i only have today to grind
#protection
upper violet
hollow bolt
upper violet
busy the next few days till reset then its gone
strong forum
unluck
sick sentinel
Hey, I know I saw some talk about it the other day but can't find it. In raid, how big of a difference does a 475 shield make from a 465? I thought I saw something about 2% DR.
upper violet
dont have cns on my warr so kinda unluck... waiting for my other character to get it then ill get from echos
strong forum
465 to 475 is about 8-11% effective difference
upper violet
im so scared of opening weekly box just to see 
upper violet
pog
amber siren
poggies
strong forum
slap a socket on there and TD2 and youve got mine
sick sentinel
Between 8-11%? Or equivalent of 3%?
warm plinth
I'm gonna put TD3 on it but I need like 1400 more echoes to get TD3
warm plinth
The 3% you probably heard was the difference between the actual reductions @sick sentinel
upper violet
man my azerite sucks balls and 0 dropped for me this reset feelsbadman
sick sentinel
Now is that 8-11% difference straight DR, or is there another benefit I'm not seeing?
brittle owl
block rating
amber siren
that'd just be from the block, other benefits would be increased secondary stats
strong forum
well also every other stat
still pagoda
^
sullen valve
Mwahi is old
warm plinth
Abe can I recommend wowA as a useful tool for protection warriors again?
sick sentinel
I should only aim for 1 deafening crash right?
grim hornet
I have finally enough Echoes for Twilight Devastation 3.
Which item would you enchant with it?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/frostwolf/raizgott
amber siren
Whichever one you’re going to be wearing 100% of the time and not going to replace anytime soon
main vault
If you are really gonna waste it on that gear
still pagoda
^
main vault
Put it on 460 ring
still pagoda
keep it until you will have a better item to put it on
something 475 that you will never take off
sick sentinel
yeet
I got items purified so I don't have to worry about the damn eye killing me in my M+ runs
grim hornet
okay, I figured as much. I'll just buy it and keep it for the time being
thank you for your opinion
but TD is the way to go, right?
I've seen some higher warriors stacking versa on insane 28 keys
still pagoda
I got items purified so I don't have to worry about the damn eye killing me in my M+ runs
@sick sentinel
eye
killing
still pagoda
barely
sick sentinel
Am not the best
still pagoda
i just ignore it up until 2nd in a row
if it refreshes stacks
then yes
it becomes a bit of a problem
main vault
So do you run with like 0 corruption?
still pagoda
started to knock into doors and recruitment stuff of different guilds again. Maybe i will be able to find a place with tank spot this time around
still pagoda
you've just said a pretty stupid thing
upper violet
I mean
still pagoda
not having TD4-5 is meh, but certain corruption breakpoints
they don't mean anything
upper violet
Not using corruptions when its rly easy to deal with the negative
exotic spoke
Never did see TD on any relevant pieces - other than the 1 td1 I got on 460 pants. Oh well
sullen valve
@warm plinth yes
exotic spoke
I mean, its pretty minor on some pieces. boots / bracers for example.
For a while I was using 430 bracers with TD2 so I could have some for keys
sick sentinel
I don't have 0 corruption
I got wrists and a ring
and both got tentacles corruption
cursive burrow
Ew. Should have dropped that for TD.
warm plinth
@sick sentinel Does this mean my war can't come for scuffed alt keys now?
warm plinth
Can you not make fun of my arterial protection chest
still pagoda
No :D
upper violet
not having max cape 
warm plinth
It's not my main. In fact it's like
still pagoda
^
warm plinth
My 4th alt or something
sweet summit
enchants :reee:
warm plinth
I mean, that's assuming I have the visions to do all of the cloak upgrades
Which I don't
sick sentinel
Judging people for alts lul
Honestly it’s a beta move to even have a cloak don’t @ me
Ez 15 shrine no cloak
still pagoda
upper violet
So i assumed like 2nd idk
still pagoda
prot warrior gameplay in a nutshell ^^
chilly brook
Well the good news is you dont have to main the class to have a solid understanding and provide advice
@sick sentinel I'm gonna judge you because of your alts
main vault
Bear
still pagoda
chilly brook
Pet taunt was bis
still pagoda
what can be worse than me healing
upper violet
🖖
chilly brook
Once I get my shaman some more gear then the panda enhancement dream will live
frank marsh
@still pagoda , timed a 15 wcm today. Was not that bad. Thanks for the motivation yesterday
lilac hawk
having td3 but 17% haste or no td3 and 75% basehaste?
frank marsh
In my opinion, people who motivates other people needs to know that sometimes. All get a good feeling then. Win win
warm plinth
I don't hang out in any other class discords because I don't enjoy the people in other class Discords. Hence why I hang out here even though prot is not my main
sick sentinel
upper violet
coral ledge
The vibe in all class discords is basically similar
Basically people asking the same question over and over and someone else answering "sim it" lol
upper violet
Yeah and when ppl are bored they develop cliques and stuff and talk about random shit while some dude asks a question that gets answered by checking pins
It is what it is
still pagoda
sweet summit
vibe check
sick sentinel
sweet summit
you have failed the vibe check, your life privilege have been forfeit
steep bone
Guys, i need good movie while doing daily stuff, halp warriors
sweet summit
it is a movie tho
still pagoda
Guys, i need good movie while doing daily stuff, halp warriors
@steep bone
Apocalypse Now
modern brook
Yo my favorite movie is Kimi no na wa
upper violet
Delete weebs
sweet summit
delete me daddy
sick sentinel
AYAYAYA
upper violet
Ok this is worse than i thought
sweet summit
steep bone
left hatch
Parasite was a dope movie
but not a good 'have in the background' movie unless you speak Korean
left hatch
John Wick tho, never gets old
steep bone
Ohh ive seen that one several times
upper violet
Keanu 100 doggo chonky big chungus
sweet summit
wholesome 100
steep bone
there was john wick 3 right
steep bone
wait third is alrdy released?
left hatch
mhmm
upper violet
Yes
steep bone
i gotta hurry with wqs then
left hatch
parabellum
steep bone
me greedy, me poor
sick sentinel
my strategy for gold is buy 1-2 tokens, see how long that lasts me till i get under 25k, then i get another one
steep bone
id advertise but im too lazy, id boost fh but im too lazy
but apparently wheni see gold emissary im going ham on every 120 ive
X D
steep bone
ikr
languid heath
Ummm guys I got a TD3 ring and already have TD3 bracers... do I have to cleanse one or can I at some point use both? I‘m not too squeamish about the TFB.
Both good ilvl for me
left hatch
itll be a few weeks before you can run TD6 under 40
languid heath
Alright, but it’s worth pushing my cloak then. Just over 40 would be alright for me I guess. Thanks!!
warm plinth
ez 2 mask clear Had to have my friend put the masks on for me though because I only have daredevil and long night. Pretty sure I'll be able to 5 mask once I get gift
covert inlet
hello folks!
chilly brook
@steep bone 1918 was a great movie
steep bone
@chilly brook will check, thanks
analog swift
hey all
what's the best way to deal with shattering toss in freehold
and having your back turn/landing in the middle of a pack
see attached (can't clip cuz twitch is messing up rn)
(not plug)
strong forum
having the group in literal melee, or you can intervene players instantly ( if you intervene a friendly you dont require a minimum range and will charge instantly back out)
analog swift
wait does shattering toss throw you to an ally?
strong forum
yes
analog swift
ah
strong forum
always
tame garden
Lmao you got pwned
strong forum
i think furthest target
tame garden
Ye you get thrown at the furthest ally
analog swift
AH
strong forum
because i play with 2-3 ranged in every key i always get fucking yeeted
so i never died like you did
analog swift
LOL
still surprised i didn't go to healer
but i generally run w/ a hunter
so that makes sense
warm plinth
@tame garden 👋
tame garden
👨🌾
steep bone
if there's something more annoying than stuns its this npc ninjapulling when you're at 100sanity
tame garden
Just gotta do the dailies
sick sentinel
just bought a contract
exotic spoke
what are you up to?
tame garden
Waiting for you to stream your keys
exotic spoke
Funny you should mention that. Im about to do keys
my obs is effed right now. But I can get a druid pov for them i fyou want?
tame garden
Sure
grim hornet
is the Salvaged Mekacycle Shielding (Shield) actually good?
grim hornet
got it with Echoing Void Corruption and it's 5 ilvl higher than my 455 Versa/Mastery Shield
still pagoda
ilvl is the only thing that matters on shields
grim hornet
do multiple instances of echoing void stack?
still pagoda
though Mecha shield is garbo
compared to other ones
do multiple instances of echoing void stack?
Additive
just like TD and other corruptions
but EV is bad
grim hornet
got no other corruptions atm
still pagoda
then it's fine
deft vortex
Whats better for tanking M+?
mortal brook
barnacle
undone sun
sporepods is trash
undone sun
mortal brook
tame garden
severe monolith
spark mortar
So I'm basically tanking Mythic farm bosses, Heroic AOTC clears and <M20s. Does it still make sense to gem for Haste in this case?
empty nacelle
there was a good description posted in the pins yesterday, I would give that a read
spark mortar
Yeah I was reading that on the Corruption part specifically.
nova rover
Reading through it now, is mindflay even worth it?
Im trying to decide if mindflay gets clensed vs infinite star
marsh smelt
If I'm just hunting Humming Black Dragonscale, is it better to set my loot spec to arms/fury for Wrathion?
errant valve
Yes it is, Prot has chance to get 3 different items and fury/arms has only 2 instead
sick sentinel
I'd love to have that trinket, but meh
covert inlet
Hello, I am new to tanking as a prot warrior and currently stuck on Ilvl due to my trinkets and rings. Do you all have any suggestions on where i could go to upgrade those?
left hatch
Vita, LPS and Dragonscale from Raid
Rezan's Eye and Butchers Block from Atal and WCM respectively
chilly brook
What Morrison said
marsh smelt
460 Void-Twisted
460 Torment
440 Rezan
Which two should I use?
marsh smelt
ty
late dawn
Is Bloodthristy Urchin a good trinket for tanking m+?
limpid pawn
some people use it for high keys with versa stack
because the heal on the trinket becomes more effective with more verse
graceful wave
Is there a resource to help players maximize their damage as prot?
limpid pawn
raidbots
cosmic coral
how much do you guys think 475 haste vers boe gloves with a versatile 3 would be worth?
I'm feeling bad from how fast my gloves sold , i put them up for 425k
main vault
depends on server
cosmic coral
stormrage so fairly populated for ally
o well, ima buy a 475 shield off the AH now too
main vault
yeah but, fairly pop for ally is like, a medium horde server at best lol
425k is probably not far off
cosmic coral
is it a smart move to buy a 475 shield for 400k
main vault
There is a pair on Malganis right now with Vers2 for 500k
bunch of proc ones for less than 400k
400k is probably good tbh, the cheapest right now is 390k
and that has VR2
and its a Haste/Vers shield so
cosmic coral
cheapest on the AH atm is 500k with racing pulse 2, so im thinking i can get a shield for 400k with no corruption
main vault
If you can find one
cosmic coral
ye
main vault
there are none right now
cosmic coral
ill post for a couple of hours to see if i can get lucky
main vault
400k is like, super bottom dollar it looks like
cosmic coral
yea, i dont wanna waste all 500k of my gold on a shield, want to save atleast 100k :p
main vault
you may get lucky
unborn ore
quickly, tanking m+ for the first time... general rotation for max dps? oO
quickly, as In I am about to do it and have always played fury haha
warm plinth
Press Thunder Clap when available, press Shield Slam when available (switch these on ST), press Revenge when it's free, press Devastate when there's absolutely nothing else to press @unborn ore
cosmic coral
anyone want to sell me a 475 shield for 400k on stormrage
warm plinth
I just used b.net balance to transfer a toon so I could buy a shield on Azralon for 400k 😂
cosmic coral
just checked my home server and there isnt even a 475 shield available for sell
feelsbad
analog swift
so i'm simming the mechagon rings got a weird result
ring two piece is a 1,300 dps downgrade
cosmic coral
haste mastery 475 > crit mastery 475 right?
mortal brook
generally yes. can sim it tho
cosmic coral
how do u sim stuff as prot?
mortal brook
same as everyone else does. raidbots is good for tank spec damage
@analog swift unsurprising given how much more crit and vers are doin for ya https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9U8TCTN3p2Lg4ZUgGWEs4q
analog swift
i guess i was taken a back by how much
crit and verse are worth more than that much haste
sick sentinel
Offensively yes
dark lark
Those of you guys doing 25s and up, are you going to buy and use a surging vit3 when it comes out or just buy more versatiles?
mortal brook
do remember its dmg only. haste is still respected more defensively
analog swift
yeah ofc
that's interesting
i thought haste = more tds
but i guess with how much haste i have
mortal brook
the issue youll run into at this point
analog swift
i'm probably hitting diminishing returns
mortal brook
is the gcd cap causing haste to have a massive dropoff
cosmic coral
dungoen slice? or patchwerk to sim tanks? im gonna assume dungeon?
mortal brook
multiboss patchwerk, low duration, no lust for m+ is generally best
mortal brook
100%
mortal brook
but you can def dip above that at this point
analog swift
but yeah i hit 150% regularly in dungeons
cosmic coral
how many is multiboss , 2-3 5 10? and whats "low duration" 1 min? 3 min?
mortal brook
between vita, MS, lust, sphere, all the haste shit
analog swift
yeah and expedient 3
mortal brook
60 or 90s yeah. generally enough to give your trinkets just 1 use
number of boss is what you ballpark is your avg pull size
more for freehold, less for workshop etc
I stick with 4~5 usually
though tbh i still favor haste for TDs for m+, given overkill exists i figure it can balance a bit better
cosmic coral
i gave up and bought a 475 shield, now its time to start pushing keys
mortal brook
now imagine the shield in your tues cache
cosmic coral
question, can i get a bop b4 running into the hallway of pig boss wcm to pull everything in there, or would it be better to sac/healer external it?
mortal brook
long as no healer agro happens during, could work for the gather
strong forum
Dummy caps at 255 stacks yes.
About pulling hallway.. Id just skystep.
Just make sure to not get the spits on you too early, gather the maggots, shockwave them and reflect all the spits
frank marsh
Tried the reflect thing yesterday. Worked very well.
1 hour of reading and writing here helped me a lot already.
cosmic coral
what reflect thing
frank marsh
Reflect the maggot spells. Didn't know that
But I have one question about the first pillar.
At the dratnos route is a notice that if the left door upstairs is not open, you need to cosplay or something like that. I don't know the exact wording. What does it mean? Yesterday the door was open. But what if right down is open? Should I pull the pillar all the way to triad? It's a long way I think
Please don't hit me 
mortal brook
lots of ppl will go all the way around to witches yes
even if the wrong corridor is open and you have to go the long way
amber siren
Cosplay 
mortal brook
you kite all the way
frank marsh
Ah ok
That's what I thought. The wording was strange. I thought maybe there is a way to open the other door
mortal brook
its not much extra time because you take pig boss obelisk down to the cellar
and if you went pig boss first, you'd have to go all the way around after witches anyways
frank marsh
Yeah. Worked out really well yesterday. We had a little bit to much %, but we timed it
mortal brook
should be what, 82% trash to go from obelisk to cellar
frank marsh
Yeah, the hunter pulled the whole corridor at raal, because he thought we had not enough. So we went down with 87 I think
Was a good practice
cosmic coral
how much % does each stack of bursting kill u for?
lofty helm
Guys
Goodmorning
I will do an offspec tank with my warrior
What are good stats to follow?
upper violet
lofty helm
Atm i have 31 haste 18 versa
mortal brook
yeah thatll work fine
upper violet
U dont need any specific % really
mortal brook
400% haste is the cap, 198% vers is the cap. dont go beyond those.
upper violet
Ah yes brb getting 399% haste
undone sun
irrelevant information
lofty helm
Lol
mortal brook
there are no obtainable caps or breakpoints you must gear towards, ilvl > haste is perfectly fine
lofty helm
Ok i have read the pinned now
If i will do the 15-16-17
What are the best essences? Also i havent any damage mitigations trinkets
upper violet
Dont rly need mitigation trinkets untill youre doing like 18s or higher probably
lofty helm
Only the haste/jes Nd some damage trinket
upper violet
Use vita and scale
lofty helm
K
upper violet
Also essences depend on what youre doing raid or m+
I think theres a thing about them in the wowhead guide
lofty helm
Its right to use vision of perfetion major then?
I have see all guides, but anyone have different advice
upper violet
Yeah vop is good
tropic cobalt
Any1 know where the hardmode chopper is at in EU this week?
upper violet
@lofty helm icy veins guide in the #268491842637660160 channel is good
tropic cobalt
Nice. Ty
upper violet
Mwahi keeps it up to date
spice mauve
hello guys!
upper violet
Hi
cosmic coral
How good is Brace for Impact, ik i want to take HoD over it but i dunno that extra block do be looking kinda sexy
when i use lucid dreams do i want to avatar then lucid or lucid then avatar ?
modern brook
That's an uncomfortable combo of questions
Bfi is fine
Lucid dreams is used to get 40s of avatar together, so you want to use it after your first clap in avatar
Tho tbh if ur asking if bfi is good enough to consider, maybe stick with vop until you're more comfortable with the spec
cosmic coral
im comfortable, ive been running 20s, i just wanted to know how good BfI is good for defens cuz i wanna see if i could do a fat pull with the extra blocks ill be getting
upper violet
Whats bfl
cosmic coral
brace for impact, every time u use shield slam it gives you X block
modern brook
Brace with a capital i
cosmic coral
and it can stack
upper violet
Ah
modern brook
Bfis not gunna make or break your fat pulls
Its better than some garb, probably loses to strong stat procs at this point
Its not hod, it's not ms,
Obvs not 3x bom either
cosmic coral
whats ms
modern brook
Ms?
cosmic coral
ye
modern brook
I would use it over if, yeah
still pagoda
whats ms
@cosmic coral Meticulous scheming
modern brook
.>
still pagoda
basically a big haste proc with main mechanic from bitband loop ring
cosmic coral
im aware >.>
modern brook
I hate you karton T.T
cosmic coral
what gear has MS on, i cant seem to find it
still pagoda
^.^
still pagoda
what gear has MS on, i cant seem to find it
Ashvane chest and Kraken shell shoulders
still pagoda
both are near-BiS pieces though
cosmic coral
damn, i would have to get rid of my HoD for it tho
modern brook
Assuming equal ilvl
cosmic coral
its tertiaries arent as good as overwhelming power tho
cosmic coral
ooh, ashvane chest, i thought you literally meant chest from lady ashvane from ep
I would need a helm with deafening crash
god this game is so mean
still pagoda
also Kraken Shell Pauldrons
I would need a helm with deafening crash
Easiest to get is HC N'Zoth helm
cosmic coral
so if i get sea bralwers helm or helm of abysal malenvonce and i get ashvane chest then ill have 1 MS 1 HoD and 1 DC
does that sound good?
the 3x bsation of might is assumed to be in there
still pagoda
also there're BoM+CwH items like Tank Buster Pauldrons and Mechanized Plate Chasse
you always need 3xBoM and 1xDC
cosmic coral
ive got tank buster shoulders, but that would remove a HoD
still pagoda
and good filler traits are HoD, MS and CwH(all 3 are equal)
out of generic ones
you're overestimating HoD
CwH and MS are on par with it
cosmic coral
hmm, maybe i can get nzoth helm, and then tank buster cauldrons
still pagoda
even BfI is
cosmic coral
o ive already got nzoth helm, would 3x BoM 1x DC 2x CWH(2 480s, 1 475) > 3x BoM 1x DC 1x HoD 1x IF (all 480s)
if BFI is equal to HoD , then would elemental whirl be better than overwhelming power?
sweet summit
OP=UF>anything else on that row
cosmic coral
what if OP and UF are on the same row
sweet summit
/roll 2
cosmic coral
ah okay ty
ancient shoal
Does TD1 and TD3 prock independently from one another?
Should I use them at the same time?
sweet summit
no, it combines to increase the damage
sick sentinel
Is there a DR on the TD dmg? Guildie told me there is but can't find it anywhere
as in if u go 2xtd2 is it 24% dmg?
ancient shoal
So its 6%+18% each time it procks?
sweet summit
correct
still pagoda
if you do 2xTD2 it gives you 24%
ancient shoal
Cool
still pagoda
each lvl of TD is basically +6% to equation
and it just adds up
TD5 is just 30%
ideally, you better do
sick sentinel
Im running TD5 now but was told by a guildie/mate of mine that its not actually 30% since there's a fall off. But googled and searched but found nothing regarding it and since it was already brought up i'd thought it'd be easier to just ask. Sorry im lazy xD
still pagoda
your guildie is retarded misinformed then
sick sentinel
Hence why i asked the ppl who knows 😉
ripe shale
It does fall off to 15% after 5 targets but it has nothing to do with the rank
mortal brook
dont scare me linking stuff like that D:
upper violet
Isnt this old
mortal brook
yeh
still pagoda
this nerf is old by now
slate pond
yeah obviously but thats still how it works no?
still pagoda
doesn't really impact the effectiveness of TD
mortal brook
yeh thats still how it works
still pagoda
since it's still the best corruption for tanks
upper violet
Mr 26 keys
exotic spoke
I mean - Kyothi isn’t wrong
elfin siren
Hi, does wowanalyzer assume you need to use TC in transition phases or something? says I only use 50%, possible cause I am a bad but... just curious
sick sentinel
Farming 11,5k echoes in 3 days, is that even possible? 😛
mortal brook
@elfin siren fight mechanics like natural downtime on the fight will skew the information yes
you can math it out tho. look at something that should have full uptime when you're attacking, like CnS minor, and multiply by that percent to get a better idea
unborn ore
How much dps overall should I be doing in a +15 as tank? I haven’t tanked in years...
mortal brook
if you're clappin and TDing, lots. depends on the dungeon/affixes still
might pull 80k in a freehold then 40k in the workshop right after man
unborn ore
True. Pulled 30 yesterday in my fury gear ha. Gotta get me td but I just spend all my echoes.
lofty helm
Guys i nerd an advice, there are two build with prot? One haste and one versa build?
I see so many warriors enchant all versa and all haste
sweet summit
vers is the way for big keys generally
lofty helm
I have rly good gear but dont know if i can take out all versa to build more haste
Ah
Ol
Ok
So if i tank the 16-17 i need to go all haste?
15
sweet summit
you could go vers, but id just go haste
sick sentinel
@unborn ore I just started playing again and im just starting to go 15's with premade grp and my avg is around 40-45k overall in a dungeon
unborn ore
Gotcha. Yeah, I need to go more haste as well and not Vers. Also need to Change essences
sick sentinel
I have about the same avg dps now when im maxing haste/stats and go r5 TD as when i went vers/haste and did td3 and expedient 3
and on my stat weights vers has almost identical value to haste currently
unborn ore
My major problem is that I have no td
sick sentinel
Yeah i've been really lucky with td's. do u have a premade grp to run with or are u pugging and whats ur ilvl?
upper violet
The vendor is up but its 15k for r3 so gl mate
unborn ore
Yeah but out tank is taking a break so I decided to fill in
I’m 474 in prot and 477 as fury
sick sentinel
And maybe someone here can answer a question for me, how much is corruption worth in terms of ilvl? I have TD3 on my bracers but they are 450 ilvl, have 475 vers/haste bracers but no corruption on. Trying to farm enough echoes for td on those. But should i swap already?
unborn ore
Yeah ain’t happening. Only got 1500 echoes left ha
lofty helm
Ok guys im so confused, if i woll do the 15-16-17 i need to go full versa or full haste?
The difference is for haste is a dps build?
lofty helm
If i go full versa i stop at 20-23%so its low
Ok understand
And for essences? What u advice me to play?
See some different build too
loud shoal
In the pins there’s good write ups on essences
lofty helm
Ok now i have understand
Thanks
But what do u means for an haste build? If i stack more haste i can do, there is a minimum versatility to take?
Or if i stack haste dont matter?
lofty widget
there is no minimum versatility, haste is the best stat both offensively and defensively for keys below 23-24
lofty helm
Ok lets try this war machine
My guildmate change to monk for the high damage taken but i think it can be build better
burnt iron
Can't decide if its worth me spending 15k echos on TD3 for a 20ilvl upgrade, i have 445 boots with td3 but i could upgrade to 465 boots and put the td3 on something else
upper violet
if u can spare the echos because u dont plan to buy something else seems worth to me
as long as you dont replace the item you put the TD3 on
still pagoda
i was literally declined by 6/12M guild for not being "the tank spec our RL needs"
fucking metaslave mentality
upper violet
huh
sweet summit
lmfao yikes
mortal brook
not-a-monk-itis ew
sweet summit
melts
still pagoda
just asked this to their RL directly. The officer i was talking with yesterday night redirected me to him after telling that he seeks for BrM, BDK or pala
waiting for reply now
i'm really fucking frustrated right now
upper violet
yeah i mean if a guild doesnt have CE by now the meta doesnt really matter right
still pagoda
it matters only for WF
sweet summit
even if they did, it still doesnt lol
still pagoda
^
upper violet
also with the corruption vendor it became much easier
still pagoda
like
still pagoda
prot warr is one of the tankiest phys damage specs
upper violet
gl
still pagoda
yes, struggling with magic damage, but only just a bit
since you can cycle through your CD's while using them proactively with relative ease
sweet summit
there is not a lot of magic damage
upper violet
yeah SR and cycling between LS and SW seems like its enough to me but idk i only tanked hc
sweet summit
pwarr is more than capable of tanking all 12 bosses on mythic
limpid pawn
Speaking from experience here, I’m in a CE guild, I have both prot war and brew and tanked everything on both I would say it probably comes down to the guild leaders being a bit too cautious and or having bad experiences with unskilled prot warrior tanks
still pagoda
pwarr is more than capable of tanking all 12 bosses on mythic
@sweet summit
Mwahi and Sense showed it long ago
Speaking from experience here, I’m in a CE guild, I have both prot war and brew and tanked everything on both I would say it probably comes down to the guild leaders being a bit too cautious and or having bad experiences with unskilled prot warrior tanks
@limpid pawn
applying experience with certain dumbass to all prot warr players
hmmm....
limpid pawn
Prot war definitely can tank everything but it requires much more skill and timing and knowledge
main vault
Even if it isn’t needed, I can understand the want to make it easier
limpid pawn
Like fuck ups on the brewmaster are so forgiving
But on the prot war it is not
Example, on vexiona and ilginoth
still pagoda
and that is why i main prot. It gives you a much more engaging gameplay that requires actual understanding
limpid pawn
No shield reflect up at the exact right time, dead
But on brew it’s like.... just keep ironskin brew up which is a given and you can’t die really
burnt iron
yeah i found it funny when a guy in my guild who plays brewmaster alt was taking the piss out of warriors being easy and just spamming thunderclap 😄 was just like ok bud.. you play a monk
limpid pawn
The skill comes down to purifying exactly at the right time to be efficient
But fucking that up doesn’t kill you
My prot war requires less healing on all of the fights compared to my brew
Because of proper cool down and mitigation use
Lol towelz, they are ultra dumb if they think brew is harder than prot especially raid wise
still pagoda
i'm still frustrated as fuck right now
main vault
Healing required isnt a good metric though
still pagoda
those guys are only 6/12M
FFS
metaslave RL is the worst thing that can happen to any guild
limpid pawn
Let’s be real, a 6/12 guild is probably being held back by idiots who can’t stay out of bad more than if they don’t have a meta tank lol
limpid pawn
Also obviously timing, some guilds didn’t get a good enough roster until late
jade raptor
Sup boys. Purging TD2 to replace with TD3 worth? (My warr is alt and way behind on resistance, only 53) Item to cleanse are these 455 wrists and could be swapped to the 475 (purified)
steep bone
you don't need meta roster to kill bosses this late tho
limpid pawn
Definitely not
mortal brook
id just put td3 on another piece, wear another piece in the td2 slot until you have enough resist
limpid pawn
On some fights, I’d say that prot war is actually better
Like carapace
You can solo tank fury phase 1
steep bone
I've been in tryharding guild that raided 6 days a week, and we still didn't get famed, on ally side... xD he even gone for things like top guilds did with stacking certain class. It all comes to players, if they're bad no matter what they play they'll be bad
limpid pawn
You know, I think raider IO may be a decent indication of how someone may perform in a raid lol
main vault
6 days and no HoF
jade raptor
@mortal brook good point, didn't even think about that lol
orchid frigate
if i want to boost someone in visions, can they just go in and die and i do the full clear and they still get loot?
orchid frigate
ah sweet
main vault
Only to get the cloak items
steep bone
oh
main vault
You still get the mementos
orchid frigate
so for the 470 piece and core last boss is enough?
main vault
yes
upper violet
i dont think so
orchid frigate
thanks!
upper violet
if u dont tag the boss u cant open his box at the end
upper violet
i meant mementos from side areas :P
main vault
You dont get the ones from the chest
But the chest is like fuck all mementos
You get all the ones from the pool, and the big chest
upper violet
idk doesnt it increase with masks
main vault
So you get all the ones from teh smaller chests and etc
upper violet
i dont even look how much it gives tbh
main vault
its about half the total mementos ish
youll only get the ones gained from killing things and opening chests, but not the end chest
slate pond
youd lose 2/3 of the echoes too
main vault
yeah
still pagoda
their recruitment officer seems really interested at the same time
while this RL...
main vault
Man fuck it lol
steep bone
they're only 6/12, there are tons of guilds like that
sweet summit
6/12 is progging ra-den?
main vault
6/12 is a shit guild, thats all I know
limpid pawn
Ra den prog was hard as fuck lol
sweet summit
eks dee
steep bone
we were at vexiona with 612
limpid pawn
Such and unforgiving fight
sweet summit
we didnt even have 612 pulls acrossall bosses what the fuck
limpid pawn
It took us like 130+ pulls on raden because we had some seriously questionable raiders
mortal brook
vita hard
sweet summit
yep
limpid pawn
Guys that would lay on hands themselves as soon as they got the Debuff that kills you at full HP
Like 4 pulls in a row
Not soaking on their turn more than 5 times
Going to wrong marker like 10+ times across all pulls etc
steep bone
how did they get to m guild
limpid pawn
Same way most people do, get carried through easier fights
steep bone
coughs football, gawd we spent so much time there because its too hard to stay on marker and face towards another one
limpid pawn
They held us back on hive mind as well, so many extra pulls because they die to rolly polly
main vault
Just run 20 tanks, dont even need a raid
limpid pawn
Lol
main vault
20 Bear group just cleared to Vex yesterday
mortal brook
i hear they bearly cleared it
steep bone
kill is kill tho
mortal brook
it was a grizzly pull for sure
mortal brook
they had to claw their way to the kill
main vault
could have at least said claw
mortal brook
fortunately they all had a can do attitude and a pawsitive outlook
and delivered a sound thrashing to the bosses
steep bone
how did they bear that damage without healers
mortal brook
SORRY NEXII I MANGLED THE PUN
sweet summit
👉 🚪
mortal brook
fine im leaving D:
undone sun
👋
icy harness
undone sun
You right
still pagoda
@steep bone @sweet summit Continuing the topic of this guild recruitment situation. Despite not getting reply from their RL, i was able to convince their officer i talked to initially
so i may finally get a tank spot for now
sweet summit
poggers
still pagoda
but their RL's idiotic stance already made me question whether i will stay with them for SL
Probably not
sand egret
@mortal brook proud of you for that
still pagoda
"He wants monk, pala or BDK cause he thinks they will be good in SL"
lul
fuck off
numbers will tell
and they will do so only on release
mortal brook
Shopping for slands means already given up on bfa pog
still pagoda
and even then it's not an thing to consider for a guild not aiming for WF/HoF
Shopping for slands means already given up on bfa pog
@mortal brook
Seems like its their RL in particular who is a dork who gave up
since the officer i talked with was really positive about continuing prog right now
mortal brook
That rl is a hecking hecker tbh
main vault
I wouldnt even wasate my time
still pagoda
this is my only chance to get any progress as a tank for now. No other guild wants tanks at the moment
latent wing
been reading a lot about block values etc. but is the DR from block included in DR from armor? I now have 76% DR from armor. and i know u cant block more than 85%
warm plinth
Block and armor are different things
warm plinth
Grats
main vault
Its calculated the same, but different values
Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + K)
Is Block
Armor is the same, but Armor
limpid pawn
What does all 18s in time give in terms of score?
still pagoda
What does all 18s in time give in terms of score?
@limpid pawn
216*12
it's basically 2592
limpid pawn
Ok cool
upper violet
i got 470 td1 haste mastery boots
sharp rover
Is it worthwhile to buy surging vitality 2 from the vendor?
upper violet
do i run td5 wiht exactly 59
main vault
76% dmg red from armor seems high though?
sweet summit
yes
warm plinth
That's in world content @main vault
sharp rover
I feel like if I'm going to put a 20 corruption vers corruption onto my gear I'm better off waiting for versatile to come back around
latent wing
well that reduction is for a lvl 120 enemy
main vault
Oh thats nothing then
still pagoda
@mortal brook know what. Just checked this RL of theirs. He's a reroll from DPS after their raiding team split off from the other guild(literally on last Saturday).
And he runs anima major as a BrM
pure trash basically
warm plinth
If it works like the block tooltip, it would update if you were in a Mythic dungeon and targeted something there
mortal brook
Confirms the feelcraft
latent wing
oh now I see! thank u xD
still pagoda
while the only 2 competitive major choices are CoF and CnS(for higher keys)
sick sentinel
hang on
sick sentinel
is it possible to do AD without doing any of this rogue/mage pull away skip vanish stuff? it's too much 200 iq big brain for me
still pagoda
well. Gonna do typical "scam" shit and get progress, logs and leave for better guild in month or two. Since if this is an MT here, i don't know wtf is going on with other people
warm plinth
You can. But it means killing packs that you really don't want to have to kill
sick sentinel
i know there is 2 spots dratnos uses middle and before/after 2nd boss
mortal brook
Idk man sounds like stress
upper violet
ive been on dummy for like 2 mins to see how large the eye is when it procs, it didnt so far... same logic applies to m+
still pagoda
he also doesn't have 3xToN
@main vault the only people that didn't leave with them were tanks
as far as i know
mortal brook
Stressy
mortal brook
placing bets on whether this guy was shit to his tanks and then went tanking so easy I can do it and now he's doing it wrong but he's playing the right class to play it wrong with
still pagoda
either i'm gonna push him out of the tank spot(which is gonna be really easy since i already see that i know much more even about BrM. Not even talking about tanking in general), or just get prog, logs and go on to a better guild a bit later
main vault
@mortal brook bet he wasnt RL before
Sol he is applying that logic to the whole guild
mortal brook
What a go getter
main vault
like, there is 0 chance tanks were the only problem before
So he basically brought all the problems with him if they only left the tanks
still pagoda
according to their officer, they did split over social issues
not raiding
smh
...
main vault
So drama
sweet summit
nice
main vault
you just joined a cesspool guild
warm plinth
Yikes
still pagoda
i didn't yet
mortal brook
RL being a shitter def has me leaning that the drama wasnt the tanks but im an elitist artisanal tank snob
broken cedar
looking to faction change my prot war, but does anyone know when you faction change do you lose your current quest progression e.g. Lucid rank 3 etc
main vault
Can tell you exactly how the split happened
This dude thought he was god and could do everything better, he bashed and shit talked current leadership to get people on his side, then left
and probably parses blue
And blames corruption
warm plinth
@broken cedar The progress will remain the same for Lucid
broken cedar
ty
mortal brook
Blue is a lot of credit
still pagoda
so. Long story short. I joined the guild they did split off 1 night after this happened(Crusade Unite on Kazzak-EU). Did leave it shortly after since it is dead despite efforts of their former RL and him(Purgé) saying that it was his mistake on Sunday after this drama happened.
This new "RL" of theirs, called Boki(https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Boki. Leaving rio of his just for lulz), was picked up only recently before the drama and switched to tank after it. I don't know how they can call him "tank officer", but will find out right after i will look up more information and stuff.
I don't think i will be able to find any other guild with tank spot soon, but this will work out as a placeholder. Gonna be the biggest "log/guild scammer" they have ever witnessed or just replace this dogshit guy as a tank.
But him being so hesitant to take prot warr while being trash himself shows a lot already
@mortal brook @main vault
and, gladly, i didn't join yet and my "application" is still hanging in the air
mortal brook
Idk man, keep shopping for a bit
main vault
He is full of shit
sweet summit
give up on that guild and try to find a new one tbh
mortal brook
Youre using recruitment discord?
main vault
Noone is going to care about the gear/logs from 4 bosses
still pagoda
wowprogress and wow forums
sick sentinel
well
still pagoda
probably a shitty place to look at
still pagoda
^
mortal brook
Tbh my current cotank had no bfa raid xp but 4k io and i couldn't be happier to have her
still pagoda
i'm just continuing to shop
mortal brook
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
Tough time in the expac to find a guild tbh
undone sun
As a tank it's always difficult
still pagoda
Tough time in the expac to find a guild tbh
@sick sentinel
I've been looking for a week by now
sick sentinel
At the beginning of every tier.. say you have brm ready to go, bait them and play something else all tier
main vault
raid tanking is shit anyways
warm plinth
Hawgz come enable 3 masks for me so I can try to be a big boi
still pagoda
At the beginning of every tier.. say you have brm ready to go, bait them and play something else all tier
@sick sentinel
My BrM is unironically better geared than this "tank officer" of theirs
itemization-wise ofc
loud shoal
I mean to each their own, but I main tanked for ABT.. never again too boring for me
sick sentinel
I think I can do that ghash. I need to do a 5 mask this week
warm plinth
I don't need help with it; just don't have the right 3 masks to activate 😂
sick sentinel
Same on my dh lmao
warm plinth
I don't want my first 3 mask attempt to be long night, daredevil, and burned bridge o_o
sick sentinel
doing 4, and i can assume, 5 masks with 1 dps 1 healer 1 tank, makes the whole thing pretty trivial
But fr raid tanking sucks I raid tank to hang with 20 cool peeps twice a week
warm plinth
I have done like 2 visions with other people. Not my cup of tea
Well, not counting the like
3 dozen carries I've done
loud shoal
5 mask solo as fury is a complete joke..highly recommend
warm plinth
I'm definitely a solo vision player. But I can't get the easier masks until next week so I have to have other people put them on for me 😅
warm plinth
Better than mine
sick sentinel
other one is probably 430
still pagoda
upper violet
wait but 5 mask on prot is ez too
sick sentinel
the game may be easy, but he problem is i'm not very bright
upper violet
it is what it is
main vault
Its not as easy as Fury
upper violet
issue with fury is that the gear is wildly different from prot so i offspec arms
and that might be worse than prot for visions
idk
main vault
Id be willing to bet unoptimized fury is better than prot for vision
Your stats dont matter that much
sick sentinel
Prot v ez run Td6 one shot bosses
sweet summit
BFA fury best fury dont @ me 
main vault
I found it fun
upper violet
i guess i dont like fury at all cuz i mostly play arms any xpac
warm plinth
I enjoy fury, just cba gearing 2 specs lol
still pagoda
expressed a note of protest in their officer's DM's about this unpleasantness of trash elitist. Gonna continue poking them with that just for lulz now since it makes me laugh
and continue shopping for a better guild
sharp rover
Is it still correct to prioritize ilvl over secondary stats if you're running a heavy vers build?
warm plinth
What's gonna be really fun is when someone from that guild is in here and sees you talking about the guild like this heh.
main vault
Fuck um
still pagoda
unironically, fuck them
i don't know, but this may be the last message i write to that officer
won't remove him from bnet for now though 
sick sentinel
Tbh no tank that is 4/12 is good
You know how I know
Cause 12/12 tanks aren’t good
still pagoda
i'm 3/12 for now
sick sentinel
You know how I know THAT
still pagoda
because i'm still looking for guild
nova flame
lol
still pagoda
strong forum
there is no good tanks, agreed
still pagoda
agreed
sick sentinel
We are an unfortunate necessity. Like a colonoscopy
warm plinth
Hawgz am I still allowed to tank scuff alt runs if I have 475 wep/shield?
sick sentinel
No better juice up another
warm plinth
Well this week I'm running on my rogue
sick sentinel
Excellent
warm plinth
And you guys will see what truly scuffed DPS looks like
sick sentinel
I don’t know last week might be difficult to top
warm plinth
Or I can bust out this bad boy
sick sentinel
Honestly I am for that
warm plinth
Level 58 neck btw
sick sentinel
If I can tank on a 440 brm with 63 neck surely we can get through it with 400 ilvl dps
still pagoda
sick sentinel
OOOOOOF
warm plinth
Hey not only were you 440 BrM but you had a god awful healer too
And we still did it
sick sentinel
Yeah it was a really wild combo
still pagoda
OOOOOOOOOOOOOF
sweet summit
still pagoda
sick sentinel
still pagoda
total scuff
warm plinth
Does anyone else stream our keys or just me?
sick sentinel
Ilvl is just a number
upper violet
true
sick sentinel
I will start streaming then ghash
upper violet
cojo is a big boi
warm plinth
I will anyway but would be cool if we had vods from each perspective I think XD
sick sentinel
Me pushing wrong buttons at all times
still pagoda
warm plinth
I’m going to start titling the stream Skyhold Scuffs Keys
warm plinth
Sure to attract many viewers right? It’s genius
sick sentinel
My MW healing may be the death of us
latent wing
it would be amazing
warm plinth
Lolol
sick sentinel
I have not healed since early wod
warm plinth
You can see the last two on my twitch vods
sick sentinel
Throw em in here ghash it’s free advertising
still pagoda
I have never healed
warm plinth
Gonna try to get more people to stream them so we can have different perspectives
Would be cool if not sad
main vault
Alt key or?
sick sentinel
Alt is an over statement
warm plinth
Yeah we bring our most scuffed alts and try to do a 15
Most of the alts we don’t even really know how to play
sick sentinel
I think the threshold for a tank is 440ish
I am not sure we can go lower than that
Lmao
warm plinth
Yeah maybe not lol
strong forum
it is time for 'tism keys
sick sentinel
Well I prob would’ve been fine if I had cloak/ essences
warm plinth
You’re healing on Friday Hawgz?
sick sentinel
Yes🧠
warm plinth
I’m so dead
sick sentinel
Time to go troll peak of serenity to ask how to play that class
warm plinth
Gonna have trigger finger on vanish
warm plinth
I love movespeed pots. So handy
warm plinth
I have like 40 of those from comp stomp boxes XD
still pagoda
a lot of guilds progging here, but nearly no seek for a tank
and those that do are looking for DK(You know... Grip bitch for one tier to scam and kick after prog)
sick sentinel
Play dps
still pagoda
my arms gear is pretty-pretty scuffed you know...
odd fiber
Hey this is a question for anyone that is well versed in understanding stat calculations. So I have two legs a IL 470, 137 Vers/193 Mastery with R2 TD, and an IL 465, 170 Haste/156 Vers no corruption. With the First legs I have 29% haste (1945 to be exact), but when i put on the second pair (the ones with haste on them), my haste will temporarily go up to 31% (2114) and then go back down to 29% (1945). Anyone know why this interaction is happening? With my testing as well I put on a pair of non corruption 465, 179 vers/147 Mastery legs to see if it was the corruption possibly. I tested it and with those legs on I start at 26% (1775) and then go up to 29%(1945) when i put on the haste/vers legs.
odd fiber
I have into the fray completely out of the situation im not near anyone