protection

[still pagoda]

Corpses of female belfs

[sweet summit]

nice

[still pagoda]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/kazzak/Memphy

[warm plinth]

I will never understand accidentally doing other than I intended to do in a vision

[still pagoda]

my monk is kinda stuck for now

[copper lion]

does BOP clear stacks

[warm plinth]

Like idk how people start visions without masks or without all the masks

[still pagoda]

gladly, this now is only tomorrow

[copper lion]

of necrotic

[still pagoda]

does BOP clear stacks
@copper lion yes

[warm plinth]

Yes

[still pagoda]

it does

[sweet summit]

it also removes aggro 👀

[still pagoda]

^

[warm plinth]

Just need to cancel it fast or you will have your DPS getting beat on

[still pagoda]

So kill DH's with it @sweet summit

[sweet summit]

[copper lion]

/cancelaura?

[sweet summit]

yep

[copper lion]

for macro

[still pagoda]

yep

/cancelaura Blessing of Protection

[sweet summit]

/cancelaura Blessing of Protection

heck

[warm plinth]

You can just put it on all your abilities tbh

[distant crystal]

i just bound that into shield slam

[warm plinth]

No reason you'd ever keep BoP on you

[still pagoda]

i just bound that into shield slam

Actual madman

though this is a good thing to do

[sweet summit]

i have it bound to avatar

[still pagoda]

[distant crystal]

also p sure on zul

[inland bolt]

if youre just spamming low keys for echos and you have a bop on a week like this using strength + fang is pretty juicy

[distant crystal]

in KR

[inland bolt]

so you wouldnt cancel it immediately

[warm plinth]

That is an insanely niche situation though tbf

[inland bolt]

yeah i usually use strength for lower keys just to push packs, depends if you run it

[distant crystal]

i mean

if you're ok with your dps getting melee'd

[inland bolt]

oh thats not how it works

[distant crystal]

then you're ok with you not blocking/parrying

[warm plinth]

That's why he said with strength

[sweet summit]

warden taunts through BoP

[mortal brook]

warden taunt

[warm plinth]

Yeah, warden would keep them on you for 6 sec

[distant crystal]

ohhhh

[sweet summit]

like warden>BoP u still have aggro

[mortal brook]

but like, do you need the bop? shockwave and fang np in most situations

[inland bolt]

you don't get necro while you get a free channel with fang

yeah thats why I said this week

that or mdi keys 😂

[distant crystal]

just shockwave 4head

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's not something that's required. I think his point was just to clarify a situation where it might not be a good idea to have BoP macroed to all your abilities :p

[still pagoda]

just leap away 4head

just run sphere 4head

oh

i actually know what i'm gonna do rn

SOME KEYS ON WARRIOR

though i started hating ally M+ LFG

for how small amount of groups is

[inland bolt]

are you on NA?

[trail dome]

Weapon ilvl > stat distribution?

[inland bolt]

either way, i think horde is better for NA or EU

yeah just go ilvls, you lose too much dmg dropping wep ilvls

[still pagoda]

are you on NA?
@inland bolt

EU/RU

[sweet summit]

@trail dome ilvl

[still pagoda]

my warrior is still on Gordunni-EU

[trail dome]

@still pagoda buy all the cheap boes on ruski servers

then come sell on twisting nether / draenor

for a killing

@sweet summit same idea?

(gonna cleanse this shit)

[still pagoda]

@still pagoda buy all the cheap boes on ruski servers
@trail dome

They're not cheap here

[trail dome]

every time i look at wowpay2win ruski servers are always super cheap

[sweet summit]

yeh, you get armor/stam/str+more stats. id take ilvl there

[still pagoda]

Russian servers are not a goldmine

every time i look at wowpay2win ruski servers are always super cheap

Not the auction house though

but i may be mistaken on this

i'm poor anyway

only 30k gold on my warrior...

had 100k back before release of Uldir

[still pagoda]

it and BoD eaten out all of my gold

kek

[trail dome]

:>

[still pagoda]

well

i'm definitely not selling any BoEs i get in next 2 weeks then

[trail dome]

Attagirl

[distant crystal]

boe market is tanking on sarg us

i just equipped my caster offhand on lock yesterday

didn't sell at 300k and then at 200k

fuckit

[inland bolt]

boe's are pretty dead now

no point when you can just wait and get your corruption every 4 weeks

base items increased in price though

[trail dome]

^

475 ilvl is really expensive for me atl

especially shields

as it's the only reliable 475 shield

[still pagoda]

fishing LFG for 17's and 18's can be pretty tedious sometimes

especially on ally

[distant crystal]

i imagine the big corruptions will still fetch a good price

saving 15000 echoes on td3 is worth

[still pagoda]

^

already doing

i'm at 10,7k

[regal saddle]

You’ll still find buyers if you just throw them up on the ah, was trying to sell my 460 severe 2 , got. 200k offer then the next day someone mailed me and offered me 750k

[trail dome]

there's only 1 shield at 475 on TN atm

and it's 875k

[distant crystal]

shield is special

[still pagoda]

:

[trail dome]

yeah

[distant crystal]

cause 475 shield is hard to come by

[still pagoda]

^^

[distant crystal]

nobody is pugging ilgy

[still pagoda]

"Hard"

[chilly brook]

I'm a sad boy

[distant crystal]

i've gotten bandages

and the fucking mechagon tank trinket

[chilly brook]

Oof

[distant crystal]

trying to fish for a fuckin shield

[still pagoda]

i'm really lucky then

[chilly brook]

I need to knock out a 15 on my warrior

And my DH

[distant crystal]

is that G0-4W4Y?

[still pagoda]

Exp2 bracers, Rezan trink, shield

[distant crystal]

or the td one?

[still pagoda]

ffs, weekly chest going hard

TD one

[distant crystal]

rip

[still pagoda]

anyway it's 475

[distant crystal]

our protwarr rl

got a fuckin EV3 475 boe week 1

when EV was still good

[still pagoda]

i was running 465 G0-4W4Y with IT1 before this one

and yea

[distant crystal]

sold for 2mill and bought longboy

[still pagoda]

i had EV3 on this 475 shield

cleansed right away

[distant crystal]

then he got G0-4W4Y from his box the next week

[still pagoda]

[chilly brook]

Sounds like a smart guy tbh

[still pagoda]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13_RsZKl190EqIz_k_gEbd_VGDjA1o59qnQjM-PwdZ8E/htmlview#gid=2147060425

GUYS

TIME TO TARGET IF TRUE

hotfix data

and it just switches 2 weeks back to back. So not worth the look

[high nacelle]

which rings do you guys use?

[ornate ferry]

dont see a few corruptions listed

[warm plinth]

It's a WIP. The two rotations listed are the ones we've already seen.

[still pagoda]

^

[warm plinth]

I really hope the cycle doesn't change though; that's gonna be real stupid

[still pagoda]

unleash the stupidity

[sweet summit]

FUCK kragg hurts

[warm plinth]

Just ignore the pain 4head

[still pagoda]

It's a WIP. The two rotations listed are the ones we've already seen.
@warm plinth

Well, at least we know when those 2 rotations will return

[warm plinth]

Yeah

[sick sentinel]

I don’t use ignore pain because I’m emo

[still pagoda]

Basically when i will be able to gear up arms

[thin nova]

hey guys can any1 give me some insight on tanking rixxa in motherlode with a prot warrior ?

[main vault]

Spam IP, Demo Shout, and SW

And Pray your healer dispells

[thin nova]

😦

[main vault]

Oh and SR

[thin nova]

was running a 17 got destroyed

[warm plinth]

You can spell reflect every other Chemical Burn (make sure you're one of the two closest people to her when it's coming. But like Nexii said, it's basically rotating cooldowns, getting dispelled when needed, and the healer just spamming the bejesus out of you

[sweet summit]

FUCKING EUDORA ONESHOTS ON A 23?!?

[sick sentinel]

Lucid also helps for rotations of externals

[sweet summit]

cba with tyrannical man

[sick sentinel]

You're suppose to use defensives

and you can intervene every other powershot

and hope it goes on you always

also another thing

Take safeguard

they'll take 30% less damage for I think 6 seconds

makes eudora almost a joke

[warm plinth]

Yeah, ranged/healer can line of sight powder shot on the pillar under the house as well

[sweet summit]

ye was just my healer failed LoS like 3 times

and didnt barkskin

[wooden egret]

@warm plinth how do u spell reflect all the checmical burn? Cause i can't get SR up for every cast

[sweet summit]

every 2nd cast

[warm plinth]

You can do every 2nd cast

Healer dispels you for the ones you can't reflect

[wooden egret]

ohh thought u ment that u could reflect all casts, if you found some magic way i had to know 😄

[distant crystal]

make the melee eat it between SR's

:D

or if they're dec they can vanish/meld/meta dodge etc

i think fd works?

[warm plinth]

Turtle works as well

[sick sentinel]

You can also play double IT

and have a chance at getting 2 spell reflects off

[still pagoda]

started easily getting into +17 pug groups after getting 2k

that one moment when 50 rio difference mattered

[trail dome]

@sick sentinel i swear safeguard is actually kinda OP

there aren't as many oneshotty mechanics in BFA but it's really good vs the ones there are

i'm not main tank but my tank friend who usually tanks my keys plays it on KR too

[sweet summit]

im always running safeguard. its OP af

[trail dome]

also on uh

junkyard

anything with big single target damage

[sweet summit]

yeah

[trail dome]

that said 50% radius on TC is fucking enormous

literally >2* the area

[sweet summit]

yeah, i do miss having it

[trail dome]

i'm not gonna play safeguard for a long ass time

til i start going >20 on this char i think

and even then only on tyra weeks most likely.

[sick sentinel]

playing the increase range TC is inting

xd

[trail dome]

ur inting

[still pagoda]

til i start going >20 on this char i think
@trail dome

Same

i just run BS in this row 24/7

[trail dome]

i've been enjoying 12yd clap this week

can kite mobs v easily while clapping

[still pagoda]

last time i played 12yd clap was back in 7.3.5

[sick sentinel]

Kiting?

This week?

You just go into a 20 and one shot mobs

xd

[trail dome]

🤔

Yeah that sounds a lot like the experience I have pugging 15s.

[zenith monolith]

Timed ML20 for the first time today. Omg that 3rd boss hurts.

[still pagoda]

i'm yet to do 18

[sick sentinel]

Kudos for entering a ML on tyr

I’ll pass

[still pagoda]

amount of pug groups in lfg on ally is decreasing more and more

[zenith monolith]

Yeah man. Just had the key. Got a decent group and we did it.

[sick sentinel]

Huh

ML on tyran is statistically easier

for most keys

[zenith monolith]

Yeah was easiest this week according to stats

[sick sentinel]

Keep in mind I do not play the game hardly at all on tyr

[trail dome]

Yeah, just spooky keeping warriors up on 3 & 4 boss.

[zenith monolith]

We moved onto Temple 21 and got raped by first boss. 🙂

[sick sentinel]

third and 4th boss not har

d

I’ve never had a problem

But I prefer it on fort tbh

[trail dome]

Ok kyothi we get it you're really good at wow.

[sick sentinel]

Lmao

[zenith monolith]

Lol

[sick sentinel]

How come no one ever says I’m good at wow

[sweet summit]

wow hawgz, you're a god gamer

[sick sentinel]

Thx

[sweet summit]

np

[sick sentinel]

As confirmed by naowh yesterday I am methods new tank

[sweet summit]

you are!

[still pagoda]

found +18TD group

time to suffer

[sick sentinel]

May the wall pulls be in your favor brother

[trail dome]

god bless

i hate that place. still haven't done it on my warr

easily my least favourite dung

[sweet summit]

where?

[still pagoda]

10 minutes later

still waiting for any rogue to appear

[civic holly]

Hi guys, im looking at progging nzoth starting this week, i have a geared brewmaster and prot war.
Im picking which to prog on, the main criteria being which will make it easier for my guild

[sweet summit]

do you already have a BrM in the team?

[civic holly]

Is brm still better at max gear?

[mortal brook]

Ox statue is op af

[sweet summit]

yeah ox is OP

[civic holly]

No, other tank is prot pally

[sweet summit]

yeah, brm then

[civic holly]

Ok thanks

[mortal brook]

Ox statue will knock off 50 pulls ez

Do 2nd psychus

[still pagoda]

[civic holly]

The small adds on the first phases?

[still pagoda]

Time to do or die

+18 TD awaits

[sweet summit]

yeah, they psycho adds things

[civic holly]

Gl karton

Ok cheers

Guess i should go to monk fiscord for info on how to use it on the fight then!

[still pagoda]

yea

they have a lot of good people there

[civic holly]

Thanks again

[still pagoda]

asking questions on it myself

[sweet summit]

not as good as skyhold tho

[still pagoda]

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

literally a dilemma of any noob tank

[sweet summit]

actually true

[sick sentinel]

Ah I leave for 5 seconds and you guys scare the men away from prot on nzoth

[sweet summit]

its your fault, dont ever leave us again 😢

[sick sentinel]

Imagine not bootyclapping your way to top 5 on nzoth meters by padding adds

[sweet summit]

imagine playing tank in raids

[sick sentinel]

I wallow in self hatred

[civic holly]

im still here hawgz

[sweet summit]

i dont know what wallow means

[civic holly]

i assume versatile stack is much better for prog

[sweet summit]

but it sounds cool

nah, TD mate. TD.

[sick sentinel]

Hell no

At no point in the raid should you ever take enough damage that you need anything other than TD

[civic holly]

oh interesting

[sick sentinel]

We are dps machines that take damage

Nothing more in my eyes

[civic holly]

even when first learning the fights?

[sick sentinel]

I MIGHT not run TFB if you aren’t comfortable cause it can wipe you if you aren’t... but that is about the only sacrifice I would make

Our kit is more than equipped to handle anything in this raid

[civic holly]

TFB?

[sick sentinel]

Thing from beyond. But BRM will be the easier play if that is what you are looking for

Cause as the gents before me have stated

Ox op

[whole flame]

ah can you explain why the ox is so good pls hawgz?

noob tank here myself

[sick sentinel]

I’m running around like a maniac picking up adds while my brew counterpart is afk in the boss

With his ox tanking adds

Aoe taunt for harvesters is nice as well

[whole flame]

i feel like the ox misses a lot of adds? is it just being positioned incorrectly?

[sick sentinel]

Not required

But nice

Yeah it’s all positioning tbh

You’ll get the hang as you do the fight

[whole flame]

so for warrior, take td's over versatile too?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

[whole flame]

versatile just for m+?

for really big keys

[sick sentinel]

There are very few points in that fight where tank damage is even moderately high

[whole flame]

hmm ok

im getting trucked i feel like

maybe im doing some stuff wrong

i feel like my counterpart is getting trucked too

[sick sentinel]

Honestly for even 20+ keys i still take TD4 and I run one versatile3 with it

But it’s not required

What is trucking you on that fight

[whole flame]

were not really seeing the 2nd psychus phase yet

so bashers are hitting me

[sick sentinel]

Fight is front loaded

So don’t feel bad

[whole flame]

and hes getting smashed by psychus

[sick sentinel]

But void lash you should be using your cds/calling for externals if you need

But they should never void lash at the same time

One should always be dead

Makes your healers lives easier

[whole flame]

im using LPS first, dampen harm 2nd, LPS+fortbrew 3rd and calling for sac for the fourth

should we have our ranged tunnel one down and then the other?

[sick sentinel]

We burn one usually

That was only one void lash

But there are a lot of factors at play here because if psychus doesn’t die fast enough you’ll get another basher

[whole flame]

yeah thats probably our main issue atm

regularly getting that last basher spawn

psychus a bit slow

[sick sentinel]

Yeah and that can be bad if it is during the burn

You can SR one of the lashes as well so you don’t take one tick

But you’re playing brm lmao so nvm

[whole flame]

yeah

id prefer play my war

but guild geared up the monk and apparently its better so its the right thing to do

[sick sentinel]

Like all content, it is less forgiving to play prot

[whole flame]

war can get a kill later when we kill it easier

i feel like the war is just as good if you dont make mistakes

'if'

[sick sentinel]

Yeah it’s a big if

Monk is huge

[cosmic coral]

I just wanna ask if the prot guides are still up to date?

[sick sentinel]

Yes they are

Monk is snooze

[cosmic coral]

ty, and they are in the guides resources faq right, because i dont see any in pins?

[sick sentinel]

Prot is a headache

Then again raid tanking is snooze in general

[whole flame]

but but but, i have lots of td on my war and none on my monk!

[sick sentinel]

Prot can be annoying you ain’t lyin

You don't really want TD on monk

It's all Vers %

^

Unless you are parse whoring

[whole flame]

oh?

swear i just read differently a moment ago

[sick sentinel]

Smaller health pool

On monk

You're reading the wrong type of guides

Huge gains from vers

If you have a lot of echoes on your monk @whole flame

by every single bit of rank 3 Vers %

you can get it

[whole flame]

i dont

im farming them nbow

[sick sentinel]

I'd farm it

and you need one surging rank 3

the rest are %s

Or play prot

[whole flame]

mmmm i want vers % for arena too for my war

[kind spindle]

Hope this isnt the wrong place to ask (just joined) but should I stick with my Servant Splitter if I got a Resonating Crystal Scimitar? Both 465. Do the stats outweigh the proc?

[last mason]

Yes in most situations

[kind spindle]

Ok cool thanks!

[tropic fox]

is it wise to drop one BoM for one deafening crash, just to have one?

[sick sentinel]

Yes

DC is a must have

[tropic fox]

okay

[still pagoda]

Fucking TD...

fuck this shit

[sick sentinel]

Lmao rip

td is so fun

[still pagoda]

fuck wall pulls, fuck bugged walls, fuck Corgi

[sick sentinel]

Fun if code doesn’t get you sure

[still pagoda]

fuck 3rd boss too

[sick sentinel]

3rd boss is the how competent is my group check

[dire blade]

TD is and always will be my lowest key!

[sick sentinel]

It is one of the easiest keys tbh

Just awful code

[tropic fox]

TD, funny enough, is one of my highest keys i ever got 😄

[still pagoda]

bricked, but at least done

Fuck TD

[sick sentinel]

Just don't TD stuff :4head:

[tropic fox]

my nemesis is kings rest 😉

[still pagoda]

fun fact, but i tolerate KR more than TD

[tropic fox]

its either the third boss, which bricks my keys there or the first group after the second boss

[warm plinth]

King's Rest sucks in general tbf

[still pagoda]

but it sucks less than TD

tbh

at least no wall pull bullshit and bugs

at least i've got +18 done

and will be able to safely push next week right from +17

https://raider.io/characters/eu/gordunni/Меммфетида

My highest rio keys don't look good

half are bricked 17's

though, this +18 showed that i'm really comfortable with this this range of keys by now

[sick sentinel]

Just hold W

[still pagoda]

[cosmic coral]

HoD or Iron Fortress? icyveins says they are about equal , what do u guys pref?

[sick sentinel]

HoD

Way better

[cosmic coral]

ty

[dusty warren]

guys, TD5 = 38 corruption or risk with TD5 + IT1 = 50 corruption?

[still pagoda]

this is not really a risk

you can SR, stun and fear TFB

[cosmic coral]

Overwhelming power or unstable flames? or does it not matter since they are ranked equally on icyveins?

[still pagoda]

OP

[dusty warren]

yeah, I`ll sim with both scenario but I think try with 50 corruption

[cosmic coral]

for m+

[still pagoda]

more haste = more everything

[cosmic coral]

forgot toadd

[still pagoda]

OP and UF are universal

no need to judge them as "for raids or for M+"

though OP is better

never too much haste

[grand drum]

TD13

[still pagoda]

[dusty warren]

lol

[still pagoda]

ebanutyi chelovek

try running keys with this

[shy rapids]

guys should i just stack versa corruption for Prot?

for mythic +

[grand drum]

go twilight dev

[shy rapids]

alrdy have a lot of crit / haste from gear

[still pagoda]

also. I will actually follow Naowh's advice from yesterday and try running keys with Lucid for big pull setups next week

go twilight dev

always

there is no such thing as "too much" haste and crit

[cosmic coral]

So for m+ i just keep stacking TD and then IT/Expedient for filler?

[still pagoda]

you continue doing this for everything

raids too

[cosmic coral]

ah okay

[dusty warren]

is there a cap for haste or a min to play confortable?

[still pagoda]

there is no cap

the more haste, the better

[trail dome]

i'm gonna keep playing vop until i can get everything else right

[still pagoda]

i'm already totally comfortable with +17-18 keys

and gonna push higher next week

really wanna do +20's

and try out Lucid for the sake of fun and big pulls

[cosmic coral]

theres like 8 trinkets I see in icyveins that are decent, what would u guys say is best for m+? I want to run urchin (430ilvl tho so im not sure its that good) and heroic raden

[sick sentinel]

Vita and scale/block/rezan

[still pagoda]

The only that matter are vita, rezan and scaleshard

and goreblock from WCM

LPS is a situational trinket for high keys and mythic prog

[sick sentinel]

Get psychic shell from nzoth if you need a defensive option though in most situations stat sticks will serve you better

[still pagoda]

^

[cosmic coral]

ty ❤️

[lucid geyser]

Quick question: Do we always prioritize ilvl for shields? Do I give up my haste/vers with Echoing Void for a +10ilvl vers/crit with no corruption?

[still pagoda]

105 days played on my warrior

most of this during Legion

[warm plinth]

ilevel ilevel and ilevel for shields @lucid geyser Block is by far our most important stat.

[lucid geyser]

Thanks <3

This community is so god damn helpful i fucking love it

[still pagoda]

you're welcome)

[trail dome]

Just don't ask about leech.

[still pagoda]

^

and verse

too many questions

like those

[trail dome]

speaking of which btw

this is wearing max ilvl set

huge leech

[cosmic coral]

would you guys say 460 vita/ 475 scale > 460 vita/ 465 block with a gemsocket?

[still pagoda]

yes

[cosmic coral]

for m+

[still pagoda]

huge leech
@trail dome

Zero leech on my gear

i have 15% verse tho

[cosmic coral]

so literally just prio haste

[still pagoda]

[trail dome]

haste & crit

[still pagoda]

ilvl > haste > crit => verse > mastery

[cosmic coral]

how does corruption play into that? ive got 445 expedient pants with crit haste, but ive also got the same pants at 475, do i equip the 475 over it?

and find somewhere else to put that corruption?

[still pagoda]

find TD

i run TD3 rn, but closer and closer to just dumping and getting TD5

[cosmic coral]

ive got TD4 atm

[warm plinth]

The only corruption you generally drop corruption for is TD, and that's just because of how ridiculously strong it is.

er

[still pagoda]

hope that TD3 will be on vendor's list this Wednesday

[warm plinth]

Generally drop ilevel for*

[still pagoda]

TD

[cosmic coral]

ah okay, i see, so i should just equip the 475 , and if i get another TD to get TD5 then i think about dropping ilvl if its worth?

[still pagoda]

ye

exactly

[cosmic coral]

ah okay ty again

okay so what if its the 475 crit haste item compared to a 470 msatery haste item with a crit corruption on it?

[still pagoda]

no corruption is worth ilvl unless it's TD

crit amp is no exception

[cosmic coral]

hmm okay ty

[still pagoda]

all tank specs love ilvl nowadays

[trail dome]

exception is rings

and occasionally offpieces

like if wrists had vers/mast and i had ones 5 ilvl lower with haste heavy haste/crit

And rings obv are all about stats.

But if it's a big piece like legs or weapon or whatever just take ilvl.

Honestly in general just take ilvl.

Ilvl is great.

[cosmic coral]

last question, 475 vers haste item to a 475 haste mastery item with a crit % corruption? I gain 1.3% crit and 2.52% mastery but lose 1.4% vers, if i equip the haste mastery item with the crit % corruption

[trail dome]

take the corruption unless it has a big impact on your corruption budget

[cosmic coral]

ah okay thought so, and naw i have a lot of corruption still available even after that item

[trail dome]

yeah in general more stats > less stats

even if they're slightly worse stats

[civic tide]

any thoughts on 445 urchin vs 460 vita ? for m+

[sweet summit]

vita

vita owns

[still pagoda]

Urchin is more of a meme for prot warrior

We're not monks after all

[civic tide]

ty 🙂

[cosmic coral]

since i have poopy wep and shield, 430 and 445 respectively, but i have 5 b rolls that i wont use them on anything anytime soon, im gonna run H Nya to get 460 stuff, would it be better to get a shield or wep first

[sweet summit]

sheild is your entire defense

i wanna say shield

[cosmic coral]

well i guess i could farm m+ for a shield actually or wep, ima use all my b rolls on wrath and run 14 keys till i get a good shield for higher keys

[still pagoda]

Get lucky with weekly chest

[sweet summit]

id just bonus roll wrathion and ilgy, vex too if you didnt get wrath sword

[still pagoda]

^^

[warm plinth]

Are you going to be doing Mythic raid? Or just heroic?

[sweet summit]

ilgy is the only boss that drops sheild, outside of the BoE trash shield

[warm plinth]

I think I'd personally bonus roll Ra-den because of Vita

[cosmic coral]

already have it

i just need a wep and shield

yea ur right nvm i wont b rool wrath heroic

[warm plinth]

Ah ok

[cosmic coral]

io can just get one for mythic

[sick sentinel]

leech is good for us?

[trail dome]

Wait, is leech good for prot?

[cosmic coral]

i second that question, cuz i can equip a 460 piece that is exactly the same as a 475, but the 460 has leech

[warm plinth]

Leech is not worth considering unless you're comparing two items of the same ilevel

[trail dome]

Sorry Wisdom, leech is a bit of a meme in here.

I'm trolling.

Definitely play the 475.

[cosmic coral]

ah okay, just making sure, ty

[sick sentinel]

i just got this yesterday

[still pagoda]

Cleanse

[sick sentinel]

should i cleanse it? yeah?

[warm plinth]

Yes, cleanse it

[cosmic coral]

how many stacks u taunt off of ilgy beam, 2?

[still pagoda]

Leech is not worth any corruption budget

[cosmic coral]

is therea thing i can find for all the fights

[still pagoda]

I taunted at 3 last time

But again, overgear

[sick sentinel]

I hear we are discussing leech

[main vault]

The only reason Warrios take Lucid

[sick sentinel]

Mythic ilgynoth you will want to taunt on 2 beams btw

[sweet summit]

taunt on two

[sick sentinel]

Are you giving me lip

[trail dome]

So prot's my alt, i main healer.

[sick sentinel]

Gross

[trail dome]

Is it me or does ilgy beam & carapace mandible slam hit considerably harder than literally anything else in hc

[sick sentinel]

But carry on

[trail dome]

i nearly died to mandy slam

[sick sentinel]

Need to make sure you are blocking

And need to spell reflect it when you can

It is blockable, so if you take it unblocked you will notice

[trail dome]

It might have been weird 30 man tuning too tbf

But I got fucking slammed.

[sick sentinel]

If it is almost killing you it’s unblocked

[trail dome]

Maybe. I did also have like.... 5 stacks? Maybe 6?

[sick sentinel]

Then black scar is what’s killing you

Which can be reflected

[trail dome]

the debuff is reflectable?

[sick sentinel]

Yes you can deflect the application of black scar

[sweet summit]

thats how im gonna end up solotanking carapace one day

with my ineffable ravager

[sick sentinel]

I solo tank in p1 just so other tank can run around wrangling adds so they don’t take muh haste

[trail dome]

Oh shit, that's good to know.

[sweet summit]

oh haste debuff D:

i dont wanna solotank carapace anymore

[trail dome]

But I still feel like that thing hits way harder than anything else on hc.

I've only done 1 hc alt run on my warrior but that & ilgy beam are the only things that damaged me. 👀

[sweet summit]

if you have a lot of stacks it will hurt yeah

[sick sentinel]

But if the hit itself is what’s killing you

[sweet summit]

you have demo, sr, sw and externals

[sick sentinel]

It’s cause you aren’t blocking it

[sweet summit]

for ilgy beam

[sick sentinel]

For beam just be a chad

Even on mythic

SR the first was fine for me and LPS the second

Absolute cheese

[sweet summit]

chad
LPS
🤔

[sick sentinel]

You giving me lip again

[main vault]

Only bitches need LPS in HC

[sick sentinel]

Heck out of here I said mythic

Also can just use LS for first and SR for second and you’ll be fine

Not the optimal use of LS but w/e you only tank like 20 seconds on that fight

[main vault]

You said even in

Implying hc, and mythic

[sick sentinel]

Ok sorry dad I’ll be better

[sweet summit]

i believe in you, son

[sick sentinel]

🙏

[next yacht]

are workshop bracers worth anything?

[sick sentinel]

No

If you have something else at equal or higher ilvl, use them

[mortal brook]

macro em into a spammy button, forget they exist

[iron tiger]

Hiya

Any tricks for better snap threat?

On an aoe pull

Sometimes when people burst 130+ they pull a mob off me

[sick sentinel]

If your dps are pulling threat they likely just need to cool it

or you're doing your dps rotation wrong

But you in general shouldn’t have threat issues if you are playing properly

Should be avatar before pull, demo shout as you go in and TC

then revenge

and as long as they wait that like 2 seconds

they shouldn't rip threat

Basically if you get a TC off before they go all should be fine

But if for example a dh eyebeams while you’re charging

He’s gonna have a bad time

[iron tiger]

They were using the beam sometimes

The essence

[grave lily]

eye beam death sweep iris fel barrage death sweep "tank hello i got meleed?"

is pretty classic

[main vault]

i got meleed

[grave lily]

Where does lucid fit into the opener, since its undeniably bis now

[mortal brook]

When the mage presses combust

[iron tiger]

I've been using vop cause my gear is bad and I didn't unlock all essences yet

[main vault]

lucid is more of a skillcap thing than a gear thing

[sick sentinel]

You just push it whenever

you feel like you need it and or doing a big pull in a few seconds

[warm plinth]

YOu shouldn't die as a DH no matter your opener anyway. You have like 3 seconds of immunity at the start

[sick sentinel]

Not true

at all

[warm plinth]

Blade Dance dodge > Meta immunity > Blade Dance dodge

[tame garden]

and then aoe stun

[warm plinth]

I mean, I am a havoc DH main and that's 100% my experience

[left hatch]

that and i usually will throw in the stun

[tame garden]

and then veng retreat

[left hatch]

for extra soul gen after 2nd eye beam

[tame garden]

:^)

[sick sentinel]

You're taking in the account they have meta

You guys obviously dont know about the new blood fang build

with fell barage

I can be tanking it for 10 seconds

be doing 300k dps

and they will still rip threat from me

[warm plinth]

I do, but if you're doing keys where you're running that build you're smart enough to not blow your load before tank establishes threat

[sick sentinel]

and die instantly

in a 25

[warm plinth]

So it's not really relevant to the question being asked I wouldn't say

[sick sentinel]

They aren't invincible

[grave lily]

its a real good week to burst mobs to 30% and then run out of dmg too

[left hatch]

never said they were, were saying that you should never get threat

[sick sentinel]

It's a very very common occurrence

[warm plinth]

I never said they were invincible.

[sick sentinel]

Ghash120ETDToday at 9:15 PM
YOu shouldn't die as a DH no matter your opener anyway. You have like 3 seconds of immunity at the start

i've been running some keys getting io, 2 chested a ML 13 just now, and there is a 15 ML in qeue i think i could manage, but i've never done a 15, don't got great io

1300

[left hatch]

shouldn't die in your opener =/= invincible?

[warm plinth]

I mean, the 3 seconds of immunity is true

[sick sentinel]

just scared to try, you know.

[main vault]

If you can two chest a 13 you can time a 15

[sick sentinel]

That's if they have meta

[left hatch]

if they don't you have an aoe stun

[warm plinth]

Okay. They still have blade dance and nova

[sick sentinel]

I've seen dhs rip threat immediately

and most of them don't use nova

why would you use nova

and stun dr them?

[warm plinth]

Huh?

[sick sentinel]

maybe in pug bad groups

dhs don't do that

at all

[left hatch]

to live if you rip threat?

[warm plinth]

I mean, we're not talking about world first keys here buddy

We're talking about average players

[sick sentinel]

and I'm talking the other point of view

you're saying impossible

[warm plinth]

This isn't Skyhold - World First Players Only

[sick sentinel]

its' not impossible

you should look at both sides

[main vault]

Ah moving the goalposts I see

[sick sentinel]

I mean

[main vault]

Classic move

[sick sentinel]

he said what he said

[warm plinth]

I literally never said it was impossible for them to die dude lol

Never, ever said that

I said "SHOULDN'T"

Shouldn't doesn't mean won't btw

In case you didn't know

[left hatch]

you also made a definitive statement of "Dh's Do'nt do that at all"

which is just as overreaching as " impossible to die"

[sick sentinel]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ModernSilkyKaleGrammarKing

Theres been already conversations about htis

[left hatch]

don't criticize absolutes out of context and then use an absolute yourself

[sick sentinel]

this

lol

It makes you look stupid

[left hatch]

how in any way

does that make ghash look stupid

[sick sentinel]

Ghash's fine

you arne't

aren't*

[left hatch]

how?

[sick sentinel]

Have you seen what you said?

lol

[left hatch]

calling you out for criticizing an absolute when you used one?

or saying that you shouldn't be pulling threat

[sick sentinel]

What are you talking about?

Lol

[compact atlas]

we need an adult

[left hatch]

i have zero idea what you're criticizing me for lol

[sick sentinel]

I'm not criticizing

?

I'm confused

[left hatch]

It makes you look stupid
@sick sentinel

???

[sick sentinel]

I wasn't talking to you

[main vault]

Saying something makes someone look stupid is absolutely criticizing

[sick sentinel]

?

[left hatch]

Ghash's fine you arn't"
@sick sentinel

[tame garden]

delete dh

[sick sentinel]

Those statements are seperate

[main vault]

You said ghash was fine

[sick sentinel]

lol

[main vault]

Are you drunk?

[left hatch]

then who are you calling stupid lmfao

[sick sentinel]

No; you seem out of it?

[main vault]

I feel like you are drunk

[sick sentinel]

DHs

DHs are stupid

[main vault]

There is no way at all that could be taken to mean DHs

[sick sentinel]

I mean

[left hatch]

yah...

[sick sentinel]

I did link a video talking about dh threat right?

and posted that statement

[left hatch]

and then called 'someone' stupid

[sick sentinel]

right after

[main vault]

Your logic is all over the place

[sick sentinel]

My comments where directly towards the vid

lol

[main vault]

Obviously no one else saw it that way

[left hatch]

communication skills could def use some work

[main vault]

Cause it’s like trying to follow a train wreck

[tame garden]

melee dps are not people

[left hatch]

but yeh i agree, if a DH pulls threat and dies itshis own fault

[main vault]

Not a false statement

[sick sentinel]

bear tanks aren't people speg

[left hatch]

if you're running fang you need to wait a few GCD's

[tame garden]

😦

[left hatch]

if you're not you have immunities and are likely at a level you have the benefit of Nova early on

for both soul gen for demo reset, and to give your tank a grace period to gain threat

[tame garden]

skyhold always toxic

[main vault]

It’s always good for memes

[sick sentinel]

Triggering people is the best

Speg

[main vault]

You seem to get the most triggered in here tbh

[sick sentinel]

I'm not lol

I'm laughing

[main vault]

All I see you do is argue

[sick sentinel]

That's the point

[main vault]

It’s fun to watch

[sick sentinel]

It's funny

[main vault]

“Haha guys I was just kidding”

[sick sentinel]

that's a classic one too

[left hatch]

"it was just a prank"

[main vault]

Pmuch what you just said

[sick sentinel]

another classic

[left hatch]

yike

[sick sentinel]

Baiting people is always fun

[main vault]

Yeah now it’s baiting

Classic

[sick sentinel]

I mean

that's what I said from the beginning yes?

[main vault]

I was just trolling guize

[sick sentinel]

ah another classic

You guys are so original

👏

[main vault]

Likewise

[tame garden]

give global emotes

[sick sentinel]

I'd love that

[tame garden]

then we dont need trolling for entertainment

[left hatch]

global emotes will come when you stop stacking verse

[main vault]

🎸 is all you need for people like this

[tame garden]

we can post funny emotes instead

[sick sentinel]

nerf said he's stacking vers and IT

no td

that's the play

[tame garden]

@left hatch vers is the future and those who dont invest now will regret

[left hatch]

rip global emotes ):

[iron tiger]

If you have roughly equal gear, are visions easier as prot or as a dps spec?

I haven't tried any as prot yet

[main vault]

Fury is pmuch a joke

[iron tiger]

But they're ok as fury

Yea I'll stick fury then thanks

[main vault]

Prot is also fine

[iron tiger]

Is prot + tdev trivial?

[light ermine]

long as it procs, td will wipe out pretty much most mobs and elites

[left hatch]

^

roll with CoF major and maybe the lazer mechagon punch card

[tame garden]

all 3 specs are pretty good for visions

i like fury + tdev

[left hatch]

and prot can pretty cleanly do 5masks

[iron tiger]

My cloak is only like 5-6

not quite there yet

[left hatch]

ah, well yeh its pretty trivial

[main vault]

If you are only clearing two zones just do whatever

[left hatch]

learn early on what mobs have fuck you mechanics

so you don't mass pull with them

and you're golden

[iron tiger]

I already know those from my rogue

I 5 mask on my rogue, just not sure if prot is ezmode

[left hatch]

its ezmode

[limpid pawn]

hey, so this week +19 WCM witches/raal the butcher

how are you guys doing it successfully - just curious

for that level or higher

[oblique garnet]

Reflect abuse

[tame garden]

i assume you mean handling necrotic on raal? whats wrong with witches

[limpid pawn]

maybe it's my group, but people are dropping during p2

[oblique garnet]

On raal you should reset necrotic automaticly if adds are dying

[limpid pawn]

for witches, like after the first witch

[left hatch]

not moving or bad healer

[tame garden]

well theres not rly anything you can do as the tank

on witches

[oblique garnet]

Are you kicking off targets aswell

[limpid pawn]

ok, i am reflecting on CD, and kicking on CD

which are you kicking, bramble bolt?

[oblique garnet]

Any casts really

[limpid pawn]

yes then I am

[left hatch]

kicking the active witch reduces tank damage

kicking a non active witch reduces group damage

[oblique garnet]

You need 1 more person to do the active one with warrior

[tame garden]

for raal just tell dps to focus oozelings and then you get to reset while boss does his pukes

[limpid pawn]

i was kicking bramble bolt b/c i wasn't dying

[left hatch]

also have ppl use their externals a little bfore the boss

[limpid pawn]

nettles killed people ultra quick

[left hatch]

iv had a number of wipes because a shaman still has their 40% DR when they get MCd -_-

[limpid pawn]

i was telling them to use immunities when they get targeted - is this wrong?

they didn't listen to me

[tame garden]

they should pre defensive the nettles

and then health pot

[limpid pawn]

b/c after it's on someone, it's like instant death it looks like if they didn't use anything

what about runic mark damage

that rotted the group

is spreading basically the only thing to mitigate this other than de-cursing as much as possible?

sounds obvious but trying to see who is fucking up

[tame garden]

speading is just for pop at the end of the marks

[left hatch]

idr names, but spreading and constantly moving or jumping

to keep the dot from ramping up

is necesary

sadly theres not much you can do

its a massive dps race

and if your healer gets behind

you're fucked

[limpid pawn]

healer was using vitality conduit

is this something that could have messed us up?

[left hatch]

not really my wheelhouse

the only thing i forsure know vitality conduit is good for is againt necrotic

cause it bypasses it

[tame garden]

idk sounds like bad dps or bad healer

[left hatch]

but that only really applies if your tank is bad and not resetting stacks (or can't)

[tame garden]

vitality conduit is fine, prob a good button to top off nettles targets

[iron tiger]

@left hatch yea it wasnt bad at all

felt a tiny bit slower than fury

when i get unlucky td procs on the elites

but the non elites just melted

[left hatch]

yeh thats why someppl run CoF and punchcard

is to help make the bosses/minibosses less of a slog

[sick sentinel]

welp, i completed first 15 i ever did, bit messy but got it done 44 minute ML

rough, not always expecting 200-400k abilities.

[timber dagger]

has anyone tried stacking %vers?

[sick sentinel]

don't quote me on this but i think someone said stack versa if you are getting 1 shot until that doesn't happen, then stack crit?

[timber dagger]

stack crit for what, parry chance?

[sick sentinel]

more damage somehow too

[mortal brook]

Its still TD for almost all content

[sick sentinel]

I, for one, am not sad to see necrotic go

[sick sentinel]

Why was I not informed that last boss of JY would destroy my DH

I got “wrecked” kek

I don’t like the feeling of hoping for the meta proc when I play my DH

i, AM sad to see necrotic go now

because i understand it and am one with it

[tame garden]

necro can fuck off

teeming fort

[sick sentinel]

Necro also disaster on my dh

My healing

[ionic fern]

[hushed creek]

for m+ I use 24% TD but can get 30% with eye up, would you stick to TD or should I get something more defensive if I want to progress +15 and up ?

[ionic fern]

You can pretty safely stick to TD even on +15 and up keys.

[hushed creek]

oh nice 🙂

[ionic fern]

The damage it provides is really good as you've probably seen.

[sick sentinel]

can't complain with these imo

[hushed creek]

hehe yeah ,but sometimes I wonder if I should be more tanky

[ionic fern]

Just be vary of the Thing from Beyond (if you decide to go 40+ corruption).

[hushed creek]

no no I'm 37 with 30% td

[sick sentinel]

oh i said fuck TFB

[ionic fern]

The majority of your tankiness comes from proper play.

[sick sentinel]

got rid of that mofo immediately after i saw what he does, 2 of em on bug boss UR 350k each

nope

[ionic fern]

You can run TD's even into 20+ keys.

[sick sentinel]

big pass on TFB

[hushed creek]

great ,thanks for info:)

have a nice day

[ionic fern]

Enjoy.

[analog swift]

btw

spell reflect tfb

storm bolt

ez

[sick sentinel]

not worth it imho

300k dmg is too much all at once for me atm

too much shit already tryin to kill me

[ionic fern]

Play what ever you are comfortable with.
In general we do have the tools to deal with Thing From Beyond so we don't get smacked unless they spawn on top of us. 🙂

[sick sentinel]

sometimes just no avoiding tho, and too big risk of wipe

If you aren’t comfortable don’t run it but the chance that TFB is unavoidable AND it will kill you is slim

[wispy quartz]

is there a good weakaura to see what spells are being cast on you?

[maiden ravine]

lol

so my dk alt only has td3 on a weapon

apparently I should have cleansed it instantly

and use what the hell else

[left hatch]

your dk alt is UH right?

cause i think UH stacks haste and mastery amps

instead of TD

[hallow phoenix]

Stacks mainly haste

Something about pet energy

[left hatch]

more energy->more ghoul claw (aoe when xformed) -> crazier festermight window

so makes sense

[bright jolt]

does honey pot pie and SoS minor stack?

for movement debuff

[left hatch]

i don't believe so

most MS shit just takes the highest instead of overwriting it (like you don't get the 20% from TC)

[vivid pecan]

Hi All.
Maybe you already answer this qustion, but I can't find the answer.
What Essences are you using for 5 Masks visions? I am trying to make my fisrt one, but I failed because I miss dps I think (and a few skill to avoid mechanics too 😄 )
Thx 🙂

[bright jolt]

anima major

[left hatch]

CoF Major, CnS, Null VoP minors

never anima major

[bright jolt]

big td guy

[left hatch]

its less dps than VoP

and the minor doesn't buff td by that much

[bright jolt]

pull all at once :DDDDD

[ionic fern]

@vivid pecan do you have TD?

You pull everything together regardless @bright jolt .

AoE DPS is not our concern.

[left hatch]

worst part of 5 masking is bosses

hence the CoF

[bright jolt]

l:d

VoP is good too

[left hatch]

and punchcard lazer for mechagon trinket

yeh VoP is fine

[ionic fern]

I think i'm usually doing
CoF->Cns/Sphere/VoP

• Blast trinket.

[left hatch]

iv been running null when i can do stuff like cheese the fire pools

for ez explosions

minor*

probably not the most consistent tho

[ionic fern]

I'm just too lazy to think about it.
Don't really enjoy visions.

😂

Do like one a week.

[tawdry prawn]

Hi y’all What’s better? Vers% corruption if not every piece of gear has vers on it or the vers prod corruptions

[past berry]

Visions are annoying after you have done them on a DH, it will piss you off on any other class.

[left hatch]

what level of keys are you doing?

[tawdry prawn]

18-20 lvl key

[left hatch]

neither

[ionic fern]

You don't need vers amps there.

👀

Go full ham TD.

[tawdry prawn]

Full td?

[left hatch]

TD and if you want a tfb grab an expedient 3 or IT1

[tawdry prawn]

Aha I’ve been so unlucky w them

Maybe they’ll be in the vendor tomorrow

[left hatch]

fingers crossed