protection

[left hatch]

more efficient

since it cuts out some backtracking youd have to do to get the obelisk otherwise

you can end up heroing rezan anyway by spending time clearing trash on bridges before you hop down

[hoary root]

So you guys lust on the big packs in front of priestess? Or the 5 mobs at the first obelisk

[left hatch]

and hes arguably the boss that needs it the most

big priestess pack is where i use it

[still pagoda]

^

[limber gull]

so what are the corruptions

to aim for?

[left hatch]

what key level are you interested in

[still pagoda]

big priestess pack and Volkaal for sure

[sick sentinel]

Usually the pull I lust is I go right to the first obelisk then go over to priestess side, take ob up there

Requires a rogue to do that tho but has saved a ton of time

[limber gull]

im tryna do 12-15 and heroic to mythic

i do 15s and mythic on my veng but prot is new to me

[left hatch]

TD

[limber gull]

i have a rakn 2

[sick sentinel]

Fill with IT

[left hatch]

if you're not 100% confident in playing the class perfectly yet

2 IT1's

and (at most tbh) 1 expedient

[limber gull]

i have 1 it 1 r2 td 1 r2 echoing void

[left hatch]

EV isn't fantastic

[last mason]

Don’t most people take it1x2 default these days?

[left hatch]

its... pretty phenomenal

do you need it in 15s? no

[sick sentinel]

Feels real good tbh

[left hatch]

is it a huge help? yes

[last mason]

How much did it cost

[left hatch]

and i can't describe how 60s of avatar w/ every lucid feels

its like sex

with hawgz

mind blowing

[sick sentinel]

And reaaally sweaty

[last mason]

blush

[hoary root]

More efficient to run lucid major with 2X IT1?

[sick sentinel]

If you’re not wasting rage it’s prob almost always more efficient to run lucid major. The reason it’s not always generally recommended is because people will use it improperly

[last mason]

Also feel like at a certain lvl you’re not taking enough dmg to not overcap rage with lucid

[still pagoda]

and because it is not good in lower keys

where you won't take any damage anyway

[left hatch]

ehh lucid has a learning curve to it

[still pagoda]

Also feel like at a certain lvl you’re not taking enough dmg to not overcap rage with lucid
@last mason

You spam IP during Lucid

[left hatch]

i wouldn't recommend it to ppl new to the spec

you have to plan out your pulls around it (and ideally around your dps' cds)

[still pagoda]

you need to spend as much rage as possible during its window

[left hatch]

and have to be 100% confident in your ability to not overcap rage

[last mason]

I’m but you don’t need to spam ip if you’re not taking that much dmg

In lower keys

[limber gull]

im not doing memory

i refuse that shiet

[hoary root]

I’m actually tanking 18-21 keys for most dungeons except for atal and TD. Never tried lucid before though. basically with lucid you spam additional IP and revenge?

[limber gull]

ill probs just m raid

and heroic

[hoary root]

Sounds worth a try with 2 IT1

[still pagoda]

you can use VoP up to high keys easily @limber gull

and doing 3 dailies a day is nowhere bad IMO

[left hatch]

never revenge

in fact revenge is a dps loss

inside lucid windows

[hoary root]

So it’s slam spam

[left hatch]

because its less efficient spender than ip being on the GCD, and you should be pressing generators instead

yeh

once you get the hang of it

its a LOT of fun

[sick sentinel]

Btw you WILL overcap IP while in lucid. Even at higher key levels. The point is to make sure you aren’t over capping rage

[left hatch]

^

[sick sentinel]

Efficient IP usage is low priority

[left hatch]

tbh you sometimes overcap ip anyway

better to waste a bit of IP than waste the rage

[sick sentinel]

It is a “spend 40 rage button” and nothing more

With a side effect of keeping you invincible

[hoary root]

Sounds like a lot of fun actually.

Gotta get used to not using vop

[sick sentinel]

It is but be aware there is a learning curve and it probably won’t feel great until you get the hang of it

[mild ore]

what learning curve

[sick sentinel]

Learning to not over cap rage

[mild ore]

hard

[sick sentinel]

For players new to running lucid it’s incredibly common

Especially considering 50% of the people in here have trouble not over capping rage to begin with

[left hatch]

that and a lot of ppl don't make bigger pulls around cds

either their own or other peoples

and if you arn't spicy pulling around lucid theres no real point ot use it

[sick sentinel]

Another part of the learning curve is learning to pull big enough

[hoary root]

I pull around combust. So I Guess the timing should be okayish

[left hatch]

yeh

[hoary root]

Basically it’s clap and IP Spam, while maintaining other up times like normal.

[left hatch]

yes

also the 2 IT's should bring TC cd down to every gcd

and SB below 6s

when its proccing

so be aware of that

[hoary root]

More value to run lucid with 2 IT1 it seems

[left hatch]

its good no matter what essence you roll with

but yah it does make lucid that much stronger

[hoary root]

Gotcha.

Time to burn keys trying lol

[last mason]

Take pride in your elo terrorism

Not elo

Wrong game

Io*

Mashallah brother

It’s for a good cause

[left hatch]

i take offence to that

even the worst pugs iv come across in wow

don't hold a candle to leagues toxicity

[last mason]

I come from league, and I will admit fully that I’m extremely toxic because of it

It throws people off on wow sometimes because they’re aren’t used to that lvl

[somber folio]

hey guys, is there a gear guide for prot warriors anywhere? looking for BIS spreadsheet that covers nyalotha & m+

[sick sentinel]

There is no definitive bis list. Generally prioritize ilvl>haste>crit=vers

[left hatch]

the only slots that really have bis are trinkets

[sick sentinel]

Look at the icy veins guide

[left hatch]

look for Vita, Scale, Lingering Psychic Shell, Butchers Block and Rezans Gleaming Eye

[sick sentinel]

whats better , empowered proximity or unbridled fury ? if i thunderclap in a pull , does unbridled proc on several units ? or does it only proc once ?

[strong forum]

unbridled is only for ST

for any aoe situation you basically wanna go with empowered proximity

[exotic spoke]

Eh, unbridled can work for small cleave too. I think after 2 targets superior strength and then after 4 it’s empowered but I can’t remember

But as that’s offensive you can sim it

[left hatch]

akaik the Unbridled Fury proc works the same as other similar on attack procs. itll have 1 chance per target to proc but that proc is normalized so you don't get more of them in aoe vs st

[main vault]

^ pmuch this

[proven vault]

Do prot wars go vers food in m+ now?

or still haste

[nocturne marlin]

Hi Tags, why all go for vers now?

[cosmic canyon]

Assuming you were stacking haste instead of vers or TD, how much haste would you need to have 100% uptime of sb?

[strong forum]

166%

[cosmic canyon]

I reckon you could go 2-3x IT and that would help

166% is that realistic? How much stats would it require?

5k?

[strong forum]

its not realistic

5k is only about 80%

but thats pure SB

without LS in mind

thats why haste is so valuable, any kind of cap is unreachable that we can stack it basically infinitely

[cosmic canyon]

Yeah, but I was asking with that in mind. Two other talents in that row, which if ls was obsolete would make a difference

[strong forum]

with that in mind i cant really say, i know that 55% isnt enough for 100% block uptime

[cosmic canyon]

Would stacking mastery/haste outshine vers/haste in physical situations? Or is the scaling on vers bigger than mastery?

how much mastery would you need for 100% crit block during sb?

The AP buff from mastery able to compete with vers on efficiency on for example IP?

[strong forum]

never

[cosmic canyon]

Is IP double dipping from vers?

[strong forum]

going for mastery is borderline useless because of bom and our insane physical midigation already

you would need 2.1k mastery before BoM to get 100% mastery during avatar

aka 4.2k total mastery

[cosmic canyon]

The only value after 100% mastery would be in the form of AP then I guess, as well as if sb falls off

[strong forum]

the AP gain from mastery for IP will never outshine vers

defensively

[cosmic canyon]

Ip is also scaling with vers though isn't it? Something must be with vers in the multiplier on that spell too, no?

[strong forum]

yes IP scales with vers and AP

but IP is an irrelevant factor to focus on

[cosmic canyon]

It doesn't count as "healing" tho, right?

[strong forum]

it does show up on the healing meter, but its just an absorb / shield

[cosmic canyon]

Just asking the fringe questions to get a better understanding. Thanks for helping.

[strong forum]

no actual healing part

[cosmic canyon]

So not benefiting from "increased healing" part on vers. I see.

[strong forum]

well, we dont heal at all

[cosmic canyon]

Thx for chat. Gn

[oblique garnet]

Crit block reduction is capped at 85% anyways

[left hatch]

IP doesn't double dip from verse, it benefits once from it being a 'heal'

Mastery also scales IP in that it increases our AP

the only thing that doesn't have any interaction with IP is crit

[strong forum]

and haste 🙃

[left hatch]

well more rage -> more ip

so it does

[strong forum]

very fast shield

[left hatch]

srota

[viscid island]

hello, is any setup for pvp ?

essence/talents

[hallow phoenix]

1x DC, then fill with BoM or reckless flurry

Vision or cof for major essence

[left hatch]

i thought its Devastator + reckless flurry and Brace for Impact

and sword and board

[hallow phoenix]

BfI is decent, you definitely don't want dev

[left hatch]

so you go all in on the st SS spam

ig Dev is inting with the talent that gives 100% uptime of DS

[hallow phoenix]

You can have perma demo shout with the two demo talents

[strong forum]

prot pvp

[viscid island]

yep I know, prot pvp

[hallow phoenix]

PvP talents you always want the demo one, then really your choice

Many of the PvP talents are great but situational

Mass reflect, bodyguard, and the tclap root depending on your need for team defenses or peel.

Sword and board if you just need damage

Cns major is fine too if you're up against some weird comp or in a bg.

[left hatch]

i ususally go CnS minor and just manually pick that talent

[hallow phoenix]

Always run oppressor in bgs too

That's a good play morr but sometimes you want mass reflect and bodyguard

Say against WLD

You need demo and then the tclap root totally ruins the kill targets day

[ocean heath]

anyone else have trouble keeping track of all your abilities and CDs even with weakauras?

[warm plinth]

Not on prot so much but on some toons yeah. I usually make WAs with sound triggers or a glow or something so it stands out better.

[ocean heath]

i think i'm staring too much at the CDs and abilities rather than the mobs

[left hatch]

the more you play the more you get a feel for when things come off cd

even with AM speeding it up

[ocean heath]

like if I'm trying to pay attention to all the mobs and their cast bars, I can't pay attention to my CDs and SB/IP

[muted spoke]

leech CR any good for us?

[chilly brook]

That's why you get a WA and place it in the center of your screen @ocean heath

Like so

[hallow phoenix]

yeah making your UI more center oriented is a huge help

[ocean heath]

i do, but I find myself still staring at the bars

[chilly brook]

All relevant information in a UI should be where your character is so you can see everything you need to even in peripherals

Even if you look at an icon you should still be able to see telegraphs and bad

[chilly brook]

Hell if you have to angle your camera so its top down do so

I do it a lot

[hallow phoenix]

I track my sb uptime with the bar above my health

i have a wa that goes over my avatar button that shows its uptime too

[ocean heath]

is there a way to play so that you're basically blind to all the abilities and CDs to concentrate on the mobs

[hallow phoenix]

everything i need to keep track of can be seen from looking at the center of my screen

[chilly brook]

Yes

Turn off UI

But I dont recommend that lol

[hallow phoenix]

Yes, there is. With appropriate experience you get a feel when your CDs should be up

[oblique garnet]

If you play with IT you dont really

[chilly brook]

If it helps make your bars opaque so you cant see them

[hallow phoenix]

And with most pulls I dont need to know what my pummel CD is, I know when its up. Certain mobs require one melee kick. I can get every one. Others require two melee kicks, so i get every other

[worn drift]

Got a fresh 120 prot warrior, if I wanna focus on M+ what essence would people recommend prioritize buying rank 3 of asap? Besides VoP cause thats pretty easy to rank 3

[chilly brook]

But you honestly shouldn't stare at your abilities

[warm plinth]

C&S and Lucid are the 2 top priorities

[left hatch]

at the same time you also don't need to stare at mobs nonstop

[chilly brook]

A proper WA will draw your attention when things are up anyways

[hallow phoenix]

IT definitely changes things but i dont really play with it yet

[left hatch]

you learn what has a cast that needs to be interrupted

and know when its gonna go off roughly

so you know when you can afford to check... oh i have 14s left on ava cool

[chilly brook]

And if you absolutely need to you can make sound q's for your weakauras as well so you dont even need to look

[ocean heath]

it's just that the SS and revenge procs kinda mess me up as there's not really a pattern like with fury

[left hatch]

like the triple pull at the start of FH

[hallow phoenix]

revenge is incredibly low priority

[limpid pawn]

ok math has been done

[chilly brook]

Again a good WA literally makes shield slam procs stand out

[left hatch]

just set it so littlewigs makes a sound when one of the big guys is gonna do brutal backhand

and boom

[limpid pawn]

the mechagon rings, with the haste proc, is worth 50 ilevels

[left hatch]

can not even look at the mobs once you gather them

[chilly brook]

Plus revenge proc and ss proc already have 3d elements baseline UI when they happen around your character

[limpid pawn]

like a hair under 50 ileveels

[hallow phoenix]

theyre worth 3 sockets 🙂

[limpid pawn]

yes, but in terms of stats on rings

[chilly brook]

So you shouldn't need to stare at your bars

[limpid pawn]

its 100% worth 50 ilevels

[chilly brook]

If you see red shields on the sides of the center of your screen

[steep bone]

Hmm, in a run with 2.5k people interrupting painful motivation

[chilly brook]

You shield slam

[left hatch]

ig thats the other big thing. use Littlewigs over DBM because it does trash mechanic callouts audibly

so you can afford to look away

[limpid pawn]

a 475 ring has 591 secondary stats total

[left hatch]

and you won't miss the important bits

[limpid pawn]

a 465 ring has 553 secondary stats

[chilly brook]

If you see a silver semi circle above your character you can revenge for free

@ocean heath

[limpid pawn]

so 10 ring ilevels = 38 secondary stats

189 / 38 = 4.97 which is just under 50 ilevels

[chilly brook]

So you really shouldn't be tunnel visioning on those two things

[limpid pawn]

in short, ttis

[left hatch]

you're ignoring stam

[limpid pawn]

*tits

yes ignoring stam

[left hatch]

but yeh the mechagon proc is dope

[ocean heath]

i mean i want to be optimal and hit the best ability every GCD

[limpid pawn]

word it's dope

[chilly brook]

Right

Again

[limpid pawn]

but just trying to point out it's worth much more than 15 ilevels

[left hatch]

i got a revenge WA that makes a SCHWINGGGG noise when it procs

thats kinda useful

[chilly brook]

If you see red shields you slam because it reset and if you see a silver semi circle you can revenge if you got nothing else to do

[hallow phoenix]

what on earth are you talking about griff

[limpid pawn]

all hasted out

[hallow phoenix]

is this a wa

[chilly brook]

No

Its default UI

[left hatch]

the default blizz ui visual

[hallow phoenix]

oh

i must have that disabled

[chilly brook]

Any shield slam reset theres a red shield visual that shows up

[ocean heath]

i think i need to make SS light up when it's available and not procced

[oblique garnet]

Why do you need wa with sound for revenge

[chilly brook]

If it comes up naturally you shouldn't need to actually peel your eyes off your character you should just be familiar enough with position in the WA and be able to hit it based on peripheral vision

[left hatch]

idunno

i just have it

and i like the schwing noise

(:

[chilly brook]

And Khakans my friend @ocean heath

[oblique garnet]

That sounds like its gonna be really annoying ngl

[hallow phoenix]

make a WA to make the schwing noise with every melee attack

for true immersion

[chilly brook]

Lol

What about a metal clash every block?

[hallow phoenix]

yess

[left hatch]

real men play with 100% audio, but no music

or ambience

just the combat noises

[oblique garnet]

See thats why you blast music in all keys so you dont hear any callouts 🙂

[ocean heath]

do you have a link to your weakaura setup?

or know of a good one

[chilly brook]

We need an Arnold "ynnngggg" WA for every time you shout

[hallow phoenix]

Theres about a billion shield block WAs

[chilly brook]

Yes let me grab Khakans

[left hatch]

oh dw, my demo shout is voice activated

i have to yell into the microphone to use it

[hallow phoenix]

what about battle shout

[left hatch]

also push to talk is for nerds

[hallow phoenix]

shout but at a different volume?

[left hatch]

same yelling, different pitch

[hallow phoenix]

nice

[left hatch]

takes fat fingering to a new level

if you look up Prot Warrior WA on wag.io theres a TON to choose from

[chilly brook]

https://wago.io/ProtectionWarrior_Khakhan

[left hatch]

personally i made most of mine from WA->from template

[chilly brook]

There you go

[ocean heath]

i think the one i found doesn't help since SS is greyed when on CD so it's hard to see

[left hatch]

doesn't that make it noticable.. if its colored its ready

[warm plinth]

@left hatch I actually do play with just sound effects.

[chilly brook]

Like I said Rooster use the one I linked

[left hatch]

the last time i used game sound was reaping tbh

[chilly brook]

It lights up anytime SS is up

[left hatch]

for keys i was 1/2 assing

[warm plinth]

I dislike grayscale when shit is on CD as well Rooster

[left hatch]

and exclusively so i could hear bwomsalami yell at me

[warm plinth]

I just like to have the cooldown spiral thing

[ocean heath]

ok i'll try that one

[left hatch]

i used greyed out with a timer over it counting down the time

[warm plinth]

Music is distracting to me

[left hatch]

if i didn't have music going id have ruined all my friendships

[warm plinth]

I'd still be your friend Morrison

[left hatch]

my blood pressure skyrockets in keys

or at least it did when i was tanking 24/7

having dps option is nice

relaxing

i can not care

[warm plinth]

Just play a havoc DH. You're not tanking, and you don't have to actually think about how to play your toon.

[left hatch]

exactly what i do now

[warm plinth]

Actually scratch the first part

You tank sometimes 😂

[steep bone]

just play bm hunter, you don't even have to dodge dps mechanics

[hallow phoenix]

There's a havoc DH i know that gets real butt hurt and defensive if you even imply that havoc is easy to play

[chilly brook]

I definitely tank keys better when I have music blasting

[hallow phoenix]

and he'll simplify whatever spec you play and call it trash

something about DHs

[warm plinth]

Really

[left hatch]

as a spurg DH

were hella easy to play

[warm plinth]

Does he only play havoc DH Tusks?

[hallow phoenix]

yes

[left hatch]

and class that can be boiled down to perfectly play exclusively with using hekili

[hallow phoenix]

doesnt even vengeance

[warm plinth]

That's probably why

[left hatch]

is braindead

[chilly brook]

I mean to be fair

[warm plinth]

He doesn't want to have the only spec he's good at belittled as easy haha

[ocean heath]

maybe I'm just being weird, but I wonder if there a way to know all your CDs and buffs through sound so I don't have to look at any bars on screen

[chilly brook]

Its not like vengeance is a crazy difficult spec either

It's just fun af

[warm plinth]

Vengeance is like...

[steep bone]

@ocean heath yes, you can do that with weak auras

[warm plinth]

Do I have meta up? If not, press brand. Is Meta and Brand on CD and I don't have a Meta proc? Press spikes. Spam shear.

[hallow phoenix]

100% blind people play the game so yes you can

[left hatch]

i had a rainman level druid tank i ran with for awhile. that manually counted out the time between Quaking in his head

[chilly brook]

I feel like I said you could make weakauras have sound cues lol

[left hatch]

every time.

[ocean heath]

or even feel lol

[left hatch]

was insane

[warm plinth]

No way lol

That's pretty funny

But yeah I watched a video not that long ago of a blind HEALER doing M+

[hallow phoenix]

yeah

Blindlylpayinggames

[warm plinth]

I think he said in the video his highest timed key was a 16

[hallow phoenix]

I've played with him a few times

[left hatch]

if he can do that im sure theres SOMEONE that manually times out their CD's

[hallow phoenix]

he has to /follow a dps or the tank the entire dungeon

[steep bone]

guys i found spider on the wall, and when i went to take anti insect spray he's no longer there

[left hatch]

pinball wizard style

plays by sense of smell

[warm plinth]

His disciples do lead him in

[left hatch]

shoulda used a cup

[warm plinth]

I saw it on video

It was nice knowing you @steep bone

[left hatch]

he sensed your ill intent

[hallow phoenix]

Its pretty cool he listens to party health by frequency of "one" or "three" or some number 1-5

[steep bone]

i just sprayed whole room with it, it smells weird but atleast im 10% sure its dead

[hallow phoenix]

if his program is spamming 1111111111111 he knows party member 1 needs big heals

[ocean heath]

yea i need something like that

[warm plinth]

Aaaaand now you have cancer

[ocean heath]

turn off my whole UI

[left hatch]

i hide my action bars

[warm plinth]

What's that uh

[steep bone]

just make weakauras 😄

[left hatch]

so thats similar

[warm plinth]

addon or WA or whatever

That calls things out with voice

That sounds like what Rooster needs

I see some streamers use it

[steep bone]

isnt it gladiatorssa?

[chilly brook]

@hallow phoenix that's nutty

[left hatch]

a resto shaman i played with had a bunch of diff water noises for her diff cd's coming up

except spirit link

[steep bone]

i remember addon for pvp that was calling stuff

[left hatch]

which was a clown horn

[warm plinth]

Idk, it says like "frontal" and shit like that

[chilly brook]

Clown horn omegalul

[hallow phoenix]

clown horn for spirit link is totally appropriate

[left hatch]

ig after playing with something like that for awhile you get sensory memory

so you associate it with.. say last stand being ready

[chilly brook]

Life would be a lot better if I could replace sounds from people with random sounds like a WA

[ocean heath]

yea like a different part of the brain processes sound so you can use your visual part to concentrate on the mobs

[hallow phoenix]

I used to play with the addon coolLine which is one bar for all your CDs. Abilities slide down the bar and when they're off it, theyre ready

many different ways to keep track of your cds

[left hatch]

but yah idk i think you're overestimated how much attention you need to pay to mobs

[warm plinth]

Yeah I've seen that a few times; it's neat but I couldn't use it

[left hatch]

littlewigs does audio callouts for mechanics on trash

the same way DBM does for raid

[hallow phoenix]

I had to stop using it in bfa

[chilly brook]

I'm not gonna lie Rooster I think you're overthinking it and you're just not comfortable with your role yet

[left hatch]

which helps a lot

[hallow phoenix]

too much stuff gets reset

[left hatch]

and as long as you set up ahead of time... like "oh this is the oarsman pack, make sure hes targerted"

[severe monolith]

going back an xpac but are there hidden requirements for triggering the prot hidden appearance?

[warm plinth]

No

[ocean heath]

yea I need more practice

[warm plinth]

You only have one chance per day to get it

[left hatch]

you can tunnel your bar, still get the interrupt, and just sidestep when you hear the callout for the dash

[hallow phoenix]

nope just run the script daily

[ocean heath]

I panick too much start mashing buttons

[warm plinth]

Go in the cave, go to the edge of the cliff, and if you don't get the emote in chat (or run the script and it comes back true, if that's how you're doing it), it's not there that day.

[hallow phoenix]

100% its about being in the right state of mind to process what needs to be processed

@ocean heath

Keep practicing, the pulls will become clearer with time

[warm plinth]

It's basically a triggered daily quest but it has the chance to be one of two different quests. One is the quest that doesn't have the shield in the cave; the other is the one that does.

[left hatch]

yeh. in a non meme way shit slows down to a pace thats... fairly leisurely

once you know what each mob does

and get a feel for the kit

you're way less frantic when you mass pull a bunch of the mind control flowers in UR for instance

and your auto maker throws on targets

so you know the bois will get their interrupts

[chilly brook]

@ocean heath also dont be afraid to fail, failure is the best teacher

[ocean heath]

yea i have to study a bunch more dungeons

[hallow phoenix]

Great example. Pulling 3 lashers + 1-2 maggot bois in UR in a mass pull is all about focusing on your maggot + lasher, and doing your normal prot warrior stuff

[chilly brook]

Just analyze what went wrong and fix it

[ocean heath]

highest i've done so far is +6 ToS

[hallow phoenix]

And when im tanking a maggot + lasher that im in charge of, I know the maggot will cast 2 sprays before the lasher cast will go off again

all about practice and experience

[left hatch]

tbh i wouldn't even 'study' more

just throw yourself into more keys

[ocean heath]

annoying as hell though when do avatar and then demo and it's like I'm not doing anything for 3 seconds

[left hatch]

see what kills yah

and be like 'oh ok dat scary'

[still pagoda]

Great example. Pulling 3 lashers + 1-2 maggot bois in UR in a mass pull is all about focusing on your maggot + lasher, and doing your normal prot warrior stuff
@hallow phoenix

When i was doing +18UR with few 2k rio guildies(who're relatively new to keys higher than +15 weekly no leavers), the thing i did all the time is calling out interrupts and stuns

[left hatch]

alternatively Questionably epic has a little addon

[still pagoda]

it was today

[left hatch]

makes a small window appear in a dungeon that any enemy you have selected

lists out what it does

do a mythic baseline and see what each mob does

so you know 'oh dat witch has a frontal cleave'

[still pagoda]

annoying as hell though when do avatar and then demo and it's like I'm not doing anything for 3 seconds
@ocean heath

put clap in between

[ocean heath]

im looking at routes from wowhead in method dungeon tools right now to get a feel for the pathing

[hallow phoenix]

raider.io probably has better routes

didnt even know wowhead had routes

[still pagoda]

Dratnos's routes from raider.io are pretty memey and barebones

[ocean heath]

it has routes with pictures so i can basically walkthrough the whole route

[still pagoda]

but good as a starting point

[left hatch]

ig if you're mostly blind and havn't been doing these keys for 4 seasons

it helps to know

[hallow phoenix]

I like and use quite a few of his routes karton

[left hatch]

THATS a reanimated honor gaurd

right there

[ocean heath]

i have no idea what's optimal or what skips there are since I just started back a month ago after a year off

[left hatch]

thats what it looks like

[hallow phoenix]

with very few changes

[left hatch]

fear it

[still pagoda]

Reanimated homor guard? Sounds like tank's death sentence here

[left hatch]

sounds like the groups death sentence

if your healer isn't on top of their game

[still pagoda]

Exactly

[hallow phoenix]

This week in atal we lusted G16 the pack at the bottom of volkal stairs

and oh boy did we regret not having it for the honorguard

might just death skip it next atal tbh

[left hatch]

i just

stopped doing that

the double pack

[ocean heath]

ah i remember getting destroyed by those a year ago

[left hatch]

i volunteer as tribute and pull it away and die

[hallow phoenix]

no not that one

Im talking the double shieldbearer double witch pack, with patting stealthy bois

we usually lust it on fort

[left hatch]

ahhh yeh

another lovely pull

[hallow phoenix]

But then we didnt have lust for thet honorguard next to fear obelisk

[still pagoda]

i volunteer as tribute and pull it away and die
@left hatch double honor guard pack can be pulled away by a hunter if you have one in the group

[left hatch]

yeahp

or a rogue

[hallow phoenix]

or mage

[left hatch]

but no can has that

unless im on my alt

or any Nelf

[still pagoda]

I usually drop second pillar exit portal on carpets, ask hunt or rogue to pull away and get into 3rd pillar

[left hatch]

yeh we do that but with me booking it into the distance and dying

cause nothing in my friend group drops combat

:/

[still pagoda]

Heh

I have a real chance pushing into 20's this week

Have +19ToS in the bag

[hallow phoenix]

3rd boss temple 🙂

[still pagoda]

On grievous

[hallow phoenix]

🙂 🙂 🙂

[still pagoda]

Though the guildie healer i picked up is pretty good

[hallow phoenix]

i forget does that pillar damage scale with fort or tyranical

[left hatch]

maybe my helaer is just aces

[hallow phoenix]

the lightning pillar on 3rd boss

[left hatch]

but never had an issue with galvazzt

its tyranical

[still pagoda]

@hallow phoenix it's a boss mechanic

@left hatch pug healers are dumb

[hallow phoenix]

last boss temple spawns adds as a boss mechanic but they scale with fort

[ocean heath]

is there an addon that can rate your mitigation or looks at average incoming damage reduction?

[icy garnet]

hai guys update on my corupption - i tryed t o show my freind my TD in key with him on a heler and i did 48k overall and hi still thinks verzatile is better than twilite LOL

[left hatch]

you can log your run and look at EHRPS?

[warm plinth]

Well, you can't fix stupid marty

[still pagoda]

But getting a good healer is the matter of getting into a good raiding guild. Which in my case a huge luck that happened on last Sunday and then on my first raid night with them

[left hatch]

but as far as moment to moment addon thats like

OH THIS CD IS MORE IMPORTANT

idk that exists

and tbh its not really necesary

are you tanking mobs with aggro? SB>IP

are you outta SB charges? use LS

[still pagoda]

@icy garnet pull much bigger and show him that you don't take damage anyway

[left hatch]

something about to hit you with a spell? use SR

[sharp night]

pillar damage is fort, boss itself is tyr

it's weird

[left hatch]

reallly now

thats...

interesting

[still pagoda]

👀

[hallow phoenix]

thanks vince

[icy garnet]

i already pull al of tol dager beach and show him i can just clappe

[hallow phoenix]

i thought i remembered something weird about that boss

[icy garnet]

^^

[ocean heath]

I just want to be able to compare one run to another

[left hatch]

ah

log your runs

[warm plinth]

That's not very realistic to do though

There's a lot of variables

[left hatch]

and look at them afterwards

but yah you can't compare a Seige to an AD

you'd have to compare a seige to a seige

on the same week

cause affixes/tyranica/fort are a big variable

you can pick up on mistakes and stuff with logs anyway

so its still helpful

[ocean heath]

ah ok

[warm plinth]

Same group too, ideally. Since you could have more DR overall from some healers than others, for example

Or better DPS so the stuff dies faster

[ocean heath]

does IP or SB prevent any damage from debuffs like bursting?

[hallow phoenix]

ip

[warm plinth]

IP will reduce the damage, but it won't prevent it

[left hatch]

ip absorbs part of bursting

you can parry necrotic

[warm plinth]

Spell Reflection affects Bursting as well

[left hatch]

you can SB buffed mobs that are bolstered

etc

[warm plinth]

(but only reduction, not the reflect part)

[left hatch]

if you're a dwarf you can also cleanse necrotic

[ocean heath]

ok so SB only work on anything physical even physical spells

[hallow phoenix]

not all spells or abilities, even if physical

[left hatch]

most aa's

some physical abilities

[hallow phoenix]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml

[left hatch]

like bleeds are technically physical damage

[still pagoda]

you'd have to compare a seige to a seige
@left hatch ally one to horde one

[left hatch]

but its SPECIAL phys damage

that ignores armor

[ocean heath]

so it can't block any ranged physical hits then either

[left hatch]

it can

[still pagoda]

Bleeds are bleeds. They just bypass armor as the name suggests

[left hatch]

like the musket bois and archers their shots are counted as aa's in terms of being blockable

[ocean heath]

so if i'm expecting a huge magic spell, the best I can do with SB+SR?

[left hatch]

you interrupt it

or stun it

or SR it

[ocean heath]

assuming you can't that is

[left hatch]

in a high enough key and that happens often enough you die

thats part of learning how to play properly

[ocean heath]

are groups interrupting every dangerous spell in mythic+?

[left hatch]

if they want to time it yes

[hallow phoenix]

in high enough keys yes

every spell needs to be controlled

[warm plinth]

Well, not every spell. But the vast majority.

[hallow phoenix]

if you dont have interrupts you have stuns or other ccs

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you have to play with stuns and other CCs to actually stop all spells

[ocean heath]

like I did some motherlode runs and I could only get like 1 out of 5 casts with some packs

[warm plinth]

Interrupts alone won't do it

[sharp night]

you can't even stop all of them

[left hatch]

i mean that comes down to knowing whats the priority to interrupt

[warm plinth]

Like some pulls you just have to take a cast

Think like...

Tol Dagor

[left hatch]

great example is the water casters in Shrine

you ignore wash away

[warm plinth]

You're going to get hit by a salt blast at some point

[left hatch]

but if you miss more than 1 Water Blast back to back

yo'ull die

in high enough content

[warm plinth]

The play is to stop enough of the casts that you don't die before the mobs do

[left hatch]

and knowing what qualifies as dangerous

[ocean heath]

im thinking of those mastermind packs in ML where everyone is doing some dangerous cast

[left hatch]

masterminds don't have an interrupt

and you avoid them in high keys

[still pagoda]

you ignore wash away

And dance near the snap point

[solar sandal]

so ungodly amounts of vers is like a mega high key sort of build right? what would be the suggested route for starting out and mid level keys like 15-18 or so?

[still pagoda]

Masterminds can kill your ML run easily

[left hatch]

If yo'ure comfy TD

[still pagoda]

^

[left hatch]

if you feel like you need some more defensives 2 IT 1's and an expedient

then TD

[solar sandal]

oh i mean im running TD no matter what, only reason i rolled a tank lmao

but i just meant secondaries on gear

it seems everything is kind of useful, wasnt sure if i just sim a tank?

[still pagoda]

2 IT's scale well into higher key brackets

[left hatch]

ilvl>Haste>crit>=versa

[solar sandal]

ok that's what i was lookin for

thanks lmao

[still pagoda]

So i think that picking up ITs is a good upgrade no matter what

[ocean heath]

alright, thanks for all the tips, gonna go practice

[left hatch]

yeh im in that camp too at this point

[still pagoda]

Since it will net you a lot in the long run

[left hatch]

after playing around with back to back Avatars outside lucid

:3

even if its not better than the TD

its fun

[still pagoda]

It is just good if you can get at least one inside your budget on top of TD4-5

I'm poor on corruption resistance right now, but will definitely snag 2 ITs next week if they will arrive

Was running with 1xIT1 before getting 475 shield

It was good

[warm plinth]

@ocean heath Play more trash at the start of the dungeon so you don't have to kill Masterminds. The trash in R&D area is brutal

[left hatch]

also a lot less interrupts

[warm plinth]

At the start, you can pull around the mobs in the packs (e.g. don't pull 3 vendors at the same time or something like that)

[left hatch]

a heal, an enraged (which can be ignored if you have a druid) and a freezybeam

[warm plinth]

That's actually what the ability should be called

Freezybeam

[left hatch]

its not?

(:

[warm plinth]

We may or may not have forgotten it was bolstering in our run last night

On the first pull, we had a mech jockey and a vendor that were like 7x bolstered

And literally the first tick of ice spritzer would kill someone 😂

[left hatch]

i literally do that. every week its bolstering the first key of the week

and end up with an 'oh lawd she comin' add

[sick sentinel]

My favorite is the first pull In shrine bolstered

That gives that place 5 bosses

[warm plinth]

We have me to prevent that

[hallow phoenix]

just zone out

[warm plinth]

🙂

Imprison ftw

[left hatch]

yup thats the fix

[sick sentinel]

Lol coward move zoning out

[left hatch]

still scary

[hallow phoenix]

lmao

[warm plinth]

Hawgz

[left hatch]

i also like giga bolstering the spotter

[sick sentinel]

Fight it or no balls

[warm plinth]

Are you psyched to see what we can bolster this week?

[left hatch]

and hoping your druid remembers to keep mass rooting it

so you don't have a Terragrue visiting early from SL coming after you

[warm plinth]

We actually almost killed the vendor/jockey. I think we had them to like 10% or so when we wiped finally after the jockey melee'd me for like 800k

[sick sentinel]

I can never successfully pull off spotter nonsense. Someone in my group always ints

[warm plinth]

We're getting better at spotter stuff

[left hatch]

its not nearly as worth it now that the last boss can't be kileld wit hit

[warm plinth]

We did time a 20 Siege so that's an accomplishment for us

[left hatch]

still great for trash but

meh

i member the glory days

[still pagoda]

i also like giga bolstering the spotter
@left hatch

gigabolster the spotter and use him as a tool to clean out trash before 3rd boss

SEEMS BALANCED

[warm plinth]

What's really tilting for me about Siege is when I get putrid waters like 800x in a row

[left hatch]

last season the spotter also could kill the last boss's tentacles

it was glorious

see the secret is running a class that has a self dispel

and purposely launching your mates into the kraken

[still pagoda]

👀

[warm plinth]

kek

[left hatch]

spawns more tentacles to pad overall

true big brain play

[warm plinth]

Kinda nice when we run with our rogue's warlock but he mains rogue for M+ so it's not super common

Having double dispel is sick for that boss

[left hatch]

iv been loving the keys i get to go BM for fun

my bear frand keeps forgetting pet taunt is a thing

and gets confused every time we do Tankbuster obelisk

the amount of utility some specs has is just unfair

and then theres dps warriors

lul

[warm plinth]

Yeah I like pet taunting the tankbuster. It makes me happy.

[left hatch]

animal cruelty often put you in a good mood ):<

but nah i feel you, shit like that actually feels like you're contributing a lot

heck even the spirit beast heal feels great in clutch moments

to toss on someone that woulda died otherwise

had one or 2 saves with spit gold

[steep bone]

for 17ml, shall i go rezan(460)+wrathion(445) trink, or something+edicts its 430 tho xD
I wish i was lucky with trinkets

[left hatch]

at that low a lvl edicts wouldn't be worth

do you have... an LSP?

a dragonscale?

oh nvm you said wrathion

any rezan?

[steep bone]

460 rezan's glemming

[limpid pawn]

is 20 siege hard this week? 😮

[left hatch]

wow my reading comprehension is way off

sorry vivv

yeh go rezan and wrathion

and for seige uhhh

theres some mixed pulls that can get a nasty bolster if you're not careful particularly at the beginning

but you can make up a lot of time if you cheese the spotter for fast trash at the end

its not the easiest week for seige tho

[oblique garnet]

@limpid pawn for pug? Yes for practiced group? Yes

[limpid pawn]

lol

[oblique garnet]

On a 20 you can probably get away without abusing spotter tho

[left hatch]

for sure, but if yo'ure used to it

its a nice safety

[oblique garnet]

Imo this week the play in siege is just skip majority of the low health mobs and kill everything with last spotter -> die after to reset it

[sullen valve]

can i meme mwahi in here?

[left hatch]

its expected

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern @ionic fern @ionic fern azerite traits help quick please

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern plz hurry >:(

@ionic fern I read guide saying there is a block cap at 42.5%

@ionic fern i read guide that says lucid major at high keys not VoP

WHY

that is all

[oblique garnet]

[sullen valve]

hehe i can't wait till he wakes up from his old man nap and sees 4 pings in here

[warm plinth]

@oblique garnet Please petition Vel to give me friend role, thanks

❤️

[oblique garnet]

Frens are old sf mostly

[sullen valve]

WIAT THERE IS A FRIEND ROLE?!?

mwahi hurts me

[undone sun]

🤣

[oblique garnet]

Well you ping a man at 4 am 4 times and wonder why

[undone sun]

old SF and actual friends

[warm plinth]

"mostly"

Which means not all

https://tenor.com/bepjk.gif

[undone sun]

yup

[oblique garnet]

[undone sun]

faide and hippo have friend role, while i think faide had SF long long ago it was before the friend role came into place

i'm sure there's others but i cba

[analog zinc]

mechagon chest vs vex chest?

[limpid pawn]

having used both, i prefer vex chest

more consistency, impassive vissage is better than bulwark

maybe like for shorter pulls the mechagon chest pulls ahead, and like higher keys with pulls that last more than 15 seconds the vex chest is better?

[analog zinc]

I just remembered buying mecha chest because it was "bis" but I dunno if that just meant "bis from residuum"

[warm plinth]

Idk if it were me, I would pick Mechagon myself

[limpid pawn]

i've heard some people say it's flat out better than all other chests including vex

but i like having 2x HoD

3x bastion, 2x HoD, 3x IV

[warm plinth]

I don't think there's really a super wrong answer here though.

[grand drum]

Depends if you want constant stats or proc

[analog zinc]

next week I get to buy a specific helm

[steep bone]

typical pug key is typical
ML is no go zone with pug this week, learned that hard way

Any advices for motherlode btw?

robots are hitting hard, rock lances are hitting even harder, blowtorch is hitting super hard

[wintry pendant]

Have a rogue that isn't a piece of shit.

[steep bone]

good point

[wintry pendant]

Having dps that aren't proactively attacking higher health mobs to keep everything status quo on large pulls

[steep bone]

i mean i had mage combusting thugs instead of robots

and robots with 4 stacks

[grand drum]

On bolster weeks I stop those dudes from getting robots

[oblique garnet]

@analog zinc vexiona chest is better due to it having blood siphon and leech being dumb with corruptions in m+ but for raid mechagon is better

[steep bone]

Hmm

[analog zinc]

LEECH

LEECH META

[steep bone]

i wish i could stop them, we had wiperino on that 3 mobs pack before first boss and some smart dude just ran across packs back to us so we had almost all robots entered

[oblique garnet]

Yes leech is very strong right now for tanks

[analog zinc]

STACK LEECH CORRUPTION BOYS YOU HEARD IT HERE

i will frame this

[oblique garnet]

Not once did i say stack leech corruptions btw

[analog zinc]

when i'm done raid I'm gonna math out how much leech I can get to by stacking corruptions

[oblique garnet]

I hate all of you

[steep bone]

Wait is stacking leech corruptions now new meta?

[oblique garnet]

[undone sun]

[analog zinc]

@steep bone Yes!

[oblique garnet]

[steep bone]

gonna cleanse my twilight devastations then

[undone sun]

you do you

[steep bone]

so all of those r1 players are wrong and they should stack leech instant, 30+ done

[analog zinc]

all i'm sayin is

[oblique garnet]

They are stacking leech tho just as tertiary 🙂

[analog zinc]

if leech becomes meta or at least a strong option

I won't be able to resist saying I TOLD YOU ALL

[oblique garnet]

Leech corruption wont ever be worth for us

[steep bone]

im joking tho

[undone sun]

for any tank

period

[steep bone]

don't take me seriously

[oblique garnet]

Imagine not having 27% baseline leech

[steep bone]

imagine not being vengdh

[oblique garnet]

Why would you want to vengdh when all you are good for is tanking zul

[steep bone]

i've once heard that dh is harder to play than warriors

from dh main of course

[sick sentinel]

Naowh is using one leech item 465 instead of 475

[steep bone]

isn't leech cool if it is on item already tho

or avoidance was that

[undone sun]

no and no

[oblique garnet]

Yes leech is nice

But wouldnt drop ilvl for it

[steep bone]

@undone sun as in bonus stat, not corruption

[warm plinth]

I will await friend role patiently Late

[undone sun]

[grand drum]

Leech is so overrated. Speed is the best tertiary

[analog zinc]

vdh with spb is hardest to play but like

nobody runs that for super high keys

[onyx vessel]

Dh being hard to play

[grand drum]

Which feels bad because now you cant even cleave up all the souls, you gotta run around collecting em

[warm plinth]

Nah

You pick up souls by overcapping with the normal vdh build

If you generate a soul when you have 5 already, it autoconsumes

[grand drum]

Still feels weird imo, having 5 around and not using them

[lime mantle]

DH is hard because any time you're playing DH you really wish you were playing a good tank.
||Is DH still bad? I just like to shit on my alt.||

[mortal brook]

corruption dmg enables DH pretty well

[warm plinth]

Well you still soul cleave, and since you have no Spirit Bomb, there's no reason to not use SC with souls afaik? I could be wrong about that

[mortal brook]

need slappers/TD for threat gen tho, basically

in high keys

[onyx vessel]

No tank is bad

Maybe prot pally but eh

[undone sun]

hmmm

[onyx vessel]

[modern brook]

dh isnt a spec

it has haste and hasted rpm procs

[onyx vessel]

Dh cant become furry hence he doesnt like them

Since this is a tank channel we are talking about vdh also

[modern brook]

its true for either spec

[lime mantle]

I've not played since 8.2, and I enjoy shitting on VDH for laughs even if I actually love VDH because it's fun to jump around like an idiot

[onyx vessel]

Sounds like you should rp more

[lime mantle]

what'cha mean?

Anyhow, I came here to ask about trinkets, the usual stuff (didn't find any on the pins unless I am blind)

I've got howler, the tank one from n'zoth and the wings one from the first boss; I assume they're alright and howler+scale for DPS and n'zoth+howler for not-dying/cds?

[mortal brook]

problem with tankadin is that its very easy to be a bad tankadin. requires AM planning, a reasonably punishing execution for doing the rotation poorly, and then azerite traits and essences have to be tailored to content. then ofc the natural trap of basing your performance off your hps meter

spoiler, im squishiest when i get my r1 healing parses

[onyx vessel]

my guilds main tank is a prot pally

he always parses high hps

then gets 1 clapped on chadhar

[mortal brook]

womp

[onyx vessel]

teach him the ways

bigsteve

😆

[mortal brook]

and thats just azerite choices. you pick up BoL, you pick up Grace, you have an IV or RP or two, run LD/RP instead of sera, and you can faceroll keyboard and get an okay healing parse. you dont pick any of those and execute perfectly, might parse gray for healing. its a bad metric honestly.

[pliant geyser]

hey weird question maybe but is there a discord similar to this for other classes, specifically DH? i also tank with mine

[lime mantle]

Yes @pliant geyser https://www.wowhead.com/discord-servers

[grand drum]

https://discord.gg/felhammer

[pliant geyser]

thank you guys, i appreciate it

[pseudo depot]

what do you guys thing about surging vit?

[modern brook]

lol nvm i didnt see danie's link

[sick sentinel]

Because it really, really, really isn't

[versed widget]

hey friends, here to ask a question that has probably been asked 1000 times before

460 rezans or 465 vial? im running with a 470 socket nzoth trinket

feels like rezans so i dont put 1 min nzoth cd trinket on cd by using vial

[sick sentinel]

Rezan

[steep bone]

Is it me or its hard to get into guilds as a tank

[mortal brook]

few spots, low turnaround generally. yeah

[steep bone]

And some of those guilds requirements are ridiculous, top 500-600 asking for last two xpacs raiding experience while theyre able to kill bosses only after nerfs

[slender finch]

play lock or mage

and you‘ll get pretty easy in higher ranked guilds

Then just reroll tank

[sweet echo]

@versed widget vita. Or dragonscale. Dragonscale proc rage owns rezan. And passive vita haste and group proc buff will always be bis

[humble agate]

is searing breath garbage?

[mortal brook]

its worse than td, but if you dont have td

[last mason]

u guys think 475 td1 boe gloves are worth 400k

haste vers

[steep bone]

@slender finch i can agree on that, haven't had any troubles getting into guilds as mage, but... mage is boring af

[last mason]

have 400k to spend, because boe shields on my server are being sold for 1mil+ delusional chimps

[mortal brook]

@last mason TD1 shows on vendor tomorrow. prob just buy a cheaper gloves and then slap the contaminant on it

[last mason]

i have 470 td1 gloves

already

just not a 475 in that slot

mine are crit haste

well not a good 475

[mortal brook]

in that case, im not on the ball that 5 ilvl is worth 400k 😄

[last mason]

yea i figured

[steep bone]

you can buy corrupts and save until you get right item thou

[last mason]

thats true

[rose orbit]

Feeling squishy w Mythic prog atm, any advice? Can post logs if needed

[steep bone]

post logs ask questions, hard to tell without them

[last mason]

how much are jaina mounts selling for

[rose orbit]

gonna be posting on the log review chn real quick, thanks

[last mason]

these days

[humble agate]

is the best trink combo vita+defensive one?

would u guys go vita/dragonscale or vita/sigil

[left hatch]

sigil is not a good defensive trinket

[rose orbit]

sigil is not a good defensive trinket
@left hatch it isn't? was planning to coin it when we down M maut eventually

[left hatch]

its not

its a shitty version of LSP

the only place its good is mythic ilgy

use that coin instead on nzoth if you don't have one yet

[humble agate]

word kk

[left hatch]

or to grab skittra shoulders asap

and yeh cmoney, it really depends on your level of content

like personally doing 20's i don't really feel the need for LSP most weeks

and will run Vita+scale

[humble agate]

word

[left hatch]

if you find you need the 1m absorb and are making good use of it

its very strong

[humble agate]

whats insane about skit shoulders?

[last mason]

op and good traits

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yeh basically bis on every ring

BoM, HoD, OP and IV

the only things thats even kinda close is tank buster or kraken pauldron at mythic level

and even then skittra edges it out

cause the inner 2 ring

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the only things thats even kinda close is tank buster or kraken pauldron at mythic level
@left hatch Didn't know that about Skit shoulders, running H tank buster atm.

HoD > CH?

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on a 1 to 1 comparison CH is a bit better

cause you can game its proc

and its an insane amount of stats

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cause you can game its proc
@left hatch meaning?

[humble agate]

is it worth getting skit shoulders

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instead of being like most other procs where it randomly happens

[humble agate]

if i ahve to give up my only DC?

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its guerenteed to happen once a minute

on the minute

so its completely predictable

no, keep your DC

and also Tank Buster has scuffed middle 2 rings

OP and IV vs... irrc elemental whirl and nothing

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yup you're right about that..

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so for M+ at least skittra mythic is bis

alongside abyssal malevolence (if you're not going up to the 485 bosses) and the CH chest

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If i'm having trouble with surv. on Mythic, would u suggest swapping out TDs for vers corruptions?

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2 IT1's would be a better place to start

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yeah, im glad they're coming up

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expedients or IT if anything. but its likely not about stats. do you have logs?

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and also looking at what in particular is killing you

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i don't have ITs atm so its a godsend

and also looking at what in particular is killing you
@left hatch for my M prog so far, its just wrath's SBs atm

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Raid is super scripted, so generally you dont' need versa corruptions to live through anything. at most call for an external during those scary parts

yeh just better cd usage on his 2nd breaths

DS + SR for first

DS + LS for second

and if thats not enough have a healer pop barkskin or something on you as well

you can full clear mythic without a single versa amp

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i don't think i can DS for the 2nd if i DS for the 1st

i have no exp. running ITs (cause i just came back to wow)

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with IT you should be able to

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so without ITs i might have an issue

[sick sentinel]

Socketed 485 IT gloves tonight off carapace hnnnnnnnnnng

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and i remember being able to do it with my haste level

if yo'ure a little shy of it def call for an external

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I have H nzoth trink so i usually use it on 2nd SB

when i can

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that works too

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staggering SWs too

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it should be up for every 2nd breath

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on 2nd

for 1st it seems like a single IP has been good enough

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ah then just sit on DS and SR for 2nd

[rose orbit]

not sure why I still feel squishy after all this though. will try and pay better attention on subsequent pulls

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eh wrathion (and shad and ilgy) just really fucking hurt

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ah then just sit on DS and SR for 2nd
@left hatch abit hesitant to wait on DS till 2nd SB

[sick sentinel]

Not if you are a MAN

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you shouldn't need it for the first, and you def don't need it for his AA's

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you shouldn't need it for the first, and you def don't need it for his AA's
@left hatch just figured that having higher uptime would be better, but ill def try it out

but like u said

with the ITs coming

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nah, raid be weird

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I don’t ever sit on DS in raid, just IP first and SR + IP second

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i should be able to have DS up for both

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its all about living through burst windows however possible

uptime is way less important

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I don’t ever sit on DS in raid, just IP first and SR + IP second
@sick sentinel im taking alot more dmg for SR + IP to cut it for 2nd tho

😦

[sick sentinel]

Then psychic shell the second

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but like hawgz sed better to not sit on it if you can avoid it

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its all about living through burst windows however possible
@left hatch ill try to go in with this mentality then

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like ilgy

i 100% sit on DS

to make sure its up for the beam

cause fuck that noise

[sick sentinel]

IP + SR first then IP+psychic shell second

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meanwhile my DH laughs in almost 2m health at the same mechanic -_-

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IP + SR first then IP+psychic shell second
@sick sentinel sounds about right

is not having HoDs on me atm a huge detriment or nah?

[sick sentinel]

Tbh since you aren’t tanking the boss for extended periods on ilgy you can use LS for first beam then SR + LPS for second

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mmm if you still have heroic azerite

thats a bigger oof

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currently having BoM x3, DC, CH, MS

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than not having X particular trait

the only trait worth losing ilvl for is that first DC

which... feels like shit if yo'ure breaking that 3 stack of bom but

sadly its better

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so unoptimised traits but higher ilvl > optimised traits?

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yeh

exception being if you get something truly god awful

like your only options are callous and bloodsport

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i have pauldrons of infi darkness (475)

let me check its traits..