What about lucid major, when is it used?
#protection
limpid pawn
still pagoda
i'm just ready to pull big every fucking time
limpid pawn
With avatar on pull?
sick sentinel
I usually use before avatar
still pagoda
and yes, i really want to try lucid
ionic fern
Why before tho? Avatar gives you 20 rage - that's one of your biggest rage generators next to BV.
limpid pawn
Right
limpid pawn
So, lucid major helps avatar come back real quick?
ionic fern
It is on GCD yes.
sick sentinel
It is
limpid pawn
Because of the extra ignore pain span I can do?
warm plinth
Yep
limpid pawn
That on top of the leech is the main reason it’s used?
warm plinth
Lots of rage generation from spamming TC/SS = lots of rage to spend = lots of cooldown reduction from Anger Management
sick sentinel
The leech is nice but the main benefit is back to back avatar
limpid pawn
K
warm plinth
The leech is just a bonus. The main benefit is huge uptime on Avatar (and thus Bastion of Might)
ionic fern
You can Lucid->Charge+Avatar pretty safely without losing too much.
sick sentinel
That is what I do
still pagoda
full rage bar guaranteed
limpid pawn
On 20s is it even worth going lucid
warm plinth
But it does allow your healer to be more free to DPS because you're basically not taking damage
And the amount you are taking is healed by your big boi claps
sick sentinel
Imo not worth it for 20s
limpid pawn
I’ve always just VOP a major
sick sentinel
Unless you are wasting rage
limpid pawn
There is a downside, which is loss of damage
ionic fern
I enjoy the control it provides.
sick sentinel
Not really a loss of damage
limpid pawn
Vop can give higher dps than lucid major no?
sick sentinel
Can, doesn’t usually
still pagoda
teeming is just an ideal weak for such experiments
sick sentinel
Because it requires far less skill to play properly
And the general population doesn’t need another button to press
still pagoda
i like stacking CD's
limpid pawn
But like If you’re 3K+ you still aren’t necessarily doing 23
still pagoda
limpid pawn
But you are definitely skilled enough to use an extra button lmao
sick sentinel
Correct
ionic fern
Okay, try to understand something.
VoP is a fully passive option that does decently well into semi-high keys.
THe downside is that it's RNG and you can't control when it procs.
The higher you get in keys the less RNG you want involved due to the punishment of mistakes.
limpid pawn
I’m def trying lucid next run
ionic fern
There is literally NO ONE stopping you from playing Lucid even in a +5.
limpid pawn
And vop minor
still pagoda
i'm just ready to try
limpid pawn
Nah all of prot discord stopped me from doing it, they literally took my hand and clicked it away
hoary thicket
Im trying to make a choice between two corruptions. ATM Im 450ilvl, and I have a 460 gloves with Void Ritual 3 on, and a 445 boots with Stars 2 on. Im not sure which one to cleanse. I dont raid only do M+
still pagoda
character armory still not updated
sick sentinel
The consensus here and why we all say VoP is because most people struggling through lower keys will not have an easier time if they use lucid
ionic fern
🤷
You will be successful in running VoP in +20's and Lucid as well.
Hell, you can even run AuG if you want to.
limpid pawn
Aug?
modern brook
augs a bad gun tho
ionic fern
99% of your survivability comes from your own decent play.
modern brook
just get m4 its cheaper and more effective
ionic fern
@hoary thicket Void Ritual. 🙂
limpid pawn
What is aug
sick sentinel
Undying gift
hoary thicket
So I keep my VR3 then Mwahi?
ionic fern
Stars is a PURELY single target corruption so it finds almost no use in m+.
limpid pawn
Oh, I do run that but for raids for prog
warm plinth
When has aug ever been a bad gun
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/GICxDtx.png i like this overall, big atal pumper
limpid pawn
It is absolute tits for prog
hoary thicket
Thank you 🙂
warm plinth
Not even 100k smh
modern brook
u didnt even beat ur dps SMH
still pagoda
so... Since my old transmog doesn't really work, i decided to change things up a bit
strong forum
ye speg
limpid pawn
Queens court, drest, ilginoth, vex
sick sentinel
No fights in this raid especially require aug
limpid pawn
Huge magic damage fights where you’d get clapped for using crucible major
hoary thicket
ewww cloaks
sick sentinel
Tbh if I want to hunker down I just run VoP
limpid pawn
If your entire raid is progging it makes it easier
still pagoda
Yes capes
ionic fern
Long story short:
VoP/Lucid are both solid.
VoP is mostly suggested due to its passive nature (especially since we don't know the skill level/familiarity with the class of the person asking) and it still does decently well without having to pay attention to it up to fairly high keys.
sick sentinel
I mean I prog just like anyone else and have never been the reason my guild can’t progress
still pagoda
and other stuff like them
ionic fern
You can +20's or even higher with VoP as well.
sick sentinel
Can confirm
cosmic canyon
Nice recap mwahi
orchid frigate
getting stronk
sick sentinel
Excellent work soldier
Keep fighting the good fight
i need to learn how to tank H nya
Stand there
mortal brook
taunt when you should, move to right place
sick sentinel
Now you know
mortal brook
did i miss anything?
sick sentinel
dont put tail in raid, don't put breath in raid, make sure no dps in front for cleave, hold aggro, taunt off when needed
basics i guess?
You forgot one crucial detail
Always pump
Chase dps
big papa pump?
Yes
From a tank dps perspective nyalotha has some fun fights
From a tank mechanic perspective every single fight is snooze
sick sentinel
I had some mind blowing deeps coming out of psychus on nzoth
sick sentinel
Hnnnnnng
tame garden
i had a 2.7m td crit last raid
sick sentinel
Yeah I think my best is coming out at like 211k dps
tame garden
sick sentinel
With SR of anguish you can absolutely destroy nzoth too
Never leave melee
Always pump
jovial vortex
Hi guys, i'm coming back to tanking after a long pause and i was wondering what was the best equip set i can use for M+, i got a haste + versa one and then the one i use for dps full crit and haste with multiple expedient on it. I know that haste-versa should be the best but at the same time crit and haste are a good combo for both offensive and defensive situations. What would you use between the two? Both sets are around the same ilv of 475
jovial vortex
Alright, i just needed someone to confirm it since i didn't really saw it stated clearly, thanks
ripe shale
The hotfix will make it so the flat cooldown reduction provided by Fist of Justice (and similar abilities) will not be unintentionally increased by effects that increase your cooldown rate (such as Ineffable Truth).
Does that mean that AM will not work with IT anymore ?
inland silo
thats what we assume
graceful flume
why AM should be affected by this change?
mortal brook
likely because anger management reduced cds of abilities, and ineff was double dipping to both reduce the cd and also give a boost to anger management's cd reduction too
still pagoda
pugs just depleted my +17UR
taking cleaves, dying in puddles on last boss
and other shit
it was a really close run tho
and healer DCed right at the pull of last boss
sick sentinel
What trinket should I use, I have the vial from underrot 460, the eyes of rezan 465 and the humming black dragonscale 460. Should I go full haste or Vial and Eyes?
mild ore
so IT will become obsolete?
that would be sick considering i got rid of it like two days ago lol
still pagoda
rezan+scale @sick sentinel
though you can use vial instead of one of those
it's pretty nice
sick sentinel
though you can use vial instead of one of those
@still pagoda Cool thanks, i'll be using rezan and scale! 😄
still pagoda
honestly
lucid feels pretty good
even though i wasted some rage, it just gives so much control over pulls
i think it will stick tight with no wasted rage after a bit of practice
languid raven
Only recently started playing prot warrior for the first time and succeeding somewaht so far. My biggest problem is magic damage, what is the best ways to handle that for us?
kr+15 it felt like everything just cut through me whenever they were allowed any sort of cast
sick sentinel
Most casts should be interrupted
sweet summit
spell reflect, stuns, kicks, demo shout, wall, LoS, externals, heathpots, healthstones
sweet summit
they can help
limpid pawn
Quintex the main problem is your group isn’t kicking the spells
limpid pawn
As a war you can kick 4 times on most mobs - pummel, shockwave, storm bolt (you fucked up if you’re not talented into this) and fear
Probably 5 since your pummel will return after all that
daring marlin
^ignore this
limpid pawn
On top of all that, you have 3 dps who should also have a ton of kicks interrupts
daring marlin
Organizing your group's kicks is what needs to happen
limpid pawn
Chances are, they aren’t using their abilities nearly as much as they can
main vault
Alot of those arent kicks, and dont act like kicks
daring marlin
Setting up a discord is pretty standard
limpid pawn
I’m just saying, In a non perfect world you can kick like 5 spells just by yourself
limpid pawn
It’s not standard in any pug I’ve done, and especially not in a 15
inland silo
no ones joining a discord to do a 15
limpid pawn
Guillford just take the L son
daring marlin
Every pug 20+ I do does
chilly brook
I practically leave every raid that asks for us to join discord
daring marlin
? ? ?
limpid pawn
This naga equating a 15 pug to a 20 pug
warm plinth
I mean, +20s are a whole different world
limpid pawn
You guys reading this? Lol
chilly brook
It's just not needed
main vault
I just left
limpid pawn
“My 20 pugs use discord so his 15 pugs must also use discord “
daring marlin
Imagine telling someone to use his stuns and fears for kicks when there are a plethora of mobs immune to them and lol needing kicks for 15s
limpid pawn
Now he’s in defensive mode trying to win this
warm plinth
Guilford you have a bit of a superiority complex huh
daring marlin
wat
warm plinth
Just saying because you're pulling out this "lol needing kicks for 15s"
limpid pawn
“WELL I aM riGhT aBoUt OnE tHinG sO I dIdNt LoSE”
warm plinth
Like that's hugely condescending considering the vast majority of players find 15s difficult
limpid pawn
Exactly
A new player asking tips about why he’s getting trucked by spells in KR 15
And you act like it’s the same as a player who pugs 20s
You know that it’s not the same.
It’s like you just wanted to let us know you did 20s LOL
mortal brook
are we okay in here guys?
limpid pawn
Yeah we cool
mortal brook
limpid pawn
But this naga is getting the brollikk treatment
daring marlin
Idk that guy seems upset cuz I told someone to ignore what he said
limpid pawn
Gotta get taken down a notch
Guillford take the L son
It’s not that serious we know you’re good
Let us help the newbie with real advices
daring marlin
But this naga is getting the brollikk treatment
@limpid pawn This is the cringiest shit I've seen all week
Remove your head from your ass
limpid pawn
Everything you just wrote above is cringe
daring marlin
lol
warm plinth
Let's try some de-escalation here guys. Like this is just turning into a pissing contest at this point.
limpid pawn
You immediately respond with “imagine” sentences and then try to act like you weren’t completely wrong about what you are saying about discord in pugs just to save face
Like son we know you do 20s in pugs and are elite we get it
But let us help the new guy jeez
tame garden
warm plinth
Git it gurl
daring marlin
I didn't even say that. The point was that joining discord in pugs happen. Who hurt you?
Also, if he was struggling with casts in KR in a 15 he could easily do a quick kick rotation for early mobs.
tame garden
Ion hurt me
languid smelt
@sick sentinel is in here too?
tame garden
🤦
warm plinth
@sand egret ANOTHER PUN
limpid pawn
I suggested that he take care of the interrupts he can do himself before relying on the group because you know, that’s the easiest thing to control first
undone sun
who
limpid pawn
And you just told him to ignore that because ego?
tame garden
#steveforreg
mortal brook
hai bladesong
undone sun
hmmm
sand egret
:hey-bear:
limpid pawn
Again - just take the L - all of the things you said after that point were condescending as hell bro
daring marlin
Stun and fear all them mobs immune to them lol
limpid pawn
Right because all mobs are immune to fear and stun
limpid pawn
This guy is like someone who got caught watching porn by his mom trying to talk his way out
mortal brook
I told optimus prime a joke. I was then arrested for vehicular man's laughter
daring marlin
MUH SIDES
sand egret
A+
main vault
Man you bitches still fighting over this
undone sun
😐
limpid pawn
Like dude just acknowledge that maybe you don’t have the new persons best interest in mind and instead you just want to one up me at all costs?
mortal brook
chillllll man
warm plinth
Speg I thought you were cool
sick sentinel
Can you guys take this to DMs my god. Also joining discord even in 20+ pug is a lul
still pagoda
wtf is going on?
warm plinth
Honestly it's just getting dumb at this point. Guilford is barely even responding
undone sun
who knows
tame garden
@warm plinth you were wrong
warm plinth
Just let it go
warm plinth
How is she gonna be all lackadaisical while she's fucking up the weather patterns and probably making global warming worse
tame garden
You mean like hawgz
main vault
But like, you are no better, and probably worse, right now
tame garden
Who's too good for voice chat
main vault
dont need voice with 100% leech
tame garden
Hm I hadn't considered that
languid smelt
sick sentinel
Voice chat sux
I would rather brick my own key than bring mouth breathers into discord
warm plinth
Would you join voice with me Hawgz?
sick sentinel
There’s only room for one person to mouth breathe in my discord
And I fill that slot
Yeah ghash I would
warm plinth
❤️
sick sentinel
How else would I tell you to be better
Kekw
Running keys with me is an absolute fiesta. Sometimes I just unintentionally throw and it’s the way she goes
candid kernel
is 430 vita worth using or i should swich to others? Got these trinks Briny 470, Dragonscale 460, Void Titanshard 460, Torment Jar 4460, Sigil of Warding 460, Lingering Sporepods 460.
What would be best combo for m+ ?
undone sun
that doesn't sound fun at all @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Executing a snap in AD that i have done a hundred times. Miss jump
Personally I’d probably use scale and briny @candid kernel
But I have truly no idea how much haste a 430 vita gives
Thyme what do you mean of course it is fun
candid kernel
208 + 1.449
sick sentinel
Eh I’d probably use the vita and the scale then tbh
sick sentinel
See? Someone who gets me
And if the timer is tight and I am under pressure say goodbye to the chance of me making that jump
warm plinth
I would imagine if you could leap there, it wouldn't work as a snap point
sweet summit
yep
still pagoda
icy flax
Do you guys have any tips on how to deal with little adds on Mythic N'zoth ?
still pagoda
+19AD
icy flax
outside of psycus portal
still pagoda
btw
my "guildies" tried to roast me for moving over to horde and saying that it's a straight up better PvE community
mortal brook
riiiiiight
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
@icy flax what do you mean by deal with them? The best you can do is run around thunderclapping to pick them up
still pagoda
So after seeing healer leaving +19AD over my small mistake(accidentally dropped into rezan pit with saurids while trying to snap), i think i should redo the road and try removing double honor guard pulls
this is what came to my mind so far
sick sentinel
No sky screamers above rezan eh? Free %
still pagoda
it kinda goes above the budget
mortal brook
you're free %
sick sentinel
I though people were doing the Dinomancer pack in the middle this week.
You can, but you don’t have to
Can save time though to do Dino pack
sick sentinel
I don’t usually pull it cause I hate pulling it
sick sentinel
But I pull things differently than you do here
still pagoda
new rio started counting in despite me still not having updated armory
this week is pretty good so far
done first +18 in time
moved over to horde
just saw my +19 going nowhere
sick sentinel
Are you dropping down to fight rezan after first boss
still pagoda
nah
i wanted to take all saurids and just walk down to him
it's probably not a good thing
warm plinth
Dinomancer pull isn't even bad as long as you snap it
still pagoda
👀
warm plinth
It's really efficient and a lot of %
warm plinth
Just don't miss the snap Hawgz!
sick sentinel
Lul me and not missing the snap good joke
warm plinth
Just bring a hunter and then you can get to the snap point comfortably without worry 🙂
tame garden
explain
chilly brook
@tame garden tbh voice chat being required for most pugs in heroic or 15s or lower is often just an early indicator of a rough run to come
sick sentinel
The 1000 damage from multi shot merely distracts foes
tame garden
ye probably @chilly brook
sick sentinel
Voice in any content
chilly brook
I speak from experience
sick sentinel
If all members know their job there is no need for voice 
chilly brook
Nah like is mythic raid and if you're actually being serious about keys voice is great
still pagoda
+18AD time
sick sentinel
chilly brook
But if you're being serious about keys, you're not doing 15s
sick sentinel
What if I’m not serious and I’m also not doing 15s
sweet summit
dinomancer pack is free % when its not necrotic
chilly brook
Dwayne the Proc Johnson
sick sentinel
I rely heavily on gear and beer to get me through higher keys
sweet summit
change my mind
mortal brook
just remember that the DEAF guild cleared mekka before many other guidls did
tame garden
what makes it not free on necrotic
sick sentinel
Mekkatorque gives me war flashbacks
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
@sweet summit as long as your group can destroy the dinomancer chick without getting people sniped on raging
But that was last week
sick sentinel
“Uh purple doh I mean yellow” beep beep
still pagoda
mortal brook
I could feel the toxic from hawgz's group all the way across the guild
tame garden
just soothe her
warm plinth
You don't need a huge amount of threat for a snap. The mobs just have to be on you
sick sentinel
Man Steve I was toxic wasn’t I
warm plinth
With a hunter, you can fuck up the snap jump and it won't scuff the pull
Because you can just try again
mortal brook
hawgz you were a boulder among moss
sick sentinel
Bring rogue
chilly brook
Cuz hunters are melee but better
tame garden
also i can just stealth to the snap spot
sick sentinel
Now I have found my way to a place where all are as toxic as I
tame garden
cuz i play the superior tank
warm plinth
I mean, your rogue can get fucked up even with tricks up
sick sentinel
I am complete
tame garden
and i will win
mortal brook
like katy perry
chilly brook
And Ghash will shout
chilly brook
Lol
sick sentinel
How toxic is it when someone tells me to shout in raid and I do in fact shout irl into the mic
tame garden
its not toxic
warm plinth
Toxic isn't the word I'd choose there
tame garden
it just makes you a monkey
sick sentinel
They asked for it
chilly brook
Who isn't a monkey
sick sentinel
A monkey who pumps
tame garden
me
chilly brook
Jokes I'm not
tame garden
im a bear not a monkey
chilly brook
Because I'm a rat
tame garden
sick sentinel
Speg will you accept me when I am a bear
mortal brook
heroic axe them all
chilly brook
Dont worry about shield block uptime
Worry about whether or not you're getting the proper use out of your shield block casts
Then try and get as many effective casts in as possible
sick sentinel
You literally just run around thunderclapping @proud ember
proud ember
Worth holding back avatar I gues?
sick sentinel
And tell your hunters to use MD in them and hope they come to you
warm plinth
Hawgz you should DPS a key I tank so you can see how bad I am in reality
sick sentinel
You’ll see how bad at dps I am too
tame garden
tell your ranged to stop padding on psychophages
sick sentinel
That would be fun
warm plinth
Speg has already seen how bad my DPS is, so
wild violet
@chilly brook thanks matey
tame garden
ranged should not even dot them
chilly brook
Can I heal so you can see how bad I am at that?
tame garden
waste of globals and makes it harder to gather them
warm plinth
Are we all NA horde, btw?
chilly brook
Yee
warm plinth
Hawgz you're NA horde right
warm plinth
We should make this shit happen this weekend
sick sentinel
Blue team sux
mortal brook
no lie
warm plinth
Everyone plays on their scuffed character
sick sentinel
As long as I get to heal
mortal brook
im here to chillax tho
warm plinth
I thought you were DPSing
chilly brook
Wait I was healing
warm plinth
Griff said he's healing
chilly brook
MW or holy pally?
warm plinth
So I'm the shit tank, Hawgz is the shit DPS, and Griff is the shit healer. We just need 2 more shit DPS to make our dream a reality
Are you equally shit at both?
sick sentinel
I request a sub rogue pls
chilly brook
I'd probably be worse on pally
warm plinth
Play pally then
warm plinth
Speg you got a shit dps alt?
chilly brook
Yes glimmer is still busted
warm plinth
Or are you shit at your druid's DPS spec
chilly brook
So busted they made it a talent in SL
tame garden
i could play scuffed boomy
warm plinth
You're in
tame garden
that i havent touched since last patch
tame garden
i can promise you
warm plinth
Your treants may be my only hope for survival
tame garden
there will be no banging on my end
sick sentinel
So we have 4 baddies
warm plinth
We just need 1 more scuffed DPS alt/alt spec for our run
Probably can't do it til tomorrow though. Got shit to do after work tonight
warm plinth
@warm plinth
@sick sentinel
@tame garden
@chilly brook
When are you guys available tomorrow? (Pinged myself so I can find this post easier)
sick sentinel
I’m off work at 5 pst (implying I actually work on Friday)
tame garden
uh i think i have a dinner for my sisters birthday to go to so later is better for me
sick sentinel
Big fan of scuffed keys
warm plinth
I'm usually on late anyway so
sick sentinel
Ghash what are you tanking on your war
sick sentinel
Poor way of asking what character
warm plinth
Oh, yeah my warrior
tame garden
no vengeance ghash?
chilly brook
I'll be on after like 1pm PST @warm plinth
warm plinth
Honestly I'd do vengeance but my DH is actually geared and has good corruption for it so it probably wouldn't be as bad as prot war
sick sentinel
I might have to play arms
warm plinth
@tame garden What time you thinking you'll be home after the dinner?
warm plinth
I'm good with that
How high of a key do we want to try to do 🤔
I think my war only has like a 14
sick sentinel
What’s the highest key we have lmao
Wel my warrior is my main so he doesn’t count
But dh has a 15 I think
warm plinth
My war is only like 462 with a 445 shield btw, so let's keep that in mind 😄
sharp night
you need a scuffed alt for 5th you know i got everything lol
sick sentinel
Do you play sub rogue
sick sentinel
Excellent welcome aboard
tame garden
my monk has 17 underrot
sick sentinel
Yes I will be on at 6PM pst
warm plinth
We can try the UR if you guys want but a 17 fortified with a 445 shield sounds horrifying
Otherwise we can do Hawgz's DH's 15
sharp night
i gotta go look up what sub traits are even decent this tier
i haven't played sub since the nerf in uldir lol
warm plinth
lol
vince is my normal M+ tank so he can attest to my uh...not great tanking skills from our alt keys 😂
warm plinth
That's how I feel too
sick sentinel
Known fact
sick sentinel
JY can get hairy fast
warm plinth
It was the pull to the right as you're coming up to HK-8. Both packs with the troopers/renormalizers and a coilbearer
sick sentinel
Trixie and naeno room I always try way harder than I should lmao
sharp night
lol
warm plinth
Yeah I tried double pulling the mechanic pack and dogs in that room too. Also did not go well 😂
sick sentinel
“I GOTTA PULL IT ALL” “hawgz no you don’t we have 35 minutes on the timer”
warm plinth
😂
sharp night
tfw the last pin in the sub channel in ravenholdt is from half a year ago...
sick sentinel
pulls all of it
sick sentinel
My classic move in m+ is asking my healer if he is good for a big pull as I’m already leaping in
warm plinth
lmaooooo
sick sentinel
I operate on the assumption he will say yes
tame garden
cant remember the last time i saw a sub rogue
like even aff locks and shit turn up occasionally
but sub rogue?
sharp night
their website guide is so out of date it recommends class specific traits when HoD apparently sims highest
sick sentinel
I pugged a 16 with one last week on my dh lmao
still pagoda
hunter slacked so much
warm plinth
We are fucking doing this
sick sentinel
I don’t know my dude, my dh has 390 weapons
warm plinth
We're gonna time it too
sick sentinel
He is 465 ilvl
tame garden
ive done 1 key as ww before
sick sentinel
With 390 weapons
still pagoda
i haven't seen any misdirect on myself. Even though i asked him for snaps
tame garden
but i have beam rank 3 so i believe in myself
warm plinth
@chilly brook is gonna have a lot of fun healing us
still pagoda
he was like "I CANT"
chilly brook
Ha
warm plinth
We're doing 6PM PST tomorrow btw Griff
warm plinth
Yeah I mean, I'm the only one who matters anyway
chilly brook
lololol
warm plinth
Just heal me and we good
tame garden
full melee quaking how could we possibly die
chilly brook
I'll even join you in melee cuz h pally
strong forum
frontals
warm plinth
Yeah, ez
strong forum
nothing personell
sick sentinel
Let me know when you’re gonna pull small so I know when to pop meta
warm plinth
What key is your 15 Hawgz?
chilly brook
Light of the Martyr is your main heal as an h pally isn't it? :kappa
warm plinth
It's gonna be fucking awful
tame garden
warm plinth
We're about to do a goddamn King's Rest or something probably
tame garden
what have i signed up for
sick sentinel
If it’s a KR what a time to be alive
sick sentinel
Yes all prot warriors lurking will want to see this
still pagoda
Last place dps who is the real slacker here
@sick sentinel
i have only 20% from TD though
sick sentinel
Where is all your TD
sharp night
ok i got 1 each of the one-off traits and 2 heart of darkness
still pagoda
i'm running TD3
sharp night
maybe i'm set
warm plinth
If vince is top DPS overall with a 445 rogue, I'm gonna laugh til I cry
tame garden
td vendor waiting room
sick sentinel
The chance he will beat me is large
tame garden
spent 25k on vers3 still have another 18k for td where is it
sick sentinel
I am a terrible dh
tame garden
now i feel like my monk is too geared for this
should i come on my priest and do 20k overall
sick sentinel
Ghash you have to pull big so I can pad with meme beam
warm plinth
Well yeah
sick sentinel
Or else my overall will be terrible
sick sentinel
Good for you pal happy for u
still pagoda
controllable DPS and survivability boost is just really good
sick sentinel
By survival boost you mean becoming invincible for 15 seconds and moderately invincible for 40
sick sentinel
Should pull all that anyway with vision :^)
sick sentinel
That is not the scary trash in that dungeon
warm plinth
Honor Guards are the scary trash in AD 😬
still pagoda
yes
sick sentinel
I pull precisely two honor guards
still pagoda
made this slacky huntard pull away packs to take obelisk
he was standing for 15 seconds doing nothing
while everyone in the group wanted him to do exactly this
sick sentinel
But the most dangerous trash of all
still pagoda
same with dinomancer pack
sick sentinel
Is me when I am trying to jump in the snap points
still pagoda
huntards gonna be huntards forever
red fern
Any suggestions on what to play as an alt tank? Ofc my main is Prot warr.
warm plinth
We only pull 1 honor guard
red fern
Haha ok
warm plinth
Hunter pulls away the other 2
red fern
What about guardian
sick sentinel
🐻 will have its time
warm plinth
Guardian is good
mild ore
so IT is gonna be poop?
sick sentinel
Not total poop
sharp night
well
mild ore
so big poop
sick sentinel
Like warm poop
sharp night
apparently just spamming shuriken storm and secret technique/evis on the 4 target dummies
i can sustain around 45k 👀
so i'm ready to do some bad dps
sick sentinel
Well it’s official Vince is gonna beat my ass
warm plinth
lmao
sick sentinel
I really wish I had an arcane mage for this
tame garden
id play feral if my reforge costs werent so high atm
sick sentinel
Feral is too good
tame garden
not my feral
sick sentinel
Excellent
How bad are you at ww
Are you one of those guys that says they are bad but will still beat my ass
Cause when I say I’m bad at dh i mean it
warm plinth
How can you even be bad at havoc DH
sick sentinel
Don’t ask ghash
tame garden
idk i made the monk a month ago to play mw and only play ww for world content
so im ok geared but have no idea how to play the spec
sick sentinel
The 390 weapons really hold you back believe it or not
tame garden
so i will prob win just off my ilvl
warm plinth
Here, I'll teach you to play DH. Press Eye Beam on cooldown, press Blade Dance/Death Sweep on cooldown, press Chaos Strike/Annihilation in between, or Demon's Bite if you don't have enough Fury for that.
That's it, that's all you need to know
tame garden
ok but is that for single target or aoe :kappa:
warm plinth
Imagine havoc having a different rotation for different situations
sick sentinel
Let’s let all casts go through as well
warm plinth
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tame garden
can pally dispel disease
warm plinth
Yes
warm plinth
God help me
sick sentinel
Don’t need kicks if you fuckin blast it before it casts
sharp night
rip
sweet summit
might still have some uses since it works with reflect, but yeah :(
late panther
very rare cases and theres no dungeon where reflect is that crazy that u'd wish u had 1 more during a fight
why do they always nerf the fun stuff
i dont get it
sick sentinel
Bad game
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Bad devs
sweet summit
ineffable ravager dream lives on tho 👀
sick sentinel
You meme but I did party sync bgs a while back and absolutely smoked some kids running ravager lmao
sweet summit
sick sentinel
question about shrine RQ, is water ele+2 group before first boss just too much for some groups? or is the bridge pack just that much easier?
Don’t pull the water ele
warm plinth
Yeah water ele is actually fine but you have to play it correctly. In a PUG I definitely wouldn't risk it
warm plinth
Yeah bridge pack is easy
Where are you taking 1st pillar to though?
Or are you not meaning the obelisk
sick sentinel
group i was in almost had me skip bridg pat group, and i said "positive?"
I wouldn’t skip a bridge pack
That is free %
Ele can be free too
But less likely
And heckin hp
sweet summit
just solo it with reflect :)
sweet summit
void bolt?
sick sentinel
3rd
sick sentinel
Reflect brother free boss damage
trail dome
literally free
the way that boss works is
"I REFLECT FIRST"
dh kicks anyway
gotta get that dps gain
"okay well rogue and hunter both have kick up, i'll let one of them kick 2nd."
take half your hp in magic dmg
🤔
trail dome
me too
i swear dps know when i'm going to reflect
also did our alt hc run tonight
finally a DC haver
and 3rd BoM
amber siren
poggies
trail dome
actually pretty big I think considering I was sitting at 472 eq
although
i now have ~20 nzoth kills across all my toons
all toons other than my warr still using engi head
🤔
that boss is cursed for me
we even stacked 7 platewearers for me tonight in the alt run
forest escarp
is there a haste % i must aim for to have shield block almost all the time ? and when does it start to be a waist ?
sweet summit
no and never
high nacelle
how does ineffable truth work? if it procs do i need to use for example last stand for it to reduce its cd or?
sweet summit
it doesnt work anymore
warm plinth
If the ability isn't on cooldown, IT does nothing for it.
sick sentinel
Blizzard shot us with the nerf gun
high nacelle
is it on all cds or ?
warm plinth
Yes
sweet summit
all warrior abilities
high nacelle
what u mean it doesnt work xD
sharp night
all class cds, no trinkets/essences/etc
warm plinth
Well
high nacelle
so i shouldnt use it as a filler?
warm plinth
The reason we liked it is because of its interaction with Anger Management
Which is being nerfed
So you're better off running Expedient or something of that nature as a filler rather than IT
warm plinth
trail dome
Cause it has the same sort of interaction with judgment & judgment reducing sotr
nooooo
sick sentinel
I like that they wait until people spend all their echoes on it lmao
warm plinth
Blizzard chose the interaction that literally no one gives a fuck about as an example for why this is being nerfed 😂
warm plinth
Yeah I imagine it matters in PvP but like, in general there are way more important interactions being affected
sharp night
just stack masterful and do 150k dps on maut instead
warm plinth
And they didn't mention any others specifically
sharp night
until they figure out how to nerf that
how tanky is a pally with 100% mastery anyway
that sounds pretty wild
100% block uptime and some amount of reduced dmg in cons
warm plinth
Yeah, and blocking spells o_o
trail dome
@sharp night i've been messing with that build the last few days
need masterful to come out but I think it's really good
if you play righteous protector it makes ineffable truth procs (rip) fucking WILD
IT reduces the CD of Judgement which reduces the CD of SotR which reduces the CD of LotP & Wings
and you can get absolutely enormous uptime on wings (>80%) which gives you crazy mastery & self healing. 🤷♂️
I was actually gonna try and really push io with it
because I think it's good
but if they're nerfing the IT thing that's a pretty huge nerf considering that that build triple dips
Man fuck. I'm sad about that.
I spent echoes on IT on my warrior too
still pagoda
TD4 time
trail dome
Glad for you. I need to find a piece with TD1
or TD2
and i can join that club
This was 900k a week ago
minimum
Soon. Soon...
main vault
500k with TD isnt bad
trail dome
yeah i literally made my char a week ago
and i can easily 5 mask all chests all crystals
tawny maple
Carry runs are literally for people who don't play the game
trail dome
the cloak catchup is very nice
tawny maple
It's so weird
trail dome
also, for m+ how good is iron fortress?
main vault
there are worse
limpid pawn
I sell 5 mask runs for 100K
latent hollow
wait how much are people paying for 5mask?
limpid pawn
I’m the cheapest on my server
main vault
100-150k on mine
warm plinth
People buy from Gallywix all the time and they're 295k for loot only or 340k for objectives (5 mask)
main vault
gally is more in US
main vault
gally just has trust, which costs money
warm plinth
Yeah that's how I've always looked at it. But I'm a bit biased :p
main vault
shouldnt even have to ask
warm plinth
Yeah if you have the haste set, it's probably about even
But if it's just the bit band on its own, easily replaced by the N'zoth ring
high nacelle
its 445 haste vs 233
main vault
#allstatsmatter
mortal brook
bit band??
high nacelle
protecting bit band
mortal brook
oh. heck
modern brook
👍
warm plinth
Weird flex bro
modern brook
Are you dying to water blasts yet?
limpid pawn
yes but i think that is my fault when it happens lol
limpid pawn
yes
warm plinth
TIL
limpid pawn
you're on tichondrius?
warm plinth
Yeah
limpid pawn
hm... name?
limpid pawn
lollll
trail dome
took 4 days for me
gl
if i need 10 corruption resist which minor do we like most
for m+
still pagoda
last mason
Yikes shrine is really hard this week
still pagoda
Yikes, who that guy was
limpid pawn
the increased damage buff is like what, 6 seconds?
warm plinth
Yeah
trail dome
ye
still pagoda
I run lucid in 18's and 19's right now for test measurements and because i like having total control over pulls
main vault
Lol
still pagoda
There is no need in lucid up until higher keys
I just run it cause it's just much more fun than VoP
And because it adds additional element of planning
main vault
Yeah even if not "needed" it can be better in any situation if you can use it
still pagoda
In my opinion, the choice between VoP and Lucid comes down to what you want
Simplicity and just cookie cutter type gameplay or maximum benefit on planned big pulls and more control over the flow of the spec
IT might be safe for now
sweet summit
Dont give me hope
still pagoda
I like that they wait until people spend all their echoes on it lmao
@sick sentinel
Lmao didn't spend any on my warrior
Sitting at 19k
Waiting for TD and exp3
amber siren
IT nerf, GW nerf, EV nerf
if only this could of been fixed on the PTR instead of 5 months in
sweet summit
If only we had a Public Test Realm for new systems and changes where people could leave feedback
😩
limpid pawn
doing my lucid testing too, it is definitely nice
but you have to force yourself to spam IP like mad
to not waste rage
i see the avatar coming back twice - amazing
sick sentinel
I think vop just feels bad to play once you get used to lucid or CnS. I agree spamming IP can be a lot of apm in big pulls tho, but that’s what makes it exciting. I’ve never been able to fully get avatar off cd right when it ends tho, usually need one more rage dump or so after. Even in high keys
cosmic coral
whatre some hard hitters in UR? gonna do a +20 and just wanna know what mobs will hurt or bosses, ik first boss has casts that need to be interupted
trail dome
Are you aware of wicked frenzy
cosmic coral
that is the thing the oen dude in that skeleton pack gives right?
trail dome
Yup
warm plinth
Well, potentially 3 this week
trail dome
^
warm plinth
If you let the one with the defilers get off a raise dead cast
If there are no skeletons, it doesn't do anything. He just casts it regardless
It basically enrages the skeleton it's cast on and makes their melees apply a shadow DoT
cosmic coral
well, what does it do exactly if u can say, ill just wowhead it if you dont remember
stacking dot? can it be reflected?
cosmic coral
can it still be stunned
trail dome
yes
warm plinth
If you have a hunter or druid, they can soothe it
cosmic coral
ah okay, ill have an rdruid wiht me