#protection
chilly brook
still pagoda
you can also use BfI if no CwH/HoD/MS pieces available
hollow anvil
😮
left hatch
yah BFI and IF are ok substitutes
left hatch
Tradewinds or the mastery proc that has a raptor icon (incite the pack?) also ok
still pagoda
BFI is unironically a huge ST DPS boost if RNG will be on your side
hollow anvil
RNG is always on my side
cedar brook
Hey peeps - quick question to you since I am new to tanking in general in this expansion etc. But I read that Pocket-Sized Computation Device is a auto-equip if you have the Subroutine: Overclock in it - because of the haste buff.
If you have that one, Humming Black Dragon Scale, Writhing Segment of Drest'agath and Jes' Howler - how would you equip your trinkets?
left hatch
its no longer an auto equip
its ok for its ilvl but it gets outscaled by heroic level trinkets
chilly brook
It's just difficult to get it to scale because of the third slot
still pagoda
^
left hatch
you wanna aim for Scale, Vita, Rezan, Lingering Psychic Shell, or Butchers Block
chilly brook
The effects scale on overall ilvl of the trinket
still pagoda
and third slot is also usually filled with garbage
left hatch
from what you got ig Scale and Jes
hollow anvil
btw how's wowhead's guide on prot ?
left hatch
depending on the ilvls
chilly brook
Back in 8.2 I had a 450 stat yellow card that made that thing slam with the lazer beam
cedar brook
Yeah.. ok, the Pocket is only ilvl 405, while Jes and Humming are 445
still pagoda
icy veins is basically a Skyhold's inside job
cedar brook
and 455
chilly brook
Use Jes and scale at the moment
left hatch
stealing my advice ):<
chilly brook
Also do heroic Nya because it's really easy
Always steal
It's the motto of a content creator
cedar brook
Cheers! Will do! And yeah, the plan is to spam M+ since I have no real interest in raiding atm
But if the guilds wants me to later one - 🤷
chilly brook
I mean tbh knocking out heroic nya is so easy and the most efficient way for you to gear
left hatch
even just finding a pug for RaDen
chilly brook
Plus the echoes
left hatch
since vita is giga value
steep bone
@cedar brook join some casual hc raiding guilds, that's free clear for you every week basically and items
chilly brook
I want vita on my DH
chilly brook
Or just join a mythic guild as a casual and get carried through heroic every week
cedar brook
Hehe, thanks for the advice peeps
chilly brook
There are plenty of mythic guilds out there that take casuals or m+ interested people
And their heroics are usually free for all to join
sweet summit
we dont do HC anymore 
my alts are dead
sick sentinel
We do it optionally on Tuesday
analog swift
we all still stacking haste to the moon for tdeez right?
still pagoda
the guild i'm trying out for does optional HC on Saturday
analog swift
and it simmed 1K less dps when replacing the crit/vers ring from WM
left hatch
i mean its not just for TD
sick sentinel
Any guild that logs on in the weekends ❌
left hatch
haste is just big value for us in general
chilly brook
I'm currently trying to setup a first 3 mythic alt run for my guild cuz I want the scale on my Vengy boi
left hatch
higher ava uptime, more rage gen -> lower cds
sweet summit
@sick sentinel you have a life besides wow wtf?
left hatch
Anger management lol
analog swift
true
left hatch
our entire kit rn synergizes around haste
analog swift
yeah i know that
chilly brook
Haste also affects shield block
analog swift
yeah
chilly brook
In case you didn't know
left hatch
the only reason verse stacking becomes better at super high key levels is because you literally need that DR to survive being 1shot
otherwise haste is a better stat defensively
sick sentinel
I know @sweet summit I’m a casual
analog swift
got my SB recharge to 6 seconds at one point
yeah just curious why it simmed so much higher than the mecha combo
sweet summit
unlucky mate :/
left hatch
for sim purposes more Claps more avatar uptime and more DS uptime
sick sentinel
Clapz*
left hatch
at best TD is gonna be what 30-40% of your dps
chilly brook
Truuuueeee
still pagoda
DK
chilly brook
It pains me watching DKs in keys tbh
still pagoda
bruh
chilly brook
Because a lot of them are dummies
analog swift
also haste for junkyard build
chilly brook
And they waste their runic power
spring surge
is there like a haste point where we should switch to vers? kinda struggling trying tof igure out what i should be going for
left hatch
%'s don't matter, the softcap for haste is basically unreachable
left hatch
the point you start going for verse is dependent on your content
spring surge
im starting 18s and moving up
left hatch
24ish range where you start being 1-shot despite perfect play
yeh you arn't there yet
spring surge
so is vers only for the damage reduction?
left hatch
both haste and to a small degree crit are better defensive stats for you
sick sentinel
Excuse me. My monk was nearly one shot by void bolt in a 15 tyr shrine :^)
left hatch
i mean if you're comfy you can check sims to see if regemming for a diff stat gains you much
spring surge
my second question would be should i prioritize TD5 or go haste with my TD2?
sick sentinel
TD is lyfe
spring surge
so aim for td5 and if1 then ideally?
left hatch
for rn yeh
spring surge
really trying to decide if i should buy that td3 or not
left hatch
as you work your way up you'll slowly start moving out TD for a second IT1 and some versa amps
but thats a ways off
limpid pawn
Even for 21-22 keys I’m runnin td5 with full haste
Just went lucid major for big pulls and it’s huge
left hatch
(hes talking expedient corruption)
spring surge
i know that lol
left hatch
i meant that to brollikk haha
spring surge
ah
left hatch
expedient stacking really isn't optimal
spring surge
so i shouldnt be looking for haste/vers gear in every slot?
left hatch
Ilvl>Haste>crit>=verse
spring surge
and is it worth buying the td3? since my luck in getting one is non existent
left hatch
yes
steep bone
its giga
left hatch
esp if you put it on a high ilvl piece you arn't likely to replace
you'll be using at least 3 ranks of TD for a very long time
spring surge
my biggest draw back is my cape is only at 68 resistance, still a couple weeks off from being caught up
left hatch
mmm worst case you can wait and buy a few TD1s when they come up
but that feels icky itemizationwise imo
steep bone
tbh, what's gonna happen to corruptions when sl gets out
steep bone
im pretty sure it's gonna be bugged somehow
left hatch
similarly to how legion lego's turned off
but we explicitly arn't suddenly losing corruption or essences or traits in the prepatch/launch like we did artifact weps
spring surge
now for ttraits, i currently have 3 bastion, 2 brace and 1 deaf, should i be looking to switch those to heart of darkness or iron fortress instead of brace?
spring surge
and for raiding is anything needed to be changed? or will m+ gear set up work?
spring surge
ok
sick sentinel
Smash forehead on boss
left hatch
most you'll swap is essences
Formless Void and Null Barrier are a must for raid
CoF major also really gud
spring surge
and m+ minors i usually go aegis, warden and null
left hatch
eh aegis and Null are niche picks in keys
sweet summit
CnS where 
warm plinth
C&S, Lucid, Warden
left hatch
Aegis you need to be in combat with... i think its 6 targets constantly for it to be on par with CnS or Sphere
warm plinth
Or Formless if your healer runs CoF
left hatch
and Null doesn't get consumed frequently enough (or scale into aoe) to make it nearly as strong as it is in raid
sweet summit
or a dps runs breath major
spring surge
i really need to farm out conflict
left hatch
Until then Sphere is a more reliable pick than aegis
esp if you're not in the habit of chain pulling or doing trash with bosses consistently
mild ore
sweet summit
thats a good ring tho
left hatch
and sphere you only need r1
sweet summit
big haste and sock
left hatch
so you can pick it up real quick
sweet summit
might negate one tick of bursting throughout the dungeon 🤣
chilly brook
Yea it won't be reliable
But it has the opportunity to be useful every now and again
Unlike the shield
sick sentinel
Thy leech hnnnnnnnng
chilly brook
left hatch
hey itll mitigate the Seaspeakers in TD looking at you
won't do anything about salt blast
strong forum
nobody can ever beat my DHs rings
left hatch
but those mean looks they give you will be absorbed
sick sentinel
Do they have fat leech
strong forum
475 ring combo with 3 abilities haste socket TD1 and expedient 3
chilly brook
Hey man 13k you dont take is 13k you dont take
sick sentinel
But MORE
sick sentinel
Hnnnnng
left hatch
honestly i think most of my healing is the inner row trait that gives a 4s absorb shield when i munch a soul
been awhile since i looked at hps meters
sweet summit
soulmonger 📉
strong forum
soulmonger 📈
left hatch
it has stupid value
strong forum
most healing is still consume soul though
chilly brook
Soulmonger is stonks
chilly brook
I really can't believe how much fun I'm having with that spec
And gluttony is enjoyable imo
I do miss having spirit bomb though
strong forum
it is, but frac + spb plays so much better
sick sentinel
Gluttony is enjoyable but spb feels a lot better
chilly brook
It's more so that soul cleave feels booty
strong forum
shear spam is literally just okay i dont feel like dying
orchid frigate
how does the savedinstances bad luck protection work?
strong forum
?
orchid frigate
it should indicate when to use coin
chilly brook
Wut
left hatch
FTD is the choice that kills the fun
idm not using Spirit bomb
but no fracture is x.x
orchid frigate
Tracking Bonus Loot Rolls (hidden by default), to help in "gaming" the bad luck protection (*)
chilly brook
I dont understand what you're trying to get at
strong forum
theres people who literally didnt get an item in 20 coins
theres no BLP behind coins
left hatch
hes looking for something that tells him the % hell get loot based on how many rolls hes used
i think
chilly brook
Which doesn't exist
left hatch
but afaik the badluck protection on that is jsut superstition
sick sentinel
Everyone knows if you buy wow tokens you get more loot
left hatch
like people that "get the bad rolls out" before rolling on something for real
sick sentinel
So get out your wallet if you want BLP
left hatch
last thing that had BLP was legion legos i think
strong forum
the only thing that remotely comes to BLP is, if you get loot somewhere in the raid, chances decrease in getting another item, but theres no statistic on that afaik
orchid frigate
can coin on wrath for increasing chance on skitra shoulders i guess
last mason
It’s true, buy and sel wow tokens so you can buy shield
orchid frigate
but if i get something on wrath then...?
strong forum
its purely rng
orchid frigate
oh ok
sweet summit
yes there is some bad luck protection
strong forum
and i get AP, im not mad cuz i think the coin wouldnt've given me loot anyway
but thats just a superstition
left hatch
my friend has a superstition that in order for us to get vex down he has to mess up her flyby and die to it
cause the first like.... 5 kills on her
we got when he mucked it up
including heroic first kill
still pagoda
my friend has a superstition that in order for us to get vex down he has to mess up her flyby and die to it
@left hatch
I hope i won't see such people this Wednesday
since this will be dank
warm plinth
Is there not? There was a bonus roll BLP introduced back in WoD and there's never been something that said it wasn't a thing anymore.
strong forum
nothing suggests that there is BLP
warm plinth
e.g. the more times you roll and don't receive an item, the higher the chance that you'll receive an item the next time you bonus roll.
left hatch
or you can be like me and waste 10 rolls on Raden and get void trinket 6 times (:
still pagoda
that one moment when only 3 bosses i need loot from are Maut, Hivemind and Skitra
left hatch
cause the RNG gods are displeased and refused to give me my weapon
spring surge
i cant get a LPS to save my life lol
strong forum
only need nzoth helmet, rest can fuck right off :)))
still pagoda
maybe will waste bonus roll on Maut for a chance of pants
sick sentinel
The only loot on Raden is the pet.
strong forum
pets 📉
still pagoda
pets 📉 [2]
left hatch
its investing
sick sentinel
I think I have like 36 pets in all my time playing this game
still pagoda
vita 📈
sick sentinel
Getting that every week makes me so angry.
strong forum
same
sick sentinel
It’s also how I make mine aside from the occasional key sale
strong forum
cba boosting anymore
left hatch
i need to figure out how to game the AH
sick sentinel
Good luck
left hatch
cause raiding gonna be expensive
sick sentinel
This point in the game there will always be someone better than you at it lol
I’m waiting for the tokens to hit close to 200k again, and I’ll probably buy 4 and be set for most of SL
sick sentinel
800k gets you through an expansion...
I don’t mythic raid and I have about a half a mill on me
left hatch
i mean lego bases are crafted
sick sentinel
I lose more than that in a single raid gambling at times lmao
exotic spoke
sup prot qtpies
warm plinth
👋
sick sentinel
So tomorrow’s NA key affixes. Yikes.
last mason
It’s bolstering and what
grand drum
greivous
ripe shale
bolster fort 😖
cosmic coral
how good i 1 ineffable truth?
still pagoda
it's a great filler]
cosmic coral
Im thinking of buying one since ill have xtra resistance to play with by the time it come sbakc
warm plinth
What are you running right now?
still pagoda
why not
cosmic coral
TD5 expedient rank 3
1x expedient rank 3
buy the time IT is back i think ill have more than enough resistance for an IT 1
upper kindle
what abilities does ineffable truths affect?
warm plinth
All class abilities
upper kindle
like does stormbolt count?
warm plinth
Yep
upper kindle
wow everything eh
warm plinth
Yeah that's why it's such a nice filler. Gives you the opportunity to get a lot of your utility spells back quicker. Pummel, Spell Reflection, etc.
warm plinth
Some day
warm plinth
2 weeks is only 6 corruption resistance; are you behind?
weary trellis
is there a point when you should go from TD -> VER?
I currently run TD4 and VER1. Should i try to go more on VER for 15-20 keys?
weary trellis
thanks 🙂
analog swift
if it's worht anything
i've been tanking 20-22s all week
never once thought "man I wish I had more verse"
full monolith
Same here. Tanked Teeming 23s without any vers
analog swift
i don't think it's worth replacing td with vers
i would probably say having a verse set
is ideal for something like tyr ml/workshop + fort zul
full monolith
Yet this week I had healers joining my 23 and be like „oh you dont have vers. You will die. Wont try to heal you“
sick sentinel
If a healer enters a key and immediately comments on your vers you should comment on their stats and say you won’t try to tank
strong forum
Or class
sick sentinel
“If you rip threat I won’t taunt”
strong forum
Always mention class
sick sentinel
“You’re not an rdruid must be shit”
strong forum
If they're druid complain they're not pally
If they're pally complain theyre not druid
sick sentinel
If they’re not either leave key
strong forum
If theyre anything else, complain they're not druid
sick sentinel
Kekw
strong forum
I get to complain about everything cuz my shaman agrees
And makes fun of every druid that's not 5k
sick sentinel
You know what would really tilt em
gloomy jolt
Hi all 🙂
sweet summit
hallo
strong forum
👋
sick sentinel
If you said they aren’t wearing all 475 gear so they don’t have enough intellect
strong forum
Oh yeah that's good
sick sentinel
I’m gonna use that
gloomy jolt
Im new to Prot warrior. Well, new to tanking. I watched youtube guide, and got some info from wowhead. Can U point me to any info about prot warrior in here in Skyhold?
upper violet
the pins and #268491842637660160
sick sentinel
Icy veins is the guide you want
sweet summit
i 2nd this ^
strong forum
The icy veins guide is written by the current theorycrafter and member of this discord
gloomy jolt
@sick sentinel OK, i`ll look and IcyVeins then.
@upper violet OK, gonna jump to this too.
sick sentinel
Yep take a look at that, after that if there are any questions we can help from there
upper violet
sick sentinel
Or nome can give you his classic copy pasta
strong forum
That's just a very short crash course
dire gull
Is Haste or vers better for prot?
strong forum
Haste
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit for m+
strong forum
Vers is only for 25++
sick sentinel
To be clear at no point is vers better than haste. There is a point, however, where you may move vers higher up the priority just for the flat DR
strong forum
You can opt to play it earlier, but that fully depends on your group
dire gull
Thanks for the help
sick sentinel
If you run vers below 20 you hate fun don’t @ me
full monolith
People are talking that vers is for those one-shots on 25++
But where exactly can you get oneshot? Waycrest Goliath Boss? Just curious as on 23s I was never close to getting oneshot
sick sentinel
Lol water bolt
steep bone
There should be some bot command !vers with explanation
strong forum
You run vers for the high amount of magic dmg / dots you will experience in higher keys
sick sentinel
Waaaaaaater (bolt) sucks it really really sucks waaaaaater (bolt) sucks
strong forum
For additional safety and less rng
full monolith
I see. But on 25s one should know to kite stuff like water bolts
upper violet
just to flex alittle bit here 
was my idea
full monolith
If it is for those casts it is not worth imo
upper violet
strong forum
Its not for surviving water bolts
sick sentinel
It’s not just for that tho, you just asked what could one shot you
I provided a single example
sick sentinel
Also, when you get to that level, there is little room for mistakes. Perhaps the largest reason people run vers builds is to provide themselves with a little cushion
Naowh summed it up perfectly in his write up
rogue, blacksmith, inscriptionist, deleted.
full monolith
I have read the pins. But detailed situations are not explained
steep bone
that UI
full monolith
Ye guess it is more of a safety thing. Like he states in one sentence. Thanks guys
sick sentinel
Because realistically there isn’t a need for detailed situations. The situation is that as you get to that level the amount of unavoidable damage you take becomes much higher and vers helps to smooth that out
strong forum
Like, rezan bleed absolutely fucks in high keys
upper violet
ur ui is giving me autism
upper violet
?
undone sun
undone sun
default makes me sick
sick sentinel
im probably going to delete the weak aura in center middle. it's all one group too lazy to uncouple them all
upper violet
i use default
undone sun
david makes me sick
upper violet
but why are the bars so large
steep bone
hes using bartender without disabled blizzard art
upper violet
its kinda 
strong forum
In Interface
steep bone
maybe he wears glasses
sick sentinel
nah, no glasses, just.
strong forum
It's always very easy to tell if someone is playing on a small screen, the UI covers a shitton
steep bone
on small screen with such ui i wouldn't see a thing
strong forum
You don't make your UI smaller for small screens, you don't see your buttons then
steep bone
true but when i played on 15" i just used bartender without blizz art and stacked bars and have very minimalistic stuff
sick sentinel
That I agree on. You can read chat from yesterday on that bad boy
upper violet
ur looking at ur bars idk like its kinda weird
strong forum
Literally /leave 1 /leave 2 /leave 3 /leave 4
sick sentinel
I also have to criticize your party frames
strong forum
And youre free of 'tism
warm plinth
What exactly was I supposed to look at in that video?
steep bone
^
sick sentinel
apparently you can just pull them right out of cage with TD
warm plinth
Oh, yeah I do that with not even TD
warm plinth
Immolation Aura does the same thing, or Torment in a Jar
sick sentinel
yeah, i'mma fix Ui
Have you ever had the classic pull jes through the wall wit h TD
steep bone
I leaped somewhere in td and pulled upstairs, i think in tunnels
warm plinth
We did Siege last week and I managed to pull the two commander patrol after 2nd boss through the barrier before we'd killed her 🙂
steep bone
cat gameplay on resonably high level, i want more
strong forum
Should've seen first boss
sick sentinel
Nome was that you calling for a wipe
strong forum
Ye, I didn't believe
strong forum
2 jailers and 2 salt blasters
I didn't believe
But first boss was topkek, me basically soloing it
sick sentinel
You never know what wild shit the monkeys can pull out in times of need
strong forum
Everyone was dead halfway through, 24mil just me and an oom healer
sick sentinel
Ez
strong forum
However the adds dot doesn't scale
So I had 45 stacks off it
And I got my VRs off
wanton elk
what trinkets should i be looking for?
currently i have rezan's eye while trying to get ra-den's
and i assume n'zoth trinket is the second one you want?
strong forum
Dragonscale/rezan/vita/block
wanton elk
butcher's block?
strong forum
Nzoth is only kind of useful for high keys, or when you're not as adept to cover mistakes / gaps
Ye
wanton elk
for damage?
wanton elk
ahhh gotcha
strong forum
And as most dmg in m+ is melee, having additional parry is insanely good midigation
wanton elk
i'll replace my xanesh trinket with that then in the meantime
limpid pawn
Nzoth trinket is absolute tits for when you’re in awakened pillars
It counts as being in nyalotha in there
limpid pawn
Yes, so for hero buster, it’s like an immunity
wanton elk
hero buster is fucking hard
limpid pawn
For spider/fear boss it’s like an immunity to those bleeds
limpid pawn
It gives huge huge value
upper violet
yeah its pretty good if the healer cant heal u properly while in those
limpid pawn
It allows so much room for error
left hatch
on higher keys ppl have been breaking out Urchin again
but thats not till like midrange 20's
limpid pawn
With high versa build yeah
exotic spoke
I mean, its not about the healer not being able to heal you David. It gets to a point where you just need a defensive or to kite. I'd rather defensive and stay in and get more dps
exotic spoke
for every single hero buster attack
wanton elk
i'm at 24% versatility atm, need to get more
limpid pawn
And making my healers life easier
exotic spoke
And for the fear - my experiences are going to be different than most people. Dwarf is OP OP
left hatch
%'s don't matter
limpid pawn
But alliance is ftl
limpid pawn
I’m doing 28s only
exotic spoke
Nah brollik. We're qtpies
wanton elk
so should i actually put on my crit corruptions?
limpid pawn
You wanna stack twilight dev
left hatch
you want TD with Expedient or IT1 as a filler
limpid pawn
No, twilight dev 100% and yes expedient/IT
left hatch
already better than versa amps at that level
wanton elk
and an expedient 3 on mechagon crit ring
do i replace my versatility sockets with haste ones?
limpid pawn
If you have echoes, buy td3
left hatch
yes
limpid pawn
Yes 100%
wanton elk
i spent them all on severe 3 last rotation unfortunately
limpid pawn
Haste makes td proc more and is both offensive and defensively good
left hatch
point for point versa is a worse stat defensively than haste or crit till you get to a point you absolutely need it
to survive 1 shots despite perfect play
it builds up hella slow compared to the benefits of haste and parry
wanton elk
alright
guess i can use some fury pieces for my tank spec then lol
also i assume wrathion weapon 445 socketed > wrathion weapon 460 no socket?
purified
warm plinth
@potent anvil
undone sun
modern brook
Thrall is a 2head server
regal saddle
onyx vessel
Bashing thrall
chilly brook
I mean
onyx vessel
chilly brook
Faralos has decent stats
wanton elk
vexiona's is crit/haste so i should be aiming for that right
onyx vessel
The corruption hell no
chilly brook
The corruption isn't horrible its TD1 but worse
chilly brook
Stats wise you want cara
chilly brook
@modern brook excuse me don't bash my new server
wanton elk
so carapace off hand and vex/wrath main hand then?
modern brook
Oh welcome to my server griff
wanton elk
well shield
modern brook
Prepare to be disappointed
onyx vessel
Illgs shield
chilly brook
Only shield is from ilg iirc
wanton elk
oh
chilly brook
Or am I wrong
onyx vessel
If shields webt 485
wanton elk
yeah i got that totally wrong
onyx vessel
chilly brook
Cara weapon is just gonna be better period though because of the 10ilvl regardless of secindaries
onyx vessel
Alot of weapon dmg
chilly brook
So target cara weapon tbh
Weapon dps is huge
And all stats are good
@modern brook well it got me from 0/12 to 7/12m
chilly brook
Thanks qt
cosmic coral
in KR and i pulled a few slimes cuz dps were being mongo and not stopping dps for the last like 3 pulls, DH pulls 4 extra, we get 9 stacks
chilly brook
Now I just gotta hope it doesn't explode on Raden
cosmic coral
I call him out on it and he leaves the group
cosmic coral
yes, indeed
upper violet
steep bone
he have seen that healers on streams are outhealing 12stacks just like its nothing and he thought that ppl at +9 can do the same
cosmic coral
chilly brook
Tbh I didn't want to transfer but tank slots are few and far between especially for guilds that aren't hard stuck 3 or 4/12
cosmic coral
hes 1997 io sounds right
limpid pawn
who here uses the mechagon rings
i have these, i assume using them would be better than two 475 rings
cosmic coral
i wanna say thats better than 2 475s cuz more stats the better and 10 ilvl in a ring isnt a huge diff but a 189 consistent proc is
limpid pawn
yeah thats what i thought too, so the 3 different spells/abilities
what exactly counts for that?
cosmic coral
tclap shield slam and revenge
limpid pawn
like thunderclap - does this count?
cosmic coral
id say
strong forum
Brolikk, that's bis
limpid pawn
revenge?
strong forum
Yup
limpid pawn
oh, i think im gonna get carapace/nzoth azerite pieces soon too
would those both be preferred over my current setup
i have mythic skitra shoulders, mythic vexiona chest, and abyssal mael helm
strong forum
Keep those then
limpid pawn
seems like i would be losing 1 BoM or something but maybe gaining 3 HoD
strong forum
I'd argue what you have right now is better than nzoth + carapace
Also losing 1 bom is a nono
Bom > hod
limpid pawn
yeah that's what i thought
shit i want BoM x 3 and HoD x 3
why can't they do that for us
all the while wearing like 490 azerites
strong forum
Atleast defensively, cuz you have 3x IV 3x OP 3x Bom 2x Hod 1x dc
Doesn't get much better than that defensively
limpid pawn
yeah, those azerites i have now are so amazing i feel bad getting rid of any- but 10 ilevel seems good
still pagoda
^
upper violet
I have scuffed azerite like 2 450 and 1 460 should i buy some 465 or save
This reset i might be able to gamble a 480 so idk
Not much luck with raid azerite
cosmic coral
join a guild so u can get 480 azerite pieces
upper violet
I havent done a 15 yet this week im thinking the upgrades might help
Yeah no guild im a casual boi
Dont have much time to commit
cosmic coral
push your key to a 15
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
there, i made ui neater, i i think
cosmic coral
nope
sick sentinel
always room for improvement
sweet summit
so close
sick sentinel
Pathetic
rosjen != 
really want td3 from vendor, but impossible to farm out 8k between now and tomorrow probably
upper violet
Im 4k away :/
cosmic coral
8k is totally achievable
steep bone
and ill never understand not having own unit frame and target around middle of ur screen, how do you track your hp
cosmic coral
red glowy stuff on the sides of the screen duh
oak pebble
hi guys ,, what are best azerite traits for warrior prot ? i have 2x brace of impact 2x bastian of might and 1 iron fortress ??
sick sentinel
You ideally want 1 deafening crash, 3x bastion of might, and 3 Heart of darkness/clockwork heart/ meticulous scheming
sweet summit
first DC>ilvl on azerite>BoM>anything else>>>>CR>BS
sick sentinel
DC is mandatory
oak pebble
dc thats the thunderclap one yeh ?
sweet summit
ya
oak pebble
mm need to redo again it seems
modern brook
Do we have the full rotation for corruption vendor yet?
strong forum
Nop
modern brook
t-t
strong forum
Could very well take 1-9 weeks for full rotation to be known
oak pebble
mm seems my gear sucks lol
sick sentinel
the ilvl on azerite thing isn't true for n'zoth / carapace stuff especially with % corruptions but generally yes rosjen
carapace shoulders are hot doo
upper violet
Nom is skeptical of the rotation
upper violet
upper violet
upper violet
Worth dropping 1td for IT1 x2?
upper violet
Seems rly good for the sb and kick and stuns
upper violet
Everything ? Damn
sick sentinel
GIB ME MY IT
strong forum
IT is 👌
upper violet
1td rank seems worth to drop if i can spam tc if it procs in avatar
And the other stuff of
Ofc
strong forum
Ye like, dropping 1 TD for 1/2 IT1s is perfectly good
sick sentinel
Every single piece of gear I have is main stat vers besides like 2 so Vers Amps and IT are going to be mega for me
the other 2 are main stat haste with vers
I don't have a single crit/mastery piece lmao
strong forum
Well yeah cuz that's as trash as it gets
strong forum
Ah
sick sentinel
I just have pure haste/vers
strong forum
Na i have my stuff all over the place
upper violet
Same
sick sentinel
I have 24% vers without any vers amps
sick sentinel
and 2.3k haste
upper violet
I think i have some vers on every item but gloves and wrist
I mean haste
Pepega brain
strong forum
Ye my haste is fine, I have 1 piece with haste mastery 1 piece with crit vers avoidance + socket
Rest is haste vers
Missing a couple sockets
But im not doing big boi keys yet
So it's no biggie
strong forum
And maybe never will 🤷♂️, will prolly cap out at 4k or smth
sick sentinel
missing 3 socket boios
inland bolt
vers%? you mean stacking TD's right?
sick sentinel
ew no
stone lodge
hey guys any1 else getting this message from details when reflecting ?
sick sentinel
that's some early season 4 shit
upper violet
I missed out on the chance to buy td3 , how long will i wear 430 gloves with poop stats
inland bolt
just play better and you don't need vers %
strong forum
No idea what that is @stone lodge
upper violet
If u do like 24 or something just isnt enough
stone lodge
@strong forum kk ty anyway 🙂
sick sentinel
I'm kyothi nice to meet you
strong forum
Na David don't get involved
inland bolt
i just dont want you to spread misinformation 😠
sick sentinel
It's not misinformation
upper violet
Ok mister
upper violet
sick sentinel
I wasn't talking about the people who do 15s tho
I was talking with
what I << want
hoary root
At what keys should I start to think about vers?
inland bolt
world first!
sick sentinel
like 24/25s
depending on your comp
or healer
or what you're doing
or if you're pugging
tame garden
what about oce first
tame garden
no shots
upper violet
Oce doesnt exist
inland bolt
D: speg take it easy...
upper violet
The earth is flat
inland bolt
???
upper violet
Ehhhhhh
tame garden
inland bolt
the moment oce swaps to horde im swapping to troll asap
been waiting to play that since i started playing wow
tame garden
vulpera or bust
upper violet
Same but orc
still pagoda
That alliance is better
@strong forum
Yet even RU already gave up
RIP alliance
#xfactionwhen
inland bolt
im so sorry for you
sick sentinel
Red team rules
upper violet
Im on ravencrest eu which is supposed to be one of the biggest for raiders but didnt lots of guild transfer to horde
still pagoda
was forced to move to horde
strong forum
Yes David 6/10 top guilds went horde
still pagoda
Im on ravencrest eu which is supposed to be one of the biggest for raiders but didnt lots of guild transfer to horde
@upper violet
Have you seen situation on Gordunni-EU?
strong forum
In the last 2 tiers alone
upper violet
Oof
inland bolt
im scared now howd you know I was oce @tame garden
strong forum
Cuz mdi
still pagoda
_And when the guns fell silent, at last
There's nothing that remains of the past
The world that I knew is dead and gone
My soul is left in ruins
And I cannot see the dawn
_
strong forum
Some tismos do
still pagoda
literally me before transferring to horde
upper violet
I always wanna play horde but all the hordes i know quit and all the alliance gamers play
Its weird
tame garden
i recognize you and rainon since s2 from class discords
strong forum
You get money for top 8?
tame garden
and yeah mdi memes
still pagoda
alright
inland bolt
lmao we started playing wow in s1 so it was probably very scuffed questions
still pagoda
time to scrounge through guild logs and shitton of PoV's for Vex
upper violet
Since the blizzard yt deal mdi is kinda ded
still pagoda
since i've just got direct message that they're extending reset
strong forum
S2 was you memeing about FH with ravager memes
tame garden
ye never forget rainon asking if wild growth is wroth pressing
strong forum
That's what I remember
tame garden
worth*
sick sentinel
just play rank 8 IT and play ravager
still pagoda
S2 was you memeing about FH with ravager memes
@strong forum
S2 was me memeing with 200k DPS as a frost mage
inland bolt
ahh i remember the ravager days
still pagoda
just play rank 8 IT and play ravager
The ghost lurks along the Skyhold... The ghost of Ineffable Ravager
time to scrounge through guild logs, shitton of prot warr PoV's for Vex and Raden, and create a list of questions that i need to address to their tank tomorrow
and talk over to him before reset and raid night
sick sentinel
Prot war POV on ra den will be facing away from the boss 🤣
upper violet
Ait
inland bolt
lmao don't get meleed with full parry its the play
still pagoda
my new(for me) co-tank is BDK @strong forum
inland bolt
im stacking severe because of this
upper violet
Double synergy
strong forum
Neverminding the fact that parry has DRs
still pagoda
^
upper violet
Also dwarf for minmax
sick sentinel
That’s what you think
inland bolt
dwarf for minmax? you play gnome to dodge frontals
still pagoda
Also dwarf for minmax
@upper violet
belf gang
upper violet
The theoretical value of parry has never been reached
Only ravagar can save us
strong forum
📈
still pagoda
📈
inland bolt
i made a mistake playing nelf this entire time
upper violet
Ah right mixed them up
inland bolt
pretty much 'most' tanks pushing rn are playing conflict major with full vers%, is that because theyre missing a rank 3 surging to make lucid viable? or is the vers%+conflict combo just much greater than a lucid with 4 vers%+surging
strong forum
At some point, the opportunity cost of vers% is better than surging vita
It's explained in the pin
upper violet
👉
strong forum
It's more vers per corruption
sick sentinel
i can totally see mdi groups doing that twilight dev cage pull in tol dagor
upper violet
strong forum
Mdi is, pull as little as you can until you get to the cannons, then annihilate the dungeon with cannons
Except maybe beach
You do entire beach + boss, then skip as much as you can
sick sentinel
does it make most sense to do 3rd ob after 3rd boss in TD take it to final stairs? aggro both groups and blow up with that?
inland bolt
if im understanding correctly, the surging only loses value if youre running conflict major? but if youre playing lucid major you want to have a surging rank 3 after 4vers% amps?
sick sentinel
figure it'd be easier to los if i attempted that
strong forum
About TD im not an expert on the route for pushing, have only done like 2-3 keys total this season
inland bolt
@sick sentinel whatever works for your group, i think the 'standard' strat it just to aggro the dude so he follows you and you pull up the stairs, before you run past the two casters you double cc them, and you pull the 2 pack at the stairs down. you line up the 3 dudes on the 2 caster chicks then vortex+shoot
strong forum
I read it as such Shaw ye, regarding lucid vs cns
But as its said, can't go wrong with surging if you can fit it
sick sentinel
my main goal is to get all dungeons done on a 15 timer
inland bolt
yeah its weird since the top two chinese tanks almost exclusively ran lucid major in every key but now since everyone has vers% theyre only running conflict major
strong forum
What we did in 24, ( cuz ninjad alot) is what you first said yogi
warm plinth
I think it's just a consistency thing probably
wanton elk
deafening crash or heart of darkness? i assume the latter is just overall better
strong forum
We had 100% at 3rd boss, then just took last pillar straight to boss
inland bolt
@wanton elk DC if its your first trait
wanton elk
heart of darkness otherwise?
wanton elk
alright
warm plinth
That's a guess though; I'm not one of those top key pushers. It makes sense though.
strong forum
It's cuz you get 1k+ vers from just running cns as major
wanton elk
i stacked bastion of might/deafening crash but i'm thinking i'll switch the traits up since aggro isn't an issue unless a fire mage combusts on the opener
strong forum
Literally just vers major
Is 1k vers
Then the minor ontop is another 1k
Almost
If you have 7 vers3 that's almost 100% more vers
You get around 450 baseline from cns
Then the major gives you another 450 ontop of that baseline
warm plinth
Yeah I just figured if you're pushing at that level you can't afford to have RNG in your survival
strong forum
Ye that too
warm plinth
So surging wouldn't be as good
inland bolt
running that conflict major + vers% build
warm plinth
No it's not bad. Just not consistent, even at 50% uptime
inland bolt
im seeing naowh run urchin + alchemist stone (unlike 99% of warriors in the game running vita+nzoth trinket with the vers% build)
strong forum
He's literally going all out for that vers huh...
Ideally want the vers + Str proc trinket from pvp
inland bolt
yeah
strong forum
But urchin idk....
inland bolt
with conflict major and both those trinkets he's literally got no buttons to press