damn, 3 prot pally must be a nice meme to play tho
#protection
cosmic coral
strong forum
temple is comfy
loud shoal
did a 24 yesterday and tried a 25 which was def timable except shinanigans
chilly brook
Why stop at 3 prot pallys
Just go with a 5 man prot pally key group
Nothing gets cast
Ez
loud shoal
little safeguard action in kr
sweet summit
SG is OP
still pagoda
also
cosmic coral
i wonder if anyone anwered the leech question i asked at like 5am
loud shoal
large
sweet summit
Leech 
chilly brook
Blizz can actually go stuff it
cosmic coral
chilly brook
No SL stream on the 9th
sweet summit
Oh ):
cosmic coral
shadowlands
sweet summit
Unluck
chilly brook
Because for some reason the news isn't broadcasting this shit loud enough now blizz gotta blast it too
strong forum
i need to cancel my vacay, fuck me why delay the stream
bitter cape
Trying to make a switch from Guardian druid to prot warrior not really doing high keys but i've been tanking 18-20s on the bear. Warriors quite a bit behind all around gear wise/stat wise/cloaks quite a bit behind
chilly brook
@strong forum "some voices are more important and need to be heard"
bitter cape
But man, this shit feels so much more complex lol
strong forum
well it is more complex than bear
bitter cape
Like, I've got barely any sort of self healing when looking at that amount of healing i'm doing I assume thats partially bad usage or not enough usage of ignore pain?
trail dome
@still pagoda could be worse.
strong forum
you dont heal as warrior
loud shoal
π
cosmic coral
well, if you have bad gear then its prolly that, p sure you need 3x bastion of might for ignore pain to be decent, i could be wrong there tho
chilly brook
RIP screenshot got messed up
strong forum
IP is a rage dump and dmg smoother, you need to use everything beforehand, if you already took dmg you cant do anything about it
you just need a different approach to tanking stuff than a self healing tank that takes more dmg
bitter cape
So I just need to put the reps in on the warrior π
strong forum
ehrps of a warrior is lower than other tanks, but it doesnt show on hps meter
alot of people seem to think a tank has to selfheal
bitter cape
Yeah, i think the lack of self heals is what i'm struggling with in general
sweet summit
Embrace it
cosmic coral
just mitigate all the dmg and you wont have to heal
still pagoda
^
bitter cape
So when you if you run out of sbs/cds its time to just kite as a warrior?
cosmic coral
last stand when you run out shield blocks
get more haste, thats a gear thing p sure, i dont think ive ever run out of shieldblocks/last stands
loud shoal
really just make sure you have block up all the time, remember with bolster last stand provides shield block, and yea when you have a gap you can ask for an external or kite
chilly brook
When you run out of CDs you have block again
Also I wouldn't shield block when you have shield wall rolling tbh
cosmic coral
yea pretty sure you have like more than a min of cds b4 you have to start kiting
loud shoal
shield wall sometimes isn't enough on it's own depending on what you're tanking
chilly brook
Cuz shield wall is essentially a baseline block reduction anyways
sweet summit
sometimes i do griff
cosmic coral
and when u do kite, itll be like 2 seconds b4 u have hsield block up again
chilly brook
There are exceptions yes @sweet summit @loud shoal
bitter cape
Okay - sounds like its just a bit more planning than I'm used to doing as a bear
sweet summit
Kinda?
cosmic coral
is shield wall really a baseline block reduction? Ive been having trouble finding a spot to put it in keys since I really dont take any dmg
chilly brook
Shield wall is 40% DR
sweet summit
Also, avatar if you have 3x BoM is an insane defensive AND offensive cooldown
So dont sit on it for too long
chilly brook
Regular blocks float around that much of a DR
Depending on K value and your shield that is
bitter cape
I think another issue i've had is being scared to use my cooldowns forgetting they come up more frequently because of anger management
cosmic coral
K value?
loud shoal
when you have avatar/demo shout and shield block up you're basically invincible
sweet summit
Demo shout and avatar should be used on CD unless the pack is dead already
warm plinth
475 shield is like...43?% damage reduction iirc in M+ or 45
sweet summit
And then you have crit blocks
warm plinth
Assuming no IF or BfI ofc
chilly brook
K value is behind the scenes tuning to keep block and other tank mechanics from scaling out of control @cosmic coral
cosmic coral
i just started tanking 2 weeks ago and only have a 460 shield π¦
loud shoal
yea what rosjen said, Ideally you want avatar up at the start of a pull, so if one is close to dying and avatar comes up i'd hold it for next pull
sweet summit
Man, crit block is bonkers
chilly brook
Its how we've essentially stayed the same in terms of block DR even though our block value has skyrocketed since beginning of expansion
chilly brook
If it didn't exist we'd actually be broken
warm plinth
If you run out of mitigation, you face tank anyway and die on the field with some honor
cosmic coral
they should remove k value or w/e so i can finally live my true warrior fantasy
bitter cape
lol
warm plinth
Or Griff
chilly brook
Nah K value has actually been a really good thing
sweet summit
What %DR is armor cap?
cosmic coral
warriors should be immune to damage
strong forum
its a hidden value to balance out dmg intake
modern brook
Why?
warm plinth
85% is the armor DR cap
cosmic coral
make any extra dmg reduction turn into magic reduction
warm plinth
It's also the blocking reduction cap
modern brook
Were not a baby spec like brewmaster
chilly brook
It's been one of the things that has kept all tanks so close tbh
sweet summit
Yeah, cheers
cosmic coral
this is my first time hearing of k value, sounds kinda dumb honestly, i understand it, but how can i determine how big of an upgrade something is if itll just get reduced and not be of a benefit at a certain point
strong forum
K value has been around forever
warm plinth
If you search k value on wowhead, there's an article about it
It's not a new thing at all
strong forum
for several expansions
warm plinth
The important thing is that if you get a higher ilevel shield, you equip it
cosmic coral
all ive ever done is healed and dps'd, i dont enjoy tanking all that mcuh
strong forum
if not for all of wow even
warm plinth
There's no reason to think much into it
strong forum
ye its not smth you actually concentrate on
loud shoal
I'd rather dps in keys, but no one wants a warrior sadFace
warm plinth
It doesn't change how you play or anything like that
sweet summit
Mood, luigi
strong forum
dpsing in keys is 1000x more comfy
cosmic coral
@loud shoal literally why i started tanking
sweet summit
Same
loud shoal
arms pumps the dmg too
warm plinth
Like me π
cosmic coral
^^
strong forum
thats the only reason why people play tank, cuz others do it worse
warm plinth
Nome did you watch the scuffed Skyhold key? I need critique π
cosmic coral
I just started tanking and i dont understand how the warrior im healing on my pally takes so much dmg
strong forum
na i didnt
loud shoal
I have all 3 specs above 4k now which is kinda cool
strong forum
but i can
cosmic coral
and we do similar key levels, makes me REEEE
strong forum
link me
warm plinth
sweet summit
@warm plinth you played perfectly but your group inted :)))))
strong forum
not even 700k hp monkaS
cosmic coral
you guys are too entertaining i need to focus on my assignments
warm plinth
I'm on a work call
cosmic coral
Would you guys replace a 450 haste mastery TD1 with a 470 haste vers versatile 3?
warm plinth
My damage is utter garbage
loud shoal
is that bounding stride I see?
warm plinth
strong forum
i play bounding often aswell, people overvalue CT
sweet summit
i exclusively play sg lol
warm plinth
I've never really had a situation where I was like man I wish my TC was bigger
But yeah I do run Safeguard sometimes
strong forum
only when playing CnS Major it can make a difference
warm plinth
Yeah, makes sense
loud shoal
I think CT is quite useful when you're gathering
cosmic coral
12 yds is massiver
chilly brook
CT is ok but like
strong forum
12 yards is smaller than aggro range
chilly brook
Most of the time you REALLY dont need the range
cosmic coral
I wanna run SG
strong forum
its only a QoL thing mostly
limpid pawn
In terms of min maxing
chilly brook
BS imo is universally more useful
sweet summit
most of the time you dont need BS or SG either tbf
cosmic coral
but then that would make my healer notice im running it and i will have to do xtra stuff
limpid pawn
I think if youβre not jumping on cool down
strong forum
but in actual combat it doesnt do anything outside of cns major kiting TD beach
strong forum
ever since Cata, when heroic leap got the movement speed buff on landing im addicted to it
chilly brook
Increased mobility is almost always more useful
warm plinth
Yeah I love bounding stride and I miss it when I don't run it
chilly brook
It's kinda like why Venthyr is gonna be insane
sweet summit
only place id like to take BS is underrot, but i need SG for underrot so i cant take it 
cosmic coral
was TD1/TD2 available on rotation already?
sweet summit
TD2 ye
strong forum
TD2
chilly brook
TD 2 was last week
cosmic coral
how much will TD1 cost?
chilly brook
I assume 5k
strong forum
UR is coincidentally a dungeon where i want CT cuz of cns major for the blood swarmers
chilly brook
Since TD2 was 10k and TD3 is going to be 15k
sweet summit
hibernate
cosmic coral
prolly a bit more than 5k since its 25 and rank 3s are 20 for 5k
chilly brook
Doubt
cosmic coral
unless im wrong there
strong forum
TD3 is 15k
chilly brook
TD2 was 10k
strong forum
TD1 will be 5k
cosmic coral
Ill buy one and put it on some 475 hands, since i got some ghetto 450s
strong forum
youre kinda doing baby pulls my guy ngl
warm plinth
I have tanked like
3 dungeons
this expansion
So I didn't know what I could handle
strong forum
have i taught you nothing
warm plinth
Especially with scuffed alts (which weren't actually as bad as I was led to believe)
chilly brook
Idk dude my healing was scuuuuuuffffeeeddd
strong forum
sweet summit
hallo
strong forum
warlock
balmy nova
Took me a while to figure i can out range indigestion without Leap
warm plinth
Btw don't judge me too harshly on the last boss. I'm not even used to doing that fight with the slime even as a DPS so I was full-on improvising lol
chilly brook
Aight bet panda enhance shaman it is
strong forum
that boss can be alot if youre not used to it
even my arrogant as shit fire mage said that when he tanked on his bad dk
rapid drift
heart of darkness or clockwork heart?
sick sentinel
Id prob go cwh
warm plinth
Same
strong forum
cwh for dps
hod for if youre stacking vers% in high keys
thats also some s1 routing you guys are doing
ngl
warm plinth
What other routing is there? Not like there's a lot of flexibility in UR lol
strong forum
well youre not doing any of the lashers after 1st boss
youre pulling the patrol and the extra worm after 2nd boss which is kinda meh
theres 1x 2pack of lashers and 1x 3pack of lashers after 1st boss which is pretty easy count, you do them with other stuff ontop
1 person takes care of 1 lasher by itself
sweet summit
ranged players are not human, confirmed
strong forum
they get too comfortable with not having to do alot of mechanics
sinful vortex
mages are not people
strong forum
im not extremely paying attention by i recall someone dying twice on that boss
sweet summit
tru derp
sweet summit
π€ π§
sick sentinel
Thatβs what you think
strong forum
:kekw:
sick sentinel
But my brain swelled enough when ghash got eliminated that it started oozing out of my ears
By the time we got to the third boss it was all gone
strong forum
big gamer
sweet summit
large lad
warm plinth
Wait am I crazy? I could have sworn I pulled the 3 lasher pack by Cragmaw?
still pagoda
still pagoda
i do this myself usually
strong forum
idk havent been paying insane attention
warm plinth
I only have a 445 shield too btw, so that's another reason for not going too crazy with my pulls
still pagoda
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphetide
Closer then ever to 2.5k now
cosmic coral
is a 475 shield way better than a 460?
cosmic coral
like how much mitigation am i missing out by not having a 475
still pagoda
61.47% of block mitigation with 475 shield
cosmic coral
jesus, this hurts me inside, my wars guild is bad and wont be able to kill ilgy for a while /cry
warm plinth
In M+ it'd be like
39ish probably for a 460
And 43-45 or something for a 475
For regular blocks ofc
cosmic coral
thats still really big π¦
warm plinth
Yeah shield is huge
cosmic coral
guess i have to pray to the rng lords to get me a 475 shield from chest cuz my wars guild is bad and i dont think we'll even get to ilgy
cosmic coral
dont they cost like 2 billion gold
upper violet
400k on my server
strong forum
i got mine for 800k like 4 months back
cosmic coral
how big of an upgrade would a 465 be compared to a 460
strong forum
3-5%
cosmic coral
in m+
cosmic coral
guess ill farm a 465 and just pray to rngesus that he gives me a shield in chest
I dont have gold to spend for a 475 shield
ima check how much a 475 shield is actually on my sever
cosmic coral
ive got one
warm plinth
You guys wanna hear a good meme?
strong forum
can give you upwards of 1k block value with 1 trait alone
still pagoda
BfI is really strong as a trait both offensively and defensively
cosmic coral
should i run 1 more iron fortres trait over HoD?
still pagoda
ST damage it gives is just nice
strong forum
defensively probably
warm plinth
My prot paladin had a 465 shield, 435 wep.
My war had 470 wep, 445 shield.
Two weeks ago my prot pally got a 475 shield.
Last week my war got a 475 wep.
cosmic coral
im thinking i only do that if im taking massive dmg in keys
strong forum
big gamger
warm plinth
Literally got them opposite of where I needed them lol
strong forum
hod is more of offensive trait, IF would be more defensive, especially if you dont have a 475 shield
so up to you
warm plinth
Yeah don't sleep on IF or BFI when your shield is low. They're huge
cosmic coral
oh shit, i actually got some shoulders with bastion of might and bfi
warm plinth
I got arterial protection chest this week
strong forum
rip
cosmic coral
so the traits ill run with that shoulder would be 3x Bastion, 1x DC, 1x BFI, 1x IF
loud shoal
Love me some hod
cosmic coral
when it says it stacks, does that mean it resets and stacks, or just stacks until it runs out, or do they stack separately
like each stack has its own timer
strong forum
its like multiple buffs
each their own timer ye
you can average 2-3 stacks at a time
cosmic coral
I cant , the shoulders i have are the ones with HoD , and i dont have any replacement helms
strong forum
ah well
cosmic coral
Ill keep that in mind while im on the lookout for better azerite pieces
would bloodsiphon> elemental whirl? or other way around?
strong forum
ele whirl for dps
cosmic coral
hpally is kinda in my system right now and whenever i see leech i want it so bad
hurts me taking anything over bloodsiphon
strong forum
ye but mastery is very meh
still pagoda
i cleansed 3 leech items on my monk this week
strong forum
LEECH
cosmic coral
leech corruption is /puke
only the stat is good
I wish i was that hpally in the discord with 40% leech π¦
warm plinth
Leech is not worth worrying about
Any large glaring mistakes (besides my inability to kite fast enough when there are two wicked frenzies)? @strong forum
cosmic coral
shields on my server are 600k
loud shoal
Yea I bought one a few weeks ago for 750
cosmic coral
if my 425k boe sells i can get some gold from my hpally and buy one
strong forum
you dont use SR often, neither did you wall in time in the beginning
missed a couple Demo casts
missed a couple globals where you didnt use avatar
next yacht
do you guys use the str gems or just haste/vers?
sick sentinel
haste
strong forum
secondary stats tend to scale better this late into the expac, but running a str gem isnt bad by any means
ye you often forget to cast demo for a couple seconds, you could intervene your mates a bit more, sometimes you press revenge over SS, sometimes press IP over SB and then cant use SB when you tried pressing it
@warm plinth
and you like never use your trinket
cosmic coral
should i spam IP if i see Demo shout is boutta come off
obv keeping in mind to have neough rage for shield block
strong forum
shouldnt focus on it
just make sure to not cap rage or press unnecessary IPs
if youre not taking dmg and youre not capping rage no point in pressing IP
warm plinth
Yeah I just got the trinket and I'm still trying to remind myself to use it lul
strong forum
the only thing i try to fish for with spamming rage is sometimes LS to fill gaps
warm plinth
I'll work on it
I honestly just want to get rid of it but I was using a 428 recal before
sick sentinel
Damn I donβt want none to see me play prot
strong forum
no point in using a trinket if your forget to use it π€·ββοΈ
thats why i dont like running vial
sick sentinel
Heβll be like THAT guy is bad bam him
loud shoal
Dps trinkets are easy just macro it in
sick sentinel
No
warm plinth
Can't macro vial
sweet summit
if you macro vial you're dead to me 
upper violet
im already dead
sick sentinel
Not running straight stat sticks lul
strong forum
i wish
sweet summit
what about my rampage tho
strong forum
bladestorm for prot when
sweet summit
ravager
sick sentinel
Was just about to type those same words
sweet summit
great minds think alike @sick sentinel
strong forum
fury π πͺ
strong forum
no
sweet summit
actually played fury for drest but still
loud shoal
I played both a lot mostly fury in m+ cuz my arms gear was poop, but now my arms gear is pretty good so my fury gameplay has been reduced to world quests and visions
sweet summit
finally off allstars
sick sentinel
Dumb fight
upper violet
this whole tier is pretty stupid
sweet summit
big fact
sick sentinel
Expansion ***
sweet summit
na bfa owns
strong forum
bod was a little too easy tbh
sick sentinel
Last season was a monstrosity
strong forum
like conclave and rastakhan were incredibly undertuned
and stormwall was just a retardcheck, same as mekka
sick sentinel
Hard to beat the retro check when every raid has 14 of em
sweet summit
excuse you?
sweet summit
sometimes we 3 or 2 heal fights so there is even more of us
sick sentinel
Lmao
sick sentinel
at least 14
sweet summit
what about 3 tank bosses?
strong forum
there were no 3tank bosses gladly
sweet summit
na i dont think so
strong forum
method did 3 tank mekka
for some reason they though they needed 2x bdk
to handle bots
sweet summit
actually, you could 3 tank conclave
sick sentinel
Oh yeah
strong forum
just bring a warrior
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
warri negated conclave
sweet summit
warr on paku the other two on the rest
strong forum
and being a dwarf
still pagoda
conclave
strong forum
being a dwarf warri made that fight completely irrelevant
still pagoda
i remember being decurse bitch on it
chilly brook
Just dont die 4head
still pagoda
all the time
chilly brook
Also I hate that I missed BFD
still pagoda
it was a really good raid IMO
sick sentinel
Still trying to get my mount
sweet summit
bdf?
strong forum
big fat d*
sweet summit
o
chilly brook
I was too tilted off my guild imploding in 8.0
sweet summit
@sick sentinel get rekt
sweet summit
i do not
sick sentinel
And in 8 kills I have not received it
sick sentinel
I grind it with guild during raid days now
strong forum
so if you really care, you just do those
sick sentinel
So Iβll get it
But the fact that Iβve killed it 8 times and have received 0 is tilting
sweet summit
i got nzoth mount yesterday 
sweet summit
but i gave it to our RL
sick sentinel
Where is my nzoth mount
sweet summit
because thats what heroes do
sweet summit
we are
still pagoda
trying to find DPS pugs for +20 WCM right now
sweet summit
fax
sweet summit
tame garden
sweet summit
go triad first, if the deplete happens its most likely there
still pagoda
you're right on point
sick sentinel
Cosplay as if top left is open
still pagoda
wipe on triad right away
Cosplay as if top left is open
@sick sentinel
I did
just as i usually do
sick sentinel
Good man
sick sentinel
+1
still pagoda
just had this +20 thrown
also the bottom right entrance procced in it
so it was even more of a clusterfuck right from the start
chilly brook
That's cuz you're a power bottom
still pagoda
pugs will get scared right away
sweet summit
the weak will die
still pagoda
i would really like to do this myself
sweet summit
the strong will prevail
still pagoda
but pugs...
sick sentinel
still pagoda
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphetide
Feels good having +19KR timed though
at least something good this week
upper violet
strong forum
getting there 
loud shoal
I had a nice wipe fest last week doing a 26KR weekly no leaver... love me some kr
still pagoda
teeming KR as it is
still pagoda
very-very enjoyable
tame garden
tropic jacinth
My rank 4 TD is only doing like 20% of my damage and im only doing 40k overall in 18-19 keys
I must be failing something miserably
tropic jacinth
i think i am
on my warlock im doing 110k per key and on my prot pal im doing like 65
really a fuckin head scratcher that i cant make prot war pump
sweet summit
Do you by any chance have logs?
tropic jacinth
yeah
sweet summit
Link em
sick sentinel
Gibs us the loggers
sand relic
how do i find my last messaged in here
sweet summit
Ill take a look once im back on my pc
sand relic
im trying to remmeber what essence to buy next
sick sentinel
Search messages from you
sweet summit
@sand relic magnifying glass -> from @sand relic
mortal brook
search. :from: your name here
sweet summit
Double ping
sand relic
@sweet summit i think u helped me last u told me to grink mech to get vision buy strife next then what
sweet summit
Sphere or Warden iirc
sand relic
kk
frank marsh
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphetide
Feels good having +19KR timed though
@still pagoda
You are kinda guy I wanna learn from. Same gear, but much better key stats. I am so scared of higher keys. But guys like you give me hope
dark warren
sweet summit
Lucid is super good if you are experienced and know how to use it
tropic jacinth
Isnt lucid for doing big pulls every 2mins around dps cds?
sweet summit
VoP is the general ease of use fit all content essence
sick sentinel
Yes ideally you should be doing that anyway
sand relic
so and gettingcorruption all i should be looking to buy is TD ?
tropic jacinth
@sand relic pin for that as well
sweet summit
@tropic jacinth this is your Casts Per Minute in the temple
this is my Casts Per Minute in a temple i did last week
strong forum
That's very low
sweet summit
i had over twice the casts of TC than you
tropic jacinth
That was with 1 wipe and some kiting but I definitely could push more buttons
sweet summit
TC is your highest damage ability in AoE
mortal brook
strong forum
You're not pressing your buttons as you should, only 10k dps from TC is very low
It should be 20-30k from TC alone
tropic jacinth
swapping from lucid to vop should be give some more TCs too
how did our avatar casts compare?
i assume im probably holding that too much too
tropic jacinth
ive been prioritizing making sure its up at the start of pulls but probably losing out on big uptimes playing that too carefully
strong forum
You wanna use avatar and demo shout on CD
tropic jacinth
do i wanna wait for them to be synced ever for that talent?
strong forum
Not using it for extended amounts of time is a waste
sweet summit
unless the pack is actually dead and theres only 3 low HP mobs left*
strong forum
No you just use em as much as you can
tropic jacinth
alright solid
strong forum
Unless obv the pack is about to die in 5 seconds
You wanna avoid rage capping at any cost
tropic jacinth
Very cool Ill try making sure i keep them on CD more today
strong forum
So spam IP if you have to
It's all about generating and spending as much rage as you can
tropic jacinth
oh ive been doing that for sure, for AM
strong forum
Yup
tropic jacinth
i think i was 5% overcapped or something
tropic jacinth
from wowanalyzer
still pagoda
free 260
i haven't done JY since transfer
and don't have it logged in rio
this key is my gateway to 2.5k
strong forum
If you're gonna continue like this you're gonna have me passed in no time
limpid pawn
Junkyard is pretty easy this week
strong forum
(not like that's hard)
still pagoda
If you're gonna continue like this you're gonna have me passed in no time
@strong forum
Though i do keys only closer to night
strong forum
Well you do more than 2-3 keys a week
still pagoda
it is literally 11:55PM here
strong forum
πΌ
sick sentinel
Nome I am glad to see you too are a 2-3 key per week gamer
And that is 2-3 across all chars
strong forum
Ye I cba pushing. No fun try harding too much
sick sentinel
Yeah tbh pushing is just sweating for hours on end
I do not like sweating for hours on end
strong forum
Can't be arsed/assed/asked
cosmic coral
yea i quit pushinbg on my hpally cuz of that, all the people i pushed with are like 3.8-4kio atm
idk how they push keys for 8+ hrs
cosmic coral
yea like 3-4 days a week, friday, saturday, sunday
strong forum
If I was dps maybe it wouldn't be so exhausting, but it's so draining having to focus and call everything
tropic jacinth
Id love to push for 8 hours but finding a consistent group willing to play as much is like pulling teeth
cosmic coral
sometimes thursday or monday
cosmic coral
well, i mean they dont have a consistent group so i can understand why they're staying around 4k, or maybe they're hard stuck idk
well the tnak isnt very good, like i said earlier at like 9 am, i pusehd with the tank and he takes way too mcuh dmg and doesnt call for externals and doesnt communicate
he kinda goes auto and just hopes to have more dps that run
if that makes sense
frank marsh
Yeah, that's what I wanted to say
strong forum
Dps and healers can be harder carried than tanks, but until 4k you can get carried as tank if your group is better than you
cosmic coral
yea like i said ive barely picked up tanking on war, and ive tanked 20 keys, and i know i take way less dmg than him in these key levels, i cant imagine how hard it is to heal him at higher key levels
cosmic coral
u should tell him that, he drops to like 20-40% pretty frequently and i have to spam flashes, when i know i should just be throwing out a glimmer every now and then and letting that passively heal him
frank marsh
"nothing hurts in 20s"
strong forum
Ye
still pagoda
u should tell him that, he drops to like 20-40% pretty frequently and i have to spam flashes, when i know i should just be throwing out a glimmer every now and then and letting that passively heal him
@cosmic coral
strong forum
Needing to actually heal a warri in 20s is a weirdw
sick sentinel
As you get more familiar with the class, 20s will feel easy.
still pagoda
i've dropped to that only twice in my WCM19 run right now
frank marsh
Need to tune my char I guess
still pagoda
once on tank buster and once on courtyard boss
sick sentinel
If you are uncomfortable tanking or playing the class, they are going to be harder because you are more likely to make mistakes
still pagoda
on 40 stacks
cosmic coral
tank buster tickles even in 20s
barely does 20% health
and debuff is no issue from what ive expereinced, of course thats low 20s
frank marsh
Tuning = Bindings, spells, rotations, situations etc
still pagoda
it is really not
but
i did fail a bit on it
letting 2 autos go through
and that's what dropped me down
frank marsh
But yeah, it's experience. That's why I try to go as much as possible into edge keys for me. Like 16,17. But get an invite to keys like that with a 1,8 rio is tough
still pagoda
i just run my own key
cosmic coral
yea thats why i push my own key, if i fuck up route or its just a bad run my own key gets degraded and not someone elses, ik i can push my key back up anyhow
rugged orchid
Do people use conflict and strife as a major essence now? What's up with that?
frank marsh
But seeing people here with almost the same gear running 20s is a good motivation
sick sentinel
@rugged orchid mainly for high keys with full vers builds. It can be nice in some areas to root and kite, but It isnβt necessary for 95% of keys
Thereβs a good write up that naowh did in the pins
frank marsh
push your key
@cosmic coral
Scared of my 15s kr... Don't know why, I like kr.. But it's like a bad vibe
still pagoda
https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphetide
I have only started pushing into 20's, but that's already pretty enjoyable
frank marsh
Wrote you a text above
cosmic coral
i dont like running KR on tyran weeks, that first boss i hate healing and its just left a bad taste in my mouth for the dungeon on my war
still pagoda
frank marsh
Yeah. That's what I mean
KR is always a strange feeling
Same for wcm
For me
It starts with a random way at the beginning... I hate that. I want to know a clear route before I enter the dungeon π«
tame garden
main vault
Tbf the βrandom wayβ in WCM doesnβt even matter, the route is always the same
strong forum
Nowadays ye
frank marsh
Like I said... π I just try to avoid it
sweet summit
@sick sentinel math does check out
grand drum
First pillar to triad, then courtyard, raals room and downstairs
frank marsh
Oh
smoky oriole
Question. 475 Sporepods, or 465 Sporepods with Leech
frank marsh
Will check tomorrow in mdt
sweet summit
neither
smoky oriole
I know
frank marsh
Thanks guys
main vault
No it isnβt
sweet summit
almost any other like 430 trinket will prob be better xdd
smoky oriole
Vial?
upper violet
get a raid trinket or rezan imo
sweet summit
better even if you macro it to avatar
frank marsh
π
sweet summit
yes
smoky oriole
My options are 465 vial, 460 Button, Mech Trink with overclock and crit/vers
main vault
See, told ya
smoky oriole
Shhhh
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
Iβm gonna throw up
hoary root
How do I survive ML 20 third boss. Must i use lucid major and spam IP? Or I can still survive with Vop major
hoary root
Iβm haste socketed and enchanted Cos playing arms
still pagoda
that's good
hoary root
Ok so I must rely on healer too. Canβt solo sustain it
misty shoal
can you spell reflect 2 spells if they finish casting at the exact same time?
tame garden
Yes
hoary root
Yes you can do so. Try on WCM maggots
misty shoal
Like leap in or something and put on SR?
do i have to be the only one in combat with them
still pagoda
hoary root
Gather them, stun. Let them cast
strong forum
The only in in line of sight rekt
hoary root
Only one in range
strong forum
Then shockwave all
sick sentinel
If you go into blobelisk before everyone else you can reflect all the eyeballs
strong forum
Then reflect all at the same time
misty shoal
I like that idea, how much does that usually chunk them? I hate the maggots I think they are the worst trash there maybe next to the shadowcleave guys
strong forum
They almost kill themselves
strong forum
If not actually kill themself
misty shoal
hahaha the frogs are so deceiving
strong forum
You can also reflect the froggies
sick sentinel
Cause Iβll be damned if I donβt stand in that 100% of the time
misty shoal
What do the frogs cast that u can SR?
hoary root
Gotta coordinate with the team. Let them know first.
strong forum
I think you're meaning the leap Bois after 3rd boss right
You can reflect the shadowclaw
strong forum
Well those you can also reflect
trail rune
i thought you meant the froggies on last boss tos
misty shoal
Screw WCM though, we were doing that last night and the witches bugged out where the 2nd witch never used her abilities, and the iris never transfered
so the third which was at 100% hp and 99% DR the whole time
strong forum
Beta for Azeroth strikes again
misty shoal
ooooo ive had that 1 too
going into the 2nd witch with 50% healing reduc lmfao
then into nettles
strong forum
Yup
To be fair, firing 800 people, alot of which were QA isn't a good thing to do :)
misty shoal
the 3 shadowlands dungeons weve seen look sick, I just hope they are a little better QA wise
strong forum
All we can do is pray
And report as much as we can
And then get upset that the reports didn't help
misty shoal
I hope torghast development doesn't take up so much time that it detracts from the other parts of the expac
strong forum
Torghast can be used as legitimate testing grounds
For Lego effects, soulbinds and general class changes
Without affecting the actual game
Let's hope they use it as such
It offers a great chance of fucking around with the tuning knobs
misty shoal
For sure
I just hope prot war is good at 60. I started with guardian druid and ive been playing a ton of prot war lately and out of all the tank classes I've played so far they are the most fun
they feel the fastest at least, I havn't really tried DK though
still pagoda
prot is indeed the highest APM tank at the moment
marble radish
I really hope theyβre good in Slands. I donβt want to switch
vocal skiff
How is Ineffable for prot with the nerf? Did it affect AM or nah?
still pagoda
nerf didn't happen
sick sentinel
Nerf didn't do anything
still pagoda
blizz decided not to
sick sentinel
it was only for pvp and hpals
vocal skiff
So one or two ineffables might be the play still?
ancient tangle
hi, im pretty new to prot, and im now starting to get a hang on the rotation, but i verry rarely have any time to use devestator . am i doing it wrong ?
sick sentinel
devast should only be used as a filler between open gcds so no
ancient tangle
ty
warm plinth
@sick sentinel @tame garden @chilly brook You guys ready by chance? Or wanna plan to do this shortly?
ancient tangle
while you are here, Vision as a major in M+ is the best right ?
last mason
Yes generally
warm plinth
Especially if you're new to prot
Once you're comfortable and you're sure you can play it properly, Lucid is a viable option.
strong forum
The biggest uptime difference comes from the minor rather than the major
The major is just a good solid choice that grants both offense and defense.
rocky linden
Would TD4 + Ineffable be better than just straight up TD5? I assume it would...
sick sentinel
For higher keys yes
People are switching to full vers build even in lower keys like 23/24s
which includes IT 1 x 2
orchid frigate
lol want to pug cara+nozzie on DK alt and accidently signed up for mythic and got invited
chilly brook
@warm plinth I thought we were gonna do it later? I'm out running some errands rq
warm plinth
I have no idea when we're doing it. We can plan on 8PM CST again if that works
chilly brook
That's like what 6 pst?
sick sentinel
better corrupt value to stack 6% haste instead of 12 yeah
still pagoda
better corrupt value to stack 6% haste instead of 12 yeah
@sick sentinel
It doesn't matter
sick sentinel
i got 2 pieces that have 6% and a conaintment
still pagoda
they have the same vers%/corruption
trail rune
its the same
sick sentinel
ooh
warm plinth
Yeah 6PST
trail rune
6% - 10 cor, 12% - 20 cor
chilly brook
Works for me @warm plinth
sweet summit
what time is 6PST for us EU gamers
chilly brook
Depends on where you're at I suppose
sweet summit
UK+1
still pagoda
Basically count as GMT+1 ^
warm plinth
That sounds wrong.
sweet summit
yeah
sweet summit
google lied to me
warm plinth
It'll be 2AM for UK time
sweet summit
3 AM for me
still pagoda
It will be 6AM GMT+3/MSK
warm plinth
6PM PST is 2AM in the UK
main vault
Its midnight right now in the UK
sweet summit
yeah
main vault
reset is 4 hours
sharp night
it's in 2h
main vault
0 + 4 is 4
warm plinth
Yeah it's in 2 hours
sharp night
you guys are confusing things lol
sweet summit
sorry i am very dumb
sharp night
i think people are assuming he meant the assault rollover
main vault
No, their time zone knowledge is lacking lol
sharp night
no, people are talking about assault/corruption rollover
sweet summit
im not
still pagoda
I have studies right at that time
sharp night
but rosjen was talking about our scuffed alt run
main vault
He asked what time 6PST is for UK
tame garden
studies in 2020
sharp night
which is at a different time
main vault
oh
sharp night
the assault rollover is at 8PDT
warm plinth
Yeah, Rosjen was talking about the weekly scuffed Skyhold alt run
mortal brook
guys i only know two timezones. PST and GMT+4:30
still pagoda
No, their time zone knowledge is lacking lol
@main vault
Sorry, 2AM and my mind is already clouded
sharp night
but people are assuming it's the same
main vault
Oh, PDT
sharp night
and giving wrong answers because of it
sweet summit
warm plinth
Those are two very random time zones there Steve
still pagoda
^
warm plinth
Were you stationed somewhere?
mortal brook
one is Afghanistan time
warm plinth
Aha
mortal brook
its very simple
still pagoda
@mortal brook
GMT+4:30
Holy crap, we've got rid of this amalgamation back in soviet times here
sharp night
it is based on PDT
because we are in daylight time right now in america
and it is currently 4pm here on the west coast
sweet summit
what does the random letters mean
mortal brook
nah fam. i say PST or PDT you know where the crap im talkin about. language has conveyed intent of information, its fine
sharp night
pacific standard time and pacific daylight time
it's 1 hour different
depending on the time of year
sharp night
it's known as summer time in EU
mortal brook
and only one is right at a time. so whatever
sweet summit
yes thank you
main vault
Itβs two different time zones
sharp night
you can also call it blizzard time π
mortal brook
was the :30 a soviet thing?
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, if you search like..."what time is it in PST right now?" it converts it to PDT anyway
tame garden
PST PDT are the same timezone
warm plinth
Because that's what is active right now
mortal brook
boom. language
sharp night
yes
warm plinth
Right
main vault
Never understood that
sharp night
mar-nov is PDT, nov-mar is PST
it's just the same as EU using summer time
CET vs CEST
main vault
Never understood actually giving it a different name
But I also donβt know why EU is on different dates
sweet summit
man, why cant we just have one big timezone this is confusing me 
sharp night
lol
still pagoda
Same
main vault
And why the time changes different each time
still pagoda
We just have everything scaled according to GMT with no summer/winter time
mortal brook
thats literally what GMT is
sharp night
it's based on whatever laws your country has it set to
or state or province or whatever
tame garden
daylight savings time is outdated
sharp night
it is
mortal brook
also yes
sharp night
it should be removed
still pagoda
Yes
tame garden
we arent farmers
main vault
Well like, this year DST was like 3 weeks after US
still pagoda
Daylight savings time was removed here in Russia back in 2011 iicr
mortal brook
DST wasnt even about farmers. farmers were opposed to it
still pagoda
We moved over to constant winter time
mortal brook
its always cold in siberia
tame garden
thats what the farmers want you to think steve
sharp night
there are plenty of countries that either never had it or have stopped using it
mortal brook
couple US states as well
sharp night
and many states are trying to stop it now too in the US