When should I start looking at replacing T Dev pieces with stat pieces?
#protection
fervent ice
ionic fern
If you are just interested in "When am i going to get to 100% crit block chance" then iirc it's roughly at 4.2k mastery.
Close enough
fervent ice
When that .5% happens 6 times in a row next time I pull Rezan. I'm coming back here.
fervent ice
😆
fervent ice
I felt pretty pressured last week on Tyrannical +20
ionic fern
I doubt it's because of melees.
sweet summit
block wont help vs the bleed :p
ionic fern
Probably because of the bleed.
Tho Rezan can be a "special" case as the bleed also increases your physical damage taken.
But a +20 should be np.
fervent ice
yeah now that you mention it, I looked at damage taken after and the bleed was 60+% of it
ionic fern
Jep.
Can't be blocked & not mitigated by armor.
#HealerMechanic.
All you can do is to keep SB up since he still melees during the bleed and rotate your CD's like DS/LS/SW/Healer External for each bleed.
sullen valve
@ionic fern AMR says to demo shout only during avatar. Why
ionic fern
I wanted to do a pepoheart but i forgot we in Skyhold.
sullen valve
💜
still pagoda
amber siren
trail dome
forest fern
Hey i hear on vexiona shattered resolve can be reflected back at vex, how does the timing of this work. I was playing with it but was unsure if it was actually working, are you supposed to use it when there's between 0-1 seconds left on the despair debuff?
forest fern
ah okay, i was trying to figure out whether it was negating that aswell given you're preventing its application to you essentially. Is the reflect damage on the boss worth it? I think i did it a few times but i wouldn't show the damage as a source on a meter
amber siren
it's more about preventing the last tick of the debuff on yourself than the reflect
im not actually sure if it reflects onto her or not
forest fern
yer, i kinda wish it was unreflectable at least then you could gain the duration effect of spell reflect instead which would likely be way more beneficial
amber siren
well the debuffs main issue isn't the damage, it's the damage you take just before it expires
so 20% DR on the debuff might mean less damage for you, but being able to prevent it at the point where it actually will impact your raid is where you'd still want it
shrewd steeple
Hi Guys for pushing 15 keys is it really true to run vision of perfection major? also whats better trinket wise? psycic shell & Dragonscale or psyic shell& vita titanshard?
trail dome
yes vop, efinitely vop
if you have to ask, vop :)
also, dragonscale & vita
damage is really low in 15s this week, there're no affixes that make anything particularly scary
and in a 15 you should be happy to just build for max dps.
strong forum
^
hasty quest
Arch is right, but if you need an extra cd you can run shell:)
sturdy dome
ionic fern
You won't be having 100% SB uptime regardless.
strong forum
Vop / lucid major
Null/cns/warden minor, avoid pulling as much trash on left side as you can
And then just your usual rotation?
hidden plaza
So first time using Fang in a 18 Tol didnt always go well lol
sweet summit
there is a monkaGIGA pack by triad, with two witches
strong forum
Fang is finicky
hidden plaza
yeah should practise on lower keys lol
still pagoda
just had a totally fucked up experience
+15TD(my key on monk)
pugs not interrupting shit
and healer(who had 2.6k rio as DPS) slacking despite seeing monk with no urchin/LPS combo
hidden plaza
Null minor for wcm?
strong forum
There's alot of magic dmg going on yes
strange tide
Is Null major worth for KR this week? I know I probably won’t use it till last bridge and Zul but just thought I’d ask
ionic fern
@strange tide no.
trail dome
@ionic fern are there people here who'd be interested in vod reviews? 👀
ionic fern
You can review my Enhance Shaman play.
strong forum
Have you pressed stormstrike?
No? - press it
Yes? - good
Thanks for coming to my enha review
strong forum
Glad I could help 👍
strong forum
You mean shaman.
strong forum
Cuz nothing on that spec gets love
trail dome
Rsham will get a spot as long as SLT exists I think.
They also have a v good mastery. 🤷♂️
strong forum
Sure maybe in raid, outside of that. Tough luck ♿
trail dome
ye true
strong forum
The mastery is horrible
trail dome
It's a v good mastery on prog. 🤷♂️
brittle owl
that shits way too fun
ionic fern
I enjoy Enhance like 100 times more than Elemental.
amber siren
enhance is true windfury masterrace
left hatch
Yeh i like enh way more too lol
brittle owl
resto > ele > enh
strong forum
Imagine having resto druid, that heals more, when he heals more. Resto sham heals more when he heals less.
Nice game
left hatch
Feels like a zappy rogue
brittle owl
can't beat soaking and squirting people to life
still pagoda
brittle owl
also can't beat emperor palpatineing packs
still pagoda
can't beat uninterrupted casts
worthy reef
best guide for a fresh prot? icy V or wowhead?
brittle owl
i rate resto sham prob on par with disc priest in terms of fun gameplay
check #268491842637660160
also icy veins
ionic fern
I like Resto shaman as well - i've only played it in m+ situations tho..the only times i swear is when i have to move and heal at the same time without Spiritwalker's.
😒
still pagoda
just seen huntard pulling storm ele with his pet
lower keys are pure hell on earth
empty locust
Noticed tonight spell reflect can reflect the insanity bomb on M-carapace, is this something that is recent? never noticed it before
mortal brook
doesnt that set off the bomb?
empty locust
yes
mortal brook
dicey
empty locust
has this always been the case?
brittle owl
ya
amber siren
yep
modern brook
@worthy reef icy veins is maintained by ppl from this discord. Both are valid, I point ppl to icy veins
still pagoda
^
worthy reef
ty
still pagoda
quit 5 pug keys in a row by now
seriously
teeming-fort is a literal pug killer combo
crimson compass
Hey guys real quick question, is there a addon which helps you with routes for M+?
still pagoda
MDT
ebon hound
^
still pagoda
Method Dungeon Tools
crimson compass
ty$
brisk ferry
what a name
limpid pawn
What siege path you all using this week
cinder fern
@forest fern if you're the off-tank reflecting shattered resolve does damage to vex and not to you, but it still applies to the raid. As main tank I think it's just dr.
limpid pawn
I’m trying to figure out a good one
cinder fern
I don't know on that one since I'm the add tank in my raidgroup. Edit:re: vex
strong forum
Any route that let's me avoid the dungeon itself 👌
still pagoda
^
worthy reef
you get Strength of the Warden by using 45 sparks right?
mortal brook
r3, use in prot loot spec, yes
left hatch
sphere is a good alternative
modern brook
sure is 5 ilvls
pliant bane
but no secondaries
modern brook
sure is 5 ilvls
pliant bane
right can someone else provide an input?
strong forum
Ilvl > stats
main vault
Sure is 5 ilvls
strong forum
Especially on weapons and shields
modern brook
weapon damage is pretty hard to get on a ring.
strong forum
Not to mention that the proc off of the weapon itself isn't half bad either
main vault
Just enchant it duh
pliant bane
only reasson why i question it is that you lose all of the secondaries
strong forum
Yes, but you want the weapon dmg
pliant bane
alright thanks bros
main vault
Secondaries don’t matter
strong forum
And higher ilvl provides higher weapon dmg
main vault
That’s why they are called secondaries
lime path
sure is 5 ilvls
novel anvil
sure is 5 ilvls
undone sun
ionic fern
TLDR;
All stats are very close together for us.
Meaning that more stats=better
Ilvl=More stats.
+str/sta
orchid frigate
ok, good thanks!
wheat jasper
don't forget armor!
orchid frigate
or as some say, armour
weary trellis
hey guys, i'm currently running Vision of Perfection as Major. But saw that alot of people run Memory. Is this something only for high keys or was there a change that isn't reflected in the icy vein guide? 😄
main vault
Gonna start another fight in here lol
amber siren
weary trellis
It's elaborated upon in the pins
@strong forum Saw it, thanks! 🙂
still pagoda
so
question to people here about rio and how it works. Does it matter if i transfer toon over to other server and than faction change or not?
main vault
Nope doesn’t matter
amber siren
as long as you update your profile after you're done, it'll be fine
main vault
Just resync your bnet and eventually it’ll show
still pagoda
ah
ok
so it remembers particular character instance even after name change due to switch from Cyrillic to Latin?
main vault
It should do
Because it is grabbing that info from Blizzard not the site
So as long as a Blizz recognizes it, the site should
still pagoda
alright if so
trail dome
yea it's fine karton
but it took mine like 4 days to finally catch up
i did server xfer & name change
still pagoda
got some tea right now as it processes faction change
once it is done... Fuck Gordunni. Kazzak-EU is my new place
main vault
Until you find a new guild and xfer again
still pagoda
well, i will search for raiding guild here
wheat jasper
guildhoppers.. tsk tsk
still pagoda
i don't think it will be as much of a stretch as it was one month ago on Gordunni
guildhoppers.. tsk tsk
Serverhoppers* 
we're going big
wheat jasper
been in the same guild for 12yrs
main vault
I’m sorry
modern brook
imagine liking the people you play with
still pagoda
i join a raiding guild, progress with them.
sweet summit
theres nothing wrong with wanting to play with better players as you evolve as a player yourself
modern brook
fucking sub optimal tbh
still pagoda
a place of endless guild hops because most raiding guilds die really fast
main vault
Along the way I’ve made friends
still pagoda
you always make friends along the way
main vault
But I’m sure not gonna cripple the content I wanna do cause a few people are friends
That’s for simps
wheat jasper
we've had 4 guild meetings across europe. wouldn't have it any other way
still pagoda
great for you
main vault
The days of being in the same guild forever and realm identity are rare
main vault
Yeah that happens
main vault
I wouldn’t mind staying in a guild as long as we clear the content I want to do
still pagoda
never was in a guild for period longer than 7 months
still pagoda
one minute till faction swap processes fully
strong forum
The shortest I've been in an actual guild was 2 years
main vault
But I also had to swap to EU for 3 years then swap back
Can’t really stay in a guild then
still pagoda
gonna transfer my warrior onto Kazzak-EU right away
strong forum
Been in 4 guilds Total
main vault
You gonna fix that mog before you go
still pagoda
?
wheat jasper
main vault
Only 1 120!!!!
still pagoda
2
wheat jasper
use that xp boost, bro
main vault
I wish I only leveled 3 characters
still pagoda
then quit at the end of BoD*
main vault
This is the end of BFA
still pagoda
well. During Legion i leveled 5 chars and boosted one with BfA preorder
how long faction swap usually takes?
i'm sitting for 15 minutes here already
main vault
I have 16 120s
still pagoda
amber siren
usually around 30-60 mins
main vault
yeah its not instant like other stuff
still pagoda
server transfer can take up to 24 hours
so faction swap is literally nothing compared to this
main vault
Oh you only swapped factions?
still pagoda
yes
main vault
that should be instant
burnt iron
Been tanking a couple 15-17 keys today and i still feel like i take so much fucking damage, obviously i'm very poorly optimised and only have a TD2/Expedient1 corruption due to the warrior only being a couple of days old but i have alot of tanking experience from other classes, is it just a thing that warriors take a beating until they are really good geared or is it just a player issue that i'll get better at as i play more?
I'm 467 equipped ilvl atm
still pagoda
any logs available?
since in 467 with decent amount of haste you shouldn't be beaten up by anything
burnt iron
nah was just random keys with pugs but i've been looking at my uptime on shield block and it seems to be about 70% on overall dungeon which i know i definitely need to improve on
i have about 38% haste unbuffed atm
main vault
Thats probably as high as you can get it
around there
The point is to fill in those gaps with LS
burnt iron
i have stupidly low vers so i guess thats a huge issue atm, only 4.28%
since my gear is just all whatever i've managed to pick up whilst gearing so far
sweet summit
No its not
main vault
Stats dont matter
still pagoda
ilvl and amount of stats matter
sweet summit
Its not a gear issue unless yoyre running around with a ilvl 400 shield
still pagoda
not the exact %
burnt iron
nah shield is 455 atm
still pagoda
Its not a gear issue unless yoyre running around with a ilvl 400 shield
And even then you can tank 15's comfortably
i know, i'm in a luxury of 475, but i tanked 15's with 400 shield
messy, but still good to go
mortal brook
Zero vers is just fine until the one shot threshold under perfect play. Talkin like 25s, higher
still pagoda
^
burnt iron
this was a 16 waycrest with kinda undergeared people, overall was 90k on top guy then 60k 56k and me on 51k
burnt iron
its waycrest so was pulling kinda big on all the worm packs etc
sweet summit
Start logging if you feel like youre taking too much damage. Thats the only way we can really know whats going on
still pagoda
^
burnt iron
hmm alright, i'll do a couple and try logging so i can also check them afterwards
my healer said i wasn't taking too much but i died a couple of times due to just running out of cooldowns, like the double witch + captain pack was a shitshow
sweet summit
Also keep on mind waycrest has ome very scary mobs
And teeming does not help that
You might have just pulled the wrong packs
Yeah exactly
Guards/captains/witches fuck
burnt iron
yeah probably, i'm new to all this so just randomly making the route on MDT before going, should probably look into a couple of the packs and make sure i know what mobs are where
burnt iron
do they release different routes for every single affix week? i'll check it out
proven stream
Something as simple as making a conscious effort to stop shadow cleaves from the guards will make those packs feel a lot better
main vault
Yes they do
sweet summit
You can also constantly backpeddle and the cleave will not hit you
still pagoda
WUT? Or is this normal for faction swap to just make copy of a toon and slowly process it?
sweet summit
But dps gamers might suicide
still pagoda
^
burnt iron
ah so kinda like the crawg ability just keep backpeddling when its cast?
still pagoda
Backpeddling is life
main vault
They mirror your toon then delete the old one
sweet summit
Yeah kinda
main vault
though Ive never seen it done on the same server lol
still pagoda
heh
dunno, i just changed password(didn't change it since 2014) while this is processing
It processed
still pagoda
heh
main vault
When they ping sometimes it sends pending things through, instead of waiting for the automatic process to roll throguh
still pagoda
usual errors in the pipeline
first part done. Needed to log onto the toon to end faction swap process
steel spire
TD or Vers in 22ish keys?
midnight snow
I still wear TD
still pagoda
TD
mental anchor
Vers is lyfe
chilly brook
Also purges in WCM are YUUUUGE
slender finch
Td,kr
chilly brook
WCM just more so than others, several of the mobs if allowed to continue getting stacks just truck you
slender finch
So many uses
chilly brook
And depending on what tank you play some mobs could become unkillable if it gets stacks
Big matron chick in courtyard for blood DK is a bad thing to get stacks on
Then again last I did it on a DK I wasn't super geared
still pagoda
^
cold oxide
BEST GAMING HEADSET for smaller heads and lightweight preferably. I have small ears too
chilly brook
I got all the tanks brother
chilly brook
@cold oxide none because headsets are garbage value
still pagoda
dunno, will probably have to relink everything after server transfer goes through
sick sentinel
Honestly you’re better off getting a really nice pair of headphones
And using a desk mic
Would you guys say it is productive to try for a higher IO in a specific dungeon over and over until i get time, and then add +1 lvl repeat this process?
Any keys you can complete higher than what you have
cold oxide
@chilly brook well mine broke so i need a new one loll
sick sentinel
Don’t shoot for +1 higher only
chilly brook
Like Hawgz said get some nice headphones and a modmic or a desk mic
sick sentinel
If you can get in do a +2 or 3 higher
sick sentinel
still lots of pulls that scare me since i'm re-learning with awakened
That’s fair but the best way to get better is to pull more difficult stuff and you will learn to play better
chilly brook
sick sentinel
Doing what is comfortable rarely makes you better at pulling. Learning to tank is all about trial and error and being told you suck
i use those crappy blue logitech headphones, but then i never actually use them
I used a shitty Logitech headset for years
like, it's shit tier but for pelbians its good
When I was a laptop gamer
i think zenheiser makes quality mics/headsets
Yeti makes nice and relatively affordable mics if you’re looking for a desk mic
Headphones just buy whatever is comfortable
time to go try shrine 13/14 i guess :S
also, my monstrosity ui
stiff oracle
pumper
sick sentinel
Ez key-z
still pagoda
lower key pugs are basically worst people to go to TD with
this week especially
teeming is just gross with pugs
sick sentinel
I have a 20 siege rn :^)
sick sentinel
i need another expansion and a whole lotta booze if i'mma get through any +20's on time
Once you learn routes it becomes easier to push
And my biggest thing that helped me improve while I was learning was that being quick and efficient makes a huge difference
I.e, minimizing downtime between pulls
Chain pulling, etc
sick sentinel
Should never annoy your healer
still pagoda
brittle owl
chainpulling is very chill on healer wdym
chilly brook
Depends on the healer
sick sentinel
As long as you stop when they go oom
brittle owl
it's what you should do with pugd anyway
chilly brook
If you have a bad healer then they'll hate it
brittle owl
instead of doing big brain pulls
still pagoda
chainpulling is very chill on healer wdym
@brittle owl
Lower key pug healers aren't comfortable with it
at all
)
brittle owl
i mean
still pagoda
and yea
sick sentinel
Like my paladin healer is 100% satisfied when we use 100% of his mana bar chain pulling and then he drinks
brittle owl
low pug healers also suck
chilly brook
@sick sentinel as long as whatever you're pulling won't get your healer in combat no need to stop 😛
brittle owl
chainpulling is very ez mode for everyone involved, healer included
brittle owl
just chain your cd's
still pagoda
been a great time to chain pull in 17's
brittle owl
stop after a few pulls to drink
sick sentinel
I just drop so he can start drinking and continue my dominance of the dungeon
sick sentinel
Cancel aura
brittle owl
you only need to drop after he goes below 10% mana anyway
sick sentinel
10%
brittle owl
below
brittle owl
troo
hollow brook
Is corruption leech worth?
mortal brook
If it's not stressful for the healer then how can the healer even feel alive
sick sentinel
Someone please answer gartoon before I do
brittle owl
don't be a smooth brain leech stacker
chilly brook
I still remember this dude getting mad because I would start pulling when he was drinking
still pagoda
oh. Btw, how long it will take to get my rio to show up again after faction swap and server transfer?
get TD
brittle owl
fill with expedient/vers/IT
still pagoda
More TD - more fun
brittle owl
but get TD
sick sentinel
Mine never did last time I did it but I’m sure there’s a way to link it
hollow brook
Aye sir!
still pagoda
and just better at everything
tame garden
i thought pala has infinite mana
hollow brook
brittle owl
you run out of mana eventually in pugs cuz theres always 1-3 dumb cunts that eat damage they can avoid
sick sentinel
If paladin has infinite mana pull MORE
still pagoda
^
still pagoda
yes
warm plinth
chilly brook
Then idk
still pagoda
server transfer is still in processing
but faction swap is done
gonna wait till tomorrow if so(since it will fully transfer by that time)
just a bit worried
sick sentinel
Speg I am a bear main in shadowlands
tame garden
are you really hawgz
chilly brook
Bear m+ is actually dope
tame garden
just look at #1 tank NA and you will see how underrated bear is
brittle owl
bear is second most underrated tank this expac
brittle owl
problem is
chilly brook
Especially dropping out of bear form to pump heals
brittle owl
it's an animal butt simulator
trail dome
as bear you just need to tell healer to heal you on pull
people super aren't used to that
tame garden
ye u just call bark on pull
trail dome
i play a fair amount with a bear on my main (hpal) and it's honestly fine once you get going
tame garden
and then u chill
trail dome
eh
i mean if your tank is warr and on pull they have avatar and sblock
I'd rather bark when avatar falls off 🤷♂️
tame garden
ye war you dont bark on pull
sick sentinel
Can if you’re making a juicy mongo pull and you have to fly through mobs like an f-15
sick sentinel
And with a bear tank best player in group gets a b Rez free key
chilly brook
And if you have brambles talented it basically doubles as a dps CD
tame garden
ye but no1 plays brambles in keys
chilly brook
As long as you have a good cadence of pulls not having bark up every one should be fine since you should have some extra rage
tame garden
at least in decent lvl keys
you kinda need a cd on pull every pull as bear
in high keys
sick sentinel
Until I get up there
tame garden
youre memeing if you seriously think thats what hes running in keys lol
thats what he logged out in
chilly brook
I mean the only thing that looks like it might change would be galactic guardian to incarn
strong forum
Not playing blood frenzy is inting
I played 1 key and instantly knew that
With BF you can upkeep 5+ stacks of IF in aoe without breaking a sweat. Easily the strongest talent by miles
Idk why people can even think that brambles does anything relevant tbh
tame garden
cuz brambles shows on dps meter
strong forum
Big 200 dps
tame garden
strong forum
That's like saying warri should stack 3x IF 
onyx vessel
sweet summit
strong forum
Actually no, it's like DC vs IF
onyx vessel
Stack bloodsport instead
undone sun
sand egret
@tame garden so i should run brambles?
tame garden
no you should run ripple in space rank 1 major with cannonball runner + void titanshard trinkets
its on raider.io!
sand egret
strong forum
CwH for m+
onyx vessel
So always
strong forum
Si
onyx vessel
Who cares about raiding dps
strong forum
Uuh.
onyx vessel
strong forum
I do, but I'm a dmg wh*re
still pagoda
Who cares about raiding dps
Uuh. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/20128764#boss=2327
Prot is just a DPS with threat
onyx vessel
Id die if i did that dps on maut as prot
still pagoda
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TGtjmA7D4JkpfdYC#fight=16&type=damage-done
Even older shit from 2 years ago
sweet summit
tank trinkets as a tank????
sick sentinel
Parsing in raid is dead to me
onyx vessel
Yes
still pagoda
same
stark sage
tank trinkets in the year of our lord 2020
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/IOUxhvO.png thats about the best i could muster
still pagoda
tank trinkets in the year of our lord 2020
[2]
onyx vessel
My cotank cried every raid night when i tanked cuz i ripped 24/7
strong forum
actually no
onyx vessel
Hes like use tank trinkets
still pagoda
strong forum
top 10 world baby
sweet summit
strong forum
hey that was my first tier raiding ever
sick sentinel
If another player tells you what to wear or what talents to play or what stats you should have kindly ask them to shove it
Unless you asked
strong forum
imagine being kind
sick sentinel
Oh i get toxic fast when people do that
sick sentinel
I typically tell them that they can tell me how to play my class when I can’t pick up theirs and be better
onyx vessel
Not my problem
sick sentinel
Even though I know I am a terrible dps
onyx vessel
So they doing 20k im doing 40k or w.e at the time it was ep
sick sentinel
I’m convinced that the reason I have stuck to tanking in BFA is the gearing philosophy
onyx vessel
20k differance clearly trinket related
sick sentinel
Not equipping big juice ilvl is a feelsbad
onyx vessel
Bad tank play simple
If you cant do enough dmg to outthreat the other tank press taunt
mortal brook
nice work @strong forum
onyx vessel
🤔
still pagoda
my warrior got transfered quickly
mortal brook
allstar ranks still there
mortal brook
hecking no 8 cuz no nozzy kill 
still pagoda
👀
mortal brook
ikr
still pagoda
absolute madman
sick sentinel
Wait did logs reset again did I miss something
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
yes
still pagoda
HEYA
onyx vessel
still pagoda
yes, i'm a pirate
mortal brook
@sick sentinel cuz of the MW nerf. they broke the busted haste build
still pagoda
just kinda lazy to activate it rn
sweet summit
??????
tame garden
imagine activating windows
sick sentinel
Lmao
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
onyx vessel
Gross
tame garden
i can ignore a watermark on my 2nd monitor just fine
onyx vessel
I paid for windows
still pagoda
1% crit is better
though Draenei passive is just garbage
78 str is not even funny
still pagoda
1600 Russian Rubles
onyx vessel
👀
still pagoda
which is basically $22,76
still pagoda
the only good thing in having Russian region in your Battle.net account is prices
sick sentinel
I did too speg windows support fixed it in like 0.2 seconds
still pagoda
paying only $8/month for sub is somewhat good
onyx vessel
tame garden
ive accepted it
my 2nd monitor is perma twitch anyways and it fits perfectly in the chat box lol
onyx vessel
Twitch hmmmmm
tame garden
whats wrong with twitch
still pagoda
^
tame garden
andybrew while i wait for NA streamers to wake up
onyx vessel
👍
strong forum
how dare you take enjoyment out of something else than me
sweet summit
who are you
onyx vessel
strong forum
was referring to the "twitch hmmmm" statement
onyx vessel
I mean watch whoever
onyx vessel
Server transfers
still pagoda
and meanwhile brick or time my +17KR
still pagoda
it's easy not to die on my warrior
onyx vessel
Dont die hmmmmm
still pagoda
unlike on monk where i had to kite in +14KR today
bitter jewel
hi guys for prot can i get 3x BoM from azerite vendor?
strong forum
yes
onyx vessel
Yes
onyx vessel
Easily hmmm
still pagoda
including notorious Kraken shell and Ashvane
tame garden
teeming kr
onyx vessel
Fort Kr
bitter jewel
swapping to tank on prot for m+ whats the best place for those resources? wowhead?
and 
bitter jewel
great thanks guys 🙂
bitter jewel
xD
stiff oracle
💩
calm magnet
Have you guys experienced wherein swirlies dont appear in motherlode, the peacekeepers cast a smoke bomb where it disorients you
calm magnet
I’ll try that out. Thanks man!
still pagoda
^
worthy linden
which do i choose from 460 vita, 475 dragonscale and 475 rezan for m+?
strong forum
460 vita + 475 scale
sweet summit
vita rezan
mortal brook
simmable. vita and whatever
strong forum
okay so you got all 3 possible answers
worthy linden
i'll sim
still pagoda
just one death on pack due to bleed ticking me down
healer leaves
RIP +17KR
gonna time +16
still pagoda
same
orchid frigate
whats up with all bleeds being so naughty to warriors? 😦
warm plinth
Maybe it's your friend
sand egret
i'd leave too if my tank was killing me @tame garden
tame garden
i wasnt in the keys blade
orchid frigate
haha
still pagoda
whats up with all bleeds being so naughty to warriors? 😦
@orchid frigate
Bleed ignore armor
tame garden
i took last night off
sand egret
likely story
orchid frigate
465 on my BDK now. think any HC will take me for cara/nozzie?
tame garden
yes
strong forum
yes
tame garden
tank privilege
chilly brook
I dont see why not
orchid frigate
last time i got invited to nzoth i got insta kicked after summoned
strong forum
people have cleared the raid in 450 gear day1
chilly brook
^
chilly brook
Although some people are stupid, like refusing to take a 458 dh tank
still pagoda
people have cleared the raid in 450 gear day1
@strong forum
And pugs still wipe in 470
orchid frigate
and i need legs!
strong forum
and thats why you dont pug
still pagoda
well
chilly brook
Pugging is aids
still pagoda
i'm waiting for armory update
chilly brook
But sometimes you gotta do it
hushed cobalt
I pug cara/nzoth on 3 tanks 🙃
still pagoda
to just update my rio(maybe returning myself my 2k) and warcraftlogs
hushed cobalt
Its just a waiting game of pain sometimes
orchid frigate
once i joined a normal raid when i was after vita and spent a seal before realizing it wasnt heroic 😦
warm plinth
Oof
still pagoda
orchid frigate
and here i am hunting vita on yet another toon
still pagoda
i just run 475 rezan and humming
orchid frigate
got 470 rezan from chest
still pagoda
chilly brook
Mmm that rezan
orchid frigate
rezan was a powerful loa
smoky wave
F
orchid frigate
why are warlocks always so rare in pugs?
warm plinth
Because warlocks in general are just not in a great place right now
Relative to other specs
orchid frigate
oh? even in raids?
warm plinth
Idk I have no real experience in raids this expansion so
orchid frigate
kk
left hatch
they're fine in raids
left hatch
in M+ they're just... not great
orchid frigate
great for cookies and some nifty gateway usage sometimes
left hatch
but they lack more useful utility
orchid frigate
mhm
warm plinth
Yeah they aren't suffering in the damage department
left hatch
and their damage is heavily fucked by movement nad has a lot of ramp up
warm plinth
But yeah if they have to move that's another story.
sick sentinel
Imagine not having a lock named wealthstones that Jones your group and gives cookies prior to keys
left hatch
i just use the proving grounds
orchid frigate
remember when everyone could get free healthstones?
left hatch
you still can
orchid frigate
oh?
warm plinth
You can't use proving grounds anymore. It takes the healthstone from you if you leave the area last I checked
left hatch
oh dang they changed that D:
warm plinth
Yeah
orchid frigate
was awesome
sick sentinel
Healthstones are a waste on me I use them all 0.32 seconds into a key
warm plinth
How does that mean they're wasted on you
sick sentinel
Wasted
warm plinth
If you used them, they weren't a waste
orchid frigate
hade a healer tp out once coz she thought she ressed
sick sentinel
Use them at 90% hp ghash
orchid frigate
but in fact hearthing
sick sentinel
I can’t help myself
sick sentinel
Yeah cause lord knows healer won’t
sick sentinel
LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCHHHHHHHH
tame garden
cuz the mods here are mean
warm plinth
Because the amount of global emojis directly correlates to the amount of people being stupid
orchid frigate
hahah
warm plinth
If you don't believe that, go look at off-topic
tame garden
same i have everything muted except #protection
warm plinth
Yep
This is the only class discord channel I don't have hidden away in a folder too
sick sentinel
Same
scenic crow
Hey guys!
How does lucid dreams work as prot?
It says it refunds the rage cost by 100% but it doesnt do that to me when i use ignore pain and other rage-required abillitys...
Help!
warm plinth
still pagoda
^
orchid frigate
i will ping you from then when you least expect it
sick sentinel
Rip trueshot lodge
hushed cobalt
Horrible place
orchid frigate
@still pagoda seen you active in brew-lounge!
warm plinth
@scenic crow It doesn't refund the rage cost by 100%. It increases your rage generation by 100% during the 12 second buff. Assuming you are referring to the major
The minor has a chance to refund 50% of the rage cost of any ability
Er, 15 second buff rather*
languid heath
Oh wow, I'm in a bit of a dilemma - just looted my weekly chest and got bracers with TD3, which is amazing ... but, do I now cleanse everything else? I'm at 113 corruption and could cleanse deadly momentum 3, masterful 1 and expedient 3. Do I have the right idea? #firstworldproblems
hushed cobalt
The refund is buffed by active, which is nifty
warm plinth
I would easily cleanse deadly momentum 3 and masterful 1
Without a 2nd thought
Also is your cloak not leveled? Or does DM3 just cost more corruption than I'm thinking it does?
languid heath
it's 75 and yes, my cloak is fairly low
hushed cobalt
35 corruption for dm3
languid heath
I've only returned a while back to wow so I haven't leveled all the essences and the cloak yet :_(
Awesome thanks!
warm plinth
So 75 from TD3, 10 from Masterful, 20 from Expedient, 105. resist is 80 if caught up so
Ah
Yeah cleanse whatever you need to cleanse. Keep expedient and TD3 if you can, or just TD3 if you can't
languid heath
Alright! I'm super stoked, I never had TD before, no matter which level
sick sentinel
Td slaps
warm plinth
Yeah it's pretty awesome. I just got my first TD the other day
TD2
Btw prot is stupid easy in visiosn
visions
Clearing 2 zones and boss at R3 cloak lul
languid heath
I always played Arms so far because I like the spec. Can I basically just pull everything?
wow nice
hushed cobalt
If you could, would you stay at TD3 and fill with expedient or go more TD?
warm plinth
More TD
orchid frigate
sweet! both vita and chest for my DK
still pagoda
First key on horde
warm plinth
But Expedient III is 5 less corruption than TD1 so there may be a time where you can fill in a gap with Expedient
limpid pawn
For those of you using lucid major
still pagoda
+17UR dropped
limpid pawn
In terms of timing, when do you pop it?
still pagoda
Lucid time 
limpid pawn
Like with avatar?
Or avatar, then lucid, then avatar?
Also I was doing some 20s with this 4.3K dude and he was constantly telling me about the meta shift and how his warrior has 30% verse
warm plinth
Is Lucid on GCD?
limpid pawn
For reference I have TD 5 instead
warm plinth
I've not used the major
limpid pawn
No clue
still pagoda
it is
limpid pawn
I’m trying to figure out how it’s being used
sick sentinel
WTB TD any rank
warm plinth
I mean, it's not a meta shift
still pagoda
Lucid is on GCD
limpid pawn
Is he just being stupid or what
warm plinth
He's stupid when he says it's a meta shift
limpid pawn
Like doing 20 keys, I feel like I don’t need a full verse
warm plinth
But it is a thing
At really really high keys
Guy saying vers build is a "meta shift" @ionic fern
ionic fern
😒
limpid pawn
Yeah we be doing 20 keys. Like 20 TD
sick sentinel
Sorry mwahi I’ll stop saying it
warm plinth
Yeah +20s do not require that
still pagoda
Mwahi
warm plinth
You'll know when it's required because you'll start dying with proper play on things that aren't Zul or Rixxa
still pagoda
ready to do big pulls
sick sentinel
Underrot is cheese on teeming
ionic fern
Nice Karton.