protection

[trail dome]

I think it might be something that involves a tonne of nanoslicers.

Off the top of my head.

[amber siren]

oh that would make sense

[trail dome]

Which is staggered but not blocked.

That's the only thing I can think of that would make sense.

[loud shoal]

those bleeds hurt

a lot

[tropic cobalt]

hey guys. how much HAste and Versa are you guys aiming for doin 18 - 20 keys? Got 38% haste atm and only 9% versa

[toxic gyro]

True

[trail dome]

For 18-20 I'd advise go haste stack TD.

[lean arch]

maybe the entire area by the blob obelisk

[trail dome]

👍

I've just started 18s on my prot today and felt like I have 0 issues with survivability. So what the actual experienced non pleb people (aka not me) in this channel say all the time seems to be true. :)

[tropic cobalt]

Haste till we die then 😄

And TD

[trail dome]

Quite literally.

Then when you die you look and think would vers have saved me or could we have played better.

[lean arch]

on 18 you should be able to pull fairly sizable pulls constantly

[sharp night]

yeah the 10 mob pull by the right side pillar near last boss can be pretty scary

[lean arch]

except certain packs

like the abominations in AD. fuck those guys.

[loud shoal]

for me personally I feel like anything up to and including 23s tickle me. I start feeling the pain a bit in 24s+

of course magic stuff in lower keys still hurt cuz warrior things

[trail dome]

Who would win in a fight.

15 freehold mobs in a 23

[lean arch]

hulk hogan. hands down.

[trail dome]

or a single charged claw enraged in ML 15

👀

[tropic cobalt]

Claw

[trail dome]

I know which one i'm more afraid of.

[lean arch]

[trail dome]

I died to it in ML15 last week trying to be fancy. I was watching its swings until my wall fell off and then was going to leap away

I leapt, landed where I was going and got auto'd and died from ~30yds away.

I'm not sure if leap is like jump where your hitbox doesn't move properly until you land, or if I died to latency.

[lean arch]

is there a physical component to charged claw, too? or did you not have SR up

[trail dome]

I had SR and Wall up

they fell off as I leapt :D

[sharp night]

charged claw triggers off melees

[trail dome]

I know, but I got auto'd from 30yds away.

[lean arch]

yea, they cast it then hit on next melee

[loud shoal]

spell reflect get's consumed after one swing

[still pagoda]

still have +17AD in my bags

and i will probably have to raid as DPS this tier

[lean arch]

i didn'tk now it lasted more than one hit

[trail dome]

It sure does.

I was also omega undergeared last week

I think I had about 620k hp or something

Made rixxa pretty spicy.

[lean arch]

😬

[still pagoda]

[lean arch]

my arms has near that much

[trail dome]

Well I only rolled warr last week. :D

not the worst setup in the world for only playing it a week

I need to farm CNS though

C&S

[still pagoda]

M I N M A X E V E R Y T H I N G

[lean arch]

are any tanks particularly bad on nzoth?

[trail dome]

take from that what you will

oh wait they added another post nerf, lemme check pre nerf

(the important number being # of parses)

It's not an absolute indicator. Community perception often =/= reality but

it shows you what people think is good on nzoth

[lean arch]

i mean that's the overall trend if you want to change that to all bosses

[trail dome]

eh

[trail dome]

yeah

3600/13000

is a much bigger number than 30/500

(look at druid there)

trends still the same, but it's a lot more extreme on n'zoth

What that says to me is that the top guilds are much more likely to be playing a monk / dk, but I can't tell you if that's for n'zoth.

I healed this tier.

[south yarrow]

I've done N'Zoth as both bdk and vdh

I can tell you I much rather play vdh there

You should really take class representation with a grain of salt

[chilly brook]

I mean the bottom line is all tanks are more than capable of it

[trail dome]

Unless I'm the pilot.

[chilly brook]

I personally very much dislike the damage intake I have as a monk this tier

But they're also popular af

[lean arch]

idk what it's like having competent healers, so monk is out for me

also i find it boring af

[trail dome]

BDK it is then :

or VDH

[chilly brook]

I have found competent healers a rarity

[trail dome]

raid healer is the easiest role to get carried on.

But I also think it's maybe the most difficult role to play optimally. 🤷‍♂️

raid healer is the easiest role to get carried on.

[lean arch]

yea. we have a hpriest that does between 50% and 100% more than the other healers on every fight

[trail dome]

i should clarify that this doesn't apply to people doing week 1 pushes

[chilly brook]

The guild I was in before going to this 7/12m guild literally sat me because I apparently was too difficult to heal as a monk, I then linked logs showing myself requiring less healing than the DK did

[trail dome]

i only tried that shit once and holy fuck is it insanely difficult to heal.

[chilly brook]

So theres a lot of stupidity in terms of healers from my experience

They're still stuck 4/12 so gg

[trail dome]

Like week 1 pushing max dps while healing through heal checks is hard.

But if you're pushing progress this late in the tier I would say healer is by far the easiest role.

[chilly brook]

The GM told me I wasn't ready for mythic and here I am with Vex dead

[trail dome]

/pat

[lean arch]

yea i mean, what was it stormwall where rwf 2 healed it and each healer was doing something like 50-70k

when normal guilds healers are sitting there doing 20k

and struggling

[trail dome]

yeah i only have done one tier ever where we tried to push week 1

which was ToS

and healing that is completely unlike anything else i've ever healed in my life.

Really fun, really difficult. Hats off to people who do it.

[lean arch]

it's the healer one tricks that are incapable of dpsing

and barely get by with healing

[trail dome]

Bad players.

Yes.

[lean arch]

they're all i ever seem to have in my guilds

[trail dome]

I hate that mentality.

Imo every healer should spend some time playing disc

or at least hpal

Like the most useful thing you can do is make sure nobody dies and then push max damage

watching rdruids blanket rejuv the raid when there's 0 raid dmg incoming and not even upkeeping moonfire is very upsetting

[chilly brook]

The thing I find most annoying is when healers talk to a raid leader saying they find x tank hard to heal and dont talk to the tank directly. Like I can help you a lot and figure out where the problem is if you talk to me

[trail dome]

Yeah. I feel I have quite a good insight to that as I've raided as a healer a tonne, but I've tanked I think 4 tiers now.

(pepega dps though)

I think a lot of healers just don't really understand how tanking works in a lot of situations

and I think a lot of tanks don't understand how healing works either.

Like, barring some specific mechancis, I barely ever have to direct heal my tanks in M.

[dark warren]

guys, dumb question but... if i change a belt 460 haste/crit for a 475 mast/versa with exped III

my haste still around 49% buffed even after the swap, so its a upgrade, right?

[trail dome]

if you can wear it without going over corruption budget then yeah

definitely

[dark warren]

nice

[orchid frigate]

approx 8 more hours till we know next corruptions to buy?

[trail dome]

8hrs 49m

[orchid frigate]

ty

[lean arch]

TD plz 🙏

[orchid frigate]

but but i have only 10k echoes on DK 😦

[lean arch]

am 480 and this is my only TD

[sick sentinel]

Mine is haste mastery 470

[dark warren]

"only"

[sick sentinel]

I wanna replace with my 475 haste vers socketed

[lean arch]

when TD6 will be viable next week, yes, only 😛

[orchid frigate]

i have a 460 ring with TD. good piece to have low ilvl on i guess

[dark warren]

my only td was rank1 in a 410 gear

[orchid frigate]

what does dratnos mean in his corruption cheat sheet when he writes "Is Infinite Stars worth when it's good?"

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vQPlWJC64XVWGyeTxgCi4LLoEm6NLwCnkiTF9JYGGyrBoMqtgE0bwBM54aXrZkIVEEN2OoavfT4Tc5E/pubhtml

got r3 IS on a ring for my druid and not sure if i should cleanse or not

[heavy talon]

its good on long pure ST fight

[lean arch]

long pure ST fight when it procs*

sometimes you'll have 9 stacks during lust

sometimes 1

and then you want to kill yourself

[still pagoda]

^

arms warrior feels

[lean arch]

even on my afflock

it's like

ok

time to cause a wipe for a better opener

[still pagoda]

[orchid frigate]

saving it if i go boomie i guess

[still pagoda]

21k echoes

i'm in anticipation of tomorrow vendor

btw

what's up with US vendor?

[lean arch]

?

[still pagoda]

corruptions vendor

any info?

[lean arch]

info on what

[sick sentinel]

there is no info

[still pagoda]

heh

[sick sentinel]

you'll see what it is

when it comes

[lean arch]

it will be posted everywhere

8.5 hrs

7.5?

[sweet summit]

NA corruption rotation when?

[lean arch]

...

[sweet summit]

xD

[trail dome]

oh man

naowh is turning into a crab

[obtuse marten]

Hey, guys. I'm new here. Trying to push my prot warrior game as high as I can. Watching Nerftanktv's last broadcast I saw he was playing with Conflict and Strife major. When asked by the chat whether he liked CaS as major better than Lucid Dreams he simply replied it depended on the dungeon. During the runs I didn't catch much kiting going on. Perhaps he was using some high level minimal movement kiting strat, dunno. Whats the reasoning behind CaS major and what's the best way of benefiting from it? Thanks in advance for whoever feels like sharing their thoughts o/

He was running +24/+25s

[sweet summit]

there is more info on major essences in the pins

[trail dome]

CnS is really strong for huge pulls, but even like

if you clap & take one step back / sideways

nothing is autoing you

but i'd advise that you need to be very very very cognisant of which mobs have melee range abilities they'll use on closest person

like fervent strike or whatever

if you root and walk a step backwards

you might have just brutally murdered your melee

[lean arch]

that's the dh's problem

kite all the shieldbearers

[trail dome]

Just blur

idiot

[obtuse marten]

Thanks, I'll pay attention next time I watch to catch the kiting

To my untrained eye it really didn't seem like he was using the root at all

[lean arch]

nerf has a series of videos on youtube where he pugs keys and does commentary

he talks about all that stuff

[high nacelle]

which mythic dungeon is best for farming haste rings

[still pagoda]

any thoughts on route?

gonna do another +18 rn

[obtuse marten]

Oh, true! I'll check that. Thanks

[lean arch]

idk why you'd clear to the last obelisk

instead of doing with boss

[still pagoda]

hmm

wait a sec

[trail dome]

what shy said

fk that shit

[lean arch]

you can easily do 2 ob with harlan if you wanted

[trail dome]

i think i wanna pull things onto ludwig

i can't tell if the thing south of ludwig is meant to be done with him

[still pagoda]

NOW

that

that's basically a lucid time

[lean arch]

pulling the captain at the end there is still weirdchamp

and you dont have spider obelisk selected, so it's not counting that %

[still pagoda]

i decided not to do it

you know

+18

good DPS

and just nuke the boss

[lean arch]

if you dont select an obelisk, even if you do it with last boss

it doesn't add the % into the total in mdt

[still pagoda]

👀

didn't know

ty for advice

gonna delete one crusher out of pulls

[lean arch]

is how i'd pull

assuming you have a shroud

[sick sentinel]

yo guys, im desperately searching for a cast bar weakaura of your target with target name, i dont find anything properly on wago. am i dumb?

[chilly brook]

Wat

[trail dome]

Sorry I don't quite understand what you're looking for.

[lean arch]

idk, that's something built in to plater

[trail dome]

Could you try rephrasing it.

[lean arch]

he wants to know who his target's casting on

[trail dome]

oh, get plater my dude yeah

shit's wild

i used to use tidyplates cause it's what i used in legion and plater is wild

[chilly brook]

Yea plater/threatplates is a thing

That being said most abilities that are being casted also coincide with what the mobs target actually is if you have Target of Target

[lean arch]

rip that weakaura that drew lines from caster to target tho

[sick sentinel]

yea i want a clean target cast bar which shows the actual target of the cast

i have them on nameplates, but want a bigger castbar too

so i can focus on if there is a big group of mobs

[trail dome]

oh what the fuck

i made a 100% freehold route

that's insane bis

there's 1 knife juggler by target dummies

that isn't tethered to the other mobs there

now it's 100.96%

ok now i'm going to FH to test social tethering

[stiff oracle]

is NA corruptions out?

[trail dome]

and see if i can pull a shipmate without aggroing the other things next ot it

not yet

[stiff oracle]

any idea how long?

[trail dome]

check here on wowhead

[stiff oracle]

oh its with the vision?

assult*

[trail dome]

yup

[stiff oracle]

ah

ty

[trail dome]

@still pagoda

I wanna try this

[stiff oracle]

zero of the free mobs at harland?

[trail dome]

with ravagers?

so far in 3/3 of my past pugs someone has stunned painful motivation

[stiff oracle]

uhh

what key lvl?

[mortal brook]

shame them

[stiff oracle]

if 20s are stopping painful mot, they are selfplays tbh

[trail dome]

i think 18 and 19

[tame garden]

Generally wanna avoid crushers on fort

[trail dome]

😂

[tame garden]

Very slow

[trail dome]

you're not wrong

even if we're pulling them onto stuff?

[tame garden]

Ye

[trail dome]

i'm pulling them onto ludwig here

[tame garden]

They have giga hp and force ppl out of melee

[trail dome]

hm

eh

i don't know how i can avoid those 2 in the arena tho

[sick sentinel]

Yeah not pulling painful mot packs is kind of inting

[tame garden]

They're not in the arena

They're at the entrance

You dont have to pull them

[trail dome]

hm ok

lessee

[sweet summit]

i always end up with over 100% before 3rd boss because i am a mongo tank and just pull and pull and pull

[sick sentinel]

Excellent

[trail dome]

? how's this

ah wait no

that patrol is awkward without pulling crushers i think

[still pagoda]

[trail dome]

[still pagoda]

could have 2-chested if i haven't done few mistakes with pulls

that lead to oneshots

[still pagoda]

though, according to healer

[trail dome]

I hate pulling nothing onto trothak

[still pagoda]

most mistakes were from DPS

so fuck em

[trail dome]

how do fix

[still pagoda]

for not interrupting half of packs

packs lower

near the tents

went ham

+19AD again

[trail dome]

nice one

ew

i fucking hate AD this week

[still pagoda]

i did 2 AD's already

[trail dome]

same

[still pagoda]

+18 #1seconddeplete

and +17 in time that netted me +18FH

[trail dome]

Okay

@sick sentinel @tame garden

critique me

[tame garden]

Does hawgz even use mdt

[sick sentinel]

Excuse me

I plan the routes

I just don’t always stick to the plan

[trail dome]

i want a route i can use while pugging

how does this look?

[brittle owl]

who cares about the plan

just proc TD more

[sick sentinel]

Plan is for normies

[tame garden]

Looks good to me

[trail dome]

is pulling shit onto eudora this week inting

sub 20

[brittle owl]

idk man

[still pagoda]

you can use mine

[tame garden]

Just ask the healer if they're cool with it first

[brittle owl]

how big is your group's colective epeen

[still pagoda]

Pull big, fuck bitches, get money

[trail dome]

i like mine more i think

hm

yeah i guess

i mean sub 20 her shoot isn't killing people so

should be fine 4Head

[sick sentinel]

Yeah if your group is gonna be big idiots and get hit by the grape shot then yes it is inting but If they aren’t nbd

[still pagoda]

i mean sub 20 her shoot isn't killing people so
@trail dome

You know how it is done in keys

JUST STAND BEHIND HER

[trail dome]

ye ok not pulling anything into eudora i'm convinced

[sick sentinel]

Are you trying to 10 chest this or what cause you can easily two chest an 18 FH by not pulling a single thing into a boss

[trail dome]

@sick sentinel correct

my plan is to go from FH 17 to FH27

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

Respectable play

Carry on soldier

[still pagoda]

• Respect

[trail dome]

🥗

[still pagoda]

carry on bruder

[trail dome]

there isn't a salute emoji

so have this salad instead

[earnest furnace]

so i just came back after 8.1 and leveled my prot warr and feel like im just missing something. feel super squishy in tiny tiny keys at like 437 ilvl.

[still pagoda]

em

[trail dome]

are you pressing shield block

[still pagoda]

^

[earnest furnace]

yuh

[still pagoda]

you should be fine if you do that

dunno why

[sick sentinel]

Are you pressing it hard enough

[still pagoda]

i did +15 in 437

[earnest furnace]

.>

[sick sentinel]

What’s shield ilvl

[earnest furnace]

400

[still pagoda]

lul

i was running around with 400 shield for a long time

[sick sentinel]

There is one problem

[still pagoda]

yes, it was a bit harder

but still doable

[chilly brook]

If you feel like you're dying in low keys it's most likely a personal play issue

[still pagoda]

^

guaranteed personal play issue*

[trail dome]

i wish you could count bots in in junkyard mdt

[still pagoda]

like

[sick sentinel]

Poor effective Sb uptime, not using IP, bad Cds, etc

[still pagoda]

i tanked +15's with 400 shield

WHY NOT

[sick sentinel]

Post a log and we can help you

[still pagoda]

^

[earnest furnace]

word ill log next key

[still pagoda]

This game hates me

[sick sentinel]

Ez key

[still pagoda]

well

yes

i can do it after getting more experience with teeming AD

but i will need hunter that will snap shit onto me 24/7

[sick sentinel]

I hope I have an AD on my dh so ghash has to tank that

[still pagoda]

Strength beyond strength

Armor beyond armor cap

[sick sentinel]

Why do you need a hunter

Rogues

[trail dome]

wait there's a bot missing

from MDT

[sick sentinel]

Are better for snapping

[still pagoda]

an option too

[sick sentinel]

A much better option

[trail dome]

there's 100% a bot here right?

[sick sentinel]

yes

[trail dome]

ok cool

[still pagoda]

gonna go try out with my new guild next Wednesday

dunno if i will be able to get tank spot

[sick sentinel]

Don’t fall for the trap

Raid tanking sucks

You will be shackled to the role

With no escape

[still pagoda]

i know it's a residentsleeper place

[sick sentinel]

If you wallow in self hatred then nyalotha is the place for you

[still pagoda]

but i just don't want to touch DPS specs much

[sick sentinel]

Fury is ez mode

Arms also ez mode

[still pagoda]

ik

If you wallow in self hatred then nyalotha is the place for you
@sick sentinel Man, i hate myself for not getting CE in Uldir

nearly 2 years have passed

and i still mourn it

[sick sentinel]

CE is a sticker on your forehead that says I enjoy eating paste

[still pagoda]

well

[modern brook]

LOL

[still pagoda]

pretty much :D

[sick sentinel]

Believe me, CE haunts me every single tier

And every tier i show up, eat my paste, and collect my achievement

2 day/week guild helps

[still pagoda]

well

i really want to raid 2-3 days/week

fed up with 4/week shit and 500 pulls of G'huun by now

[tame garden]

4

[still pagoda]

hope i will be able to stick around with the guild i'm in rn

4
@tame garden ah

welcome to RU

[trail dome]

So I have a JY19 I'd really like to time on my warrior

to start pushing 3k

How's this look?

I'm used to healer so i kinda just follow tank around

[still pagoda]

the place where 99% of guilds have zero friendship aspect, fall apart after 1 year maximum and can't get CE with 4/week RT

[tame garden]

Oof

[still pagoda]

this was one of the reasons i decided to move over to EN

[sick sentinel]

We raid two days a week with one of those days almost exclusively being a meme

[trail dome]

^me

[still pagoda]

the guild i joined raids 3 days a week on Wedneday, Thursday and Sunday

[sick sentinel]

Archnomad are you EU

[still pagoda]

both their raid teams

[trail dome]

yup

[still pagoda]

he's on TN

[trail dome]

stalker

👀

[still pagoda]

i'm a Kazzak shitposter now

[sick sentinel]

Nvm I was gonna say aerial unit is over gunker this week NA

[trail dome]

i used to be kazzak

ye it's trixie this week eu i think

idk it's not gunker

so

[still pagoda]

the only "problem" i have with this guild

it's mostly Swedish(population-wise. Ofc guild is English speaking)

[sick sentinel]

I’m gonna make you a suggestion on that route

[still pagoda]

so a lot of memes come in my way

[sick sentinel]

Give me a minute to draw you up a nice visual

[trail dome]

pls

[tame garden]

Idk if I've ever made a route for junkyard

Collect 5 shockbots then pull 3 mobs at a time in a straight line

Collect 2chest

[sick sentinel]

Yeah but the way he is collecting bots/using pillars is inefficient

My visual is not turning out well

[trail dome]

i have faith in you

try and explain it to me

[sick sentinel]

First, you are pulling the spider as part of your first pull

Don’t do that

[tame garden]

Avoid spiders

[sick sentinel]

Pull up the hill and get the other scrap bot because there is another spark bot over there

Like so

Then, continue down and do gunkers area before the obelisk

[tame garden]

I dont even know where my rogue gets his bots

He goes off on an adventure then meets back up with us later

[trail dome]

prob one of the ones on the path that's a nightmare to get to without aggroing

that's what i do on my druid

[sick sentinel]

Cave by gobbamak is a good one

[trail dome]

okay so

if i do that

surely i do the whole hill

[sick sentinel]

But continuing... after gunker... take your obelisk to trixie and naeno

[trail dome]

then go to the kind of gate

because that 5 mob pull is decent count and gets you 2 bots

3*

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[tame garden]

Beautiful

[sick sentinel]

At this point everyone should have bots

After gunker go to obelisk and take to trixie and naeno

Do not aggro spider pat bh obelisk

[trail dome]

but it's guarding a bot

[sweet summit]

spiders are cursed

[trail dome]

:

[sweet summit]

no its patrolling

[trail dome]

ye i know but there's a bot at the far end of the hill

[sick sentinel]

Spark bot only bot that matters at this point. Those bots are not worth pulling the spider

[still pagoda]

time to suffer

[sick sentinel]

Then once you are in trixie and naeno room you can just pull that at whatever speed you are comfortable. You’ll probably want to com with healer as to when they are ready for spiders

Then, kill boss

And I usually skip the two scrap bots on the other side of trixie and naeno room and sneak around to pull trolls

Because you should not need spark bots at this point

And if you do there are two extras in trixie room

LOLLLLL HAHHAHAHA

[still pagoda]

LOLLLLL HAHHAHAHA
@sick sentinel ?

[still pagoda]

GZ

[sick sentinel]

okay, i went and finally finished a 15 on time

[still pagoda]

Grats

[sick sentinel]

and when i looked at character, was using wrong, unenchanted weapon

Am I correctly seeing you below a RESTO Druid in damage

yeah 😦 i didn't do the best that run

Yuck

Just press TC my dude it will put damage a resto drood

[still pagoda]

^

go somewhere like this DEEEEEPS

the more - the better

[sick sentinel]

too much versa probably 13%

[still pagoda]

i run 10%

it is not a problem

most of your damage should come from TC spam and TD

like this

[sick sentinel]

no td yet

or not good ones, i can get items back in a couple days

[exotic spoke]

Depends on ilvl / gear / pull sizes. TD isn't end all be all anyway

[still pagoda]

^

i did mostly big pulls in this FH18 run

[exotic spoke]

Im not running TD any more for most keys

[sick sentinel]

If you aren’t mongo pulling for the deeps you ain’t Living

[tame garden]

Vers ftw

[sick sentinel]

oh, i gotta get another piece of gear with BoM on it too

only 1 bom

[exotic spoke]

Vers is good - Haste is good. Everything is good 😄

[sick sentinel]

But you know what is best

leech

[mortal brook]

nou

[exotic spoke]

I mean, with being able to get sockets and corruption - I'm more concerned about finding appropriately stated items with tertiaries rather than sockets / corruptions

[sick sentinel]

That’s what I’m saying!!

I have been watching the ah like a vulture for cheap leech pieces

[trail dome]

same

[chilly brook]

I hope @warm plinth is running leech today

[warm plinth]

I don’t think I have any leech guys sorry :’(

[sick sentinel]

I got enough to go around

I still don’t know what key we are running this is exciting

[tame garden]

[sly prism]

Hey guys, thoughts on Filthy Transfusion? Brain tells me it's probably garbage in reality but thought I'd ask

[main vault]

It’s actually super good

But not better than other things you could get

[sly prism]

Yeah don't have any BoM/HoD duals

[candid path]

It's alright. I wouldn't recommend it over anything good (DC, BoM)

[sly prism]

So running 3xBoM/1DC/1 Scheming/1 Transfusion

[sick sentinel]

That’s fine, I’d save for a piece with cwh

Or two

[sly prism]

Yeah that was the plan

[sick sentinel]

HoD is great but cwh is better imo

[warm plinth]

Did you check what key your DH had Hawgz?

[candid path]

Clockwork Heart is 🧑‍🍳 for M+

[sick sentinel]

What

[candid path]

Supposed to be chef emoji.

But yeah, it's a fried egg

[sick sentinel]

What does that even mean

Also @warm plinth no lmao not yet

[candid path]

That it's very good.

[sweet summit]

its very good

[candid path]

Yep

[still pagoda]

just seen people leave 3 my AD's in a row

after they died on first pack

RIP AD19

RIP AD18

RIP AD17

calling it a day

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphetide

at least i've pushed this far

[trail dome]

AD this week sucks

:

[lean arch]

ad every week sucks

pro tip tho

straight to mid, snap dino pack and lust it

[still pagoda]

hmm...

pugs will probably be feared by this

[tame garden]

Straight to mid as in

2 Saudis packs + triple skyscreamer + middle?

[lean arch]

i mean

[tame garden]

Or you clear on your way

[lean arch]

clear straight to mid

[tame garden]

Now I wanna do it all

[lean arch]

3 skyscreamers and dinomancer to interrupt sounds fun

[tame garden]

It does

[ornate urchin]

Stat question for y'all: How much Haste should a prot warr minimally have before moving to Vers?

[sick sentinel]

Don’t think of it that way

All the haste you can get your fingers on

Then you can start to prio haste>vers as you move higher in m+

And by high I mean like +23-35

You can comfortably do 18-22 keys with very little verse

[ornate urchin]

Hmmm okay

[lean arch]

tell that to rixxa

[ornate urchin]

is Rixxa a vers advocate?

[tame garden]

Yeah she's a big fan

[sweet summit]

might be

[lean arch]

people go full dam, then hearth out to the hozen throne to switch to vers for that bitch

[ornate urchin]

I feel like i take a lot of magic damage from Shad so i was thinking vers might help out with that

[tame garden]

Just make your cotank the dissolve simp

Ez

[ornate urchin]

rn its basically just a rotation instead of specifics

[sick sentinel]

What’s your cotank

[ornate urchin]

Guardian Druid

[sick sentinel]

Yeah make that turd take all the dissolves

He lives for pain I can already tell cause he plays bear

[ornate urchin]

LOL

Raids tonight, maybe we'll give that a shot

[sick sentinel]

Yeah just use intercept to take crush

Or use leap to reset your taunt

Whatever you prefer

[ornate urchin]

Didnt know intercept would take the debuff from him as well

[sick sentinel]

Never tried it I always used leap but was informed here like two weeks ago that it works lmao

[sweet summit]

it does

i can confirm

[sick sentinel]

Also I have decided i wish that section of the raid didn’t exist

Like give me a 9 boss raid without those 3 and I’d be fine

[still pagoda]

Honestly, after years playing with moderate weapon/character model scale ration, belf femals feel like it's some kind of anime stuff

[sweet summit]

is that the arms MT weapon?

[still pagoda]

yes

[sweet summit]

i wish i had that, it looks so cool

[still pagoda]

i don't have purple tint

but blue(OG), green and yellow are in my collection

purple looks the best IMO

dunno if i can get it now

[inland silo]

i really want the purple too

[still pagoda]

it's an RBG one

[inland silo]

i have all 3 other colors

[still pagoda]

same

i lack all 3 PvP colours for MT weapons

[sweet summit]

you should be able to get it since you have the base MT one

[inland silo]

ive been using that purple one instead

[sweet summit]

hell yeah, that one with m nya set looks sick

[still pagoda]

mythic Nya set is actually cool IMO

[sick sentinel]

Tbh we have had some turd gear sets this expansion with the exception of bod

[still pagoda]

Uldir

[sick sentinel]

People actually like uldir set?

[still pagoda]

when raid itself was cool

but tier set was garbage

[sick sentinel]

Raid was cool?

Are you trolling me

[still pagoda]

RDPS perspective

[sick sentinel]

I played ranged in uldir

[still pagoda]

i liked it

except for Fetid

[last mason]

At what honor lvl do you get the 2nd pvp tiny

Tint

[still pagoda]

30 iicr

[sick sentinel]

Honor level 30

Wow

I am honor level 9

And have played since vanilla

[sweet summit]

respect

[sly prism]

Is there an easy way to change a WA package from being horizontal to vertical?

[still pagoda]

Is there an easy way to change a WA package from being horizontal to vertical?
@sly prism

Change collumn space

[sweet summit]

10/10 image

[sly prism]

thanks both!

[onyx storm]

i've recently joined a mythic plus group and i have a demon hunter who is ripping threat from me and refuses to wait for me to get my pack position, thunderclap and a revenge or 2nd clap on for threat and its causing all sorts of issues. is there a resource that can teach me how to optimize on-pull threat and how the group can help this too? i feel like its a simple - dps need to allow me to grab aggro fully before going ham, but no one accepts this? as if the extra 2 or 3 seconds will ruin everything in the m+

[lean arch]

purple MT tint is from RBG wins i think

rip that

[sweet summit]

let him die

[onyx storm]

haha

[sweet summit]

avatar+charge>clap>demo>clap is the optimal "on pull opener"

[lean arch]

also idk if you can get MT tints on a toon that didn't beat the mage tower? the warrior im playing now isnt my legion warrior :<

that one is still 110

[inland silo]

thats what im wondering now too

warrior im playing now is different

[onyx storm]

on pulls where avatar is down is there any modification?

[main vault]

Let him die

[onyx storm]

lol

[sweet summit]

^

[main vault]

If he wants to be an idiot, kill the fucker

[onyx storm]

he dies so much

[main vault]

Bet he stops quick

[onyx storm]

even if its nothing to do with threat

[main vault]

Keep letting him die

[sweet summit]

tell him "i dont have avatar going into this pull, if you die you're boosted as fuck"

thats what i do

works sometimes

[main vault]

DH are literally scum who do that

[onyx storm]

yeah its really frustrating to the point of anger

hes shouting at me I HAVE AGRO

[sly prism]

BUT EYEBEAM IRIS FIRST TWO GLOBALS IS BIS DMG

[sick sentinel]

I’m bout to be a dh scum that rips threat off @warm plinth

[onyx storm]

and im like i know you literally meta beamed whilst i was charging

[main vault]

Replace him

[onyx storm]

im going to have to if he doesnt change

[exotic spoke]

Hard to replace someone when you just joined the group

[onyx storm]

yeah

and hes a great guy

[tame garden]

3 hours @sick sentinel

[exotic spoke]

More likely you’ll be replaced - not the DH

[sweet summit]

3 hours?!

[onyx storm]

mmm ye

[sick sentinel]

Hope you are ready to brick a key speg

[sweet summit]

thats not EU friendly

[main vault]

Even if you are

Eventually they will realize he is bad

[sick sentinel]

If a dh did that to me I would just get super toxic

[main vault]

^

Best way to deal tbh

[onyx storm]

he says that he 'has to' go ham to stay on top deeps

[sick sentinel]

I would literally just start inting

[onyx storm]

and i dont really want to argue being new

[sweet summit]

then he "has to" die

[onyx storm]

but i know thats bad

[exotic spoke]

Dead dps do zero dps

[main vault]

You have to grow balls

[onyx storm]

no shit

[main vault]

How new you are doesn’t matter

Tell them the issue

[onyx storm]

ive tried

he rejects it and everyone else is passive, probs going to move on

[main vault]

Then go Hawgz route

[onyx storm]

i needed to hear that my thinking was right

[sick sentinel]

Alright just resort to saying “can’t hear bad players” every time he speaks

[onyx storm]

and that i wasnt being a dumb fuck

[main vault]

Just be super fucking toxic

Don’t move on

Get kicked

[exotic spoke]

He can use his defensives and if he survives great. Don’t sweat it

[main vault]

And earn it

[onyx storm]

hahaha

[main vault]

If you are gonna move on drag him with you

[sick sentinel]

I am not joking you I would start pulling like 3/4 of the dungeon and blaming the dh

[exotic spoke]

Havoc DHs are solid off tanks for short bursts. The healer I run with says “treants are best tanks - HDH are second best. For short time periods”

[main vault]

Just pull entire cragmaw room

[sly prism]

I mean coming from a DH main, you literally don't do any less dmg by waiting a couple globals

[onyx storm]

lol want to hear the best bit?

he said he wouldnt want to run netherwalk for nether taunt because he gets leech from his othe talent

[sweet summit]

DH main 👉 🚪

[sick sentinel]

Pull both elementals at once in shrine and say you expected higher dps

[onyx storm]

and that helps him more

[sly prism]

yeah probably find a new DH

[main vault]

I’m with Hawgz

[onyx storm]

lol

[main vault]

Just massive pull and then make a smartass comment about top damage

[tame garden]

@sick sentinel I'm always ready to deplete

[sick sentinel]

Excellent brother

[exotic spoke]

Speg you’re too cute to deplete

[sly prism]

just run loads of TD and beat him on dmg

[sick sentinel]

Oh no he isn’t

[tame garden]

Riki

[sly prism]

then call him a retard

win win

[main vault]

No

[tame garden]

Were gonna do the most demon key

[main vault]

That’s boring

[sick sentinel]

This is gonna be a new level of depletion

[main vault]

That’s not toxic

[exotic spoke]

Go on?

[tame garden]

That's had ever been

[onyx storm]

as soon as td on the vendor im ready

[exotic spoke]

I have a shit rogue can I join?

[onyx storm]

got shit loads of echoes

[exotic spoke]

Don’t buy a ton of TD

Not worth

[sick sentinel]

Is your shit rogue sub

[tame garden]

Unfortunately we have 5 Chads already

[onyx storm]

i need at least rank 3

got rank 1 atm

[desert flax]

I main VDH and my rotation has come down to waiting for TD to proc

[exotic spoke]

Look up Notriki-Tichondrius @sick sentinel

[tame garden]

Also its horde riki

[exotic spoke]

I stand by my statement Speg

[sweet summit]

VDH is fine
HDH is not fine

[desert flax]

if a VDH is pulling threat off of you when you're in a dungeon as a prot, something really weird is happening with your comp

[exotic spoke]

He’s not saying that lol

[main vault]

The first being you have two tanks

[desert flax]

and yes that DH is brain dead

[onyx storm]

no its a hdh

[main vault]

The fuck you talking about

[exotic spoke]

He’s saying HDH is opening before he’s hit the mobs

[main vault]

VDH

[sweet summit]

i am confused now

[onyx storm]

who would run a vdh as dps

[desert flax]

I know its a HDH

[main vault]

How did you get to two tanks from there

[sick sentinel]

Am I gonna have to get toxic in this chat?

[exotic spoke]

Let’s keep it calm

[sweet summit]

bring it on

[main vault]

I come here just for toxicity

[desert flax]

Is it even toxic here?

[sick sentinel]

It oozes from my pores

[main vault]

Very

[onyx storm]

i was saying hdh is pulling aggro on pulls because what i think is he isnt waiting for me to get my shout, claps and shit he just immediately goes ham as soon as he sees my charge or throw

[desert flax]

no yeah I know

I was making a bad joke

[onyx storm]

ahh

[sweet summit]

[onyx storm]

lol

[desert flax]

and that DH is brain dead and deserves what happened to him

[sick sentinel]

There’s only one course of action to take

[desert flax]

if he doesn't learn from repeatedly dying just move on

[sick sentinel]

Punish the group for his actions

Don’t move on

Hang on it

Punish him and the group

[onyx storm]

hold them hostage and make them suffer

got it

[desert flax]

demand to be justified

[sweet summit]

force then to do tol dagor

[sick sentinel]

Demand more damage until you are removed from group and never spoken to again

[desert flax]

don't do anything until he apologises in person

[onyx storm]

i want a moonpig card with an apology with 50 lines of i will not pull aggro on pulls

[sick sentinel]

Then send in game invoices over mail demanding they compensate you for wasting their time

A price of 69g 4s 20c

[onyx storm]

invoices nows thats an idea

[sick sentinel]

Sometimes if i bring a pug who is bad and tilts me they get an invoice for the carry

It do be like that sometimes

[onyx storm]

if not report them for racism

problem solved

[sweet summit]

na

dont do that

[desert flax]

I was just in here to ask about how Prot is looking for both raids and dungeons in SL because the videos I've watched so far are pretty split in terms of opinions and I was thinking of maybe maining prot

[onyx storm]

i wouldnt do that

[sick sentinel]

What is shadowlands

[sweet summit]

too early to tell mate

[onyx storm]

i cant even bring myself to be harsh with him about the pul

too nice

[sweet summit]

it looks like a spec. thats all i can say

[trail dome]

anyone got that clip

[sweet summit]

what clip

[trail dome]

of the guy opening on trothak with eyebeam

and getting oneshot

[desert flax]

I mean numbers aside is it looking solid for both or is there anything that makes it fundamentally unfun and bad

[sick sentinel]

Yep here you go

[sweet summit]

thats funny man

i like that

[desert flax]

comedy genius

[tame garden]

Is it

[sick sentinel]

If someone asks me to clip something in raid that comes their way. Speg doesn’t know what he’s getting in to

It ain’t much but it’s honest work

[tame garden]

😨

[undone sun]

https://tenor.com/view/clippy-microsoft-office-word-publisher-gif-5630386

[tame garden]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

so, to reiterate about the dps thing since a druid did more

always TC?

always always?

[sweet summit]

TC on CD in aoe for damage

[sick sentinel]

TC and SS should be used on cd in any scenario

[desert flax]

is there a guide to what spells you can reflect?

[tame garden]

#268491842637660160

[sweet summit]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRvMMhBT1xyvECDvAlxXirfLYtgzYZ18vjY3zRyA4LU7NgVg5Vmj-MroMT5W6i94q0aYNodyer0hbZ3/pubhtml

[desert flax]

thanks

[chilly brook]

When is this trainwreck happening again? @warm plinth

[still pagoda]

what trainwreck?

[sick sentinel]

6pm PST @chilly brook

[sick sentinel]

THE train wreck @still pagoda

[chilly brook]

aight coo

[still pagoda]

ah

SHIT

gonna just go to bed now

[chilly brook]

This game actually hates me, killed every boss in NWC that drops a 1h weapon for DH and no drops

[still pagoda]

will look up NA vendor tomorrow

[sick sentinel]

Welcome to my life @chilly brook I am running our key with 390 weapons

[chilly brook]

lol

been there literally

[sick sentinel]

I have been trying to get weapons for 4 weeks

[chilly brook]

my shaman has that luck

[sick sentinel]

But now I can bring dh to reclear

Getting my mythic slappers

[chilly brook]

ayy

[sick sentinel]

If I can hold threat

[chilly brook]

lol

[sick sentinel]

Which remains a question mark

[chilly brook]

I let my TD do the work

[sick sentinel]

I just got TD

But unfortunately a monk with TD and a non 390 weapon will still pull threat

I have to basically spam taunt raid bosses on my dh lmao you can imagine how keys go

[tame garden]

The only way you hold threat

Is if your cotank is also a ratty alt

[sick sentinel]

Looks like I’ll hold threat tonight then

Kekw

[tame garden]

[sick sentinel]

what do i do here to miss the pack

[still pagoda]

nothing

just walk between 4 maggot and this one

ah

i see

well

you don't do the red marked pack

at all

just pull your currently occupied mobs away from the bridge

[sick sentinel]

okay/

[still pagoda]

i usually collect this whole area before bridges and nuke it down

[patent falcon]

@mortal brook any link for ur countdown ?

[undone sun]

it's also on wowhead

[mortal brook]

itll be there for a full 3 1/2 days, even

[sharp night]

it's PDT not PST @sick sentinel @chilly brook so 1h 15min from now cause we're on daylight time now

er

[tame garden]

Whatever

[chilly brook]

correction andy

[tame garden]

6pm west coast time

[limpid pawn]

hey can anyone share with me a good route for like UR 20+

just curious waht you guys are doing

[sick sentinel]

I got corrected by a customer at work that it’s daylight time

I started inting at work

[mortal brook]

its 3 hours regardless

[chilly brook]

Did you hit them with an "onnnn siiiiiteee" @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

I am not cool enough to know what that means

[chilly brook]

dsiregard the whole whole thing except for the clip in the timestamp

https://youtu.be/ushYIOjRRXM?t=519

@sick sentinel

couldn't find a twitch clip

[tame garden]

My queen

[chilly brook]

On sight boi

on sight

[sick sentinel]

guys dont worry i got a 460 strength weapon on my dh

[tame garden]

[sick sentinel]

https://i.imgur.com/jYQhfZi.png

:)

@sick sentinel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/716026199394222110/WoWScrnShot_052920_162342.jpg

this was today, but i had really shit dps

good work lad

this is the key we are running for our scuffed alt run

@tame garden @warm plinth @chilly brook @sharp night are we doing this thing or what

[sharp night]

ghash said he might be like 15-20 min late

[tame garden]

:nop

[sharp night]

so just hang out a bit i guess

[tame garden]

pissed

[sick sentinel]

ugh, i need to re-route undersuck for when dps is low, or if we pull right side adds after first

[chilly brook]

Ye

I'm in a scuffed key rn

[rotund willow]

How do you guys deal with the ticks in underrot on high keys? Feel like I'm destined to die in 21 keys. I'm assuming it just needs stunned better? Should I kite them?

[sick sentinel]

A) you should only pull 1 set

B) surviiiiiiiive

[rotund willow]

Lol sounds good. I just wasn't sure if I was missing a easy tip

[tame garden]

you should kite them

dont get high stacks

[sick sentinel]

what is kite

[soft mason]

New to Prot, our stuff is up all the time.

Is that thanks to Anger Management?

[sharp night]

yes

[chilly brook]

I'll be chiillin in voip in here @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

https://pastebin.com/Dg8k7Wpr

can someone tell me if this looks correct for undersuck?

[mortal brook]

does none of that 4th obelisk stuff pull?

[sharp night]

i skip both packs after first boss

but it's hard to do in a pug

[mortal brook]

esp on teeming week

[sharp night]

unless you have shroud

technically can just walk past but it's finicky

4th ob stuff does agro afaik

it's really close at least

[sick sentinel]

mdt says i can skip deathspeaker +3 after 2nd, so might try that

and just kill the 3 things at final ob

[pastel sleet]

alright alright. so im told by literally everyone that anima of life minor is bad. and i believe them. i would like an understanding of why. in detail. can yall help me?

[trail dome]

It gives you hp when you don't need it

[sick sentinel]

you lose the buff when it matters most

[trail dome]

and goes away when you do need it

[sharp night]

you can actually get killed with it up (although less likely to happen as prot warr)

if you're at 35% hp and take a hit that's your hp-60k or whatever it is

it will kill you because it subtracts the hp buff before the hit

[mortal brook]

its free bursting dmg taken

[pastel sleet]

oh snap

i didnt realize when it went away it took away current health too

[mortal brook]

its also a point of opportunity cost; you're giving up better choices to take it

[sick sentinel]

oh yeah the absolute subtraction

[pastel sleet]

i run m+ pretty much exclusively in the 10-15 range. currently running: Vop major Lucid, warden, and aegis. thoughts?

[warm plinth]

👋

[trail dome]

I'm guessing you don't have conflict & stride

strife

I think this is a good week for aegis, sphere of suppression is also pretty good

[warm plinth]

@chilly brook @tame garden @sick sentinel You guys ready?

[sick sentinel]

were in voice

[pastel sleet]

i like the idea of anima adding to TD but not running a self inflicted bursting

i dont have C&S and would never have higher than r1

[sharp night]

r2 is free

you literally cannot lose rating below 1000 so it's just a grind

[mortal brook]

good echoes too

one of you warrior nerds gonna stream it?

[warm plinth]

I am

[pastel sleet]

what would C&S replace?

[sick sentinel]

I want to ask but i think i know the answer, how is CnS better than AoD? what i'm seeing is 520 versa constant, vs up to 820 versa, x2 when below 35% with a heal, but if only the boss only 82 versa

[mortal brook]

generally its 1st CNS, 2nd resist essence,,3rd wildcard to content.

[sharp night]

cns isn't based on number of targets

[warm plinth]

@mortal brook @sweet summit http://twitch.tv/pinkympf

[sharp night]

it's just stacks permanentyl

as long as you're fighting

you're thinking of aegis?

[sick sentinel]

yeh