about corruption i'm pretty full expedient heavy since i am dpsing mostly

[still pagoda]

[left hatch]

2 IT 1's and an expedient if you want defensives

otherwise TD

[still pagoda]

do i stack vers?

This question should die at that point

[uneven helm]

is the 2 IT 1s huge? i only got 1

[left hatch]

yes

[still pagoda]

Even one IT1 is great

[left hatch]

you do'nt really need it for raid but its still very helpful

and can ensure shit like SR is up for.. every wrathion breath for instance

[ripe shale]

if it procs

[left hatch]

yeh buts its a hasted 1ppm irrc

so its fairly consistent

[uneven helm]

trinkets i am guessing wrathion mythic and vita should be fine

[left hatch]

mhm

[sharp night]

IT isn't hasted

any non-damage corruptions are just static rppm

it would be incredibly broken (moreso than it already is) if it were

[sick sentinel]

I don't know if i should also put this in the UI channel, but the goal here is #1 to get rid of clicking habit

so i need to get comfortable with keybinds, and see how these ones are bad, that type of thing.

[warm plinth]

You have a bar addon?

Like bartender or something

[sick sentinel]

BT4

[sharp night]

tell it to hide your bars in combat

that's what i do

[warm plinth]

^

[sharp night]

all my bars disappear as soon as combat starts

[sick sentinel]

should i practice that on a low key first or something?

[sharp night]

i just practice on a dummy for a bit

and then jump into real content

[still pagoda]

The WA you're using is pretty horrible IMO

[sharp night]

if i forget a hotkey

then i figure it out after the pull

"oh i should have used this button"

[still pagoda]

All my bars are invisible anyway

[sharp night]

but i learn best in high pressure situations

[sick sentinel]

i thought it was going to show the IP amount

[still pagoda]

Afenar's, Khakhan's, Ipse's(if you have a shitton of space)

All good

[warm plinth]

However you're comfortable learning is how you should do it. If you need the keybindings visible to learn what to press, then you should. If you can do it without having them visible, that's probably better since there's no temptation to click because you can't click

[still pagoda]

This monstrosity you have here is bad

[sharp night]

one way you can fix it

is to edit all your WAs

to show keybind text

so it'll be there if you need it

[sick sentinel]

the wa was a random one i got

[sharp night]

but you can't click

[still pagoda]

https://wago.io/Afenar_Warrior

[sick sentinel]

so, get rid of the bars and then put the keybinds on the WA and then go off that?

[still pagoda]

I use this one personally

[sharp night]

i have my bars extra tiny and hidden off in a corner and they only show out of combat

if you need the keybinds to remind you then i'd put them on the WA so you don't get tempted to click

i just run with no keybinds and figure it out but that's because it works for me

[still pagoda]

https://wago.io/FDsbAQapn

Also... UwU

[sick sentinel]

what do you think it should look like, compared to how it is now?

gotta drop this click shit

[warm plinth]

@sick sentinel You abandoning me?

[sharp night]

honestly it's hard to say, everyone has diff ui that works for them

you just have to experiment

[sick sentinel]

boy, that's gunna freak me out at first no buttons to click

i'm making basic WA just text for reminders ATM :S

[cursive burrow]

Oh man I'm thinking back to HS spam days and how you could even play clicking back then....

[warm plinth]

Well back in the day, Heroic Strike was on your next melee attack and there was no normalized attack speed so you had lots of time to move your mouse if you were so inclined 😂

[sick sentinel]

it's still , but i'm going to have the actual bars hide, and use the reminders

[main vault]

My god what is that WA

[warm plinth]

No bully Nexii!

[sick sentinel]

uhh good question

https://wago.io/F0B71BYwP

i'm a clicker, and i was shamed for it the other day, so i must find some way to rid my self of this curse

[warm plinth]

Hey catfriend broke the clicker habit, you can too

[sick sentinel]

that's why all the letters are around it

button reminders, since gotta totally memorize

is one of the issues buttons too big?

[warm plinth]

It's your UI dude

No one else has to like it or use it except you

[fair iron]

Can anyone tell me best m+ essences for prot rq im aware theyre probably somewhere but imma fatass

[sick sentinel]

Lucid major or CNS major, vision if you're doing like 15s or less ors omething. CNS Minor, Lucid minor, Formless/Warden Sphere and Aegis on teeming

[fair iron]

awesome thanks

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys. I have a 460 Vita / 475 Rezan's Eye / 470 Lingering Shell /w Socket. What 2 should I use for M+ or does it change based on what im doing?

I also do like heroic nya clears with a few mythic bosses

N'zoth and rezan's

actually I don't know, vita might sim more

but def use lingering

like in all scenarios?

ye, it's very good

just make sure to use it on CD

or well I guess if you're doing like 15s it won't matter much but lingering is still good

probably last you a lot more since it's lower key too

yea im not really pushing keys. I guess I just need to decide between the otehr 2

[main vault]

So what I would suggest, to rid yourself of being a shitter

Is to bind 1-2 buttons at a time

Say bind Shield Block and Shield Slam

Get used to that, then move on

If you try to do all at once, you will just overwhelm yourself, and either miss tons of casts figuring out what button to press, or get hit in the dick a lot doing the same

[misty steeple]

is vop major good in m+

[grand drum]

Theres a pin on this. Yes, but as you push higher other essences will be a better choice

[misty steeple]

checkin pin thanks

[valid sundial]

Does Reckless Flurry still work for prot in 8.3?

[sick sentinel]

ye it does just people don't really do it

https://prnt.sc/syufm3

big vers

without procs

[misty steeple]

i have anima, cns, dynamo, lucid dreams, vop all r3, and sphere of suprresion, strength of warden, touch of everlasting r2

what would you use in m+?

[sick sentinel]

what level of keys

[misty steeple]

10-13

i already have 40% base haste, 15% vers fwiw

[sick sentinel]

I'd just do vision major

Cns minor, lucid minor

here, this is what i wanted to do.

and warden

[misty steeple]

ya i usually that setup, not sure on best last.

okay cool

[sick sentinel]

so if i go to combat, bars go away.

[chilly brook]

LMAO TD1 is 6250

[icy harness]

Wasn't it 5000

[main vault]

No it’s been 6250 since the very first example costs they put out

[icy harness]

D:

Well it makes sense but still

F

[main shoal]

I have td 2 and td 1 should i get another td 1?

[cursive burrow]

I bought 2 waiting for my corruption resistance to go up.

[icy harness]

Get like 5 more

Lol

[cursive burrow]

I'm already sitting at TD4 and 1 Expedient. Will get IT on Tuesday

Be good for a few weeks

[main shoal]

I have 3 exp cuz of arms lol

59haste with into the fray xD

[sick sentinel]

Is the Prot discord civil war over yet?

[icy harness]

What's the civil war again

[sick sentinel]

It's about twilight devastation vs versatility(+Ineffible truth)

there's no civil war

[tame garden]

td is chad

[icy harness]

It's quite simple

[sick sentinel]

vers if you're pushing high keys

td if you're not

[icy harness]

Hi speg

[sick sentinel]

ez

Honestly I just don't want to be left out, all those other specs gained 50% power because of the shop

[icy harness]

Td under 20

[tame garden]

hi vynnir

[left hatch]

yeh theres no 'civil war' on it

either you're in content you need versa

or you're not

[sick sentinel]

Yeah except the constant infighting

[icy harness]

♿

[left hatch]

literally 0 infighting

[icy harness]

Just play fury

[sick sentinel]

Fury plays vers build too

[tame garden]

people just disagree at what level you ""need"" vers

[left hatch]

if you need it you need it

[icy harness]

If you're dying you need it lul

[left hatch]

if you don't theres better options defensively

[sick sentinel]

But I'm just wondering

Does th versa it build work at lower keys too

[tame garden]

ofc

[sick sentinel]

Or do I need to buy twilight dev for lower keys

[left hatch]

well its a game, using ravager works at lower keys lol

[tame garden]

youll just do less dps than a td build

[left hatch]

'work's

[sick sentinel]

Td is just so expensive

[tame garden]

well td5 is 25k

[left hatch]

if you feel like you need defensives though and are in a lower than say... 23/24 bracket

[tame garden]

vers 15 is also 25k

[left hatch]

you'll get a lot more outta 2 IT1's an an expedient

[sick sentinel]

playing vers build is also expensive

[left hatch]

and the 2 IT1's transwer into the versa build anyway

esp since you need to invest in specific gear, gems and chants to make it worthwhile

[tame garden]

also need to have vers pieces in every slot ideally

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/syuu8r

vers spec Kappa

[left hatch]

while expedients work on our baseline kit

given we already (should at least) have haste on most slots and haste trinkets

[icy harness]

Searing flames pogchamp

[left hatch]

nah he recorrupted it

[sick sentinel]

it's vers

[icy harness]

Figured

[sick sentinel]

🤔

[icy harness]

What's the other corruption

[sick sentinel]

Vers

[icy harness]

so you put in socketed items just to flex :^)

[sick sentinel]

not really

It's going to be my set

Doesn't vers also increase damage or is that not a lot

literally in 2 days

[icy harness]

Running - 60 corruption

[sick sentinel]

🤔

[left hatch]

its not enough to be a consideration

itll never be competitive with TD

[icy harness]

2 days and I might be a millionaire

[left hatch]

as far as damage is concerned

[icy harness]

But remember

This time next year

We'll be millionaires

[sick sentinel]

Dps dps is so high nowadays though

[tame garden]

how many echos u got @sick sentinel

[unborn ore]

ugh decisions decisions. Should I got for echoing void or rank 1 TD (both at vendor right now_

[sick sentinel]

17k

[tame garden]

[sick sentinel]

Echoing void lul

[left hatch]

EV isn't worth it anymore

[icy harness]

ECHOING VOID OMEGALUL

[sick sentinel]

Echoing void is the only corruption without a niche use

Maybe searing flames too

[left hatch]

its roughyl on par with TD in just ST, so theres no point going after something thats only ok in a fraction of the cases

[unborn ore]

so echoing void is shit?! oO

[icy harness]

Yes.

[unborn ore]

well good thing i asked

i guess ill buy 3 rank 1 TD

who knows when rank 3 will be up again

[sick sentinel]

Why did they nerf it so much

[left hatch]

3.. weeks? i think

and because it was a consistent option that was performing better than anything else in every sitatuion

they wanted it to be a jack of all trades master or none type trait instead of excelling in everything

so they nerfed it till it was meh basically everywhere

[sick sentinel]

Yeah that's fair but a but overkill

[icy harness]

Meanwhile TD still great on singletarget

[sick sentinel]

Guys which healer works better for us

[icy harness]

Paladin

[sick sentinel]

Holy pala or druid

[icy harness]

[sick sentinel]

You sure?

[icy harness]

Depends on the player lol, why would you ever ask that

[sick sentinel]

rdruid is the best healing wise for higher keys

[icy harness]

Paladin is on par

[sick sentinel]

especially with a damage build

[left hatch]

'what class should we play with' is a pretty irrelevent question given you can do 26's with any of em

[sick sentinel]

Idk I prefer druid honestly, paladin sucks at spot healing

[left hatch]

o.0

[sick sentinel]

paladin does more damage but sucks at spot healing ^ and has large downtimes

[icy harness]

Large downtime?

[left hatch]

i mean pally has better burst st healing than druid

[icy harness]

Did you not see 11x IT

Lol

[sick sentinel]

Ye no, I'd rather have a masterful rdruid

I don't feel safe when paladin has wings on cd

[icy harness]

With 11x IT wings are always up

[sick sentinel]

Hpals have lower and lower damage thesholds

Druid has no downtime it seems

the higher the key

[icy harness]

And holy shock spam

[forest egret]

I'm dabbling in prot and I'm moderately geared. 464 ilvl. What can I focus on to up my hps? Ignore pain is my #1 heal. Mostly just doing 15s at the moment with some alts that friends have. I'm pulling like 17k hps.

[sick sentinel]

hps doesn't matter

[left hatch]

you shouldn't be looking at hps as a metric for prot

[sick sentinel]

doesn't track damage mitigated

[icy harness]

Just stay alive 4Head

[sick sentinel]

from block

Warrior has no hps

[left hatch]

if you wanna do that go play BDK or VDH

[sick sentinel]

We just mitigate everything

[forest egret]

I've had two healers say my hps is low. Sorry I thought I was supposed to be doing more.

[left hatch]

itll incentivize bad play that'll actually hurt how tanky you are

nah dude. you want metrics that help you log a run and look at shit like % hits blocked

[sick sentinel]

Those healers are retarded then

[icy harness]

Just play fury

[left hatch]

if you're wasting rage

[icy harness]

[left hatch]

and ehrps

[sick sentinel]

Who the hell plays fury

[left hatch]

to see where you spike

[sick sentinel]

Awful spec

[icy harness]

I play fury

[left hatch]

i like fury

[icy harness]

Let me pull up a screenshot

[sick sentinel]

Arms is much much better at everything

[left hatch]

not at fun value for a shitty offspec

[sick sentinel]

arms is better at dying also

[sick sentinel]

so you're correct

[icy harness]

18++ as 469 fury

[sick sentinel]

only 110k 🤔

[icy harness]

[sick sentinel]

Ever heard of defensive stance?

[forest egret]

I had a pretty low ilvl shield (445) that I just replaced with a 465. The complaint was I was taking too much damage. I feel like I'm rolling through most of my defensive stuff and trying to maintain ignorepain and shield block.

[sick sentinel]

still worse than what fury has in it's toolkit

[icy harness]

Warpaint + BT > Def stance

[sick sentinel]

and defensive stance is a damage loss

[left hatch]

well "trying to maintain IP"

[sick sentinel]

and fury would catch up

[left hatch]

is exactly what your issue is

[icy harness]

Also fury doesn't care about grevious

[left hatch]

and why HPS is a shitty metric to look at

in all but 3 instances SB has prio over IP

[sick sentinel]

I decline every fury warrior I see

[left hatch]

yikes

[sick sentinel]

even tho fury better in M+

Yikes

My Rio is higher tho so I am automatically right

:)

You're io is higher?

[undone sun]

[sick sentinel]

That's a first

[icy harness]

Hi thyme

[left hatch]

Kyothi world top 100 warrior so... hard doubt

[undone sun]

you are rio @sick sentinel

you're io

[icy harness]

You're io

[sick sentinel]

oops

[icy harness]

[sick sentinel]

your*

my phone loves that

[undone sun]

[sick sentinel]

Link Rio page

[icy harness]

kyothi can I have your onlyfans

[left hatch]

he literally has a screenshot

oh toon name

[sick sentinel]

I don't know

I probably lost like 70 spots

I haven't played in like 5 weeks

[icy harness]

Relapse?

[sick sentinel]

I'm waiting for sanguine week

[icy harness]

Why are you like this

[left hatch]

ah nvm he cropped toon name

[icy harness]

Sanguine is so frustrating

[sick sentinel]

just move

[icy harness]

4Head

I'd rather have skittish

And forti bursting skittish is legit best week

Just smash

[sick sentinel]

there is a fort bursting skittish week?

that's a first

[icy harness]

It's not fort, it's tyra

Fuk

But I love the week

If it was fort that would be the easiest week

[sick sentinel]

Tried out my Vers build. around 100% vers average

[icy harness]

It's 5 am let me be

[sick sentinel]

I don't have the full setup yet tho

Next here I come

week*

[left hatch]

still missing some sockets

smfh

[icy harness]

Missing 2 sockets

Pleb

Not even full vers

[left hatch]

is it even really a versa build

without full gems

[sick sentinel]

smh

I would have all sockets

if I did visions lol

I do my weekly thing

and afk

for the rest

[left hatch]

yeh yeh ik you've only bought like 1 lmfao

just like memeing on you the handful of opportunities i get

[sick sentinel]

feels bad

[proud heart]

surging vitality is meh when compared to vers from all sources r3?

[left hatch]

depends how much base rating you have

theres a spreadsheet floating around that compares the 2 based on your current rating

[proud heart]

but vers from all sources will be better then when optimizing?

[left hatch]

eventually yes

takes a lot to get there though

[proud heart]

aight

will save then

we got a lot of expansion yet xd

[left hatch]

do you have you 2 IT1's?

cause thats a much much bigger deal to buy

and will be up on reset

[proud heart]

noo 😦

[left hatch]

reset itl be there (:

[candid niche]

Is there a limit to what IT procs on or is everything game ?

[left hatch]

every class spell

and when it procs it lowers the cd of everything in your kit, it isn't like ..... i forget the name of it

Glimpse

[wispy locust]

when using psychic shell do you change out vita or dragonscale?

[sick sentinel]

depends on ilvl

[left hatch]

kinda feelycrafty which you prefer, but most ppl lean to keep vita for the stat budget and share the love

[wispy locust]

both 475

[sick sentinel]

you replace teh dragonscale then

[candid niche]

Oh shit that’s pretty nice, so it’s one of those always worth choices ?

Just trying to figure out what pieces to put it on but if it’ll always have value I’ll slap it on a wep and shield

[left hatch]

yeh 2 IT1's has value at any level you do

do you need it in low 20's? nah

but its still nicer to have

and bigger value than the versa amps

[ruby cedar]

Do you think I should invest in the versatile rank 2s or keep saving for rank 3?

[sick sentinel]

rank 2s are good

gives you wiggle room for corruption values

[plain anchor]

Running keys between 15-20 should i stack twilight or vers ?

trying to push higher

[sick sentinel]

If you're trying to push higher and learning some stuff. probably easier to run vers to learn the flow of mechanics

[warm plinth]

Lucid major is fun af

[steep bone]

I've been thinking about UF but then dunno which last trait

[warm plinth]

Resounding

And yes, 1000% UF there

[hushed viper]

guys, do bloodsport and bastion of might stack?

[sick sentinel]

Bastion of might, 1 DC, With HoD/MS/Heartwork

[warm plinth]

@hushed viper They do different things. But if you're asking if Bloodsport increases the Ignore Pain that Bastion of Might gives you, the answer is yes. That doesn't make Bloodsport worth taking though.

[hushed viper]

no, I was asking if multiple bloodsports stack

but thanks for the info tho, pretty new to prot warrior

what should I look up for azerites? The guides say that bloodsport is a good choice

[steep bone]

gutripper or heed my call?

[sick sentinel]

what guide say sthat

that's not true at all xd

[hushed viper]

the wowhead recomended on #268491842637660160

[sick sentinel]

wowhead is buns

bloodsport is gross

[undone sun]

IV is the recommended

[steep bone]

why is skyhold misleading to wowhead that's wrong?

[undone sun]

Different authors, different ideas

It's courtesy to link it

[hushed viper]

k, I'll take a look on IV

[steep bone]

I just got BoM/HoD piece from weekly quest, feelsgoodman

[halcyon pasture]

Hi. I was after some help. Not sure if i should enchant my ring with verse or haste. Also not sure what to get on my wep. Is there a resource for this?

[trim bay]

what should we stay under corruption wise for keys? 18-19 ish?

[sharp night]

force mult/haste unless you are doing like 23+ and going vers amps

39 or 59 depending how comfortable you are with tfb

[halcyon pasture]

ty

is there a defencive wep enchant?

[sick sentinel]

force

[halcyon pasture]

ok

thanks

[trim bay]

ok thank you

😄

[candid sage]

Just watched the latest Naowh video where they clear a +28 Atal. He's constantly pulling around ~70k healing during most of the dungeon, what is he doing to get that high of an HPS? He seems to be using CnS which is why I'm so surprised by the amount of healing.

[sick sentinel]

HPS is just ignore pain

the more vers you have and the more damage you intake the higher your HPS is going to be

HPS doesn't mean much

[last mason]

Is siege just physically impossible this week

[sick sentinel]

this week is almost the BEST week to do it

🤔

bolster spotter. one shot literally everything

die

reset

time key with 10 minutes left

[sick sentinel]

Or don’t

[chilly brook]

@steep bone its not really misleading, wowhead is technically not wrong if it says bloodsport is a good trait because technically all the prot traits are good. There's just varying degrees of good. Bloodsport happens to be on the lower end of that spectrum

The biggest difference is where the two guides rate traits and IV is definitely a better indication of where the traits actually lay

[earnest mist]

could anyone check out my hk-over-gunker-at-start junkyard route and potentially give me some feedback on what I can optimize? https://wago.io/eAOaj738x

yeah I know that route, wanted to just try something new

and go gobba first

[sick sentinel]

Gobba?

I'll check on my laptop because it's hard to follow

But yeah don't try something new, you can get 5 bots easily in the first minute when you go gunker first

Have your healer speed bot/mount into the gunker slime pipe

[earnest mist]

fair enough I guess

gobba yeah king gobbamak

[sick sentinel]

The hunter or rogue(you don't play without either of those anyway) should get the shock bot near the tree at the beginning of the dungeon

If you don't play spider with last boss, you take the spider obelisk to naeno/trixie after the first pull near gunker

There's 3 bots there

Because the shock bots when going gobba first come so late

You have to do 3 hard pulls before the entire team has shocks

And even then you have to go to naeno/trixie to get the 5th shock

The one near the trees?

Yeah I'm on phone rn sorry

Tbh hunter and rogue can do the same thing as shadowmeld

On horde

But for pushing keys I feel like gunker first is better even with patrol there

Ahh that makes sense

Yeah druid can easily get the naeno one with meld yeah, tried that before I transferred

Yeah I prefer that one, with #5 not done

Don't need Invis for that #5 right

There is, but hes never an issue

Yeah it's a bit far away too, healer should get the one inside slime pipe while we are gathering that first pull together

Though with grievous it's a bit risky lol

[still pagoda]

nothing is risky with grievous if your healer is good

[sick sentinel]

Yeah the hunter or rogue can be late

That's what you mean right?

Ah yeah

And what about that one slime from the puddle

So that we can take the 5 percent haste, or a dps

Though not on this week maybe xd

[sinful sail]

Question: How much does 1 R1 IT impact Shield Wall? Does it reduce it's cooldown in a noticeable way?

I'm trying to see if I should grab an extra versatile or a IT when it comes up

Ahh ok!

Thanks!

Aweome, thanks!

[undone sun]

Now you're trying to start shit, no one is saying don't make mistakes, it's just that up to a point you don't need to min/max by stacking verse, recommended for the average player around the 24 key mark

[calm magnet]

At what keys do i prioritize vers stacking over expedient?

Im currently running 1 exp3, 1 exp1, rank 3 td. Im doing 13-15 keys

[stiff oracle]

Like super high keys @calm magnet 24++

I wouldnt stack expedient tho

Just go td5 tbh

[wise heart]

my grp recently started pushing to 22-23s and im slowly switching from td to vers, i used to run td4 it2

[calm magnet]

Id like to try out 16-18 keys tho, need to improve more tho

[stiff oracle]

Td is gonna have way higher value in 18s

[calm magnet]

So what should i replace my exp with?

[wise heart]

now i run td3 vers5 it2

[stiff oracle]

@calm magnet td

[calm magnet]

Does ilvl>corruption still apply on td?

My td3 pants are only 445

[wise heart]

still worth imo if youre doing 15-17s and thats your highest ilvl piece w/ td

[upper violet]

Td3 IT1x2 or td4

Im doing 15s

[left hatch]

IT if you wanna be safer, TD if youre comfy

[upper violet]

i guess it depends on the dungeon and affixes

[left hatch]

That and how comfortable you are with the route/healer and prot in general

[still pagoda]

you don't have room for TD4+2xIT1 i suppose

[earnest mist]

is there a way to open the bridge in KR before zul without pulling g29, brute pat or g15?

[sick sentinel]

30% TD is the best

[arctic needle]

Hello folks, fresh Prot warrior here

[earnest mist]

or I just have to wait for the brute pat to go away before exiting the portal at the bridge

[sick sentinel]

Hi

[still pagoda]

@earnest mist Yes. Wait for brute to go away and just crawl up to the start of the bridge without pulling the pack

[earnest mist]

goddamnit

[left hatch]

If you're at a point where you feel you need more defensives at a 15 theres no shame in that

[earnest mist]

we were so unlucky with brute positioning

😦

[still pagoda]

like

JUST WAIT

[earnest mist]

lost so much time to wait for it to go away

[left hatch]

grab dem IT1's and an expedient and learn 😄

[sick sentinel]

I'm still not sure if bolstering in boralus is helpful

[still pagoda]

and you won't have any problem with brute

[earnest mist]

it's like 5ish seconds lost

[upper violet]

@still pagoda i technically could but i dont like playing with TFB

[earnest mist]

but ye

gotcha

[still pagoda]

TFB this week is fucked

but i run 56 corruption TD5+Exp2 setup still

[sick sentinel]

Do you guys like boralus this week

[left hatch]

Depends on if my group likes memeing the spotter or not

if were gonna get like... 30+% at the end with it its fine

[sick sentinel]

I got through the part till second boss just fine, but after that it's tricky

[left hatch]

if not seige is a bitch

[upper violet]

usually its fine but it spawned once directly on me and caused me to die so that was annoying and i decided to not run tfb from that day on

[left hatch]

tons of little dudes mixed in with big dude pulls -_-

[earnest mist]

boralus is a mess on bolstering

[still pagoda]

Depends on if my group likes memeing the spotter or not

I think that memeing the spotter is the only way to do this shit effectively

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but before first boss you can sap and cage the big guys

[still pagoda]

both spotters

[left hatch]

yeh, but thats a time waster

[still pagoda]

you can wipe out all the trash before second boss

[left hatch]

so makes it a bit harder than on other weeks

[earnest mist]

do you enjoy tramples? cause that's what you'll get a lot of

[sick sentinel]

You gotta do second boss before the pack in front of second boss

[left hatch]

hey, if i get hit by trample i accept the death

its the idiot tax

[earnest mist]

what about zul, what do you do to stay up

seemed kinda impossible now when I did kr 20

[sick sentinel]

Out range the soak

[arctic needle]

Can you guys recommend a good youtube guide for protection warrior 101? I've read wowhead and icyveins but i suppose a good youtuber would help

[sick sentinel]

Don't soak the pool

[left hatch]

Lucid, coordination with healer, if you need it AuG major can help

[sweet summit]

fuck zul

[earnest mist]

I never soak the pool

still die at like 15%

[sick sentinel]

Zul is fine but you need to be in discord with healer

And be a brewmaster

[earnest mist]

kek

[still pagoda]

i don't even have AUG

[sick sentinel]

Do people even run vision major still

[still pagoda]

kekw

[left hatch]

I do'nt know of a YT vid for it, but if you go on Raider.io and look at top prot anyone live streaming has a red dot next to their name

plenty of ppl still do

its a braindead choice

[arctic needle]

@left hatch thanks

[sick sentinel]

Yeah it's definitely easier

[left hatch]

lucid way more fun tho

[sick sentinel]

The only passive major in the game lul

[arctic needle]

I'm running vision..

[left hatch]

thats fine as a newer player

Lucid has a bit of a learning curve attached to it

[arctic needle]

I don't have many essences unlocked yet

[sick sentinel]

It seems to be straight up better

[left hatch]

pulling around it/your groups cds, making bigger pulls, not overcapping rage etc

so if you don't have the basics of prot down and really solid routes in mind its not worth it

and yeh bad, lucid is straight up better

more control is always good

[sick sentinel]

What about conflict

Or is it too niche

[left hatch]

major? the big value iv seen from it is the double verse proc from it

or if you wanna kite

[earnest mist]

starts being good at high keys

[arctic needle]

I'm currently struggling a bit with aoe aggro to be honest

[earnest mist]

not worth on lower keys imho

[left hatch]

but its not as widely used as Lucid

[arctic needle]

specially with DHs dumping the memebeam

[sick sentinel]

Yeah definitely true

[earnest mist]

@arctic needle just thunderclap

[sick sentinel]

Or skittis

[earnest mist]

4Head

[left hatch]

if they're opening with a BOTE/fel barrage meme beam on pull

its on them pulling off you

[sick sentinel]

Fire mage, dh, boomkin team skittish

[arctic needle]

That's exactly what they're doing

[left hatch]

yeh only thing you can do about that is tell them to not blow their load instantly

[sick sentinel]

They'll never listen

[left hatch]

or Shockwave on pull

[sick sentinel]

Because that's bad for the overall

[left hatch]

but otherwise opening with a Clap-avatar-clap-DS-clap

[arctic needle]

I normally charge in, shockwave, thunderclap, revenge, thunderclap, and hope for the best

[left hatch]

should be more than enough to establish threat

[arctic needle]

Should I use Revenge off-proc ?

[left hatch]

eh

in lower keys sure?

[sick sentinel]

Do you guys target the main fire mage combust target

[arctic needle]

yes low keys

[left hatch]

but the higher you go the less often you can do that

[sick sentinel]

Is there a weak aura to know which is their target

[left hatch]

and in some instances its a dps loss to use it

[arctic needle]

Most high level rio prot warriors run storm bolt. Is it better than rumbling earth ?

[left hatch]

i prefer it

extra interrupt

[sick sentinel]

Stormbolt is too good

[left hatch]

i also really like bounding over the double tclap radius

hard swapped this season and thought itd feel bad, but didn't really notice it

[sick sentinel]

Eh not in all dungeons

But that may be personal pref

[left hatch]

yeh

i like the safety in case i need to book it or for obelisk movement

other ppl TC like it for the better add pickup

[sick sentinel]

With a lot of ranged mobs definitely

[left hatch]

for sure, can help a lot with cleaving ranged

[hallow phoenix]

I've started running safeguard in some keys on tyrannical

[earnest mist]

is g50 pulled in junkyard if gunker is on first hm?

[hallow phoenix]

I miss extra tclap radius everytime

[earnest mist]

or is that skipped and moved to g51

right away

[upper violet]

i dont understand junkyard

why does the hardmode thingy always fly over the whole map its kinda annoying

i confuses me tbh

[still pagoda]

it rotates from one point to another, changing rotation of hardmode bosses

nothing special

[steep bone]

there was spreadsheet with corruptions that we're gonna have at vendor, does anyone have it? Or any eta when IT is coming?

[mortal plinth]

If it repeats the cycle

Tuesday

If not, then nobody knows

[steep bone]

poggers

and how much was it

[mortal plinth]

That I can’t remember

You can prob google it easily though

[elder plank]

Would nzoth heroic helm be better than engi helm?

[sick sentinel]

For doing keys 20 and above i’m told I need to gear more defensively. Is vers% the only option or would the vers proc be worth taking as well?

Currently I’m running straight DPS corruption for keys (TD, severe, gushing, expedient etc).

[left hatch]

vers% is an option, but its not the only (or even best) option for that range

versa excels as a stat when you literally need it to survive 1-shots and burst damage

[sick sentinel]

I noticed tanks pushing the biggest keys (nerf) etc using vers % and ineffable

[left hatch]

right

but in a 20 range you don't encounter that as often and its a less efficient stat for DR than haste (takes 86 for .5% of DR)

if you want defensives 2 IT 1's should be top prio

and then an expedient

[sick sentinel]

Would the vers proc one be worth a damn? I know I can’t control it, but I literally have no vers amps or really any gear to use it on considering I only tank keys and prot is my OS

[left hatch]

it depends what your base rating is

[sick sentinel]

I gotta get online to check but I think in the 10-15% range

[left hatch]

theres a spreadsheet on her that compares SV to Versatile based on your current rating

[sick sentinel]

And for ineffable do I want rank 2, rank 1 or multiples of either?

[left hatch]

2 rank 1's

[bleak marsh]

Quick dumb question, 420 gloves with TD3 or 460 gloves with no corruption?

[strong forum]

TD3

[sick sentinel]

Why 2 rank 1’s as opposed to rank 2?

[left hatch]

rank 2 is not cost effecitve

its budget is scuffed

and more than 2 IT 1's is kinda overkill

[strong forum]

rank 1 is 30% for 12 CR
rank 2 is 50% for 30CR

thatgs why

[sick sentinel]

I see. I don’t think I have rank 1

[strong forum]

2 R1s are more CDR for less corruption

[left hatch]

on reset it should come back

[sick sentinel]

Well, that’s stupid

I think I need ineffable for arms too anyway so it’ll be worth buying one or two

Or 3

[left hatch]

for prot 3 isn't worth

idk about arms

[sick sentinel]

Well, I mean 2 for prot, 1 for arms lol

[still pagoda]

for prot 2 is maximum :D

[left hatch]

ahhhh don't have a gear overlap?

that you could throw 1 on... say a ring to use for both

[sick sentinel]

Uhh I may but idk my gear’s all over the place

[left hatch]

fair enough

[sick sentinel]

I prefer fury and bought like 3 gushing this week

[left hatch]

but yah as far as defensive options in a 20 is concerned

[sick sentinel]

So I have a lot of gear with terrible corruptions etc

Does ineffable reduce shield block too?

[left hatch]

versa builds take a LOT of leaning into, and arn't really worth it aside from mitigating mistakes

it does

[sick sentinel]

Damn

[left hatch]

while expedient+IT just makes your kit flow better

[sick sentinel]

So I’m definitely gimping myself not having IT

[left hatch]

and provided you're doing the rotation properly is a better reduction to damage

i wouldn't say gimping

its not at all necesary

[sick sentinel]

Well I’d be less squishy

[left hatch]

but its very helpful

eh

even then most of your defensive value comes from proper play

[sick sentinel]

When doing a 18 the other day I was told I was squishy

Doing a 19 freehold I used the N’zoth trinket and had much better results

[left hatch]

likely you have some kinks in your rotation/cd usage you could work out

[sick sentinel]

Basically popped that bad boy whenever I was low or had nothing left

[left hatch]

ah

yah playing reactively isn't ideal

the more you can plan cd usage ahead of time pull by pull

the better off you'll be

having things to use as "oh shit" buttons isn't adviseable

[sick sentinel]

I was using vita/torment before

[left hatch]

not saying don't use LSP (:

just saying to plan around it

[sick sentinel]

Well I couldn’t really plan our DPS not killing shit fast enough was the problem

[left hatch]

and not have it as an "OH NO IM AT 25%" button

[sick sentinel]

Like the 3 pack at the start of FH it definitely came in handy, I basically popped it and I think shield wall after charging in

[left hatch]

yeh see thats great usage of it (:

huge pull, big value

i just see people that will sit on it for like.... 6+ mins

[sick sentinel]

Because I was going to be screwed. Or I did shield wall into N’zoth trinket, then last stand when i got really low

[left hatch]

because its their panic button

mmm last stand is not that kind of CD

its to fill blocks in SB

[sick sentinel]

Oh not me. I used to play that way, now I’m like fuck it all the CD’s

Oh I know but iirc I popped rally and was still low with shield block rolling

[left hatch]

the % health increase is a pretty minimal gain compared to filling blocks in SB

[sick sentinel]

We had a shaman and he used SLT already and I used my pot haha

So it was that or nothing lmao

[left hatch]

mmk, just be careful not to get into the habit of thinking its a SW type cd

when its basically just an extra charge of SB haha

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah I don’t. It’s definitely my SB is down button

[left hatch]

are you playing around with Lucid Major yet?

[sick sentinel]

I think the only other thing I really need to pay attention to is tracking avatar being up

Because I honestly don’t track when it’s up, unless I have avatar available because you’re not supposed to use it when it procs right?

Uhh no should I?

[left hatch]

with VoP correct you don't wanna overwrite procs

[sick sentinel]

I thought about CNS for mega kites

[left hatch]

and you can try it out

like LSP its VERY stronk

[sick sentinel]

Do you only take it for the leach?

[left hatch]

nope

40s of Avatar back to back (or 60s with IT) + constant IP spam

on a timer that lets you big pull around DPS's cds

[sick sentinel]

I don’t really have much trouble with rage

[still pagoda]

CnS minor is great

[sick sentinel]

Ohhhhh

[left hatch]

its not about having trouble with rage

[still pagoda]

Lucid is taken not for the leech, but for what Morrison explained

[left hatch]

its about the constant inflow of IP making you almost invuln

[still pagoda]

basically invincibility window

[left hatch]

and extending avatar (and Demo Shout) to crazy duration

[sick sentinel]

Wait what does lucid do for prot?

[still pagoda]

CDR

[left hatch]

same thing it does for everyone else

[sick sentinel]

It doesn’t increase rage

[still pagoda]

through Anger Management

yes

it increases rage generation just like increases mana regen for healers

[sick sentinel]

But it also reduces cd’s or it does so through AM?

[still pagoda]

through AM

[left hatch]

AM

[sick sentinel]

Gotcha so I just spam IP to get CDR then?

[left hatch]

yeh

and lets you prolong ava

[sick sentinel]

Oh shit

I never even thought of that

[left hatch]

which critical block is one of the most insane DR sources in game

so big value

[sick sentinel]

Is that what tanks doing keys over 20 are doing?

[left hatch]

its a feelycrafty range around 20's but yeh

VoP is a brainless easy choice

Lucid has more control and is stronger if you play around it

[sick sentinel]

So do you have more uptime on avatar using lucid?

[left hatch]

not 100% on that one, but you have higher uptime in critical moments

which is a worthwhile tradeoff

[umbral cedar]

ive seen a lot of CnS builds with loads of versatile and a couple of IT's, isnt that stronger than lucid?

[still pagoda]

only for the giga keys

[left hatch]

short answer is it depends

in 20's nah

the cd control is a bigger deal than the vers

because you don't need the verse for 1-shots

[steep bone]

is there any vod of prot doing 5mask? And also how 'easy' it'll be with that final trait and 466il with td4?
Vod or best route because atm im going mage > trade > dwarf > and that last one with boss with eyes

[left hatch]

its also key dependent

[still pagoda]

is there any vod of prot doing 5mask? And also how 'easy' it'll be with that final trait and 466il with td4?

It's extremely easy and steamrollable

[left hatch]

like Naowh used lucid in his world first KR vs CnS in a world first Atal

[still pagoda]

just go Drag > Strength > Wisdom > Spirits > Last boss

[left hatch]

i think CnS comes more down to if you intend to kite or not or for rooting fixates like in UR so your dps can stick on the pack while fixated easier

[still pagoda]

and use drums on Rexxar

[steep bone]

We don't have orgri on EU

but stormwind

[still pagoda]

i forgot that we have stormwind week rn

literally go from left to right, be careful on Shaw and nuke everything

excuse me

TD will nuke everything for you*

[steep bone]

actually poping cry+last stand and ive 1.1m hp is pog

[still pagoda]

Alleria is annoying

but you'll just need to pe careful

[steep bone]

i've been eating everything that shes been doing

but poly

ofc kicked it lul

[still pagoda]

won't work eating everything with 400% sanity damage increase mask

[steep bone]

Oh

[still pagoda]

so just be careful

poly window is literally the only time you can damage here reliably

[steep bone]

so far i just did 1mask now ive 2 extra ones

so after 3 done ill get remaining 2 or i gotta do it two more times

[still pagoda]

you'll get remaining 2 if you don't have stormwind ones

if you have them... Well, wait for the next week

[steep bone]

I did them in orgri

[left hatch]

Mask unlocks are tied to doing the hard zones with a mask equipped

[steep bone]

Or sw i dont remember

[left hatch]

one for each of the 4

[steep bone]

Oh

[round vortex]

Anyone here had dramas tanking Mythic N'Zoth with 39 corruption?

[steep bone]

What does they do? First one is 50% less sanity

[left hatch]

thats the hardest one

[still pagoda]

Anyone here had dramas tanking Mythic N'Zoth with 39 corruption?
@round vortex

Someone moans about you doing N'Zoth with eye?

[steep bone]

thats the hardest one
@left hatch

What, I haven’t had to use a single orb with it

[round vortex]

no we are about to start prog

[left hatch]

One makes an ooga booga spawn infrequently when below 50% sanity
One makes little shadow pools behind you as you walk
One makes add ability do 300% more sanity damage
One gives double area affixes

and each of them add 25% health and damage to mobs

thats a good sign vivv, because its by far the worst mask

the rest are free in comparison

[steep bone]

Well I was pulling everything and usually I Procced td once or twice

Guess that’s not smart with all 5

[left hatch]

depends on the mobs

dwarf district you can pull the entire thing no problem

shaw's area, not so much