protection

[trail dome]

Don't get me wrong tho, i think per key you're looking at cns vs lucid 😄

[exotic spoke]

Pretty sure CnS major isn’t the play in almost all cases. I think there was a write up in the pins about why top warriors are using different majors

[strong forum]

ye CNS id only run in keys where the root can stop mechanics

outside of that lucid always wins

[trail dome]

Yeah. I was watching nerf talk about it yday

[exotic spoke]

It’s incredibly niche

[trail dome]

In his full crab set the vers he gets from it is enormous

but i'm not gonna need that shit for idk

[exotic spoke]

Lucid is just better than CnS in almost ever situation

[trail dome]

ages

[wild sandal]

at which point should i stop stacking on TD and go for expident?

[trail dome]

none

[strong forum]

never

[trail dome]

Wait

no

when you respec arms

BAM GOTTEM

🔥

[wild sandal]

lol

thanks dudes

[cursive burrow]

@strong forum thank you.

[trail dome]

@exotic spoke but yeah, if you watch robin & nerf's streams from the past few days you can see them talking about cns major with the vers amp build.

[toxic gyro]

If u use cns major u get double vers all the time

[trail dome]

They both like it a lot for 27s, especially because on live you often get one go at a good key, the full crab build just makes you omega safe.

Ye

Well, not on bosses

most bosses

but ye it's big

[rigid sinew]

27s

[trail dome]

Yeah. There's a reason i'm gonna buy 2* TD soon. I'm light years away from needing vers & C&S major. 😃

but hopefully one day i'll get to the point of needing vers.

[rigid sinew]

heres the real question

how 2 push io on alliance na

[trail dome]

☹️

[strong forum]

play with guildies

exclusively

[rigid sinew]

guild👉📉

[still pagoda]

^

+17FH

[rigid sinew]

imagine being hardstuck at 22s cause ur team only has time for like 3 keys tops in a single setting

[still pagoda]

when i need ML, SotS, SoB, TD and JY

[rigid sinew]

and all those 3 r usually KR

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

sounds like my m+ experience

but we dont push so its aight

[rigid sinew]

[tropic jacinth]

imagine buying a 475 boe TD1 shield for a million gold then getting this out of your chest 2 days later

[still pagoda]

👀

i'm just waiting for corruption vender reset on EU

gonna that get 20k DPS boost on arms

[unique relic]

are the anodized ref;ectoprs any good

[strong forum]

worse than wrists with stats

[still pagoda]

^

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/nitaMBm.png i can pump now

[marble cipher]

@tropic jacinth that's why I'm never going prot loot spec again since I bought a 475 shield. Don't wanna be trolled by blizz

[still pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/nitaMBm.png i can pump now
@strong forum

[austere storm]

I'm trying to sell a 475 socketed td2 ring... Feeling like it won't sell for more than a mil with the corruption vendor

[still pagoda]

500k is still good

[austere storm]

Better than nothing

Probably better than equipping on my prot war alt...

Question though... How much of a defensive benefit is there between a 465 shield and a 475 shield? Minor? Major?

I know offensive benefit there's a big difference in 10 ilvls for a wep, but not sure if it's comparable for shields and defensive benefit

[marble cipher]

Major

[strong forum]

Pretty Major

its your single most important item

[river linden]

is it anyone good tank here that i can pm ?

[still pagoda]

you can ask your questions right here

[river linden]

i want too try tanking but i am unsure what tanking class is good for new beginner that i should play

have not been tanked since 8.1.5

so i hope you guys can help me

[sick sentinel]

if i join a pug that has wrathion/skithra killed, to try maut

but fail to kill maut, can I still make my own pug later to kill maut?

[still pagoda]

i want too try tanking but i am unsure what tanking class is good for new beginner that i should play
@river linden

any

monk is the easiest

warrior doesn't allow for mistakes, but still easy if you can get grip on high APM of the spec

[wheat jasper]

beginner? bear tbh

[river linden]

the problem i dont understand with monk is stagger

or whatever it called

[sick sentinel]

it just delays a part of the damage, like 50% with the talent

and 70% with ironskin brew

[still pagoda]

the problem i dont understand with monk is stagger
@river linden https://www.peakofserenity.com/bfa/brewmaster/brewmaster-basics/

you're welcome

[river linden]

thanks

[still pagoda]

monk is unironically residentsleeper mode

[sick sentinel]

you can avoid this delay if you use purifying brew

[river linden]

so if i am corect 70 % less dmg with irnonskin brew ?

[sick sentinel]

70% of the physical damage is delayed

so it's stored into your 'stagger' but you can remove this stored incoming damage by purifying

[still pagoda]

so it's stored into your 'stagger' but you can remove this stored incoming damage by purifying
@sick sentinel

You only purify on damage spikes

otherwise it's a waste of resource

[austere storm]

Ive played blood dk and prot war in s4 and blood is easier for a beginner. It's a reactive spec (you take damage and you heal it back, basically) so as long as you manage your runic power properly, it's quite forgiving. It's less forgiving once you get to one shot territory from mechanics or tanking huge groups of mobs that kill you in a few globals

[main vault]

Blood itself is definitely not a beginner spec

[austere storm]

Why is that? I find that because of the low apm, you have much more time to consider mob placement, CD usage, timers, mob casts etc

[undone sun]

reactive isn't beginner friendly

[still pagoda]

^

[limpid pawn]

Reactive is easier than proactive

[dusty plinth]

is there a way to take something like this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4DfdwZx6M78PAhbY/#fight=last&type=casts&source=1&view=timeline&ability=2565

and map last stand casts onto it as well

[main vault]

reactive means when you mess up you are done

So a beginner blood that spams DS when he can, is dead

[limpid pawn]

It’s worse for proactive

A newb doesn’t know when damage is coming

So he’s dead

[main vault]

Bear and Monk are both by far more beginner friendly

[still pagoda]

^

[main vault]

Bears and Monks are both proactive

[limpid pawn]

Purify is reactive

[main vault]

And least likely to die from mistakes

But a beginner doesn’t even need to purify

And even if he over purifies there is base stagger and etc built in

Like the fetid meme log where the dude had like 40% ISB uptime and didn’t die on mythic fetid

Neither of them are getting on shot

[dusty plinth]

is there a way to take something like this https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4DfdwZx6M78PAhbY/#fight=last&type=casts&source=1&view=timeline&ability=2565
and map last stand casts onto it as well

[main vault]

And their "proactive" uptime is super straight forward

[still pagoda]

[main vault]

lol

[still pagoda]

42% haste as arms now

Much better than what i had before

[trail dome]

@dusty plinth

[dusty plinth]

how did you do that?

tryna learn how to work logs a lil better

and thank you!

[still pagoda]

casts

and specific ones

[trail dome]

see the little bits of greyed out text above it?

click those

they're toggles

[still pagoda]

^

[dusty plinth]

ohh

instead of sleceting from the dropdown

just select the grey'd out one for multipoles

oh awesome, appreciate that

[trail dome]

no worries

[inland bolt]

people finally understanding the vers% cns dream on this discord.. 😭

i was here

[ionic fern]

?

[undone sun]

oh boy

[ionic fern]

Stop being stupid.

Thank you.

[trail dome]

@dusty plinth

you can also do this

which is a bit more complicated to explain uh

but you like, go to buffs, press the little + thing next to the buff you wanna see which adds a graph of it up top

[digital light]

this is probably a dumb question but I see the higher rated prot warriors on warcraft logs are running devastator over booming voice, is this just for extra damage on mythic or is it just outright better in raids? I just want to understand the theory behind the choice so I can get a stronger understanding of prot

[trail dome]

then change it from seperate to main

[dusty plinth]

@trail dome ah that's helpful cause it shows the actual length of each

like there were some pretty large gaps in my mitigation there

but my guess is during those gaps i had demoralizing shout/pain suppression

[main vault]

Demo isnt enough in between that though

Demo is only for rage gen, the dr% is just extra

[dusty plinth]

yeah i cant tell

coulda also been at the end of one pull chaining into another

or going into the ob

or just a mistake

@trail dome so i got the two graphs - how'd you compress them into one?

[trail dome]

uh

paste the graphs you're seeing here

xd

[dusty plinth]

nm got it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4DfdwZx6M78PAhbY/#fight=last&type=auras&source=1&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24201485152.0.0.Warrior%24false%2412975^0%24Main%24%23909049%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24201485152.0.0.Warrior%24false%24132404&graph=true

doesn't quite look like yours

'but i think that's kinda nice too cause it's showing my dmg taken in addition to the buffs

i think?

which also explains the two big mitigation gaps

there was no dmg during those two phases

[chrome palm]

is there a way to prevent getting ninja aggro on TD before the last boss?

i always get aggro on the last pillar through the wall

no idea how it's happening

happens every time

[trail dome]

@dusty plinth you remember how we clicked the text to get rid of those toggles

click on dmg done/taken etc :P

[dusty plinth]

xD

thanks ha

[trail dome]

No worries

teach a person to fish and all that

[sturdy dome]

Would linking my last details log do any good for guidance on what I could improve on as prot warr?

[river linden]

is it any webside for prot warrior that i can use for sim ?

for survability

[trail dome]

@sturdy dome not really, but warcraft logs works

@river linden not really, no. What're you thinking of?

There're some really smart people here.

And some good general rules in the guides / pins etc.

[river linden]

i am new too prot warrior so i just wondering if it is any weakaura that is good too use as tracker

[sturdy dome]

@trail dome So how do I read warcraftlogs

[trail dome]

I just use the luxthos ones.

[sweet summit]

afenar WA's owns

[trail dome]

Do you have a log? @sturdy dome

[river linden]

i think my sim is broke :/

with one of uldum or pandaria this week on eu is it that i can get gear from ?

[sweet summit]

uldum

[river linden]

ok

[last mason]

Underrot is really hard this week right?

[sweet summit]

i would not call it hard

underrot is pretty easy every week imo

[still pagoda]

^

the easiest basically

[last mason]

Sorry I mean mother lode

[sick sentinel]

Underrot is not as affected by teeming as others

[last mason]

Idk why I said ur

Yea ur is easy

[sick sentinel]

Tbh ML isn’t THAT bad either you just have to understand that it is teeming and pull faster and a bit bigger

[last mason]

I tried pulling big after the first boss, is that generally a bad idea with those packs? I feel like I underestimate those mobs

[sweet summit]

those mobs fuck

[last mason]

Ok good I’m not alone

[sweet summit]

die rock lance die

[last mason]

It’s so nasty

[still pagoda]

die rock lance die

[last mason]

Is it worth trying to pull 2 packs at a time their or not really

There*

Since respawn is close

[trail dome]

@sweet summit

rock lance

vs throw rock

who would win in a fight

[toxic gyro]

Earth shock is worse than lance

[tame garden]

Problem with ML is your party dies when you pull too big

[toxic gyro]

Pull smart

And chain pull when possible

[last mason]

Yea the biggest thing we’re those mobs, and just the density of the teeming trash in there in general

[still pagoda]

And chain pull when possible until your healer goes oom

[toxic gyro]

I always chain pull area with peacekeepers and my healer never goes oom

[trail dome]

i feel like healer mana isn't the main limiting factor there

it's dps getting oneshot by charge / stops for assassins or vendors

[toxic gyro]

I always assign my dps with markers, and control how many thugs and mech jockeys we fight

[trail dome]

i recently did that key with a guildie warlock & spriest

we had like 2 assassins & 1 vendor and it was a total fiesta

Had to pull so slowly

[sick sentinel]

I had some trouble in a shrine. Pulling big there just gets me 💦 blasted

Is it better to skip the mini bosses or just clear them and skip the trash after the second boss?

[dusty plinth]

so i logged a random M+ like 14 or something but wantd to learn the best way to kinda go through them sicne M+ logs are a lil weird

it's also kinda an odd one cause we thought our shaman queued as healer but he queued as enhance

so we didn't have a healer

for a good lil while

[sick sentinel]

note to self: still have to actually enter ob if you don't have to kite him

[river linden]

is it any good prot warrior tank here that i could pm ?

[distant crystal]

no

we're all shit just ask in here

[sweet summit]

only bad players here

[sick sentinel]

i'm still in training so take what i say with grain of salt

[mortal brook]

I play the wrong protection :feelstemplarman:

[bright steppe]

You guys play warrior? Wtf

[main vault]

Nope

Steve is Pink War

[tame garden]

🐻

[sweet summit]

💀

[still pagoda]

playing RBG's at 2k

we just pushed team MMR up to 1.9k and got YEETed on first game here

[sick sentinel]

is it worth the wait for 475 from chest?

to apply my TD 2

[still pagoda]

yes

[sick sentinel]

okay

i am at -16cr and i'm gunna apply +50 td2 tuesday

[tropic fox]

i'm curious, is it any good to socket and enchant versatility to compensate the healer who is not that good and a bit sleepy? - i know, i know everyone tells me to socket crit or haste

[main vault]

Find a new healer tbh

[warm plinth]

The amount of vers you'd gain from doing so is not going to save you from a healer that cba

[tame garden]

i too simp for my healer

😔

@tropic fox youre not alone brother

[tropic fox]

😄

[main vault]

https://www.twitch.tv/yumytv/clip/SullenCredulousElkCharlietheUnicorn

Both IO and Overall Damage > Friendship

[tropic fox]

okay, second one: is it wise to buy the td2, which is on sale now to go to td5 all over? i have to drop two expedient2, if i do so

[polar thistle]

Ey there shoulder and shield-o-philes, offspecing prot a bit, have a 475 shield and doing pretty decent DPS but i feel squishy. i usually pump rage into Ignore pains when i can and they depelete instantly anyway, and shieldblock whenever i am actually getting hit (tryna not waste uptime). any hints on how to properly defense

[main vault]

SB > IP

downtime is what LS is for

Demo on CD for rage, Ava on CD for dmg/etc

[polar thistle]

all checks out

with what i knew, and what i did, but i still feel like i am taking a ton of damage

through shield blocks. and i do not usually have the rage to layer over IPs

i did get a tip to use lucid major for the situations, but what about the times when i do not have it up

[main vault]

If you dont know how to use Lucid, dont take Lucid

[warm plinth]

What level keys are you doing, btw?

[polar thistle]

15 to 17

[strong forum]

you take literally 0 dmg in those if you press your buttons the way you should

mobs should actually heal you for how much you midigate

so you seem to be missing something vital in your midigation

[polar thistle]

well that's why i am asking because i am taking a lot of dmg, though i do think i am pressing the right buttons

[toxic gyro]

You’re not letting mobs hit u in the back are u?

[polar thistle]

so figure

no i actively prevent that

[strong forum]

are you playing Bolster

the talent

[polar thistle]

if something is to my back unavoidably it gets a shockwave in the face until i can fix it

[toxic gyro]

Bc there is no way to struggle in 15-17 with good gear if you keep your mitigation up

[warm plinth]

Best advice I can give is to log your runs and have them checked out tbh...Like with a 475 shield in 15-17s, things should tickle for the most part

[polar thistle]

no actual clue if my gear is good, probably not as i have a ton of crit from fury mainspec

[strong forum]

ill throw you my copy pasta, maybe that can help you

[polar thistle]

i have the logs but i'd need to dig them up and post

[still pagoda]

it literally became a copypasta now

[polar thistle]

i barely get over 50 rage

[strong forum]

well thats also not correct

you shouldnt insta pump it

theres some delicacies to it

[polar thistle]

yea but that's the thing

afaik, first IP fills the bar to 75%

so i wait for it to get lowered a bit

and then reuse

atleats try to

[strong forum]

shouldnt look at IP

cuz in low keys it wont be depleted at all

[polar thistle]

(trying to find the correct log will post when i find it)

[river linden]

hi this is my sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/evyhDmr6GbXBCZfcvfwHqr how do it look ?

[strong forum]

ookay

theres alot of things

alot

ill resim for you

cuz its too much to tell at once

[river linden]

thanks 🙂

[toxic gyro]

😱

[full monolith]

anyone got a vod of how to solo the Guardian Elemential in Shrine?

[strong forum]

you cant fully solo it

[languid vortex]

TD4 + Racing Pulse 3 or just TD5; thoughts?

[strong forum]

you can only reflect every 2nd cast

TD5 honestly

[languid vortex]

God damn it, I thought so

[hazy thicket]

you take literally 0 dmg in those if you press your buttons the way you should
@strong forum this has to be hyperbole?

[strong forum]

maybe 10%

but dmg intake is INCREDIBLY low

[hazy thicket]

I wouldn't say I'm always comfortable, but I'm up to 468 now with a 470 shield, running 13-15 that is

[sweet summit]

you can fully solo it

by playing around with LoS

you can force him to storm and then youll have SR up again

[strong forum]

i guess ye, waddling back and forth between LoS a shitton

literally fishing for SR 24/7

[sweet summit]

its really fast tho

cuz that shock does a fuckton of damage

its like 2-3 reflects

and he's dead

[strong forum]

ye but still takes alot of waddling

will take 1.5min

to get 3 reflects

almost

[sweet summit]

not with ineffable

[jagged dagger]

i hope i dont bother anyone by asking, as im rather new to tanking, but how often should i keep my shield block up? What i did so far was to keep it up all the time and while its on cd i use ignore pain. its getting me trough m+10s but is still dont dare to tank anything higer

[sweet summit]

as long as you'rea taking blockable damage you should be keeping SB up

you should prioritize Shield block over ignore pain in 99% of all pulls you do in m+

[jagged dagger]

that is what i am doing

but when shield block is on cd i pop ignore pain to lessen the damage i take

[sweet summit]

you should be using IP even when SB is up

to spend rage

and smooth damage intake

[mental anchor]

Yeah IP is a rage dump

[jagged dagger]

that's good to know

thanks

[sweet summit]

you never ever want to overcap on rage

because of anger management its very important to spend rage

so you get your CDs back faster

[mental anchor]

You should have like 95% uptime on SB by using last stand when SB is not up

[strong forum]

well LS doesnt count into uptime of SB

in the statistics

so its like 60-35ish

[mental anchor]

Yeah but it does the same thing haha I wish they would count it

[jagged dagger]

good. i've mostly doing good so far then

now i only need to figure out my obelisk anxiety 😄

[tropic fox]

td3+exp6 or flat out td5?

[mental anchor]

SB before going in and just repeat

[strong forum]

TD will always beat everything if youre going for dmg

throwing in expedients will grant you some more defensives

so its up to you and depending on key

[tropic fox]

keys are sitting arount 15-18...

[strong forum]

ye full TD then

slap some ass

👏

[still pagoda]

+17FH bricked thanks to 3k morons dying from avoidable shit and screaming "STOP DOING BIG PULLS WE'RE TOO SLOW"

[strong forum]

i mean the only big pull thing you wanna avoid is harpooners

[still pagoda]

and i didn't do big pull on harpooners

[strong forum]

🤷‍♂️

[still pagoda]

since this shit wrecks

[strong forum]

IO =/= Skill

most dudes, especially DPS or resto druids are boosted mankis

[sweet summit]

fact

[still pagoda]

ye

DPS especially

[strong forum]

theres a reason why "leather roles" in boosting communites require higher IO than other armor classes

[sweet summit]

🤡

[still pagoda]

DH's

unironically

if DH is 2k rio, he's 1k to me

[stiff oracle]

Let me guess

you pulled a massive pack around brinescales?

[still pagoda]

idiots exist still....

[sweet summit]

oh no, not the portugese

[still pagoda]

^

something like this @stiff oracle

fun fact

those pugs died constantly from buccaneer's bladestorms

[strong forum]

that pack at the 3rd boss pillar is kinda yikes

[still pagoda]

well

yea

[strong forum]

13

[still pagoda]

it was a bit of an overpull

[strong forum]

literally overpull

cuz your route doesnt count in spider%

and youre 1% over without it already

2% even

[stiff oracle]

Yea it looks like you pulled a massive pack around brinescales

[still pagoda]

rerouted it rn

accounting for spider ofc

and i kinda hate ravager packs before last boss

still ~1.5% overcap

[trail dome]

i like this one

i ran it today felt nice

[still pagoda]

i timed FH18 like my previously posted route suggests

and the only person moaning was DH who died from bladestorms and crusher stomps all the time

[strong forum]

still no spooder

[trail dome]

my route?

mine has spooder

[strong forum]

na yours requires rogue

Kartons doesnt have spooder

ah nvm

[trail dome]

why does mine need rogue

[still pagoda]

now

[strong forum]

you clear all around the bridge

[still pagoda]

deleted one mob near blacktooth event and just got nice 100%

[trail dome]

just cause i did it today without rogue o_o

Not trying to be obtuse

Why do you want a rogue for this.

[strong forum]

i said nvm

i thought youre shrouding after 2nd boss

[trail dome]

ah sorry

Got you

yeah just killing everything

[strong forum]

but youre clearing infront of bridge

[trail dome]

it's for low keys so just going two big pulls in that area.

I chainpulled the 3 pack one and did the 2 pack in one go after trothak

easy to misunderstand on discord. :D

[still pagoda]

^

[strong forum]

we did an interesting pull in UR

we chained from 1st until 2nd boss

everything

[trail dome]

o_o

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

after killing 2 lashers, pull the next 2-5

[trail dome]

the room with like

16 maggots

[strong forum]

no not those

[trail dome]

in front of cragmaw room

ah okay

[still pagoda]

i usually pull everything before first bridges

[trail dome]

i was gonna say

[still pagoda]

[strong forum]

those lmao packs we skipped

but it was 1 ultra chained pull

[trail dome]

yeah that's what I was really surprised

that sounds good

I try to do that

as soon as they kill bloodswarmer i pull more

is basically my usual strat

[strong forum]

that was like 5min cuz it was alt key with 440 frostmage and 460 bdk :kekw:

ye but if you accidentally pull the triple lasher pack, into another 2 lashers

kinda yike

[still pagoda]

^

[trail dome]

just have disease dispels

spriest hpal

[still pagoda]

Thanks to few buttpulls from pugs, i did experience this in +15UR today

[strong forum]

we did, still had to play out of my mind on havoc to CC everything

but fun nontheless

[trail dome]

btw

while it's not fire mage

spriest with a bunch of stat amps kinda blasts

if you chain pull for.... chorus? I think it is

[strong forum]

everything kinda pumps with the right setup and player

[trail dome]

that's fair

still. I haven't played with many spriests who're good at m+

[strong forum]

cuz priest is just as dead as warlock in m+

[still pagoda]

also

[strong forum]

sad time to be a clothie

[still pagoda]

i'm playing with 58 corruption now

feels fine

[strong forum]

[sweet summit]

a good SP is very noticable

they can pump, but not in the same way a mage can

[still pagoda]

literally whole setup

[strong forum]

👌

[polar thistle]

found the log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WxTk1Y8Cn9g2jpLF/#fight=last&type=damage-done

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

[polar thistle]

uh

[still pagoda]

Epic

[polar thistle]

not me

[still pagoda]

well

was you a tank here?

[polar thistle]

yeah, just memeing a bit

[sweet summit]

you are barely using your abilities

[polar thistle]

well, no clue what the fuck, i THOUGHT i was shieldblocking a lot but i guess not 🤦

[sweet summit]

you're also wasting a good amount of rage

[polar thistle]

ok that's possible

right, this was necro week so a lot of the time i just walked out on the mobs when i had aggro

and i didn't feel that much need to shieldblock ALL the time

guess thats what fucked me up

[sweet summit]

my casts in a dungeon thats almost 5 minutes shorter

[last mason]

what are the pots that let u run super fast called

[sweet summit]

your casts

skystep/lightfoot

i have almost twice the TC casts as you

[polar thistle]

what haste do you have

[sweet summit]

2.5k

also running double haste trinkets :p

[still pagoda]

2.3k haste and double haste trinkets]

i dunno

[polar thistle]

hold on need to find where the fuck the character sheets are in logs

[still pagoda]

but i use deva only when everything else is on CD

[sweet summit]

summary

click yourself

[polar thistle]

ye, well in that run i have a 430 rezan, 465 block and about 1k less haste so i'll say that SOME of the difference is justified

[sweet summit]

the point is youre not using TC and avatar

[last mason]

wait how do you have an actual log open for a m+ run

mine say theres never a log associated with them

[warm plinth]

You can log literally anything you want to log

You can log a target dummy if you want

[still pagoda]

even target dummy

[polar thistle]

just go into the dungeon and type /combatlog or what was it

[still pagoda]

btw

[warm plinth]

If you don't want to remember to do so, you can get an addon that'll automatically turn logging on for you in certain dungeons

[still pagoda]

buying 5 Exp2's actually increased my DPS as arms by 20k

[warm plinth]

I use Loggerhead personally

[sweet summit]

@warm plinth sorry i could not attend the scuffed alt run live :( but i watched the vod, great content almost timed it too

[warm plinth]

Yeah, if I hadn't had to go get pizza out of the oven

[sweet summit]

i use ERT and just enable autolog

your fault

[still pagoda]

^

[warm plinth]

Yeah, though getting stuck in combat after I died to the skeles was also really bad

[still pagoda]

[sweet summit]

imean, just dont die

[warm plinth]

Yeah yeah

[sweet summit]

😆

[warm plinth]

Just let 2 wicked frenzies happen and was like nah I'm okay

Next second, dead

😂

[sweet summit]

that dot fucks

[still pagoda]

Guess i will be at 2.5k really soon

[warm plinth]

I almost 4 chested a vision just now with R5 cloak. Had Alleria to 108k HP 😭

[sweet summit]

on warrior?

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sweet summit]

damn :/

[warm plinth]

Kinda sucks because EE is my only limiting factor to doing like...2-3 mask probably

But I'm still probably 3 or 4 runs away from it

[sweet summit]

wth is EE

[warm plinth]

Even though I've been doing 2 zone + boss runs since R3 cloak

[sweet summit]

oh extermination

[warm plinth]

Elite Extermination

If only I'd gotten 1 TD proc on Alleria

Literally no TD 😭

[sullen valve]

WoWAnalzyer is currently providing inaccurate data and results due to warcraftlogs changing what data they are sending them. Do not trust it and if there are errors that is expected right now so until it is fixed there is no need to report them.

[warm plinth]

So uh

What you're saying is

wowA is NOT a useful tool for prot warrior? 😢

[sweet summit]

CoF where :(

[sullen valve]

not right now. Warcraftlogs said fuck you

[still pagoda]

WoWAnalzyer is currently providing inaccurate data and results due to warcraftlogs changing what data they are sending them. Do not trust it and if there are errors that is expected right now so until it is fixed there is no need to report them.
@sullen valve

Warcraftlogs fucking up again]

[warm plinth]

Oh yeah I guess I could've used Crucible

[still pagoda]

at least they did move my old character data and logs to post-transfer toon

[warm plinth]

[sweet summit]

crucible and cyclo is great vs alleria

[warm plinth]

Pls no judge

I can actually go get cyclo too

Fuck me

It's my fault again

[sweet summit]

xD

[warm plinth]

Say goodbye to my recal bois 😢

[sweet summit]

oh my

thats a large recal

im jelly

[warm plinth]

It's about to get replaced by cyclo

You hate to see it, but it served its purpose

[sweet summit]

so long, partner

[still pagoda]

👀

[warm plinth]

She's gone 😢

[modern brook]

Storm wind triggers me so ha4d

7 of my 5 mask runs she despawns during the void explosion thing where u have to los her

[sullen valve]

@warm plinth from waht i was just told we fixed

[modern brook]

Twice the dwarfs jumping has caused him to evade bug

[sweet summit]

wait what

[warm plinth]

pog

o_O

The forge master?

[modern brook]

Uhhh yeah that first zone

Whee he says "well leta play"

And then evade bugs for 2 minutes

[warm plinth]

Where are you running to that he's jumping anywhere that he'd evade bug I guess is my question. I've never even remotely had an issue with that

[sweet summit]

thats uhhh unfortunate

no ive never seen that happen either

[modern brook]

I just walked to the gate while he was about to die

Ans he started evading 🤷

Ima start recording my runa tbh

No one believes how much horse shit I have to go through In stormwind

[still pagoda]

SW vision is not just buggy

it's hella annoying

in Orgri Rexxar is nukable and all other bosses aren't really tedious

but in SW... Shaw... Umbrix... Last boss with all zone abilities

literally makes you dance like a maniac

[warm plinth]

I mean, Shaw and Alleria are not as bad as they seem. You just have to know when to move and when to be patient

[still pagoda]

well

yea

but still

[warm plinth]

If you're impatient/panicking, they'll be 100x worse

[still pagoda]

it is harder than Orgri vision

[warm plinth]

Like Shaw does zero sanity damage unless you're trying to rush it and get hit by eyes

[still pagoda]

which is a nice thing tbf

[trail dome]

shaw's fine

[sweet summit]

shaw is just annoying

[trail dome]

alleria on 5 mask is awful

awful

[still pagoda]

_It can cut you like a knife if the fight becomes the fire
On the wire between will and what will be

She's a maniac, maniac on the floor I sure know
And she's dancing like she's never danced before

_

shaw is just annoying [2]

Alleria too

[trail dome]

I did a 5 mask earlier of alleria and i had 1 TD proc

[sweet summit]

alleria takes too long, i dont have time for her shit

[trail dome]

I think I did like 17k dps or something with all the stupid running i had to do

killed 2 figments and got no gifts.

[warm plinth]

Yeah Alleria just gets you impatient because just when you think you have time to DPS her, she'll do her stupid explosion bullshit

[still pagoda]

i once did 100k on 5 mask Thrall

[grand drum]

my first SW 5 mask i had 5 sanity left on alleria

[mortal brook]

nice work

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/uQRp.gif

[grand drum]

I died on the inside if that counts

[sweet summit]

[trail dome]

honestly idk who designed alleria but

i'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was a hunter player or something

[sweet summit]

dumb hunters

[still pagoda]

huntards

[dusty plinth]

is 87 corruption too much to tank with in keys?

[still pagoda]

59 is maximum

everything above is inting

cascade fucks

incoming healing reduction fucks

[uncut field]

What do you guys do against the Marauder's in alliance siege as a prot warrior? Was doing a 21 and just get ripped by them.

Really new to prot warr so trying to figure out how I can improve for future runs

[still pagoda]

#fixallianceSoB

[sweet summit]

you get the healer or mage to dispell you

or you die

[still pagoda]

^

happened to me many times

[muted forge]

i'm still trying to get my good corruptions (just got TD atm), the vendor has Expedient at 9% haste, is it worth buying? or you think i should save my echos for a versatility one? got 19.5k echos

[warm plinth]

Do marauders do something different on alliance side? Pretty sure cursed strike is a thing on both sides

[sweet summit]

they dont

[warm plinth]

Can you reflect cursed strike btw? Never tried but seems like it'd be worth trying

[still pagoda]

i'm still trying to get my good corruptions (just got TD atm), the vendor has Expedient at 9% haste, is it worth buying? or you think i should save my echos for a versatility one? got 19.5k echos
@muted forge

I bought 5 Exp2's today(mostly for arms)

just because i already have TD4 setup

[tame garden]

@warm plinth they just have way more marauders

[still pagoda]

^

[warm plinth]

Ah

[still pagoda]

seen this shit myself before rerolling to horde

#FIXALLIANCESIEGE

[warm plinth]

I've only done Siege once on alliance side and I just remember all kinds of bad shit

[tame garden]

all the footman/gutter pairs

are marauders for ally

[warm plinth]

😂

[still pagoda]

^

and they hit hard

ally also get less % from them

[muted forge]

thanks, i want to tank my first "big" key tommorow (KR+19), i typically hang around 14-16. has anyone got any quick tips? I feel its one of my best dungeons

[sweet summit]

lust zul

[still pagoda]

and btw

buy TD's as much as possible if you don't have TD4-5 setup

i bought all those Exp's because i'm in a state of uncertainty after moving over to horde and new server

and don't know whether i will be able to get a tank or DPS spot

[muted forge]

use TD3 usually (sometimes 4)

as getting the rank 4, is using a worse ring

[still pagoda]

I'm just a a TD/Exp maniac

wrong screenshot. Here it is

58 corruption and multiple TFB's at once? Pffff... easy

[muted forge]

SpElL rEfLeCt

[frail quiver]

Hey guys, Last night I got a 445 upgrade to my 420 pants, but my pants are TD1... should I use the upgrade even without TD1? I can't afford TD2 from Mother yet, I'm 2200EoN's away.

[sweet summit]

TD>ilvl on non weapon/shield slots

[muted forge]

even if the higher ilvl piece has better stats?

[sweet summit]

TD is huge for damage

[muted forge]

oh i've got a question about boots if you've got a sec

[sweet summit]

yeah sure

[still pagoda]

I had around 27% damage from TD in all my last runs

+18FH specifically

[muted forge]

465 Haste/Vers/Leech
475 Vers/Mastery
460 Crit/Vers/Speed with socket (+50 haste in atm)

[still pagoda]

Where i pulled as much as i could

[muted forge]

boots^

[sweet summit]

id take the 475 ones, dont think a socket is worth 15 ilvls on boots

[muted forge]

even tho the 465 have haste/vers?

[sweet summit]

more stats>better stats

at equal ilvl you prioritize haste over any other stat

[muted forge]

okay.. think ive got that thanks

@sweet summit is it alright if I DM you some questions about gear? really confused

[sweet summit]

ofc you can

id be happy to help

[candid inlet]

I just got a warrior to 120 playing arms yesterday, how do I go about getting a shield and 1h? Just spam heroics?

[muted forge]

lootspec to Prot

[sweet summit]

world quests or dungeons yeah, you can also cap conquest for a onehander

[muted forge]

would say TW dungs, but theyre way hard atm

[mortal brook]

conq cap

heroics

couple crafted ones

[still pagoda]

I just got a warrior to 120 playing arms yesterday, how do I go about getting a shield and 1h? Just spam heroics?
@candid inlet
Cap conquest for 1H and buy 400 shield on AH

Easiest ways

[candid inlet]

How long would it take to cap conq

Just doing bgs

[frail quiver]

@sweet summit Thanks so much bud. I wasn't sure if I should take the upgrade. If I could afford TD from mom I would :)

[still pagoda]

5 days of 1 normal and one epic win

Or 1 hour of RBG spam

[stiff drum]

Does anyone know how good/bad Servant Splitter is? I got a 475 version of it with Masterful out of my chest. Worth using or not?

[still pagoda]

At least i have RBG premade going on every Saturday now

[sweet summit]

its a good damge proc

ilvl is big on weapons

[candid inlet]

If I could find an rbg group to take my 420 ass that would be nice

[still pagoda]

One win gives you 100

[sweet summit]

the proc falls a bit off in aoe but not that much

[still pagoda]

Loss 25

[candid inlet]

Also do I just spam mrvhagon for vop?

[still pagoda]

First daily RBG win gives 150

Yes

2 hours of +2WS spam

And you're good with R3

[stiff drum]

so then it's worth using then? Maybe cleansing it putting TD2 on it ?

[still pagoda]

Yes

[sweet summit]

if its an ilvl upgrade, yeah

[stiff drum]

vs the Mechagon sword 465

[still pagoda]

475 weapon is always worth putting TD on

[stiff drum]

ait, thanks man

[mortal brook]

servant splitter is the best damage weapon up to about 3, 4 targets.

at equal ilvl

its going to smash anything lower

[still pagoda]

^

[mortal brook]

dont sweat the lack of secondaries

[still pagoda]

Amount of secondaries on weapons and shields is abysmal anyway

[pliant geyser]

mythic pugs are hard to get into

people just want ilvl

[digital light]

in all honesty, do you guys think a r1 TD is worth a 10 ilvl drop if the item its replacing has no corruption?

[woven kiln]

twilight devastation is fucking retarded

[trail dome]

td>else

[woven kiln]

seriously, 30% of my output

I want to be a tank, not a spazzy DPS turret bobbing and weaving to avoid stupid corruption effects

[warm plinth]

You can always play classic

[woven kiln]

is the meta there still spamming demo shout while mages aoe everything down?

[warm plinth]

Probably, idk. I don't play classic.

[sick sentinel]

Soo, kind of behind in cloak and got rank 5 td, is 59 corruption playable or na?

[warm plinth]

Depends how comfortable you are handling the Thing From Beyond

[sick sentinel]

all depends on how much it proccs

[marble cipher]

Just remember you can spell reflect it

Reflect, stormbolt, shockwave, fear

It's not too bad for warriors to get TfB

[sick sentinel]

Yeah reflect is pog

[marble cipher]

Next week TD6 🤤

[sick sentinel]

i wish

[marble cipher]

Yeah, only at max cloak

[sick sentinel]

yup

[sick sentinel]

fishing for 15 siege keys right now

only 1 and delists when i apply

[left stone]

Yo can someone help with deciding whether I should equip this new azerite piece?

This is my current at 480

But I just got this at 465

Which would give me my 3rd bastion and another heart of darkness

But its a 15 ilvl drop

Worth?

Just to point out I already have 2 deafening crash including the 480, so I dont lose the trait

[sick sentinel]

all 3 pieces of my gear got DC only 1 bom

[amber siren]

The only trait worth dropping ilvl for is for 1 DC

[sick sentinel]

it's like, i need a new chest badly, i think

460 weapon with a socket vs 465 no socket....which one?

[grand drum]

No socket imo

[amber siren]

Highest ilvl for weapon

[sick sentinel]

ty

[last mason]

If you’re baiting orbs on p2 workshop last boss, can u leave the corner where you stack once they spawn or do you need to wait until the first arrows appear

[calm magnet]

Which is the better wep: 460 AD wep or 460 Wrathion wep? Pretty much similar secondary stats, except wrathion wep has corruption

[slender finch]

What essences/trinkets/traits are you guys playing for max dps? Im currently leaving 15-17s with 75-85k dps, running 2 bastion, 1 DC and filthy transfusion (bad helm), vision major cns, sphere, sotw - only doing 15-17s so survivability not much a problem just looking how to inc dps more

Corruption already at 59 so cant put more

[woven kiln]

you're tanking at 59 corruption?

[slender finch]

Ye

[woven kiln]

that sounds so messy

[slender finch]

pretty easy for these keytiers

I tried 79 but that was 2 much

[dusty plinth]

so I staretd logging my keys but I'm tryna figure out the best way to approach going through the logs

like what to look for

especially cause they are M+ logs

[amber siren]

check your cd usage, where you were effectively using shield block and where you weren't and pulls where you took avoidable damage are good places to start

@calm magnet TD will beat the wrathion weapon corruption so you should cleanse it if your budget is already full, otherwise if you don't have better corruption it's a decent AoE proc

[sturdy dome]

What's the easiest way for a prot warr to not suck dick in a KR 15 and get merked lul

[last mason]

anyone actually run td5

or is that not really worth the budget

[amber siren]

@sturdy dome what are you dying to in particular?

[sturdy dome]

The part after the 2nd boss and kinda in the first room

a little all over.

[amber siren]

my ally warrior is running TD5 in 15-19 keys, it's been working well

[sturdy dome]

Bosses no problem, its just the trash.

i run vop major cns minor w/ warden and lucid

Tried versa stack still felt like a piece of paper lul

[last mason]

also is there ever any real reason to look at ur overall healing

or not really

[amber siren]

the first room being the first boss area? on teeming there's an extra witch doctor so it's worth doing that in 4 pulls instead of the usual 3, otherwise make sure as many of the casts are being interrupted with a kick being saved for shadow bolt volley, having a soothe for the enraged dudes is nice as well but otherwise you'll need to use CD's on them

[grand drum]

You mean that double caster zerker pull? you have to rely on people getting interrupts and doing enough dps so you dont die to bleed

[sturdy dome]

So in all honesty

It's not completely my fault

[steel ravine]

Hey guys, with the corruption vendor out, is stacking stats (vers?) the best way to go for pushing keys?

[last mason]

not unless ur doing 25+

if ur not, haste crit

and td

with filler

[steel ravine]

I was rocking TD5 + some IT1

while also stacking haste like a madman

Still viable until you get hit by huge ass damage?

[last mason]

yes

vers is for when u play perfectly and get still get oneshot

which wont happen unless ur doing ultra keys

[steel ravine]

I'm not, goal is just to do 20s

https://raider.io/characters/us/arthas/Zariene

Should I still rely so much on TD

or change it up?

[last mason]

its fine

im the same as u

exceot td4 because im behind on my cloak

[steel ravine]

Pointless to drop below 40C unless I'm pushing high keys and need to survive right?

[amber siren]

if youre comfortable with >40 then no need to change it

[steel ravine]

Trying to fine tune my setup

to get to a point where I'm doing 19-20s fairly easily

[amber siren]

at that level outside major talent or rotation problems, most problems will just be from not respecting mechanics

[steel ravine]

Clearly

[last mason]

u guys think an expedient 3 is worth dropping 5 ilvls on boots and going over 40 c

probs no right

[mortal brook]

depends on content. I'm running td5exped3 atm at 55 corrupt for most everything but push

though next week that just swaps to TD6

cuz itll be 57 \o/

[last mason]

do u pug or run with a group

ive also been considering running a 475 vial over a 465 block but micro managing that might be a pain

[mortal brook]

pugging but not pushing. i'll swap off when i do nzoth prog

to no Thing

and lower slow

[steel ravine]

I feel that pugging at less than 40C is usually best because

so many scrubs

but meh

[mortal brook]

always a gamble. but less of a gamble with the big tds murdering everything \o/

[left hatch]

its a comfort level between you and your healer

tbh TFB isn't the issue above 40

its the eyeball and the slow

[pliant geyser]

why do people decline based on classes for mythics? like i tried to join a +10 and they said they dont want the group to have 2 warriors

[hearty night]

Is debilitating backhand from Kings Rest consistently blockable?

Or is it just parryable

[pliant geyser]

doesnt that only matter on super high keys, the class utility diversity thing, or is there another reason?

[left hatch]

in 10's? literally doesn't matter

people are just stupid

they see a streamer say 'xyz class isn't optimal' or 'you need to diversify group buffs' while talking about high keys

and think that means they need a BM, prot, DH, monk, etc to do their 10's

or that having that comp will make things excessively easier

[marsh smelt]

Anyone know why all the guides I see say to stack haste but all the top armory profiles stack vers?

[left hatch]

haste is a better stat point for point for most content because of how it interacts with anger management. People pushing 28 keys start taking verse because they literally need it to survive one shots

until you get to that point where you're being 1-shot despite perfect play haste is the go-to

[marsh smelt]

@left hatch thanks!

[boreal hearth]

Should i buy td2 now? I currently dont have any td. Or wait for td 3

[sharp night]

it's the same cost:ratio so unless you're afraid of running out of slots, which you shouldn't be, td2 is just as effective

[mortal brook]

Buy a couple td2!

[warm plinth]

@hearty night Debilitating Backhand is blockable, yes. But, just to be clear, blocking an attack does not "avoid" the attack, so any debuffs that would result from that attack (such as the Debilitating Backhand debuff) still happen. It's why we still get necrotic stacks. Dodging or parrying an attack effectively means that attack never happened. No damage happens, and no negative effects that result from that hit landing are applied.

[hearty night]

ah, thanks for clarifying

what about the melees that do more damage afterword?

can i face tank those with block?

[warm plinth]

Also blockable, but he's still going to truck you so you should still not take them to the face on a relevant key

[hearty night]

What kind of damage is he doing that i cant block them?

[warm plinth]

He doesn't do any damage you can't block

Barrel Through, Debilitating Backhand, and his melees are all blockable. He just trucks because of the debuff.

[slate pond]

you can block his hits but if you have the debuff they will still hurt a lot

[hearty night]

Maybe i dont understand block, Does block negate all damage from a melee?

[warm plinth]

No

[ripe helm]

check your block stat

[hearty night]

ok

[warm plinth]

It just reduces it by an amount based on the content you're doing and the block value on your shield and from Iron Fortress/Brace for Impact traits.

[ripe helm]

against evenly matched target its about 60% for me

[hearty night]

ok

that makes more sense

[ripe helm]

idk how they scale with dungeon mobs tho

[warm plinth]

It would be quite a bit lower in a dungeon

Since dungeons have a different k value than open world

[ripe helm]

yeah i never bothered to check

doesnt change my gameplay so its just random knowledge

[warm plinth]

I believe with a 475 shield it's something like 43 or 45% reduction assuming no Iron Fortress traits or Brace for Impact stacks, but I also have shit memory so I could be off.

[ripe helm]

do you know how mastery affects critical blocks?

like if the tooltip says increases critical block chance by 40% is it +40% or does it say increase 50% by 40%?

[warm plinth]

Basically the game does two rolls for blocks

The first roll is did I block

The second roll, which only happens if you block, is for if it's a critical block

Obviously if you have shield block or last stand active, the first roll is always a success

[ripe helm]

crit block doesnt have a passive value right?

its just based off mastery

[warm plinth]

Other than the base mastery amount, no

[ripe helm]

aight

[marsh smelt]

Is searing flames typically worth the 30 corruption?

[left hatch]

if you have nothing else sure

but otherwise its a cleanse

[idle void]

So I just spend a large majority of hte day trying out a build for m+: I have triple stacked brace for impact traits, and took punish, devastator and heavy rep. I don't know if this is truly viable or my TD r3 is carrying me/teeming fortified is an easier week to try this. Any thoughts?

spent*

also my food and flasks were stam

vision major/ anima, warden and CoS minor

[left hatch]

you're gimping yourself pretty hard

like that could be ok in ST fights for pushing dps

but deva alone is a big net loss in aoe damage

and is worse for survivability because it gens less fury

heavy reurcussions has been used in previous tiers to stack SS damage, but Anger Management has way too much synergy with everything else in our kit for that extra second of SB

especially considering bolster helps fill in those SB gaps anyway

and same with you taking punish, its been used in the past for some meme SS builds to st parse hunt

but ITF is flat out superior in almost any context in M+ because of how strong haste is with Anger Management

and that the haste from it scales with pack size, while punish will only reduce 1 target

BFI is an amazing trait in raid, and not bad for M+, but simply not nearly as good as BoM

(another reason why Anger Management is so much better than Heavy Repercussions, BoM turns avatar into one of the most powerful cd's in the game)

stam food and flask are inting

because after a certain threhold stam stops having nearly as much defensive value as secondaries

since you healre still needs to heal all that health back up anyway, vs. if you stack a secondary and don't take that damage in the first place

and the offensive value to your TD isn't as much as youd get via.... haste or versa food which also scales TD

and also the other (assuming correct play) 70% of your dps

and anima minor is a trap

you'll get more damage and defensive value out of CnS, Sphere, Lucid or even Aegis

the damage boost from the stamina is outweighed by the global increase from secondaries

and it can literally kill you if you take a hit that drops you below the amount of health its giving you

so you take a hit and go from 31% to 20k? instagibbed

so no nothing about that build is anywhere close to copmetitive with the standard AM TC spam build

but its a game, you can do w/e

[sharp lotus]

I respect thinking for yourself, and going against the grain. However I agree with Morrison, the build doesn't maximize on prot warrs strengths. And I think you will run into problems by neglecting expectations.

[autumn tulip]

Can someone explain to me how the reflection on cyclone strike works? I know it doesn’t work if your the target of it, but doesn’t seem to do the crazy damage I’ve heard all about when I reflect when it’s on someone else

In temple

[left hatch]

they nerfed it a bit ago

[autumn tulip]

Oh I se

[left hatch]

so it no longer reflects EVERY cyclone

just yours

it deflects the others

[autumn tulip]

So I’m probably doing it right

[left hatch]

yeh

[autumn tulip]

It’s just not crazy as it once was

[carmine cipher]

what corruptions you guys recommend getting for tanking? atm i have TD 1 and 2x surging vitality 3, this is my stuff if it matters

[left hatch]

more TD

[autumn tulip]

Get rid of that weapon my guy

That thing sucks

[left hatch]

what

no it doesn't?

its up there with butcher for being the best weapon for ST and cleave

[carmine cipher]

i main fury warrior, so dont really get tanking stuff, and its

[past schooner]

I got it with rank 3 mindflay in chest 😮

[left hatch]

and even in aoe, hed have to find a socketed weapon at around 470 to beat it

[carmine cipher]

it did 2.6% of my overall daamge at 1.85m

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yeh its a very good weapon

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this is my only other one handed

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not worth

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since it got vitality and a socket i think its pretty ok

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its a great roll

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It’s ok without vitality and socket

Really good weapon

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people freak out because 'no secondaries'

but the effect on it is VERY strong

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Also hello prot chat

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more so on tyranical weeks

as for corruptions more TD

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the shields effect is kinda eh, but it gives me td, so cant complain

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if you're looking to do 24+ keys start eyeing some Versa Amps or IT

yeh sadly thats the worst shield for comparible ilvl

but with nothing higher you're stuck with it

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wont be going 24+, only doing aroudn 15-16 as fury, need to get better at ints and dodging shit

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stack TD as high as itll go

fill in the gaps with Expedient and Ineffable Truth

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icould make this change

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go with the TD

its worth the ilvl

and unless you're getting 1-shot despite perfect play

versa is just something nice to have, its not something to drop everything for

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im bad at maanging my shield block and ignore pain, not used to having to manage abilites like those

im used to pop everything and press all my buttons

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probably approaching IP wrong

its not really active mitigation to juggle with SB

its a rage dump

if you have aggro use SB as top priority

just pour the extra into IP

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ah

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(theres a few small exceptions to that, namely the Zul miniboss in KR and last 2 bosses of Motherload where you can't block them so you just IP spam)

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i was trying to always have both of them up (id only tanked 12 and below till this week where i tanked a 14 and 15, so just not accustomed to it)

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yeh a lot of new prots fall into that pitfall

IP uptime doesn't matter and its just to smooth out damage that goes through your block

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king megagon on his mount doesnt melee you either aye?

so thats another place i dont need to both shield block

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yeh i think thats right

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u happened to konw ohw much td 3 will cost?

i assume like 12000?

cas i need my echos for severe 6 on fury

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15000

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OOF

i think ill wait in that case, fury take priority

there any trinkets i wanna get? other than nzoth one? running Jes' Howler (due to other trinkets being kinda ass on prot i think) and Dragon scale

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at the level you're at

Vita>Dragonscale =Rezan = Butchers Block

LSP is great but if you don't need it (by using it on cd to make spicier pulls and shit) itll be a waste