#protection
chilly brook
warm plinth
I am a dwarf 😠
ionic fern
hmmmmmmmmm
left hatch
oooo
upper violet
delete
upper violet
why u got 2 windows of details seems kinda unnecessary
ionic fern
NOW we're talking
left hatch
i have 2 details myself
ionic fern
#GhashForSF
left hatch
one for current and one for overall
warm plinth
Ignore anima. I have like no essences on that toon 😬
ionic fern
Wait
left hatch
gotta flex on my friends and remind them they still behind (;
chilly brook
Timers show up on the left or right of the WA but also slightly above
upper violet
dwarf warrior was my first character wheres my SF 
warm plinth
They are literally the only two trinkets I own on that toon Mwahi
ionic fern
😂
chilly brook
@upper violet two windows of details is nice let's you track two different metrics
sweet summit
🤣
chilly brook
Plus nothing else going on in that space
upper violet
dont care much about hps tbh
left hatch
who cares what healers are doing 😄
upper violet
YEP
warm plinth
I don't have HPS but I do have a damage done and a dynamic overall damage one
ionic fern
All you need to track is Interrupts.
Then you know when to yell at DPS players when you get hit by 5 Water Blasts.
chilly brook
Nah but I can change it to interrupts and flame the idiot not interrupting
warm plinth
But yeah idk why but Afenar's is good but not for prot war. I just feel like everything is hard to keep track of despite it being fine for my DH and every other toon I've used it on
left hatch
i think you have to individually scale down the pieces and move them
i had to do that with sloots legion WA set
ionic fern
I don't want to look at DPS metrics since it always makes me sad so i just save myself from the dissapointment.
upper violet
u see thats kinda bad thats a lot of work scaling them down and moving them till they are perfect
warm plinth
If you want the entire thing smaller, you can just change the size of the group I think
left hatch
and then i move my own cd bars wher i want them
chilly brook
Also I like having HPS up so I can flex my 120k HPS as a DH
left hatch
the healer i usually run with flexes that for me
chilly brook
Lol
warm plinth
LOL
left hatch
and then yells at her husband who usually tanks for us why he can't heal like that on his bear
chilly brook
Ran with a group yesterday that was like "can you please not get TD procs? I dont like losing to a tank"
chilly brook
Lol
sweet summit
left hatch
meh well have other cool shit
warm plinth
So you wouldn't overwrite procs with real Avatar probably?
chilly brook
Yea
upper violet
yeah but it shows in the new thing
left hatch
i just got a AVA uptime thingy under my character (its smol) for that
chilly brook
Just use khakans
left hatch
if theres a smol dwarf under me, i have ava up 😄
warm plinth
But yeah I just need to figure out what is weirding me out about this suite
So I can fix it
chilly brook
Just use khakans
upper violet
if u ever play dwarf, pop avatar and stoneform u turn huge
warm plinth
I've used Khakan's before and had the same issue
left hatch
for some reason i never noticed my dwarf in ava stance vs not
left hatch
im awful about character visual ques when im clapping
also don't notice meta on my DH
warm plinth
I don't ever look at my toon really
left hatch
only way i tell its faded is BD changes color ):
ionic fern
I can't even see my tiny dwarf in the middle of the mob pack.
😒
If you can see your toon you're not pulling big enough.
warm plinth
I hope you're not in the middle of the pack Mwahi
Because that would mean you were getting hit in the back
warm plinth
Pugging 🤢
upper violet
when some dps takes aggro and u walk a bit forward and some mob hits u in the back once 
ionic fern
All i do is PuG.
warm plinth
Instant sack of potatoes
sweet summit
he is BLASTING
ionic fern
Big blaster.
I honestly have been thinking about starting pushing again for like 2 months now but i don't have the time/motivation. 😦
So i just log on and do the highest key available at the time with PuG's and log off.
😂
chilly brook
I feel like this week is a horrible week to pug
All my keys last night had people leave
ionic fern
Any affix that places any responsibility on DPS players is a bad week to pug.
amber siren
upper violet
any affix that places responsibility on anyone that isnt yourself is a bad week to pug
chilly brook
Truuueeee
Pugging as a vengeance DH kinda sucks cuz the healers always waste their CDs
orchid frigate
got some weird gloves on druid
i guess that the use effect is lackluster compared to stats 
left hatch
I think that proc is pretty good tbh
warm plinth
Idk anything about druids tbh
chilly brook
@orchid frigate the on use is really good
orchid frigate
ill play around with it and see
chilly brook
I have a 465 version on my monk
left hatch
Plus ilvl is still imortant on bear
chilly brook
It destroys my 475 wrists
left hatch
Stam bolstered by mastery and a % heal is way bigger deal than for warrior
upper violet
seems good for raids and tyrannical weeks
sick sentinel
good news, i got giga haste, meh news only td2
upper violet
sick sentinel
52% with the 5 stack haste talent
rapid drift
Pugging in general is bad for your sanity
sick sentinel
yes and no? we all have good days and bad
sometimes everyone is just with it and it just works
still pagoda
orchid frigate
thinking of gushing wound for dudu if i go resto
nei or jei? 😄
ooh look what i had in bags
orchid frigate
even has a socket
sharp rover
How do I learn how to snap properly?
amber siren
@sharp rover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSfIpFamnuc
sweet summit
tldr
chilly brook
Just be a demon hunter and everything is a snap because double jump is broken
sharp rover
Is there a list of snappable spots?
amber siren
i dont think theres a compiled list, there's a lot
sharp rover
I've seen a lot of neat snaps but I can't replicate them because I can't find the correct spot
sweet summit
dont think someone has made a full list
sick sentinel
Snappable spot: basically any place where a mob can’t path to you
amber siren
usually it's just a matter of finding an object or terrain you can't reach by walking, so anything you can only jump or leap to
chilly brook
Literally jumped off the stairs at the start of Shrine last night to demon leap or w/e it's called for vengeance and the mobs snapped to where I was mid air and refused to move....
Good guy BFA
Still got all the brokenness in dungeons
sick sentinel
Yeah dh breaks a lot of stuff
chilly brook
I have a bad habit of double jump gliding everywhere
And it has a bad habit of breaking mobs, specifically the ob mini bosses
left hatch
theres some really.... interesting things that can be used
like theres a lecturn in the entry of WCM
orchid frigate
and never anyone to MD/Tricks me
left hatch
that can be used to snap all the ghosts to
its also not a snap, but the HUGE value similar thing for that in WCM
tame garden
Atal snaps are pretty easy as prot thanks to leap
left hatch
is turning off the dogs leap/cleave after lord waycrest
have your ranged (and if your healer is considered a 'ranged' healer) on the ledge in the back of the room
warm plinth
Yeah, can do the same thing with the gorgers earlier on in the dungeon
left hatch
and the dogs get confused and don't jump, just AA you
warm plinth
They'll still retch but they won't leap randomly away
chilly brook
Middle pack in AD is so free on non bolster weeks because of snapping
left hatch
its a bit slower, but you can scootch over on the sides of the sconces
no jumping required
for some reason the mini ledge is wide enough for you to run on... but not the adds
warm plinth
Yeah on most of them you can literally walk to the snap points
chilly brook
I'm assuming a sconce is that nice pit of fire thing on the bridges
supple vortex
When leap is on cd and u jump on Rezan >
left hatch
yeh
chilly brook
Cuz if so those are great snapping points
left hatch
i mighta scuffed the spelling
chilly brook
Just jump onto the thing on the backside
The platform that extends out from the bridge
orchid frigate
so its an angel thing?
chilly brook
The dino pack in the middle cant even charge when you do that it's so free
chilly brook
I thought that was the thing you wore on your chest
warm plinth
That's a brassiere you weirdo
chilly brook
left hatch
technically the sides of the bridge are walls
and its mounted on the side of the bridge
(;
but yeh you rite
chilly brook
Aren't they on a lifted platform not a wall?
left hatch
mmm probably
i considered the whole structure part of it
buts its probably more accurate
oh my brain is really wrong
for some reason i thought the little nubs on the side of the bridge
had little bowls with fire in them
but watching dratnos' vid they def don't
so im reallllly dumb
left hatch
its been like a month since iv done AD haha
and im just making up archetecture now
but yeh if the dude that was asking is still around, the way i learned was just setting dungeons to normal and going in by myself
and practiced them
esp the AD bridge ones, till i got it consistently without falling into rezan
lot easier to get that shit down without the pressure of actual danger or a timer or guildies that yell at you when you mess up
chilly brook
Ye falling is a hazard if you're not an OP movement class like DH
Double jump glide is ez mode
bitter jewel
this might sound like a dumb question but at 469ilvl i should be able to easily tank a 15 right? provided that im playing correctly
sweet summit
yes
strong forum
very
general rule of thumb i have, if it drops lower ilvl than you have equipped, it should be easy 🙂
bitter jewel
okay cool so it was me who just screwed our key last night 😄
strong forum
theres always multitude of reasons why a key can be bricked
but ye if you had trouble surviving, prolly on you
bitter jewel
it was more of a mechanics issue than a prot issue
was just conflicted
and i may or may not have had a high uptime on shield wall
left hatch
i mean... i use SW on cd around pulls
almost on cd*
were a proactive tank
so the more foreknowledge you have of when/where the big damage is
and the less you hold/use shit as an "oh fuck" button
the better you'll do
bitter jewel
fair
cursive burrow
Think they meant SB?
left hatch
and that comes from experience and scuffing keys (:
well high uptime of SB is the point lol
bitter jewel
yes
left hatch
so if they did gj!
steady slate
i've been using sigil of warding in m+ recently, since my dps trinkets aren't very good.
sweet summit
steady slate
it's been a lifesaver quite a few times
steady slate
yeah. it's usually just enough to bridge the gap when i'm out of cooldowns and the healer is trying to get everyone back up
steady slate
basically, i use it when it all goes sideways, and in my m+ runs, things go sideways quite often
steady slate
extra packs get pulled, interrupts get missed, etc
left hatch
ah well extra packs yeh
interrupts you can sorta account for
you have 4 (and sometimes 5) ways of interrupting most mobs
steady slate
hunter pets decide to take a trip to egypt and bring everyone back with them
the hunter pet ai this xpac is beyond stupid
left hatch
i mean... i have a BM hunter that does 18+ keys
its stupid players
that tab target
the pet ai is fine
steady slate
every time, pets wander off in random directions, making new friends, and bringing them back to the party
sick sentinel
What if I tab target
left hatch
yah thats a player fucking up not the ai
you need to target something and autoshot it
or have some way to tell your pet to go attack it
steady slate
it happens so often, consistently, and with so many different players that i wrote it off as a bad pet ai
left hatch
you're blessed with exceptionally bad players
nah its just dummies that tab target lol
other range can get away with tab target flubs cause they don't instantly auto shot stuff and put it in combat
steady slate
i thought it was blizzard wanting to give us all a taste of that good ol' classic hunter
left hatch
and the few instances that your tab targeting selects something in a diff pack
you also don't instantly aa it from 50 miles away
or have some macro that has forces your pet to use their ability bound to everything because you get more dps if you force use it
but yah, maut might feel nice
but its a shitty version of LSP
steady slate
i generally don't get too upset if the extra pull is followed by a misdirect to me.
left hatch
and even if you lack LSP
most times yo'ure better off with Vita/dragonscale/rezan
they arn't "dps" trinkets
steady slate
i have that too. i was gonna try it out tonight. the LSP
left hatch
yah...
sick sentinel
Infinitely better
steady slate
i like the 1 min cd instead of 2 min
left hatch
its hard inting not using it
yah thats the reason its great
maut is only a good trinket on like... mythic ilgy for the beam soaks
steady slate
i do have one dps trinket, torment.
sick sentinel
Not even cause every person should be able to survive ilgy beam without using a trinket tbh lol
left hatch
but i do see ppl calling things like Rezans or Scale a "dps" trinket
when its on the tank loot table too :l
and veer away from them for shit like Sporepods cause "sporepods is a tank trinket cause only tanks can get it"
steady slate
i use vita and LSP for raids, and swap vita for torment in m+.
left hatch
lsat 2 xpacs stat sticks have been some of the strongest trinkets in g ame for us
ah well if you comfy using it
by all means
but id sit maut in your bags till you do Mythic ilgy
steady slate
it just seemed right. i'm basically flying blind
left hatch
mmm get in the habit of not using shit as an 'oh fuck' button
yeh you might wipe when some idiot pulls extra packs but
your overall performance will be a lot higher
steady slate
i've been using maut and torment for m+.
left hatch
and your healer will be free to dps more (or heal ppl standing in stuff)
yeh... thats making things harder
steady slate
i could go torment and vita or dragonscale or jes
sweet summit
vita and scale, join the haste gang
steady slate
what about the other ra-den trinket?
sweet summit
void bad
left hatch
awful
sweet summit
straight up
sick sentinel
steady slate
bummer. i just got it
left hatch
the shield gets absorbed isntantly so the crit never applies to you
sweet summit
avoid it
steady slate
i'll try out vita and scale tonight. see how it goes
i'm working in the 13 - 16 range.
left hatch
but yeh, if yo'ur eworried about things going tits up
that trinket combo is oof
cause maut really isn't a great trinket in most situations
and the dps trinket doesn't help when things go bad
so you're hurting yourself from both ends haha
steady slate
i think i have a gore-crusted butcher block in my bag as well. haven't really tried using it
sick sentinel
Block is great
Another one of those stat stick trinkets that are all around good for us
left hatch
yeh id personally slot that in on necro weeks
the amount of parry it gives is ❤️
other shit id stick to Vita/Scale though for the 13-16 bracket
don't really feel the need for more damage outside TD to justify torment
and the haste is just a nice overall boost and goes perfect with our kit
zoomzoom
steady slate
should i stick with bolster or move to indomitable for bigger TD?
upper violet
bolster always
left hatch
yeh the damage gain from indom is nowhere near worth the defensive loss you'll get from Bolster
sweet summit
You dont actively seek out more raw hp in terms of essences/talents to buff TD
left hatch
and arguably bolster is just as much a dps gain cause you (ideally) are using the reduced LS cd to get more LS's in
which gives you more health anyway
if you're sitting on LS to use it as an oh fuck cd yo'ure misunderstanding its place in the kit
its basically a big SB charge to be used roughly on cd
its not necesarily a defensive cd the way SW is
steady slate
i'd love to move away from TD anyway. the randomness of it drives me nuts. sometimes it procs like mad and does a ton of damage, and other times it doesn't proc at all or in the wrong direction
i use LS pretty proactively, mostly for the block on big pulls
with AM it's up about every minute or so anyway, so why not use it
left hatch
yeh you basically use it as a filler for when SB is down
3SB->LS->2 more SB
is the best case scenario on pull
eh sorry to burst your bubble
but TD is here to stay if you wanna optimize for keys for a longggg time
you can do other shit but
not the optimal play
if you wanna be tankier the 2IT 1's and expedients will help you
but id also advice against relying on a full def build at that range if you plan on going higher
best to learn the ins and outs of the class near perfectly now, when you can get away with mistakes and the extra defense isn't needed
rather than have to learn to play perfectly in 25's when you need both that AND the versa build to live
(tldr sometimes being punished for your mistakes is a good thing because you learn from it, and sometimes going full into versa for instance will deprive you of those learning opportunities, in the same way you do'nt pick up mechanics in lfr or if you're being carried by a geared group reclearing fights)
muted spoke
orchid frigate
havent been keeping up, but how does pwar look in SL so far?
upper violet
orchid frigate
thought that ion at one time stated that pwar was supposed to be a high damage output tank
left hatch
havn't been paying any attention to damage numbers cause tuning is gonna muck everything up
just how it plays and if theres anything to worry about defensively
its slow
a lot slower
but its fine
upper violet
shield wall and ls i guess lol
upper violet
im pretty sure something was taken off
one of those
rerolling arms bois
it was a good run
steady slate
lol
sweet summit
orchid frigate
rip
upper violet
ravager rise up
strong forum
Yeah no.
sweet summit
strong forum
Ravager will never rise
left hatch
ah you right it was DS as well
sweet summit
just you wait, just you wait...
strong forum
Hasn't risen in 3 expansions
upper violet
they buff it or something
left hatch
pog
steady slate
looks interesting for arms
strong forum
They can't buff it reliably, cuz you'll pick HR
Unless ravager increases block duration, it won't be a pick
austere storm
I'm definitely planning to play pwar to my heart's content in bfa while it's super strong and maybe consider trying a new tank for SL
strong forum
Or reduce the CD to 30 seconds
left hatch
do'nt freak out about the changes
strong forum
Fotm players 👉 🚪
left hatch
the current build is dead
but prot is still VERY SOLID
despite having to pick diff stuff
just might not be the aoe dps kings
or a zoomer spec
austere storm
I just like different styles of tanking, not necessarily fotm. I like dk because of the self heal, so it's totally different than pwar. It's too much to try and maintain two characters for me
upper violet
dont rly care if current build is gone i had fun with prot in legion which had a different playstyle, just kinda sad about AM being scuffed
left hatch
yeh its a good thing to have a diff shift in what the meta build is
same playstyle for 3 1/2 tiers is enough for me
strong forum
I'm excited for it to be nerfed tbh
The harder prot, the more I want to make it work and btfo doubters
left hatch
the lvl 30 talent row in particualr looks like some juicy options
and choices are ❤️
pretty solid aoe/st and cleave talent choices as of rn
upper violet
this might be unpopular opinion i liked vengeance
strong forum
I liked it too
left hatch
i love my VDH
upper violet
the talent.
left hatch
oooo
left hatch
i miss the mop AP increase from damage taken
being top damage on garrosh as a BDK was the dream
didn't even need a stupid purple lazerbeam proc to do it
still pagoda
Ravager will never rise [2]
still pagoda
need it baseline with much more damage
left hatch
and maybe make it a decent dps talent
still pagoda
/endthread
sick sentinel
Someone link me said changes
left hatch
you have to muck through some 'nerf's cause a ton of spells are broken up by rank
and their current state is handed back piecemeal
so its a dense change list
strong forum
Yeah nah, that's just a broken link in the database
warm plinth
Why would they do this to me
strong forum
Bloodbath doesn't exist either but it's still mentioned
warm plinth
They actually nerfed Ravager according to this too LUL
last mason
What’s warbringer
warm plinth
The best talent ever
Made it so intercept stunned all enemies within 8 yards of the target for 1 second
And it wasn't on stun DR
exotic spoke
Ahh those were the days
strong forum
*and it worked on friendlies aswell so you didn't need the minimal range
left hatch
was warbringer the legion talent that charge had a stun with no DR
still pagoda
@warm plinth Me: Sees Warbringer tally getting datamined again
Also me: WE WILL BRING A BRIGHTER FUTURE WITH THE WEAPONS OF TOMORROW
left hatch
oh you just explained it
still pagoda
left hatch
scrolling is a thing lmfao
warm plinth
Yeah Nome, though ngl I would still love it if they brought it back and only had it on the enemy version
We could work around that
sweet summit
like baer is now
upper violet
Bear used to pump in legion
upper violet
Luffa latc 
left hatch
or Pink pall had in tomb
big gaps in spikes where youd just be obliterated
made raiding with one an uphill battle
last mason
Veng was gigafun though
left hatch
for sure
last mason
Esp since it wasn’t fotm
left hatch
the only thing i had more fun with than Spirit Bomb was baer
Luffa Latc ❤️
disco bear make pretty lights
left hatch
didn't get much into pink pal
was turned off by
"oh sotr fell off, you ded (: '
from a cotank
also hard noped offa dk right after the mini raid
upper violet
Ah yes fel claws
left hatch
meanwhile my bear slept through that 😄
sharp rover
How important is it to have psychic shell for m+? Low 20 range
upper violet
Same
left hatch
mmm
helpful but not necesary
you'll probably have to temper some pulls a bit
and be extra careful about hero buster
and zul
sharp rover
left hatch
BDK just was in an awful place at the start
left hatch
hey you legit can't be anyhting but add tank on Cenarias 😄
left hatch
oh whats that? you have 99 parses and are doing what a 40% parse bear is in early NH
oof
it took till end of NH for dk to be fixed
bear was strong at the start
its warrior that was the come from behind sleeper op tank
going from outrageous for a few weeks -> heavily nerfed -> a 2 set so good you legit didn't take it off for 2 whole tiers
meanwhile i baer land i don't think i used a set bonus either of the last 2 tiers
limber gull
alright lads ive decided prot will be my main tank spec
now
its time to change from the fucking belf female to a new race no allied
my thoughts are between orc and tauren
left hatch
pick what you like the look of
the racial differences matter virtually nothing
outside of the utility of Belf's aoe purge
limber gull
tbh i like it but i dont like the idea of being
a small skimpy ass girl
idk why its a female lol
steady slate
a small emo skimpy ass girl?
left hatch
eh my friend has all his ppl be belf females
"would you rather stare at a girl ass all day, or a dudes ass all day"
is his reasoning
steady slate
i'm normally zoomed out so far that i can't really make out individual characters
left hatch
imagine picking an orc
over a thicc milk gal
smh
and yeh same, i don't relaly look at my toon
limber gull
idk i think id like being a big bulky tank
steady slate
i went tauren because it's easier to see and the transmog looks good on it
limber gull
hmm
steady slate
besides, you gotta imagine getting smacked in the face with a giant trash can lid by a massive tauren has got to hurt
steady slate
lol true
limber gull
haha
left hatch
like i have to run the stupid hat toy to turn me into a gnome pirate to do Workshop
or i can't fit through the door leading to 3rd boss
steady slate
really, the only deciding factor is which model suits your transmog better
steady slate
what about a panda? they're big
left hatch
wrong kinda big
steady slate
lol
left hatch
tho i will say
still pagoda
dunno, but maybe i should clear this out a bit?
left hatch
KT is my fav for BM monk
the built in beer gut is just too perfect
mmm showing debuffs from everyone
steady slate
that is one busy ui
left hatch
is oof
limber gull
omg
left hatch
raid frames also pretty thicc for a non healer/nonbrez class
limber gull
i got the name potl over
mortal brook
Thats some bloat right there
left hatch
also why your chat floating away
limber gull
my mains crowlover lmao
still pagoda
well
steady slate
i'm not a minimalist, but i try to stay as close to base ui as i can
left hatch
im big into minimalism
hide most of my bars
and esp keep as much screen real estate open
to see all the shit i wont move outta 😄
and die
steady slate
i'm old. can't see those tiny bars and buttons minimalists like
left hatch
oh i have big WA buttons
but only like... 8
and hide my bars and just remember what bind shits on
rather have 8 largish WA's showing for cds than 20 smol buttons
steady slate
i zoomed in my ui i think to 110 or 125%. i agree with keeping the middle of the screen clear, but i don't want eye strain either
left hatch
ig im more minilist in the sense that i hide or remove clutter
and yeh i blew up the default Elvui Rage bar
to be about as thick as the line of buttons under cartons rage bar
make the important shit a bit bigger
hide the rest
but lesbehonest ui doesn't matter
transmog is the only true factor
of how much deepus you do
mortal brook
Xmog is the real endgame
upper violet
Real
bronze terrace
Can someone tell me why his corruption effect is red and not blue/DarkBlue
slate pond
when you go over 60 corruption you get that effect
bronze terrace
Rly it gets red ?
bronze terrace
😂
steady slate
isn't that beer that comes in the small bottles?
left hatch
So it is
Damn thats a real brave boi
I go to like 79 sometimes as hdh but 80 is something else
sweet summit
still no carapace mace i cba
mortal brook
depends on spec and how well they can deal with cascade
last mason
Memey*
mortal brook
mage? just blink. w/e
last mason
I mean warrior can’t at least right?
I’d guess maybe dh can also and that’s it
Because dh things
left hatch
as long as i don't get a double eyeball at a time i can't move outta it its fine
boomkin can do it as well cause root
its also fore easy reclear fights only lol
strong forum
Fragnance plays 130 on shadhar
strong forum
Most parse Bois play 80-120+ on shadhar
chilly brook
On a side note you should be able to disable the visual effects on your character for corruption.
sweet summit
its gobb i think
sweet summit
yep
strong forum
That's the whe shtick about it
warm plinth
Can you imagine if that's how Recal worked; I'd still be using that shit
warm plinth
Yeah
I would've put far more effort into farming a higher yellow card, that's for sure
I had a 445 recal though
limpid pawn
So then it’s not worth using two 465 versions of them if you have 475s
But it is worth it if one of them is 475
left hatch
basically
limpid pawn
Isn’t the haste also worth more for us because of our increased survivability though
left hatch
hard to say because its not the only consideration
stam, what other stats you're giving up
personally id probably hold onto the set
but its not clear cut
the ring thing is a rule a thumb so heavily feelycraft
strong forum
the 465 combo, without sockets only sims 40dps less than 2x 475 crit haste + socket
so yah
if you get 1 socket on the combo, theyre already better than two max rings with sockets
strong forum
na, its way more than youd get from 10 ilvl
limpid pawn
I have a 475 logic recursion and 465 bit band both socketed
limpid pawn
They seem ultra amazing during the runs I did with them
limpid pawn
Like that haste proc is always up, no joke
strong forum
yes
left hatch
secondary scales stupid fucking slowly this xpac
strong forum
its 15sec uptime, 15sec cd
limpid pawn
So... the proc on the rings is worth over 75 I level then
If a 50 haste gem is 25 ilevel
And the proc is like 150+ haste
strong forum
165 on 465
limpid pawn
Yeah that makes much more sense
left hatch
(the 50 secondary being 20ish ilvls is also discounting stam)
strong forum
well its not worth 75 ilvl, because you have to equip both rings
ontop of needing a socket
cuz equipping a ring without a socket is inting
limpid pawn
Yeah bro I’m fully socketed all slots
left hatch
strong forum
ye
upper violet
consoles 💤
left hatch
why hate on exclusives
strong forum
consoles 💤
left hatch
smh
upper violet
i have my pc
left hatch
pc master race always keepin me down
upper violet
not going to spend money on console
upper violet
when theres a million games available on pc
no
nintendo is worse than ps
its for weebs
left hatch
millions of good games tho
upper violet
weebs are a curse to mankind
strong forum
weebs?
still pagoda
yah Karton... the 50 stat gems are about what 25 ilvls gives you
@left hatch
HOLY SHIT
strong forum
nintendo is for people that enjoy actually good games and dont take themselves too seriously
left hatch
caue they were like HURR DURR DIS RING 5 ILVLS BETTER
the switch is a masterpiece
have i spent as much time on it as just wow? no
warm plinth
Well
left hatch
still great
warm plinth
I have one complaint about the Switch
warm plinth
I have big hands and it's uncomfortable for me to play for very long periods because of how scrunched together everything is
left hatch
but yah the joycons suck
and are next to unusable cause i have long fingers
and have the same issue
warm plinth
Is the joycon the default controller?
left hatch
mhm
warm plinth
Do you have a link to the one you use?
warm plinth
I personally think it's a tie between PS3 and Xbox 360 for controllers tbh
warm plinth
Oh yeah that looks nice
left hatch
well worth the 50$
warm plinth
Guessing it's out of stock or something lol. It says "Buy used for 85.95"
left hatch
if you have gamecube nostalgia i think you can get a wireless controller thats shaped the exact same
like nom was talking about
warm plinth
I always thought the C stick was dumb
left hatch
and yeh, rona has lots of shit out of stock
warm plinth
But that's just me
left hatch
i had to go to stores at on restock day for a few weeks at dawn to find a switch for GF's birthday
cause Animal crossing + quarantine has made the switch super hard to come buy
if you arn't willing to pay 200 extra for it
still pagoda
left hatch
i really liked the 64 controller
100% nostalgia blinded
100% it was a derpy amalgamation for ppl with 3 hands
but i loved it
final moon
Good evening. Sorry to squeeze in with an off-topic: I'm new to m+ tanking and is there is summary, which essence to take in which dungeon? I've seen that only for high m+ and only for major is a document pinned, but what about the selection of minor essences?
strong forum
check out the icy veins guide @final moon and also check out #268491842637660160
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Those cables are giving me anxiety
left hatch
yeh peruse the guide on icy
and if you got more questions come back
and well be more than happy to answer more specific questions
final moon
Alright I'll check that. Thanks 🙂
limpid pawn
Lol, I don’t know the best way to manage that many cables
left hatch
cause... literally every xbax game is now a pc game
Zip ties my friend
zip ties and little labels
limpid pawn
Xbox one X is pretty solid, most games perform better on there than ps4 pro
And no I’m not a Microsoft sack rider lol
strong forum
console games are just scuffed PC games, the exclusive games are just movies with no gameplay with your once per console good title
limpid pawn
The best one of all for sure is the switch don’t @ me
cursive burrow
I bought a PS4 first, then an XB1, I now have an XB1X and I love it
Gamepass is just too good
cursive burrow
Also I'd rather play on a console than PC anymore. So much more comfy, wish they had WoW on consoles for everything but raiding/dungeons
left hatch
uncharted GoW and nioh 2 are works of art id put beside Mario Odyssey any day
and im the same Tunda, the controller is just comfy for 90% of games
and idc enough that all my games be fully optimized in 420HD 100FPS
limpid pawn
When I’m playing mythic plus, I legit have my adrenal glands firing full blast with 300+APM
It’s like I’m piloting a ship out of some serious trouble at all times
But when I’m playing the switch, it feels like I’m playing a video game
final moon
So am I correct to basically run: perfection (major), aegis, lucid and strife? Which m+ has a reasonable amount of magic dmg to replace one of those minors by the dynamo?
strong forum
tos, wcm, ws and high tyr ML
left hatch
depending on your level though theres better options than dynamo
final moon
recently running the first 15/16 in time.
left hatch
at that range proper cd usage
and interrupts
are more than enough
null isn't as fantastic in raid because even in those dungeons 70+% is phys damage, it doesn't scale into aoe, nad its rarely consumed
also id advice running sphere over aegis in most cases
final moon
Yeah I already put some logs into the analyzer and realized, that I can use a lot more cds than I'm currently doing. my rage waste gets better but uptime of the rest can be improved a lot 🙈
left hatch
aegis is very strong if you play into it, but if you're not in combat with 6+ targets it falls off compared to the other stat essences
while sphere is just a 100% uptime of a buttload of haste (:
and not everyone chain pulls or does adds with bosses to benefit from aegis (so in st bosses its basically a dead slot)
left hatch
well def not this week too haha
last mason
Yea obvi lol
left hatch
if you're truly having issues surviving and want a go to guerenteed increase
save your echoes for next reset
and pick up 2 IT1 corruptions
warm plinth
@limpid pawn Have you heard of cable management?
final moon
Isn't it recommended to run plain versatile corruptions?
left hatch
not at all
last mason
Only in high keys
left hatch
the first pin in this channel discusses it in detail
last mason
Where you get oneshot even with proper play
left hatch
but hte TLDR is versa corruptions arn't worth it till you're in the 20's
and even then you still take 2 IT1's
final moon
Alright thanks for the summary.
left hatch
at the level yo'ure at haste is a MUCH better defensive stat for you
(versa scales up very slowly, so its ideal against burt damage/1 shots while haste synergizes with every aspect of our kit)
final moon
Currently I don't have sphere and AuG °.^
last mason
Haste just feels amazing
left hatch
and IT gives you more interrupts, more spell reflects, higher uptime of Avatar (you can chain 2 ava's back to back with it)
sphere you only need rank 1
so its easy to pick up
final moon
hm okay maybe I just need to win one av then 😄
left hatch
and Aug is something for very very very high keys
so dw about it till yo'ure at least at like... 22
(:
last mason
Didn’t even know people use aug
final moon
Haha and currently I'm not sure if that even happens until shadowlands 🙃
left hatch
well skys the limit (:
strong forum
nobody runs aug these days tbh
left hatch
as far as you're CD usage, a lot of that comes from experience
were a VERY proactive tank
strong forum
that was only easly S4
left hatch
so the more foreknowledge you have of whats scary, when you need it what you can get away with etc
the better yo'ull do
to the point cds arn't an 'oh shit' but something you use roughly on cd
to make spicier pulls
or to give your healer an easier time on some rough packs
final moon
Hm yeah I realized that dungeons I ran a couple of times are a lot smoother than not knowing even the dangerous trash ...
left hatch
yeh, best teacher is experience
thats another reason versa isn't amazing in lower keys
it can be a crutch thatd save you from a huge mistake that would otherwise kill you
and sure thats good in the short term
last mason
Be a key deplete terrorist until you’re not one anymore
left hatch
but just like you don't learn mechanics well in LFR
final moon
I draw some valuable knowledge from the darkmech m+ videos, sadly he's dk 😐
left hatch
if your ass is saved from big mistakes like that in a 13
you won't know you did something wrong when you'r ein the same situation in a 16
and itll def kill you then
final moon
Yep.. That's the problem if you are getting carried by the group. It's difficult to learn from the mistakes.
left hatch
if you go on Raider.io and look at top prot list, theres a little red dot next to their name if they're live streaming
and you can pick up a lot of tricks watching them
final moon
Uh nice hint! thanks
left hatch
but. take it with a grain of salt 27's are a world apart from even 20's
last mason
Be a key deplete terrorist until you’re not one anymore
Best way to learn is the hard way
left hatch
so not everything they do is optimal
100% what sleepy said
make mistakes
scuff keys
see what went wrong
and don't do that again
xD
final moon
xD
last mason
Don’t worry about people being mad, their video game egos are irrelevant
final moon
What kind of trinkets should I run, when I don't have access to raid equip?
final moon
I just got my hands on the 465 rezan trinket.
left hatch
i think the best M+ tip iv ever seen was Trell said that 'anytime you get to a dungeon at a new level, do'nt expect to time it. its completely new content as far as you're concerned and you have to relearn it, even if it takes 5 or 10 tries'
last mason
That’s so true actually
left hatch
yeh. esp when you're like me and its easy to slip into the mindset of
'well we did this on a 21... so 22 we should do it easily right?'
and then get mad when you don't time it
last mason
It’s like raiding, a new fight is a new fight, you will wipe
left hatch
and yah rob, if you don't raid best bet is Rezan and Butchers block
strong forum
my experience is that it takes 2 tries to time a new key level 👍 but thats only mid range keys for now
final moon
So beside rezan I really go for the butcher block? Crit?
last mason
Another thing I’ve learned to do is take your sweet time preparing for a run, even in pug. Get a route, give each portion a look over
Don’t let them rush you
Even on low keys
left hatch
yah. theres really no other good trinkets outta M+
strong forum
its moreso that we're carried by gear
left hatch
the tank specific ones are awful
last mason
final moon
And the blood vial from underrot? With plain mastery and str use?
strong forum
its good for dps, but not amazing
last mason
Hard to micromanage
last mason
But big 👏
last mason
I hate the feeling of having to press a million buttons to start doing dmg
Which it feeds into
hoary root
I need tips on handling the blob obelisk at tol dagor this week. Especially when there’s no rogue. Doesn’t seem to have much space and dps starts to take lots of damage.
Any help would be much appreciate.
left hatch
I backtrack with the bob down the side path
final moon
Yeah definitely. I'm already struggling with shield block uptime and using every reset of shield slam / thunder clap. then dumping rage into ignore pain. It get's a lot better the last days but the beginning was hard 😮
last mason
It also sorta on the dps to get in front of the blob to not get trapped
last mason
I’ve been on the dps side and learned the hard way
left hatch
and gives you room to move forward while they deal with the eyes
still pagoda
honestly, having a group of guildies makes high-mid keys pepega level of easy
dunno how it will go in 20+ stuff
left hatch
yeh rob, its a learning curve, but once you get the fundamentals down to muscle memory
hoary root
So possibly I pull the blob back while waiting for dps to do the eyes. Then leap forward to move to the stairs together?
left hatch
you'll be able to do up to 17's with no real problems
survivability-wise
nothing really scary before that
still pagoda
^
left hatch
Yeh marc, theres a little side nook to move him in
or even backtrack to the stairs you came up
final moon
Alright thanks for the advice! 😊
still pagoda
just the start of the ramp u[
left hatch
just anything you can do to move the boss so its NOT in the path you need to move forward
since most of his pools are pooped directly out of him
warm plinth
We surprised ourselves by timing Freehold on 21 when it was the first time we'd done it on 21. Though we did do an out of time tyrannical one on 22 last week so it was sort of a step down
hoary root
Got it. tol dagor and atal are like two dungeons I have problems with. what’s the current optimal pathing for atal? Saying that you have a fire mage.
last mason
Atal is antifun this week
left hatch
I go priestess first down her stairs, jump down to rezan -> troll side from entrance -> clear out the middle bridges
warm plinth
Pretty sure that's what we do as well, mostly
left hatch
fire mage is largely irrelevent to my strat
what changes this is do i have someone with vanish/play dead
or someone willing to sac themselves to do middle (and troll) obelisk without doing the trash beside them
if not yo'ull def have to seperate the saurids from the big dino pack
hoary root
I usually do rezan to totem boss to priestess. Seems tight on the timing always
Not sure if it’s ineffective pulls maybe.
sick sentinel
The problem with that is it can throw off your lust timings tbh
left hatch
the obelisks have made doing priestess and making a weird figure 8