But i'm too lazy to delete it. 👀
#protection
ionic fern
mortal brook
bruh, set to to reset after you upload lol
mortal brook
👀
mortal brook
1 in 4 chance lol
orchid frigate
wonder if i'll have enough residuum to finally buy specific piece
gambled first weeks of this season which i regretted
got nothing with BoM
when i didnt main my warrior i got BoM on the very first 3 pieces i gamled 😄
sick sentinel
Yo guys. Yesterday i was watching nerfttank, and on stream he said, that TD is no longer good for prot warrior, because you should stack 5xvers and 2x IT. You can pull more trash, more dmg reduction = faster and easier pulls and avatar uptime around 70-80%. What do you think about that option?
I think for keys 24+ it's good but for low keys around 20 TD still should be good, because K value is higher and warrior don't need so much dmg reduction.
candid inlet
What rank should my cloak be before I try a corrupted area in visions?
hearty portal
The second you get the sanity restoring orbs
ripe helm
orchid frigate
low keys around 20 😦
iron raptor
@mortal brook thanks for the info on KR. Timed my key with it. 👍🏻
proven breach
ROFL our DH got MC'd on lord stormsong and turned to the lock proc'd a td hit him for 1.2 million
orchid frigate
haha
mortal brook
nice work fam
marsh smelt
Is assume the Mechagon shield is better?
inland silo
The mechagon shield affect is very very bad
proven breach
not for me even with the block but this is just my alt class
marsh smelt
I can put a haste gem in the socket so the stats are pretty close at that point. Is the proc really just worthless?
ionic fern
This is what it ammounted for me in a +19 UR.
1.40%.
So yes, it's pretty worthless.
inland silo
Ah didn’t see the socket. Stats would be pretty close then honestly yea
ionic fern
Just socket it and use it in that case.
marsh smelt
Thanks!
inland silo
Idk if I’d spend a socket on a 465 is my thing
trail dome
I mean it already has a socket
hearty portal
@ionic fern can you see how much damage the proc absorbed?
onyx vessel
Very weak
hearty portal
Even it that is also a really tiny amountl, both of them should be accounted for
hearty portal
would probably total out at something like 2 milion damage
and I don't think absorbing shields benefits from mitigation?
ionic fern
How on earth would it total out at 2 million damage?
still pagoda
hearty portal
assuming they hit through every proc in 1 attack
still pagoda
it's still garbage
ionic fern
No.
It's capped.
It's 1 (hasted) ppm.
That 550k you see on that screenshot is for the whole dungeon that lasted for 30m.
hearty portal
so how little damage did they do if they can hit that shield multiple times without breaking?
ionic fern
What?
ionic fern
I think you are confused.
ionic fern
Are you talking about the damage part
Or the shield part
....
Since we were discussing the shield part.
strong forum
The dmg dealing portion of the proc is going to be 1/4th of the shield portion
still pagoda
ionic fern
G a r b a g e.
still pagoda
orchid frigate
😄
onyx vessel
My guilds prot pally uses it for his defensive set
👀
No vers on it quality defensive set
ionic fern
I'm using it since it's my highest ilvl shield. 😒
hearty portal
@ionic fern I was talking about the damage and the shield part, since we know 1 proc is 5900 damage that means the same proc absorbed around 20k damage
if we divide that amount with your total damage done we get the amount of procs you had
hazy lake
is twilight 2 worth buying or is it gbetter to wait on 3
hearty portal
I said assuming that 1 hit breaks the shield. If that is a bad assumption just say so
but the math was extremly straight forward
ionic fern
I'm not sure where you are going with this or what your point it.
Yes, 1 hit breaks the shield.
ionic fern
??
The 550k is HEALING - it procced 23 times which is roughly 24k absorb per proc.
The damage procced 22 times for a total of 197k damage which makes it around 9k per proc.
??
still pagoda
430 electromental trinket does more
drowsy tartan
Vita/Humming black dragonscale or Vita and Pshychic shield?
pliant geyser
hey guys where do the warcraft logs go, like whats the file directory?
amber siren
logs go to retail/logs
hearty portal
@ionic fern sorry couldn't reply. Work xD
Yeah thats my mistake I thought the first meter contained damage, I just quickly glanced over it and totally ignored what abilities was in it beside the shield proc
ionic fern
👍
sweet summit
Potion of Bursting Blood, man i miss that potion
steep bone
What's best essences setup for pleb prot that's undergeared and is gearing up? I've acces to all essences kinda
sweet summit
VoP major
CnS+Lucid+Sphere/Aegis/Warden/Void
steep bone
and on how do i base my third pick (Sphere/Aegis/Warden/Void)?
sweet summit
Sphere/Aegis depends on how many mobs you will be pulling at a time, i think its 5 or 6 mobs where aegis is more stats.
Warden/Void is if you keed resistance. Void>>Warden if someone uses CoF or Breath major in your group
steep bone
even considering im quite undergeared (450)?
upper violet
Icy veins guide says to use vop in raids true or cof better
still pagoda
DPS wise, CoF gives more in raids
sweet summit
@steep bone yes
still pagoda
^
ionic fern
"General" and "Damage oriented".
still pagoda
basically, you will run damage oriented 99% of the time with current overgear of the raid tier :D
upper violet
I was looking at the specific bosses sry
I kinda just run a mix of them tbh
Dont have cns or nulification
steep bone
@sweet summit thank you
onyx vessel
Most ppl i run with use iris so i just stick to using warden
Null in Ml tyran prob worth
hearty portal
Is formless void bad in M+?
I'm pretty much going to give up on Conflict and strife atm
orchid frigate
thought i was going to do an easy lunch key
amber siren
@hearty portal formless void relies on consistent procs, which doesnt usually happen in m+ as dps tend to pop all their essences at the same time for big pulls (healers too) but if your healer is running crucible of flame, that will proc void often enough to be competitive with warden
hearty portal
Right, but lets say I'm not going to use conflict and strife which essences would you use with
Vision of Perfection in your Major slot
Aegis of the Deep, Memory of Lucid Dreams in minor
what would be the third?
amber siren
probably warden for corruption resist
hearty portal
aight ty
sand relic
iF I PLAY FURY AND TANK WHAT ESSENCE should i get first only essence i currently have is iris and crucible of flame rank 3 and rank 1 lucid and botd rank 1
for tanking m+ btw
sick sentinel
Vision
hearty portal
Most essences are spec specific
Like Bote I think is dps specific?
Vision is something you can use for both, but I don't think its used much as DPS
trail dome
hunter uses it a lot on ST
marble cipher
silly question but, without a pala (for freedom), how do you handle the slow from malignant growth in workshop where you have to go through the tiny building?
trail dome
BotE in aoe/m+ is p common tho
@marble cipher go through press avatar press taunt press shield slam & TC intervene one growth through the doorway intervene another growth then leap away
sand relic
so this is my alt im 455 should i go tank so its easeier to find groups faster ?
hearty portal
charge the growths and heroic leap? @marble cipher
trail dome
alternatively you can just do taunt > SS > TC then skystep
the things don't spawn instantly
sand relic
essence are a bit expensive so i cant decide if i should but essences for tank or fury first
marble cipher
I always try that, and get stuck somewhere with my back towards big boi 😄
hearty portal
Tank is better for getting groups yes
marble cipher
hm, could do that, does it break snares?
trail dome
the things don't spawn instantly
sweet summit
Itd be easier to get into pug groups as tank, so i always grab tank shit first @sand relic
sand relic
what essences shoul i get in order for m+ tanking ? @sweet summit
marble cipher
I usually run with a ret, and I get BoF from him, now I'm pugging, and notice it's an annoying part haha
trail dome
you can go through & skystep
your dps shouldn't be hitting buster until he's clear of the goop anyway
marble cipher
will get some speed pots for next pug run
trail dome
idk, it's a thing i noticed a lot going from the 15 > 20 range
orchid frigate
charge the cysts works fine
trail dome
that people would hit buster not realising that the goop now fucking hurts
and also that the tank has to run
orchid frigate
and/or intercept a group member
trail dome
🤷♂️
sweet summit
@sand relic get VoP by farming mechagon dungeons. Buy CnS>Lucid>Warden=Void>Sphere=Aegis imo
neon egret
Expedient II worth buying right now for 18-20 keys? Was only able to grab 1x TD2 from this week's vendor (that's all the TD I have), so not sure if I just save for TD1/TD3 in the next few weeks
sand relic
vop takes weeks to get i rather just buy it since i have it on my main
shouldnt i buy it first ?
sweet summit
No you can get it in like 3 hours max
amber siren
vop is just mechagon on mythic a few times right?
sand relic
so just do m+ workshop ?
sweet summit
Or junkyard, but yeah
sand relic
so get vision then cns then lucid
warden]
i like dpsign alot but how high of keys u think i can get in as pugs at 455 ?
cause i need to be farming atleast 12s but i doubt people will take me
sweet summit
Like 10-15
sweet summit
CoF major>Anima major
hearty portal
If thats your alt, isnt there essences you can buy?
hearty portal
Then I would buy the one that takes the longest to get
Which isn't the Mechagon one, I got that one quite fast
still pagoda
VoP R3 is doable in 2 hours
still pagoda
^
CnS > Lucid > Null(if you can't be bothered with doing Mechagon dailies) > Formless
alpine stag
Lucid might have value over CnS in boss heavy dungeons like workshop and kr
but ye, i love the CnS life
orchid frigate
if i die on the pull on ToS after the blob (by the first boss pack). is it safe to assume that the healer was stunned/asleep?
sweet summit
That or you didnt stop or dodge power shot
amber siren
power shot chunks, a lot of people don't notice it
sweet summit
Yep
still pagoda
^
orchid frigate
caus its "gray" and not kickable i guess
sand relic
doing dailys n stuff is alot faster as dps spec right like assaults and horrific visions ?
sweet summit
Wont make a big difference
still pagoda
won't make a difference on geared character
sand relic
so use vison major rank 1 https://gyazo.com/769b08a7b35dfde694e313fb46fc821a
then buy cns ?
amber siren
anima minor is big doodoo
sand relic
so buy strife first no matter what ?
sweet summit
Yes
sand relic
stife is also good for fury right ?
sweet summit
Yes
sand relic
next i buy is lucid than warden ?
amber siren
sweet summit
sand relic
since i only have 450 azerite should i use my 3k residum n get 460s ?
sweet summit
450 isnt too bad, id just wait til i could buy 475
orchid frigate
if i wanna make a walock for HS. how high up must i level it?
sweet summit
Healthstone
strong forum
My warlock is only moving by being summoned to dungeons
It's a tragedy
That the best use of their class is being a HS bot
orchid frigate
indeed
orchid frigate
whats the best thing to do as dps on shadh'har in p3 when the whole island is covered with green and you as melee get fixated?
green laurel
@mortal brook we normally pull the two mobs at the top of the stairs at the 3rd boss room. Then use Pilar
mortal brook
totes
slender finch
qq: for the gamer tanks would you trade bastion+clap 475 shoulders to replace 480 clap+clockwork heart shoulders ? (for overall dps)
strong forum
Obv
Mecha shoulders are among the best shoulders in the game
Carapace shoulders are meh at best
amber siren
ideally you'd be getting the dc on a different piece so you could get BoM and CwH on that but it's still an upgrade
still pagoda
Carapace shoulders can be kept for arms tho
stiff oracle
Skitra
orchid frigate
so mecha shoulders are the ones i should spend my residuum on?
sand relic
@sweet summit what azerite do i want to aim for from raid for m+ primary raid secondary ?
what bosses
strong forum
Nzoth mythic, maybe skitra mythic shoulders, vex myhic chest.
still pagoda
Skitra
@stiff oracle
I don't know how big of a noob a person can be not to kill Skitra on first mythic raid night of his guild that just cleared HC in one reset after forming, but technically i would want myself Mythic skitra shoulders right now
i have 3/12M myself
still pagoda
ehem... I didn't join such guild
stiff oracle
true that
still pagoda
i joined one casual 3/12M guild for now(as a DPS 
. They did clear 3/12M only last week that was also their first mythic week, so hopes are "high"), but don't know whether i will stick around with them or move over to some better guild already as a tank closer to SL release
still pagoda
- I couldn't find a place with tank spot available
- My DPS gear is really-really meh for now so i can't really move on
so
as a makeshift... It will work for now
i didn't stop lfg process on wowprogress and other stuff though
stiff oracle
probably gonna have a hard time finding a guild where you can insta start tanking. When I recruited for our top 200 world guild, we always recruited one tank as bench 🤷
still pagoda
well. It would be much harder on my former server and ally side in general
so i don't give up for now
stiff oracle
not telling you to give up 😄
stiff oracle
on another note, lucid is so slow to get rank 3
still pagoda
getting benched on Fetid due to outrage of one really-really toxic and childish officer
this also impacted my overall thoughts on whether i should stay on RU or not
since i have never seen such childish rage from a seemingly grown up man
and overall lack of any sense of community added on top of bruteforce type prog schedules also drove me away from RU servers
stiff oracle
One of my recruits ragequit mid raid because I called him roadhog 🤷
still pagoda
seriously :D
i would laugh a bit tbf
One of my recruits ragequit mid raid because I called him roadhog 🤷
@stiff oracle
i was poached by a better raiding guild a bit later on(4 nights/week still which i hate now after Uldir and BoD) and even got to prog on G'huun, but it fell apart after 500 pulls.
But honestly, now i will just slowly build it up from scratch again. Yes, it will take long, but still. Better than nothing
cosmic canyon
IF still good or did it get nerfed? If so, how did it get nerfed?
cosmic canyon
Hod?
strong forum
Heart of Darkness
cosmic canyon
Ah, I mean ineffable truth
strong forum
That's IT then :p
still pagoda
they're trying to nerf HoJ interaction
still pagoda
oh. Even better 
how much gold a 5 mask boost costs?
want to get some easy gold before reset(i'm broke right now)
cosmic canyon
80+% uptime on avatar/demo possible, stacking it?
brittle owl
you'd prob get more reliable uptime by memeing haste
strong forum
Not reliably
cosmic canyon
Guess if you don't play TD, and stack exp & it you could get quite high
still pagoda
Alright, gonna be annoying and ask sellers as a "buyer"(while not really being one :D)
holy crap
brittle owl
memeing IT is fun, but remember, if you're playing anything except TD with expedient/IT filler
you're memeing
still pagoda
~150k median price here on Kazzak
That's a fucking gold mine
i can get easy 300k rn
strong forum
I mean it's usually split between the boosters
still pagoda
but can you do this by yourself though?
i know that additional corpse in the group buffs all mobs and bosses
strong forum
I'm assuming you mean keys
still pagoda
5 mask runs
strong forum
I guess 🤷♂️
still pagoda
my prot is geared enough to steamroll through solo 5 masks with closed eyes and while being drunk
still pagoda
well, i'm broke and need at least some gold before reset
and selling SW 5 masks can be somewhat profitable
strange tide
Each extra person (in DPS spec) buffs enemy health by 120% in visions as well as a damage increase. If you’re boosting ask the boostee to spec healer/tank as that decreases the health & damage gain of enemies
You probably already know that, just thought I’d try and help
still pagoda
the only part i didn't know is that more tanks/healers - less scaling
though i know of scaled down health of mobs due to me running them as prot
strange tide
It’s something like 25% less for tanks and 40ish % less for healers
still pagoda
👀
so, technically, by bringing in that corpse as a healer, it won't even scale properly
hmmm...
gonna just sell 2 runs for around 150-200k if possible. There's a huge inflation here on Kazzak, so i see people selling 5 mask runs for 200k+
wintry ermine
I'm getting around 80% uptime on avatar with my meme expedient+IT set, no TD
sooooo much less damage, but feels kinda great
really high demo shout uptime as well
sick sentinel
yikes pugged an 18 ws for my weekly no leaver
still pagoda
yikes pugged an 18 ws for my weekly no leaver
@sick sentinel
now you feel it
now you feel what i feel every night
sick sentinel
oh i felt it, we timed the key because i was apparently giving out free carries
dk died on last obelisk to bugs exploding so i inted and pulled the boss without him
amber siren
sick sentinel
people dying to anti personel squirrel????
that actually happens?
i need to do this every week just to keep in touch with the people
still pagoda
shield is life
just as me finding buyer for 5 masks :D
maybe i will fish up one closer to evening
stiff oracle
I always stun the squirrels. I dont trust nobody to move
stiff oracle
Stormbolt 
candid edge
Should i be running Strength of the Warden?
sweet summit
If you need the resistance, sure
still pagoda
/2 on Kazzak looks like a pure shitposting pit, though i've seen the same back on Gordunni
exotic rapids
Probably a stupid question but you can not disable Thunderstruck when using Conflict Major, right?
toxic gyro
Cuz it keeps giving U double vers all the time on trash
toxic gyro
And u can range tank stuff like entire beginning of td
exotic rapids
Conflict major is hand down the best in m+
but the roots can cause problems in some cases
I just wanted to double check if I am missing sth
exotic rapids
Workshop. Positioning the mobs around the shield for example can get tricky
Sanguine and WS are to cases where I would love to disable the roots
toxic gyro
Don’t clap for 2sec and just move?
stiff oracle
^ lol
exotic rapids
Yes thank you...
stiff oracle
I never play conflict major on sanguine though.
exotic rapids
I honestly did not think of that solution myself
stiff oracle
Np man, happy to help ;)
toxic gyro
Anyway I wouldn’t play cns major unless I had full versatile corruptions and did really high keys
Or it was necrotic week
sick sentinel
Conflict major is largely a meme
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
There is no use case under a +25 key where you should ever use it
stiff oracle
In theory yes hawgz
toxic gyro
I mean I still like for necrotic weeks for some dungeons
stiff oracle
But if me playing conflict major is gonna make my 3 pug dpsers not get flopped by charge in AD for example. Im gonna play it
grand drum
Just snap
stiff oracle
Which has proven itself correct in several runs
sick sentinel
I pug as much as anyone and don’t have that problem
stiff oracle
Each to their own
modern brook
TBH Shaakez
sick sentinel
If you are playing conflict major for the root you are playing it for the wrong reasons. The vers I get (kind of because you really don’t need it) but the root is largely irrelevant
modern brook
thats the first real description of using cns ive ever seen
still pagoda
and even then this vers is not useful up until 25+ keys
sick sentinel
Then you and your group are playing poorly
stiff oracle
Wew
primal dune
Can we spend a second to talk about how a male warrior with avatar physically cannot fit through the dome in WS before the flesh detecting bot?
stiff oracle
Yeah not gonna bother discussing with you then lmao
still pagoda
if i see that pugs are shit at dodging stuff, then it's their problem
sick sentinel
I am not trying to throw shade, just stating a fact. Most things that can be stopped with a Tc root are avoidable
still pagoda
Can we spend a second to talk about how a male warrior with avatar physically cannot fit through the dome in WS before the flesh detecting bot?
@primal dune
Draenei females can't too
sick sentinel
If you can’t see that I am sorry
still pagoda
fell for that many-many times
grand drum
You can snap the mobs in AD. No need for cns major
primal dune
Smh my head can’t even get extra crit block for the spirit breaker add
sick sentinel
There is no (or very very very few) use case where you should use CnS major for the root
stiff oracle
I dont think you get what im saying honestly
Ive never said its the best, im not saying anyone should use it, I am saying I am using it for those reasons
What you play, i couldnt care less about for my own play
sick sentinel
That’s fine, but for the lurkers I am going to continue to say that is most likely not the optimal play and leave it at that
sick sentinel
No reason to use it,, we have leap
still pagoda
sphere, extrenal slows
grand drum
Bounding stride
modern brook
dont get hit 4head
still pagoda
^
stiff oracle
If I feel like playing confict in my AD, TD, whatever dungeon is gonna value the group as a whole more than me playing vop/lucid because its completely removed the oneshot mechanics then I'll do that lol
sick sentinel
Can also live through gross necrotic stacks as prot
Snapping removes one shots tho
So why not snap them and use a better major
stiff oracle
How do you expect me to snap the huge pack at the start of TD?
still pagoda
alright. After spamming manually for hour and a half, i'm just gonna install GRH and spam through it
stiff oracle
Is there a snap point for the mobs with priestess?
sick sentinel
The beach pull? You stand in there and kill it
modern brook
aoe stun on squeezes?
primal dune
Don’t forget fear
stiff oracle
Re-read my question jfc
modern brook
uhhh ok
primal dune
Why do you need to root on the beach?
sick sentinel
Read it
modern brook
u cant snap the pack at the start of td
there also isnt anything in those packs that one shots that isnt handleable outside of a root from tclap
sick sentinel
But there also isn’t a mechanic that your dps should be getting one hit by
Are you rooting them in TD so you don’t die or so your dps don’t die
Snapping comment was referring to AD
sinful rock
Sry, what do you guys mean by "snapping"?
left hatch
jumping onto a place thats normally unreachable to mobs
so they all teleport to the point
still pagoda
making mobs teleport to you by standing in inaccessible area
left hatch
and get confused
sick sentinel
Hey Morrison missed u
left hatch
o/
modern brook
👋
sinful rock
Juwt started to tank. Last time was vanilla Zul Gurub, so kind of lost :)
Oh ok. Thanks
left hatch
the big ones that are worth learning are AD for the saurids
modern brook
^
sick sentinel
Watch some videos of people like nerf tank and how they handle saurids
modern brook
though tbh you should probably worry about being cute after you got your class down
still pagoda
SotS for packs before first boss
left hatch
and right after lord WC theres a 'kinda' snap point where if your ranged stand in one of the alcoves in the back
modern brook
all the snaps in the world wont help you maintain block
left hatch
it turns off the leap/cleave of the puppers
modern brook
also in sots the packs after 1st boss
sick sentinel
The shrine snaps are huge brain and save a ton of time
modern brook
yeha
sinful rock
What kind of uptime should we be getting with block?
modern brook
cant wait for teaming shrine to be over, seen a lot of 2 head routes
left hatch
as much as possible
sick sentinel
Worry less about overall uptime
left hatch
better metric is % hits blocked
modern brook
^
sick sentinel
And make sure it’s up while you are tanking
modern brook
ITs not about having 100% uptime, its about not taking blockable damage without it up
not all daamge is blockable, and knowing what is comes from practice and homework
#268491842637660160 has a google sheet with what is blockable and SR-able on all bosses in all raids/dungeons
sick sentinel
Like two 600k thought harvesters melees :^)
modern brook
Though, melee and shoot/throw damage is blocakble so you're going to want to keep it up while face tanking
is it 🐝 value time?
sinful rock
Ok. Well thats good to know. Been spamming it as much as possible till now. Need to learn more mechanics then. Thanks for the info guys. 8 years hiatus takes it toll
primal dune
Almost all the fence tops in junkyard is also snappable
modern brook
nvm i deleted all my ss's from raid tanking :^(
primal dune
But only for obelisk bosses
primal dune
I mean you just snap them after kiting them to the end
Not like you gain any benefit from hitting one snapped boss
Almost anything you can jump on will snap the obelisk boss
Pillar in the crocodile room in TD
Box in corner next to add pack after detection bot in WS
sick sentinel
can snap obelisk bosses in almost every dungeon in one place or another
still pagoda
or even bug them out
steep bone
Is there any haste breakpoint to maintain 100% of shield block or it's impossible or what do I do while it's not up?
amber siren
it's not possible
if you can't SB, you use LS, if you can't use either you fill with CDs
steep bone
what about ignore pain?
sick sentinel
Use it to dump rage
steep bone
because in healing meters it's my 1# healing being far ahead of everything else, I don't have trinkets or bis gear tho
strong forum
We don't heal.
strong forum
Ignore pain will always be 40%+ of your healing meter if you want a number badly
And if you care about that, which you shouldn't
strong forum
Ye you dump unnecessary rage into IP
To avoid rage capping
And cycle more through AM to get CDs back up quickly
steep bone
not so familiar with shorts, what's AM?
strong forum
Anger management
strong forum
1 of the talents that makes current prot warrior the reason the powerhouse it is
steep bone
so basically shield block, shield slam, thunder clap, ignore pain to not overcap rage. What about revenge, do i use it only with proc or?
if that matters im speaking about dungs
sweet summit
revenge when its free, or when you want to spend rage to gain damage if you're barely taking damage
steep bone
okay, thunder clap off cd st?
And what about rotating def cds, besides that i need to learn which pulls are lethal
sick sentinel
sweet summit
SS>TC on ST for damage
TC>SS in AoE for damage
SS will be more rage overall but 🤷♀️
sick sentinel
jolt is kinda unreliable
doesnt it go un random
just cleanse the shield and go for TD2?
marsh smelt
I've heard Sporepods is bad, but I assume that much STR is still an upgrade?
sick sentinel
and it only works when we arent specifically targeted by it?
sweet summit
correct
sick sentinel
ty
marsh smelt
😦 nice weekly chest
sick sentinel
sporepods is such a meme id only keep it for the item level when queueing up for pugs
steep bone
you made me feel bad for using my sporepods now 
sick sentinel
you should
sick sentinel
another tos boss question: should I keep the 2 bosses together during mage combustion and just tell the other dps not to cleave?
i wouldn't listen to anyone who tells you it is good
steep bone
@sick sentinel yes
sweet summit
i keep them close for mage combust and DH bladedance
steep bone
as a fire mage ex main if tank split them for comb i felt like alt+f4
sick sentinel
what does blade dance do in this case?
sweet summit
damage
sick sentinel
so it doesnt proc the light shield?
sweet summit
thats what the DHs keep telling me, idk
sick sentinel
it's weird because apparently the moonfire cleave from moonkin does proc it
sweet summit
yeah
sick sentinel
and sunfire doesnt so idk how it works
steep bone
cries in frost mage doing big damuj with splitting ice glacial spike
sweet summit
wtf is frost mage
steep bone
a thing that was better early expac
languid vortex
We made it boys, at long last
sick sentinel
So, i'm at -16 cr and i have this, puts me to 59, should i remove stars and add td2 for +35?
steep bone
Isn't IS absolutely potato atleast for how much it costs for what it gives
sweet summit
its very very bad in m+
decent on some bosses
can rng your way to insane parses on said bosses
steep bone
only boss that i think of is actually xanesh and doggo however doggo lives too short
sick sentinel
perfect, all i need to know
sweet summit
wrathion, maut, skitra, xanesh, chadhar, ra-den
steep bone
i never got to high stack on anything but xanesh, 
next stone
Is racing pulse 2 a cleanse. Big gear upgrade but the corruption is too much
sweet summit
its decent, not as good as twilight dev tho
steep bone
if you're on corruption topic, should i go for td or versa stack early on?
next stone
Yeah but I feel td 3 is the most worth
steep bone
doesn't more than one td on lower rank proc better?
orchid frigate
Ah good to know
next stone
Procs on attacks, so having more haste can give you more attacks technically
warm plinth
Guys, please can I get a moment of silence for my lost Bastion of Might trait
orchid frigate
Thought I saw something on wowhead about that you should get low rank TD
But can be mixing things up
steep bone
I don't remember, I've heard that somewhere
orchid frigate
True
next stone
Yeah ^^, youll just run out of gear eventually if you keep buying corruption
warm plinth
Doesn't really matter what ranks you want; but if you want to make multiple sets, having lower ranks is better for flexibility
Especially since stacking TD doesn't take up a lot of gear slots
still pagoda
Lights went off. Guess i'm not going to do 5 mask boosts today
orchid frigate
More challenging to do them in the dark
steep bone
just turn lights on 4Head
orchid frigate
See it as the 6th mask
still pagoda
It's an outage in the whole gardenship
orchid frigate
No one said it was going to be easy
sick sentinel
Hey peeps. So i was in this discord back in the days when i was playing retail and i just came back about a week and a half ago. Running m+'s and raiding HC. I read somewhere when i was in here last time about what benefits block yields. Cannot seem to find the info, any1 perhaps got a link or such or mind explaining it for me again? 😳
sweet summit
Block value gives you damage reduction based on the amount of block value you have and the type of content you are doing
damage reduction on blocked attacks*
primal dune
Mouse over the stat in game will give you a pretty detailed explanation
Icy veins too
sick sentinel
Yes, but there was some formula that someone explained to me so i could more easily compare benefits. Ofc i understand that the stat block yields block chance etc. But I was told that 5 ilvls on a shield trumps any secondary stat due to X formula etc.
warm plinth
Block / (Block + K) = Damage reduction from block
sick sentinel
Or is that generally just cause a higher ilvl means higher block which in turns mean more mitigated dmg as in = win
warm plinth
Yes, higher ilevel shield = more damage blocked
sick sentinel
Yes higher ilvl shield = higher block = higher DR
sweet summit
block value (shield ilvl) is the biggest part of a prot warriors mitigation
primal dune
Cries in shadow of zul
sick sentinel
Yeah ok ty boys, always helpful 🙂
primal dune
Disc priest left after third wipe on zul before reset
And we killed zul that pull too
sick sentinel
And when we are on topic. Zul, anyway to mitigate that insane dmg output other then demo shout and spell reflect?
warm plinth
Rotate CDs, spam IP, wish you were a VDH
sweet summit
crying
primal dune
Literally it
steep bone
can't you keep taunting and outranging?
primal dune
If you have disc priest you’re fucked
sick sentinel
Vdh: stands with hands on air
Yeah, just wondered if there was something i missed 😛
warm plinth
Well, running away like a bitch is what you do when your CDs are gone and he's still not dead
sick sentinel
Run away if you’re a beta
sweet summit
this
sick sentinel
Commit or throw the key
primal dune
We cycled through pain suppression, bubble, darkness, shield wall, last stand, two spell reflections
And I still died
warm plinth
Sounds like he lived too long tbh
steep bone
better to be alive beta than dead alpha
sweet summit
did you lust him
primal dune
Yeah DH had less dps than me
sick sentinel
Incorrect
steep bone
right?
sweet summit
nah id rather die
sick sentinel
admike, what key was this?
Can’t learn to be an alive alpha if you are using beta strats
primal dune
14
primal dune
Rogue and hunter pulled 48k average the whole run
fair drift
hi guys, one question! is it worth to go for versatility or itemlvl?
sweet summit
ilvl
primal dune
DH and I sat on 35k
sweet summit
thats bod dps
sweet summit
it is?
primal dune
The DH has 2.8k IO main man
warm plinth
Yeah
sweet summit
damn
steep bone
main io
primal dune
I trusted him
sick sentinel
I had two players in an 18 yesterday below 40k dps
sweet summit
how do you play dh bad
primal dune
But he couldn’t even interrupt
steep bone
but doing no dps as dh? how is that possible 
primal dune
And died twice to the 4 guardians at start
sweet summit
what
steep bone
you literally press 2 buttons xD
sweet summit
those do 0 damage to anyone thats not the tank
sweet summit
unless you turn them or he runs in front of them
sick sentinel
How do ineffable truth or whatever work with anger management currently and will it be worth running post-nerf?
strong forum
There was and will be no nerf
steep bone
getting hit by big ass frontal with long charge lul
primal dune
Nerfs cancelled
strong forum
It's still very good
warm plinth
During the proc, AM gives you 1.3/1.5 seconds off your CDs for every 10 rage instead of 1 second
That's how it works with IT
primal dune
DH died 7 times the whole run
sick sentinel
Oh really O.o totally missed that, ty 😄
primal dune
Before the zul wipes
sick sentinel
How!? O.o
warm plinth
It was just announced today I think
sick sentinel
@primal dune
I also see that most or all prot warrs currently don't run VoP major, is this due to ineffable + Anger?
sweet summit
VoP is a great go-to essence
primal dune
2 to 4 guardians, 1 before first boss cuz DC, died to slime, 2 wipes on next adds, then third boss
upper violet
i got vita bois
strong forum
Vop is the go-to essence for anything below 21
upper violet
sweet summit
Lucid is better if youre doing very large pulls and need avatar and IP spam
@upper violet 
sweet summit
the DREAM
primal dune
I got vita and scale, and sometimes my haste is so quick I swear I can use TC every GCD
That or it’s the 300 OCE ping
sweet summit
you can with ineffable and some haste
i think its rank2 and like 50% haste or something
primal dune
What’s the new mother rotation
sweet summit
sick sentinel
So generally i should still be using VoP major? I'm currently running 13-15's and still pretty undergeared
primal dune
Well guess my fury’s getting a buff
sweet summit
yeah, just stick to VoP for now mate
primal dune
Does that include into the fray?
sick sentinel
@sweet summit thx for all the feedback, appriciate it ^^
sweet summit
primal dune
Should I stack that rank 3 IS to pad my metres?
amber siren
ew no
steep bone
IS is garbo
sweet summit
but i was dissapointed
primal dune
I like how it doesn’t proc on dummies
sweet summit
it does on orderhall dummies
primal dune
That or I’ve gone 10 min without proccing
steep bone
i mean it's garbo unless you're playing with terrible pug that kills bosses just before enrage timer and its only single target or enjoy spread 1-2 stacks on everything but not main target
sweet summit
proof that TD>IS dont @ me
primal dune
I squandered my echos on my 3 failed 5 masks runs
When I realised rank 2 TD was on sale it was too late
By my calculation I could’ve made it if I completed 2 +13s every hour for 9 hours yesterday
strong forum
F
primal dune
I didn’t
proven breach
well not a shield i really needed but it's an upgrade
primal dune
Have to sit on my shitty 450 shield with TD for a while now
proven breach
strong forum
Good enough
sweet summit
oh thats large
amber siren
ohright the gw nerf went through today right?
proven breach
still sitting with a 460 shield though 😦
sweet summit
idk tbh
upper violet
what r the new affixes doe
proven breach
skittish bursting
strong forum
Numbers check out to be nerfed
orchid frigate
Damn just learnt that the Azerite vendor also has a pool
strong forum
475 GW should've been 18k+ dot
sweet summit
yea looks like it is
orchid frigate
Never thought of checking that
strong forum
According to my calculaschions 
the math checks out
proven breach
sitting at 20 corruption with GW TD 3 and Exp 3 so a racing pulse or 2 or a Exp 2
decisions decisions
strong forum
Expedient
primal dune
Theoretically would TD just trump everything else?
And would it be better to use last stand for more TD damage than for block up time
And rally cry on CD
sick sentinel
You don’t need to do that
amber siren
there's no real way to predict a TD proc
sick sentinel
Those are better used defensively
primal dune
Why be defensive when they can be dead
amber siren
like that might be an option for trivial content
proven breach
sitting at 64% haste with fray
amber siren
but you don't know when or if TD is going to proc
sick sentinel
Typically is my strategy but if you pop it offensively and don’t get a proc that is a mcwaste
And only betas waste
primal dune
What’s the proc calculation with haste?
amber siren
big speed plays
proven breach
wow nice
sick sentinel
Boots come with speed don’t they
primal dune
I am speed
unreal parrot
No, I am speed
primal dune
Do you even run bounding stride bro?
strong forum
Everything can proc speed
grand drum
Those gloves are guaranteed to have speed
sick sentinel
That’s what I meant
Question can you roll more speed on the speed gloves for ultimate speed
primal dune
Like out run obelisk boss speed?
unreal parrot
@sick sentinel shit that's actually a good question
high nacelle
grand drum
yea its based on max
primal dune
I suddenly have a flashback to when a 1M health Druid one shot me with 3 consecutive twilight procs
Good times
craggy harness
still technically a three shot ;P
long bronze
yo what the heck are the odds of getting the same garbage 480 chest in a row
I feel like I'm being memed by ion
sweet summit
warm plinth
I got arterial protection today if that makes you feel any better
Lost a BoM trait too because my old chest was 450 :/
chilly brook
still pagoda
stiff gate
475 dragonscale vs 465 rezan's with socket and leech, i do mostly keys in the 18-21 range
sweet summit
thats a sim yo self if you ask me
pliant geyser
is it worth it losing 1 bastion trait for 15 ilvl gain on azerite gear
sweet summit
ilvl>bom
tame garden
Np
pliant bane
when you do the huge tol dagor pack at the start in a +19/20 whatever
what cooldown prio do you go for?
im not sure what order of cds to use to ensure i dont die
pliant bane
vs 30 of these mobs?
sweet summit
you dont insta die if you tank for a bit
pliant bane
yea
sweet summit
the scary part is the croc bites and the root
sick sentinel
Yeah being able to block things isn’t a prob it’s the debuff from them gators
Cot damn allimgaters
sweet summit
you can use shockwave vs the roots and kite once you get some stacks of the bite
strong forum
Don't forget to use your fear as an interrupt aswell
limpid pawn
So For tol Dagor if you pull like half the beach, you need to get solid aggro on everything with some big claps but then kite ASAP
sick sentinel
Sigh
limpid pawn
CNS major is def good for there
sick sentinel
Sigh
strong forum
Ye you can literally pull the entire beach and not take a single point of dmg
sick sentinel
It’s fine at best there imo
stiff oracle
Hahahah sorry hawkgz but that made me laugh
sick sentinel
But that’s ok
sweet summit
yep
strong forum
Just trololo in circles
sick sentinel
@stiff oracle tbh I chucked a bit too
stiff oracle
😄
stiff oracle
sick sentinel
Alpha strats
stiff oracle
stiff oracle
Just bring 3x mage
strong forum
1x UH DK and a fire mage
sick sentinel
Then I have to pay attention to combustion
strong forum
ez game
sick sentinel
Hate combustion
stiff oracle
3x udk
sick sentinel
Excellent
strong forum
i hate that mage doesnt do ANY dmg outside of combust...
sweet summit
mages 👏 are 👏 not 👏 people
strong forum
literally below the healer.
stiff oracle
I legit hate having mages in my grps
sick sentinel
Udk drops d&d... my job as a tank is to kite out of it
stiff oracle
It just doesnt feel right
strong forum
cant wait for blizz to remove fire mage in SL
stiff oracle
Good hawk
sweet summit
correct hawgz
strong forum
and them being arcane bois again
stiff oracle
sick sentinel
Do they even still have that ability
strong forum
na but from the looks of it, fire mage will be dead, frost and arcane will be the play
sick sentinel
Hawgmage is strictly a frost mage
devout gull
I tried to see if this was in the FAQ at all, looking at the M+ leaderboard they are all stacking vers, is that a thing that everyone should do if they just want to do 15-20s or is that only if you are trying to push high?
sweet summit
+27 keys is another universe than +20 keys
devout gull
exactly why i'm asking the question...
sweet summit
no you dont stack verse in "normal" keys
sick sentinel
Can confirm stacking vers is beta strats
devout gull
so if that's the case then the biggest thing to worry about would be IT and TD?
devout gull
pls sir no jail, only came back 4 weeks ago
sick sentinel
3 TD instead of 4? Believe it or not jail
devout gull
waiting to wear this until I can handle the corruption, coming in late to the cloak game hurts
pliant geyser
whats better, a 2nd brace for impact or 1 bloodsport?
wraith hemlock
are you going vs melee or magic?
pliant geyser
honestly its for general use in mythics and raiding
im not really gonna swap for them because the gear piece isnt even that good
more of a placeholder for now
stiff oracle
^
vocal laurel
Question, is there a soft cap % for haste??
pliant geyser
okay
stiff oracle
166% i guess
vocal laurel
lord lol
stiff oracle
Ye that
vocal laurel
lmao, thanks!
stiff oracle
I got like 2800haste and it hurts me that I had to remove expedient 3 to get another td
Haste***
vocal laurel
But why 166%, is that the number needed to keep shield block up 100%?
gloomy holly
Does anyone have any thoughts on the mechagon shield, with only one secondary stat (mastery), but the overload effect? I pulled a 475 w/socket + surging vitality 3 out of my box today.
strong forum
166% is when you can chain SBs back to back to back yes
stiff drum
how much TD do we want to run ?
stiff drum
i have a TD3 and a TD2, but no corruption resistance to run both 😦
pliant geyser
does the dmg prevent from intimidating presence stack?
strong forum
yes
pliant geyser
oh cool
next yacht
is there any reason to keep the faralos corruption?
stiff drum
so i have a 475 weap with TD2, and 564 with TD3. probably should cleanse one. but dont know which
next yacht
its basically td1 but worse?
stiff drum
so difficult
vocal laurel
Does having two TDs increase the frequency or damage?
vocal laurel
Ah ty
gloomy holly
Thanks for the feedback on the shield! Sucks that the proc rate is so low. I'm still going to use it because ilvl.
strong forum
yes
gloomy holly
The tooltip says it's based on successful blocks and i thought "oh, i block a lot of attacks, this might be great"
gloomy holly
😢
proud heart
what essences would you take for a 18 UR with pugs?
grand drum
the usual
proud heart
Lucid+CS/Warde/VoP?
devout gull
Since I already have a TD3 piece and only have a rank 8 cloak is it still a terrible idea to use my echoes on a vessel to get my cloak to rank 15 asap?