protection

[sick sentinel]

99% of magic damage is reflected

or reflect cheesed

[sweet summit]

Cleave, triad, maggots, lord and lady?

[sick sentinel]

Maggots get one shot by reflect cheese

lord and lady you can reflect every cast

[sweet summit]

Im not sure about wcm, hence the (?)

[sick sentinel]

you never go left side in an actual fort key if you're doing high keys

left side horrible count and waste of time

[sweet summit]

Yeah ik

[sick sentinel]

triad is reflectable too and purely kickable with 2 melee kicks

[ionic fern]

Can't assume everyone is doing high keys.
Most people asking advice here are in the range of 10-15.

[sick sentinel]

more of a reason not to do it then

null won't change anything in 15s

misplay will

[ionic fern]

No harm in doing it either.

[sick sentinel]

get more from other stuff

[sharp lotus]

I just got my third pair of 480 C'thraxxi pauldrons

[sweet summit]

😂

Rip

[orchid frigate]

lol

ive ben getting them as well

[granite flint]

How much haste do I need to have 100% uptime on Shield Block?

[orchid frigate]

before i deicded to save for specific

[strong forum]

166%

@granite flint

[granite flint]

Oh my

Thank you @strong forum

[strong forum]

Thats however SB only. With LS and Bolster in mind for actual 100% block uptime it's going to be alot less

[granite flint]

Oh what will it be around then?

[strong forum]

That number I however don't know as its not something to focus on, as there's no scenario where you need true 100% block uptime

[granite flint]

Gotcha!

I want as much uptime on SB as I can how much haste do you think I should go for then?

For m+

[strong forum]

Just as much as you can, as haste gives you rage Generation

[granite flint]

Yea I’m thinking about replacing vers enchants and gems for haste

[strong forum]

Which directly translates into shorter cooldowns of many buttons

You should do that regardless, unless you're pushing high keys

[granite flint]

👍👍👍 awesome

[sick sentinel]

Am I blind, or are there not any pins for corruptions in raid?

[strong forum]

TD

[daring bay]

@strong forum what is a high key?

[granite flint]

Just don’t know if I should drop TD for Expedient

[strong forum]

25+ assuming optimal setup.
23+ if not optimal setup

[sick sentinel]

So just TD stack?

[strong forum]

For raid yes

[sick sentinel]

No ineffs?

[ionic fern]

No need.

[worthy linden]

can you get weapons or shields from visions?

[strong forum]

No

[daring bay]

@strong forum is 23 the highest key you have done?

[strong forum]

Only wrists, gloves, pants and boots

Yes, I'm playing a non-meta comp and I'm not pushing

[worthy linden]

cheers

[daring bay]

Ah, the exuses :P

[amber siren]

nome is a beta

[still pagoda]

Not everyone pushes for the highest keys

[amber siren]

[still pagoda]

he enjoys 23's

why not

[strong forum]

Excuses?

I'm doing 2-3 keys a week, if that's pushing to you, lmao

[daring bay]

:)

[still pagoda]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphetide
I'm sitting at 17's and 18's and just slowly pushing forward

[ionic fern]

I'm not sure what this has to do with the prior discussion.

🤔

[still pagoda]

no excuses since i don't have much time either

[sturdy dome]

im doing keys on 3 toons

lul

[red fern]

Why do you wanna use VoP whe u have CoF as major in raids

Isnt't Lucid better as minor then?

[ionic fern]

You can sim yourself for damage purposes and pick w/e fits you.

[sturdy dome]

Is Jes' howler any good?

[granite flint]

@still pagoda nice gear!

[still pagoda]

?

[granite flint]

You have nice gear on your World of Warcraft character that you linked

[red fern]

You can sim yourself for damage purposes and pick w/e fits you.
@ionic fern

Yea but not dmg intake, isnt lucid more defensive?

[granite flint]

Yes

[ionic fern]

Most fights in raids are not that heavy on damage intake - especially this late into the tier.
There are some exceptions to this with nukes like Illgy for example but those can be covered via defensive trinkets for example.

So in general there shouldn't be any need to go for a more "defensive" setup in regards to minor powers.

[red fern]

Ok, cool

[daring bay]

I feel like vex hurts when ur tanking the adds :V

like beam when you are dogding breaths, ouch

[ionic fern]

Beam wrecks jeah if you're 2 tanking.

[still pagoda]

beam wrecks if your healers don't dispel also

[strong forum]

Get dispelled 2-3 times and you're gucci

[daring bay]

Well, the problem is when you you cant hit the mobs becuse of breaths so you just stand there while getting lazered with ur SR up dropping :V

[strong forum]

Or once at 8-10

[still pagoda]

just had one monk from Черный Шрам(mostly ally RU server. Though its population is nearly extinct) ask whether "i'm going +18SoB for weekly"

fuck

man

you can go do +15 weekly no leavers if you want to

i want this key timed

:D

[strong forum]

+18 grants you enough TR so you can get an azerite piece from vendor every 2 weeks

[still pagoda]

I know. Not gonna sacrifice my key for some random player on RU ally dominant server from which i don't take people since 7.1.5 anyway

[upper violet]

never lucky

i have run lots of dungeons stuck with 445 shield

[still pagoda]

[daring bay]

Nice, just gotta pop a socket in there

[upper violet]

whats the addon that shows the ilvl like that called

[still pagoda]

Nice, just gotta pop a socket in there
@daring bay

pop a socket and TD3

whats the addon that shows the ilvl like that called
@upper violet

Addonskins. Basically reskins everything into ElvUI style

but you can get ElvUI itself and will boast even more

[upper violet]

eh i dont like elvui

im using scuffed bars

my ui is a huge mess

[daring bay]

I use dominos, but my UI is kinda messed up to

people recomend elvui so might give it a try

[still pagoda]

i use Bartender4

[upper violet]

its so scuffed

idk why i have 4 different mounts

on the bar

it is what it is

[still pagoda]

[upper violet]

man i think i forgot to do the buff thing before the dungeon

need a WA for that

im so dumb

checked the log

dude im so stupid

had 2 other ppl who could use the buff

[dusty warren]

Guys, I'm currently with TD5 and doing keys up to 20+. If I put an IT1 it goes to 44 corruption and I would like to be below 40. Is it worth drop TD2 and putting 2x IT1?

[strong forum]

I'd just stay above 40 🤷‍♂️

But if you absolutely wanna be below 40, I'd run IT1 + TD3/4 + w/e you can fill in

[still pagoda]

i've just seen rogue die from cast he didn't interrupt

and healer DCed before second boss just now

RIP SoB18

[obsidian mica]

Sb here, who killed N'Zoth Mythic with his prot warri, whom I can dm?

[strange tide]

@still pagoda what interrupt tracker is that?

[still pagoda]

@still pagoda what interrupt tracker is that?
@strange tide https://wago.io/SkjHi61Bz

[upper violet]

ah yes this is very nice

any external tracker

[strange tide]

Cheers mate

[upper violet]

or like healer cd tracker

ok bois i got an azerite question : this or

same ilvl

[still pagoda]

second one

[ionic fern]

Swap gemhide for RP

@upper violet

[still pagoda]

^

we're armor capped anyways

[ionic fern]

Wat

[upper violet]

nothing else what about the crit thing vs heed

[still pagoda]

smh, i'm sitting at 74,69%

dunno if they changed anything

but isn't armor cap still at 75%?

[upper violet]

ah nvm wrong piece

[strong forum]

Thats without the higher K values in m+ / raid

[still pagoda]

oh

funky

[stiff oracle]

Impassive visage

[worthy linden]

i could play with TD6 or TD5 + expedient 3, should I just go full damage or keep the expedient to help with rotation/shield blocks/whatever? this is for low keys, like 15-16 max

[upper violet]

Do a key with each setup

Then pick what u pref

[strong forum]

I'd run TD5 + expedient just cuz it's more fun, min maxing 15s is really not necessary

[worthy linden]

yeah I've been using the TD5 + expedient setup for the last week, and it's been really smooth and fun and I dont think the extra damage matters that much at this point

I'll try a key with TD6 tho

[strong forum]

Ye, I'd personally say, going above TD5 isn't really as beneficial as throwing in some IT / haste%. But that's just feelycraft

[worthy linden]

wish I had bought IT1 when it was on sale, used all my echoes on expedient for arms

[strong forum]

F

[orchid frigate]

hmm

got first mask on alt, did it and got two new. equipped them and did next but didnt get any quest 😒

full clear

[upper violet]

because u get 2 masks from each city

if thats ur issue

[orchid frigate]

but i should have 4 now then, right?

and get next one in SW next week

[upper violet]

should i run anima for the autism 30 tank

[sweet summit]

absolutely

[upper violet]

minor?

[sweet summit]

yuz 😎

[upper violet]

so uhhh anima warden null as minors and cof major?

[sweet summit]

sounds good 😂

[upper violet]

why u being weird

[sweet summit]

😳

[upper violet]

time for indom xddddddddddddddddd

[still pagoda]

[sweet summit]

impending victory btw

[still pagoda]

DEVASTATOR

[sweet summit]

very stronk

[upper violet]

wdym wouldnt it be good for the tank raid

[still pagoda]

Go that level of bullshit and take IT20+

[sweet summit]

o wait IV is on the same row as ItF wtf

[still pagoda]

Ineffable Ravager will be a thing!

[sweet summit]

kinda cringe :/ fix prot talents

yes, karton, yes

[still pagoda]

i don't use this myself

[upper violet]

[sweet summit]

you go dragon roar with ineffable ravager

[still pagoda]

i think they should make Ravager baseline

make it into Dancing Rune Weapon but AOE

which it is already

[sweet summit]

make it do damage 🤠

[still pagoda]

ye

it barely does anything right now

[sweet summit]

big parry

dont need shield block :^)

[ionic fern]

Why are you guys like this?

[orchid frigate]

im a bit sad that my guild healers prefers BDK. i guess i must be playing both wrong. when i play warrior i feel so tanky and a lot more consistent on dmg intake than in BDK

and it seems to me that i take a lot less dmg as well

as warrior

[ionic fern]

You do.

[sweet summit]

you should

[upper violet]

i played with a healer and at the start he said like dude u have so little hp and at the end he said it was very easy to heal :P

[still pagoda]

im a bit sad that my guild healers prefers BDK. i guess i must be playing both wrong. when i play warrior i feel so tanky and a lot more consistent on dmg intake than in BDK
@orchid frigate

They are trash if so

[strong forum]

Healers preferring to heal bdk are masochists

[still pagoda]

like. If they can't heal a warrior in M+, then don't run it with them

[orchid frigate]

maybe its a long living prejudice that BDK doesnt need any healing

[still pagoda]

Healers preferring to heal bdk are masochists [2]

[strong forum]

Oh yes I too like my tanks hp to be a bouncy ball

[still pagoda]

maybe its a long living prejudice that BDK doesnt need any healing

We're not in MoP anymore

[strong forum]

And not know when he's actually in danger

[orchid frigate]

exactly karton

[ionic fern]

Idk, it depends.
I like to heal BDK's that know how to play.
YOu just need to keep an eye on their RP and you're fine.

If they have a full bar of RP then i won't even bother healing them.

🤷

[orchid frigate]

🙂

[strong forum]

I'd like to fiddle around with bdk but then I remember...

Echoes. Visions. Corruptions.

[orchid frigate]

bdk is fun to play tho

at least i think so 🙂

[upper violet]

in legion it was very fun

now its kinda scuffed

[strong forum]

Everytime I've played bdk I just screamed 24/7 cuz everything is so slow, not my cup of tea

[orchid frigate]

leveled one at the end of legion but never had the chance to do anything with it

[strong forum]

Or I screamed in S1 cuz of how retardedly easy it was

[orchid frigate]

yeah, played mine a bit in S1

felt very easy indeed

then i shelved it till recently

mostly been blaying monk this expansion but now towards the end i tend to stick with my warrior

most fun for me

must say that BDK feels extremly easy in visions (or ive just gotten better at them)

speaking of visions, you can SR split personality?

[strong forum]

Na

Not as far as I know

Never tried

Wait, you mean the circle or the 1 thing chasing you

The circle thingy you can spell reflect yes

[orchid frigate]

sweet

[sweet summit]

you cant reflect the guy that chases you

[orchid frigate]

meant the guys that pops up in a circle around you

[brisk ferry]

you can reflect the circle of guys that stun you

[orchid frigate]

mhm

oh naowh changed to pandaren as well

[brisk ferry]

just watch for casts whiel you're trying to move through them, doesnt always end well

[calm goblet]

out of curiosity, how much haste % without into the fray is people running?

[strong forum]

39%ish

Is where I'm at

[sweet summit]

think im around there too

[ionic fern]

No idea..like..23?

Roughly..something between 20-25.

[strong forum]

Always knew mwahi was slow but damn.

😼

[sweet summit]

😂

[echo bramble]

Is there any advantage to playing pandaren?

[strong forum]

Double stats from food

[sweet summit]

less fall damage

[orchid frigate]

@echo bramble extra vers from food buff

[strong forum]

And a non DR stun

That's about it

[calm goblet]

Alright, ty

[echo bramble]

Okay, makes sense

[ionic fern]

Once you go panda you will start dying on anything else.
The fall damage reduction is stronk.

[orchid frigate]

yeah

would play female panda if it was a bit smaller

[ionic fern]

My Shaman's a panda.

👍

[alpine stag]

It seems that the big tanks like Naowh stacking Verse Amp also stil do rly good damage without TD, does the Verse amp with CnS major make up for the TD damage since they get to about 80% verse at times

[amber siren]

check pins

[upper violet]

skitra boots socketed

[alpine stag]

ah thanks

[still pagoda]

[upper violet]

r1 td raden pants

this luck is big bois

[orchid frigate]

[still pagoda]

Hawgz said i need more practice with TD

here it is

it's a +19 though

so i really need to go with no mistakes

[orchid frigate]

dont wall aggro

[amber siren]

monkaS

[granite hedge]

It is worth to use level 1 conflict and strife for M+?

[sweet summit]

if you dont have anything else ye

[still pagoda]

can old Legion jewelcrafting lockpicks open stuff in TD?

[strong forum]

If you literally have nothing, yes Velas

But sphere/lucid/aegis already are better at R1 than conflict R1

[sweet summit]

i doubt it, karton

[still pagoda]

same

[strong forum]

Conflicts power comes with r3

[still pagoda]

i doubt myslef

[sick sentinel]

One more reset and I get rank 3 CnS

[strong forum]

Yes they can Karton

I'm using them

[sweet summit]

:o

[still pagoda]

[sturdy dome]

anyone tank like a pro

and can make anything possible

[broken cedar]

what's a good alternative for major in 10ish keys? Dont have rank 3 lucid yet

[stiff oracle]

VoP

dont bother with lucid in 10s

[still pagoda]

VoP is superior in this range

[broken cedar]

ty

[potent bear]

Hey, I have enough to buy two rank 3 essences from all available on my 455 prot warrior. Which two should I buy first for m+, 10-15's

[warm plinth]

What do you have right now?

[potent bear]

just rank1's

lucid / vop / rest rank1

[warm plinth]

I'd probably farm VoP normally with heroic/M+, and buy C&S and Lucid first

[potent bear]

rad ty

[craggy vortex]

Question about mythic shadhar, I was under the assumption I always take crush stacks. I get melted by dissolve, especially at 2 stacks. Should we focus on letting me get crushes and him take dissolve or should we just swap as on a what ever the first debuff to come out is?

[strong forum]

Your cotank can tank the boss 24/7 and you just intervene the crushes

That's 1 way to do it

[craggy vortex]

Ok, he is saying he is getting low on cds and runic power as the fight goes on? Should I ever take the boss at all?

[amber siren]

oh wow thats 2000iq ive never done it

[craggy vortex]

Ya lol same I never thought to intervene the crushes

[strong forum]

Well ofc can you help him out

Both of you have 2 taunts

So you can easily taunt swap for double dissolves properly

[craggy vortex]

Ok so maybe I'm an idiot but I can only reset taunt cd with a heroic leap right?

[strong forum]

Yes

[potent bear]

@warm plinth you rate lucid dreams rank3 is a big upgrade over r1?

is the leech and healing it provides big?

[strong forum]

So what you could do you be he taunts for the combo, you intervene the crushes (if crush is 3rd you just taunt it) and you take over after the combo

And just continue tanking the non combo stuff

[craggy vortex]

So I should tank him with the crush debuffs?

My co tank is insisting that I shouldn't tank with the crush debuffs cause hes gonna hit to hard

[warm plinth]

R2 is extended effect so

[frail finch]

Gentlemen, am I right saying HC Lingering Shell is better than Mythic Sigil of Warding?

[amber siren]

yes

[strong forum]

1 crush debuff is fine, if it's 2 crushes the DK can tank the boss

[craggy vortex]

Ok, so if I have 1 crush debuff that would be the best time to let the dk recover some resources?

[strong forum]

You just take all the crushes, he takes the dissolves, whoever has to take 2 of w/e debuff doesn't tank the boss

I would say

[craggy vortex]

Gotcha, so intervene first crush and taunt off for the second?

We were having issues with the crush/dissolve/crush rotation cause my taunt was on cd and heroic leap didnt finish in time

[strong forum]

You have 2 intervenes

[craggy vortex]

So that makes more sense

[strong forum]

So you can intervene both

[craggy vortex]

Awesome that makes way more sense

[strong forum]

It's if you want to taunt swap

You can intervene 1st, he keeps boss for dissolve you taunt for 2nd crush

He then taunts after crush

2 taunts

Full combo

If its dissolve crush dissolve you intervene crush, taunt after 2nd dissolve

Purrdy simple

[craggy vortex]

Ya that makes sense, never thought to use intervene there. Will make that way easier

[steep bone]

Guys, is it any good? atm running with 455fh/460kr rings no sockets

[still pagoda]

so much slacking from priest and hunter on last boss

[steep bone]

feelsbaldman

[sweet summit]

@steep bone ye big haste

id personally keep the rings you use atm tho

[steep bone]

@sweet summit which one should i replace then?

oh

[sweet summit]

KR is the vers heavy ring or?

[steep bone]

heavy haste

371/193 hast vers

[sweet summit]

hmm

[still pagoda]

KR is the vers heavy ring or?
@sweet summit

KR is the heavy haste

[sweet summit]

i see

[sweet summit]

ye fuck it, even bigger haste if you use the FH+WS ring

[steep bone]

giga

[still pagoda]

ye

and they give better stats overall

[steep bone]

28.3 into 29.5 base hast

[still pagoda]

At least next week i can kickstart into better keys right away

though... I have +18ToS right now

guess it's an easy up

[steep bone]

maan

this week sucks for pugs on low keys

if you get 4bursting they're basically rioting

[sick sentinel]

platinum pummeler on skittish without rogue hunter for tricks/md can go die in fire

[sweet summit]

avatar>taunt>ss>tc>CoF and u good

[still pagoda]

^

i dunno how you can loose aggro on bosses

[sweet summit]

idk man, i tanked korgus for at least 5 seconds on one of the pulls 👀

[warm plinth]

You don't need a rogue or hunter for platinum pummeler. Just taunt on CD and spam heroic throw when you're kiting and it should be fine

[still pagoda]

^

[sick sentinel]

still have to start with charge SS right, it went straight for the healer basically

[sour sonnet]

would you guys run urchin over shell?

[sweet summit]

avatar>taunt>ss>tc>CoF kite+HT

i would not

darwin

[sour sonnet]

even with vers stacking?

[grand drum]

Use shell

[sweet summit]

even when vers stacking, vita still buffs you and your group by a large amount

but if you absolutely want to, sure use urchin

i cant stop you

[strong forum]

^

[warm plinth]

Not with that attitude you can't

[sour sonnet]

yea just trying to decide between shell/urchin + vita

[sweet summit]

both are solid, but shell has a clear ilvl advantage

and who does not like a big on demand absorb on a very short CD

[sick sentinel]

well, i got a 15 done this week, and bursting isn't fun

[sweet summit]

ayyy

[sick sentinel]

gunna have to figure something else done for rest of week 😒

[still pagoda]

bursting is rather avoidable

[sweet summit]

just AMS

[still pagoda]

but lower keys...

man

they're hell anyway

[sick sentinel]

like, i got into 1 group last night, 14 WS "funrun", and we did everything good, just not enough time to kill final boss really.

and then shit hole group 14, ws again, where i had the aggro problem and it fell apart at 2nd

[still pagoda]

welcome to lower keys

[sick sentinel]

welcome to pugging

[still pagoda]

the higher you get, the better it becomes

but seriously

12-15 bracket is much harder than 19

[sick sentinel]

no, actually, it wasn't the final boss, the healer died 7 or 8 times on the entire run, and we basically had zero wipes until final

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

Come shadowlands i'll actually be ready for M+ this time though

[proven basalt]

What's the minimum amount of Haste needed to get three back to back Shield Blocks?

[sweet summit]

~20% before ItF

like 20-23% i dont remember exactly what it is

[proven basalt]

Hmm, good starting point.

Thank you.

[burnt night]

hi, any tanks doing 18-20 keys playing over 40 corruption? is it manageable?

[sweet summit]

it is manageable

you have spell reflect for thing from beyond

[strong forum]

Doing all my keys above 40

[sweet summit]

storm bolt

[strong forum]

In the 20-23 range

And would play even in 25+

It really is a non issue if you're used to it.

[sweet summit]

the bigger issue is the slow, but as a warrior you have loads of mobility options and avatar clears the slow too

[burnt night]

storm bolt / spell reflect the thing and we gucci?

[strong forum]

Yes

[prisma crane]

i'd say it depends, and depends on comp as well

[strong forum]

Also 95/100 times Its not me that dying or fucking up

[prisma crane]

literally watched Naowh remove corruption because the slow cost him a key

[strong forum]

So I'm safe game, my group will fuck up way before tfb fucks the entire group over

[burnt night]

aha ok i see ! thank for the answer

[prisma crane]

at the end of the day i'd say it's preference, but i personally dont think the extra corruption outweighs the loss of control

[burnt night]

Yeah im going to try it for a bit and see how it feels.
Follow up question, im running TD R5 right now, i can add either a TD R1, IT R1 or surging R1 and stay below 60. ( Im waiting on versatile R2). What do you think would be best, im thinking IT or surging but i cant find any info on the uptime of that corruption.

[strong forum]

IT1

IT1 is the best corruption to fill

Followed by haste%/vers%

IT1 is 1 ppm, but can be incredibly handy and plays very well into AM and SR

[burnt night]

yeah i guess i also add an exp 3 i have laying around from when it was up

[strong forum]

But you can read up more in the pins for a little more indepth

[burnt night]

Ok yeah will definitly do that ! thanks

[sick sentinel]

so

crap, i think i have IFT 2 instead of 1

Not the end of the world

so, i think what the pin is saying is get TD any, IFT1/2 and then haste?

[strong forum]

generally yes

[warm plinth]

Specifically, IT1 x2

Not IT2, if possible

[sick sentinel]

okay, that's what i'm trying currently, might need to equip new sword with stats instead of proc though, since i got a 475 shield with like 53 mastery

and a proc that does 255 dps

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/717446619485962383/mechashielddmg.png

[primal dune]

Boys I have finally hit rank 4 TD after the assault drop

It’s a 25 ilvl downgrade but 2 TD

[still pagoda]

worth it

[sick sentinel]

Anybody off the top of their head know how long between mandible slam casts on cara?

[primal dune]

Nah but it’s fairly long for a tank buster

[strong forum]

Like 13 seconds @sick sentinel

[sweet summit]

uhhhh 15 seconds iirc

[strong forum]

13-15

[primal dune]

Say 13

[strong forum]

You can reflect every 2nd cast

[primal dune]

14*

Why reflect the hit?

Healers need to pad too

[strong forum]

To... Reflect it?

[primal dune]

Can’t take all the glory with our rank 4 TDS

[still pagoda]

Tol Dagor doesn't leave me

[sick sentinel]

Will that be enough time for it to fall off and solo tank fury?

[primal dune]

Normal swap is 2 stacks

So I would guess so

But I just checked the reflect table

It says slam is not reflectable

It’s only blockable

[sick sentinel]

You reflect the debuff application

Black scar

i think imma race change from tauren to BE

[sweet summit]

you sure its not a deflect?

[primal dune]

Ah that’s right

[sweet summit]

im pretty sure its a deflect

[primal dune]

Hit is not deflect

Debuff is

[sick sentinel]

Well meaning the debuff doesn’t apply

[primal dune]

Hang on

[sick sentinel]

I guess what I’m basically getting down to is our tank comp is prot/veng. If I can solo rank it then that’s great for adds

[primal dune]

If you run two prot

[sick sentinel]

Tank

[sweet summit]

yes admike

[primal dune]

Can’t you infinitely stack black scar damage on boss

[sweet summit]

but its a deflect

boss doesnt take damage or get debuff

[primal dune]

Ah

I can add this shit to the list of solo tankable bosses

[sweet summit]

with ineffable and a bit of rng

yeah

but thats my plan

[primal dune]

Managed a normal nzoth solo tank because the retard DH forgot he’s in dps spec

[sweet summit]

ineffable ravager solo tank carapace

[limpid pawn]

How do you handle the second psychus

[primal dune]

It’s normal

I just go down

[sweet summit]

have the havoc dh tank :^)

[primal dune]

Havoc was tanking the tentacle with leech

[sweet summit]

sounds about right

[primal dune]

He was 445

Not even that over geared

[sweet summit]

dumb spec

[primal dune]

He did die tho

Other dps stepped in with defensive

[steep bone]

Are there some tips&tricks gathered in one place about tanking M+ specifically as prot? I mean what's best to spell reflect, something like shield blocking tornado on sharkboss in fh etc, just general things that every begginer prot pleb like me should know to avoid stupid common mistakes

[primal dune]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml#

Reflect lost

List

[sweet summit]

ye

[steep bone]

is there some weak aura for it :D?

[sweet summit]

the spreadsheet

[primal dune]

And block

[sweet summit]

there is not afaik

[primal dune]

None I’ve seen

[steep bone]

and that spreadsheet looks great thanks 😄

[warm plinth]

There is/was a WA for it but I don't think it's been updated in a long while

[steep bone]

I mean i could make one myself, pretty ez tho

[primal dune]

Also sheet is wrong about the maut abyss

[steep bone]

just tedious work

[sweet summit]

ye it hasnt worked since forever

[primal dune]

Spell reflection does not deflect the tick

But instead negates the effect of silence

[sweet summit]

thats even better

[warm plinth]

I mean

There's literally a log screenshot of it being deflected

[primal dune]

It could be out safest

[primal dune]

Dated

Deflection means you lose the shield

And I can guarantee you in H N and LFR you won’t lose the shield

[sick sentinel]

@limpid pawn what do you mean how do you handle aecond psychus

[sweet summit]

deflect means no negative effects on you, or the boss

[warm plinth]

Deflection means you reflect it but it doesn't affect the mob you reflected it from.

[primal dune]

And can do rotation normally

But you Lose the shield

You don’t now

[sweet summit]

pinky, how does that interact with the debuff on mythic

[warm plinth]

If you think it's wrong, you can tell Sense, but he tests all of these thoroughly

[primal dune]

Surely I’m not the only prot here who pops SR for abyss

[warm plinth]

I'm flattered that you think I've even been in a Mythic raid, ever Rosjen 😂

[sweet summit]

i thought u were big gamer

[sick sentinel]

You wouldn’t think that if you saw our sky hold weekly no leaver

[sweet summit]

exactly

he played so well i thought he was big pumper

[warm plinth]

I am far from a big gamer. I just retain things

[sick sentinel]

Shiet I had to tank half the dungeon

[warm plinth]

I'm like

the perfect example of "Those who cannot do, teach"

[sweet summit]

so you're just retired and teaching the new generation?

[sick sentinel]

Ghash I tanked mythic on my dh yesterday. Why didn’t anyone tell me that as vengeance I just have to mash buttons and do 70k hps

[warm plinth]

To retire I think you have to have actually done the things to begin with

[sick sentinel]

I literally did not have to think for one single second

[sweet summit]

fair point

[warm plinth]

The only heroic raid I've done that wasn't me being boosted is heroic Ny'alotha. Though considering I have like...5 kills max of each boss, I don't think my parses are total garbage.

[primal dune]

My 1 button macro does more damage than myself for VDH

Makes me sad

[sick sentinel]

I found yesterday that ra den is juicy when you take that debuff at 1.3 mil hp

[buoyant scroll]

XDDDDDDDDDD

[primal dune]

Raden LFR gives you health instead of taking it

[sweet summit]

did you fall down?

[sick sentinel]

I did not

[sweet summit]

what a hero

[primal dune]

I stacked to 1.4M with TD4

[sick sentinel]

With iron bark I was able to out heal it

[primal dune]

Biggest pad

Shit I forgot to log it

Didn’t happen then fellas

[buoyant scroll]

Can somebody tell me why healer normally in hc cast all ther big cd before raden hits ?

[warm plinth]

[primal dune]

Cuz raid damage hits

They pop raid cool down

[sick sentinel]

If your healers are using any cds that heal you before ra den hits they are inting

[primal dune]

You get hit

[buoyant scroll]

and thats why pala hit ly on hands on the tank before debuff

[sick sentinel]

Yeah that’s inting

[sweet summit]

thats why you use the holy /cancelaura /sit macro

[buoyant scroll]

whats inting?

[sick sentinel]

Throwing

[primal dune]

Intentionally feeding

Int for short

[sick sentinel]

Bad play

[buoyant scroll]

isnt that only a thing in pvp 😄

[primal dune]

Nah bad play implies they did it wrong accidentally

[sweet summit]

onono

[chilly brook]

No you can intentionally throw a raid pull

[primal dune]

Int implies intention

[sweet summit]

ive inted quite a few times in pve

trust me

[buoyant scroll]

XD

i think i hit a bee hive with the question

[sick sentinel]

Most healers don’t use huge cds in the last phase anyway because I’m mythic it will kill people

[primal dune]

You know you dashed to someone with carapace add bomb

We all did

[chilly brook]

Also when you say before raden hits are you talking before the decaying strike or before a regular hit?

[buoyant scroll]

u guys using dash by cara?

[primal dune]

No the adds before cara

Does the pulsing time bomb thing that stuns everyone

[buoyant scroll]

ah makes sense

[sick sentinel]

If you don’t pull that whole room and intentionally murder your healers by standing non them are you even a tank

[buoyant scroll]

and no bc we ahve to pay 50k into the guildbank

[primal dune]

You just dash that shit into the raid and fuck them up with chain reaction

^^^

[buoyant scroll]

if guildleader or raidlead does ist everbody gets payed

[chilly brook]

Wut

[sick sentinel]

I would not last a day in that guild

[primal dune]

I’m both guild lead and raid lead

[chilly brook]

I'd be gone

[buoyant scroll]

yeah is a rule now

[sick sentinel]

I would be removed so quickly

[chilly brook]

That sounds stupid

Like actually so dumb

[sick sentinel]

However I instituted a policy that if you lose to my dh in damage you owe the gb 10k gold

[buoyant scroll]

well guildlead is the one that has ecces to guildbank if he deos it everbody gets a cut from the 50 k

[sick sentinel]

So now I actively try to kill people on reclears so they die and have to pay

[buoyant scroll]

XD

[primal dune]

When did this turn into woweconomy

[sick sentinel]

Faced vexiona add beam right at a hunter yesterday

Absolutely deleted him

Lost in dps

And he paid the price

[buoyant scroll]

i killed a shamen at 3 sec bfore pull

[primal dune]

It’s a hunter

[wet fable]

Message: [string "--[==[ Error in 'Ignore Pain Tracker':'cust..."]:12: attempt to index a nil value
Time: Thu Jun 4 19:05:53 2020
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[primal dune]

They deserve that shit

[buoyant scroll]

and yes i think a stream is still out there

[wet fable]

Anyone know what this weakaura error can be?

[wheat jasper]

ask in the weakaurs discord

[buoyant scroll]

it exist such a discord

oh no

[primal dune]

We just know tank and spank man

[wheat jasper]

https://discord.gg/wa2

[buoyant scroll]

XDD

now get in there and share curropted wa s

[primal dune]

We sacrifice hunters to the old gods in exchange for twilight procs

[buoyant scroll]

just to see azeroth burn

[primal dune]

1 like = 1 prayer

[sick sentinel]

I have gotten to the point in this expansion where I am a raid affix, something the raid has to deal with

[buoyant scroll]

well is twilight still a must have

[sick sentinel]

You must avoid the Hawgz mechanic to kill the boss

[primal dune]

Do you want to have a damage parse that you wank to before bed every night?

[buoyant scroll]

yeah but u dont need twilight for that XD

[sick sentinel]

Uh

What

[buoyant scroll]

i mean just 15% dmg

[sick sentinel]

Yes you do lmao

[primal dune]

Where else are you going to pull15-20% of your current damage from

[buoyant scroll]

with rank 3

versa?

[sick sentinel]

No no no

[buoyant scroll]

i mean the bigger the pull the bigger the deep?

[sick sentinel]

In raid there is 0 excuse to ever run anything but twilight dev lol

TD6 ez

[buoyant scroll]

saw a monk his echoing void doing more dmg then my twilight at hiv

[sick sentinel]

Then you ain’t aiming it right

[buoyant scroll]

same level

no just didnt get more then 2 progs

[sick sentinel]

Unlucky then

[warm plinth]

I mean, EV does pretty good damage up to 6 targets

[buoyant scroll]

and these 2 where in times with no adds

[warm plinth]

But falls off after that

And it is a consistent area

[sick sentinel]

I am Dwayne the proc Johnson

[primal dune]

Say you get tier 9 verse corruption that gives you 36% extra verse

[warm plinth]

vs TD even when it procs it's going wherever it wants to go

[sick sentinel]

You are not going to convince me that vers% is better in raid

[buoyant scroll]

im talkong about rank 15

or 18

[sick sentinel]

Sure you’ll have some unlucky pulls

[primal dune]

Base verse is say 30% if you’re stacking for some reason

[warm plinth]

So just in case people don't know this

When it says 36% vers, it means whatever your current vers rating is, it gets increased by 36%

It doesn't mean you add 36% to whatever your character sheet says for vers

[primal dune]

That’s just extra 10%

[buoyant scroll]

yeah i know that

[warm plinth]

Just making sure. Like...no way vers comes close to competing with TD for damage

[sick sentinel]

Vers% in raid is beta I rest my case

[buoyant scroll]

i know that ther is a tiping point at which u gain more from versa then td

talking about m+

[primal dune]

With 60 corruption twilight can just obliterate

[warm plinth]

I mean, when? The reason tanks are using vers in M+ is because of survival, not because it does more damage.

[sick sentinel]

This conversation literally had nothing to do with m+ lmao you changed on me

[buoyant scroll]

yes = to more dmg

[still pagoda]

With 60 corruption twilight can just obliterate
@primal dune
It obliterates no matter your corruption rating

what matters is amount of stacked TD's

[primal dune]

Fact

[still pagoda]

don't be stupid]

[warm plinth]

It doesn't do more damage than TD; that is not why they're running it.

[primal dune]

No I mean 60 corruption worth of twilight

Compared to 60 corruption of verse

[buoyant scroll]

welll get 2 progs and die or get zero and survive with do u choose?

[still pagoda]

fuck... My second raid night as a DPS today

[buoyant scroll]

sry which

[primal dune]

I’m talking about dmg increase per corruption

[sick sentinel]

I pick the procs because I am not beta

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

I will live and die by RNG

It is my destiny

[still pagoda]

welll get 2 progs and die or get zero and survive with do u choose?
@buoyant scroll

I pick procs cause no other corruption gives you enough damage to mitigate 60% of future incoming damage

[primal dune]

Your point is literally you die without verse

And we’re talking about pure dps

[sick sentinel]

You don’t die without vers either

[still pagoda]

Dying without vers in keys lower than 25

[sick sentinel]

I don’t push anything super high but 20-22 I run like 7% verse and pull like an absolute monkey

[primal dune]

Fortified shadow of zul would like to have a word

[buoyant scroll]

tyranical zul too

[sick sentinel]

Wut

[still pagoda]

WUT

[sick sentinel]

Tyrannical zul is buns

That is free zul

The real killer in tyr kr is spit gold

[primal dune]

I got a 17 KR I’m about to find out what tyrannical zul feels like

You fellas better not be ducking with me

[still pagoda]

The real killer in tyr kr is spit gold [2]

and axe

[warm plinth]

Yeah tyr spit gold is garbage af

[still pagoda]

but this is avoidable

^

[primal dune]

I was planning to walk in with some stacking verse just for zul

[buoyant scroll]

yeah one talent swap and spitting gold is free too

[sick sentinel]

Lol swapping talents to help a healer

[warm plinth]

Pfft

[buoyant scroll]

to help dds

[sick sentinel]

:omega lul:

[warm plinth]

I don't have a prot war tank so

No safeguard for me

[buoyant scroll]

and okay for all using last stand why not beast?

[sick sentinel]

What

[buoyant scroll]

https://prnt.sc/stuilt

[still pagoda]

another 16k TR and i'm gonna buy this shit out

[buoyant scroll]

sry

indomitable

if omegalul imaging choosing a talent to help a heal

[warm plinth]

Why would you run Indomitable?

[sick sentinel]

Because it’s terible compared to bolster

[still pagoda]

^

[buoyant scroll]

10% more td dmg XD

[warm plinth]

Bolster helps me survive. Safeguard helps others survive.

[sick sentinel]

And believe me ghash needs all the help he can get surviving

[warm plinth]

Listen Hawgz

[primal dune]

Of

[warm plinth]

I just kited too late

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

Absolutely deleted

[primal dune]

Imagine kiting late as prot

[buoyant scroll]

I just kited too late
@warm plinthfamouse last words

[warm plinth]

I'm pretty sure I went like

100 to 0 in 0 seconds

[primal dune]

If only we can gain large distance in a short period of time

If only

[warm plinth]

I literally said "Ok I'm gonna lea--"

dies

[sick sentinel]

In a 22 UR once I leapt into the middle of that back and got one shot from back crits lmao

[warm plinth]

lmao

[sick sentinel]

My healer was like

Excuse me

They were so far away no one else even got threat

Just a lil 10 second time reduction

[buoyant scroll]

so u hadnt had hots

[primal dune]

Remember that MDI run where tank was deleted by KR corridor add that spawns in

[sick sentinel]

Literally nothing makes me happier as a tank than getting one shot lmao it is the epitome of poor play

[buoyant scroll]

Literally nothing makes me happier as a tank than getting one shot lmao it is the epitome of poor play
@sick sentinel can u explain it a bit for me ?

[pearl onyx]

Hello, I have a question. So I went on Atal'dazar +15 recently and I couldn't survive Rezan's Serrated Teeth. What defensives should I keep to survive this? Thanks in advance

[primal dune]

Isn’t getting one shot the epitome of poor play for everything

[unreal parrot]

@pearl onyx Serrated Teeth is a bleed. Shield block does nothing against it (just mitigates the damage of further melees)

[buoyant scroll]

@pearl onyx shieldblock and ignore maybe pop a cd

[sick sentinel]

Since dps can play bad why can’t I sometimes

[unreal parrot]

Spam ignore pain, shield wall if shit hits the fan

[primal dune]

Communicate with healer to rotate CDs

[sick sentinel]

^^^^^

Always rotate cds on tyr AD

You should have one for almost every bleed at any meaningful key level

[buoyant scroll]

ignore pain for the bleed schieldblock for the harder hitting autoattacks

[primal dune]

If you died with at least one CD the healers garbage

Get another one

[unreal parrot]

If you wanna scrap the bottom of the barrel, last stand and rallying cry increase your health

[sick sentinel]

Oof ya hate to hear it

[buoyant scroll]

so fortified stealth guys in ad are 4 stacks survivabel at 22

[unreal parrot]

so that's something

@buoyant scroll if healer can dispel poison, sure, why not

[pearl onyx]

Okay guys thanks a lot. I guess maybe I wasn't using ignore pain enough

[buoyant scroll]

druid

[unreal parrot]

If not you're fucked

Druids can dispel poison

[sick sentinel]

@pearl onyx don’t neglect SB tho

[warm plinth]

@sick sentinel https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedCourageousDootPMSTwin

[sick sentinel]

Cause tyr rezan will sneak up on you and whack you with those melees

[pearl onyx]

@sick sentinel im not, I try to get as much uptime on SB as I can

[sick sentinel]

Lmao did you take back melees @warm plinth I think you did

[pearl onyx]

But I guess for the bleed Ignore Pain should be spammed like crazy

[sick sentinel]

Need both

That’s why healer cds are important

[buoyant scroll]

and unbind devastation its useless XD

[still pagoda]

@warm plinth That's basically me

[warm plinth]

I don't think I did, but I was likely dead either way. I was at 22% before I even turned and still had the DoT

[sick sentinel]

Oh yeah you were dead no matter what

[warm plinth]

I need to get better about turning camera to leap instead of my character though because at some point I'm gonna end up dying that way 😂

[buoyant scroll]

did u use spellreflect?

to give the first tik back?

[limpid pawn]

What level key was that?

[sick sentinel]

Lmao 15

That was the sky hold weekly no leaver

Tradition started last week

[warm plinth]

Yes I did @buoyant scroll

[primal dune]

Was gonna spam F but died on 15

[sick sentinel]

More important question ghash

[unreal parrot]

...I don't remember the last time I used Devastation

[sick sentinel]

DID WE WIPE

[buoyant scroll]

that the point to kite XD

[warm plinth]

We did not wipe

Because Hawgz is a pro kiter

[unreal parrot]

Please just make Devastator baseline, worthless talent

[sick sentinel]

who saved us

[still pagoda]

@sick sentinel US Skyhold weekly no leavers*

ehem

[sick sentinel]

Crankdaddy saved us

[warm plinth]

It's not our fault you're Russian Karton 😠

[still pagoda]

no EU no leavers yet

[sick sentinel]

Start it

[warm plinth]

Come NA and play with us

[limpid pawn]

Hm...

[primal dune]

What is this no leaves I’m hearing about

[still pagoda]

It's not our fault you're Russian Karton 😠
@warm plinth

IT'S NOT MY FAULT I'VE MOVED OVER TO EU ONLY WEEK AGO

[warm plinth]

😂

[buoyant scroll]

ehh yes ofc we all come to america right now

[warm plinth]

I mean

[still pagoda]

😂

[warm plinth]

I would wait

😂

[still pagoda]

Skyhold NA guild when

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I suggest coming to America after some time has passed

[warm plinth]

The worst part of that

[buoyant scroll]

u sure

[primal dune]

What is this no leaver and is it exactly as it sounds

[still pagoda]

12/12M CE Class Discord

[warm plinth]

Was that I couldn't go into the portal after that

[buoyant scroll]

i want to help all these looters XD

[sick sentinel]

So I had to kite those adds for like 4 minutes

[warm plinth]

I was in combat as soon as I spawned; I even died on purpose to the tick pack and was still in combat

So they literally had to finish the pack without me

[sick sentinel]

Ez

I would run in, blur, eye beam, run out

[warm plinth]

lol

[sick sentinel]

Repeat in 30 seconds

Er 60

[warm plinth]

I'm ready for this week's when you guys get to see how many times we can wipe to me trying to heal bursting

[sweet summit]

when 👀

[warm plinth]

Idk, probably same time as last week

We're doing Shrine this week

[sick sentinel]

I’m gonna have to tank on my dh I think cause I have been slacking on gearing bear

And dh isn’t even really scuffed

[proven vault]

Is there a website that tells you how to tank each boss in the raid

[warm plinth]

Yeah you tanking on DH would be a crutch I think

[sick sentinel]

Tanknotes.tk

@proven vault

[warm plinth]

My druid badly needs essences though

[primal dune]

I have 1 hour 40 min 90 death shrine run

[warm plinth]

Like I think I'm gonna have to actually buy essences before corruptions on him

[sick sentinel]

Maybe I will bring my brewmaster

[primal dune]

@proven vault icy veins boss section

[sweet summit]

i timed a 15 on my 445 BrM last week not broken class

[primal dune]

Otherwise literally use common sense

[sick sentinel]

Hey my brew is 445 maybe I will do it

[sweet summit]

i believe

[still pagoda]

i timed a 15 on my 445 BrM last week not broken class
@sweet summit

Did the same 2 weeks ago

#BrMisnotbroken

[chilly brook]

I mean it's not

The only thing about it that's broken is that it makes you want to fall asleep

[halcyon jetty]

Sup guys

[sweet summit]

hallo

[halcyon jetty]

Specced into prorection for the first time after years of fury

[chilly brook]

The answer is no

[sweet summit]

nice

[chilly brook]

:kappa

[sweet summit]

is he the prophet? 👀

[still pagoda]

[halcyon jetty]

Heard protection is pretty good in m+ rn

[warm plinth]

Prorection

[sweet summit]

it is

[sick sentinel]

Hate prot

Doesn’t heal

[sweet summit]

lee...

[sick sentinel]

[primal dune]

Does leech proc off twilight

[sweet summit]

no

[still pagoda]

would redeem leech at leat partially

[unreal parrot]

I'm sitting over here with 13% vers

[sweet summit]

i have like 6%

[strong forum]

3%

[unreal parrot]

oh wait nvm, I was channel hopping and realized the vers comment was in #223972896219856896

Thought it was in the prot channel for some reason since I have the other spec channels hidden

[graceful pine]

hey guys, just a quickie - what's the BiS azerite chest from the Vendor?

[sweet summit]

abyssal head+tank buster shoulders+mechanized chest

[still pagoda]

^

also Skitra shoulders are nice

[graceful pine]

awesome, thanks! Got Nzoth H helm and skitra shoulders, so will get mecha chest with my 20k!

[still pagoda]

also Ashvane chest

it's just superb

Ashvance and mecha chest are equal more or less

[sweet summit]

ashvane/vex chest is good yes

[graceful pine]

Ashvan is also considered one of the BiS for arms too right? Along with mecha

got 1x Mecha chasse atm

[still pagoda]

yes

[sweet summit]

mecha is generally slightly better

[still pagoda]

most arms mains run mecha chest though

^^

[stiff oracle]

does mecha have impassive?

[sweet summit]

nop

[still pagoda]

no

bulwark

[stiff oracle]

fug

[sweet summit]

longstrider/bulwark iirc

[stiff oracle]

that sucks

[sweet summit]

but S P E E D

[stiff oracle]

😄

is this legion

speedsets in legion were so good

[still pagoda]

Ye

Just as avoidance stacking was a thing

😋

[stiff oracle]

my ele made it to rank 12 world

poggeres

[sick sentinel]

Out of 12?

Kek

[sweet summit]

doubleyou

[stiff oracle]

[sick sentinel]

Grats to your ele

[stiff oracle]

I mean

me on ele

but ye

[upper violet]

AAAAAAAH

killed nzoth in the 30 tank pug

coined the trinket

should i use it over scale

[still pagoda]

only if you're doing any 23+ keys and you really need one

[upper violet]

im doing like

15 max

[still pagoda]

then you don't need it

[strong forum]

ye thats hellouva waste in 15s

or really anything below 21

and even then its meh at best

[upper violet]

maybe if im with a healer pug ill try it

cuz u cant always trust these idiots

[austere storm]

Honestly, I always run it because I'm kind of new and it's a nice oh shit button to save my life

[upper violet]

exactly my thought

unless i play with the 1 healer i know

[austere storm]

The dps I'd gain by using scale instead is possibly substantial, but I just appreciate the oh shit button for mistakes made by either myself or the healer/dps

[strong forum]

how the fuck did my TD just crit for 1.1mil

when im only running TD5

??

[sick sentinel]

You love to see that

[still pagoda]

how the fuck did my TD just crit for 1.1mil
@strong forum

LS + stamina buff?

[strong forum]

LS, Shout and Priestbuff i guess

[still pagoda]

exactly

:D

[strong forum]

like im used to 1mil on DH

but on War thats new

[sick sentinel]

The fat meta td procs on dh are imba

[sweet summit]

did the hivemind changes go through already?

just saw my rank go from like 40 to 5 xd

[strong forum]

you mean wcl?

ye yesterday they did

[sweet summit]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

What was the change again

[tame garden]

They took more bosses off allstars

[sweet summit]

drest is off

[tame garden]

This tier is such a joke

[strong forum]

Kihra went full pepega and removed anything that could come close to padding

[sweet summit]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

Rip my psychus pad

[sweet summit]

idk why they're trying to save this tier

its already dead