protection

[vocal skiff]

no

[modern brook]

thats an upgrade fam

grats

[vocal skiff]

I know, but they could have given me a proper shield

[modern brook]

look at it this way; you can stop missing by the skin of your teeth now

[sick sentinel]

leech boots

[left hatch]

mainhand is also buffs your Ignore Pain size too

so like.. its literally our most important slot besides shield

and shield is only better because of how important block stat is

[warm plinth]

The freedom of opening your chest in DPS spec. FeelsGoodMan

inb4 475 getti

[still pagoda]

@sick sentinel GZ

[warm plinth]

jk, 475 legs

[still pagoda]

just cleanse leech

and it will become BiS

[left hatch]

need to socket them suckers too

get to some visions

[upper violet]

uhhhhh

[still pagoda]

yea

socket is the most important part

[sick sentinel]

i litterally about to cleanse it

[modern brook]

GUSHING

[upper violet]

is versatile the worst rank or what

also wheres my IT

[modern brook]

probably 2?

[left hatch]

IT is gonna be awhile

2 weeks?

for r1 to be back

[upper violet]

oof

[still pagoda]

unlocked whole titan research tree and can farm for sockets now

definitely socketing shield first

Haste to the Haste God!

[left hatch]

im at the point where im resocketing bagged gear to xfer over corruptions onto better gear

feels gud

[chilly brook]

They nerf Gushing by 35% and it's still 4k echoes

@modern brook seems legit

[modern brook]

Gushing still a great option for healer dps tbh

[warm plinth]

Any worthwhile corruptions on the vendor? Guess TD1 is probably there?

[mortal brook]

friday

[toxic gyro]

Moar td

[warm plinth]

Ah, forgot we still have 1 more

[warm plinth]

Gross

[sick sentinel]

so gushing isnt worth the echoes?

[strong crescent]

Crit+Vers & TD 1 or Haste+Mast & vers*12%

[bitter arch]

Whats the optimal corruption setup for m+ ? (without getting tfb)

[strong crescent]

most say TD

[chilly brook]

I wonder if Gushing would be worth for a vengeance DH

[bitter arch]

I have td +3 and +2, but in leaderboards i only see them wearing versatile

[strong crescent]

what level keys you wearing

the top guys are playing a different style than those of us at +20 and below

keys you playing*

[bitter arch]

i play 18 -19 atm

trying to go 20

[strong crescent]

haste and TD are still king at that level

not getting 1 shot at 18-20

[proven breach]

Doing 17ish keys im running expedient 8 td 3

Might switch some exp to versatile

[modern brook]

theres like no need at 17s for versatility

have ur 3 iq dps use their interupts and ur fine

[proven breach]

As I move up that is

[warm plinth]

How much vers do you even have right now

[left hatch]

IT1 is a great pick even below 20

[bitter arch]

16,4%

[warm plinth]

The 480

[sweet summit]

fury chest fury chest fury chest

take BBI over CR @marsh smelt

[warm plinth]

What's the generic on the other

Yeah ^

[sweet summit]

BBI is very strong

big crit

[marsh smelt]

Ah, my bad, I'll swap to that

[warm plinth]

I was asking Ozoidi how much vers he had, sorry

[proven breach]

Its high looking at it most of my stuff is hadte verse its 16%

[strange tide]

Anyone know how much IT1 was when on vendor?

[proven breach]

I should be good

[warm plinth]

3300

[proven breach]

didn't realize it was that high

[strange tide]

Noice, gonna spend all my echoes on vessels for sockets for a bit then

[upper violet]

man im tilted

ususally i dont flame but 3 ppl getting hit by blind shit in ToS 2nd boss

smh

[still pagoda]

last time i was hit by it

was in 8.0

on first week of BfA

[upper violet]

yeah

idk its like

3 casts in a row 2 dps and a healer getting blinded

no point in continuing the dungeon

[proven breach]

Ouch

[still pagoda]

Galvazzt feels

[strange tide]

I just picture them spinning their chair around when the big turn away now warning pops up

[next yacht]

I got the 2 mecha rings, 3 abil & haste proc, one is 465 and one 475.. I just got a really nice haste/crit ring 475 from the chest, do I replace the 465 ring or is the proc better?

sim?

[warm plinth]

The haste proc is worth about 15 ilevels altogether, so the mecha set should be better

[frosty scarab]

With gushing coming up, (eu player here) i have been thinking about a gushing wounds prot build. Call me crazy, but it just crossed my mind. Are there any sims people know of or tried this?

[still pagoda]

NO

hard NO

TD is way better

GW can be bought for pvp though

also

[frosty scarab]

Like i said, it was an idea i got. And indeed getting some gushing for pvp

[still pagoda]

EU ally i dead

deal with it

[frosty scarab]

Haha, my discord image is ally still😂

Been playing horde for ages

[still pagoda]

i've moved over from Gordunni-EU to Kazzak on May 28th and faction swapped

bet $45 i've ever spent on wow

[frosty scarab]

Haha, can imagine. Thanks for the feedback on GW. Like i said, was merely an thought that crossed my mind

[pliant bane]

Do NA have the new shop now?

[still pagoda]

yes

[pliant bane]

Can you post a pic if possible my friend?

[still pagoda]

Echoing Void I 6250
Versatile I 3000
Honed Mind II 5000
Infinite Stars II 10000
Deadly Momentum III 7875
Void Ritual III 13200
Gushing Wound 4125

[pliant bane]

Wait

No td1?

[still pagoda]

it was 50/50 anyway

[pliant bane]

When is td1 then

[modern brook]

just scroll up

[pliant bane]

Saturday?

[modern brook]

re: post a pic

[pliant bane]

Fak

[strong forum]

GW has been nerfed by 35% keep that in mind

[upper violet]

gw bad

td good

[strong forum]

Its now 2-2.5k dps instead of 3-3.5k dps on 475

[upper violet]

getting declined to 15s

[inland bolt]

only guardian druids get invites...

[sick sentinel]

If i only have one BOM, is it worth risking re-rolling that piece at 465 to 480?

if i take this new helmet i will have NONE bom :S

[inland bolt]

as long as you have 1 Defeaning crash i think go for it

[strong forum]

Generally yes

[modern brook]

isnt there like

1 good helm on vendor

or am i thinking rogue again

[strong forum]

2

[sweet summit]

2 at least

[strong forum]

2 minimum

[inland bolt]

just use the heroic helm till you get something decent

[sweet summit]

sea brawler and abyssal

[modern brook]

honestly just be engineer

[sweet summit]

tru

[upper violet]

engi helm doesnt have BoM tho

or im wrong and theres like multiple versions

[sweet summit]

it does not

but its still a great helm

with DC

[strong forum]

It's the 4th best helm in the game

Only topped by nzoth, abyssal and sea brawler

And ilgy

[sweet summit]

you forgot one

yeh there

[upper violet]

well how long till i get it my engi is scuffed af

[strong forum]

I always forget ilgy

[upper violet]

its prob rly expensive right

[modern brook]

but i mean like

[strong forum]

Cuz it's such an irrelevant helmet

[sweet summit]

nah ilgy head owns

[modern brook]

Its better than wasting 2 weeks of progress on garbo off spec shit

just be engie until you get h nzoth or m ilgy

[strong forum]

^

[modern brook]

or enough residiumm to buy the helm u want

[sweet summit]

what will engi bring in SL?

[modern brook]

(obvs the dream is m nzoth but like if ur downing m nzoth u dont need me to tell you this)

[sick sentinel]

this is the azerite gear i got, all pretty junk

[modern brook]

doesnt matter what it'll bring in shadow lands

the only question is "will the zandalari/kt br still work"

[still pagoda]

@sweet summit lets say... Secondaries

AT LAST

[sick sentinel]

shoulders chest 480, helm 465, i'll lose BOM potentially if i re-roll helm

[sweet summit]

BoM+DC
IF+SS
BfI+BR

roll helm then

[still pagoda]

^

[modern brook]

I still say helm roll is a waste of resources

theres only like 6 weeks left at most

[sweet summit]

u have DC on the rest

[still pagoda]

helm roll is a waste

[chilly brook]

@strong forum how many GW are you tryin to get for your vengy boi?

[still pagoda]

cause you can get better helm from raid

[strong forum]

0

[sick sentinel]

cries in 1/12n

[sweet summit]

exactly

thats why he rolles head

[modern brook]

?? just join a rando ass h run

u have 480s ur fine

[strong forum]

I'm running td3+expedient3+2xlash on dh, I will never buy corruption on dh

Literally done with the game

[chilly brook]

Sounds nice

[strong forum]

Ye

[still pagoda]

I'm running TD4+Exp2 on my warr right now

feelsgood

[chilly brook]

I'm not running anything impressive on anything

[sick sentinel]

Helm of the Raptor King

MUST BE NICE TO HAVE LASH

rip no bom

[still pagoda]

^^

#givelashtostrength1H

[modern brook]

smh

[upper violet]

lash poop

i like my td better

[modern brook]

lash would only be half as effective on us

[upper violet]

[modern brook]

its op on DH cause they whore out haste and can have 2

[dark drift]

TD3 > Exp 3 for newbie tanks? im sitting at 435 rn, i know neither of those are ava from the vendor just trying to think if i should save all my echoes or start buying R3 essences

[modern brook]

the pins go into detail on corruption options

[dark drift]

yeah sorry, im just lazy =/

[modern brook]

the short of it is TD for damage; verse if u need survivability; and if u need survivability sub +25~ you dont actually need survivability you need to play better

[still pagoda]

^

[modern brook]

in the guy who was interviewed for it's opinion (one of the top eu warriors) expedient isnt needed

[dark drift]

lol, love that quote there

get good essentially

[still pagoda]

Exp is just a good filler

not needed

[sweet summit]

he is top world

[still pagoda]

i would trade one Exp2 for IT1

^^

actually

[upper violet]

IT good filler

[still pagoda]

Naowh is R1 now

[dark drift]

nerf taking a break huh

[modern brook]

I didnt remember who or their credentials lol

i just know that 90% of what i say is echo'd from pins

[still pagoda]

Nerf never was on the level of Naowh and Andy @dark drift

[dark drift]

ooo rip, idk i like nerfs attitude a little more but thats just an opinion on the internet so lol

[sick sentinel]

“the short of it is TD for damage; verse if u need survivability; and if u need survivability sub +25~ you dont actually need survivability you need to play better” hope you know this quote is saved

@modern brook

[gleaming rock]

Gushing any good in keys right now? I notice the wow head page still has it on there.

[dark drift]

the def needed to be saved

[sick sentinel]

In keys I wouldn’t use @gleaming rock

[orchid frigate]

Hmm i have a Corsair k55 keyboard and it feels to me as the keys are a bit small. Is it just in my imagination but are keyboard sold with different sizes on the keys (typical gaming keyboards that is)

[sick sentinel]

Fill with IT

[modern brook]

thanks hawgz; I'll put it my portfolio along with "you can reflect grong's grip" and the leech collage under "things I've provided to the prot warrior community

[gleaming rock]

Right now I have 1xR1 IT R3 TD and rank 1 IS

[sick sentinel]

Get rid of IS in m+

[upper violet]

[modern brook]

only reason to have IS in m+ is if u somehow need it tog et over 25 for HoD

[gleaming rock]

So IS is just boo boo

[sick sentinel]

In some situations it’s good

But most in general yes it is buns

[modern brook]

Or is some how your only option to get from like uhhh

0 to 39?

idk

def not worth holding onto

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I mean if you don’t have anything else sure

[modern brook]

yeah its a non-0 benefit

but its very rarely worth its downside

[sick sentinel]

But at this point in the expac corruption is so obtainable that I wouldn’t hold onto it

Anyone else juiced up for TD1 to hit the vendor

[modern brook]

yeah theres very little reason to be considering non-optimal corruption now a days unless it has 0 impact on your budget

[sick sentinel]

oh well, another 6 months and none of this gear will mean crap anyhow lol

6 months is a long time lmao

Prob more like 3-4

[still pagoda]

^

[modern brook]

I expect prepatch sometime in august/sept

[orchid frigate]

Nice

[modern brook]

covid delayed stuff for sure

[sick sentinel]

I’m guessing prepatch mid-late sept

[modern brook]

how much is unknown tho

[sick sentinel]

Oct release

[modern brook]

I wouldnt put it past that

oct is a good release time for games

[sick sentinel]

Too cold to play outside

Spend all day playing games

Kek

[modern brook]

It gives kids enough time to see ppl playing and talk to their family about buying it for christmas

[sick sentinel]

Kids don’t play wow

[modern brook]

even better

only boomers get games gifted anymore anyhow

[sick sentinel]

That’s true

[upper violet]

wdym dude

i played wow in the 9th grade

thats kind of a kid

[sick sentinel]

We all did

[modern brook]

I started wow in legion :^(

[sick sentinel]

Wut

[modern brook]

My mom always said "I'm not paying per month for a game that stupid you're stupid"

[sick sentinel]

Breh I started in vanilla I was like what 9

[placid oar]

Hi guys, for Tol Dagor Jes Howler. Is there a way to bait the maul from Bobby?

[modern brook]

and then in legion i was like

"oh wait i have my own income now"

and gave it a go

i hated it

unsubbed after about a week

then my friend was like "no ur playing not the game"

[sweet summit]

@placid oar no

[modern brook]

turns out world content sucks

@placid oar no; but u dont need to wait for the kick

just hammer it as soon as it goes out

[sweet summit]

i guess you can LoS it??

but thats about it

[modern brook]

can you?

[sweet summit]

im 90% sure you can

[sick sentinel]

I remember how bad I was and how world content was difficult until I started raiding in like wotlk

[modern brook]

My first character was my rogue in WoW and i died to the fairy dragons in the druid place

[placid oar]

Ah I see, thank you @sweet summit and @modern brook

[upper violet]

my first character on retail is my warrior

[sweet summit]

same

[upper violet]

but i made a cow paladin on some scuffed private server

[modern brook]

I didnt actually play war until bfa

[sick sentinel]

I wish my first char was a warrior

[modern brook]

he was like a third alt in legion

so i played hima bit at the end

and decided I'd main him in bfa

[sick sentinel]

but there is still a level 60 orc shaman roaming the fields of the barrens in search of zerva hooves

[modern brook]

and holy shit was it impossible to do anything in 8.0 casue everyone was like "war sucks chortle"

[upper violet]

tbh i hopped classes a lot

[modern brook]

but that was back when we did 80k in dungeons and DPS got mad at us

Oh man

any old heads here remember viable

[gleaming rock]

So

[upper violet]

any1 remember marok on mythic spellblade

[gleaming rock]

If I go with this gear setup should I get anything from the vendor today? I only tank 15-18 keys https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Whatsthreat

[modern brook]

lol take a 3rd honor talent fam

[gleaming rock]

And I only play it a couple times a week since its my alt

[left hatch]

you should cleanse glimpse of clarity

[gleaming rock]

WM has been off since forever didnt notice lol

[modern brook]

and at that key range you want to fill on TD and cap the budget with Ineffable

[sick sentinel]

so, if i have no more BOM do i have to equip the piece that does have it still?

No

[gleaming rock]

Ok so I will hold on to my echoes sitting around 11k right now

[modern brook]

i think td3 was last week

though tbh TD is relatively common from drops

[sick sentinel]

TD1 hopefully Friday

[modern brook]

since you dont actually care about the level

[gleaming rock]

What corruption levels are yall running for 15-18 key range

[upper violet]

you should socket ur gear

[modern brook]

39 and 59 break points are still good

[upper violet]

gems cost like 5g on my sever idk might be more for u

[modern brook]

OH i thought u meant like

grind mementos for sockets

im like the dude has 440 bracers and ur worried about his sockets

[mortal brook]

59 week \o/

[gleaming rock]

Yeah just got that belt last night

[sick sentinel]

What should i do guys, don't have any BOM anymore after got azerite

[strong forum]

Unluck

That's about it

[sick sentinel]

still have 465 one that has it

[strong forum]

I ran 0 bom on progress for several months cuz I didn't get any in EP

[modern brook]

u take ilvl still

[strong forum]

It do be like that

[modern brook]

1dc is the only thing you drop for

[sick sentinel]

okay, i wasn't sure if he was responding to someone else or not

[modern brook]

480 not bom is still better than 465 bom

the only thing u need to remember

[gleaming rock]

lecch r3 poop? I have a 475 shield with leech r3 on it

[modern brook]

is that you need to ip in avatar still

and even then

u dont really need to remember that

cause if u just play normally

it'll take care of itself

[sick sentinel]

computer crashed completely last night, had to emergency re-install windows/wow

[modern brook]

@gleaming rock if you ave nothing else and it doesnt break your budget go wild

i wouldnt run leech over basically anything else worth considering

so any stat proc / stat % / td / gw

[gleaming rock]

ok so a R3 severe or R3 strikethourgh would be good ten

[modern brook]

I'd probably still run it over IS but im very harsh on is

[gleaming rock]

Yeah I cleansed the IS off the 475 shield I had

I dont ever feel like I am gonna die would like to get bigger dps numbers though lol

[modern brook]

yeah td/gw are your friend there

mostly td

[lucid bison]

Without stacking vers amp, do you value vers over haste? Only have TD3 for corruption

[modern brook]

EV is low key usable if you dont have very good corruption options

@lucid bison ilvl >haste

only time you should care about verse values is on very high keys

[lucid bison]

What about same ilvl?

[modern brook]

assuming keys

[lucid bison]

I have the option for vers/haste boots or haste/vers boots

[modern brook]

Haste > crit=mast > verse

[lucid bison]

yeah M+ going into 20s

[modern brook]

though tbh the values are so close you'd get a lot of value out of just equping haste + your lowest

[still pagoda]

playing TSG on low cr right now

feelsgood to kill healers in 5 seconds

[rough marlin]

475 Anodized Deflectors any good?

[sweet summit]

decent at best

[rough marlin]

Thanks fam

[upper violet]

uhhhh yikes my key upgraded to shrine 16

[main shoal]

no deafening crash on azerite vendor shoulders, my god

literally all 480s i've gotten from the vendor doesnt have it

[chilly brook]

I mean if you already have DC on one piece you dont need it on another

[main shoal]

Thats the thing, none of my 480 pieces have it

i had to reforge a fury 465 one for it

[sweet summit]

if you have a 465 with it, use the 465

if not, just live with it

[sage granite]

Yo guys is the Modular Platinum Plating from mechagon workshop any good? Not sure whether to replace my Vita Changed Titanshard for it

[chilly brook]

No

[sweet summit]

worst

trinket

in

the

game

[pastel sleet]

Nooo

[chilly brook]

[sweet summit]

vita is the best

[sage granite]

haha thanks guys I thought it looked a bit shit

[chilly brook]

Just open chests in dps spec

[upper violet]

what about my 475 shield

[sweet summit]

buy the boe

ez

[chilly brook]

You'd get more use out of a 2h than a garbage tank trinket

[upper violet]

im not going to spend 400k on a boe

im broke i need to use gold for gametime

[gleaming rock]

Stacking deafening crash any good?

[sweet summit]

there are better options

[gleaming rock]

Right now I just have one figured that would be good

[strong forum]

1dc is must have

Past that, there's better options

[thorn rune]

is it worth using one 120 gem?

[strong forum]

Secondary stats tend to scale better than primary this late into the expac, it's not wrong to run a 120 no

But everybody just uses secondary stat gems nowadays

[modern brook]

IIRC mainstat (str /stamina) has a larger delta between item levels than secondaries

so in full 475; your mainstats are so high the extra 80-200 from using str gems are worth less than the 50 haste

[balmy narwhal]

Hey guys, do you think I should save my echoes for rank 3 versatile? I only have 1 rank 3 versatile and I am at the baseline of 27% versatility

[stoic forge]

depends on the content you are doing i guess

[balmy narwhal]

For M+

high keys like 21+

[sweet summit]

how do people have such high vers, best i can do is like 17% lol

[stoic forge]

TD is still better at 21

[modern brook]

honestly ros

its rings

[stoic forge]

well if every piece has versa you are easy over 25% unbuffed

[last mason]

would u guys rather have gushing wound on 475 haste mastery boots or exped 3 on 470 crit/vers

[modern brook]

like a 475 High verse loooow 2nd stat carried ur verse rating

[sweet summit]

i have tol dagor ring with verstile 3 and mythic nzoth ring

[modern brook]

oh nvm u just suck then :^)

[sweet summit]

[gleaming rock]

OK I think this looks better than earlier. looking at this should I enchant and gem haste? in game it was showing me at 49%haste though compared to my wow profile which is showing my stats lower. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Whatsthreat

[sweet summit]

hmmm i can do 23% but with 0 corruption 🤔

in game probably has into the fray stacks

[last mason]

would u guys rather have gushing wound on 475 haste mastery boots or exped 3 on 470 crit/vers

[sweet summit]

@gleaming rock yes, haste in rings and in sockets and force multi on your weapon

[gleaming rock]

OK that was going to be my next question about weapon enchant

[modern brook]

it shows it lower cause ur stnadind next to stuff in game w/ itf

[deft vortex]

So im really struggling with the Greivous affix as a prot warrior, more than any other affix. Should i be prioritizing ignore pain or still shield blocks?

[modern brook]

greivous affix is a healer affix

[sweet summit]

SB if youre taking blockable damage

[modern brook]

Ur not struggling as prot warrior

your healer is struggling as a healer

continue to do ur rotation as normal

[sweet summit]

use healthpots if you need it

[modern brook]

^

[sweet summit]

if that doesnt work yell at the healer :))

[deft vortex]

got it, trying to think of way i could potentially help a struggling healer if i run into one

[sweet summit]

if you're a dwarf you can reset grevious

[modern brook]

Victory rush 🤷‍♂️

[sweet summit]

from x stacks to 1

[modern brook]

thats not greivous tho :^)

[sweet summit]

uhhh

same thing

[modern brook]

oh really?

[sweet summit]

point still stands

[modern brook]

Didnt know that

I only played dwarf for the conclave fight in bod

But yeah you help your healer deal with grevious by not taking damage

high effective updtime on shieldblock + avoiding avoidable damage are key

[gleaming rock]

Does the dwarf racial work for grevious?

[upper violet]

damn srsly?

dwarf op

[sweet summit]

you go from X stacks to one

doesnt remove it

but resets it

[gleaming rock]

Got it.

[modern brook]

I think you technically remove it; then since ur below 90% a new one is instantly applied

The kind of minutia that will only effect like 1 thing ever maybe

[sweet summit]

yea thats what im trying to say

you remove it but you insta get it back if you're below 90%

[strong forum]

@last mason expedient

Or cleanse the GW

[last mason]

would you use the bare 475 over the expedient

is that why u say that

[strong forum]

If you don't break any thresholds the expedient will serve you better, however if you can fit another TD in or IT if you cleanse the GW, then those will be better

So yes, the expedient will be better. GW itself isn't really useful in m+ outside of ST

[last mason]

when was it1 last up

[strong forum]

Very first week

Iirc

[sweet summit]

yes

[last mason]

oh so next tuesday itll probs be back right

[strong forum]

So it could be up next week

[last mason]

td1 boe shield worth 750K?

i feel like id regret it 2 months from now when xpac over

[sweet summit]

up to you

[left hatch]

prepatch is also at least 4 months out

[warm plinth]

I wouldn't pay for corruption on a shield personally. Find one with garbage corruption or no corruption and buy that instead.

[left hatch]

^ and put your own corruption on it 😄

[modern brook]

dont spend gold on boe's imo

Like theres absolutely no content you need the immediate boost for that you cant just grind out by doing like 14-15s for a 465 shield

[left hatch]

could jsut save the gold for next tier

[modern brook]

^

[left hatch]

cause esp start of xpac is gonna be really pay to win

[modern brook]

unless for some reason you're rerolling this late in the game to push for cE

but idt anyones really doing that

[loud shoal]

shield block is pretty strong so if you aren't going to get mythic ilgy kill and want to tank a lot of keys and stuff it's prob work buying a 475, if you do just get the cheapest one f buying corruption since there's the vendor

[modern brook]

yeah dont get me wrong

a 475 shield is good

but just like get one 🤷‍♂️

why waste 500k+ gold for 10ilvl bonus at the tail end of the exp?

[loud shoal]

to each their own, if you have the gold and want it by all means. I personally wouldn't unless I was pushing keys 20+

[warm plinth]

I paid 400k for one because it was a 30 ilevel upgrade 🙂

[orchid frigate]

i actually looted it 😮

gonna do the new strat (for me) and do all minor vision quests at once instead

[sick sentinel]

I paid 800k for mine like week 3 because I’m lazy and impatient

[strong forum]

same here, 800k early on cuz cba waiting on rng chest on your most important item

[wanton elk]

what essence do i run major? vision of perfection or do i run conflict & strife?

[strong forum]

vop until 20/21 keys

[inland bolt]

tbh CNS is also pretty high quality of life

just for kiting packs in general

[still pagoda]

you can practice Lucid in 19's

[strong forum]

then lucid/cns, unless you feel in danger in lower keys

all comes down to personal skill when you need to play more defensively

[distant crystal]

formless void and steal BOTE

[wanton elk]

nah i'm starting to feel safe enough to where i can pull 3 packs at a time and be able to survive really well

depends on the pack obviously but most of the time i feel very safe

[strong forum]

then vop away

[still pagoda]

formless void and steal BOTE

[wanton elk]

lucid minor?

[strong forum]

lucid minor is perfectly viable

[wanton elk]

i currently have VoP major/CNS/SotW/Anima

[strong forum]

30% uptime on 380+ vers + rage + smol heal

[upper violet]

i feel like im playing pretty good like not perfect exactly but keeping up SB and rotating cds and still getting chonked

thoughts

[strong forum]

get rid of anima

ASAP

[warm plinth]

Anima minor is actual garbage

[wanton elk]

oh really?

[strong forum]

anima literally hurts you more than it benefits you

[wanton elk]

i thought extra max HP was good

so lucid minor instead?

[strong forum]

absolutely

[distant crystal]

if you're getting 1shot by something you can't mitigate, max hp is good

otherwise nah

[strong forum]

thing about anima is, if you drop below 35% you lose those 70k+ HP ontop of that

[still pagoda]

^

[wanton elk]

yeah fair enough

[still pagoda]

and it will result in instagib

[strong forum]

which can effectively kill you

[warm plinth]

Why would you lose HP from dropping below 35% if it only affects max HP 🤔

[strong forum]

ghash...

[warm plinth]

I'm aware of that

But Anima does not give you current HP

[distant crystal]

i mean, i would hope it acts like most max hp things where your current HP doesn't change when you lose it

[warm plinth]

And your max HP changing does not affect your current health unless your max HP is now lower than your previous current health

[distant crystal]

so your %hp goes up, your actual hp stays the same, and your max hp goes down

[wanton elk]

what about aegis of the deep?

[strong forum]

your actual %HP stays the same, but your effective HP is lower

[warm plinth]

I'm not saying anima is good, but I am 99% sure it does not actually cause you to lose HP unless it's different than any other max HP effect.

[wanton elk]

i feel like that should be pretty good

[distant crystal]

lower than what

[inland bolt]

got a question on trinkets

anyone know if 5 ilvls on urchin is better than 98 leech? 445+leech or 450 urchin

[distant crystal]

somebody who didn't pick anima? 😄

[warm plinth]

How is your effective HP lower 🤔

[wide cipher]

Question: is there an add-on or specific site people use that shows them optimal pulls in dungeons for mythic+ ?

Relatively new to tanking but wanted to see if there was anything that could help me.

[warm plinth]

The only thing it would impact is like...bursting damage, which would actually go down, not up.

[strong forum]

because you lose 70k+ HP + dropping low

[warm plinth]

You don't lose 70k HP

You lose 70k MAX HP

But you're already below max HP so it does absolutely nothing

[strong forum]

it works the same way Rallying cry and battlemaster trinket do

[distant crystal]

so your max HP is 1million for easy maths, your current hp is 350,001

you take 2 dmg

[strong forum]

if you drop below the threshold of the buff while it fades

you die

[distant crystal]

you now have 349,999/900K

or w/e

[warm plinth]

Right, what Waat said

Like idk how it would cause you to die

[strong forum]

the same way you die to battle master or rallying cry fading

[distant crystal]

you don't

O_o

[strong forum]

you do 🙂

[left hatch]

regardless of if it instagibs you

the health isn't as effective defensively as Verse from Lucid/CnS

[upper violet]

ok regardless of how it works the essence is bad

[distant crystal]

i mean it's not a good essence ya

[warm plinth]

No one was saying it was worth using.

[upper violet]

anima bad

[distant crystal]

i don't think anybody really uses it on any spec except like, island expeditions or smth

[left hatch]

just clearing it up for the guy that asked, casue his last message was "I feel like that should be pretty good"

unless hes talking about aegis

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/pWQdCWD.png thats how "increase health buffs" work

[upper violet]

i think i used it once in the autism 30 tank raid to increase my hp to increase td

[left hatch]

which if you play around it, yes its fantastic

But anytime you're not in combat with 6 or more targets

its worse than other choices

unless you're doing exceptionally high keys with the verse build

in which case Lucid, CnS, VoP and Aegis are the way to go

[marsh smelt]

I have a TD2, looking for some advice on which piece to put it on. Thanks!
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/Scarzan

[left hatch]

(even then you'll probably be using Str or formless instead for the resistance)

[marsh smelt]

For reference, I clear Heroic NY every week and I'm probably going to start doing 3/12 M this week with my guild.

[left hatch]

do you plan on doing keys above 20?

[marsh smelt]

Probably not

[left hatch]

probably your pants then

and drop Surging

or gloves

any other piece you're almost guaranteed to replace

[marsh smelt]

Speaking of gloves, I just got these out of my chest but wasn't sure if they were an upgrade.

[left hatch]

ignoring the crit thing which youd cleanse most likely

[warm plinth]

So yeah it keeps you at the same % of HP when the effect ends instead of the actual numerical value for your current HP, so you do effectively lose health. That's actually a really stupid way for that to work on an already lackluster minor lol.

[left hatch]

id probably sim it?

the defensive value difference is pretty damn close

[wanton elk]

how's aegis of the deep for a minor?

[strong forum]

pretty good

[left hatch]

scroll up, i talked about it

[strong forum]

in certain dungeons

[wanton elk]

oh i didn't notice morrison

sorry

[left hatch]

np

[strong forum]

id take the haste ones Yama, the crit gained from severe doesnt grant bonus parry

[upper violet]

yes but if he cleanses then puts td2?

[strong forum]

at 470 vs 475 id prefer better stats

[distant crystal]

wut? really?

[strong forum]

ye, TC big brain said so

[distant crystal]

it goes to your character sheet

that'd be some weird fuckery

damn

can confirm tho

that's some bullshit

[warm plinth]

Another thing that is a thing but doesn't make sense.

[strong forum]

rajesh coding

[warm plinth]

Also my baby war is 467 now 😊

Moving up in the world

Er

[distant crystal]

i finally got some td on my warrior

[warm plinth]

470 I meant

Had wrong trinket on XD

[distant crystal]

just in time for the vers wave

[warm plinth]

Trinket is my big hold back right now.

[strong forum]

big TF

[warm plinth]

ikr

[strong forum]

i really dont miss it

[still pagoda]

[warm plinth]

I don't miss it either tbh

But I also won't fucking miss corruption or azerite gambling when they're gone either

[tame garden]

i will miss td

[wide cipher]

Sorry, my question seemed to have been lost haha but any good add ons for tank pulls?

[warm plinth]

Though I'm sure the gambling will come back in some form

Tank pulls? Like dungeon routes?

[wide cipher]

Yeah, essentially

[left hatch]

MDT

(method dungeon tools)

[warm plinth]

Method Dungeon Tools is the only one really

[distant crystal]

i'll miss azerite gear

[warm plinth]

I don't mind azerite

[strong forum]

i wont miss a thing from BFA

[warm plinth]

I mind the fact that if I don't want to gamble it takes 10 fucking weeks

[wide cipher]

Does MDT already have pre-made routes for like Mythic 10s?

[strong forum]

nop

[warm plinth]

No but you can find pre-made routes on raider.io

[strong forum]

you can check out basic routes on raider.io

[warm plinth]

Under weekly routes

[distant crystal]

being able to pick and choose the traits > locked-in tier bonus

[loud shoal]

another thing that can be nice for tanking keys is getting an automarker weakaura

[strong forum]

"choose"

nice choice

[warm plinth]

Choice is really an illusion though for azerite

[left hatch]

I'm gonna miss uncapped aoe

[warm plinth]

Like yeah you can pick

But there's a right choice and a wrong choice

[strong forum]

the same 3 pieces for every patch, that you have to regamble

[distant crystal]

i mean i do pick and swap for different situations

[tame garden]

delete simcraft, bring choice back into wow

[distant crystal]

not so much for prot

[tame garden]

[warm plinth]

Having to swap for different situations would be worse though with uncapped reforge cost

I'm glad I don't have to

[strong forum]

reforging cap shouldve been 10k

[distant crystal]

well, the fix for the dumb reforge cost

[strong forum]

tops

[distant crystal]

is that there should be a "profile" on your azerite piece for each spec

[upper violet]

100 tops

[distant crystal]

when you swap specs the ones you picked for that spec go active

auto

[strong forum]

thats just talents with extra steps

[distant crystal]

and you can reforge if you want to change within the same spec

[inland silo]

"choose" from the same traits all expansion

[strong forum]

^

[distant crystal]

i mean tier works like that

[warm plinth]

Tier doesn't work like that. Tier is either yes this bonus is good for my spec so I'll get it, or no this is not good for my spec so I'll equip offset pieces instead.

[distant crystal]

when you change specs

the tier bonus changes

........

[warm plinth]

Oh, gotcha

I thought you meant being able to choose

[distant crystal]

no that's the upside on azerite

if they hadn't done the stupid AP grind sadism

and if reforge was only for actually changing something for your current spec

ppl wouldn't hate azerite so much

the reforge comes from the swing healer/dps tank/dps or god forbid druid multispeccer

[tame garden]

druids dont deserve happiness

[distant crystal]

i mean you're not wrong

[north verge]

Hello guys! The day has come. Are we going to tank with 9 GW?

m+

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/3E3C.gif

[loud shoal]

check no

hek

[limpid pawn]

so, thunderclap damage

does this scale from our main hand?

[north verge]

sure

[limpid pawn]

which attacks are based on our main hand exactly?

[wanton elk]

i'm thinking maybe a gushing wound is worth it?

[north verge]

im going to get 9 of it

https://raider.io/characters/eu/gordunni/Перскипдунни

[still pagoda]

oh

fellow Gordunni bro

just "accidentally" killed 5 mask Rexxar in 5 seconds

[warm plinth]

Every warrior damaging ability you press is based on your main hand @limpid pawn

Except spell reflection I guess

[limpid pawn]

so getting this was GIGA

[north verge]

gz 😉

Force multiplier?

[still pagoda]

always force multiplier

Усилитель for you

also

9GW is not good for prot warr

better of TDing

last chance to pick up TD3

[stark sage]

@warm plinth pretty sure weapon dps is factored into AP as well, meaning anything that scales with AP scales with mainhand, like ignore pain for instance

[wanton elk]

i definitely won't have enough for another TD

[warm plinth]

Yes, that's correct

[wanton elk]

and i've got a TD2 so i don't think TD3 is something i can really fit

[still pagoda]

TD5 is always a thing you can fit

[gleaming rock]

What do you guys/gals think 470 merektha's fang or 475 wheel of death trinket from mechagon?

[still pagoda]

because if you use it, 59 corruption won't even be a problem

[wanton elk]

welp, nonetheless i don't have the choes for it

[still pagoda]

and you can buy it

[wanton elk]

far from enough, severe 3 got me bankrupt

[still pagoda]

store it up until later on

[steep bone]

should i sim myself for best weap enchant or theres some list?

[wanton elk]

sure

won't buy then

[chilly brook]

@still pagoda well 9 GW would be giga for single target over TD

But that's about it

[still pagoda]

but for M+...

[chilly brook]

TD is certainly a better all around

[placid bay]

Hey all, I’ve got a JY 12 key I want to plan for, pretty new to tanking still. I watched a darkmech video on JY and he mentions how the flying bot changes weekly and that determines the order in which you do the bosses. Anyone got any idea or can explain a little bit more?

[still pagoda]

@chilly brook

I may actually drop in with GW4-5 on Raden prog

[brittle owl]

go for td for raden

[sick sentinel]

TD will be better

[chilly brook]

TD for raden for sure

Gotta kill adds

[sick sentinel]

Smoke the adds

[brittle owl]

proccing td on adds is big

not just pad

but useful dps as well

[sharp night]

the flying bot just starts in a different position each week, matching the path where it flies

[chilly brook]

Raden is literally an add fight for the first phase

[sick sentinel]

Faster adds die easier the fight is

[brittle owl]

outside of shadhar and xanesh there's absolutely no reason to not go full TD

[chilly brook]

Yep

Ehhhh

If you're 2 tanking vex and you're using the add to kill the adds

[limpid pawn]

wait what?

[chilly brook]

Then you pump single target

[limpid pawn]

maelkenar are you sure you meant TD?

[brittle owl]

using the add beam is kinda sketch tbh

but yeh

[sick sentinel]

Yes you should be stacking TD for virtually all raid fights

[brittle owl]

@limpid pawn hm?

[chilly brook]

Also tbh I'd go more single target on Illgynoth

As well as wrathion

[brittle owl]

disagree on ilgy

[chilly brook]

And maut

And skitra

[sweet summit]

ilgy is kill blood and let dps carry boss

[brittle owl]

maut sure

[sick sentinel]

Yeah we are blood bots on ilg

[brittle owl]

wrathion maybe

skitra

[chilly brook]

Theres plenty of fights in the raid for a more single target focus

[brittle owl]

lol

[limpid pawn]

stacking TD in general is not a horrible choice for raids

[brittle owl]

who cares about skitra

[limpid pawn]

it's like top 2-3 corruptions even for single target

[brittle owl]

that's what i was saying brollik

[sick sentinel]

Wrathion maybe until you proc Td on the spires and coom all over the meters

[limpid pawn]

oh my bad i read it wrong

[chilly brook]

Yea but that's largely irrelevant damage

[limpid pawn]

yeah always go full TD almost always

[brittle owl]

i mean

[chilly brook]

Just kill wrathion before you get the scale phase 4head

[brittle owl]

kinda pointless to talk about useful/pad on first 3 bosses tbh

[chilly brook]

It's useful if he dies before you even need aoe

[sick sentinel]

If you aren’t padding on all twelve bosses at this point I have one word for you

“Lul”

[brittle owl]

your parse is fucked in that case anyway

best case scenario

he goes in the scale phase with 1hp left

you td all the spires

then he dies instantly

[chilly brook]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not really looking at it from a pad for parse perspective

[daring light]

any tips on how i can keep aggro of mobs in M+ im doing 18s 19s, i know its skittish but i just struggled in a 19 shrine?

[chilly brook]

Just kill the boss fast

You shouldn't be struggling

You clap hard

[sick sentinel]

Tel your dps to wait a second to blow their load and if they don’t let them die

[chilly brook]

Must not be pressing buttons

[sick sentinel]

Other than that threat should not be an issue

[chilly brook]

Or you're running with a fire mage and a ret paladin

[daring light]

it does seem to be an issue for me and i dont know why

i have problems with DHs

[sick sentinel]

Do your dps our gear you

Ah

Dh will get you if they don’t use their brains

[still pagoda]

^

same goes for fire mages

[sick sentinel]

They have to let you get threat before blowing their kid

If they don’t it is their problem not yours

[still pagoda]

^

[sick sentinel]

Also @chilly brook let dps worry about killing the boss fast we are here to get hit and pad

[daring light]

i just feel like im playing catch up

[sick sentinel]

You probably are

But like I said it’s not your fault

[chilly brook]

I mean I do pad

[sick sentinel]

If your dh is a bum

[daring light]

the 2nd boss was a pain, everytime i got aggro of one boss i loose aggro of the next

[sweet summit]

let them die

let them die

[still pagoda]

let them die

[chilly brook]

That's why I run Twisted Appendage on my monk xD

[sick sentinel]

I literally run TD in every single boss

I don’t even consider changing

[chilly brook]

I got TD2 only on my monk

But again its monk

Sooooo

[sick sentinel]

Monk sucks

[chilly brook]

700k hp

[brittle owl]

doesnt matter

[still pagoda]

fire mages are morons

just let them die and roast afterwards

[brittle owl]

like, hp pool is completely irelevant if you proc even 1 extra td compared to a higher hp pool tank

[still pagoda]

be as toxic as you can

[chilly brook]

I dont think you can say its completely irrelevant when it's literally hp pool based damage

Dont get me wrong I use it in m+

[brittle owl]

the difference is less than 1 extra proc

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but he’s saying one proc makes up the difference

[still pagoda]

LS as a DPS cooldown

[brittle owl]

how many times you proc it is the differentiating factor

[chilly brook]

I understand that

[brittle owl]

this is also the reason why

[chilly brook]

But consistently I do more damage in raid with the Twisted Appendage 3

[brittle owl]

using anima minor and stam flasks is completely retarded 99.9% of the time

[sick sentinel]

100%

[chilly brook]

As opposed to running TD2 in the same slot

[still pagoda]

146%

[chilly brook]

Could be a lot of different things

[brittle owl]

0.1% is reserved for the third bdk "tank" that wasn't tanking anything first weeks of the tier

or vdh or whatever

i mean

both td and twisted are rng and low ppm at that

so completely unreliable

td is hasted doe so it's kinda the more "consistent" one, if that even makes sense

[sick sentinel]

Yuge TD procs

[chilly brook]

Twisted Appendage is also hasted per Google search

And on Xanesh the difference between my pulls or kills with Appendage and TD is huge

[sharp night]

spelldata has TA not hasted

[sick sentinel]

But is your best RNG pull with TA better than your best RNG pull with TD

[brittle owl]

no one knows if TA is hasted or not

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel yes

My best RNG pull with TA is almost 10k

By itself

[brittle owl]

das on the lower side doe

cotank's ta 5 was like

30k at it's peak degeneracy

[chilly brook]

This is TA3

One piece

On like a 465 belt

[sick sentinel]

I think my TD3 did like 20k dps alone on the god pull I had back in the day

It was bonkers

[chilly brook]

Apparently I just have bad TD procs on my monk

Dont have a pull with it above 5k

[sick sentinel]

Well yeah that class avoids Haste like the plague

[chilly brook]

Hence why I was saying TA was consistently better than my TD in raid on my monk

[sick sentinel]

Hate monk

[still pagoda]

@sick sentinel I'm gonna be a boss tank and a residentsleeper on Vex confirmed

time to get something to nap to while the meme beam is facing the adds

Well yeah that class avoids Haste like the plague

Except for HT

cause it's basically ~10% haste baseline

[chilly brook]

@still pagoda yes but we avoid haste actively outside of that talent

[still pagoda]

i know

want to drop nearly all haste i have on my BrM

[foggy ocean]

My fury has 2 480 Azerite gear, and my prot has 450 Az gear. For prot, is it better if I equip the 480s without the az traits or to keep the 450 pieces w/ the as traits?

[chilly brook]

Locked 1 second GCD

@foggy ocean ideally you want traits period....

Ideally you just yeet fury out the window and respec those

[still pagoda]

^

and play arms on top

[chilly brook]

Yeet

[still pagoda]

cause Legion Fury >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BfA Fury

@chilly brook Technically you YEET both DPS specs

[chilly brook]

Yeet

[still pagoda]

cause if you're tanking, this is a mental disorder that cannot be cured

[chilly brook]

But to answer your question

Ilvl is huge

[foggy ocean]

@chilly brook lol 😂

[still pagoda]

https://classic.wowhead.com/news=316386/classic-moonkin-madness-40-druids-attempt-molten-core?webhook

[chilly brook]

Traits are important but they won't be the difference between living and dying

[still pagoda]

^

except for 1xDC that worth around 15 ilvl

[foggy ocean]

Yeah I figured sense IL is better than secondary stats, wasn’t sure if the +30 IL outweighed the traits

[chilly brook]

Even without DC

You're not gonna die

[still pagoda]

^

it just makes your DPS better

[chilly brook]

But again just go respec

[still pagoda]

by adding 6 seconds to DemoShout duration

^^

just forget about DPS specs

you're the DPS spec with threat

and added responsibility

[foggy ocean]

👌🏼 thanks guys

[dire gull]

is leech good for us?

[chilly brook]

No

But yes

But mostly no

[still pagoda]

mostly no

[chilly brook]

Aka dont sacrifice ilvl

[still pagoda]

corruption is garbo

^^

[chilly brook]

But if you get a piece with leech on it that's an upgrade its cool

[sick sentinel]

whats the best thing we can do to combat DH aggro at start of pull?

[chilly brook]

But don't stack leech corruption

Just yeet that crap

[still pagoda]

whats the best thing we can do to combat DH aggro at start of pull?
@sick sentinel

Kill that DH

[thorny saddle]

lol

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

seems to be only DH, but they just rip aggro, die and then get mad

[still pagoda]

fire mages too

i just let those idiots die

die in vain

[thorny saddle]

thats on them i think

[chilly brook]

Ava->charge->clap->shout->clap

[thorny saddle]

clap shout clap does more threar than clap rev clap?

[chilly brook]

Shout means giga damage

So yes

Revenge shouldn't be cast unless it's free anyways

It's the equivalent of a devastate on each target

[thorny saddle]

ah

[chilly brook]

Clap hits much harder

And Booming Voice means you get a damage buff

[grand drum]

Ret pally also rips aggro from time to time

[sonic saddle]

I am guessing this is a recurring question today.. but is GW still decent enough to have atleast 1 in dungeons?

for prot i.e.,

[chilly brook]

If you have the corruption budget

But I mean

Why not use a haste amp

For dungeons

[thorny saddle]

i tried td4 today and it was fun critting for 370k hehe

so terrible on corruption tho ><

[chilly brook]

370k

Laughs in vengeance TD4 crit for 1.7m

[thorny saddle]

haha meta hacks

[chilly brook]

Pretty sure I also had the damage buff up on the coin boss in motherlode when that happened

[thorny saddle]

why do they get so much hp anyway haha

[chilly brook]

Because they need it for their ehp

The stronger your mitigation is the lower your health pool tends to be

[silver vortex]

pretty sure i already know the answer, but which az-trait would be better, clockwork heart or callous reprisal?

[chilly brook]

Clockwork

That's a giga trait

[amber siren]

thank god

[stiff oracle]

Bout time!

[amber siren]

[chilly brook]

Grats

[still pagoda]

GZ

gonna get R3 tomorrow

just dropped lst conquest cap

still gonna do 3s

cause it's fun

[chilly brook]

I'm scared to open my chest tonight

[vagrant vale]

at what point is it a good idea to stop stacking td and going full vers on corruption?

[still pagoda]

to wreck healers as TSG

I'm scared to open my chest tonight
@chilly brook

I'm scared to do this tomorrow

early in the morning

[amber siren]

[chilly brook]

@vagrant vale when you get one shot and need the increased EHP

Despite proper play

So basically huge keys

[vagrant vale]

Im doing 17s now and dont get 1 shotted

[chilly brook]

So now you have your answer