Teeming is just a dumb affix tbh
#protection
chilly brook
warm plinth
Depends on the dungeon though too
chilly brook
Facts
warm plinth
Some dungeons have brutal trash packs with teeming
still pagoda
literally ShPriest complaining about aggro when i died from casts that weren't interrupted
warm plinth
What dungeon?
chilly brook
It just doesn't follow any logic this xpac
chilly brook
Some packs are fine others are literal traps
warm plinth
Worst part of ToS this week is ALL THE DERVISHES
still pagoda
teeming was actually fine back in Legion
amber siren
teeming dervish is literal poison
still pagoda
Worst part of ToS this week is ALL THE DERVISHES
@warm plinth
2 packs before dervishes
warm plinth
Eh
still pagoda
and even before those idiots caught every fucking cleave possible
still pagoda
and blinding sand
amber siren
oh the electric dudes?
chilly brook
@still pagoda I mean in Legion they didn't flood each dungeon with trash that HAD to be interrupted
warm plinth
We have 2 DHs so we can each handle a nimbus on our own
still pagoda
and teeming additions were more spread out
sick sentinel
shrine seems easy enough, but keep getting people die to random crap. then they start to run back and that alone wastes anywhere from 1-3 minutes
still pagoda
instead of just dunking them into one pack
chilly brook
Just be a vengeance DH and purge the buff ez
still pagoda
just play belf
warm plinth
So we each just handle a nimbus solo
sick sentinel
can't even get an 11 done on time in there this week :S
neat rapids
PLAY SHAMAN
still pagoda
purge every shit in the dungeon
neat rapids
purging
chilly brook
Just be a DH and you can purge with your class ability and have an aoe racial purge
warm plinth
Alternate kick/purge, rogue and hunter focus on snek boi
And hunter has a backup dispel if we need
chilly brook
Like no joke I think I've honestly been having the most fun on my DH
still pagoda
you're probably mistaking monk and DK
since BrM is actually one of the best tank specs rn
neat rapids
I was comparing havoc to WW
neat rapids
if brewmaster wasnt good people would just play without monk debuff lol
exotic spoke
Morning Prot qtpies
wooden egret
still pagoda
TD
exotic spoke
TD
flat sigil
Small question , for m+ is recommended that tanks should have below 20 active corruption (without that eye)?
exotic spoke
That’s up to you. I find the eye isn’t that bad and would recommenced 39 and below
still pagoda
Small question , for m+ is recommended that tanks should have below 20 active corruption (without that eye)?
@flat sigil
You can go up to 59
neat rapids
theres a reason blizzard gave us the purge
exotic spoke
The slow is honestly worse than the eye imo
flat sigil
I have now around 35 and would keep mind fly tentacle for awhile
still pagoda
prot warr is literally the tank to ignore corruption amount
problems start only with cascade
exotic spoke
Eh, depends on what you’re doing. I personally enjoy having the freedom to reflect spells that matter and not have to worry about thing from beyond
exotic spoke
Again, I like having those for things that matter 🙂
still pagoda
eye is not a problem unless it procs 2 times in a row
flat sigil
@still pagoda did not knew that, tks
still pagoda
prot isn't like BrM and doesn't have much TFB's spawning
pliant geyser
dont the things not hit all that hard if you use mitigation too
flat sigil
TD1 TA2 RP3 atm on me
arctic thistle
So i have a question, is it worth buying the Beo 475 shield for 600k for pushing keys. or is 465 shiled good enough for 20-22s?
exotic spoke
It’s personal opinion but I stick with 39 or less. Losing out on even a single reflect can be huge
I’d get the 475 shield. It’s a large improvement
arctic thistle
How large are we talking about?
exotic spoke
Like, if I remember correctly you go from ~38% mitigation from blocking to ~42% or so with a 475 shield. But I’d have to look at the formulas
Because rng is a bitch and it’s never a guarantee from trash and only drops from Il’gynoth
exotic spoke
That’s also true
pliant geyser
whats a token cost on there?
flat sigil
20euro = 170k gold
warm plinth
That's up to you
pliant geyser
thats more of a personal question
exotic spoke
That’s entirely up to you. But that 4% is doubled when you crit block
warm plinth
Idk what kind of income you normally have
pliant geyser
is it worth it to you
flat sigil
600k for me is way too much
pliant geyser
id say probably not
exotic spoke
I thought it was personally but I had a lot of gold
warm plinth
If 600k is a massive amount to you, then not likely. If you have 10 mil sitting around, then why not
exotic spoke
If it had the right corruption I would have paid 1M
neat rapids
a token on my server is 180k
exotic spoke
And basically what ghash said
neat rapids
if I had 10M around I would sell battlenet gifts lol
flat sigil
@neat rapids that is why we do not have 10M
exotic spoke
Lol so true
arctic thistle
Well 600k is alot for me, but at the same time, for 22 keys. i wanna take less dmg ofc. just wanna know if that 4% is a big diffrent overall on dmg taken in higer keys.
exotic spoke
Let me get the formula and we can get exact numbers
warm plinth
Well the more damage you take, the bigger that 4% is
grand drum
K value reduction between a 465 and 475 shield ->.393 to .413
neat rapids
give me a shield
tame garden
no
main vault
Conflict major?
amber siren
as a minor or a major?
amber siren
conflict major is super situational, and lucid is dependent on group makeup
most of the time you'll just be using VoP unless organised otherwise
jagged oar
so when would you use lucid dreams or conflict ? x)
amber siren
lucid if youre doing big pulls on a strict 2 minute rotation with your group cds, using around a mages combustion
conflict maj is good for UR to lock down the swarmers if you lack a >=30% slow
jagged oar
I saw naowh playin with conflict major on a siege
amber siren
can be good on siege too to lock down mobs for the spotters
but youre probably not doing a 26 and youre also probably not naowh
fallow sable
Avoidance corruption good for prot war?
amber siren
no
fallow sable
Thought so
chilly brook
@jagged oar conflict has its uses and Naowh I'm sure has a specific reason for using it but don't just blindly copy what he is using without at least trying to get an understanding of why
jagged oar
thats why i'm asking ^^ @chilly brook
delicate flame
I have 2x 12 % versa - which pair of leggs do I pick. 1: ilvl 465 170 hasteand 156 versa 2: ilvl 476 124 haste and 211 mastery?
hard forge
@delicate flame i would pick the haste/vers legs
delicate flame
Ye thats what im thinking, just not sure.
sweet summit
id take the highest ilvl ones
hard forge
but depends on how much vers you already have
limpid pawn
Man. Since day 1 I’ve been saying ineffable truth is INSANE on prot
delicate flame
2319 base
limpid pawn
And what do you see, high mythic keys with TD, versatile and ineffable truth
hard forge
ok so you have a good amount of vers. @delicate flame do you play TD's if so the ilvl one could be better
delicate flame
2 ineffable truth, 1 rank 2 TD, 2 12% versa, 1 rank 2 Surging Vitality.
so aiming for lots of versa while still having some TD
hard forge
the hard part about the choice is that legs are an ilvl piece where the ilvl does more but also with 24% extra vers the 156 vers is quite good, i would personally go for the haste/vers piece.
delicate flame
I lose 90 armor, 68 strength and 148 stam. I do however gain 28,44 more stats because of the 24% extra versa.
also the item gives more haste and versa
delicate flame
Im prolly gonna look like an idiot now - but I though simming was for DPS. At least thats what ive used it for.
modern brook
the super big secret is the difference between 28.44 verse and 90 armor, 68 str, and 148 stamina is so small on the scale of survivability that ur better off ignoring it for damage
amber siren
you can sim tank dps is what nome was getting at
delicate flame
ye I see that now ^^
still pagoda
Just seen 472 pala with 1.8k rio doing only 20-30k HPS maximum
modern brook
alternatively, take ilvl and join a pug m maut
sick sentinel
However, careful with the sim suggestions to improve DPS. most sims do not consider survivability.
modern brook
and get the pants there and be happy :^)
modern brook
Honestly ive heard too many people say this week is hard for me to be comfortable puging
still pagoda
i just want to gear up my monk
sick sentinel
If your healer has to do a ton more healing that that then y’all are prob taking too much damage
still pagoda
and pugs do shit
sick sentinel
Not really an excuse for not doing it, but still
I always say; "if your gonna PUG make sure you get them on voice channel before pulling the key"
sick sentinel
From my experience, people are less toxic and stupid when they are in voice.
still pagoda
i was pretty stable enough on HP(despite still having problems with gear and monk in general), but amount of uninterrupted spell casts and healer dying from venting heat on 2nd boss in WS and just being bad...
modern brook
I did a 17ws where the healer didnt dispel the tank in 3 pulls then got mad he left T-T
i never felt for a guy so hard
modern brook
i just see the tank bleeding out while sitting next to me behind the box /cry-ing
and i know hes not being dispelled
warm plinth
That sucks when the healer doesn't do the one mechanic they really have to worry about on that fight lol
modern brook
Its literally the only healer mechanic in the dungeon
sick sentinel
Excuse me sometimes they have to spread
modern brook
everything else is "avoid damage and heal"
warm plinth
There's a dispel on the bot pulls
sick sentinel
How are they supposed to heal AND spread
still pagoda
and when healer dies from venting heat
warm plinth
The Arcing Zap
still pagoda
inland bolt
@jagged oar Conflict Major provdes a HUGE amount of vers especially since its paired with aegis minor, against unblockable damage like bleeds or general magic damage its a good option (you'll see people like Naowh running conflict in alot of keys because theyre also running full vers% with vers sockets which boost the effectiveness of the essence) - very niche for high keys disclaimer before im flamed
Forgot to add, people also run it in underrot alot to to control swarmers and pull bigger packs without needing much healing
sick sentinel
All healers are handicapped don’t try to change my mind
They are dps brains with a more important role
modern brook
In my 4 years of playing wow i have met exactly 2 healers that can both heal and deal damage in a key
modern brook
"sorry i was looking at bars" -definitely not me dying to KR charge boss
sick sentinel
If it’s purple it doesn’t get invited to my group
still pagoda
also keying as BrM without TD's is a nightmare
sick sentinel
Wut
still pagoda
aggro gets pulled left and right
sick sentinel
I have never in my life had threat issues as brew
still pagoda
especially by DH's dropping all the bursts
modern brook
havocs that dont use blade dance to dodge mechanics give me 30 rage tbh
warm plinth
lol
tame garden
no1 likes havoc
warm plinth
Lies
sick sentinel
Because ghash dh is such a brain dead class that players will play up to a certain threshold and then brain off
tame garden
we invite you because you have op utility
modern brook
I add like 500 io to my mental minimum for DH
warm plinth
Waow
still pagoda
I have never in my life had threat issues as brew
@sick sentinel
It happens to me from time to time
modern brook
its a free spec and if ur sub 2.8k ur not even trying
warm plinth
I go hard every time
chilly brook
@inland bolt reeeeeee how dare you say such a thing insert flames here
still pagoda
any big bursts and aggro goes WHOOOSH
warm plinth
I'm almost 3k 😠
sick sentinel
Ghash we know you try your best
modern brook
❤️ i have full faith u'll hit 3k
warm plinth
Me too; I only need 10 points
still pagoda
i have only 2k
modern brook
I was pushing 2.5 on my rogue and then i realize i ha a golden opprotunity to be the best sub rogue on my server
sick sentinel
Also I don’t invite dh based solely off the principle that they think darkness is their button
That’s my button
modern brook
And i accidently started an arms war between me and this other guy
still pagoda
Wanna go higher but this weeks is even worse
warm plinth
The only mechanic I use darkness for myself is Drain Fluids on Mchimba
sick sentinel
Fair
warm plinth
And that's because my Darkness RNG is broken and actually works like 80% of the time instead of 20%
sick sentinel
This week isn’t bad @still pagoda
still pagoda
pugs literally don't do shit on it though]
sick sentinel
This week is the “how big is your dong to pull big and make up time” week
You can play the game for pugs at the 15-17 level
modern brook
YEAH i dont get ppl who are like "oh its teaming fortified thats scary"
warm plinth
Some pulls are scary but overall it's not that bad of a week
modern brook
NO FAM; thats 200k dps EVERY FUCKING PULL LETS GO!!!!!
bro i live for this week
just keep the 2head monkey hunters off me for quaking
still pagoda
already did 2 +14s, +13 and tried to do my +15 on my BrM but group fell apart due to DPS peeps and healer dying from every little scratch(2.5k rio rogue died to slime explosion while pillar was 1m away)
sick sentinel
But your job as a tank to know what pulls will be scary and either a) plan cds accordingly or b) don’t pull them
warm plinth
Yeah
warm plinth
I don't have any experience tanking on a monk this expansion so idk
I miss corner tanking from Legion
modern brook
ISnt it just Rop-> roll + hope u have a hunter to do aggro stuff for u?
sick sentinel
Monk is just group it all up and keg smash
still pagoda
maybe i'm doing a lot of things wrong, but last week i was able to easily tank +14's and +15's in 450 on this char
sick sentinel
Key is maximizing keg smash
obsidian girder
Shall I sim my m+ Dps with dungeon slice ?
modern brook
@obsidian girder for fort weeks do a patchwerk 1 target at 2-3 mins; and a 5-6 target 90s pull
sick sentinel
That would require Md being on their bars
still pagoda
hunters pretend to play normally but go full huntard mode after first pack
modern brook
you can be lazy w/ dungeon slice but its going to heavily favor st stuff
warm plinth
Their pet's damage (which is like 90% of their damage) doesn't count for MD
modern brook
just by virtue of how small the pulls ina dslice sim are
obsidian girder
@modern brook ty for your insight
modern brook
for tyr up the time on the patchwork fight
warm plinth
MD is useful for pulling snap packs to you and shit but it's not a reliable threat transfer (if it's a BM hunter)
sick sentinel
Long story short bring a rogue
warm plinth
Basically
Like that's why hunters can't do cannons in TD
Because MD doesn't redirect the cannon threat
modern brook
Do BM hunters get thorned for their pet damage in maut thorn phase?
warm plinth
Uh, idk but if it works like Lightning Shield in ToS, any button the hunter presses hits the hunter. Anything the pet does hits the pet
So like, Kill Command would hit the hunter
But just normal pet attacks would hit the pet
modern brook
got it
sick sentinel
I once nearly one shot myself on maut with a TD proc
modern brook
thanks #beastmastery :^)
modern brook
U nearly have enough td then
sick sentinel
Only reason I survived was cause I pop last stand for that precise reason
still pagoda
honestly, BrM is a really smooth playing spec, but i still can't really get around DPS and a bit around tanking large packs
sometimes i have to rely on healer too much unlike on my warrior
warm plinth
That's kind of the spec design though because unless you purify, you're not actually mitigating damage
strong forum
^
warm plinth
You're just smoothing it out
sick sentinel
In my experience brew is also kite city
still pagoda
it's only the second week of playing monk on 120
sweet summit
true
sweet summit
if you're not assa :^)
warm plinth
Yeah, you're not wrong
still pagoda
well, that's how MD works for BM'
warm plinth
But it works really well for snapping
trail dome
btw guys i got something in my chest today
warm plinth
So
trail dome
and i can't believe i forgot to share
warm plinth
What did you get
trail dome
You're gonna be so jealous, lemme just get to my bank.
I think the fact i banked it for safekeeping will let you know how rare and valuable it is
I didn't just want to keep it on my person
still pagoda
warm plinth
Is it a lingering sporepods?
sick sentinel
If it is sporepods you better delete that
warm plinth
Oof
sweet summit
👀
sick sentinel
Hnnnnnnnnnnnnnng
still pagoda
warm plinth
I got my first TD piece on my warrior from chest
sick sentinel
I would give lots for that ring
warm plinth
Anodized Deflectors with TD2 😂
trail dome
See for real, those are stats i'm interested in if i ever get to a level of content I need vers amp
like it's haste/vers
plan is to do erry key on a 20 this week for the io
and after that we'll see. 
sick sentinel
My plan is to get haste vers nzoth ring with a socket and vers%
I’ll let you know how it goes
Although I am disappointed by the 485 ring
I wish it was more stats
400 haste 600 vers on a ring when
any word if we can get TD from vendor at any point?
inland bolt
it looks like people are placing greater value in leech rings if you can grab one, even 10 ilvls less (e.g. the ring haste/vers from waycrest)
warm plinth
Well, you'll get TD on the vendor at some point
Just have to wait for it to come up in the rotation
mortal brook
within 2 1/2 weeks
jaunty aspen
hi what should i equip shield 470 crit vers strikethrough 1 or shield 475 vers mastery leech 3 but will need to be cleansed
mortal brook
475 cleansed
warm plinth
Always ilevel on shield
mortal brook
ilvl big on shield
jaunty aspen
ok any suggestions which corruption to buy budget 10
i have an ineffable truth 1 in invetory ready to use
warm plinth
How much TD do you have?
sick sentinel
none td currently, trying to work on it
warm plinth
Are you comfortable running with Grand Delusions @jaunty aspen ?
jaunty aspen
i need to build up the skill to deal with it first last time i tried i got heck from my heals
warm plinth
Remember you can use Storm Bolt, Shockwave, Intimidating Shout to hold it at bay and Spell Reflection negates it entirely
jaunty aspen
i know problem is i need to be aware of it
tell me what to do for now pls headroom i have atm iss 25 corruption will using ineffable Truth be any good for know=?
warm plinth
If it fills out the budget without pushing you over 39 then go for it
inland bolt
tbh people will be running 2 Rank 1 IT's you won't really see people running one
you have rank 1 vers% or haste%?
jaunty aspen
i have only one in reserve others i could buy today i have 5k echos to use
no dont have rank 1 vers or haste but i have rank 1 surging vitality equipped
inland bolt
what are you using to hit 25 corruption?
jaunty aspen
just changed my shield so now iam at 13 need to corrupt something now
using atm r3 td and rank 1 vitality
still pagoda
what are you using to hit 25 corruption?
@inland bolt
TD3 + Exp2
i'm sitting at 31 with 59 cloak res
tame garden
vers 16
exotic spoke
Mm Vers 16
exotic spoke
Hi Speg qtpie
cinder pasture
Leech time boys
still pagoda
cleanse time boys
cinder pasture
Obviously 😛
warm plinth
@sick sentinel Your people are here
warm plinth
I got GW on a pair of gloves on my hunter's 5 mask yesterday
First time I've seen it all season
They said the nerf got postponed to June 2nd though
So enjoy it while you can 😂
inland bolt
looking at some high keys the full vers% build is outdamaging TDrank 2 but doing less than TDrank 3
so go big on TD's or go home
(again this is with vers sockets)
tardy moth
typically just spec one deafening crash right?
inland bolt
yeah
simple rune
what essences are people running 20+ this week? thinking of running aegis
tame garden
lucid + conflict/aegis/sotw
simple rune
read my mind ma man
still pagoda
i'm gonna run lucid in +18's for fun and jiggles
astral brook
Has anyone tried full %haste?
still pagoda
well, my first keys using it are gonna be today
cursive hedge
ah ok
tame garden
simple rune
high nacelle
how much are they nerfing td=
warm plinth
They aren't nerfing TD?
sweet summit
they already have
warm plinth
Yeah TD was nerfed a long time ago
brazen jetty
I just can’t get proper dps out... I am sitting at 28k average dps throughout dungeons.... can anyone help me if I failed hardcore somewhere or what to change?
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/arthas/xarlith
sweet summit
link a log if you can
brazen jetty
Just a gear question
still pagoda
what keys are you doing?
brazen jetty
Breezing through +15
still pagoda
remove CnS
old flare
Should I run surging vitality or expedient 3 for +15
old flare
Have a ton of expedients because I’m an Arms main so I can fit it in the corruption budget. I also have TD 3 pants and TD 1 gloves. is the extra TD from the gloves worth it over expedient 3 gloves?
still pagoda
yes
red fern
Is trinket from N'zoth BIS?
still pagoda
TD4 + Exp3 would be a good setup
inland bolt
Does Urchin scale with vers?
strong forum
yes
inland bolt
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
strong forum
every numerical value on trinkets that isnt a stat proc scales with vers
same with corruptions and essences
inland bolt
do you think that trinket would scale well at all with the full vers% + sockets?
ive only seen one tank run it again because of the build but I'm not sure if it even compares to just running a nzoth trinket
strong forum
50% vers takes it to 7.5k hps unless it scales better
chrome palm
how the hell do you all hold aggro with a fire mage and DH full blasting?
strong forum
idk if thats so amazing
chrome palm
i just cannot keep it
strong forum
do more dmg idk
press your buttons, like i have 0 issues, you taunt the main target the mage is blasting
rest is just your rotation
sick sentinel
Dhs pull more threat than a mage now with proper rotation and build
It's an extreme struggle
chrome palm
yeah im having major issues
sick sentinel
They have to wait
nothing you can do about it
Half of dh problem is they just blow their load with no regard for humanity
sick sentinel
there is no way you hold threat from a dh who has everything
with fell barrage/ fang, blood and meta
not possible
Tell them to quit being nerds and wait until you get some threat before going dh on em
just have to deal with it and tell them to hold
stiff oracle
"there is no way you hold threat from a dh who has everything"
"tell them to hold"
theres your answer
sick sentinel
He already knows the answer lol
chrome palm
yeah it's pretty frustrating in a pug
they just call you "shit tank"
when they peel off you and die
strong forum
^
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
are you ok hawgs
inland bolt
press taunt 
strong forum
ignite needs time to ramp
sick sentinel
You'll only lose threat on one
Referring to dh btw
oh I was like what
we were talking about mages
strong forum
only pepega dhs blast their load instantly
strong forum
if they have the 600k+ dps build
sick sentinel
Because I can’t read fast ok
So I just bring the conversation back to my reading level
chrome palm
use pictures
sick sentinel
In a pug a dh blowing their load early falls under the “you pull it you tank it” philosophy and I afk
If you lose threat to a fire mage just be stronger
inland bolt
yo why is the nzoth trinket recommended over the urchin?
im probs just tired so im understanding the math wrong here
strong forum
cuz it provides an absorb when you need it for specific mechanics coupled with externals and other stuff
sick sentinel
Nzoth is on demand cdr
strong forum
urchin is passive HPS which doesnt help vs spirit breaker or scary stuff at all
inland bolt
yeah even at low vers the urchin is providing more HPS (smoothening) more damage in general, but i guess the on-demand is more worth
stiff oracle
tell that to resto druids going cen ward over prosperity
battle of the class discords
inland bolt
hmm whats the deal with vita, cause isn't it around 30% uptime
and it can proc at end of packs
wouldnt you just run wration trinket or even just urchin defensively?
sick sentinel
Large haste
strong forum
defensively scale is better
tame garden
sick sentinel
No such thing as end of packs if you chain pull the whole dungeon
cosmic coral
How do i import MDT strings? i know theres an import button but i can only name it and theres nowhere where i can put the string into
strong forum
you put the entire string in there
thats not the naming window
thats the string window
cosmic coral
yea, it doesnt let me
inland bolt
Click 1, Paste string in 2, then Click 3
strong forum
then you have the wrong string
cosmic coral
i recopied it like 5 times and now its working, nice xd
so for the blue pull on the left side, I pull the bridge guy with the 3 ? i assume all the other groups go away once skycap is dead right?
strong forum
after you kill the boss most of the unmarked mobs leave
then you can pull them, but its not a good pull
inland bolt
that is a gigascuffed season 2 pull
strong forum
me neither
cosmic coral
yea me neither which is why i was asking, seemed so weird
still pagoda
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May i drop this here?
my FH route for this week
totally standard
cosmic coral
I can pull the crusher here without pulling the deckhands right?
strong forum
yes
but it doesnt make a difference
just pull the smallies in for fun
if you miss like 5%
cosmic coral
i just made my own route, but if you could send it to me i will appreciate it, im not new to tanking but i am new to tanking this xpac so im not too familiar with routes since i just mongo dps or heal
ty!
inland bolt
just made the pulls smaller, no bs with triple seaspeakers in pugs and abit more logic to how the pulls are grouped
obviously if you're comfortable you'd be able to speed it up alot by doing Spider Obelisk with the last boss, it would require a kick order and a healer that's competent to heal missed kicks just incase
sick sentinel
i don't fully understand why you have to paste it in hit okay, and then import in mdt, not a big deal though.
inland bolt
im just grateful that someone spent the time to make the addon, I doubt i'd be bothered doing keys if I couldnt organise my info ingame like this
sick sentinel
Hey guys, does ignore pain shield take priority over psychic shell shield?
warm plinth
@sand egret You're the absorb tester; have you tested this yet?
main vault
Dont ping my Bear Regulars in here!
sick sentinel
Just curious. It feels absolutely absurd lol
prisma crane
relatively easy to test
have both up and get hit for less than their combined totals
whichever is leftover isnt priority
sick sentinel
is it that i want ineffable and vers corruptions with TD?
and crit if i don't have td?
prisma crane
if you're running keys where you want vers, you probably arent as interested in TD
sweet summit
@sick sentinel you want TD, and fill gaps with ineff/expedient/versatile
sick sentinel
running keys would be generous right now, trying to master shrine of suck
sick sentinel
td for keys?
prisma crane
what level of keys
sweet summit
TD for anything tbh
sick sentinel
between 10-15
prisma crane
TD
dont even worry about vers
it's not bad, but it's not your problem if you're failing
sweet summit
TD owns
still pagoda
what this fighting was about?
another idiot telling you to stack verse in lower keys?
cosmic coral
there a way you can like put "hero here" on mdt?
still pagoda
notes
prisma crane
sounds like people that say, hey, we're not doing well, let's copy what top teams, MDI teams and Method/Limit do
prisma crane
yea, because damage intake on 26-27 is BAD
still pagoda
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
prisma crane
damage intake on 10-15 isn't
still pagoda
Lower keys are not the highest
sick sentinel
damage intake can be an issue if the dps aren't up to snuff and mobs are allowed to use there abilities multiple times
prisma crane
no
that's just damage taken, it's doable
they stack vers because they can get literally one shot
while playing perfectly*
sick sentinel
Just tested. Looks like IP absorb takes priority over psychic shell. That's neat.
I wouldn't mind having that KR trinket with the huge absorb
sweet summit
its kinda very long cd
sick sentinel
short duration too
modern brook
If ur having damage intake issues on a 15 I highly suggest equipping a single 475 piece
sick sentinel
definitely saved my bacon few times
lusty grotto
@modern brook what you up to
modern brook
Rn I'm being sassy in discord while I charge my phone
modern brook
Oh sick I'll hop on
lusty grotto
ToS
cosmic coral
u can get past this crusher without pulling him and getting obelisk or no?
sweet summit
not without someone else pulling it away for you
cosmic coral
like a hunter running away and fein deathing/meld/vanish?
sweet summit
but then you might run into the issue of the hunter/rogue not being able to enter there, right away
cosmic coral
yea true
cosmic coral
is there anyway you can like review the last dungeon you did and see what mobs were pulled? cause i went over % even tho im pretty sure i did my route perfectly, ik i prolly went over 2% cuz i didnt take account for joining crew and killed an extra mob, but i was over % by like 5 besides that
warm plinth
Probably someone pulled something neutral that gives % that you weren't expecting
cosmic coral
darn, they should make an addon for that, itd be a cool review thing, i wish i knew how to code /cry
or good at it for that matter
warm plinth
Like the deckhand or w/e he is in the area after the bridge past 1st boss
sick sentinel
did you delete scrap it already yet?
cursed loot
i mean
technically you can do logs
cosmic coral
Do some mobs pull here if i do the RP event? ones that are unmarked
sweet summit
no
still pagoda
no
sick sentinel
and u just enable some setting type /log and upload it with the software
sweet summit
you have to enable advanced logging in your settings
still pagoda
steal BotE from your rogue bro, pull whole area and enjoy your 500k DPS
sick sentinel
yeah, but anyways, those logs, they are like exact o mundo what u are talking about dungeon run in a bottle
shows what attacks ppl use, where mobs move, when ppl die or get buffs
warm plinth
Is there a function of logs I'm not aware of that would actually help you know what you pulled though?
Like I don't see how that would help you determine that
sweet summit
not that im aware of
warm plinth
M+ logs are barely supported as it is, relative to raid logs
sweet summit
can you even use the replay function in m+ so see where you walked?
warm plinth
Don't think so
main vault
yes but no
still pagoda
main vault
It just shows a grey screen and the 5 toons moving
sweet summit
main vault
iirc
sweet summit
oh
main vault
It shows what you are attacking as you hit them, but not the map
sick sentinel
is obelisk affected by fort?
warm plinth
The lieutenant isn't. The adds might be? They're affected by other affixes but not sure about fort; my guess would be no though
sweet summit
their HP does change from tyrann to fort in MDT, dont remember exactly what increases it tho
sick sentinel
lieutenant is one of the 4 guys correct?
sweet summit
ye
warm plinth
Yeah
Their adds are affected by affixes, but the lieutenants themselves shouldn't be
But I don't know if adds are affected by fortified or not since I never really checked. Never felt like they were 🤷
sweet summit
nah i feel like the small adds just the the +4 and +7 affix
still pagoda
is obelisk affected by fort?
@sick sentinel
Adds are affected by all affixes
cosmic coral
Can i pull the monkey with arrow without pulling 3 inside?
this is siege courtyard btw
sweet summit
i dont know tbh
still pagoda
Just skip this shit and get more trahs early on
sweet summit
is that a teeming mob?
cosmic coral
does it matter? i mean time used early on is the same as time used later on no? as long as % is good? Im new to tanking
yea this is a teeming specific route
still pagoda
You may want to use skips more efficiently
sweet summit
ye i get that, but is that mob only active while teeming is?
cosmic coral
no
still pagoda
And hozen packs and crushers are more annoying
cosmic coral
true, banana storm or w/e is annoying
still pagoda
Bombers can be outdpsed at least
sweet summit
my memory is failing me, im sorry but i cant remember
reef hornet
What add on is that you guys use to mark mobs
sweet summit
Opie
cosmic coral
MDT , Method Dungeon Tools
reef hornet
Thank you!
cosmic coral
Should i pull one of these groups or no?
still pagoda
Aight, gonna link my SoB route tomorrow once i'll log in before initiating server transfer ofy warrior
Blue one is chill
cosmic coral
what about the group left of blue? i dont think ive ever seen that group there honestly
still pagoda
Red pack can be terrible if people in your group like to pull trash with their butts
Since they will pull whole area
cosmic coral
yea i dont like pulling red gorup either cuz they throw that fire shit and people usually run everywhere and pull 10x more mobs cuz of it
cosmic coral
Anyone know if this group is chiill to pull? the one under
still pagoda
Ok?
This one definitely
It's the bottom one
Just drop down instead of trying to cross the water
And pick it up
cosmic coral
can u drop an @ for all of your routes 🙂 maybe ❤️ , Im making all my routes right now and running through em in low keys to get a feel, so a baseline would be nice instead of manually doing them all, ik icyveins route is outdated
still pagoda
Horde starts right at that pack by default btw
still pagoda
It isn't really
Still a pretty chill dungeon with possibilities of big pulls like right at the start
simple rune
it's horrible when pugs chain the blood swarmers
cosmic coral
if i change dungeon difficulty all mobs hsould be the same besides the teeming ones right? so i can go through siege right now and look at my route from inside the dungeon
still pagoda
Teeming ones don't change except for G2, G27 and G29 in AD iicr
cosmic coral
for siege, and also is there a way to change the health of the mobs inside MDT to see how much health they'll have a certain key lvl?
cosmic coral
ah shit im blind, ty i didnt see that
olive bay
I've seen quite a few crit > vers comments recently, is that actually the case? Or is that for specific situations?
sweet summit
crit is better than vers unless you really need the small consistent DR from vers, defensively
parry is yuge in m+
cosmic coral
are these mobs reachable with a 40 yd spell? like a hunter aa or mage frostbolt
cosmic coral
so anything 40 yds then?
olive bay
True.. Ok that's great to know, thanks. With haste being the prio right? Reckon a 450 gorecrusted is better than a 445 humming or rezans?
sand egret
@warm plinth my shell is on my bear so sadly i haven't done any IP testing with it
olive bay
@sweet summit are you asking why gore cant be better than both?
sweet summit
nah i ment both haste trinkets
warm plinth
Gotcha Blade
olive bay
That's what I'm wearing Ros, was just checking if anyone thought the 5ilvl big crit might be better.
sweet summit
TD
olive bay
haha. yeah..
actually had a lower geared dps complain and quit the key because he "didnt get to do anything"
fivehead
sweet summit
warm plinth
Tell him to get more TD
gusty bear
I was finally doing better on haste. Up to 210% on procs 😂
chilly brook
Not that I know of
Potentially the ability could deal less damage because of DS but also end up dealing more because of BV
But never had the opportunity to look through it
Either way it doesn't matter enough
sick sentinel
warm plinth
Sick
trail dome
fk now i wish i'd bought a bunch of expedient / versatile
kind shore
Grats on the TD
cursive hedge
Are Mchimba's Ritual Bandages any good?
mortal brook
not really necessary for most content
within its class, raid absorb trinket is much better comparatively
but other trinkets like stat sticks will outperform it even defensively in most cases, cuz secondaries are stronk
jovial rampart
Too bad anger management doesnt apply to trinket cooldowns!
jovial rampart
Pardon if this was asked before.. What about vers proc vs. Constant vers? I feel like its half vers all the time against double vers half the time.
main vault
Both can be good, constant probably better, a mix is ok too
You need like 6675 base Vers for vers% to equal to proc
Idk war specific, but for Bear we want 1 proc with 2-3 %
Then TD
jovial rampart
LOL, thats all? Just 6675?
main vault
Yup that’s it lol
6675 * .12 = 801
Again, don’t know War specific cause it’s just an alt, but neither are great by themselves
But together they are solid
jovial rampart
Is there a number to shoot for on vers? Percentagewise? I read that vers scales down for offensive, but up for defensive. Offensively speaking is there a point where vers drops off hard? Defensively it is always good? Is that right?
jovial rampart
Thanks!
sharp night
hard cap is at 99% for defense, no cap for offense*
main vault
yeah sorry, 198%
sharp night
but the hard cap is almost 17k vers so that's not really achievable realistically
sick sentinel
i'm pretty sure the trinket i got just now is good, but what should it be paired with from dungeons?
burnt iron
What are the best trinkets to use in m+? Atm i use vita and humming but im a super new prot warrior learning everything as i go, i've seen nerftank uses the nzoth one alot in his high keys is that worth using in 15-18 keys or should i just stick with vita/humming
jovial rampart
I use the wrathion haste trinket because its uptime is ridiculous, and the alchemy trinket for the vers and that potion boost has saved me more times than i can count.. I am only at 18ish but I haven't experienced a scenario where a straight defensive trinket would sound appealing
burnt iron
Makes sense, guess ill stick to vita humming then and see how it goes, i'm only 468 atm and really not well optimised so hopefully over the next couple days ill optimise my gear a bit more
jovial rampart
Well haste is king.. Haste=rage=reduced cooldowns on everything good when spent as fast as possibme.
Possible
main vault
Nerf uses LPS cause he does 26-27s
sick sentinel
these are the other trinkets i got
ah, the raid one isn't any good any more, was op in 8.2 though
mortal brook
fang block solid
tame garden
chain of suffering
sick sentinel
i used that and the aoe EP trinket together all the time in m+ 8.2
fang is good? could have sworn i heard in past terrible
warm plinth
Fang has always been good but you have to use it properly. E.g. Stunning the mobs prior to using it so you don't get insta-gibbed
Since you can't block/dodge/parry during the channel
sick sentinel
yeah, same with warstomp, even though only 0.5s cast
so much less likely you get hit during that, but still very possible
engineer bombs too, but they are irrelivant
warm plinth
I'd use the two you're already using
main vault
Noxxic
lament gulch
main vault
You’ll know when you need it, which is probably never tbh
It CAN be useful in a very high specific key for specific situation
sick sentinel
https://raider.io/news/90-the-weekly-route-fortified-teeming-quaking-and-awakened#shrine-of-the-storm is this the correct route for shrine? i tried it a bunch of times started going for water ele instead of the bridge patrol
seemed like what was happening was people would die to between windspeaker and non-elite council trash, and it killed potential for forward momentum
main vault
I ran that route earlier in a pug and two cheated
sick sentinel
is it better to do the ele or the bridge pull?
either one can be really nasty
I mean if you can communicate how to solo the ele to your team it's free. Otherwise as long as you're pulling left bridge and not right bridge pack that's also free
it said to pull those alone, but i had issue finding the spot to pull from, and optional ele +2 pack is enough to get 100% at end
cosmic coral
is it safe to do an exact 100% for m+?
i dont wanna be like .01% off if i follow a route i made that gives exactly 100%
warm plinth
Depends on the dungeon; like KR for example the numbers aren't exactly correct
In MDT
For teeming that is
cosmic coral
siege?
shadow wind
depends on how good you are at tagging gutters
cosmic coral
dont need the gutters that u need to tag off the main path for my route
well atleast i hope not, about to go into a 12 to see if i can do it with the perfect 100% without actually being off like .01%
shadow wind
then just roll with what you have in mind
mental anchor
Any advice on living through dissolve on mythic shad? I’m getting chunked unusually hard by dissolve, crush and melee attacks just tickle me but dissolve requires a healer cd and an internal cd too. Any advice on maybe essence choices? Or anything really
pliant geyser
whats the name of that map addon youre using @sick sentinel? or does anyone else know, its in a picture a few messages above
ripe helm
@mental anchor memory of lucid dreams major, maut and nzoth trinkets
left hatch
Method Dungeon Tools
lusty grotto
is anyone from NA having problems with instances right now?
pliant geyser
thanks again morrison
mental anchor
@ripe helm ty I’m running mythic maut I’ll run heroic nzoth trinket too and see if it lets me live lol
ripe helm
nzoth trinket a lot better imo, if you are gonna use one use the nzoth one
lusty grotto
oh nvm it just fixed itself
ripe helm
shield wall also good to use for the double dissolve
mental anchor
Yeah I need to make sure I still have it may need to recover lol
cosmic coral
my route worked yay
how do i know if its good tho, cuz i went into a pug and their dps were kinda poopoo
it was a 12, and we coulda 2 chested it but i feel like that shoulda been an easy 3 chest, i was top dps
ripe helm
run it a few more times
still pagoda
@cosmic coral
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String if needed
stiff oracle
onyx vessel
sick sentinel
Can we take that to dms lmao
vocal skiff
So a bit of a dumb question, but do you ever have issues with taunting a specific target when you are tanking multiple mobs depending on camera angle etc? Like, sometimes it's difficult to have precision with the mount to target it
If so, is there any way to remedy or mitigate it?
cosmic coral
just tab kek
vocal skiff
What if you need to taunt right away and tab won't collaborate with you
cosmic coral
ive never had that issue personally so i couldnt say, i always get my click or tab
reef hornet
So with the Method Dungeon Tools addon, can you important other peoples routes
mortal brook
totes
reef hornet
Awesome! Where can I find some for like this week
hallow phoenix
Anyone know how to view, for example, damage taken from BOTH entropic crashes (drestagath and her tentacles as the sources) in warcraft logs, on the same page in the same chart
ionic fern
@hallow phoenix what do you mean? it already shows it on the same page?
First Entropic Crash = Drest, the 2nd one = Tentacle
hallow phoenix
I'd like to see a taken by friendly page
but with only those two sources of damage (tentacle entropic crash and drestagath entropic crash)
So something like this but filtered for just those two abilities combined
cosmic coral
how do u guys deal with TD in tol dagor?
amber siren
don't face towards walls
still pagoda
don't face towards walls, pull tricky packs(like officer and marksman at the entrance to barracks before 3rd obelisk) away from walls and potential wall/butt pulls
cosmic coral
what if u have to like move your character and td procs, cuz thats happened to me when i heal TD
icy harness
kek
icy harness
hi speg
tame garden
@icy harness 
cosmic coral
yea i tried that the first time i went into tol dagor with a TD and i died like 10 times
icy harness
with time you learn where its crucial to not face the walls
you definitely dont want to pull the firestarters + officer
from the inside OR outside
everything else is pretty chill
still pagoda
i back peddle a lot in TD
winged coyote
Hay, is there any art of Versatility cap or a pointless amount of % for Prod warri?, for example i have 26%Haste and 13% versa... should i go with haste or versa coruption ? (Focus Myth+)
cosmic coral
how hard is this pull in a 20 UR or higher for that matter
tame garden
Lol
2 bloodswarmers is always risky. Add in limited room to kite and 3 maggots to also dodge/cc
Would not recommend
cosmic coral
yea those bloodswarmers can really fuck u up so thats why i was unsure, i guess ill just keep it out of my route
can i pull those lashers to the right of that group without picking up that group?
tame garden
Yes those lashers pat
cosmic coral
darn i really wanted to not do any obelisks with last boss, but i guess its gonna be neccesary higher keys since mbos wont die as fast
cosmic coral
i didnt like doing it when i healed a 21 UR , so much poopoo on the ground
tame garden
Tank just needs to do big moves after each puke to give extra room for blob puddles
still pagoda
well
you have a choice of bricking the key while doing both last obelisks, OR having a chance to brick it if your tank/DPS are dumb while doing blob
taking spellcaster to last boss is way riskier
cosmic coral
just bring 3 ele shammys ez
still pagoda
inting
tame garden
It despawns
amber siren
as long as youre taking the boss slowly around the room, it'll despawn before you get back to it
cosmic coral
ah okay, just wanted to know so when i do blob with last boss i can move enough to get away without fucking up the whole room
amber siren
the blob should (hopefully) be dead before his slime and the bosses puke start to deny your pathing
hallow phoenix
blob is my favorite lieutenant to kill with last boss
still pagoda
because it does nothing
amber siren
the obelisks will only spawn adds if you fight them in their realm, on the last boss it's just them
hearty portal
aight haven't done a M+ where you fight them with the boss yet
still pagoda
you can do the AD gamble with tankbuster on last boss
burnt iron
We tried that pull in an 18 underrot yday and lets just say it didnt go well
still pagoda
burnt iron
Theres far too many mobs and things to focus on, no room to even move with bloodswarmers
burnt iron
Its super annoying to skip the pack if you dont have a rogue though so what we did was pulled big at the start then lust and use obelisk to obelisk near crawg then took that obelisk back to 1st boss
still pagoda
usually i just pull around the right side of Crag and go to 3rd boss first
ionic fern
👀
You should clear the full room before lust is up again + most enemies down to the next boss if the affixes allow for decent sized pulls.
still pagoda
well... Dunno, maybe will try
since lust usually caters towards being up right after 3rd boss and all of Crag trash is dead for me
maybe it's just pugs slacking on dps
ionic fern
Interesting route.
You know that you can tag the guys i marked in yellow as well to pull together with Skeletons je?
ionic fern
If you are using the route you linked then you might atleast want to change that..pull some of the flying dudes instead of the 2 separate worms at the end.
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fervent ice
Looking at bloodmallet's testing setup, they don't have any Bastion of Mights on their Azerite.
After looking at my average Avatar uptime(50-70%), I'm wondering if Masterful is significantly underrated as it isn't being simmed accurately by bloodmallet, and its synergy with Ineffable Truth is missed out on too.
Any thoughts? I haven't run any sims but also haven't read any theorycraft about it.
still pagoda
Well, this lines up perfectly
ionic fern
@fervent ice Bloodmallet is taking the "default" gear which is put together with ST in mind.
You should sim your character on raidbots.com with your own gear for best results in regards to DPS.
trail dome
If you mean from a survivability PoV it's probably mostly overkill. People take vers afaik because in addition to helping with phys it helps live through magic damage.
ionic fern
On top of that with things like Twilight Devastation being available Masterful has no way of keeping up. 👀
trail dome
Like during avatar with sblock up you're already insanely resilient to phys attacks.
fervent ice
@ionic fern will do.
I'm mostly interested in reaching ~100% crit block chance during Avatar and I think I could get there with only one or two Masterfuls and then start the Vers stacking.
I have T Dev 3 and 4 more of it in my bags, so, looking at stat corruptions to save for.
ionic fern
Why are you looking at such things tho? What content are you doing?
fervent ice
+19-21
ionic fern
Stacking vers/mastery is in general not the "best way".
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That's not high enough to warrant losing out on things like TD.
The damage intake is not that big.
still pagoda
last time i remember doing mastery stacking was in Antorus 👀