actually did atal 23
#protection
oblique garnet
Not even gonna bother with any higher key this week ngl
still pagoda
not playing on necro week
oblique garnet
Its not fun week why would i play? 
still pagoda
I'm playing my horde reroll this week mostly
full monolith
how do you guys handle cancelaura macros? especially with regards to BoP this week:
Would you recommend binding it to another spell? like something we do spam for usual
still pagoda
i just bind it on the different key
left hatch
what modern situation do we have that you wanna keep bop on you
still pagoda
the only cancelaura macro that i had in another spell was Ice Block
full monolith
what modern situation do we have that you wanna keep bop on you
@left hatch thats what i thought aswell
sick sentinel
Hello
full monolith
like bind it to clap, sb and IP
sick sentinel
As requested 
👁️
full monolith
should cancel it instant
sick sentinel
I just have another key bind for it
left hatch
i was mostly memeing
warm plinth
I feel attacked for you Thyme
left hatch
BUT
you can't say that the idea of doing WQ or trivial keys
in bed with a controller
isn't appealing
undone sun
but i can
still pagoda
undone sun
it's not in the slightest
warm plinth
You can do that now with addons but it's not really as great as it sounds
still pagoda
^
warm plinth
Maybe when they add the better controller support in SL it'll be better
But as of right now it's pretty meh
left hatch
i tried it with FF14 and ESO
and its nice
not competitive at all but for random content its comfy
undone sun
there are many games i'd never play on a controller, wow and wow-alikes are in that category
undone sun
also true
warm plinth
Like people who play Dark Souls with a mouse and keyboard are actual psychopaths
left hatch
yeh i think MMO's are the only ones i 'need' a keyboard for
undone sun
Rocket league
left hatch
even something like destiny pve i like dat controller
gaunt dawn
Hey there. I recently got into 20/21 Keys on my warrior because I had to reroll for my team. Should i buy vers amps or ineffable truth?
left hatch
are you being 1-shot despite playing perfectly
gaunt dawn
didnt have a survival problem since I started
left hatch
then continue stacking TD and fill in extra with preferably expedient 3
if not then IT1
(you can get up to TD5 now without TFB)
left hatch
thats not a 1-shot haha, another 800 verse for 5% DR isn't gonna save you from kicks being missed ):
gaunt dawn
So I should only start stacking vers if I'm being oneshot if I understand correctly, otherwise play for dps
left hatch
basically
verse only becomes a priority stat when you can do literally nothing else to live through certain burst mechanics
otherwise haste and crit will do more to reduce your overall EHRPS
(and even when you do get the point you start eyeing that versa, you mix in the bare minimum you need to live, i haven't yet seen a world first key completely give up TD)
warm plinth
If you're playing properly and getting one-shot, more specifically
left hatch
yeh
warm plinth
If you're dying because you made a mistake, fix the mistake
gaunt dawn
alright ty very much
left hatch
you are starting to get to the range that Lucid Major becomes good tho
might be fun to play around with that some
make some spicy pulls every 2m
tame garden
Vers is love
warm plinth
The bear is here
mortal brook
:unbearable:
undone sun
@ionic fern cross server emotes when
sick sentinel
Lucid major smells bad
left hatch
a perfect compliment to your own natural aroma
tame garden
Vers stacking is the future
oblique garnet
Cross server emotes never
tame garden
Boo
tame garden
😳
oblique garnet
🔨
undone sun
💪
red fern
Which ones?
sweet summit
TD
red fern
Even tho it's 3 ilvl increase?
sick sentinel
Pwns*
tame garden
Vers pwns
sick sentinel
Yeah if you’re a beta bear and can’t survive without it
amber siren
be nice to bears 
tame garden
Its ok hawgz is just jealous
I forgive him
His shield wall is on a cooldown while mine is on permanently through the magic of vers
warm plinth
😂
still pagoda
🤣
fallow fiber
question got lost in the shuffle from last night:
I'm filling my corruption budget out with my first versatile 3 - which feet should I put it on?
I like the haste > verse ones, but IDK how valuable leech is
strong forum
id use the leech
ripe helm
Ieech for sure
amber siren
roughly the same budget but the extra leech is nice
fallow fiber
kk - thanks 🙂
ripe helm
Last season leech was the most valuable prot stat point for point. Can't be bad this season lol
strong forum
no it wasnt
warm plinth
Well that's just not true.
amber siren
strong forum
leech is never more valuable than actual stats
but its same ilvl, so its okay to use
tame garden
Vers > leech
amber siren
🗞️
strong forum
okay so, twitch chat told me
rio > vers > leech > sockets
still pagoda
Last season leech was the most valuable prot stat point for point. Can't be bad this season lol
@ripe helm
It really is bad rn
still pagoda
prisma crane
amber siren
left hatch
tame garden
It's not memes
still pagoda
gz
ah
i want my monk at 465 ASAP
wanna raid normally and not with this guild of total slackers i'm with rn on ally
sweet summit
WE GO AGAIN
still pagoda
sweet summit
102 pulls
still pagoda
i had 500 pulls on G'huun and didn't get CE in the end(cause guild died)
strong forum
rip
still pagoda
well, maybe at least this tier i will be able to get CE after moving over to horde and finding myself a tank spot somewhere
main vault
I would have died after 500 pulls tbh
sweet summit
yeah, guild started a month ago lol
tame garden
102 pulls wtf
sweet summit
strong forum
for you, or entire guild
sweet summit
guild
wintry ermine
can you share logs to see your raid setup?
still pagoda
maybe i will be able to get it this tier or in SL
wintry ermine
thanks!
still pagoda
but rn i'm a 3/12 mythic scrub who's only moving over to faction with actually existing raiding guilds
sweet summit
boss died WAY too fast tho
still pagoda
you played monk on prog?
wintry ermine
no prot warrior 😢
still pagoda
strong forum
well it is nerfed to shit
sweet summit
im the warrior
still pagoda
ah
sweet summit
didnt get lucid in execute lol
thought boss would be alive for like 2 more minutes
🤣
ripe helm
alright numbers on leech: at 40k dps 100 leech (~2.5%) gives you 1k hps. In order for 100 versatility to mitigate 1k dps you would need to be taking 166k dps. I guess you can determine how much you value that since they are both very different in their usefulness
still pagoda
man
verse also gives DPS
and it is just a flat-out DR
leech is literally worthless
ripe helm
if you say so
late panther
saying leech is worthless D:
sweet summit
leech is not worthless, but its irrelvant in most comparisons
ripe helm
yeah its very hard to compare, if you are taking less than 166k dps and are not at full hp leech is better than vers. Leech doesnt help dps or getting one shot.
better for survivability*
sweet summit
he needs to learn from you
still pagoda
👀
but really. For people like me, who do keys in 16-18 range, leech is really worthless
ripe helm
honestly i think its more valuable in that range
tame garden
Worthless is a strong word
ripe helm
helping your healer out seems super useful if you pug, 16-18 seems flooded with people who get carried by corruption right now lol
strong forum
you dont take any dmg in those anyway
tame garden
We are all carried by corruption on this blessed patch
ripe helm
kinda seems to be the top end of what can be done without really doing any mechanics for most people lol
strong forum
na, gear can carry you further than that
still pagoda
the biggest problem in 16-18 range is amount of idiots dying to trivial mechanics and standing in fire
strong forum
especially if you play meta comps
sweet summit
my gear carried me all my way
strong forum
around 20s is when people need to pay attention
grand drum
twilight dev carries me
chilly brook
@ripe helm going out of your way for leech is bad period
grand drum
i can wear like TD14 rn with all my TD pieces
still pagoda
strong forum
do it 
still pagoda
Give me some of dat
i only have TD3
time to look at lower key pugs dying to trivial shit
regal saddle
Will there ever be too much td
ripe helm
is picking blood siphon over lifespeed going out of my way for leech?
sweet summit
yes because haste>mast
chilly brook
Yep
ripe helm
guess im bad 😄
still pagoda
warm plinth
@ripe helm You're literally ignoring half of the effect of versatility to say that leech is better before x amount of damage taken per second.
still pagoda
^
ripe helm
from a strictly defensive standpoint
chilly brook
From a strictly defensive standpoint leech is still bad
warm plinth
And it doesn't make sense to compare leech to versatility in the way that you did because leech is a heal based on your damage done and versatility straight up prevents damage. Damage prevention is always better than healing damage (especially since leech could heal 0 if you're not taking damage)
chilly brook
^^^
still pagoda
^
warm plinth
Like you're ignoring so much to make that comparison it's not even funny
ripe helm
i said exactly those things when i typed it
chilly brook
And especially considering how much damage we prevent in the first place
wheat plume
should i stack and do td 5 or get some verse corruption?
strong forum
TD5
warm plinth
If you're comparing pieces of the same ilevel, then it makes sense to take the piece with leech because it's a perk and you're not losing stats to get it. But I'm not sure how you can justify taking leech over stats that straight up prevent damage.
sweet summit
this
wheat plume
right now i have td 4 but im still catching up on my cloak to do td5
strong forum
vers stacking only becomes attractive for pushing world first keys
chilly brook
Like honestly we should never be in a position where the healer needs us to contribute leech healing in order to stay alive
We already require a really small amount of healing compared to other tanks tbh
still pagoda
due to how stagger works primarily on smoothing and not mitigation
chilly brook
Although you'd be surprised at how many people dont understand that
chilly brook
I've been told it's not ok that I take more damage than a blood dk as a monk because I have mitigation and they dont
wheat plume
can someone please tell me what if theres anything i need to change with my gear , i just feel like i need to socket and wait for td corruption vendor https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/bleeding-hollow/Sleep
chilly brook
Hard to look at any of that on mobile but drop LPS for something else until you absolutely need an absorb every minute
warm plinth
No reason to enchant vers either, you're doing 18s
wheat plume
so enchant haste then?
chilly brook
Haste haste haste
sweet summit
HASTE SLAPS
chilly brook
Ye boi
strong forum
going full haste vers, idk bro
chilly brook
Haste means more shield blocks
warm plinth
Yes, and force multiplier on your weapon
strong forum
id go full haste crit
chilly brook
More shield blocks means less damage taken
sweet summit
i only have 2.5k haste :(
strong forum
and just slap
still pagoda
I only have 2k haste on my warr :((
wheat plume
would vita be better then?
sweet summit
VITA BIS
still pagoda
VITA BIS
chilly brook
And you'll end up mitigating more damage from extra shield blocks than the tiny % of vers would net you
strong forum
vita is arguably the best trinket in the game
sweet summit
the dream
chilly brook
VITA IS GIGA
wheat plume
coz i have vita i just see all the tanks running wings
wheat plume
at high keys
chilly brook
I mean why not run both
wheat plume
nzoth trinket is insane defensive on 1 min cd
chilly brook
Tell your healer to wake up
And don't not use your buttons
The only time I've ever broken out LPS is on M Vex as add tank because healers can be lazy
wheat plume
so vita / wings or vita / nzoth?
chilly brook
Wings and Vita for sure
The amount of extra shield blocks that gives
Is insane
Like heres the thing
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
LPS is like what 200k absorb at heroic or something like that?
sweet summit
ye
ripe helm
223
chilly brook
One shield block can go well over that
In terms of damage mitigated
The one area where LPS becomes extremely valuable is when magic damage is constant
Which in keys it really isn't all that prevalent
Most of the damage in keys is physical and blockable
ionic fern
I like LPS in dungeons, don't at me.
warm plinth
I like you
strong forum
i like you, you can live
wheat plume
@chilly brook im also doing mythic prog is stacking haste still go to or vers? i feel like vers would be better for that
we are on raden
chilly brook
vers isn't going to make a huge difference in raid unless you have a large amount
and on Raden you WANT to take damage
wheat plume
so if im not stacking vers whats a good %?
south holly
m+ corruption - stack expedient?
south holly
word
wheat plume
haste > verse> crit then?
chilly brook
in raid yes
still pagoda
i have exactly 15% verse on my warr
And that's just because i don't have much haste/crit gear
gusty bear
Krakens str or haste gem?
gusty bear
over leviathan too?
still pagoda
Yes
sweet summit
str gem is not wrong defensively
but with corruptions, strength lose value compared to haste/crit/vers
since they all increase TD damage, where as str does not
cursive hedge
can someone link me a really good ignore pain tracker?
cursive hedge
so help me understand ignore pain. if i press the button twice in a row, i can actually get additional health block?
warm plinth
It caps at 1.3x a single cast
So for example, if one press of Ignore Pain gives you a 100k Ignore Pain, then the absorb caps at 130k (100k * 1.3 = 130k)
cursive hedge
so i would want to wait until im down around 30k block left before pressing it again
warm plinth
Yes and no
sweet summit
nah, you dont have to minmax IP
just use it when you need to spend rage
and youre fine
sweet summit
same
warm plinth
Yeah you really don't want to think too hard about it. Keep Shield Block up as much as possible, cast IP to prevent capping rage
sweet summit
well, i do pay attention to it on the cursed mobs/bosses
cursive hedge
so i had survivability issues in a +16 the other day, and my guild looked at my logs and said i wasn't pressing IP as much as top ranked prot warriors
is that because the top ranked warriors have an extra 1k haste on me?
so they just naturally have way more rage?
ionic fern
Just link the logs here and maybe someone can have a look. I'm on a phone so i'll pass.
warm plinth
If you were having survivability issues, it's not because you didn't press Ignore Pain enough (provided you're not just dumping all your rage into Revenge instead of IP)
warm plinth
Like you have so many devastates
And so few of everything else
You cast Ignore Pain 10 times in an entire dungeon
That's bad
You used Avatar and Demo shout FOUR TIMES
grand drum
5 casts of last stand
ionic fern
warm plinth
So yeah, your survivability issue is fundamental gameplay issues
ionic fern
You also wasted rage.
warm plinth
Cast Avatar and Demo Shout on CD as long as you're fighting things
Keep Shield Block up as much as possible; fill gaps with Last Stand (Bolster talent).
Cast Ignore Pain to dump rage; use Revenge only when it's free (when it's glowing)
Don't use Devastate unless there's no other attacks to press
cursive hedge
so i do only use devastate when there's nothing else to press
sweet summit
yeah
cursive hedge
should my shield bash be resetting more?
ionic fern
?
warm plinth
Shield Slam reset is RNG
cursive hedge
*shield slam
warm plinth
Thunder Clap and Revenge also have a chance to reset Shield Slam. It's not just Devastate.
Devastate is just a filler when there's nothing else to do
cursive hedge
is there a way to see my shield block uptime during combat?
deep cape
Details
warm plinth
Shield Block uptime is not a very good metric to look at.
You can have Shield Block up 40% of the time but if you weren't getting hit for that 40%, it's still wasted Shield Block
cursive hedge
so the metric you linked of regular hits vs blocked hits, im using shield block when things arent auto attacking me
warm plinth
If you're using Avatar on CD like you're supposed to, you won't feel like Devastate is all you have to press, because you'll be Thunder clapping every other GCD
cursive hedge
and then it's down for when things are auto attacking me
warm plinth
Correct
Or it could be you're using Shield Block properly. Your Last Stand usage is very low; that's your backup for when you just don't have Shield Block to press
So if you're using Shield Block properly but never using Last Stand, then you're still going to have a shit % of blocked hits
cursive hedge
right, i think ive been using it wrong. ive been using it as an oh shit button when im like 5% health
warm plinth
Yeah that's exactly the wrong way to use it
ionic fern
This is my ToS casts..it was roughly 1m shorter than yours.
Smh,i was scrolled up
Stupid phone
warm plinth
The fact that you're never using Avatar is probably a big reason you feel the need to press Devastate so much
Like, look at this
Compared to this
The top is during Avatar
The bottom is outside of Avatar
cursive hedge
right. so if my avatar uptime was much higher, i'd have many more thunder claps which reset shield slam, so also more slams
warm plinth
More thunder claps, more rage, more shield slams, more Bastion of Might uptime (which also heavily contributes to survivability)
warm plinth
Right you're basically wasting 3 azerite traits by not using Avatar
cursive hedge
do you have a recommendation on how to track my health/rage better?
i want to have my health bar and my target's health bar more in the middle of my screen like a lot of people do. im just not sure the best way to do that
warm plinth
Well tbh your health is not something you should have to stare at as a prot warrior. Like if you're tracking your necrotic stacks (preferably by a weakaura), then when you start to hit the 20 mark, your health becomes more important. But in general we don't take a huge amount of damage to begin with.
For rage, I use a rage bar WA that changes to like a bright yellow/green color when I get high on rage so that I know I need to dump some with IP
still pagoda
^
cursive hedge
did you get that from wago?
warm plinth
I got the rage bar from wago and then edited it a bit because I'm colorblind and the default colors were hard for me to see
still pagoda
sick sentinel
See you guys never I am a vdh now
cursive hedge
awesome, thanks for all the help guys! I'm gonna overhaul my UI tonight
still pagoda
cursive hedge
could anyone post me a screenshot of your UIs while tanking if you have them?
id be curious to see what other people do
sweet summit
same
sweet summit
afenar owns
still pagoda
FINALLY
full 5 mask
the only thing i forgot is to turn in 9 crystals i collected
And haste crit gloves with leech and verse proc
still pagoda
VoP major is the best for M+
and don't stack verse
not that good
if you don't do very high keys
sturdy dome
It's good if u suck
sturdy dome
mhmm lemme buy yo prot warr youtube tutorial
17 is a prety high prot warr key for me
still pagoda
17's is literally the place where i dwell by now
i don't see them anywhere hard for me and my gear by now
sturdy dome
Eh i dps main so I just pew pew pew sometimes i forget the mitigate
it's all good thats where the vers proc comes in handy
xd
sturdy dome
idk how to use it yet
still pagoda
sphere minor
it just slows mobs enough for you to kite
and gives 390 haste(at 90lvl neck) at 100% uptime
trail dome
Haven't played it really to make my own UI
still pagoda
what is the addon for marks that you have above?
still pagoda
i can remove pull timer macros now
2 more shift-button spaces free
Won't do this tho since i like just clicking shift-4 and going ham
trail dome
i still have /pull2 bound to altx
still pagoda
/pull 5 on shift-4 in my case
fresh current
As a protection warrior what essences should I be running? I have vision of perfect rank 3 as my major
still pagoda
look at the screenshot above
just the most basic setup ever
VoP major
Lucid, CnS and Sphere minors
you can easily swap out Lucid or Sphere for Warden/Formless if you need more resistance
or switch them over for null for KR, ML, tyr ToS and WCM
gonna drop this again :^)
rigid sinew
or switch them over for null for KR, ML, tyr ToS and WCM
still pagoda
Sphere minor can be run at r1 all the time
r2 just adds another 2 seconds of duration and r3 adds NOTHING
and major itself is niche and mech when compared to VoP
trail dome
oh i have them all
this is just an alt and am i fuck spending echoes on more essences
gotta save for TD
red fern
CnS is a mess to get...
red fern
Well i have the conquest cap now
still pagoda
WLD and Turbo Cleave especially
red fern
Can i get rank 2 before reser?
still pagoda
no
trail dome
gotta get the african turtle cleave going
still pagoda
ah
and if you will be doing it as arms
don't forget to mog the best sword in the game 
strong forum
It's not half bad yea
cosmic canyon
What are some stellar transmogs for one handers btw?
still pagoda
mage tower challenge flail
but technically. Hammer and sword from BRF, Uldir 1H sword, Jaina rapier and other cool options
just seen nearly flawless Kot'Mogu victory from ally side
worthy karma
so are people actually thinking ineffable truth is worth investing in now?
still pagoda
sick sentinel
It's a good filler
vers % is also a good filler if almost every single piece you have is vers too
and expedient
what's this whole thing about the echoes now
I took a week break
what happened
worthy karma
Yea IT2 is extra trash. But why would you use corruption budget on IT when you can use on anything else lol.
Unless it's all you have
worthy karma
But like with the vendor why would you waste on IT
sick sentinel
IT is one of your best Fillers if you already have TD
worthy karma
Gushing wounds is better untill the nerf
sick sentinel
IT is better all around
maybe in lower keys where you want damage
rather than vers% or IT
but IT IS better
sick sentinel
Definitely not
rotund cradle
Is 15% verse too low?
still pagoda
too high
sick sentinel
vers % doesn't matter, ilvl
still pagoda
grand drum
Too high
still pagoda
vers % doesn't matter, ilvl [2]
rotund cradle
i bought 2 rank 1 IT and trying to decide if I should sell it and buy r3 verse
rotund cradle
unkempt palm
verse rank 3 a good one to pick one up of? getting this prot war alt up
cursive hedge
@unkempt palm I've been told that TD is the only prot warrior corruption that matters
sour silo
Ye it is good corrupt if u plannin doing higher keys :)
sick sentinel
Versatile 3 or surging rank 3?
if it's vers 3 it's pretty good
but rank 1 IT will be better
TD is the main corruption you want hto
unkempt palm
its the current vers rank 3
ok i picked one up and plan on banking til Td comes out, thanks al
all*
still pagoda
more HoD - more profit
sick sentinel
HoD isn't as good as you guys think tho 🤔
MS/WS better
I'm talking about losing OP and impassive
as those are huge
strong forum
Bom / ws / op/ IV shoulders when
real fossil
In m+, I’m not sure what essences to run. Right now I’m doing like vision major with strength, c&s, and nullification and don’t feel a reason to change. Maybe take c&s off for the other verse one for fortified weeks. Is that normal?
sick sentinel
what is that icon
sour silo
VoP major
sick sentinel
@real fossil your build is good for 99% of content
Wait
I lied
Don’t use null in m+
Use something like lucid or sphere instead
still pagoda
KR and dumb pugs in lower keys: Exist
warm plinth
Probably how much you'd overcap if you cast it again? That's my best guess.
But as mentioned earlier, you really don't want to think too hard about whether to press IP or not
Overcapping rage is way worse than overcapping IP
left hatch
yeh that WA piece shows if you're gonna overcap IP
any red and some part is gonna be wasted
cursive hedge
ok yeah, just tested it, that's exactly what it's saying
real fossil
VoP major is dank until you get into like 20+ keys and until then you’re kidding yourself if you think a different major is better 💣
still pagoda
^
And even in those keys VoP is a really competitive option catering more towards pug runs
left hatch
also swapping aegis in for CnS is almost never the play as a minor
even on teeming / fort weeks
SO much of the key is spent on bosses, or even just on cleave pulls where there arn't 6 targets
sick sentinel
Using lucid major or CnS major is 90% of the time an MDI fanboy move. There are uses for it for sure and it is good in niche situations but VoP is a universally better option
left hatch
that you have to go outta your way to make it worth it (including like pulling mobs INTO boss fights to maintain 6 targets in combat)
still pagoda
The only MDI esque thing i use is snapping
left hatch
sphere, lucid and CnS are all universally better without extra thought
real fossil
Bless up
left hatch
CnS + lucid is most ppls go to with a resistance minor
(formless void is great if your healer uses CoF otherwise Str is the play)
still pagoda
I just use sphere, formless or null in the third slot depending on the key i do
Sphere is just a great choice for this week
Lets you slow down necrotic ramp up a bit and get more haste with 100% uptime
sour silo
So rooting adds while its necrotic is MDI fanboy move
sick sentinel
Yes
still pagoda
It is
sick sentinel
Yes it is
still pagoda
CnS major is niche
sick sentinel
Because that’s not the reason they use CnS major
still pagoda
Prot already has enough tools to deal with necrotic
sick sentinel
You have heroic leap and take very low damage relative to other tanks so necrotic should not be an issue
sour silo
So ppl in higher keys are using it because they are MDI fanboys
sick sentinel
No
But you should understand it before you spew off that it is better
It isn’t the root
still pagoda
Leap, shockwave, already insane mitigation that lets you ignore stacks up to 60+
Sphere of Suppression minor is great for this too
sour silo
U can root em plus u have more vers
sick sentinel
Root is irrelevant
still pagoda
And it isn't inting as much as useless root
Main benefit of CnS major is doubling of verse
sour silo
So what essence would u go for 22/23
sick sentinel
VoP
sour silo
Hehe
sick sentinel
Lucid in SOME situations
left hatch
Are you comfortable making giant pulls every 2 mins?
that you need 40s of avatar to live through?
still pagoda
Sometimes i get back to back avatars without lucid
Under all haste procs and heroism
left hatch
sometimes
still pagoda
sick sentinel
Lucid is consistent back to back avatar which is what makes it good
still pagoda
Next week is definitely the push week
sick sentinel
Push week was last week
late panther
lucid is not only about avatar tho
sick sentinel
Teeming is ass
left hatch
and yeh top of the world dudes are running CnS major this week, but the important diff is they've been spamming low 20 keys and MASS pulling
which idk about you, but i don't mdi pull 20's
i aint dat gud
left hatch
the IP spamming other 1/2 of lucid is less of a factor on necro week unfortunately
sour silo
U get back to back every CD tho
left hatch
despite back to back on (shouldn't be every avatar if you're actually popping avatar on cd... in practice avatar has at best a 40s cd with just VoP minor) every 2 mins
you have better overall avatar uptime with VoP major
Lucid is all about the control and consistency of the unbroken proc of it
in omega spicy pulls
late panther
you dont get full bastion value with a VoP prock tho
which makes avatar your best cd ingame for blockable dmg
but u do with ludcid
lucid *
still pagoda
Push week was last week
@sick sentinel
It was my most successful week after i've returned to the game. Dunno, but i've got from 1400 to 2000 rio in those 2 weeks. Not much, but going to git gud as time goes on
sick sentinel
Next week isn’t terrible
But teeming Fs up% and makes my brain swell when planning routes
late panther
i'd play lucid even in 18 keys or w/e with pugs
sweet summit
i just dont wanna do atal next week
late panther
cuz u have the control, if u play vop major u're not in control
but thats just me, yeah u'll hve a bit more avatar uptime with vop
but it can also be uselesss uptime
still pagoda
Well, will probably just spend 1-2 hours planning routes on Wednesday after reset
left hatch
thats true
idk just not used to making very spicy pulls
that iv never felt Lucid being necesary
still pagoda
Me neither
late panther
its not about spicy pulls
still pagoda
But again, i'm a mid key bracket dweller
late panther
lucid is just control, u control your own hp during ludcid with IP spam
even in a lower key the healer has more freedom which is always good
sick sentinel
More freedom
late panther
and even on ST lucid is completely broken compared to vision
late panther
well in the end your job as a tank is to make the life easier for the rest of the grp
even tho they're dh brains sometimes
still pagoda
Seen too much dh brains this week
inland silo
sick sentinel
Vision is way over rated lol
left hatch
eh i think its also that VoP is braindead
sick sentinel
lucid is pretty brain dead also
left hatch
Lucid you have to have some prep
still pagoda
Tyrannical just makes this week so fucked up with pugs. Seen people die to Cragmaw charges, TD 3rd boss cleaves and axes on KR council
And yea, i agree that VoP is totally braindead
left hatch
in a wolrd where ppl don't even hit TC or SS on cd
still pagoda
Just a proc
left hatch
youd be amazed
still pagoda
Maybe will try lucid tomorrow
late panther
i dont think you should ever play vision if you're a player who's striving to get better
still pagoda
Just run through few 17's or maybe finally 18's
Dying to what axes on KR council lol
@warm plinth
To spinning ones
late panther
would only recommend it to ppl who's new on warrior and don't rly know the stuff
still pagoda
warm plinth
Ah okay
sick sentinel
You can use lucid on any size of pull is the thing but the general feeling is that telling most players to press an extra button optimally while they can barely press their own buttons is tough to justify
still pagoda
But yeah
I've seen healers not healing out targeted bleed
i dont think you should ever play vision if you're a player who's striving to get better
@late panther
Well, i really need to try running lucid now
Next week is ideal for big pulls IMO
sick sentinel
You have to to make up time in teeming
But you should be pulling as big as you can anyway
still pagoda
Though i will probably scare pugs to shit again
still pagoda
Not gonna do this untill i move over to horde completely. My warrior is stuck on ally due to quarantine measures and nearly all of my money being in cash
simple rune
Enlighten me
fossil sparrow
not yours, the VoP is bad one
chilly brook
@late panther sorry but no, having new players use lucid is a disaster
VoP is not nearly as difficult to use properly as you make it out to be since it's literally your basic rotation anyways
And you're already in control as a prot warrior of your own survival, Lucid doesn't make you have any more control outside of huge pulls where it actually mathematically is necessary
simple rune
could anyone post me a screenshot of your UIs while tanking if you have them?
@cursive hedge
Ft @late panther ui
late panther
@chilly brook isnt that exactly what i said, if u're new to warrior go play vop
and if you believe that lucid doesnt give you more control in low keys you're just playing it wrong
chilly brook
Any "extra" control you gain in low keys is outweighed by your already insane defensive toolkit....
late panther
that makes absolutely 0 sense
so tell me how in low keys random avatar procs that doesn't benefit from full BoM power outweighs an essence that makes you selfsustainable for 15 seconds, even on single target, gives you more Demo shouts, more last stands & more walls, and close to the same avatar uptime.
chilly brook
Because in low keys you don't need to be self sustained
late panther
why not?
chilly brook
That's the whole point in regards to prot warriors mitigations and CDs
Because you barely take any damage to begin with in low keys
late panther
cuz u're expecting a healer to heal you, when he could be doing smth else instead?
not to mention u prolly do more overall dmg with lucid major due to more last stand uptime now that TD is such a big part of our dmg
chilly brook
It's not like he has to spend every global healing you to begin with,,,,
Assuming you have TD and also somehow game every cast of LS with TD
late panther
but theres still globals that could have been used for something else over healing a warrior cuz he wants to run VoP
im sorry but i dont see how VoP outshines lucid at any moment, in any key, at any key level
its just like settling with average
chilly brook
if one global fucks your healer over you're doing something wrong in the first place
And go ahead do the math then show me how lucid is so much better in low keys
might as well start stacking leech too while you're at it so your healer doesn't have to do anything
late panther
ofcourse
cuz why wouldnt you
but it feels kinda pointless to argue with you when you're missing the main point
chilly brook
I just asked for you to show me
late panther
im not gna do some math for you at 3.30 in the morning im sure u understand that aswell
better question, what's the goal for you as a tank in a dungeon or raid?
chilly brook
Why not you're the one asserting something that has gone against the general consensus around here since essences released and you're not going to accept the burden of proof?
That's a multifaceted question
- don't die
- do mechanics
- pump as much as possible
- is satisfied to a very very accommodating degree to your healers without any extra self sustain
late panther
there's the issue right there
u dont know the difference between an average tank and a good tank
your main goal is to relief pressure and make it easier for the rest of your group
which is a bunch of things like positioning / pathing / movement / pullsize and yeah just like you said, not dying and "pump as much as possible"
chilly brook
Like I said it's a multifaceted question.....
late panther
no, its a simple answer
you're there to make it easy for the rest of your group
so why wouldnt you lpay an essence that does exactly that?
chilly brook
And again....if it really does that so much better, show me the proof.
late panther
i think if you're looking at any good warrior they'll all play lucid for just that reason
i dont need lucid for myself in a bunch of keys, i could play strength of the warden major to "pump as much as possible"
but its not my role
chilly brook
There are plenty of "good" warriors in here that don't play lucid major outside of certain key levels
late panther
do you see any warrior in mdi run vision?
anyone in high keys run vision?
like i said, if u settle with average, go with vop
if you settle to become better, play lucid
quick locust
i thought lucid was only good for higher keys
chilly brook
So now we're back to the places where we've said lucid is valuable
quick locust
is it good in lower too?
chilly brook
MDI type pulls or high keys
quick locust
ah fair
final mist
Can we talk about more important things
chilly brook
And in high keys most aren't even running lucid atm
final mist
Like who Method’s tanks are next expac
quick locust
limits*
final mist
Limit dead tbh method has all the good tanks
quick locust
marok new limit tank
final mist
And sco
fierce juniper
quick locust
fierce juniper
fierce juniper
Hey, you know what I think?
I think we should all just be friends and live happily ever after.
sick sentinel
Thanks private adam
fierce juniper
no problem
quick locust
i'd post a dank wholesome emote
final mist
The real tanks were the friends we made along the way
quick locust
IF IT WAS ENABLED
sick sentinel
Keep fighting the good fight soldier
main vault
Hi Marok!
fierce juniper
ello
fierce juniper
very true
sick sentinel
final mist
I came here to have a good time and honestly I’m feeling so sad rn
fierce juniper
Justice for Soulg
quick locust
nobody invites me to anything
fierce juniper
OG Stormforged of Skyhold
quick locust
nobody cares
final mist
@quick locust wanna come do M+
quick locust
cant im raiding
quick locust
it really do be like that
final mist
quick locust
we're on raden
fierce juniper
is wow good yet
quick locust
its uh
final mist
We’re on nzoth
quick locust
"fun"
final mist
WoW was never good
fierce juniper
damn
final mist
Marok come raid on FFXIV with me
fierce juniper
FF LUL
jolly trout
I've almost installed FF like 10 times the last 3 weeks lol
maybe I'll pull the trigger soon
main vault
Im fighting it so hard
main vault
What class
final mist
Tank / healer
jolly trout
I was kinda leaning toward Dragoon or Monk if I did play, but I really know basically nothing about the game lol
main vault
I play Bard/Black Mage/Red Mage
quick locust
the game really isnt bad to learn
main vault
Tanking is fun though
quick locust
but coming from lvl 1 to raiding if you dont want to pay extra stuff will take ages
fuckin story
final mist
Just skip it :4head:
final mist
It’ll be better in 5.3 when they finally remove all that shit
Also flying in old zones poggers
jolly trout
when is that coming out
fierce juniper
hello please take this discussion to #FFXIV
main vault
make it
final mist
He’s got no power here
turbid robinBOT
Done.
main vault
fierce juniper
main vault
man this is making me want to play tho
final mist
THIS IS ABUSE
warm plinth
Hi Sal
mortal brook
but if you're actually playing the game, how will you spare the time to hang out in the game's discords
final mist
No one actually plays FF, they log in and sit in Limsa while dancing with sick glamours
main vault
singular
final mist
Like I am rn
final mist
The best part of FF is that they added 2B’s ass to the game and let you use it
No meme
Literal cake 👏👏
main vault
What class is your other tank?
final mist
I am DRK / WAR
final mist
Haven’t played it
main vault
Last I played was Sigma Savage
raven ore
$mute @fierce juniper
turbid robinBOT
Permission denied.
raven ore
wtf
fierce juniper
fool
raven ore
this is homophobic
main vault
final mist
warm plinth
final mist
ghash why were you arguing withmethod's new main tank naowh earlier
oh wait no that was griff
warm plinth
Yeah I was here, but I didn't argue with him
He makes good points, but the fact of the matter is, most of the people coming in here for help have fundamental problems that aren't going to be solved by having them use yet another thing they won't be comfortable using.
So I'll still be recommending vision major to 99% of the people who come in here
sick sentinel
Tf are you talking about I am methods new tank
warm plinth
😬
grand drum
imagine going from a world first to a world second guild
sick sentinel
This is the first I’ve heard of method choosing a tank
They must have forgotten to call me
Better reach out
chilly brook
@final mist because 99% of the time outside of specific use cases or high keys Lucid is going to be a waste. Not everyone is an MDI tank doing MDI pulls
undone sun
👀
sick sentinel
Hey thyme
chilly brook
It's not that lucid doesn't have a place but asserting that it's the play for all key levels is kinda inting tbh
fierce juniper
Hey thyme
late panther
tell me how you waste a lucid, i've yet to see that happen
what @warm plinth is true aswell, i dont read this discord very often, and just like i said vop is the play if you're new to tanking cuz then you have other stuff to focus on. but stating that lucid is only good if its high keys or mdi pulls is just really weird, then you don't even know why you're playing it
placid oar
Morning all
chilly brook
that's a wild assumption
final mist
most people are bad and terrible tbh