I mean I would cleanse the shield
#protection
warm plinth
Leech isn't worth running Grand Delusions
chilly brook
But for future reference, up to 59 corruption isn't a big deal
sick sentinel
Ok. Thanks for the input fellas
trail dome
Honestly there're a bunch of dungeons in BFA I just don't enjoy
TD, WCM, KR, Siege are all poop, imo.
chilly brook
The only way it becomes a problem is just a weak healer or high damage intake already from stuff you cant mitigate well. Also on necrotic weeks.
I like WCM thematically
But it's also become a LOT better with awakening
trail dome
I think the idea is cool.
trail dome
I think the camera is fucking awful in there, that's the main reason I hate it.
modern brook
Siege is only bad cause they decide to put like Bursting -> bolstering -> bursting -> sanguine ->bolstering -> bursting as the weekly rotations
so you just never have a good key for it
We do most of WCM in the courtyard
so the camera isnt a huge deal
sick sentinel
Last question. I have a heroic dragon scale, a 455 rezan, and a 465 block. Should I swap in the block for rezan?
modern brook
nah
scale + block is fine
u get more stats out of block than rezan, even if rez is haste
chilly brook
But if you get a 465 rezan...
modern brook
^
chilly brook
Giga haste boiiiiiii
warm plinth
You're a giga haste boi
undone veldt
Hi all, I ran into a problem last night in a 17 JUNK where i couldn't get necrotic to drop and eventually became unhealable. How are you guys handling necrotic stacks? (not that it matters anymore)
modern brook
Rezan + M Vita is my omega set up
chilly brook
Scale + rezan 
maiden ravine
Do I try for a prot weapon or shield or keep hunting for a dps trinket
chilly brook
@warm plinth thanks, you're a giga qt
modern brook
@maiden ravine from the box?
warm plinth
Junkyard can be annoying to drop stacks, especially on Gobbamak and when fighting the troopers
sick sentinel
chilly brook
Prot until you get a shield
modern brook
^
maiden ravine
I just know I'll get a freaking plating this week
warm plinth
Rumble is your best bet for dropping stacks on Gobbamak. Pull him to one side of the area when it's about to go off, run away while he's channeling, then if you still need a couple seconds, leap
modern brook
U can drop on gobbamak during rumble or whatever the rock fall thing is called
chilly brook
Always try and get the single most important piece
undone veldt
Crap i forgot to mention the boss. It was Gunker that we can into a roadblock. in 7 tries i randomly dropped stacks once but i didn't do anything special to make it happen.
warm plinth
Gunker as in the big slime guy?
modern brook
u can also ROP or BOP in that time relatively safely w/ a cancelmacro
still pagoda
Fuck RU ally
undone veldt
Yea big slime dude
warm plinth
Interesting
still pagoda
never ever again i will spend 4 years raiding on what should not exist
modern brook
If you're becoming unhealable on gunker
warm plinth
Usually you can drop fairly easily on him since he casts a lot
still pagoda
^
Usually you can drop fairly easily on him since he casts a lot
Smh i don't get over 10 stacks on bosses
ever
warm plinth
On gobbamak you don't? 🤔
modern brook
Karton understands when its time to 
undone veldt
ohh so you guys use ravager to drop stacks?
undone veldt
ohh
modern brook
shouldnt meme actual questions, my bad
undone veldt
Sorry i don't hang out much in here and generally try to stick to the search feature.
modern brook
On trash pulls, you just kite to drop them
undone veldt
yeah that's not a problem. the boss Gunker i just couldn't get stacks to reliably drop
modern brook
on bosses, you really shouldnt be getting to the like 30+ stakcs w/o mini adds like on gob
still pagoda
@warm plinth Gobbamak, 1st boss of SoB if DPS are slacking on everything
and that's all the bosses that get me onto big stacks
and ye
bye to ally side i shall say
modern brook
but gunker a) casts a lot and b) is a bathtub fight that you cant out range without wiping and
still pagoda
^
modern brook
you're relying on your base crit/parry chance
and if ur SUPEr unlucky that you manage to get to 25 stacks on gunker
your DPS are fucking slacking
and if you're unhealable before that, your healer is fuckin slacking
<assuming you're not walking into mechanics>
undone veldt
got it. Just wanted to make sure i wasn't missing something that people were doin to drop stacks.
I was dying at 17 stacks (@ 30% boss health). thanks a bunch for the help. really appreciate it.
maiden ravine
My warrior has gotten belts 5 times from the cache. Maybe this week will be different
maiden ravine
I've been dps the entire time on warrior, no weapons at all on her
modern brook
My warrior's still rocking a 405 weapon :^)
maiden ravine
I have 460 mh and a 465 shield
maiden ravine
Dps spec is 465 mh and a 460 geti
trail dome
I'm new to warrior and have been playing VoP cause of that but I want to start practicing Lucid.
What should I be looking to fit inside a Lucid window?
still pagoda
EVERYTHING
modern brook
the point of lucid is to get 40s of avatar
its literally VoP that you control
so you're just dumping rage like crazy in it
to get a 2nd avatar
ornate magnet
sad predicament boys. do i use new chest piece and go 480x3 but only 1 bom OR 480x2/465 chest with 2 bom? i run lots of m+ 19 and up 😭 😭
sweet summit
yeah ^
modern brook
hopefully ur not pushed into like CR or BS too
trail dome
@sweet summit that's actually not an awful idea
ornate magnet
yeah DC helm
sweet summit
its the most helpful tip i can give
trail dome
I have IP on F though, it's pretty easy to press fast
modern brook
especially in lucid
still pagoda
insight from yesterday's discussion on Lucid
trail dome
Should I be going Lucid > Avatar
sweet summit
yeah
trail dome
sure ok
sweet summit
just normal opener but pre-lucid
trail dome
so roughly Lucid > Avatar & Intervene > Clap > Shout > Clap > Slam > Clap > go
and mash my IP key
sweet summit
pmuch
modern brook
I think its avatar -> clap->shout->clap->lucid, isnt it?
trail dome
and if i do it right i should back to back my avatar's
modern brook
<-- has a 405 weapon and doesnt bother with lucid
Lucid > Avatar & Intervene > Clap > Shout > Clap cause thats a rage cap even with IPs
trail dome
is there a way for details to show me if i wasted rage?
sweet summit
warcraft logs
modern brook
Logs definitely
trail dome
bleh, i don't wanna use wcl on training dummies.
modern brook
Details might have a line graph
trail dome
I'm lazy.
modern brook
where if u ever get a flat line its wasted rage
IDR tbh but details is pretty in-depth
im sure theres something
trail dome
sweet summit
im rarely overcapping with Lucid > Avatar & Intervene > Clap > Shout > Clap
modern brook
I cant add, sorry
trail dome
This might sound kinda troll but is it worth to last stand
modern brook
im thinking intervene is 30 rage default
alpine stag
imagine an ineffable truth and masterful build, where u r always in avatar and get insane mastery from BoM with Lucid Major and Vision minor to make sure u get those Avatars. Obv wont be viable and is very RNG
trail dome
cause it's gonna be back anyway right?
modern brook
@alpine stag ur describing bad VDH
trail dome
I think 🤔
alpine stag
perhaps 😛
trail dome
lemme see I wanna see what 2 back to back avatars takes off my LS CD
sweet summit
yes, but you also dont wanna ignore shield block charges
alpine stag
ye as i said, its a stretch
trail dome
yeah keep 1 rolling, right?
still pagoda
modern brook
a p o w e r f u l e n e m y
sweet summit
@trail dome you most likely have enough haste to get 3 SB's before running out of SB charges. that is where you fill the gap with LS
trail dome
@sweet summit yeah that's what i do normally
still pagoda
a p i l e o f p o w e r f u l e n e m i e s
trail dome
but i'm wondering if it's worth yoloing out LS during Lucid because it's going to get such a reduced CD
trail dome
that I'd be able to go LS > SB > SB > SB > LS
sweet summit
idk, i just use LS when im out of SB charges. sounds interesting tho, defo a dps increase with TD
trail dome
yeah i'm not good enough at this yet to do it consistently
modern brook
I'd argue its probably worth while if only for the extra health
since you're doing this in an omega pull
Plus Extra TD damage etc
trail dome
well it's bonus TD damage and it lets you hold SB charges for more uptime
like if you can go LS > SB> SB >SB > LS > SB > SB > SB
that's obviously better than
SB> SB >SB > LS > SB > SB > SB
strong forum
Doesn't change after the first rotation
If you start with LS or SB, after 2 rotations you're at the same outcome
trail dome
but it's better for the first rotation,right?
strong forum
Only if you have enough haste that you get LS back after 3 SBs
trail dome
right, which is what i'm asking if we can do
trail dome
🙁
trail dome
well it's lucid i'm talking about
modern brook
Yeah this is specifically in a lucid
sweet summit
yea this is with lucid
trail dome
it's not even close outside lucid
strong forum
Fishing for TD procs with LS I only do during Lust / junkyard in the burn phase on last boss
ionic fern
@strong forum TD updates dynamically. So you can LS AFTER you see that TD procced and it'll update it's damage accordingly.
strong forum
Ye that I know
stiff oracle
still pagoda
warm plinth
Depends on if it hits the mob before you press LS or not
strong forum
Unless you have ultra reflexes
warm plinth
Just do the pro strat where you move the boss with TD so it hits it a second time
misty cliff
Hey everyone! Ive been looking for some good videos that go in depth explaining when to use IP and when to use sheild block but everything ive found is fairly basic. I think I remember one video talking about how you are trying to build a large IP while going in between packs. I've read the wowhead/IV guides. Just trying to see if there are some better videos/guides.
warm plinth
Ignore Pain is a rage dump
sick sentinel
That is it
trail dome
Okay looks like it's doable
sweet summit
i with my haste, i can reliably get LS up again after 3x SB with lucid
trail dome
same
misty cliff
Okay I understand. Still, are there any good videos out there going in depth on rotation and playstyle? Most of the guides spend more time on essences and azerite rather than the playstyle/rotation.
Which is what im struggling with.
sweet summit
keep SB up
trail dome
@sweet summit think that that's worth doing? It should be, right?
warm plinth
We don't really have a rotation is the problem
misty cliff
Well, I personally want to understand more of what im doing.
warm plinth
That's probably why there's not a good video about it
You have a priority list of abilities you need to hit, and defensive spells you need to press
sick sentinel
Our “rotation” is to press our buttons when we can
sweet summit
can you ask more specific questions? can go on all day with broad questions
misty cliff
You arent forced to respond to me.
sweet summit
but i want to
misty cliff
I appreciate it, but I wasnt trying to be broad. But you came across kinda like an ass. Apologies.
I thought I was being fairly specific.
Just looking for something more in depth.
strong forum
There's no real indepth to it
sweet summit
sorry :(
strong forum
That's the thing
misty cliff
Okay, thanks.
strong forum
It's pretty on the nose, keep SB up in blockable dmg scenarios, pump rage into IP.
I can post my copy pasta 101 if you want
misty cliff
A lot of me asking this is im trying to find a main in shadowlands and im looking for something complex and rewarding. Something I can continue to learn about and become very good at. So maybe thats why im asking. But maybe this isnt the class for me.
Sure @strong forum
strong forum
You can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste.
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again.
So it's "SB->SB->SB->LS->SB->SB"
(For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg)
You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD.
priority is SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg.
Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.(unless you know better)
Don't empty your Rage Bar before needing to use SB.
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.
If you can't keep up SB or LS, fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external.
%uptime on Shield block is relatively useless to look at, what matters is effective uptime.
misty cliff
I've trying out tanking on warrior to see if its a fit for me.
modern brook
Or ask for an external. low key super important coordinating cd's with your healer is the differnce on high tyr keys
the number of bubbles i get during my SW is mind numbing :^((
modern brook
its like a battle rez but worse
strong forum
Truuu
limpid pawn
is raider io companion app bugging out for you guys too?
stuck kite
Hi! Can you tell me if 2 ineffable truth 1 is good for prot warrior?
sinful sail
Hey there! Wondering what the stat priority is now, I haven't played my prot in a few weeks and I see everyone is running vers now ?
maiden ravine
Someone asked my rdru to use treants
limpid pawn
2 ineffable truth is alright on warrior
sweet summit
@sinful sail ilvl>haste>crit for m+
limpid pawn
but going rank 5 twilight devastation is BEST for nearly all content you plan on doing
sinful sail
@sweet summit are the top guys running so much verse simply for the fact they are pushing such high keys?
sweet summit
yeah. pretty much
sinful sail
Ahh ok, thanks
limpid pawn
people here are saying that the top guy stuff doesn't apply unless you are doing 23+ keys
sweet summit
i highly doubt you need giga vers for +23 keys
sinful sail
So for 18's/19's stick to the usual. Sounds good, thanks!
inland bolt
@strong forum how much haste do you need for 3 SB's in a row roughly?
sweet summit
its uhh ~23% before IttF iirc
inland bolt
tbh isnt the vers% build just a safe option? the logic that you dont need to be that defensive in a lower key, "just play better" can also be flipped and also used as a crutch for a newer player to survive in lower keys?
(before anyone starts flaming, I play TD in main keys)
versed widget
Hey bro’s, 39 or 59 corruption?
inland bolt
because end of the day, lower keys don't really need the damage just the consistency and a tank not dieing is a big part of it
still pagoda
Hey bro’s, 39 or 59 corruption?
Doesn't really matter
as long as you can easily SR or stun every TFB
versed widget
Is grand delusion cucked or not cucked
Yeah I’ve been trying; sometimes get bad rng triple spawn tho
strong forum
Sure playing vers in low keys is a nice bandaid for playing incorrectly
But... Yeah
inland bolt
even in higher keys when youre going to be playing for hours, youre bound to make mistakes and ripping a key is going to cost you an hour to reroll and push it back up too
strong forum
No safety net like other tanks
inland bolt
but vers% does provide that safety net, especially in lower keys when attendants arent going to be controlled in pugs or seablast going off
they will survive with vers%
strong forum
I'm not saying it's illegal
Just not recommended
And in low keys you don't die to 2 blasts
still pagoda
vers% is nowhere a safety net
trail dome
dude fuck raging water blast
still pagoda
if you don't play perfectly, you will get punished anyway
sick sentinel
First of all
strong forum
Also dying to stuff helps you get better
sick sentinel
Heck water blast without raging
still pagoda
fuck raging water blast people who don't use interrupts in 17+ keys
strong forum
So you wonder why you died, then try to find a solution, and the first one for smart players will be "play better" / interrupt
rigid sinew
any raging zuls in chat
strong forum
soothe
strong forum
Yike
trail dome
:
versed widget
Just skystep and heroic leap 4head
rigid sinew
apparently my healer moved the keybind when we were doing arenas for echoes
chilly brook
Just play DH against Zul and ignore his damage ez
trail dome
but if you pull a bunch of mobs in that area there's kind of al ot of kicks
a lot of *
i've started just running and losing them
🤷♂️
reflect, kick, stun, shockwave, fear, leap away 👌
inland bolt
just lucid major and 👏
versed widget
Did alt key earlier and nearly died to zul cos hunter pulled and healer was watching cinematic : )))) +7 things
still pagoda
chilly brook
For real though stacking vers won't make a huge difference if you're not already playing properly @inland bolt
versed widget
Honestly thought he dc’d. I refuse to be surprised by shit people do in sub 15 keys now
inland bolt
@chilly brook in keys like ML or TD i think its worth but for higher keys obv
strong forum
But, its literally putting on a break on your wheelchair
chilly brook
Well let me rephrase
rigid sinew
chad r14 surging vitality build
trail dome
haste doesn't give you any mitigation unless you play it right
chilly brook
Stacking vers without going way out of your way to do so won't make a huge difference if you're not playing properly
chilly brook
Obviously if you buy every single vers corruption and grab every single vers piece you can and have 60% vers for a 30% dr it will make a difference
strong forum
Ya idk, a person committing so hard to vers that is simultaneously bad at the game
Kinda rare
I would like to think
Maybe not
Tough question, but if you're a person that does 10-15s, 470+ ilvl and youre hardstacking vers... Idk
inland bolt
we're gonna try with my healer running the chinese rdruid build
strong forum
Kind of a weird spot
inland bolt
theyre pushing more than hpal damage with that build
sick sentinel
Would it make a difference if I bought the surging vitality from corruption vender?
strong forum
The Chinese strike again
sick sentinel
currently sitting at 19% base but with my stacking 12% vera corruption
i can go up to 38ish
versed widget
Where can I find more about this Chinese rdruid build
strong forum
Surging vitality gets better the more vers% you have
versed widget
Seems like a weird google input
strong forum
Cuz ykno, math
hoary root
is urchin still the best defensive trinket?
inland bolt
@sick sentinel just stick with the TD
strong forum
Not recommended no
tame garden
@inland bolt whats chinese rdruid build
sick sentinel
I do a lot of high keys, like 19 20s
strong forum
That's not high, sorry to disappoint
sick sentinel
so idk if the survivability would be better
tame garden
pog
sick sentinel
ik
inland bolt
and its 25+ keys so hes pumping
sick sentinel
My haste is like 49%
strong forum
In general
chilly brook
I should buy some vers on my monk though tbh
inland bolt
high haste is good on prot, you'll get big dam too
tame garden
p sure my rdruid plans to go expedient/gushing
strong forum
I might buy 1-2 vers% today for pvp memes
inland bolt
yeah thats what most eu rdruids are running
odd wigeon
i have 31.90% haste. is that too much? lol
strong forum
Not even close
odd wigeon
good
strong forum
I'm at 39%
odd wigeon
because i want more
strong forum
Without expedient
strong forum
With proper corruptions I'll be at 50% haste
odd wigeon
i mean my into the fray will boost that obviously
chilly brook
Mindflay is actually insane tbh
strong forum
Yes without ITF
inland bolt
his tank is a blood dk though, but he's roughly healing the same as most rdruids on a prot
strong forum
Bdk in 25+ 👀
warm plinth
I think expedient on Rdruid is like
The balanced side of corruption for them?
Like it increases damage and healing
vs just one or the other
sick sentinel
Im at 49% haste still doesnt feel like enough
mortal brook
growl makes the same points. he wants a certain amount of haste and mastery, then go for dmg
sick sentinel
not enough thunderclapping 😔
inland bolt
@sick sentinel if you run double IT, you can spam thunderclap in avatar
for more damage, but its a meme though
sick sentinel
Lmao
still pagoda
this won't give anywhere as much damage as TD
deft zenith
Meme? Or part of the dream team
still pagoda
and IT1 is used for defensive purpose usually
hoary root
hello do anyone still using urchin?
odd wigeon
whats IT?
sick sentinel
insufferable truth
mortal brook
urchin has def dropped off
odd wigeon
is that a corruption or something?
strong forum
Yes
mortal brook
but if you got like, a 455, it can still be okay
odd wigeon
i have basically no corruption on mine
flint tiger
my gear isn't very optimized, but lets say we have a choice between either 2x deafening crash, or having 1 be deafening crash and one brace for impact. which would you guys go with, if you're really only tanking M+?
strong forum
I got socketed 450 from EP, does like 5k hps. Not amazing
1bfi 1dc taeho
The block value of bfi is great and good ST dmg
sick sentinel
How does Crit increase damage?
flint tiger
mmk, thanks!
strong forum
It doubles your dmg
inland bolt
thoughts on the dodge trinket that the tomoboar (bear tank) is running, is it worth it?
odd wigeon
i can get up to like 80% haste while im doing damage
sick sentinel
friend is asking, sort o curious too
strong forum
That's what crit does
brisk ferry
475 Block today 😮
sick sentinel
how does it help more than versa?
strong forum
It's not alot of dodge Shaw, and we don't generate rage from dodging
sick sentinel
my friend is asking sorry
strong forum
Crit is just more dmg than vers, period
inland bolt
oh do bears generate rage from dodging? i don't know how that spec works at all
strong forum
No they don't, but they have baseline dodge when we get parry
inland bolt
ic
strong forum
Like they get dodge from agility
sick sentinel
do u mind if i see ur chraacter?
strong forum
We get parry from crit
strong forum
So he double downs on dodge
Mine is literally my name
EU though
Crit is simply more dmg for us. If 30% of your dmg does double dmg(crit) . It's more than doing 30% more overall ( vers)
Well I phrased that poorly
You have like 12% baseline crit or smth but 0% vers.
Tell him he's an idiot then that doesn't understand the game.
stark sage
all you need for 15s is basic gear and half a brain
flint tiger
did prot warriors run CNS major just because it was necrotic last week?
strong forum
Crit is a way bigger dps gain than vers could ever be
And in 15s you certainly don't need any vers
It's also double vers gain from cns if you run it as major @taeho
So instead of 420 its 840
still pagoda
^
strong forum
Ontop of the root that's kinda nice here and there yes
still pagoda
crit is also a good stat for parry chance
flint tiger
so do we typically run CNS major for M+ then, instead of vision? I saw the pinned note for why they sometimes do lucid major instead of visions, but curious why we want to go CNS over visions?
strong forum
Not in low keys
Aka 20 and below
Cns over visions is in specific high key dungeons
flint tiger
so 20/below keep visions major, higher go CNS for the vers, more so than the root?
strong forum
No it's mobs with mechanics that the root can stop
rigid sinew
tol dagor is moist for cns major
strong forum
Ye TD thanks
For the beach pull and for cannons the root is amazing
I pulled entire beach this week
Without ever getting touched or any necrotic stacks
rigid sinew
only true champs take 17 stacks of croc bite cause forgot to slot cns major
rigid sinew
flint tiger
hmm ok, good to know
otherwise, for dungeons w/o needing a root rock the visions major?
and obviously low keys
versed widget
Is vision highest dps major
strong forum
If you play around sotw with fang trinket and giga pulls, it can be more dps
However vop is solid in all content
red fern
strong forum
Good dps and survival
red fern
Wich one?
red fern
but no hase and vers
rigid sinew
still pagoda
amount of stats on weapons is so abysmal you won't even notice it
still pagoda
my first +15 was just a good zerg
rigid sinew
nome u think null minor is playable in like temple and waycrest
still pagoda
was in 460 back then iicr
still pagoda
and it was pretty comfortable
red fern
Ok, then I'll go with the Fusion Hacker. Thx! 🙂
flint tiger
wait, what's the fang trinket?
misty steeple
still pagoda
Merekta's Fang
flint tiger
that's actually a good trinket? shit i scrapped it, what's the trick with the SotW major?
strong forum
The trinket from ToS, doesn't allow you to block during its channel
Sotw major increases dmg taken by 50% for 6 seconds
still pagoda
Draught-tier basically
strong forum
As a debuff
flint tiger
oh, so run that trinket with SotW major, pull a shitload, hit major, hit trinket, roflstomp trash?
strong forum
And fang gets stronger the more haste you have. So you spray the targets after having shockwaved em, then apply sotw
And it'll do great dmg
TD also benefits of said 50%
But you really need to play around it
misty steeple
does it make sense to lose 4% block, 5k hp to use this gushing wound shield. I only have TD 2, EXP III, and surging vitality II atm. I only play this character to tank 8-12 keys for my friends really. I figure this week my group will need more dps
flint tiger
hmm, it's a 435 fang that I had, worth restoring then?
still pagoda
will i be able to do my conquest cap today or not?
misty steeple
got it ill keep my 470
strong forum
Unless you're an expert of your class and it's your only TD3
misty steeple
Not a expert warrior at all
strong forum
Ye then it's not worth it at all, especially after the 35% GW nerf :)
Which is from today onwards on NA, and for EU starting tomorrow
misty steeple
i have a 450 fang but im missing what u guys were talking about, and 450 block/rezan eye
no real "tank" trinket
misty steeple
pop trinket, then strength of warden for juicy dmg?
rigid sinew
shell is great
strong forum
Only if you wanna meme
rigid sinew
pop it and go afk for 6 sec
strong forum
Block/rezan is perfectly fine
misty steeple
ah
strong forum
Rezan/vita/dragonscale/block are the 4 recommended trinkets
LPS is only for high keys
And even then not needed
You can defo not go 6sec afk after using it 
Maybe like 2 globals tops
misty steeple
😆
rigid sinew
xd
too used to farming low keys for echoes, should start actually giving real advice
warm plinth
I tried to have a +20 mentality in a +15 JY the other day; it didn't go well
My war is undergeared
rigid sinew
got a 465 fang for dh and now he thinks hes god
strong forum
Yikes
warm plinth
Any 445 shields in chat?
strong forum
Just wait for SL
warm plinth
strong forum
He won't think he's god anymore
hoary root
so can i ask, is urchin still useful?
rigid sinew
still pagoda
to just avatar entering anything
hoary root
oh ok thanks!
burnt night
Hi guys. Im trying to get into 20's and im having trouble deciding which build of mine would be best. Anybody have a minute to check it out?
ionic fern
Just post them here.. 🙂
flint birch
has anyone heard of an ability called "devastate"?
warm plinth
🤔
warm plinth
Why do I feel this is a trick
strong forum
ya me too
flint birch
i feel like it's a trick every time I swap to prot and notice it in the spellbook
strong forum
ye iknow
they mustve changed the adds before him
that you can no longer skip them
flint birch
but really do you even bind it? I mean of course you bind it, but how shitty of a keybind do you give it?
trail dome
TC is 4, Devastate is E, Revenge is shift Q, SS is Q.
strong forum
kek
flint birch
flint birch
Q is bis for SS, bloodthirst, mortal strike
trail dome
this spec has very few binds honestly
i had nothing on V or B
engi belt is on B now
sick sentinel
lps?
sick sentinel
z for zoom
flint birch
i made macros with the old stance icons and bound them to z, x, c. they don't do anything but it feels wrong without them
still pagoda
dunno, but this works fine for me
chilly brook
My devastate is on 1
trail dome
ok well we have avatar on the same keybind
stiff oracle
Bit too green for my liking
chilly brook
Because I'm a schmuck
trail dome
and i think that that's it
still pagoda
i always have my bursts on 1 and 2
strong forum
avatar is Shift+F
chilly brook
Avatar is x
sick sentinel
Ayyyyy avatar shift f crew
flint birch
F and modifiers are my interrupts. V is for the bufferinos
trail dome
strong forum
Press F to Ignore Pain
still pagoda
my prot keybinds are kind of a mess but
They're fine
sick sentinel
F to ignore pain here too
sick sentinel
Shift D is SW
still pagoda
and F is literally HEROIC LEAP button
sick sentinel
D for DEFENSE
still pagoda
and been such for years
chilly brook
Demoralizing Shout is on F for me
mortal brook
wait my prot doesnt even have IP keybound D:
flint birch
heroic leap default, mouse over, or spammable highlight thingy?
sick sentinel
Steve is that a default ui I spy
flint birch
that's the real choice right there
still pagoda
@cursor
mortal brook
yes
trail dome
i don't have it @cursor
mortal brook
default ui doesnt break
chilly brook
You hate to see it you mean
warm plinth
@sick sentinel @strong forum Shift+F Avatar crew boisssss
sick sentinel
Correct
trail dome
@cursor spooks me, i jump into dumb places a lot
sick sentinel
When wow mobile comes out my ui will be the same
flint birch
default ui absolutely breaks. it just doesn't give you lua errors when it does
gaunt ocean
Carapace shoulders vs Skitra shoulders for ST?
strong forum
whatever is higher ilvl
chilly brook
Default UI just breaks your eyes
still pagoda
More Shift-keybinds to the God of Shift-keybinds!
gaunt ocean
I mean Carapace is but skitra has RF
strong forum
RF isnt played anymore
gaunt ocean
Sad
chilly brook
Because all the info4 is everywhere but where it should be
flint birch
also in the interest of maybe saving someone else who is picky, does anyone else hate the built in spell "proc"/flashes on everything? The one that doesn't have a cvar or toggle to turn off? I figured out how to kill it
sick sentinel
Only info I need to see is enemy health bar
maiden ravine
I'm a pleb, q is strafe for me still
gaunt ocean
True
sick sentinel
Q and e strafe crew
strong forum
i strafe with holding rightclick
flint birch
if you walk backwards, strafe, or ever change your character's camera angle you arent a real pvper
just unbind everything
sick sentinel
You lost me at pvp
maiden ravine
I am lucky to hit 1800, so, truth
sick sentinel
I just run in there with big hp and hope I one shot someone with TD
flint birch
im making fun of people who unbind backpedal. Hawgz that is noble
sick sentinel
I will always have backpedal bound
strong forum
strafing is all you do in pvp
warm plinth
I have strafe on A & D but it's more for comfort than anything else. I don't bind anything to Q or E because I don't want to fat finger them XD
strong forum
what do you mean
mortal brook
backpeddal is good for TD, tbh
chilly brook
My shift+f is bound to opie
sick sentinel
I don’t use it
chilly brook
Backpedal has its uses especially in raid
sick sentinel
But I’m also not going to bind s
chilly brook
When you just want a small adjustment for boss
flint birch
backpedal is necessary for RP, weird mount animations, and so on
chilly brook
Mob pathing still feels off from when they changed it in WoD
sick sentinel
Lmao that is a play I respect
flint birch
game physics and navmesh has been fucky since cata
sick sentinel
The Chad prot warrior down arrowing to move a boss
flint birch
also give warriors double jump you cowards
still pagoda
Bit too green for my liking
@stiff oracle
This is just Bartender4 anchor
all my panels are hidden
stiff oracle
I know 😄
still pagoda
^^
still pagoda
SDFX guy here ^
strong forum
youre officially scuffed
chilly brook
Everyone is scuffed
chilly brook
Especially the guy I talked to the other day who was playing prot warrior as a clicker
trail dome
backpedal*
still pagoda
chilly brook
Literally no binds
chilly brook
I asked him why he was running lucid in raid
And he said because he struggles with rage generation
trail dome
i wonder if the clicker meta is decided by spec APM
strong forum
obv if hes only 30apm
trail dome
like if sin rogue is bis
strong forum
playing an 72apm spec
trail dome
because it's really low apm
chilly brook
Then it all became clear when he said he was a clicker
chilly brook
It's very demoralizing
trail dome
is prot really highest apm spec?
strong forum
yup
sick sentinel
Might be a dumb question, but how does TD stacking work
strong forum
dmg adds
trail dome
Damage increases procrate doesn't
strong forum
thats it
trail dome
Is that just cause of IP being off gcd?
sick sentinel
If I have one 18% and one 6%, does it become a 24% single proc TD
trail dome
yes
sick sentinel
or does each piece have its own proc
trail dome
no
strong forum
high haste, IP off GCD, SB off GCD, Charge off GCD, SW off GCD, LS off GCD
all while pressing your offensive rotation
still pagoda
^
trail dome
That's fair
trail dome
I played hpal in wod and it feels really similar to that
which at the time was also high haste with lots of off gcd shit
still pagoda
talking of easy specs
warm plinth
Multi shot isn't even on there, wtf
chilly brook
I also ran into a prot warrior last night that couldn't survive the second eye beam in heroic Illy g
still pagoda
chilly brook
Yo if he spammed revenge on CD he would have actually held aggro and done more than 10k
@grand drum as in hunter or BrM monk?
grand drum
bm hunte
grand drum
i said "the spec is 2 buttons so easy"
chilly brook
Get bow and proper traits and just press everything on CD
grand drum
and he said something along the lines of "pressing 3 buttons on warrior isn't hard either"
still pagoda
prot doesn't forgive mistakes
chilly brook
Although actual no meme, everyone I see that complains about it being too easy also cant seem to perform on the spec
strong forum
but the whole discussion "buT mY spEC iS sO mucH HarDeR ThAn yoUrS" is always a thing
maiden ravine
Psh, if people want hard feral and survival are there.
strong forum
its just E-peen playing the harder spec
strong forum
no spec is hard
maiden ravine
Depends on the build
trail dome
stm was kinda hard in legion
maiden ravine
Survival is fun, but it juggles a lot of plates
strong forum
survival is a mess, but pumps quite well
but its not BM so why play survival
thats the only reason why its not played in pve
chilly brook
Survival is too clunky tbh
Has the trappings (ha get it?) of a good spec but it needs serious refinement
It also just doesn't feel like it's own thing
shell vapor
Hi guys what shoulders do you use skitra or carapace? mainly for pushing keys
shell vapor
the difference is with carapace you have to pick bom + clap and skitra you have bom + heart of darkness
and you get 1 clap from the n'zoth helm already so the question is heart worth more than the 10ilvl ?
cosmic coral
if you have the mythic pieces i would say yes
sick sentinel
Skitra shoulders sim more than nzoth
And probably do better defensively
Err
Than carapace*
cosmic coral
so since everyone wants TD so badly, i just got a wep with td 1 , that will bring me to TD 5, but i lose an expedient, do i wanna equip it ?
mortal ore
the weekly route doesnt seem to be working on raider.io, is there any other site where i can get a good route?
sick sentinel
Watching streams
Those routes on io arent really usually the most efficient routes
cosmic coral
I kinda wanna stick with the expedient, cuz it gives me like 5% more haste when i have 5 stacks of into the fray
cosmic coral
Well, i guess ill try TD 5 until i feel like i might need more haste
chilly brook
And tbh just because something sims better doesn't mean it's better defensively, especially if you have 2 other options that provide BoM and HoD
shell vapor
yea but im opting more for the offense since your not doing big pulls anyways
mortal ore
does anyone have a junkyard route to share maybe?
sick sentinel
Thats no true @chilly brook
chilly brook
I mean I guess the BiS list is wrong on IV then
sick sentinel
Workshop shoulders, skitra and i believe ms is better
Because thats theory crafted highest ilvl but those shoulders i listed are better
Lol
Mathematically
cosmic coral
Im newish to tanking, any place i can find like a cookiecutter route through all the dungeons with/without teeming?
sick sentinel
Cookie cutter route go to raider io weekly routes tbh
sick sentinel
And then customize as you get more comfortable
cosmic coral
ye, i just need like a baseline to get used to tanking b4 i start making my own, much love thanks guys ❤️
lime wing
Is it still worth to use null barrier minor on raids?
sick sentinel
Yes
sweet summit
ye
strong forum
yes
sweet summit
big dam
chilly brook
Anyways regardless of what you choose to use, you should be fine
Kyothi is probably correct on the damage
sick sentinel
It's better defensively also
chilly brook
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sick sentinel
those 90 ish stats on every secondary is 100x better than the extremely minor armor, stam and strength increase
because stats scale off % corruptions
and armor and strength and even stam
isn't saving you from non physical damage
MS and especially workshop shoulders are even better. They actually give you OP/Unstable. which is even more stats
workshop shoulders are absolute bis
sweet summit
10k+1k
sick sentinel
it'll give you like 1% more damage reduction
chilly brook
Good old k value keeping scaling in check amirite
sick sentinel
but that doesn't count in
Magic damage intake
so it's far less worthwhile
stats are just better
workshop shoulders are just busted
chilly brook
Ye just wasn't sure what it was at that ilvl
chilly brook
What's your corruption budget
sick sentinel
depends on how much corruption you already have
if you are under 40 still
I'd go with surging
chilly brook
^
sick sentinel
Even the head piece from n'zoth is a little iffy
No OP nor unstable
no good defensive trait like impassive
so no % corruptions help scale it
chilly brook
I'll be very happy when we get rid of corruption and azerite
red fern
I have 0 xd
chilly brook
Then yes throw them on
red fern
With that one on, 35
maiden ravine
We get rid of Azerite and gain conduits
still pagoda
^
maiden ravine
DK got boots with vers proc, not the best, not the worst
chilly brook
The crappy thing is soul binds are looking kinda like a nightmare
still pagoda
at least we get rid of corruptions
chilly brook
At least from a guide perspective
still pagoda
chilly brook
RIP no blizzcon this year not even virtual
still pagoda
^
maiden ravine
It's not a huge shock, but I'm surprised they're delaying a digital one until January or February
chilly brook
I didn't expect an in person event
maiden ravine
I guess they are going to release an expansion just before Thanksgiving
chilly brook
But not having a virtual event this year is the big surprise
chilly brook
RIP
sick sentinel
I will get there soon enough boys
inland silo
get those neck levels up
sick sentinel
Wish I was actually farming dailies everyday
inland silo
easy 480
sick sentinel
all those pieces will be socketed
I only do my weekly 5 mask
xd
^
and every single piece
of those
are haste vers
shell vapor
MS and especially workshop shoulders are even better. They actually give you OP/Unstable. which is even more stats
@sick sentinel
thanks man i really appreciated the help 🙂
still pagoda
👀
sick sentinel
https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian I want you to roast my character, no hold bars
can say anything u want
ionic fern
Tauren.
Pass.
still pagoda
Tauren, 1/12N
sick sentinel
i have 460 ML crit haste shield
sick sentinel
Planning to uncorrupt weapon
maiden ravine
still a 400 int upgrade, but man, I need a better off hand if I'm using this
sick sentinel
Use the ML shield if you have it at 460
Mechagon shield is BUNS
okay, i will do that.
And again
Get CnS
is it the stats on the item that are wrong?
haste/crit?
maiden ravine
game would give me a 475 Big Red Button
sick sentinel
The mechagon shield just has no benefit because the absorb in a real setting will be gone as soon as it’s applied. More stats from ML shield is better
i guess i just haven't been thinking clearly about the corruption vendor waste too many of em, I was thinking about waiting for expediant 3 and buy whole bunch
Gonna be waiting a while friend
maiden ravine
I guess I'll use the 475 BRB over this 445 Ancient Tuskarr Sea Charm I've been stuck with
sick sentinel
that's okay with me, give me time to save
which trinket is bad, and which should i replace it with?
warm plinth
Barnacle is not great
sick sentinel
okay, i have 455 button 455 fang and 460 
as other options
but i think they are all extremely bad
Throw the sporepods in the garbage
Not only should you not wear it
But it is a sin to have it in your bags
use fang
use warden major
profit
Hnnnnnnnnng pump
vague coyote
if going for twilight dev, currently have a rank 3 and rank 1 aim for more rank 1's or get a 2
sick sentinel
Prob rank 1s based on corruption budget
Easier to swap out a r1 if you need it as you push higher
warm plinth
LOL WHAT
undone sun
yikes
warm plinth
Well
sick sentinel
that you all are wrong and versa is more dmg
warm plinth
I imagine you know that he's wrong
undone sun
intentionally gimping yourself by not using the available resources 👀
sick sentinel
Tell your gm that he smells like swamp ass
undone sun
your gm is inting
sick sentinel
I don’t use class discord’s because I know more
sharp night
there's a lot of people out there that think they know better than anyone else
sick sentinel
what a brain dead mentality
Good players go to places to learn from other good players
That's me
Who are you again
mortal brook
how dare you come to not your gm for alternative information. for shame
especially information that directly conflicts with what he says!
anyways, a quick hop to IO and you could find literally thousands of warrs not running that trinket in their keys
kinda derp there
sick sentinel
Steve the minute you stop listening to players who regularly accomplish difficult content you will get better don’t be silly
mortal brook
relevant infograph. spot the
mortal brook
hey man, that shit drops like candy
sharp night
was about to say that lmao
maiden ravine
Rezan being that low is surprising
sharp night
who would equip it though