or next week and get IT1
#protection
left hatch
bronze patrol
If the fusion hacker (melee weapon from junkyard with no stats) just terrible for prot?
primal dune
Have they figured out the corruption rotation?
left hatch
as long as it repeats and isn't random yeh
bronze patrol
hmm okay, thanks
left hatch
friday is the last set before cycle resets
primal dune
If I hold my camera in place while strafing left, would TD aim towards the camera or left?
left hatch
its based on the direction your character is facing
so if you're facing your camera straight
and running left, itll go left
elfin nexus
Do you guys think ineffable x2 worth if i run VOP major mostly ?
elfin nexus
Yea I mean IT 1 x2
left hatch
yeh its a nice filler
elfin nexus
I feel like avatar is up so much already
left hatch
its not for avatar only tho
warm plinth
It affects literally every class ability
left hatch
pummel, shielblock, last stand, shield wall, spell reflect, demo shout
shockwave, stormbolt etc etc
elfin nexus
Fair yea. Deciding between another Vers or IT
left hatch
what key level are you doing
elfin nexus
19-21
left hatch
its not a full rng proc like TD is so it should be pretty constitent
and at that level haste and crit are better defensive stats than vers anyway
elfin nexus
I have a Crit set for lolz and I tried it. I feel way squishier
left hatch
crit set isn't a thing
and with proper play point for point haste and crit reduce more damage overall than versa does
takes 81 versa to get .5% dr
elfin nexus
Also easier to heal though
left hatch
what
elfin nexus
No I mean for vers
elfin nexus
Doesn’t it affect ignore pain
left hatch
ignore pain isn't a huge factor factor in our damage reduction
most of it is flat mitigation from SB
and haste also impacts IP
as well as making cd's coming up faster via anger management
thats why its a better defensive stat than vers
provided proper play
until you get to the point where you literally need the vers to survive being 1-shot with perfect play things like an expedient and gemming haste is better
and that shouldn't happen till 25ish keys
elfin nexus
Thx for explanation!
left hatch
that being said verse build isn't awful
and its a game so you can do w/e you wish
its just not optimal
and as for crit vs. versa on pieces, the defensive benefit is minimal
so you're by no means inting by going for Haste/Vers pieces over Haste/Crit
left hatch
but imo
id drop most of your versa amps for rn
grab some TD / expedient and 2 IT's
and learn whats scary now and learn how to play around it
proper interrupts, using Lucid Major etc
cause when you get to 24/25 versa amps won't save you from misplays ):
elfin nexus
Yea I’m running 2x IT1 1 TD3 and 1 vers 2 and 1 vers 3
left hatch
id drop both at least 1 of the vers for another TD1 or an expedient
TD1 should be on the store this weekend
and it won't drastically impact how beefy you are
elfin nexus
Would u run a 460 vita or 475 humming
left hatch
why not both? haha
elfin nexus
I like my Nzoth trinket for OH shit moments lol
left hatch
eh
not big into running things for 'oh shit'
the more proactive you can be the better
so if you're making mondo pulls around LSP thats good
elfin nexus
If I wasn’t pugging I’d def run those
left hatch
if its an oh shit button your'e better off with double haste
probably vita tho
bigger stat budget and a share the love effect on it
at the very least actively play around the cd
if its up and nothing scary is within a minute make a spicier pull (;
lotta ppl end up sitting on it for huge stretches of the dungeon and make it a waste ):
novel ruin
What changes during a pull regarding having Lucid Major versus not? Do a big pull with Avatar up, once Avatar is down, pop Lucid and spam SB /IP to lower Avatar CD to get a 2nd one in said pull? Any pulls in dungeons come to mind?
elfin nexus
Yea I time it with my mage usually for big pulls
left hatch
and spam IP nonstop so you have ava back up as the first one fades
with good luck on 2 IT 1's you can have 3 back to back avatars
and massive uptime on Demo shout
and between the IP spam and the leech you'll be next to unkillable
if you want examples of what pulls to make for it, you can watch a streamer and see how they pull, but its largely a feelycraft thing based on what you and your healer is comfy with
and how good your dps is
novel ruin
Ahh, so pop both at the start of the encounter, makes sense
left hatch
yeh you want it rolling during the first ava
so the giga rage gen is resetting avatar before you need to reapply it
novel ruin
What about stat prior? Ive been going haste/vers on mostly everything
left hatch
what key level?
novel ruin
22s
left hatch
crit is slightly better than vers
defensively
but its not a big deal
and ilvl trumps all
novel ruin
Still gem / enchant for haste though until about 25s?
novel ruin
I sit around 55% haste in full group
novel ruin
Need to buy some IF rank 1s next time they come up
left hatch
should be up on reset
novel ruin
Been using expedient 1, TD3, Surging 2, Vert amp 3 so far
left hatch
id drop either the surging or vers amp
depending on whats giving you more (you can math out the actual value of the amp)
novel ruin
Fury main so geared and learned that first over the past 6 months
left hatch
for either more TD or the 2IT's
novel ruin
yeah, i can run TD 5, just thought the vers is better but from everything ive read in the last few days, that doesnt matter until 25s and above. So still a ways to go until im tanking those
left hatch
yeh until you literally need the versa to live its not the optimal play
its not horrible either
but imho its better to learn how to deal with shit without the cushion of the extra versa now
novel ruin
Agreed
left hatch
cause come 26 you'll need perfect play AND the vers
novel ruin
How is gushing wound?
left hatch
eh
novel ruin
interesting
left hatch
and im not even 100% if its better than TD in every case
its just slightly better for me rn
if you wanna run it id sim to see the gain
before investing
your versa amp might be giving more in aoe than it would lol
novel ruin
yeah, ill run some sims. Should you be simming for damage as a tank?
left hatch
i do for raids
and since im not pushing super high content and can survive comfortable
novel ruin
i play fury for farm, only tank in M+
left hatch
if you can survive comfortably
or want a set for lower keys
you can
but don't use Dungeon Slice
Patchwerk 1t 3m w/lust
Patchwerk 3t 1.5m no lust
Patchwerk 5t 1.5m no lust
(can change the #'s to better suit your average cleave/aoe pull sizes)
unborn ore
i read somewhere for m+ you should doe force multiplier? (talking 15-18s here)
left hatch
correct
it can double proc stats
outside of Ava itll proc for haste, in ava it reprocs and gives you mastery as well
novel ruin
What keys do you tend to play?
left hatch
on my war havn't done much more than 22's
unborn ore
oh damn nice
novel ruin
thats still pretty good
unborn ore
15-16 so far
tiny fern
@left hatch so all sockets should be gemmed with haste, no str?
left hatch
i do'nt use a str gem anymore
it might be slightly better offensively
you can sim for dat
chilly brook
From our skyhold no leaver bois
@sick sentinel @warm plinth @tame garden @sweet summit
quartz prism
is the mechagon shield any good?
chilly brook
no
tame garden
pog
quartz prism
what about with r2 ineffable
mortal brook
r2 is far less efficient than r1
novel ruin
Why is crit better defensively than vers?
left hatch
the vast majority of damage you take in keys is physical, particularly from AA's
even in the most magic damage intensive keys most magic damage is either trivial or avoidable until you get really hihg
and parry is VERY good physical mitigation
while vers scales up very slowly (81 per .5% dr)
sharp night
85^
left hatch
theres also a few mechanics that can be completely negated if its parried
the backhand from 3rd boss in KR
necrotic
etc
novel ruin
do you suggest going crit/haste rings then?
left hatch
if yo'ure not dropping a ton of ilvl yeh
but its also not a crazy gain over haste/vers
novel ruin
yeah, im pretty geared. Mythic Nzoth on farm
Just trying to learn the ins and outs of the spec
candid inlet
What ilevel do I need to be to do a 10 where I'm not being carried
reef hornet
you guys like rocking triple deafoning for m+?
tame garden
meta is 3 bastion 1 deafening 2 stat traits
lusty grotto
ayo @oblique garnet remember the WA collection you gave me in s2? Ive been using it but i need to update it somehow and its not letting me, do you have a newer working version?
or anyone?
i use one called Mythic+ General, but it has no spire announces or whatever and still has reaping shit on it
and lots of legacy aura trigger bs
lusty grotto
cant fucking update the ones under it
like reaping affix tracker is no longer relevant so w/e
the rest are pretty useful
inland timber
so icy-veins recommends haste gems and enchants, however most warriors gem and enchant versatilite now days? So which way to go for M+ ?
lusty grotto
what key level are you doing
inland timber
are they doing it for more damage mitigation and damage?
lusty grotto
after 20s then you can consider it, and if you have a shitton of versatile corruptions
for both
like if youre running a standard TD build, you still want haste
inland timber
so im trying to understand why haste all of a sudden loses after 20 plus keys ?
ands why would haste benefit more in below 20
lusty grotto
because at that point, damage becomes so big that versatility becomes better (and at that point you should have enough versatile corruptions on your gear so any added versatility becomes more important)
inland timber
i see i see
lusty grotto
because haste reduces cooldowns/gcd/etc, and makes TD proc more
so with TD you go haste
lusty grotto
but you will not be running TD after 20 something
so there you go 🙂
they still go haste
haste versa is what most of them are using on their pieces
because haste is still pretty good
inland timber
i see. I just though vers damage mitigation will be better than haste for pugs, jsut in case
inland timber
ok i will believe that, thanks alot for promp answers
lusty grotto
and like i said
you want a lot of versatile (the corruption)
because honestly gemming/enchanting versatility without it is kinda eh
left hatch
even in high keys haste is technically better mitigation
they just literally need the % reduction of versa to not get 1shot
or die to burst damage
left hatch
right
just adding to what you told him (:
versa is a 'safer' stat kinda because it benefits you even if you grossly misplay where haste requires having the rotation and CD usage down to get its full value
so it can be more forgiving of mistakes
at a certain point tho even versa wont save big fuck ups tho
so better to get in the habit of playing properly rather than relying on a full versa stack to save you from say.. dropping SB for extended periods of time
before you'll need both to survive
heh
i mean its not completely inting to do that
like you're not gonna suddenly become paper or not time keys
just not optimal
and yeh thats the thing about seeing what super high key runners are doing is understanding the situational context behind it
lotta ppl do'nt bother to put that part in
its even worse if you have a 5head GM that sees 1 ranking Video from some YTer pre tier
and suddenly needs to stack X class
sick sentinel
He told me few weeks back that 
best in slot for tanks from dungeons getting mad now that I won't take his advice
left hatch
because they sed it was besttt guyz
lul
i mean it was dope in pvp
2 seasons ago
and its not awful for some tanks like BrM that constantly need healing
so theres way less overhealing
ionic fern
What am i even reading.
left hatch
?
brittle owl
ah yes
the "vers is good for tank x" mouth breather
because streamer y does it
so you should do it too otherwise you're inting
in that 15 or heroic clear or whatever
that's totes the problem
ionic fern
Idk how tanks even managed to clear +15's before when they could not stack Versatility.
sick sentinel
It's just distressing that I'm "not allowed to talk to warrior discord" yet here are players with knowledge that can help me improve.
ionic fern
Literally impossible.
brittle owl
they could just look in awe at streamers completing those big keys
left hatch
sound like an abused housewife
brittle owl
all the while crying because they don't have enough vers to tank keys
you should prob tell your gm to dm mwahi tbh
left hatch
'can't be havin any ideas or thinkin for yerself. you talk to me before you order anything or decide what to do'
brittle owl
if he comes here he's gonna be memed on
sick sentinel
Well it's like how the fuck do you even argue against that?
ionic fern
Simple
brittle owl
i just call them a monkey
ionic fern
Maths.
brittle owl
maffs dun work
ionic fern
Confuse them with numbers.
brittle owl
you need to "show off"
ionic fern
👍
brittle owl
because maffs, like you said, confuse them
sick sentinel
brittle owl
and you know how a confused monkey behaves
that's right it throws shit at your face screaming
left hatch
i think the most prime example of stupidity iv ever seen was a paladin trying to tell me that cds like ardent defender and kings was activie mitigation and SOTR wasn't when he couldn't figure out why he was being obliterated by AM checks
and that what i said didn't matter
cause he could call his skills whatever the fuck he wanted
brittle owl
to be honest though
left hatch
and he didnt call SOTR active mitigation
brittle owl
most people playing paladin are monkeys
warm plinth
Wait your GM told you that you weren’t allowed to talk in Skyhold????
What kind of nazi ass guild are you in
left hatch
dude. everyone needs an immunity to do nzoth
3 months in
its not pawwssssible without that many immunities
left hatch
same with Maut
brittle owl
you're inting if you're 2 tanking vex on prog
brittle owl
obviously
left hatch
don't bother to fact check
brittle owl
worked for them works for us
left hatch
im an expert
in fact ill check your browsing history
if i even SUSPEC you researched
gkick
brittle owl
you doofus imagine thinking other strats than limit/method are valid
you dumb piece of ramen
idk why i said ramen
left hatch
cause his brain is mass produced, cheap, and most likely lacks tastes and substance cause its been microwaved
its a perfect analogy
sullen hinge
Hmmm interesting about the stats. So if I wanna reach mythic 15 from mythic 10. I need to get more haste? Or run More TD? My cloak only rank 12. So my corruption gear very limited.
sick sentinel
Started calling us f g t s after that.
ionic fern
It's enough of the memery now.
Regardless, your GM is overstepping his boundries and i'd just leave the guild. 🤷
left hatch
Getting from 10-15 is all about ilvl
and just practice
dw too much about specific corruptions or looking for haste, just grab the highest gear you can and get the rotation and routes down
TD and haste will help, but most of your tankiness (esp at that level) just comes from fixing misplays and mistakes
brittle owl
uhm, tbh if you can time a 10
you can time a 15
gear wise
easily
it's just experience
sick sentinel
I don't mean to sound like abused housewife some shit, just it really does but me how triggered he got
left hatch
if you want more specific help on whta to improve you could log your runs
and link em here for feedback
brittle owl
that would be the most productive course of action yes
i can continue memeing him @sick sentinel if you want idgaf
left hatch
some of the most common mistakes newer prot warriors make is thinking IP uptime matters and delay SB for it (its a rage dump in almost ever circumstance and you almost always prioritize SB over it)
sitting on Avatar or demo shout for extended periods of time
or scuffing your core rotation which scuffs your rage gen (ie mashing devastate when SS or TC are off cd)
hallow phoenix
turning your back too
left hatch
yeh that too haha
hallow phoenix
sooooo many other tanks dont get insta-gibbed from turning their back
left hatch
can't block/parry/dodge things behind you
hallow phoenix
even though they too should never let it happen
left hatch
and learning how to do the like... 80% turn / side shuffle if yo'ure chain pulling
is a game changer
cause theres a BIG radius that still counts as 'in front' of you despite it being nearly behind you
and if you learn to game that it makes movement a lot easier
brittle owl
hey
if you're a bdk tanking high key dazar
sometimes
you actually have to turn your back so you don't die
hallow phoenix
splain
left hatch
taking a hit from Rezan during bl;eed
brittle owl
dazar has a ramping buff during the combo
left hatch
for big value Deathstrike?
hallow phoenix
ah
hallow phoenix
you cant deathstrike up?
sick sentinel
brittle owl
straight up one shot
hallow phoenix
da heck
left hatch
i really hate deathstrike being tied to % damage taken tbh
left hatch
was a lot better when it was tied to AP
brittle owl
for ehp
hallow phoenix
forgot about bdk mastery
sick sentinel
If you can somehow work out the name don't go after him but that's real
brittle owl
blood mastery is stronger than people think
left hatch
its still not as strong as it was in wod/panda
brittle owl
it's actually their strongest defensive throughput secondary
hallow phoenix
yogi i'd just ignore that guy (your GM?)
brittle owl
vers is slightly weaker, but also gives ehp
hallow phoenix
anyone that says "if you wanna do 15s you have to listen to me ree probably shouldnt be listened to
brittle owl
so at high keys you're shoehorned into going vers>mastery as a bdk
hallow phoenix
do they not want crit for the same reasons we want crit?
brittle owl
they do
hallow phoenix
i always thought bdk was vers > crit
brittle owl
but they look for defensive gearing sooner than pwarr
hallow phoenix
never knew mastery was that stronk for them
brittle owl
general purpose yes
inland bolt
i came to this discord for bdk advice
brittle owl
vers>crit is fine
left hatch
they don't have a crazy source of mastery like we do from BoM
hallow phoenix
Its good to know how other tanks work 🙂
left hatch
so it doesn't get as devalued
merry cave
SOrry if this has been brought up 100 times today but is there any situation we would looking into grievous wounds as a dps increase or is it the age old stack as much TD as we can still
hallow phoenix
Gushing Wounds is good for single target only. There's one fight that is single target only
inland bolt
go TD, and youre forgiven
left hatch
if you fully stack it itll probably come out ahead of TD in ST only
but outside of some raid fights and workshop eh
brittle owl
very few scenarios where you want gushing over td
workshop is a good place for gushing stack ye
mortal brook
2 GW btw~
hallow phoenix
even workshop you'd want it. a TD proc on third boss' flower is a gamechanger
left hatch
yeh and theres still plenty of trash in WS
sullen hinge
Wow. I got more insight in 5 mins than goggle.
left hatch
esp the packs at the end
hallow phoenix
and most people do ob with last boss so that's already 2 targets
brittle owl
doing consistent 80-90k st dps would be even bigger in ws tbh
sullen hinge
I try to log my fights and ask for guidance. Thanks
left hatch
gl man, and don't be afraid to push higher than your comfort zone
mistakes might scuff a key but its a great learning experience
sick sentinel
Did someone say scuffed keys
brittle owl
@sick sentinel you could just like,ykno, do the petty thing and link him rio's from here to flex on his pea brain
left hatch
eh it wouldn't change anything
hallow phoenix
that GM has made up his mind
ionic fern
That GM seems weird. Why won't you just leave the guild? Doubt it'd be any good staying there.
brittle owl
since he is flexing retarded shit making 15's or 16's sound like they're not actually facerolls
left hatch
if hes convinced hes better than any player that ever goes into a class discord
hallow phoenix
theres no changing the opinion of someone like that
left hatch
hes never gonna be convinced otherwise
left hatch
the fully evovled version of an LFR hero
brittle owl
"pwarr hpala bm hunter fmage preffered" group
hallow phoenix
KSM is a big achievement for some people, but those people shouldnt go around telling others how to play the game
worth making the distinction
brittle owl
this is a really stretched analogy
left hatch
mmm i mean advice about their wheelhouse maybe
but being a diff role dictating how every other spec in the game should play
is 5head
brittle owl
but ksm is like getting a black belt in martial arts. it just means you have mastered the basics to some extent
sick sentinel
Only reason I stay is because known him 2 + years now
brittle owl
its not an affirmation of actual skill
jolly coral
Hello all, quickly question, Mace of Il'Gy (H) or Weap from Wrat (M)?
brittle owl
that's the point where the actual learning begins
hallow phoenix
Mythic
left hatch
The ilvl and cleanse it
hallow phoenix
weapon ilvl is most important
jolly coral
ths ^^
sick sentinel
I wanted the ring from junk 15 today got a second weapon instead
left hatch
this isn't to discredit you or make you feel bad yogi if you do have trouble in 15's like your gm said
theres just a HUGE learning curve after that point and like 99% of the playerbase drops off really quickly
left hatch
and relies a lot on other people and not just yourself
can't time a 16 if your dps keep dying lul
brittle owl
is that every resource available in game is either misleading or obtuse as fuck
so learning the basics takes abnormal amounts of time
left hatch
well that and readily available easy to consume guides like wowhead/icy are just starting points
and ppl take them as be all end all
brittle owl
yep
ionic fern
In-depth try-hard min-maxing guide when
hallow phoenix
Get on it mwahi
left hatch
and a lot of ppl just don't like to learn
when theres SO MUCH nuance
i have a TIL moment basically every week
brittle owl
yeah that's what people don't get
sick sentinel
Mostly it's just figuring out what actually kills me mechanically and then marking it to do a thing in dbm
brittle owl
esp the froth at the mouth "lmao rogues lmao dh's" type of people
brittle owl
"ofc i don't do damage my class is garbage"
hallow phoenix
Boomkins get a smol pass on aoe
brittle owl
no timmy...you just suck
ionic fern
Are you logging @sick sentinel ?
ionic fern
Mythic+
left hatch
you get GCD locked by energy and sometimes wanna sit for a full sized bite
sick sentinel
Mythic+
left hatch
but most other classes? ABC
and then you see ppl with 3s of downtime between skills
):
ionic fern
Tbh even raid logs would give us a glimpse into how you're playing so either work.
sick sentinel
No, I'm not yet, I could log something though
Been a year since I did it, easy though
ionic fern
If you wanna improve i suggest you log.
If you're not comfortable with reading logs and looking into mistakes from them then just post them here or #449510248579858432
hallow phoenix
Where is abe
sick sentinel
When I do I'll try to get it o a 1 map m+ dungeon make it easy for us.
hallow phoenix
With his wowanal stuff
left hatch
raid fights you can also feed into WowA
ionic fern
@sullen valve
left hatch
to point out big issues
sullen valve
What
hallow phoenix
Does wowanal work for prot war
sick sentinel
Even if it's a deplete or rage quit? Or even better In that case?
ionic fern
^
left hatch
mostly looking for rotational things, cd usage, and dealing with specific yikes mechanics
like are you interrupting/SRing regularly
brittle owl
things to look for in m+ logs: rotation, cd usage, pull strategy
all 3 are really important in the sense that either one of those could deplete a key
(if fucked up that is)
left hatch
is it a good tool for prot warriors tho
brittle owl
whoosh
sick sentinel
I'll keep doing junk whatever 10-15's until I get one that's successful and one that's not
sullen valve
wowA is a great tool for raiding or snapshots of m+
ionic fern
You can still see stuff like this from logs @sick sentinel
This is DEFINITELY not me btw.
sullen valve
It's me
sick sentinel
I'm familiar with junk now not my favorite but
left hatch
iv not moved out of them a few times on VDH
eh cheat death is up
ill jsut not move
(:
sick sentinel
I'll get you a log by end of wow week
left hatch
dw about grabbing a depleto vs a not depleto
ionic fern
wowA ~~ Abe is tool~~ for raiding or a greatsnapshots of m+ @sullen valve 
left hatch
just 1 or 2 that you think are accurate to how you usually play
ionic fern
Jep, literally any log as long as it's of a solid length.
ionic fern
I call dibs on the "You are pressing Devastate too much".
lusty grotto
is it leech time yet
ionic fern
👀
left hatch
im feeling a not pressing DS on cd
left hatch
or given the stupidity of his GM he mighta been fed a "IP UPTIME IS VERY IMPORTANT YOU NEED TO PRESS IT MORE" line
brittle owl
hey guys i saw naowh do 90k hps in high keys i think i need to work on my ip usage
i need more vers for that right? to tank?
left hatch
and sporepods
mortal brook
🗞️
undone sun
🤦♂️
ionic fern
I wonder if all this Vers stacking could bring back stuff like Urchin. 🤔
ionic fern
👀
left hatch
idk if it caught on in real keys but yeh
not being able to reliably put a socket on it i feel like its a big detriment to Urchin
ionic fern
I'm still not at the point where i can buy sockets.
left hatch
with enough amps thats a good almost 1-2% vers to lose out on
ionic fern
sick sentinel
Well I got td2 and almost 50% haste and run dps is between 25-39k dps, which I'm sure isn't great
50 with the talent at 5 stacks
left hatch
dw much about %'s of stat
as long as yo'ure not giving up ilvl you're doing fine
as far as corruptions go, for that key range more TD will make your life easier
left hatch
but if you're not comfy getting 2 IT 1's
is huge
defensively
and or an expedient
IT1 should be back next tues/wed
sick sentinel
I'm currently at 472
left hatch
your dps is very low then you def have something rotational you could improve on
ionic fern
25-39k is definitely too low.
left hatch
thats less than you should be pulling without any TD
ionic fern
Might just be you pulling small as well i guess.
sick sentinel
I think the SIM said 42k or something? I'd have to look again
ionic fern
Best idea.
Lets make "Teach me to play" Discord voice nights where we teach one person to play properly by letting him stream to us on Discord.
warm plinth
I volunteer as tribute
sick sentinel
I would totally volunteer if I wasn't naked in bed
ionic fern
I wouldn't mind checking stuff out like this.
Probably the easiest way to explain etc.
sick sentinel
I'm only 10 feet from pc yes but
ionic fern
Jeap.
Eh, might have some pull to it if there would be any people interested in learning this way & streaming.
left hatch
tbh its a fantastic idea for any level of player
sick sentinel
I think it's a good idea personally
sick sentinel
But, the volunteer will have to be able to handle criticism
ionic fern
Jep, i mean it's build on the point that the person actually WANTS to improve and knows that he's not playing perfectly.
left hatch
hopefully thats the expectation going in, and not a mindset of 'let me flex how flawless i am'
ionic fern
I volunteer. 
fringe dirge
hey, i was wondering if anyone can tell me what skittish actually does? does it make tank role generate 50% threat? or occasionally drop an amount?
or whatever it does
warm plinth
75% reduction
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or maybe that 1/8th was comparitive to the reduction we had in legion
tbh as long as yo'ure adequately geared its more of a dps mechanic
and on them not blowing their load the instant you enter combat
so you have a few globals to establish threat before they go ham
fringe dirge
got it
but when dps proc their tdev on their first swing, kinda sucks for them
just means i gotta go in first for a global or 2
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you can kinda help them out by opening up with Shockwave
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not feasable if you're in high enough keys that you can't afford Stun DR or need it for interrupts
but at least in the key levels i do up to its not an issue
and buys a free few seconds
fringe dirge
eh, im not tanking anything over 15, so im ok
sick sentinel
I think I'll set up stream for tomorrow possibly
sick sentinel
Try to get in a run
ionic fern
I hate TD as a DPS..still have nightmares when my TD procced on the first ability i cast on the pack and i just get insta gibbed as a DPS.
😦
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see, im a 4head DH and just open with Chaos Nova before i Eye Beam- blade dance - Meme beam
sick sentinel
It showcases my horrible hi but I out a video up just use td proc to pull out of cages of too dagor
sullen hinge
thanks
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if threat isn't established after that 4s i still got blade dance dodge, darkness and blur to save meh
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i really like enhance
brittle owl
elemental better 😠
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its on a short list of mains for next xpac
ionic fern
Nah.
BoTe->Sunder->Crash Lightning->DieANKH!!!!->Continue like everything is normal.
still pagoda
But you waste BotE if so
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better, but less fun for me
still pagoda
Since you're dead after first CL
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i dig the playstyle of maintaining your boofs with haromy traits
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and how spicy it feels to get back to back Stormshocks
brittle owl
😠
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or storm w/es
ionic fern
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last i played elemental was while leveling//early gearing pugs and EVERY TIME i threw done more than 1 earthquake tank moved
died a little inside each time
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emperor palpatine > simp wolf boi
@brittle owl
Necrolord covenant ability for shaman can turn enh into the emperor palpatin
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necrolord is gonna be busted for Arcane mage
it gives you a few seconds of free 'fillers'
so not that big for frost or fire
still pagoda
If they will actually change it to few possible abilities instead of lightning only
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but the 'filler' for arcane mage is Arcane Blast
like :l
back to back free arcane blasts for several seconds
whatttttr
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When we first looked through logs of our wipes on mythic Mechatorkue, i had 89% of my damage from Arcane Blast
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and do 10% more damage
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you will spam out arcane blast in the first 30 seconds anyway
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yeh thats even crazier if you pair it with the mana cost reduction
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so this is just a good bonus
smoky wave
@left hatch my wife plays ele, I absolutely know when I move stuff out of the earthquake 😅
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tbh playing ele and UDK made me WAY more conscious about moving out of shit as a tank
still pagoda
Blizzard. Please. Return MoP class design
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i go out of my way to keep stuff in their aoe now
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stop butchering classes
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after realizing how soul crushing it is to move outta it for them haha
brittle owl
i just had warlocks and frost mages yell at me constantly
still pagoda
Just give warriors Skull Banner
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^
marsh smelt
If I have Heroic Nzoth helm, is it worth making the eng one?
still pagoda
no
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mmm id say yiss
still pagoda
N'Zoth helm is one of the best
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no BoM but the other trait is still really good
sullen hinge
i just ran a raidbot. its shhows 39k dps
upper violet
Hlo
sullen hinge
with TD2
novel ruin
How is Wraith wep corruption?
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a worse higher cost td
ionic fern
Will be like 5% of your overall DPS in m+.
novel ruin
Oh true, 5% for 30 corruption vs 6% for 25
upper violet
Good to activate HoD trait if you dont have anything else i guess
ionic fern
6%?
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TD1 6% per 25 corruption
sullen hinge
whats hod?
ionic fern
Oh, in that sense.
Thought we talking about overall DPS.
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heart of darkness
upper violet
^
novel ruin
Heart of darkness
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TD despite being only 1% higher hp id wager comes out to a much higher % dps contribution
sullen hinge
ah. dun have that
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i also am too lazy to only run 1 TD in a key to confirm this tho
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RP as a BM and get all dem severe and expedients
brittle owl
crit amps not increasing parry
orchid frigate
gl on chest all!
bronze terrace
what do you guys trhink is the best looking race for alli Prot Warrior
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do you like looking cool or hawt
bronze terrace
cool
orchid frigate
female DI dorf
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Velf or with right xmog KT hooman
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KT hooman better for Brewmaster tho
upper violet
Dwarf
bronze terrace
sadly i have kt not unlocked only honored with them
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the classic draenei
brittle owl
yikes
upper violet
Dwarf looks good and nice racials
still pagoda
not lightforged
brittle owl
simping for a nazi
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hey man those orcs probably deserved it
they ate fel cookies in another timeline
def warrents genocide
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you know what also looks good? Small horns ala cat ears
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i pref DI dworf to classic
ionic fern
Both dworfs work.
orchid frigate
meh
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the tats and bear fire is 👌
brittle owl
di dorf strokes the edgy side of my personality
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my condolences friend
bronze terrace
it love to take kul tiran human but im affraid of the grind im only honored
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HOWEVER. shadowlands customization to consider
upper violet
Mwahi intellectual
still pagoda
so....
still pagoda
will the game fuck me over this time?
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tbh the grind isn't that bad
and i think they just reduced it (or are about to)(
to only needing revered
bronze terrace
when ?
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as of april
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you only need Tides of Vengeance Campaign and A nation united achievable
orchid frigate
depends if you have weap/shield
upper violet
Dont want to get a but also need a 475 shield
orchid frigate
aw
brittle owl
sadlt if you're behind now
hoary dune
Are the mechagon rings worth?
bronze terrace
it says excalted
brittle owl
chances are you'll be caught up in august lmao
upper violet
Yes
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reading comprehension not batting 100 tonight
orchid frigate
😮
oblique garnet
77
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so like 4 months before KT hooman becomes free ):
ionic fern
Why is that a "fuck"? That's solid.
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i thought it was live
orchid frigate
mhm
still pagoda
i already have 460 vita and 475 rezan
orchid frigate
ah
still pagoda
and also +18SotS
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i meannnnn
still pagoda
a good key to start week with
orchid frigate
hehe
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id put that in my pocket for those weeks 
still pagoda
My monk is cursed
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hey its not haste
upper violet
vial of whatever
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thats a net win
orchid frigate
one thing for sure, wont gamble helmet this week. 1/3 in with BoM
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albeit it my monk knowledge is from s2, but don't you still want a evenish stack of versa,crit and mast
so yeh thats a solid piece minus the corruption
orchid frigate
which is the best azzy vendor helm?
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Abyssal Malevolence
orchid frigate
looks lovely
still pagoda
at least i've got one decent azerite piece on my monk right now
still pagoda
SnC+ToN+CC
orchid frigate
only shoulders that have CH?
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Tankbuster and Kraken pauldrons are roughly equivilant
ppl just prefer CH cause its predicatble
orchid frigate
ah ok
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same with the CH chest vs Ashvane Warden
orchid frigate
actually gambled my way to ashvane warden
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orchid frigate
but then all my luck ran out and i had to start saving for specific
since i kept getting crap
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Karton do you still try to get a stack of Elusive Footwork?
or is that relegated to raid only trait now
and you get a second SnC instead
still pagoda
@left hatch dunno, but i'm running 2xElusive Footwork right now because i don't have other options
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mmmm like NO other option? even a generic?
cause more damage on BoS is like... zero value ):
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basically the dps equivilant of a Callous Reprisal
upper violet
im 50 residium away from gambling a 480
still pagoda
whats the generic
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Tidal Surge
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sim to double check but im pretty sure thats more ST dps than a second EF
and thats all the second EF gives you
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need to praise RNGesus for a Boiling brew
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yea
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uhhhhhhh
depends on how big your pulls are
i think the 5 stack of CnS is roughly equivilant to 4 targets in combat with aegis
but thats guesstimation
upper violet
depends on the dungeon ofc but like 4-7 targets usually
still pagoda
at least my BrM has only 8% haste now
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on fort week, even with bolster probs aegis
or say fuck it and run Sphere lucid and str
thats probably the best play tbh
still pagoda
need to praise RNGesus for a Boiling brew
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Now i need to praise RNGesus for Boiling Brew and Azerite Veins pieces
also
PvP chest
R3 CnS
before i forget
upper violet
pog
sick sentinel
hot trub
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ToN + lazer uldir trait was fun
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do you? i thought mastery was dodge chance per stack
still pagoda
here it is
do you? i thought mastery was dodge chance per stack
It is
but dunno, red is the normal state anyway
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yeh you don't purify ever in yellow lol
or even use wow's stagger bar because its actually useless
upper violet
1 more week for r3
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so correct me if im wrong but
stagger is based on agi
not ap
so mastery won't feed into it?
oh nope i just misread
still pagoda
stagger value is agi*1.4
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and am dumb
still pagoda
and it translates into %
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yeh i read your thingy as "mastery gives more stagger"
for some reason
TD also feels great as a monk
being able to soak every shot on the last boss
for free
still pagoda
just as for any tank
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mmm
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oh yeh
still pagoda
#EarlyMorning
upper violet
4 mythics
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and specifcially the final boss haha
still pagoda
but again
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literally deleting the worst mechanic
still pagoda
i've got 2 leech items from weekly chests in a row
latent wing
got avoidant :/
still pagoda
my monk is cursed
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but also RoP bumps things inside the terrain causing them to fall down all the floors and pull the entire instance
Blizzard giveth and blizzard taketh away
gaunt dawn
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yeh but that requires intelligence
and remembering that in the moment before you scuff your own key
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I love dave
still pagoda
R3 is the damage part
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yes
now i just need to buy out CnS on monk and maybe forget about PvP
though i still want elite set
upper violet
???
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the last leather elite set i liked for monk was the blue balls from legion
upper violet
it looks so bad
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which i think you can buy with tokens now
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the last leather elite set i liked for monk was the blue balls from legion
The plate one
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ahhh
still pagoda
leather this tier is garbage
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well look into blue balls monk set (:
still pagoda
and i'm using monk Legion PvP S7 set right now
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looks super nice with the blue lantern or blue spitfire staff
still pagoda
the azure balls one
still pagoda
still pagoda
all tints of it look great
but its a black and dark blue rest of it
Alli version
and i'm not alli since May 28
still pagoda
Black and Blue one is
still pagoda
you still have PvE tints
north patio
Hey guys. Need some advice 🙂 Stack Gemhide or Impassive Visage in your opinion?
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IV
limpid birch
IV
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Gemhide isn't nearly as valuable for us as it is for other tanks
north patio
cool thx 🙂