really? vita better than dragon
#protection
carmine cipher
i dont wanna try get maut trinket or the one from underrot?
left hatch
maut is a worse version of LPS
and pretty meh
and vial is.... great for pumping but kinda annoying to use
you can't macro it onto avatar or you lose most of its value so you have to use it manually
unless you mean sporepods
which is 
carmine cipher
yeah i meant sporepods sorry
amber siren
sporepods is v v bad
carmine cipher
nvm xD
on jes howler it just gives so much vers which i can use inbetween shield walls
or BloodThirsty Urchin from Ashvane
carmine cipher
better than void titan shard xD
left hatch
but not as good as vita+scale or vita+block
carmine cipher
yeah ill chuk vita on
civic jasper
scale + block is still a good option without vita, yeah?
amber siren
yeah that's fine
left hatch
mhm
vita just has an edge over the others because of the stat budget and share the love factor on it
pliant geyser
anyone know how to fix it when typing /simc doesnt do anything in game? i checked and my simc is updated
civic jasper
Appreciate it
amber siren
no idea monkey, just make sure youre running it on retail and not classic, you have the addon enabled and you arent making any typos
pliant geyser
i have simcdungeon journal, simCompare, simcTrinketcomparison
retail and just sitting outside atal dazar
no macro just typing /simc
amber siren
the only addon you need for simulationcraft is the addon simulationcraft
pliant geyser
have no way to open the ui apparently
pliant geyser
is that different than the simCompare one?
amber siren
ive never used simcompare so i have no idea
pliant geyser
ohh you type /compare i guess to open it i think
pliant geyser
is there any way to change the ilvl of an item in the item line?
willow gust
Hello guys just a question
Tank buster affix in mythic+ : do our spell reflect mitigate by 20% the damage of this ability ?
It is considered like shadow damage so ....
sharp night
if you're talking about spirit breaker no, it's physical
and you can just run out of dark fury and take 0 damage..
sharp night
like what?
willow gust
The strike from 4th waycrest manor boss
sharp night
that's nature
modern brook
The only physical ability that was sr able is grong on horde side
Because its shadow on alliance and they didnt change the spell id
Or something idr
willow gust
And here is shadow damage no ?
modern brook
But theres some trivia for you
willow gust
Wow head said thats shadow
modern brook
🤷♂️ it's not reflectable either way
sharp night
willow gust
Yeah
sick sentinel
sobr?
hallow phoenix
siege
sick sentinel
Siege is... typically more difficult for people
hallow phoenix
im guessing
sick sentinel
But Can be made easy with good execution
sick sentinel
20s are pretty low
lavish oracle
20s aren't really low but they're not huge
sturdy dome
It was actually quite a breeze
I just ran cns major got used to pulling back when I was running out of SB charges
calm magnet
Should I cleanse the corruption?
hidden plaza
It's not bad, believe it comes down to what else you have
calm magnet
Im running td2 ,td1 and exp 3
so i kinda have to make room for this ring if i equip it
this would be the one replaced if ever
sturdy dome
What would be recommended to run for essences in a 20 WCM?
Cns major / vop minor w/ warden & null?
novel storm
Does the ilvl > stat apply when there's a socket involved?
sweet summit
Depends
sturdy dome
Now w/ lucid major do I just yeet a giant ass pull and spam IP?
slender finch
pretty much
slender finch
well you dont really want to spam shieldblock but to keep it up 100% y
oblique garnet
Id personally play conflict major in waycrest over lucid
sick sentinel
conflict is good for waycrest as your kiting room is very limited and once you run out of stuff, it's kinda hard to move
without it
sick sentinel
@warm plinth im here I just put this discord at the bottom of my list in a random folder
cosmic coral
do the adds that come out of the cages during Jes Howlis fight in Tol Dagor count for %? or do they only count for % if you have a rogue or locksmith take them out b4 the fight?
sweet summit
if you do them before the boss they count as trash mobs and give %, if you let the boss open they are part of the boss encounter so they dont give %
cosmic coral
kk ty
still pagoda
You open them anyway since they can cause a wipe
cosmic coral
is vision major good to keep in higher keys? im thinking of running lucid major for higher keys
sweet summit
both are good, lucid is harder to utilize tho
cosmic coral
yea ik, but im sure i can use it for certain big pulls, am i right in thinking of it as a defensive? cause of the leech and rage generation, lot of ignore pains
daring marlin
cosmic coral
does TD count for leech?
cosmic coral
boo, thx for info tho
how hard do tidesage enforcers hit in shrine ? with their deep smash ability
trail dome
Watching people kite all of them on teeming this week is nervewracking
cosmic coral
does the last door in Underrot open when enemy forces are 100% or when the faceless corrupters are dead?
cosmic coral
would a 450 haste mastery TD1 > 470 haste mastery Surging vitality 3?
sweet summit
id take td
cosmic coral
what if you already have TD4 without that TD1
sweet summit
ye, td owns
idle void
@left hatch thanks for the input. I forgot to mention this was an off-set. I currently run BoM and Anger Management on my main set with appropriate flasks. I definitely see the pitfalls of this build as a ran multiple keys and felt how slow it was not having IG, Avatar, and Last stand uptime. I think I'm going to hold onto it for now and see if I can get some IF stacks to see if I can use ravager. It's nice talking prot with people who know what they are doing
trail dome
yeah i have a really bad habit of pulling to like 99% in UR
and then being like great we get 100% from last boss with obelisk
muted forge
Hey, i'm tanking around 15s atm, should i stack Versatile or Haste corruptions?
i see most, if not all of the top players run Versatile but i heard thats only preferable in 20+ keys
muted forge
yea i have TD3 / TD2 /TD1 available, but for gaps i wasnt sure Expedient or Versatile and whether its worth buying the 9% haste expedient atm
left hatch
for 15's expedient or IT
but only IT1 (if you want more stack more iterations of IT1)
IT2 isn't cost effective
last mason
Is it worth dropping 5 ilvls on haste mastery boots for crit vers expedient 3 boots
475 vs 470
I’d go over 40 corruption for it
strong forum
that you have to know yourself
if you can deal with the TFB comfortably
if yes, then it is worth offensively
still pagoda
^
you can test it by running 58-59 corruption
if the only dungeons you died in due to TFB's are WCM and TD, then you're fine
junior rose
Trying to get the hidden artifact appearance by entering the cave. I have level the 5 Artifact weapon, I read the stone tablet, and I've been entering every day for a few weeks now. Does the chance for the shield to spawn happen once per day? Week? Every few minutes/hours? Should I be checking more than once per day?
strong forum
iirc they changed it to be a daily thing
amber siren
yep its a daily check
junior rose
Got it, thanks! Also, just cause I'm paranoid, my Artifact weapon should be level 5, but is there a way to double check/confirm it?
junior rose
Last time I tried that it showed the weapon being drained
strong forum
also im pretty sure with the artifact level, its meant artifact knowledge
and that was way in the past in legion
so it shouldnt be any actual requirement anymore
warm plinth
Yeah artifact knowledge requirements aren’t a thing anymore
junior rose
ah okay; I forget, is Artifact Knowledge character specific? I played a fair amount in Legion, but not my Prot Warrior too much sadly.
warm plinth
Just check once per day after the daily reset
warm plinth
You can’t even level legion artifact knowledge anymore
junior rose
ah okay, so Artifact level and knowledge don't matter anymore for getting the appearance, it's just pure RNG now
strong forum
ye
still pagoda
it was pure RNG even back then
warm plinth
Yes it’s basically a proc for a daily quest and you either get the daily quest where the shield is there or the daily quest where it’s not.
still pagoda
since knowledge5 was achievable early on into the expansion
strong forum
i mean it wasnt really rng, you could brute force logout spam it
i got it day1 within 30minutes
of when it was possible
warm plinth
Yeah imagine it not taking 3 months
strong forum
😏
warm plinth
😠
strong forum
just be ahead of the curve 
warm plinth
Hey just be happy that you’re not a windwalker. I had to do that stupid withered training every 3 days for like forever before I got my monk’s hidden appearance
still pagoda
^
mortal brook
poor tankadins too
still pagoda
and BDK's
sick sentinel
i did a sim for all the gear in my bags, and this is what it gave me, haven't applied my td 2 yet
strong forum
dungeon slice is generally not recommended to sim
strong forum
1 target 2-3 min lust
5 targets 1min no lust
and then draw your conclusion yourself
sick sentinel
sim patchwerk then?
warm plinth
Yes, patchwerk with 1 target and patchwerk with 5 targets
wooden sky
i know this isnt the right place but any decent tanks online to tank a toldagor 10?
still pagoda
warm plinth
😂
strong forum
vulpera op
warm plinth
For sure
wooden sky
big f on your account @sick sentinel
hidden kindle
is there anything special to the spell reflect on the storm elemental in shrine? when I try it it does almost 0 damage, when I see ppl do it on stream it does millions
hidden kindle
yea ofc but so does the hp of the mob
i tried it on 22 this week and it didnt nothing almost
sweet summit
so did I, and it died right after my 3rd reflect
hidden kindle
strange
ornate ferry
can also use flame essence on healing boss in ICC
strong forum
tru
warm plinth
@hidden kindle are you reflecting the correct thing? It’s not the storm that you’re reflecting but rather the electrifying shock that he does, right?
orchid frigate
grr for some reason anguish pools are dropped on nzoth so we cant circle back
sweet summit
yeah thats true pinky
last mason
Is lucid minor ever worth dropping for sphere minor for dmg boost or not worth
orchid frigate
so annoying that you auto run if you have alt tabbed out during loading screen
tidal jackal
thats weird
ancient shoal
How do I know what spires spawn where in Siege with the last boss? On which platform? Or is it always on the first one if we do less than two?
sweet summit
nah each spire is a set guy. i dont remember exactly who spawns where tho 
compact oak
sweet summit
TD5 or TD3+IT1+something
still pagoda
TD4+2xExp2 or TD4+Exp2/3+IT1 is also possible
sweet summit
EV is kinda shit
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
its slightly better than TD on ST, but way worse in AoE
so we just like TD way more
pliant geyser
what's EV again
sweet summit
echoing void
sweet summit
no it does not
pliant geyser
okay, just have bad luck then
warm plinth
Yeah unfortunately there are 52 different corruptions (not counting the ny'alotha weapon ones) so you have approximately a 5.7% chance to get Twilight Devastation (of any rank)
grand drum
just farm 30k echoes by tuesday 😃
mild river
Does anyone have a video/clip of a protection warrior soloing the storm elemental in shrine?
limpid pawn
Do you guys kite shadow of zuul in high keys
Like barely get out of range as he casts
I’m talking in 21+ keys
Fortified
sweet summit
might have to depending on healer
mild citrus
Yo guys. I saw so many tank cleansed their TD and bought versatile. Warrior is my alt, I'm not doing 20+ runs with him. Should I go for vers too?
ionic fern
´Who on earth cleansed their TD?
grand drum
if you're doing keys lower than 25, stay TD
warm plinth
You saw tanks cleanse TD? Kinda doubt that
undone sun
👀
mystic finch
he probably means tanks wearing vers mostly and no TD
mild citrus
For and example, I guess all we know him, Nerftank has no TD anymore. He has 5 versatile.
mystic finch
which is what i was about to ask as well lol
ionic fern
Soooooon.
warm plinth
Well, to answer your question directly, no, you shouldn't go for vers too
But like...people gotta think about these stat corruptions. The people who are doing content that they need vers for are also running vers-heavy gear sets because 12% of nothing is still nothing.
Like you don't just equip vers% and lolgoodtogo
mystic finch
i see your point
ionic fern
mild citrus
I know the way of using versatility on tanks. Now I main hunter and after that vendor comes all of our items has changed and we come with a new corruption build to play. I just wonder something like that happened for warriors too.
You know before vendor people could think that finding 6 versatile impossible and do not rush for it.
warm plinth
Not really. The corruption builds that exist have existed for a while now. But it's just more accessible to more people now which is enabling higher keys to be done because people can actually survive now. But for people who aren't doing those cutting edge keys, it's not needed.
So unless you're doing like 25s or thereabouts, you don't have to worry about anything but TD
undone sun
for bear, but it's not much different for any other tank https://i.imgur.com/yWVMHGj.png
upper violet
Ok thyme
undone sun
quiet david
upper violet
Bear can suck my balls
mild citrus
@ionic fern, @warm plinth Thanks for your helps. ^^
upper violet
U ever pug and top dps on overall xdd love wow
On a more serious note
Hows the fang trinket
From tos
upper violet
Figures
My trinkets are scuffed
No vita only dragon
The other choice is dresgath
Gotta farm atal
mild citrus
I never tried fang actually but all people I saw using fang was DH. They pop BotE>Fang>Fel Barrage. ggwp.
upper violet
yeah but they get dumb haste so it works for them
warm plinth
You can use fang as a warrior; just have to make sure you play around the fact that you'll have no ability to dodge/block/parry for the duration of the channel. Can counteract that with a stun
last mason
How long is the cast time on it
upper violet
scales with haste but its like 2.3 sec or something
last mason
Meh, I’d just stick with my scale and block, and maybe vial if I want big dam
Channeling seems sketchy
slender finch
@undone sun well i cant neccessarily agree
With just stacking td unless doing 25+
because if you play at your skillcap with ppl at similar skillcap
You will have a hard time surviving
so should think through corruption choices
warm plinth
Just to clarify here, are you saying that it'll be hard to survive if your group is bad?
slender finch
no
its just not as black and white as stated
when you play with ppl that are capable of doing 26+ yeah they will hit the point where they cant survive due to the game limits right
but when you are lets say a player that can just do 21s with a group that can just do 21s
its not like you can just braindead run full dps corruption because you know, they wont play at the limits like ppl that do 26s
if you get the idea
like im just tanking 15~18s so in 15s i just run td5 all offensive traits dps trinkets
but in 18s when I did so I just died very often because you know, the players are just not as good, they wont adapt/notice things fast to give you external, crowd control etc pp
so for those keys might as well run some defense
warm plinth
I mean, that's basically you saying you're dying because your group is bad though. Playing defensively is a crutch if you aren't doing high level keys. More effort should be focused on improving the mistakes your group is making rather than just saying it's required for you to run a defensive corruption build at that level.
slender finch
im just pugging everything anyway and it doesnt mean the group is bad
theres different keylevels, different skill-levels in players
warm plinth
If you're needing to run a defensive build in content that doesn't require a defensive build, then there are mistakes being made somewhere.
slender finch
players that are just good enough to play 20s will run into the same issues @20s that 5,5k ppl will run into at 26s
last mason
Would you even say people who do high keys play defensively? I feel like watching the way they need to pull is pretty aggressive
You can’t really play safe
Or you won’t time it
warm plinth
Well, defensively meaning you are equipping things that help you survive. Defensive vs offensive is different than passive vs aggressive
last mason
yea that’s a better way of phrasing it
slender finch
yeah and i only have xp at 21/22 keylevel
but yet to deplete 1 key because of lacking dps
always depleting due to deaths or failures so
last mason
I was watching rad do a 25 ml today and they did the triple rock lance pack pull which was pretty aggressive, which was what I was thinking about when I was typing
slender finch
might as well put defensive corruptions and time
hallow phoenix
How do you guys pull trash in second boss' room in temple?
slender finch
big pull lust
warm plinth
^
slender finch
(for 21/22 that is)
hallow phoenix
lust aint up when we get there and we were gonna save it for the 5 pull in 3rd boss' room
slender finch
dunno if u need lust for ele in higher keys
hallow phoenix
yeah 22 temple
warm plinth
Can probably do like
slender finch
lust*
hallow phoenix
You had lust up by the time you got to ele room?
warm plinth
2 pulls if you need to? Guess it depends on if your group can handle the spit
slender finch
yeah
hallow phoenix
I tried breaking it into two pulls in a 21 and we kinda fell flat
hallow phoenix
seemed like a throughput issue so lust might fix it
warm plinth
Are you dying to spit or you dying?
warm plinth
Well spit is really the difficult part of that room. Everything else is avoidable
Shit will truck a DPS if they get multiples on them; it's the same as someone getting a bunch of maggot spit in WCM
slender finch
yeah
luckily with most comps i play with not that big of an issue
temple was with pala hunter rogue warr dps
so yeah fk warr, rest can live
😄
slender finch
dont pull patrol
sick sentinel
does the patrol pull if the worm pulls?
last mason
No
warm plinth
If you do that route, go back into the corner and drop the portal there
And then you can pull the defiler back there and kill it before patrol comes back, then do patrol and worm together
sick sentinel
well, we jumped out the portal on 12 just now and i told em, patrol, worm pulled anyway
warm plinth
Depending on where the patrol is, it could pull the worm
It'll proximity aggro it if it runs clsoe to it
close*
sick sentinel
i think best would be to pull the caster alone
warm plinth
Yeah, that's what I was referring to
Drop portal in the corner (from the previous obelisk), pull the defiler back there
And kill it separately
And then you can do the corrupter and worm together since you only need kicks on the worm
sick sentinel
i know all the routes will change a few mobs next week, but i think i'm getting there.
midnight snow
Focus worm, prot can stop 4 worm casts in a row by itself
warm plinth
ngl we've been doing fear guy with last boss in UR (or slime depending on who is back in that corner). It's a lot more efficient than dealing with that awkward af corner
midnight snow
You can let a shadow bolt volley go off on defiler, it’s not the end of the world
Worm casts are worse
slender finch
playing multiple obelisk at last bosses gets super efficient if ur group can handle it
got lucky to get into 4k smth group they play fear+spider with endbosses
giga time save
midnight snow
Also yea I just do that obelisk with last boss
sick sentinel
I totally forgot about obelisks doing siege
2 that were supposed to be killed on the spot
warm plinth
What level keys are you doing that you're letting a shadow bolt volley go off on a fortified week
Because it most definitely is the end of the world in 20+ keys lol
sick sentinel
the rogue told us that he would get all of the totems, he didn't
midnight snow
21+
If your group is topped it doesn’t kill you
And there’s nothing else there to take dmg from
It hurts very bad yes but it shouldn’t one shot anybody
warm plinth
In most cases it's not worth screwing with the totems. Just move away from them; you don't even have to move that far.
midnight snow
Yea I play with a hunter and mage so we don’t have the luxury of kicking everything
midnight snow
Not very good stats for either spec but yee
sick sentinel
better than 445, and a socket
thin pecan
Hi guys, I have a Waycrest key i'm really struggling to plan a route for... would you plan for each individual door opening or just yolo and play the dungeon killing each obelisk where it is (so the route is similar to to the pre 8.3 route)?
sick sentinel
what i do is 1st ob go all the way to witches
kill adds, get your group to run with you, pop out at the frogs, go witches, tree, raal
still pagoda
the paladin in the group let me have it for fury/arms
@sick sentinel
Technically you want Gett'iku over all weapons on equal ilvl
sick sentinel
yeh, i rarely play dps on this guy.
still pagoda
Hi guys, I have a Waycrest key i'm really struggling to plan a route for... would you plan for each individual door opening or just yolo and play the dungeon killing each obelisk where it is (so the route is similar to to the pre 8.3 route)?
@thin pecan
The best way to do WCM is to pull first pillar to witches boss no matter what
thin pecan
Thanks @sick sentinel, ok cool I will give it a go!
still pagoda
then the route becomes totally standard
thin pecan
Im anxious about the amount of time spent running, BUT i have a lot of faith in you guys so will give it a go
sick sentinel
Plz be aware that you need someone in up world to open door for down world lasts 30s
warm plinth
Yeah 30 seconds should be plenty tbh
sick sentinel
you can get trapped in the basement
thin pecan
Is that after the third boss when you head into the basement?
warm plinth
Well I mean, you wouldn't go into the basement until it's time to go to the basement though?
still pagoda
and no rogues in last 15 minutes
thin pecan
Ok gottcha, I have a druid so that should be ok
sick sentinel
playing a rogue can be alot of fun.
thin pecan
On no hold on, it should be clear right?
sick sentinel
it's like warrior lite
earnest mist
something that didn't really come as a surprise but when I assembled my vers gear, the gameplay just felt giga sluggish, with 29% unbuffed haste and 27% vers. Did I overdo it? Should I stick to a specific haste percentage to have "normal" haste?
or rather bearable haste
sick sentinel
warrior thicc rogue sticc
earnest mist
or is playing vers gear just gonna be sluggish no matter what and I need to just learn how to play with it
earnest mist
how much vers do I aim for for 20-24 keys that isnt too much but yet it can be felt
still pagoda
@strong forum runs only 3% in 23's
earnest mist
but it does help though anyway, doesnt it? @still pagoda
if say I am not the greatest prot warr and yet want to start doing higher keys
20+ that is
sweet summit
your vers% is basically irrelevant
earnest mist
what do you mean by that exactly
sweet summit
that there is no exact % you should aim for, and anything goes
sweet summit
huh?
earnest mist
I mean doesn't it help me take less damage and be tankier overall
sweet summit
avatar makes you veryvery tanky
stiff oracle
or lucid
if you actually know where to use lucid and get the value from having it as a major, then i'd go lucid
just yolo using lucid on random packs you might as well go VoP
earnest mist
tbh I dont know the exact packs, I use it on bosses for tyrannical for example and I use it when I know Ill chain pull
but honestly I dont keep it off cd for way too long
slim reef
Hey guys today I attempted an Atal 17 and then a 16 after it how do you all deal with serrated teeth I was getting absolutely wrecked. The rest of the dungeon went fine... except that damn dinosaur and it’s not even tyrannical week 😂 i used shield wall for 1 and demo for another I may just need to git gud
stiff oracle
just cycle cds
slim reef
Gonna have to try it out again atal is one of the last 15s a need times but that time limit is tight
tame garden
Atal is closed on teeming
warm plinth
Healer should be using external on you when you don't have a CD
pulsar fiber
Hello Any Protection that wants to help me with some quick TW queueing, that i can leach gear from? I haven't played in the US region since 8.0 so i 320? I'd really appreciate it ^^
tame garden
I'll do it for 100k
slim reef
I’ve done almost every dungeon this week 14+ I’d have to say the worst for teem was underot f that place
tame garden
Really?
My route has like 1 bonus deathspeaker and some rots
Teeming underrot ez
I would put underrot as 2nd easiest teeming dungeon after workshop
slim reef
I think I got a bad taste because the dps couldn’t for the life of them skip the pull after 1st boss took 2 wipes before they decided to use stealth pots 😂
warm plinth
Yeah though tbf that skip is kinda sketchy on teeming
tame garden
Can just kill the maggot tick pack if you dont have shroud tbh
warm plinth
Can make it easier if you have sap/imprison
tame garden
Just stun the casts and kite the tick stacks
warm plinth
Don't tell us what to do druid with your typhoon and ursol's vortex
slim reef
Is their like a repo for teeming routes somewhere round here been using metro
still pagoda
last piece of bullshit that is TD is done
i hate Tol Dagor
like
i've done AD18
but TD is literally the worst
tame garden
🥳
still pagoda
typical +15 residentsleepers
last mason
And that Ret is pumping
still pagoda
tame garden
I do not miss pugging
still pagoda
cannon 
last mason
Oh right
viscid orchid
very stupid questions orry
but how when do i ignore pain and when do i shield block
lol
tame garden
sweet summit
you shield block when you are taking blockable damage
you ignore pain when you have rage to spend
viscid orchid
but thats not a lot @ low ilvl or am i wrong? 😄
sweet summit
huh?
trail dome
i have literally never ninja'd that teeming underrot pull
with the maggots & ticks
i have also had someone ninja it every single run except one this week.
🤷♂️
warm plinth
@viscid orchid Pretty much any time you're tanking, you'll have Shield Block active. Use Last Stand with Bolster talented to cover gaps. Ignore Pain can be used to dump rage to prevent overcapping.
chilly brook
@viscid orchid what do you mean by that's not a lot at low ilvl?
Are you referring to rage generation?
Because your rage generation is pretty solid at all ilvls
warm plinth
Yeah, rage generation doesn't change at all at different content levels actually lol
next stone
What would be best race for prot. Or opinion. I was a tauren in legion and an orc now. Looking to change stuff up for shadowlands again lol
sweet summit
belf 😍
warm plinth
Whatever you like looking at the most
I am a fan of Vulpera or Mag'har on Horde side for warrior
next stone
I change my appearance every dungeon so either way I get bored haha
I have seen from vulpera have alot of healing from the racial but im about the looks
warm plinth
Oh idk, I don't pay much attention to xmog tbh
I imagine some gear would look odd on them like it does on any small race
tame garden
vulpera bis mog
chilly brook
@warm plinth bruh that's why you play panda flips on every dodge
warm plinth
Listen Griff, it's not the same
chilly brook
No it's better
sick sentinel
Can confirm panda is BiS
still pagoda
belf kekw
sweet summit
die furry die 
still pagoda
cosmic coral
how do u guys effectively use the rage generated during lucid dreams major cast? like how would i effectively use demo shout without overcapping my rage, just double ignore pain to get the highest should i can get?
still pagoda
SPAM IP
sweet summit
ignore pain until you have to ignore pain irl because your fingers hurt
cosmic coral
ah okay just making sure, do i throw out a revenge out there too?
still pagoda
sweet summit
can also spend some range on revenge
cosmic coral
nice expedients
sweet summit
thanks
still pagoda
i've just started gearing arms
so
yea
gonna just stockpile all echoes until Exp3 appears
cosmic coral
So lucid dreams cast is literally just spam all my rage using abilities since im getting so much rage anyway?
still pagoda
you just spam IP
tame garden
same rotation just more ignore pain
still pagoda
and everything else is normal
cosmic coral
well yea, those are my rage generating abilities, i assumed so LOL
even if i might overcap my ignore pain?
distant crystal
you just wanna do normal rotation, a few more no-proc revenges, and a lot more IPs
sweet summit
bind IP to scroll wheel
distant crystal
overcapping IP > overcapping rage
cosmic coral
true true, thx guys, yknow u guys are a lot more helpful than any other discord ive been in :^) ❤️
still pagoda
bind IP to scroll wheel
@sweet summit
Quake 3 Arena feels
distant crystal
but hopefully you're using it when you're getting beat on
still pagoda
distant crystal
so you're not wasting much IP anyway
sweet summit
what the heck is quake 3
distant crystal
if not pull more 🙂
still pagoda
scroll wheel strafe jump
sweet summit
distant crystal
quake3 was the hotness 20 years ago
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
i was not alive 20 years ago
distant crystal
that kinda hurts to say
still pagoda
my father's most loved game
distant crystal
old people problems
still pagoda
just as SC:BW is mine
cosmic coral
i wasnt alive 20 years ago either
sweet summit
still pagoda
fuck. I'm gonna raid as DPS
cause i couldn't find tank spot for myself
while getting 3-4 invitations as DPS
still pagoda
well
it's time to return to the glory that i had back in T21
Time to pad hard
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uAYKLzD4mcmQAFmPheium8
Though first i need to clear out this mess
sweet summit
coral where
still pagoda
nowhere
didn't raid in EP
well
getting coral and more haste/crit gear with Exp3's is top priority now
Bursting Skittish next week
sweet summit
tyrannical
still pagoda
gonna kill every DH i see
still pagoda
more like #deleteDH week
solemn juniper
question regarding the proc of VoP vs like using memory or lucid or like strength of the warden, if im not enjoying the proc rate or the chance should i still just smash my face on the VoP wall or like play with something else lol
warm plinth
You can play with lucid if you feel comfortable doing so
still pagoda
technically, in mid to high key brackets VoP and Lucid are pretty equal
it comes down to what you want more
solemn juniper
ill do some playing around with it for sure, just i feel lack luster when like i do a 16 underrot and like only see 4 procs alone from VoP
still pagoda
stable and simple proc or reliable offensive/defensive tool you can plan around
still pagoda
i ran through +17Siege for fun with VoP
got around 20 procs in first half of the dungeon
sweet summit
VoP can extend avatar
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
so maybe you just didnt notice and had 30 seconds of avatar
solemn juniper
Maybe im not noticign them tbh the 4 i only noticed
still pagoda
you can check amount of procs through logs
tame garden
its about 1 proc per minute
still pagoda
1ppm
but sometimes it procs 3-4 times in a row
and other shenanigans
typical proc basically
both VoP and Lucid are great
Lucid is just not really an option before +18-19 keys
solemn juniper
hmm fair point im just bad at tracking lol i normal use this toon if i need like a tank but i dont overall keep track of itso def my problem i have
still pagoda
and even then you need to plan around it(and around your mage's CUMBOOOOST)
warm plinth
You won't really notice them if they happen while Avatar is active
solemn juniper
any umm WA's that keep track of it?
solemn juniper
lol i bet
warm plinth
Uh, just an Avatar tracker I guess. Or you can track the heal it does when it procs
still pagoda
^
https://wago.io/Afenar_Warrior
O use this WA as a basis for everything else and there's avatar tracker inside
warm plinth
I use afenar as well but for some reason for prot war it feels off to me somehow. I use it for every other toon with no issue but for some reason it just feels...off
sweet summit
you feel off 😠
exotic spoke
Sup qtpies
sweet summit
trying to use cross server emotes in skyhold
solemn juniper
ill try this out for sure
sweet summit
:weird:
exotic spoke
:riki:
solemn juniper
thank you all for the great assistance
exotic spoke
😦
sweet summit
😢
exotic spoke
:roocry:
tame garden
:riki:
exotic spoke
I have a great emote!
undone sun
who's riki
warm plinth
I only know Notriki
exotic spoke
In two other discords. Don’t mind that I shamelessly stole it from someone else
warm plinth
Idk this Riki bitch
undone sun
:thyme: emotes are undoubtedly the best
still pagoda
exotic spoke
Agree thyme
trail dome
i've always been a fan of thyme
muted forge
Hey, what gems should I get as prot war? i know i need to get verse, (currently use strength and haste gems)
trail dome
It's a policeman taking a statement from a victim and it goes roughly along the lines of.
"And then I went to the shops, just to get some essentials."
"Time?"
"Rosemary."
@muted forge haste
muted forge
thanks, i got told "stack vers for tankiness" so that just comes with gear/corruptions?
warm plinth
It's not a thing unless you're doing giga high keys
trail dome
^
undone sun
muted forge
so what sorta key level should i be getting verse do you reckon, 17 felt somewhat of a challenge but comfy, 19 hit HARD
warm plinth
Like...24+ at least I would say
muted forge
oh right, i mean i tried arguing that Haste is the stat for lower keys earlier, but he kept telling me i were wrong
trail dome
the answer unfortunately is just play well. Prot is pretty unforgiving as a tank.
I wouldn't go as far as saying it's difficult, most classes in this game you can pick up and play well in a reasonable amount of time.
But if you mess up you'll die. :D
warm plinth
A lot of people will say that right now because sO aNd So Is DoInG iT
muted forge
yep, hes like "nerftank is number 1 i will copy his exact move"
thanks guys, i did a +19 today intentionally wayyy over time, but was really helpful at teaching me alot
trail dome
That's exactly it Sylokei
undone sun
trail dome
Nerf is doing 27s
still pagoda
you can learn most moves and snaps in +15's
trail dome
You don't live some of the pulls he's doing without going vers stack cns
muted forge
yea we said at start we are not even trying to time this, just try and finish
still pagoda
i have WCM18 rn
trail dome
especially one where it's like 5 deep smashers or whatever
what're they called
deep smash guys
still pagoda
gonna push it up to 19-20 tomorrow
trail dome
big hurt
trail dome
Is there a proper way to do the last pull in FH
with the painful motivation guys.
Like a minmaxy optimised way
buoyant scroll
heya Mr.NoobNoPressButtons here again quick update improved my button smashing by removing devastation around +150 tc more overall ^^ thanks for that and now i have a question what do u guys all use in a pull in atal with bl https://prnt.sc/src7tv like cd usage in a +20-+21
trail dome
Usually for me we BL uh
left side 1st pull
the stair pull on right side
and then depends on how much time we have left but usually yazma
but you can definitely do a big pull there with BL too
especially if you chain it
these are spots i think you can all viably lust
although i haven't seen anyone lust middle pack in aaaaages.
buoyant scroll
yeah we usually pull it al together but i dont survive evne not with psychikc chain
cosmic coral
there any vids of like tank tricks u can do, for example the saurid clip/port and the clip/port for the first part of shrine, i wanna watch em so I can practice them
trail dome
i mean you can snap and lust it and then drop to rezan.
buoyant scroll
sry chell
cosmic coral
er snaps xd
trail dome
@cosmic coral just go atal normal :D
you don't even need to go in the actual dungeon proper to practice the jumping
cosmic coral
yea i mean , but is there a vid where i can see where all those tricks are at
still pagoda
buoyant scroll
well i think i hit a language barrier
still pagoda
you can technically BL those pulls on Teeming
buoyant scroll
yes we do it but i dont manage to survie the one i posted
warm plinth
The pull you posted looks like suicide to me lol
buoyant scroll
is eq and used
warm plinth
That's a lot of poison stacks
warm plinth
We do the stalker patrol with the honor guard
And then do the stairs stalkers and shieldbearers together
still pagoda
suicide pulls are fine as long as you can either chainpull or you have DPS pumping 400k
And then do the stairs stalkers and shieldbearers together
I think i should switch over to such
i don't usually big pull this place
warm plinth
We don't do the obelisk pull though fwiw, since we have a hunter
He pulls it away for us
still pagoda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjDGv4FambQ
Just drop in some music and enjoy your big pull of half a dungeon Deswind style
trail dome
think that's all the important snap spots in atal
still pagoda
^
still pagoda
bosses will snap you to them
trail dome
also standing in a snap spot will stop juggernauts charging
buoyant scroll
and then reset
cosmic coral
how is that 2nd snap spot useful/used?
cosmic coral
wouldnt it just be better to use 1st pic for that tho?
can u hleap onto those spots?
warm plinth
You can't heroic leap on to snap spots
trail dome
^
still pagoda
you can also snap standing on this
cosmic coral
oh im dumb, i thought it was the other side with the 2 skyscreamers
warm plinth
If you could, they wouldn't be snap spots
still pagoda
this is the easiest snap btw
trail dome
that one is in the link
=[
the one the fewest ppl know about is #5 i think
if you have a ranged chill there then the juggers on alunza trash don't charge
cosmic coral
whats the 5th snap used for? i feel like that ones hard to do / not reliable
warm plinth
It's not really a snap spot tbf, in the sense that it's not used to group mobs
It's where ranged/healer can stand so the juggernauts cancel their charge
still pagoda
also this iicr
but this is more of a jugg cancel
also CnS is unironically good in AD this week
trail dome
that's also in my imgur album 😅
but yeah you want a ranged standing there ^
cancels jugg charges
still pagoda
another snap i figured out yesterday
trail dome
the brazier one i use to snap the blob or whatever up the stairs fast
still pagoda
you just ACCIDENTALLY snap saurids in one place floating
sick sentinel
It looks like this
it's 100% count
if the teeming isn't on left side you pull that extra sky screamer and saurid pack not marked
trail dome
or on the little thing next to it
trail dome
cosmic coral
do the casters in shrine only snap if they arent able to cast on u?
still pagoda
when they end their cast
still pagoda
they end their cast and snap
sick sentinel
you can also double kick and snap them
still pagoda
^
trail dome
so like what i usually do is pull the downstairs ones
cosmic coral
im practicing it on heroic right now and they arent snapping, am i doing it too slowly?
trail dome
because trusting pugs to kick and not take aggro or whatever just doesn't happen
show us your screen maybe
cosmic coral
i mean 80% of the part is snapping, just 3 adds, and i assume its cuz they are able to cast on me
trail dome
ye if they can cast on you they will
you need to los or they need to be unable to cast
silencing them will make them snap
so will kicking both their schools
warm plinth
What's really important in AD especially is that you have to have aggro of the mobs. So if your group gets trigger happy before you've established threat, they'll unsnap
still pagoda
@cosmic coral this is how broken this actually is
still pagoda
dinomancer pack is free %
trail dome
cause it's easier to break los
cosmic coral
well i know how broken it is, ive seen it done a lot of times, i just wanted a vid for everysingle on so i could practice them
trail dome
or you can stand upstairs and have a hunter / rogue redirect to you
cosmic coral
doesnt the troll girl autoshoot u tho? or naw
trail dome
cause you're upstairs it makes it free
you need to break los to her
but the pillar thingie blocks los
cosmic coral
oh, so that snap is a lot better than the shrine one since you're just sitting in a bowl not with a pillar blocking
what about the actual dino charges? do they not do it in that small spot? whatre the chances u die there
warm plinth
They cancel
warm plinth
It'll still cast but it cancels at the end similar to the juggernaut cancelling
still pagoda
think of such route now
to avoid the most idiotic packs ever
G16
fuck that shit
now better
AD becomes less cancer when you delete the worst packs like G16
trail dome
ok so i just recorded myself
doing all the ez snaps at the start of atal
is there an easy way to show ppl that
file size too big for disc
er, start of sots
warm plinth
If it's too big for disc you'll have to upload to YT or streamable or something probably
heavy nova
anyone have a good link so i can see what i should have my base stats at? like haste and such
trail dome
Lame
still pagoda
there's no such thing as "too much haste"
minimal requirement is 22%
but technically you want as much as possible without exp stacking
heavy nova
what about vers?
warm plinth
I'd be kinda surprised if SF can actually pin things 😂
still pagoda
vers is meaningless until 25's and any giga high keys
heavy nova
oh really
still pagoda
i run 9% in 19's because i'm a scrub who doesn't have many haste/crit pieces
Nomeratur runs 23's with 3% vers
we're not monks
sick sentinel
is it ok to not do the 3 rares/3 chests quest or will i miss out on too many visions runs
buoyant scroll
depens
heavy nova
so what should i run as wep enchant?
buoyant scroll
how far behind are u with cloak and sockets
still pagoda
is it ok to not do the 3 rares/3 chests quest or will i miss out on too many visions runs
@sick sentinel 325 currency
you can just skip it if you don't want to do it or unlucky
muted forge
@heavy nova I've read/been told that Force Multiplier is good, not sure how accurate that info is but it's better than nothing
sick sentinel
but sucks that every 2 months, the people who did do those quests have an extra vision run
still pagoda
@heavy nova I've read/been told that Force Multiplier is good, not sure how accurate that info is but it's better than nothing
@muted forge @heavy nova
Force multiplier or quick navigation
depends on your taste
warm plinth
1 vision every 2 months, look out
mortal brook
force mult still undersims
still pagoda
i run FM on prot 1H and GFS on arms 2H(arms doesn't have any options though since GFS AA speed is too good)
muted forge
WowArmory say I have 25% haste, 14% vers. And I'm currently doing around 15 keys
Stacking haste is best for lower keys as vers is only important for giga keys. Should I buy the 9% expedient then? Or get vers corruptions even tho it's not needed
trail dome
@warm plinth that right there is why i never war mode
1 vision every 44 days aint worth being camped
still pagoda
WowArmory say I have 25% haste, 14% vers. And I'm currently doing around 15 keys
Stacking haste is best for lower keys as vers is only important for giga keys. Should I buy the 9% expedient then? Or get vers corruptions even tho it's not needed
@muted forge
Buy TD
TD = success
i run TD4 Exp4 setup just cause i'm a haste junkie
warm plinth
Yeah exactly Arch. And then you hear people complain about being ganked while doing assaults in WM
And I'm like uh
So turn it off
trail dome
I like to say "You chose this."
muted forge
I've got TD3 / TD2 /TD1 piece, but just use TD3/expedient 9% usually but sometimes go-to TD4 if I like the heal
muted forge
But I don't like doing over 39
muted forge
Do you not get merkes by the TFB?
still pagoda
and i run 18's and 19's in this
muted forge
It seems to proc do often for me
still pagoda
i keep Intimidating Shout off CD for that exact reason
trail dome
Tbh the reason I hate going above 30-something is the slow gets huge
craggy harness
still pagoda
_
It can cut you like a knife if the fight becomes the fire
On the wire between will and what will be
She's a maniac, maniac on the floor
And she's dancing like she's never danced before_
muted forge
I usually run 21 and barely notice any corruption
still pagoda
literally me when kiting TFB's
you really start dancing like a maniac when 3 TFB's spawn and fear, cloak, SR and Storm Bolt are on CD
tidal sleet
Just shield reflect them.
trail dome
https://streamable.com/nss9sp @cosmic coral
trail dome
gotta keep our western strats this side of the iron curtain, comrade
cosmic coral
i mean , i dont really think snapping the 1st too is that important right, cuz they're already so close to each other
trail dome
it's more to show you how the casters behave with snap spots
still pagoda
i mean , i dont really think snapping the 1st too is that important right, cuz they're already so close to each other
@cosmic coral
It eases up a lot of things
you can snap whole area before first boss
just don't do eles
cosmic coral
yea eles hurt
idk if i would like snapping all of it since alot of spiritualist and they could just heal up the whole group
maybe ill do m+ in shrine with a boomy xd
trail dome
i honestly love doing shrine with moonkins
still pagoda
^
you just bring in boomkin and snap half of the area before first boss
easy cheese
warm plinth
Yes
trail dome
?
still pagoda
just look at the right screen
trail dome
ye what about it
still pagoda
we need to replicate this shit
still pagoda
nothing is pug safe
warm plinth
Deswind
still pagoda
you can't even snap safely with pugs