protection

[solid crystal]

oh okay maybe thats what im doing wrong

[warm plinth]

You don't have to do anything

He'll pull you in

Just don't move after he pulls, and use SR during the Consume cast

ez

[sweet summit]

yep

[loud shoal]

you can move in the puddle with spell reflect but you can't move if you are dispelled which is interesting

[sick sentinel]

so, i'm aiming for what % of blocked attacks?

[sweet summit]

as high as possible

[sick sentinel]

like 70?

fellow prots, can you spellreflect alleria's polymorph-cast so you don't end up as a sheep? (-:

[sweet summit]

yes

[sick sentinel]

noice

thanks

[sweet summit]

but its only a deflect

[sick sentinel]

that's fine

everything else would be op I guess 😄

[loud shoal]

just kick it lol

[warm plinth]

Why kick it when you can kick the missiles instead

[sweet summit]

youre out of melee for like 90% of that fight

[loud shoal]

alleria is last boss isnt it

[sweet summit]

alleria doesnt have missiles

yeah

[warm plinth]

Oh Alleria, right

🙂

[loud shoal]

polymorf cast is one of the times you can dps her so

[warm plinth]

Yeah no reason not to just kick it on her, unless you get caught out of position

[loud shoal]

you would def be in melee

and kick is off gcd

[sick sentinel]

sometimes stuff happens

[loud shoal]

also to your point usually I use an orb on the mage tower boss so I let the missles go thrpugh becuase I have so much sanity and just kick polly

[sick sentinel]

and having an extra button that "saves" you

is nice

[loud shoal]

but I do my visions as fury so

[strange tide]

Can you accidentally reflect the eye or the stuff on the ground?

Don’t know if they’re reflectable or not

[sweet summit]

yes you're immune for 5 seconds then. the corruption eye at least

not on alleria

[buoyant walrus]

If I only plan on running +15 dungeons would it be better to get damage corruption like TD or should I still go for some vers and CD reduction

[sweet summit]

TD

IT1 is always worth if you can

[chilly brook]

TD bruh

Vers shouldn't even be a thought until 25s

Yeet it from your mind

[buoyant walrus]

Thank you.

[still pagoda]

Fucking shrine

[grand drum]

Idk why blizzard is so inconsistent with bolstering

in FH and TD, non elites dont bolster

[sick sentinel]

Breh you gots to imprison that man

[grand drum]

in others they do

[strange tide]

Can just leave and reset him?

[sick sentinel]

That too

[mortal brook]

i found the problem

those 4

[sweet summit]

:O

[ionic fern]

Is the problem that it's a miniature screenshot?

[mortal brook]

screenshot of a screenshot, even

[ionic fern]

Inception.

[compact wren]

Is there an FAQ for prots?

[loud shoal]

it's neutral mobs that don't bolster not non elites

[compact wren]

I have some questions about corruptions, and im not getting any good results out of simming

[loud shoal]

except maggots i think

off the top of my head anyway

[sweet summit]

@compact wren there is a pin about corruptions

if you cant find what you're looking for just ask

[muted spoke]

what essences major/minor to maximize damage on lower keys?

[sick sentinel]

For damage VoP/Lucid major with CnS/lucid/sphere/sotw minor

[chilly brook]

@compact wren literally #268491842637660160

[exotic spoke]

Depends on how you pull / the dungeon / the week / group comp. but in general hawgz is correct

[sick sentinel]

If using lucid major use VoP minor

[still pagoda]

Bolstering SotS...

[sick sentinel]

Ez key

[exotic spoke]

Shrine isn’t bad

[still pagoda]

not with pugs who don't know what CC means

[exotic spoke]

I mean - I found the problem

“Pugs”

[sick sentinel]

Hey don’t shit on pugs

I boost pugs every week

They’ve earned it

[exotic spoke]

Lol

[chilly brook]

Pugs can be good

And they can be horrible

[exotic spoke]

They can be good. Or the can be shit

It’s the unreliability that makes doingnkeys in pugs a nightmare imo

[chilly brook]

Just do your own key and be picky

[still pagoda]

most i see are utter garbage

aight. Time to get into the land of CC abuse

[chilly brook]

Leave early if its gonna be a bricked key

And start again

[still pagoda]

did it right away

since i've seen pugs ignoring their own CC

[languid heath]

+1 for Shrine hatred 🙄 (with pugs)

[still pagoda]

i haven't seen a trap or hex

on any windspeaker small mobs

[exotic spoke]

I wouldn’t trap or hex them

Snap them to the little pillars away from her

[sick sentinel]

^

[still pagoda]

mhm\

[exotic spoke]

Aoe the 4 mobs down and then kill windspeaker

[sick sentinel]

Big snapz

[exotic spoke]

You can separate that pull

[marble cipher]

Yeah no snaps needed at all

Just pull small ones without windspeaker

[exotic spoke]

I mean, the easiest way to separate them is with a snap

[sick sentinel]

Yeah like

Why wouldnt you snap them

[marble cipher]

Cause I don't know the snap point there 😫

😂

[still pagoda]

but how i can avoid pulling windspeaker at the same time

?

[marble cipher]

Taunt left most mov

Mob

[exotic spoke]

You taunt pull them onto the pillar and they all snap and win

[marble cipher]

Windspeaker doesn't link

[exotic spoke]

Then they also don’t run away and Aggro her

[still pagoda]

OK

gonna do that after JY of one of my guildies

[exotic spoke]

I’ll go into one and post a screenshot. Let me save my Civ game

[calm magnet]

So how do you guys deal with zul in kr? Hits really hard this week

[still pagoda]

get a good healer

and spam IP

[marble cipher]

Spam cd's and pray

[still pagoda]

and cycle CD's

[calm magnet]

Reflect works right?

[marble cipher]

Y

[calm magnet]

How about using lucid major and spam ip?

[marble cipher]

Don't use rage on blocks

[sick sentinel]

Don’t overlap cds and don’t press sb and you’ll be fine on every key until like 22/23

[marble cipher]

Well, that would work, but I don't run lucid major

[exotic spoke]

Allegedly you can skip Zul again - people found a new way to do it but I haven’t done it first hand

Using the obelisks

[calm magnet]

Oh wow

[exotic spoke]

I can’t remember specifics but there’s a way to do it

[calm magnet]

So is he really hard to deal with this week? Or am i doing something wrong

[exotic spoke]

He’s aids to deal with on any fortified week

[sick sentinel]

can you guys see this one? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mLfJ2YT7934rRHnV/

[loud shoal]

zul fort is always hard for warriors

[sick sentinel]

this was a succesful junk 13

[exotic spoke]

What about that log?

I can see it

[calm magnet]

Im thinking of running lucid major for magic damage bosses this week

[sick sentinel]

trying to see what i'm doing right and wrong generally

[exotic spoke]

What level key Polits?

[calm magnet]

Low keys - 13 to 15 range

[still pagoda]

guys

EU

[calm magnet]

Im still trying to leaen XD

Learn

[still pagoda]

Is HM enemy on Gunker this week?

[calm magnet]

Really happy tho I times my first 15 before reset yesterday

Timed

[exotic spoke]

You can use Lucid. However there more important things to focus on if you’re just starting for survivability

[sick sentinel]

hey congrats polits i'm more or less same boat re-leearning what i already knew

[calm magnet]

Thanks man, it feels really good to have a clean run lol

Building up my confidence in 12 to 15 range keys

Tho when it comes to magic damage, its kinda hard to deal with when im in a pug

[sick sentinel]

You'll definitely fall on your face a few times, but it really does get better.

[chilly brook]

Magic damage shouldn't really be an issue in 12-15

Unless you're just not getting kicks

Then there are bigger problems

[sick sentinel]

@chilly brook got my slappers on dh no more strength off hand

[calm magnet]

Yes definitely. I had trouble with 10 to 12 keys at first cos i get pressured

[chilly brook]

Nice

[pastel sleet]

Magic damage > ignore pain, spell reflect, shield wall, potions

[calm magnet]

Yeah im having rotating kick issues

[chilly brook]

I was supposed to do heroic last night with a guild I've been helping cuz I want vita/slappers but someone decided they needed to change the modem and router

[calm magnet]

Those witch doctors in the first room in kr are nasty too

[sick sentinel]

I just made a macro that says "My interupt is down, get the next one if you can."

[pastel sleet]

Guys I got lucid rank 3 finally, is it better than aegis in m+?

[chilly brook]

I'm assuming you're talking minor?

[pastel sleet]

Of course

[chilly brook]

Because yes I would probably run it over aegis

[loud shoal]

again @sick sentinel yogi last stand is your filler friend when you are running our of shield blocks you should be using it. you only have 10 casts of it during a 33min dungeon

[chilly brook]

Aegis is finicky unless you're pulling 6+ mobs every time

[pastel sleet]

Got it

[sick sentinel]

so, last stand every pull basically?

[pastel sleet]

Yeah kinda

[loud shoal]

pretty much

[pastel sleet]

With haste and anger management it is off cd soooo fast

[chilly brook]

Not evey pull

[loud shoal]

with AM it's up for almost every full

[calm magnet]

I pop last stand before big pulls

[loud shoal]

but you do want to be smart about it

[calm magnet]

Thats ok right?

[pastel sleet]

Eh

[loud shoal]

make sure you have it for bigger pulls

[chilly brook]

But every pull where you have gone through both shield blocks and need to continue blocking

[loud shoal]

for extra safty

[pastel sleet]

I have 100% shield block uptime in m+

[chilly brook]

@calm magnet I wouldn't pop it until you need it

[calm magnet]

Ohh

[loud shoal]

and agies minor I think depends on the key

[exotic spoke]

@calm magnet You dont want to use last stand on pull. Its better to use 3X sb > Ls > 3x sb

[calm magnet]

Ohh okok

[chilly brook]

^

[pastel sleet]

What riki said

[sick sentinel]

@loud shoal how much haste u running to achieve 100% uptime?

[calm magnet]

I tried to pop it before pulling 9 mobs on fh last week

[pastel sleet]

Want last stand to be filling recharge time on sb

[exotic spoke]

^^

[chilly brook]

Just block 4head

[calm magnet]

Will keep that in mind

Thanks 🙂

How about when im about to cap on rage while sb is up?

[loud shoal]

I don't necessarily have 100% uptime, but it's close, kind of depends on IT procs and what not. There are times during longer pulls or bosses where you run out

[calm magnet]

Use ip? Or revenge without proc?

[chilly brook]

Ip

[sick sentinel]

I have about 55-65% uptime on SB, no IT's tho

[chilly brook]

Only revenge with proc

[exotic spoke]

use IP or revenge depending on your IP level / open GCD or not

[chilly brook]

Its not a huge dps increase

[sick sentinel]

just now when looking at my details on bosses

[loud shoal]

well if you look at an overall key there is downtime so

and last stand I don't think counts as shield clock uptime

but it is

[sick sentinel]

my details are bugging when looking at buff uptime cause i can't see my overall

[warm plinth]

Details doesn’t track non-combat time

[exotic spoke]

I mean, you can spend rage on revenge - it just depends on if you have open GCDs or not

[warm plinth]

And no last stand does not show as Shield Block uptime; it shows as Last Stand uptime

[chilly brook]

Uptime is pretty much irrelevant in terms of shield block usage, EFFECTIVE uptime is what you want

@exotic spoke yea you can it's just largely an irrelevant cast since it's basically just a slightly better deva but cleave

[loud shoal]

if you add up last stand and shield block the uptime should be very high

some boss like last two in molo you don't really ever press shield block because it's all magic as well so

[calm magnet]

More or less 50 seconds of sb?

[loud shoal]

take that into account

[pastel sleet]

Revenges utility is getting aggro back from the idiot dh

[chilly brook]

That's what clap is for

[pastel sleet]

Clap revenge clap reveng

[chilly brook]

Nah just clap

[exotic spoke]

10.5k damage for me and a cleave

And clap isn't enough to hold aggro at time 😄

[chilly brook]

Nonsense

[exotic spoke]

I mean.. Ok

[chilly brook]

Clap is OP didn't you know?

Sorry I'm being sarcastic

[exotic spoke]

I know 😛

[chilly brook]

Cuz y'know community perception

[pastel sleet]

Skittish week + eye beam + meta + azerite beam + eyebeam.... need more than clap

[chilly brook]

"Reeee prot warrior is busted aoe clap is too stronk"

[pastel sleet]

I’m venting.. a lot of dumb dhs last week

[chilly brook]

Its ok

Just take solace in the fact that it could be a lot worse

[still pagoda]

fucking huntards

3k rio boosted monkey who pulls EVERY FUCKING MOB

[chilly brook]

And be thankful you're not a VDH playing Russian Roulette on aggro

Against 2 fire mages

On skittish

[calm magnet]

Lol

Vdh has trouble maintining aggro?

[warm plinth]

Yes

[upper violet]

this week is somehow worse than last week for me

fuck bolstering

[chilly brook]

Vengeance is the weakest damage tank pretty much

[calm magnet]

Oh wiw

[warm plinth]

My tank is a VDH and I’m a hdh. On skittish I have to basically wait and see if he gets a TD proc on his opener before I open

[calm magnet]

I thought it was bm

[warm plinth]

Or I instapeel with eye beam

[chilly brook]

Nah BrM slaps

[calm magnet]

Good thing i didnt boost a vdh then

[chilly brook]

I'm doing 50k single target on my BrM

[sweet summit]

BrM just needs a keg smash and they good

[calm magnet]

Also got a bm monk, i thought they had low damage output

[mortal brook]

TD enables vdh by a large margin regardless

brm is easy to have low output on, if you get caught spamming

with proper rotation youll slap

[exotic spoke]

TD is the devil on dps. It’s a good way for them to kill themselves

[calm magnet]

So basically

The only thing to watch out for as a prot warr is magic damage

[chilly brook]

Still think Vengeance is the most fun tank though

Dont @me

[upper violet]

i kinda wanna play havoc

seems rly fun in m+

alts arent my thing tbh

[loud shoal]

it gets old really fast

it's super fun at first

at least that was my experience

[upper violet]

well if its boring can always tank

[chilly brook]

Havoc is fun as long as you dont have to build fury

[upper violet]

vdh seems good

[still pagoda]

alright. +17JY(easy key tbh). Huntard with 3k rio starts pulling ahead of the tank without saying shit, blames me and says i'm a trash tank for "not being able to handle 3 mobs" when the problem was in DPS dying due to his idiocy

than i've got flamed by random social from the guild

[modern brook]

I'm not sure whats going on karton

but it seems

[still pagoda]

this guy literally wasted 3 sparkbots

by killing other DPS and making 2 wipes

[mortal brook]

fixed to avoid witchhunt \o/

[still pagoda]

:D

[modern brook]

I did a 19 JY yesterday where the dungeon was clean af if a little inefficent pathing

and then on the last boss fight we had ~6 mintues left, no spider to deal with

and after the phase the healer just like didnt do the obstacle course

and everyone bled out

and after the tank finished the channel he ran up the thing and brez'd us

and we still only missed the thing by 10%

and then after we did the 2nd phase (2 phasing jy last boss off tyranical ) he did it again

and we wiped

I've never been more angry and i apologize for not keeping that to one scentence

[regal saddle]

I always find how hunter to be really good or really bad and toxic xD

[upper violet]

logging on to flame that hunter

[modern brook]

lol

[upper violet]

jk

doing a 30 tank raid

[modern brook]

the new meme is 29 fire mages

[mortal brook]

and a vdh pog

[modern brook]

They killed heroic drest w/o the void

[upper violet]

yeah but u know

i dont play a mage

and its easier than tanking normally

i hate tanking raids tbh

[chilly brook]

@still pagoda seems like an EU problem

[strange tide]

@still pagoda I’m on Draenor-EU and BurningLegion is normally a shitshow

[mortal brook]

meh, there's toxic ppl everywhere

[upper violet]

true

[mortal brook]

snobs in various ways

[upper violet]

is it normal to drop a darkness as a dh during 3rd freehold boss spin shit

[mortal brook]

lots of wrong people out there too, stuck with their bad ideas

there's even ppl that dont like my transmog. its wild how wrong they are

[sweet summit]

@upper violet aye more boss uptime=more dam

[upper violet]

seems kinda weird

wouldnt u rather save it for harder pulls

[loud shoal]

it's so melee can stand in and dps

I find as a tank I don't call for darkness on trash

[sweet summit]

Same

I kinda like it on zul, can help there. But thats about it

[loud shoal]

yea

zul is good

but to me that's like a boss fight

[warm plinth]

There isn’t a reason to darkness in freehold unless it’s bursting week and even then FH trash is very controllable as far as bursting goes

[loud shoal]

really short really painful boss gith

[warm plinth]

That being said I don’t darkness on trothak because it’s not reliable enough on tyrannical for me to risk it

[sweet summit]

i still think its weird they put a random trash pull after the last boss of kings rest

[still pagoda]

@strange tide Seems like a BurningLegion problem

[sick sentinel]

Do I need rank 2 conflict strife, to loot the currency for rank 3

Burgeoning something

[sweet summit]

Ya

[sick sentinel]

Fuck

[sweet summit]

Yep

[chilly brook]

@upper violet just be a vengeance demon hunter and stay inside the whirlwind and laugh at it

[sweet summit]

You can block it as warr

[upper violet]

if u open the box first time at more than 1000 rating u r instantly getting rank 2

[modern brook]

u can get r2 w/o r1 if u get 1k before the conquest box

david types too fast

[upper violet]

[sick sentinel]

Ohh that's good, it's 4 weeks instead of 5 weeks then, from rank 0 to 3 right

[chilly brook]

I mean you could do it in 2 weeks

[upper violet]

if ur like 1.6 ye

[sweet summit]

Depends on rating, but ye

[modern brook]

its 3 weeks at 1.6k

[chilly brook]

If you're good enough

[modern brook]

5 weeks at 1.4

[upper violet]

1v1 me typeracer m8

[modern brook]

15 at less

[sick sentinel]

2.1k needed for 2 weeks

[modern brook]

I wasnt aware there was another upper bound to 1.6

[modern brook]

i just hit 1.6 in 2s then conquest capped in 3s

[sick sentinel]

Yeah same im 1604 I don't dare play more 2s now

[chilly brook]

Just cap through warmode invasions

[upper violet]

thats too slow

[chilly brook]

Never pvp again

[modern brook]

why would i do world content

when i can do like 4 3s

[upper violet]

i wanna cap in 1 day and forget about it tbh

[modern brook]

and be done with it

[upper violet]

yep

[sick sentinel]

The player killing in zones was fun to do, gave like 250 conq

[chilly brook]

Some dudes don't wanna pvp ever again bro idk

[sick sentinel]

As far as I’m concerned world content was removed as soon as my neck hit 75

[chilly brook]

Just giving options

World content can't die as long as echoes are a thing

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel as a fun little note on that; i've been gearing my warrior soley through return-favor carries on 15s.

[sick sentinel]

You love to see that

[modern brook]

So he akwardly has an ilvl of like 460~ and no cape unlock

[sick sentinel]

My guild mates are the ones who suffer when I gear an alt

[modern brook]

and his necks only like 72

[sick sentinel]

Bruh do the cloak quest line your neck will be like 80 by the time you’re done lmao

[chilly brook]

Yall are gonna suffer when I'm tanking on my bear this week

[modern brook]

dude the cloak questline is literally the worst part of rolling alts

[sick sentinel]

I agree

[chilly brook]

You all better bring worldvein

[primal dune]

Hit a fat 700k TD crit on Maut that one shot me

[modern brook]

its like 2 hours long

[sick sentinel]

I commit to doing one cloak quest line every Saturday morning

[primal dune]

Have mixed feeling about that

[sick sentinel]

I get my coffee, turn on some tunes, and grind

I dont really get it though, you get Conquest if you do dailies in wm?

Which ones

[modern brook]

a strong way to deal with that is to not run td on maut

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel the invasions

[primal dune]

Isn’t there a way to skip all the cape quest but the last wrathion one?

[modern brook]

@sick sentinel the invasions

[sick sentinel]

In Vale etc?

[chilly brook]

Alliance/horde invasions

[modern brook]

like "oh the alliance is volduun"

[sick sentinel]

700k td one shot you where is your health brother

[chilly brook]

Not nzoth

[sick sentinel]

Ahhh those yeah forgot they existed, thanks

[modern brook]

they only give like 15 conquest per quest

[chilly brook]

700k td, those are rooky numbers

[primal dune]

I sit on 712k hp

[chilly brook]

1.7m TD crit

[primal dune]

Was on 680 when it happened

[sick sentinel]

That may be enough if you do all of them in a week

Prefer that over 3s lul tbh

[chilly brook]

It will be enough

[modern brook]

thats a wierdchamp from me but yeah its an option

[sick sentinel]

Also @primal dune there is no way to skip all quests except wrathion. If there is you need to inform me immediately

[chilly brook]

You can skip a lot

[modern brook]

u can skip the scenarios

[chilly brook]

Except for the two invasions

[modern brook]

not the walking back and forth

[chilly brook]

And the wrathion scenario

[sick sentinel]

Wait

So you’re telling me

[modern brook]

just talk to magni again hawgz

[primal dune]

I made the same mistake brother

[modern brook]

FWIW hawgz

you save like; maybe 20 minutes

[sick sentinel]

Well guys it’s been a good run time to eat some lead

[primal dune]

I only learned that after I got all my cape quests on the toons

F

[modern brook]

its still an absurdly long quest line to make a character playable in the middle of an expansion

[sick sentinel]

The scenarios are like 1/3 of the time lmao

[primal dune]

Imagine not being able to solo wrathion questline

Invasion could be down by doing the coin icon mini scenarios on your map

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I want a button from blizzard saying “you have done this before here is your cloak”

[chilly brook]

You still gotta do the wrathion scenario

[primal dune]

Gives 28% progress or more each

Learned that from random Australian streamer that I watched for 20 seconds yesterday

I regret nothing

Finished both invasions today in 10 min

[chilly brook]

Invasions are still a pita on an alt

[sick sentinel]

Wait you never did bonus objectives in your invasions? Lmao rip

[modern brook]

i really like the warthion scenario cause it previews some of the raid mechanics

[primal dune]

Wait what raid mechanics

[modern brook]

like being in an incredibly large, roofed room that ou're not allowed to mount through

[primal dune]

Mood

[chilly brook]

Lol

[primal dune]

Imagine having to walk through the entire thing as a priest

[modern brook]

bro itd be faster to swap to holy just to use the feather

[chilly brook]

Imagine being a dk and doing it

[sick sentinel]

Only playing mobile classes for alts

[primal dune]

Disc has feather too

[sick sentinel]

Monk, dh, etc

[primal dune]

Rogue Druid

[modern brook]

My rogue's off spec is subtlety

and i move ~10% slower than mounted characters while in stealth

its godly

[primal dune]

Imagine having an OS that’s also dps

[chilly brook]

Imagine playing sub and just being worse at everything compared to assassination and outlaw

[primal dune]

But he’s the fast

Why fight when you can run?

[modern brook]

sub can literally one shot ppl in pvp

😬

[primal dune]

So can my twilight

But I can’t be one shot

One day my haste crit TD build will become meta

[chilly brook]

I mean a naked prot paladin can one shot in pvp

I dont think sub one shotting is impressive comparatively

[modern brook]

yall stupid then idk what to tell you

[chilly brook]

Lol

[primal dune]

Surely there exists some combination of severe and TD that outweighs TD expected damage

[still pagoda]

rip +17SotS

purely because i forgot to rebuild the route

[primal dune]

Not because dps missed int and you got one shot by water bolt?

Or dps not walking into melee range of the first boss and healer gets one shot?

Those two are my favourite ways to go on that dungeon

[modern brook]

my favorite is people not kicking 2nd boss correctly

then ppl saying "god damn i hate shrine"

just press kick dude what are u doing the dungeons free

[still pagoda]

Not because dps missed int and you got one shot by water bolt?
@primal dune

I was literally going by random combination of the route i was doing before and how i've been doing it on the last week of May

which resulted in me doing total bullshit with literally zero planning

i'm a bit sleepy

so... Fuckup is a norm

[primal dune]

I roll the dice on if I want to do the bridge elemental

On the one hand I want to pad my metres with the dot reflection

On the other the retard dps dies to storm

[slender finch]

@modern brook dies to first cleave

God damn i hate shrine

[still pagoda]

this is basically the route i did most SotS runs after replanning

but this time around i forgot to check down which i'm looking at and literally went in without a plan

[primal dune]

Remember when second boss cleave used to be undodgeble?

[slender finch]

?

as far as I remember it was always dodgable

[primal dune]

Cleave used to be a tank buster

[sweet summit]

It did?

[primal dune]

Really?

[slender finch]

Just now he doesnt move while cleaving anymore

[grand drum]

it was dodgable, but you had to move fast

he just casts in place now

[slender finch]

But rather does it to a fixed direction

So less likely your tank 180 snipez u

[primal dune]

I feel like dbm should add cleave warning to dps as well

Idk why it’s not there by default

[upper violet]

do i level my monk

[slender finch]

theres dungeon weak aura pack for it

[primal dune]

Quality

[modern brook]

it is; u need to be targeting him

[sweet summit]

Yes ww is kinda fun david

[slender finch]

or just never stand in front of boss works too

[modern brook]

which is why u never see it

[upper violet]

its like 117 idk

[modern brook]

cause when u are targeting him ur also cooking dinner

[upper violet]

i dont like gearing shit

[slender finch]

think the worst part will be

[grand drum]

i like ww and mw, but i dont like brm

[upper violet]

used to play mw

[slender finch]

How will one ever go back from awakened affix

[upper violet]

but idk its kinda weird

[primal dune]

When you’re kiting multiple cleave adds and casters, it’s almost guaranteed for a dps to be hit by random cleave

[slender finch]

no

like thats bad positioning

By dps

[primal dune]

If there are 3 cleaves going off consecutively

[slender finch]

yeah so cleaves are frontal

[primal dune]

That pretty much covers 200 degrees around the pack

[slender finch]

Stand behind mobs

Done

[primal dune]

There’s no behind when tank is also kiting around the cleave

[slender finch]

🤔

[modern brook]

bro adds stack

[primal dune]

First add cleaves, I side step, second add cleaves immediately after, I step again

[slender finch]

yeah so?

[modern brook]

just be behind him

[slender finch]

so can the dps move

[primal dune]

Dps rotates and get cleaves by third add cleaving in the same direction as first

[modern brook]

also ur melee movement means nothing

[slender finch]

no?

[grand drum]

can you also stun the adds that cleave?

[slender finch]

Thats just bad dps movement

[primal dune]

Do you expect pug dps to have perfect positioning without warning from a pack of 5?

[slender finch]

Depends on lvl of player I guess

[modern brook]

I expect them to avoid damage yeah

[primal dune]

I’ve never seen a pug not get hit by the 4 construct pull at start of KR

[slender finch]

Well then they r bad

[sweet summit]

Thats on you, if they move infront they bad

[slender finch]

Cuz u can force them where u want them to be

[modern brook]

also like dont stand in the bubbles. problem solved

[slender finch]

i pug everything and in tos pulling whole snake room in non bolster

No issues with 300 cleaves

[modern brook]

and on that particular pull the cleaves are so well telegraphed if u fucked urself into a spot where u have to get hit by at least one

just pop a defensive

[slender finch]

actual only hard stuff is random casts going off

But cleaves not at all

[modern brook]

I die to the tos blade flurry

but thats 100% because im not paying attention to my positioning

[slender finch]

same with shadow cleaves in wcm

[primal dune]

Imagine dying to power shot

[slender finch]

If u die to it

Position yourself better

[modern brook]

"avoidable damage is avoidable"

an excerpt from my novel, how to stop thinking 15s are hard

[slender finch]

in 15s might as well just soak them

[primal dune]

I saw that

All 3 of them

[modern brook]

blame phones man

[slender finch]

So healer doesnt space out

[modern brook]

bro i honestly dont get how healers can go through a dungeon with like 0 dps

wtf do you do half the time

[slender finch]

🤷🏿‍♂️

[marble cipher]

Wank

One hand on rejuv

One hand.....

[slender finch]

I mean we just had the argument from healer saying bursting is hard affix

[modern brook]

thats a ptsd'd healer

[marble cipher]

That's one who's seen 10 bursting stacks way too often

Rolling even

[slender finch]

But 10 stacks are no issue

[primal dune]

Watching 4 extended to 5 and then 6 half a second before expiring is traumatic

[sweet summit]

one heal

[slender finch]

Its the extends

[marble cipher]

It is if they roll

[amber siren]

just one heal

[slender finch]

In shrine we take 15 stacks first room

no probz

Its the dps last second extendind 5-6-7

That causes trouble

[primal dune]

Just have a DH solo and everyone walk out

Ez

[marble cipher]

Try delaying the next stack till last second, that's fun if you wanna have the healer cry 😂

[modern brook]

and its always the guy who goes "haha bursting's a healer problem"

[sick sentinel]

alright,

[slender finch]

bolstering 🤔

[modern brook]

that one was me

[primal dune]

Saw that too

[sick sentinel]

it probably wont add much but i recorded that 13 junk too, and i'm currently uploading it to YT as we speak

[slender finch]

bursting is so ez with dps with 2 braincells

Abyssal healing + immunity/defense on cd

Basically no affix

[modern brook]

dps mains replace their braincells with chromosomes dude

[primal dune]

I nonironically failed a 10 JY before bed

[slender finch]

howww

[primal dune]

Carry dps was distracted cuz his dad had an epileptic episode

[sick sentinel]

last week was literal free keys if your group wasn't

[primal dune]

Second carry dps was new to junk and ate mechanics

[slender finch]

junkyard carry dps are shockbots

[sweet summit]

[marble cipher]

I left a 17 ToS last night before reset because the tank kept insisting to stack first two bosses and said it was a dps positioning problem that got us oneshot due to shield reflect 🤷

[slender finch]

I leave jy with 100k + on my tank

[primal dune]

Third dps was a carry

[sick sentinel]

like last week was so easy, i timed a 16, and when i cam here i'm learning i'm doing so much wrong.

[slender finch]

Last week was also significantly easier than this week

Ppl undervalue affixes

[loud shoal]

tanking is a bit harder on fort weeks than tyran weeks because boss dmg is very predictable

[sick sentinel]

or, when i started with logs last night rather

[slender finch]

They time 20 in fort burst volc

[primal dune]

I left TOS before reset cuz the dps kept on hitting shield despite me pulling them apart

[slender finch]

Then choke 18 in grievious

[primal dune]

Boomkin died to lightning shield 4 times in a row

[loud shoal]

I failed 3 25 ToS's last week D=

[hallow phoenix]

Tyrannical ToS is awful tho

[sick sentinel]

I hate volcanic because it's another voidzone and does 40% flat current HP, 2 of those or 1 + mechanic in a 15 and your flattened

[primal dune]

I just see his solar flare slowly fly across the screen and his health disappear

[slender finch]

If u play with boomer u need to spread bosses more than usual

Cuz sunfire/moonfire

[sick sentinel]

boomkin is good

[hallow phoenix]

Twin moons

Is the issue

[sick sentinel]

i have had many succes with moonkins in group, bfa and before

[primal dune]

No he’s just fucking solar flare the fucking shield down

[sick sentinel]

they bring balance to the group

[upper violet]

[primal dune]

Stfu yogi

[slender finch]

let the rage flow through you

[primal dune]

How else am I suppose to play warrior

With pain?

[slender finch]

no

You ignore pain

[primal dune]

Ahh

This is too cringe I’m going to sleep

[slender finch]

😁

[sick sentinel]

LOL, gotta be able to take a joke right?

[primal dune]

Ignore pain on GCD is a joke

[slender finch]

soon 42% beam

[sick sentinel]

question

is it worth binding IP to gcd with any ability at all? like the heal after kill thingy?

[slender finch]

i wouldnt

I want to control my defense

[primal dune]

Would it be a terrible idea to bind it to SB

[sick sentinel]

what about real world effects if i race change tuaren toBE

[primal dune]

Like you either have no rage to cast IP or excess rage to cast it

[sick sentinel]

lose stun and versa hp, but gain instant 15 rage ability

[primal dune]

And if you’re popping lucid that can easily overlap

Overcap

[slender finch]

I just use goblin

Free haste and rocket jump mvp

[sand turret]

When would you take c&s minor instead of aegis?

[slender finch]

When u pull small

And cns gives u more vers than aegid

[sick sentinel]

Always take CnS minor

[warm plinth]

You always take it

[sick sentinel]

Not optional

Absolutely smoked ghash

[warm plinth]

Yeah, 4 seconds faster. What am I doing with my life

[loud shoal]

if you're not running CnS major then I would always run it over agies

as a minor

[sick sentinel]

Regardless of build CnS should always be in the equation

[atomic grove]

is surging vitality r3 worth it? or its better to play 2x 12% versa?

for m+

[slender finch]

@warm plinth why always, I guess need to know what keys hes running

[amber siren]

if youre going full verse you'd use one surging with the rest ver amps

[slender finch]

e.g. i whether play one nor the other

[warm plinth]

Because you aren't consistently pulling 7+ targets

Which is where aegis gets better than C&S

[slender finch]

pretty sure I do

as said, depends on key

[amber siren]

aegis loses all value in single boss fights, CnS doesnt

[sick sentinel]

No you always play CnS one way or another content doesn’t matter and if you are consistently pulling more than 7 targets then run aegis with CnS

[slender finch]

but I play sphere minor over both of them anyway

[amber siren]

[warm plinth]

If you're running vers you would likely run C&S AND Aegis

[sick sentinel]

Not running CnS is actually inting lmao

[slender finch]

is it?

[warm plinth]

But if you're not running vers, just C&S. It's far more consistent.

C&S is a fuckload of vers with 100% uptime

[slender finch]

so?

[warm plinth]

Aegis is dynamic and is virtually useless on small pulls and single target

[sick sentinel]

Gearing philosophy is more stats > certain stats. The stat gain from CnS is more valuable to us than the haste from sphere and will most of the time provide you with more average stats throughout a dungeon than aegis

[slender finch]

I don't think its just as black and white

as I only tank 15~18 I just run full dps

🙂

[sick sentinel]

CnS gives you more dps than sphere

[atomic grove]

What about Ineffable Truth r1 after nerfs? Still worth it on prot?

[sick sentinel]

Didn’t affect us

Well

Not majorly

Yes still worth running

[amber siren]

nerfs didn't go through

[atomic grove]

oh ; o

[upper violet]

i have been inting for a while

1 more week of inting

[sick sentinel]

Thought the hoj nerf went through tho

Did it not yet

[amber siren]

they decided against it last minute

[sick sentinel]

Shows how much I pay attention

[slender finch]

@sick sentinel thats not what raidbots tells me though

[amber siren]

something something spaghetti code

[orchid frigate]

is it possible to sim with "potential socket"? that is if i have one item how will it sim once its socketed?

[sick sentinel]

@slender finch what essence set up are you running

[slender finch]

lucid/flame major - vision minor sphere minor warden minor

with 2x td

[sick sentinel]

@orchid frigate you can modify the input to put socket on gear

Lol rip rando got tagged

[slender finch]

changing sphere to conflict will result in ~3k dps loss in dungeon slice and almost 7k dps loss in 6 targets 1min

[upper violet]

i think dungeon slice is bad

[sick sentinel]

A) Don’t run dungeon slice it is unreliable at best

[slender finch]

and as I don't need the survivability I just go as much dps as I can

usually finishing around 80-90k overall currently

[sick sentinel]

I mean you should be finishing that high at that key level

[slender finch]

I think its at the higher end

due to running high corruption as well

[sick sentinel]

It’s probably average

[slender finch]

if you say so

[upper violet]

how many td r u runing and whats ur ilvl

[slender finch]

477 or so

and 2x 18%

[sick sentinel]

At the end of the day run whatever you want, but you will see improvement if you run CnS.

[slender finch]

doubt

🙂

[sick sentinel]

With TD6 at that dungeon level you should be doing that dps and then some

[loud shoal]

are you talking about sphere major or minor

[slender finch]

minor

[loud shoal]

if you're talking pure dmg then yea spehre might be better, but if you add in the defensive value of conflict on top of the dmg then

[slender finch]

yeah as said

im just playing full dps

as the survivability is not needed

[sick sentinel]

Even pure damage I feel as though it is inting but hey continue to do your thing I won’t stop you.

[slender finch]

and dont really have the intent to push much score with 3rd alt

[broken cedar]

do you guys gem haste and enchant haste too?

[pastel sleet]

Until super high keys.

[sweet summit]

yes we do

force multi for weapon enchant

[broken cedar]

not quick nav?

[sweet summit]

no

[broken cedar]

ok ty

[mortal brook]

with a haste build force multi should be mostly haste buff anywho

[amber siren]

it'll probably be when it procs the first time

[broken cedar]

do you think its worth dropping 10ilvl on a ring to gain 460 haste?

[sweet summit]

hell yeah

[amber siren]

rings and trinkets have their own set of rules for itemization

[sick sentinel]

Haste gang

[sick sentinel]

junkyard 15 on time this time for sure boys

more lasts stands and shield walls

[marble cipher]

More zap and TD you mean 😜

[still pagoda]

^

and less retarded huntards who pull gunker trash into big mobs

[last mason]

can u bonus roll jaina mount

[strong forum]

na

atleast i havent heard of it

[sharp night]

you can't bonus roll any dungeon/raid mounts because they're already considered a bonus roll and not regular loot table

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you can get regular loot and the mount, for example.

Since it's separate

[tiny fern]

430 vita or 460 torment

[amber siren]

probably vita

[upper violet]

[muted spoke]

echoing voids over expedient/versatile for pure damage at low keys? already wearing TD, can choose expedient 3 or a EV 25 cr

[verbal elm]

Is gushing wounds good to stack as prot?

[upper violet]

gushing is bad

@muted spoke IT is a nice filler after youre wearing td

[verbal elm]

Really? I seen on a forum it’s pretty good paired with at least rank 2 TD

[sweet summit]

gush is good on ST

Tdev is better when there is more than 1 target

[sick sentinel]

it didnt work

scrap grenade and shockwave too op

[still pagoda]

Didn't fail once on Xanesh rn

[upper violet]

big

[still pagoda]

despite it being my first time killing her on mythic

[upper violet]

[sick sentinel]

Did you stand there and get hit properly

Quit spreading that tanking is easy people will be onto us

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

I am not joking vex is easier than wrathion

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

Second easiest boss in raid

Or third

[warm plinth]

Idr who said it but I feel like a shit warrior ever since someone last night said 25k ST was low without TD and then I beat a dummy for 10 mins and was at 26k

And that's with TD3 😂

[sick sentinel]

i want this week affixes to vanish forever

[strong forum]

its true

[still pagoda]

i want this week affixes to vanish forever
[2]

total cancer

[sick sentinel]

whoever decided to put them all together was an asshole

[still pagoda]

though i've learned few more snaps

to not be bothered with bolstering in SotS

"Just don't panic in P3"

aight, time to look at DPS dying from decimator

whoever decided to put them all together was an asshole
@sick sentinel

You skipped the nightmare that this affix combo was back in Legion

especially in both Kara's and EoA

right now it's pretty doable

[sick sentinel]

i heard good things about legion but i skipped the whole damn thing and wod

very end of mists as well

[steep bone]

is maut trinket any good? ive used edict from EP lul

[sick sentinel]

#bringbackmop

Maut is not great

Cd is too long

It’s a worse version of psychic shell

[sweet summit]

maut bad

its like KR trinket

but a little bit better vs magic damage

[sick sentinel]

So i take it you don’t wrap yourself in the bandages

[sweet summit]

im not into that kinda stuff :/

[sick sentinel]

Shame

[still pagoda]

#bringbackmop

This is my friend, Shattering Throw

and we're here to kill paladins

[sick sentinel]

Fuck your bubble

[warm plinth]

I'm looking forward to Friday

I'm ready to scuff the shit out of a key

[sick sentinel]

You love to hear that

[upper violet]

its july and ppl are still idiots on nzoth

[sick sentinel]

It’s not July

[upper violet]

june

[sweet summit]

its march

[sick sentinel]

The people have until July to be idiots, then no more

[steep bone]

its my bday month!

[sand turret]

Question about MDT planning. Twice today I've planned out a 100% trash count route with one ob during last boss, but then the run ends at 99%. Am I missing out on some percent by killing an awakened mob with last boss and not getting their small adds?

[still pagoda]

you've probably skipped one mob

it usually goes smooth for me

[stiff oracle]

Prolly missed a yellow or smth

[sick sentinel]

Ya hate to miss the neutral mobs

But it do be like that sometimes

[warm plinth]

What dungeon was it?

[junior ivy]

Hi

[sweet summit]

hello 👋

[warm plinth]

The obelisk adds don't give %, just the lieutenant. There's no change in forces regardless of how you do them

[exotic spoke]

Hi catfriend

[warm plinth]

Hi cat, how's the little one

[undone sun]

Hello

[junior ivy]

Hes good :D

How are you guys

[warm plinth]

Good, he's a lil cutie

[exotic spoke]

Awww and congrats!

[sweet summit]

aww

[still pagoda]

for fuck sake, it's really easier @sick sentinel

[junior ivy]

I'm gettin a new puppy in 2 weeks too lol

[undone sun]

about to have your hands full of responsibility

[still pagoda]

o

i'm now technically 8/12

[upper violet]

huge

[exotic spoke]

Grats

Fuck that fight though lol

As a prot warrior*

[warm plinth]

I mean, are you though? Looks like you died before her so she's actually 14/20

[exotic spoke]

Shush ghash

[left hatch]

he not wrong tho

[still pagoda]

I mean, are you though? Looks like you died before her so she's actually 14/20
@warm plinth

I died on 1%

[warm plinth]

😂

[still pagoda]

Fuck that fight though lol
@exotic spoke

It's fine

i was just asking for externals now and then

to get go through despair]

literally only one

[exotic spoke]

I don’t like my survivability being almost entirely in the hands of other people

[still pagoda]

cocoon on 3rd and 6th casts of despair

otherwise i was doing it under my own CD's

[exotic spoke]

The dispels primarily

[left hatch]

tbf cocoon is like 90% a healer mechanic anyway

to make sure you get topped off before you explode

[still pagoda]

exactly

we basically did it like that

[left hatch]

and yeh.... add tank's survivability is like 100% on healers dispelling lol

[still pagoda]

hehe

Raden prog on Sunday

since we're left with Shad and Hivemind to clear out

[left hatch]

Ra-den is a lot easier than vex imho

[still pagoda]

and gonna skip Drest

[left hatch]

fuck drest

such a clusterfuck of a fight

even heroic is just an unenjoyable mess

[exotic spoke]

Drest isn’t bad. Start in the back and go clockwise

[left hatch]

its not hard

its just

[exotic spoke]

It’s annoyinng though - I’ll agree

[left hatch]

not enjoyable

[inland silo]

Heroic drest is bad because adds explode and you’re afk half the fight

I like mythic tho

[upper violet]

Just take 29 firemages looool

[still pagoda]

he will AFK even more

[chilly brook]

Actually true though Drest is just omegalul

[lusty grotto]

@oblique garnet i summon you!

stupid late didnt see my tags

[oblique garnet]

Im in raid

[lusty grotto]

check my tags when you can please

[oblique garnet]

I dont have that wa collection anymore

[lusty grotto]

what are you using now

[oblique garnet]

just some random package from wago

cant remember which

[lusty grotto]

give me url

pls

[warm plinth]

You didn't even respond to me Nim

So don't bully Late about not responding to tags 😠

[lusty grotto]

about what

i dont respond to people that have random excuses not to do keys

[warm plinth]

I have a WA thing for dungeon timers, and a WA thing for affixes

I can give them to you if you need them

[lusty grotto]

i responded to that

i dont need timers

[icy garnet]

my 3k io friend sai tht verzatility is beter than Td but it dos zero dmg in key and twilite does million, how can any1 help me tell him dat he is wrong?

[ionic fern]

....

[strong forum]

vers is only better when you struggle to survive, you dont pick it for dmg.

[swift moon]

vers is better for pushing higher keys for survival

[ionic fern]

Literally tell him to read the first pinned message here.

[swift moon]

TD is awesome for lower keys for speed

[icy garnet]

he tel me that i shud change my twilite corrup into verza

[strong forum]

not unless youre doing 23+++

below that its inting

[icy garnet]

zee yes i wan to keep my twilite on my key (15/16 key strength) becos i need the tmd

dmg*

[ionic fern]

Then do.

There's 0 point going for Versatility stacking .

At such key levels.

[icy garnet]

i thort so

thankx frends

[grim hornet]

any tips for solo 5 mask horric runs?

[upper violet]

CoF major is good for bosses

Proc twilight a lot

[sweet summit]

yea CoF major and cyclo blast mecha trinket

[upper violet]

Win

[sweet summit]

and fang for trash pulls

shit melts

[sick sentinel]

Fang emote WHEN

[upper violet]

Never

[wet fable]

Bolstering on low keys 👍

[sick sentinel]

I feel like that was just blatantly throwing

[wet fable]

yeah, warlock pulled a ton of extra stuff

[upper violet]

Man fuck warlocks

[sick sentinel]

Did you get toxic

I would have gotten toxic

[wet fable]

nah 😛

[upper violet]

Lil idiots with no kicks

Same

I get toxic quick tbh

Malding

[still pagoda]

@wet fable Welcome to the lower key hell

[wet fable]

just wanted to get the weekly quest done fast

bolstered Harlan too

took ages

[still pagoda]

Raden prog this Sunday

now confirmed

fuck, gotta turn back to the boss

[steep bone]

does it worth going gushing wounds as prot if im not doing vers req dungs?

[lusty grotto]

no

gushing wounds is better for ST

youre not gonna do a lot of ST in m+

[steep bone]

truu

its so cheap tho omg

[lusty grotto]

shrug you could buy it, its extra damage

[steep bone]

so this week is pretty potato

[lusty grotto]

but its not a priority

[steep bone]

i mean ive free 14k echoes

but i also have dunno if purify

and go gushing instead

[lusty grotto]

would probably not be worth

[upper violet]

How much corruption is gushing 15?

[steep bone]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

you should just buy it just in case

if youre not holding for anything else

[upper violet]

Id rather fill with IT

[lusty grotto]

IT TD dream team

[steep bone]

well 😄

[upper violet]

Also ppl r saying IT next week

So not a huge wait

[steep bone]

gonna save up for it then

[buoyant moat]

IT the play for warriors? I'm very new to prot war tanking this expansion. Well, since uh, Mists.

I was thinking haste and versatility sounded good but I have no idea what I'm doing.

[lusty grotto]

IT TD until 20s

versatile corruption and versatility after 20 something keys

[steep bone]

23-25 nomeratur was saying as i remember

[still pagoda]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/Memphetide

@buoyant moat IT1 is a really good filler

not mandatory, but great if you can pick up one without dropping TD and going 60+

[buoyant moat]

So expedient isn't something to go for?

I'm obviously prioritizing getting essences first, but not sure where to spend afterwards.

[still pagoda]

TD is the way to go

[buoyant moat]

Hmmm, no way to set a nickname here?

[still pagoda]

TD5 is optimal

Everything else is secondary

[buoyant moat]

I'm planning to go 20+ before long on the character (gear/corruption permitting)