looks easy enough tho
#protection
sick sentinel
strong forum
@sick sentinel yes we cant live without it
red fern
fucking cns farming
worthy spire
any yeppers
sick sentinel
this is a really good week for push key i think
ornate urchin
Hey y'all, anyone got some tips to soloing visions as prot warr?
Essences to run, talents etc.
mortal brook
cof major. cns formless w/e for minors
use consumables. scrolls, kbab
drums
talents are the usual for either m+ or raid
still pagoda
need more keys
strong forum
big gamer
still pagoda
"big"
worthy spire
Draenei 
worthy spire
Not even horde
strong forum
a true soldier
still pagoda
Draenei 
mortal brook
good job
still pagoda
Not even horde
@worthy spire
I'm moving over to horde rn
still pagoda
holding warr on ally 'cause i can't transfer rn
chrome palm
have they said anything about their plans for that?
chrome palm
titanforged podcast was saying it is 80% horde now
chrome palm
idk where they got those data
but if true, that's so bad
maybe make everything x-faction?
strong forum
everybody expected it for SL
chrome palm
otherwise they'd just have to like buff racials maybe?
strong forum
but they are still holding onto it
chrome palm
those are like the only two obvious solutions i think...
maybe some other alliance buff?
something clever
still pagoda
i was amazed by the amount of players on horde in last 3 days that i was playing my new monk on Kazzak-EU
cross-faction is really the only solution at that point
worthy spire
Come horde
still pagoda
buff to racials will change the dynamic, but only slightly
worthy spire
better faction
still pagoda
stoneform is not that good
meld is literally MDI only abuse
draenei heal is good, but doesn't have much usages
chrome palm
vulpera racial is 10% of my healing
just did 2.08M healing in KR
that's a pretty nuts racial
the only downside is the shame of being a vulpera
tame garden
rocky linden
Is Strength worth using even if I don't need the corruption buff? Or is this a good one to switch for Sphere this week?
waxen cradle
Are you guys saving up for Azerite pieces at this point or random rolling because I have been random rolling and RNG giving me the Abyssal Helm has shit on me many times lately
upper nest
anyone knows if r2 ineffable is worth than r1? i have other corruptions to fill in instead and im kinda clueless 😄
worthy spire
rank 1 IT is more efficient cus its 30% for 12 corruption, where rank 2 i think is 50% for 30 corruption
upper nest
ye but i saw some streamers playing with rank 2 and i had no clue why, because the reason you mentioned it does sound more efficient
worthy spire
Probably because they had no other choice
worthy spire
Maybe they didnt have enough echoes to buy enough rank 1s so they just put on a rank 2 or so
left hatch
theres a few gimmkicky uses for it, like cheesing and hoping rng will make it so SR is up for every Rixxa and Lord WC SR
but unless you're doing giga-high keys the benefit of doing that is dubious at best
and is still rng
if itll proc when you need it
and even then itd be more valuable to stack 2 IT1's
so i think angelo is right about it being the only IT they had access to
sick sentinel
Did the wall get ya
still pagoda
only one wall pull tho
still pagoda
it would have been timed if not for the dumb rogue who died on 3rd boss right away
sick sentinel
Where’s the brez
3rd boss cleave in TD?
The big frontal
The healer deleter
ooohh
yeah... that hurts
50 stacks of tree dude in WM 13 hurts too
warm plinth
Imagine standing in cinderflame...
sick sentinel
i brought some shaman to TD 10 long time ago when 10 was cap,
lusted when we had 30% hp on 3rd boss
Why was i tagges
Tagged @strong forum
last mason
Searing flames is garbage right
Should I just purge it before reset or is it worth holding onto just in case
pastel sleet
are any bitband combos worth?
strong forum
@sick sentinel cuz you tagged me
still pagoda
what a week
20 rio away from 2k
gonna bump it up tomorrow evening
both runs were close calls
cerulean tusk
Is searing flames worth more than r1 TD? Sims say yes, but it performs so poorly during dungons that I ask here for some of your guys experiences with it.
still pagoda
it really isn't
cerulean tusk
Yeah, time to bring the sword to the washer and put on some dirty boots instead
wicked orchid
Should I use null for Underrot?
warm plinth
No
You shouldn't use Null for any dungeon really
A case could be made for a couple of them but Underrot isn't one of them
neat crow
just got myself a gleaming eye whilst farming AD, how does the trinket hold up for us? Other trinkets i have are a fang, howler, platinum plating (kinda dead). think i replace the howler with a gleaming eye even though the ilvl is 5 higher on the howler.
chrome palm
i feel like the KS master mount should be more unique
it's harder to get than all the other worms
neat crow
also another question, where's the spot for us to heroic leap on the snap spots at AD bridge? i was testing it out and couldn't find the actual spot, just kept saying "no path available"
neat crow
i know you don't, but i saw nao pull it off and idk how he managed it LOL
sick sentinel
When did i tag
neat crow
the closest i can get is the healer in my m+ team being finnish
neat crow
good thing he's rolling a rogue so he can tricks them all to me 👀
sonic rock
Hey! Sorry to annoy y'all but today i had a heated argument over the BiS weapon for prot with one of my guildies and wanted to check here since y'all played more prot than we both did for sure, is Faralos better than TD item on another slot + any dungeon weapon?
strong forum
Faralos weapon is very mediocre at best
the BiS weapon is Carapace Mythic because of its higher ilvl
but any 475 weapon with haste will pretty much do aswell
the corruption on faralos is in over 90% of the cases a cleanse
last mason
Why is it very mediocre? Haste vers is pretty solid
Compared to equal ilvl I mean
Obvi cara will beat it
pure holly
Faralos is 475 with haste. There is not better option hère (cleanse of course)
strong forum
im talking the corruption being mediocre
last mason
Oh yea
mortal brook
Corruption is the poop compared to td yes
pastel tapir
Do we just stack TD or can i use the stats corruption from the other speccs?
strong forum
stack TD, use stats/ineffable truth as filler
mortal brook
And likely many 475 weapons outsim faralos by itself, depending on current gear. ST hacker and splitter would pull ahead, vex weapon prob pulls ahead on multi, certainly carapace at 485
strong forum
4885 :pog:
pastel tapir
thanks
lofty widget
when you say IT/expedient as filler is there one of the two that pulls ahead?
lofty widget
since both 12 % haste and IT1 is available i wasnt sure which one to get
lofty widget
amazing, thanks!
winter frigate
At corruption cap what will be best for prot just tds and IT?
radiant panther
I wanna jump in and ask why one would argue falaros corrupt is so significantly better than a TD1? It is only 1% less than TD1 and it has a consistency to proc vs TD where there could be large gaps. It could also possibly stack with a TD Proc
strong forum
cuz it takes 30 globals for faralos to proc
and you can waste it not hitting enough targets
winter frigate
Already got td 4 so i should pick up it and exped probs?
strong forum
ye
mortal brook
Building at 1 stack a global will never beat tds rppm
radiant panther
But TD has just as much of an aiming issue for hitting mobs
lofty widget
on another note, how noticable is it to play above 40 corruption as prot?
mortal brook
Face the enemy then. And td travels further
strong forum
if you dont believe me just play it
mortal brook
Lots of ways to deal with Thing as prot
strong forum
and see how poorly it performs
if you dont actively focus on making it proc in aoe, you will hardly deal more than 3k dps with it
radiant panther
I'm just curious and asking. I dont have enough TD1s to worry about it yet
winter frigate
108 leech is prob worth running crit haste instead of haste vers boots i assume?
same ilvl on both
mortal brook
Not like crit is a bad stat
winter frigate
So crit haste for high keys too? Haven't really pushed on warrior curious
winter frigate
Interesting thanks for help
pure holly
Haste Crit > Haste Vers but Crit Haste > Haste Vers i do not think so
strong forum
<.<
are you seriously making a difference there
all that matters is what is on the piece, not which is the "bigger" stat
pure holly
It can make a difference no?
On piece with big unbalanced stat?
muted forge
Quick question, am I washing rage by having IP up most of the time?
muted forge
For easy encounters I've been doing Revenge instead when don't need defense
strong forum
whatever allows you to avoid capping rage
and without not using TC / SS
always keep TC and SS on cd
muted forge
Yeah
strong forum
spam rage into IP, if TC and SS are on CD you can use revenge to dump a bit of rage, but its not often that you can do that
Clema, obv youre gonna pick a 140 haste 100 crit piece over a 140 crit 100 haste piece
muted forge
Thanks for that man sorry for interrupting
strong forum
but the chance of having that choice is relatively slim, also i wasnt emphasizing crit haste, literally just an order i typed it
without much meaning behind it which is the dominant stat on said piece
stats prio is obv ilvl > haste >crit > vers for m+
sonic rock
Any dungeon alternatives on trinkets? I only find atal dazar's one decent
pure holly
But what about 140 haste 100 vers VS 140 Crit 100 haste?
I ask or because i have these type of cases in my inventory
strong forum
rezan and block from wcm
id run crit haste over haste vers
unless youre dying whilst playing perfectly
which shouldnt happen until 24+
and even then theres ways to play to avoid dying
without blaming gear
pure holly
Ok i will do an inventory check thanks
lean arch
i only have r3 TD, what would be best to fill with for m+ between surging vit/versatile/expedient
strong forum
expedient
stat corruptions itself only start working when you actually have already 2k+ of said stat, stacking vers isnt a thing until you absolutely need it to live in very high keys
mortal brook
Or
strong forum
and we stack the shit out of haste anyway so expedient works perfectly
mortal brook
Save for td
lean arch
already have the others i mentioned
pallid tulip
It’s haste vers for tank stats wise
gloomy pilot
What's your guys opinion on Booming Voice vs. Devastator for M+s?
gloomy pilot
asked and answered, tyvm
sick sentinel
Heck off devastator
last mason
Does lfr work for cloak upgrade
lean arch
no
chrome palm
so do most people run CnS or Aegis? Or is it Cns and Aegis (and not nullification)
assuming you are using strength of the warden for corruption resistence
mortal brook
Cns always, aegis situationally
marble cipher
CnS, strength, lucid as minor
ocean acorn
depends on dungeon
marble cipher
At least that's what I run
ocean acorn
forless magic damage dungeons i run aegis and CnS
if its something like mother load i put on null
chrome palm
and you dont use strength?
ocean acorn
always u se strength
ocean acorn
i do lucid major
marble cipher
Major
ocean acorn
but this week im doing CnS major, strength, VoP, and lucid
marble cipher
Lucid major isn't worth it for 90% of the prot warriors running keys tbf
ocean acorn
that may be true im doin like 21s
marble cipher
Yeah, I'm not there, max 18 😜
ocean acorn
what level are u running pizza
ocean acorn
u can run Vop major if u are comfortable with dropping necrotic
marble cipher
CnS major is quite fun to play with this week though, not really needed in my key levels, but it's fun
chrome palm
yeah im just working on CnS right now and thinking about how i'll fit it in
well its good even for vers as a minor
marble cipher
CnS never leaves a slot normally
chrome palm
right
ocean acorn
Cns major is just really good this week
when im greedy il ldo vision major
but if im pugging id do cns cuz i dont expect my grp to help me drop stacks of necrotic
merry cave
sweet scaffold
CNS makes you get stacks slower if you use it properly
marble cipher
I don't think I need it either, just wanted to try it.
And tbf, it's too funny to see thing from Beyond just standing there at max melee range
sweet scaffold
less resets
sterile thicket
are any of the corruptions worth buying
woven kiln
Is Lingering Sporepods (465) better than Humming Black Dragonscale (460)? Gearing for survivability. Sporepods has more str but it's hard to rate the healing vs the haste proc of Dragonscale
marble cipher
No
ocean acorn
its a trap
last mason
Would you guys use a 465 block or 475 vial in m+
waxen cradle
Have a opinion question for you guys would you say a drop of 5 item levels meaning a 470 to a 465 is worth a increase in TDev damage from a 6% proc to a 12% proc ?
even though your losing 5 item levels meaning going from a 470 to a 465
mild river
I'd trade that. Sounds good for me. But I have no math to back me up here.
sick sentinel
So 465 = TD2
and
470 = TD1?
chilly brook
Tbh CnS major is a waste this week
warm ridge
How much IT1 should I be buying as prot? Is one enough? I have TD4
hallow phoenix
You can wear TD5 this week, if you dont have that last rank then expedient 3, IT1, and i guess a few other things are worth using as filler
prisma crane
im sad
died at 9% on raden
heroic
due to no heals on me
had 26 IS procs at that point
was PUMPING
hallow phoenix
oof
prisma crane
still a top 10 rank, but top ten dead that long is pain
glad mural
mortal brook
Not necessary
sick sentinel
What are the various corruption combos for Prot M+? I got okay TD, but w/e IT and Vers. Need to make an informed decision on whether I buy expedient for Arms, or an IT. I have a R1 Vers and an IT on some meh pieces.
mortal brook
vers if you're running 25s+ and need the vers to absolutely survive one shots. exped and IT are decent fillers between TDs in every other case
high nacelle
Is it Good to stack haste korruption?
sick sentinel
What's the hubba about running double IT
clever reef
het guys i just started to gear up a warrior since i wanted to see what the fuss is a bout but how is the optimal way to use your two rage spending defensives; shield block and ignore pain. which one has priority and how much am i expected to keep them up.
past berry
Shield block when you're expecting blockable damage, IP is a rage dump
If you're tanking raids and arent actively tanking use revenge to dump
clever reef
okay thanks
lean arch
do you still want to run TD in raid? or are stats better
mortal brook
TD
lean arch
any fights in particular to stay under 40?
im a 10/12 lock main that may be switching to tank
mortal brook
nzoth for sure
gettin slowed isnt great
the rest, go nuts
hoo boi, commence the swap from 'is expedient or ineff imba' to 'is vers% imba' convos \o/
lean arch
new bois
main vault
Why you posting that junk in here
warm plinth
Look at all those good corruptions
Oh right, no globals
But 7 corruptions looks promising, means it might be a month rotation instead of 4 1/2 weeks
unreal parrot
minor oyster
If i only got td r2 do i save up for td r3 or buy the damn versa
and farm shit out until next week
left hatch
save
left hatch
you can run TD5 and stay below 40
minor oyster
don't I need giga versa around 23-24s
left hatch
if you feeling spicy and don't mind TFB wait till expedient 3
no
you don't even think about verse really itll 24 bare minimum
and even then ppl arn't going whole hawg
minor oyster
just like 1 rank 3?
I'm considering jsut byugin one rank 3 vera to have something XD I need some corruption or my hearts gonna stop working XD
left hatch
no exact # and ppl run diff combos that high depending on comp, route etc
main vault
So many sheep gonna come in asking about buying vers
main vault
Cause "the top tanks use it"
left hatch
and dump the rest of your budget into TD
minor oyster
fair point I do shit dmg right now feels bad man no TD dream
left hatch
ig you could use your 'filler' for vers amp instead of haste amp
but its doubtful itll be better for where you're at
wet compass
nice thing about versa though is it's dual purpose
so you get it for prot and you use it for pvp as well for dps
left hatch
is prot pvp a thing tho?
main vault
is pvp a thing tho
left hatch
like... considering pvp wouldn't you rather have expedient
cause the dps wars use it in pvp
sick sentinel
So we buy all the siphoner we can get, right?
main vault
Oh man
left hatch
he trollin
main vault
I forgot about all the bis leech discussions this week
wet compass
not for prot pvp for dps pvp 😛 the only prot pvp you would ever do is stack as many TDs as possible and hope you one shot before corruption kills you
left hatch
ah gotchu
i thought they stacked severe and expedient
at least on arms
er
fury***
but yeh obv if prot is an offspec
you have more things to think about
maiden ravine
reeee
Blizzard would put both ITs back to back to prevent paladins and monks from farming them
main vault
Good thing neither of them is this discord then
maiden ravine
I can't bring myself to chain run m+ that much
unkempt bramble
What you guys think
rank 3 TD with 24% versa or rank 4 TD with 12% versa (corruptions always)
main vault
always more TD
mortal brook
TD
uncut field
do prot warriors want one IT?
warm plinth
1 IT isn't bad, but you want IT1, not IT2
mortal brook
what about. 5~6 TD
sick sentinel
Aight, I know this may seem weird, but I don't really think< I kinda just do, and I'm 4kio without a brain
so I'm pushing 23+ keys and don't know what to run for Corruption lol
Rank 3 TD is what I will always wear, but I have a choice between rank 6 Exp or rank 6 Vers
or rank 3 of both
what yall think
?
unkempt bramble
Since u about to push higher prob Vers
warm plinth
Well, thing with versatile is that if you have low vers, there's no point in increasing nothing by 12%
unkempt bramble
How much would u consider low @warm plinth
sick sentinel
I have 3k haste and 2k verse
warm plinth
Oh, then
nvm 🙂
Typically you'd want a surging vit afaik as well so you can get crazy high vers when it procs
hardy mesa
What can I do on Rixxa in ML to help mitigate the damage she does. I know all she does is magic damage and I was keeping IP up most of the time, but is there anything else that I can do?
woeful knot
what defensive can i use for searing breath on wrathion
vocal skiff
reflect and coordinating CDs with your healer. there's also the possibility of having dps with immunity soaking her chemical
otherwise, just pray
wet compass
I only got 1 rank 1 IT should have bought 2 😦
wet compass
Cheap corruption and way better than IT2 even if I didn't use it right away could have just banked it
chilly brook
Or you could just get more TD
wet compass
but more avatar is more fun than relying on rng the game 😦
last mason
Dam all the new enchants are trash
wet compass
versa?
full horizon
Can anyone tank a +13 waycrest manor?
left hatch
(helps if you post faction/region)
mortal brook
yeah, lots of people can tank 13 waycrest
maiden ravine
This week has been surprisingly easy
sick sentinel
Honestly i just stacked 2 x Expedient and 1 TD, have 28 corruption
nothing special but i don't die so quickly
later on will see
mortal brook
rage necro tyr is a pretty free combo
patent marten
d
maiden ravine
Well tyrannical is always dicey
But necrotic is a tank kite mechanic more than a healing one thankfully
mortal brook
but bosses dont rage and like, 3 actually stack necro. so not super affecting tyr which is nice
mortal brook
aye fair
maiden ravine
"teehee, didn't expect that to one shot me"
mortal brook
avoidant is up atm, they can stack that
sick sentinel
in all this long topic i just made a conclusion, " do what you feel better, because tanks point of view will always be different"
mortal brook
you did it!
placid oar
Gratz!!
ornate magnet
thanks boys!
hollow agate
does ineffible truth cd reduction include the gcd?
mortal brook
no, only cdr
hollow agate
ah gotcha
misty shoal
Is there any way to add spell reflect damage to details!?
misty shoal
Would putting 12% vers on all my gear be a bad idea?
onyx vessel
Dont need it
misty shoal
I bought a bunch of expedient for arms, but 69% haste feels a bit too much for prot
onyx vessel
Never too much
misty shoal
I just feel like im having a real rough time against magic damage, if kicks get missed its bad
and bleeds
chilly brook
If kicks get missed on any tank it's no bueno
chilly brook
@misty shoal the only time you start going for vers is when you start getting one shot despite perfect play
onyx vessel
We already take 0 dmg from phys so why do we need vers corruptions
chilly brook
aka high high high keys
misty shoal
What would you recomend on somthing like the third boss in ML
smoky wave
Spell reflect and cool down rotations seems to be the standard response
misty shoal
yeah I found out I can spell reflect her chemical burn, her autos just chunk though
spamming IP trying not to die
onyx vessel
Zone out respec to vers set
👍
Or cry when you run out of cds and your healer is oom
last loom
107k overall shrine pretty good
smoky wave
I roll with the second option
misty shoal
I pug most of my keys, and Idk if its just me but I find that a lot of healers dont expect the amount of damage from her autos
onyx vessel
That answered it
still pagoda
onyx vessel
He prob pulled the whole dungeon
onyx vessel
Above average xD
onyx vessel
Nah
I pull a pack
Mind you my dps players do like 50k overall
Obv ill pull more if the dps isnt shit but most of the time they are
ionic fern
Twilight Devastation.👍
urban briar
undone sun
no
orchid frigate
just a meme then?
left hatch
from what i understand they're doing it to replace equivilant ilvl without leech
with leech
orchid frigate
oof
left hatch
yeh
zenith monolith
Can someone please point me in the right direction. Trying to decide what the best corruption is for Prot for M+ and for M Raiding. Thought it was Twilight 4 + Versa 3 but now looks like some of the leading tanks use Ineff.
ionic fern
It's been TD4(5)+IT for a while now for the best "general" usage. 👀
ionic fern
🤔
tawny tusk
And here I am enchantig haste
ionic fern
The only people doing that are those who do higher (24+) keys where the sheer amount of damage intake is just getting too high.
You SHOULD be enchanting haste.
tawny tusk
There we go. I knew I wasnt stupid
tawny tusk
I want td on my prot 🤣
ionic fern
The whole Versa thing came into light only because some top r.io warriors/streamers are running those in their 25+ keys and then people are thinking it's the way to go for their +15 keys. 😒
exotic condor
Bois, noob question right here - on 13-17 keys, what essences am i using? 😦
zenith monolith
@ionic fern I am looking to push 19-20s now. Guess Haste still stands ?
orchid frigate
@ionic fern that mindset will soon spread i guess. suddenly people in sub 20 keys will get upset if you dont have it
ionic fern
Yes @zenith monolith
orchid frigate
gaah decisions... buy some IT today or hold in case TD shows up at vendor wednesday 😦
orchid frigate
hehe
tawny tusk
Delete social life and go
ionic fern
In general you can start looking towards Vers when you are just dying to the sheer amount of damage intake with proper play. As you go higher and higher into m+ the damage scales way up while our gearing options remain limited (ilvl 475 etcetc) so getting more survivability has to come from other places and Corruption has provided us such opportunities to stack Vers.
zenith monolith
@ionic fern should I go for any haste corruption or just TD and Ineff ?
brittle owl
vers amps are the go to only when you've exhausted every other posibility in terms of cd/trinket/essence optimization
orchid frigate
how many echoes from assaults, weekly chest + a coule of horrific visions roughly? (aka just playing the game without farming keys all in)
brittle owl
TD is such a big contributor to your dps you're gimping yourself if you start running anything else before you've exhausted every other option available to you
and really can't stress exhausted more
orchid frigate
hmm IT is good for arms as well, right?
ionic fern
Expedient/IT are both good @zenith monolith . Can't go wrong with either. IT R1 is just 12 corruption tho so it's a good filler.
fiery gyro
but for like, M+20ish, i was thinking on 1x IT1 + 4x TW & then fill with vers. Or would u guys recommend otherwise?
zenith monolith
Expedient/IT are both good @zenith monolith . Can't go wrong with either. IT R1 is just 12 corruption tho so it's a good filler.
@ionic fern Thanks again. Final question, what would you recommend on Weapon ? Quick nav or Force ?
fiery gyro
is it dumb to put IT on weapon? i have Mythic wrath weapon so i wont replace it anytime soon
fiery gyro
why would i want exp corruption in the first place? :p
onyx vessel
Hmmmmmm
More haste = more dmg
🤔
Id just go full exp on every peice see if i can get too much haste to hate life
ionic fern
@zenith monolith Force Multiplier.
orchid frigate
im gonna put TD on 1h + shield and try to combine on other pieces wha is good for OS
onyx vessel
Mwahi how much is too much haste
onyx vessel
Damnit
ionic fern
166% puts your SB at 6S CD iirc.
orchid frigate
hehe
zenith monolith
Does ineff truth stack ? is it worth having two, seems I can get two and still be below 40
strong forum
Yes
orchid frigate
and you want several r1 rather than r2, right?
strong forum
Yup
hexed imp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8JxmsUUm3U9Ddwrfpr7fkh im playing td3 in mm+ and 3x expedient 3 in raid
shall i change something
hoary belfry
Hey guys general m+ route question here:
Why do most people start with priestess in AD? I always start with rezan->volkaal->priestess->yazma. This way I can have lust for rezan, volkaal and yazma .
lofty widget
i think it comes down to whether it's tyranical or fortified, on fortified you usually wanna lust trash so you go left and take pillar to priestess instead of rezan
sweet surge
460 rank 1 td boe shield or 475 rank 1 is boe shield for m+? how much is that extra 15 ilvls worth
ionic fern
From DPS PoV take the r1 TD.
From tankiness PoV, take the 475.
In general you can just take the 475 and wait until TD pops up and you can buy it. 😉
sweet surge
ive got both but for tank set ive only got 2 rank 1 TD so ive been using the 460 for m+ and 475 for ST raids when im needed as tank
although im pretty new to warrior tanking so 475 might benefit me more
flint birch
@covert saffron hey, i notice you mentioned you had UI fuckery at low GCD. Did you have that in both open world and instance, and did modifying your spell queue window help your case?
tawdry dirge
What are best races for prot?
sweet summit
the ones that look the coolest
hexed imp
VULPE
sweet summit
ew
tawdry dirge
Human it is 😅
tawdry dirge
Iron or normal dwarf?
sweet summit
both
tawdry dirge
Ah coolz
I was thinking of a dwarf actually
Cause they are bulky too
Isnt it iron that get main stat on dispelling him self
Might be solid in m+
flint birch
female panda has the best charge/intercept animation, doesn't make a lot of noise, and is chonkly in armor. clear choice.
whatever you do don't pick draenei. even if you disable the sounds you'll subject other to them which im pretty sure causes a sanity debuff
flint birch
punch
still pagoda
Na dont want to be a 🐐
@tawdry dirge
Just play whatever is aesthetically pleasing to ya
I've been playing female draenei for years before creating female belf monk last week
sharp night
dorf and nelf are way stronger than vulpera and belf though 🤔
still pagoda
well. Meld is mostly applicable to coordinated skips and tyranical Rezan(for now. We don't know whether we will see similar bosses next addon), and both dorf racials are simply bigger detox with bigger CD(well. Bleed part of dark iron is pretty good IMO)
vulpera racial is really good according to few people here though
and belf... We all know that this meme started in Legion and will never end since mass purge is on par with AoE silence/interrupt that old version provided
sharp night
shadowmeld also drops combat which drops necrotic on any non-boss encounters
still pagoda
and aggro
sharp night
and regular stoneform also drops necro
still pagoda
Kill DH in one button
sharp night
it doesn't actually drop agro
it's a temporary fade
so you can stun, meld, and then clap
violet tundra
DI fireblood also drops necro
sharp night
and everything will be on you
still pagoda
DI fireblood also drops necro
Cause it drops bleeds
sharp night
yeah he mentioned DID dropping bleed
but not regular dorf
which was why i clarified
violet tundra
ah
sharp night
and stoneform is also 10% armor which is pretty huge defensively tbh
fireblood gives mainstat instead
still pagoda
But well, i'm definitely not returning to ally for the sake of dorf or nelf racials. Gonna transfer my warrior over to horde in next 2 weeks and forget that i've existed on Gordunni-EU for last 6 years
and honestly, racials still give pretty minor boost
sharp night
well yes, playerbase is much larger on horde
still pagoda
unless you're really going MDI level
still pagoda
plays ally on MDI only*
sharp night
they play horde on live because they also raid
still pagoda
and forgets ally exists for until next MDI cycle
sharp night
and raiding on alliance is meh
still pagoda
i couldn't find a raiding guild here on Gordunni-EU
still pagoda
which is a second biggest EU ally hub as of rn
sharp night
torrent right now is pretty much just used as resource gen on cd, or as a ST dispel most of the time
violet tundra
pretty sure ravencrest and silvermoon have that beat
slim reef
hey guys i know warrior is like top tier tank right now and ive been playing prot for years but for somereason i feel my dk is easier for 15+ keys than my war both are 470 ilvl. i feel like being able to heal myself for such huge amounts in high damage situations is what warrior is lacking or i could just be playing completely wrong
still pagoda
pretty sure ravencrest and silvermoon have that beat
It's Gordunni and Ravencrest that have most ally EU PvE
sharp night
unless it's constant magic damage then you should be taking far less damage on warr than dk
hexed imp
in raid, vop is best, right ?
still pagoda
CoF
hexed imp
i mean major
violet tundra
if you sort by ally pop Silvermoon is highest
still pagoda
you sort by pop and look at all the other stats since every other ally dominant server is irrelevant
silvermoon doesn't have as much in terms of raiding as Gordunni and Ravencrest
and even then raiding slowly dies here on Gordunni
i already see that finding good raiding guild is much easier on Kazzak horde then ally side of Gordunni
I shall stop here since this is not on topic of the channel
cedar sleet
Hey guys, what is the best corruption build for Nyalotha ?
should i stack expedient as much as i can
cedar sleet
thanks
pure holly
Got TD3 and buy Exp6 (waiting for TD2)
Feels good to have 65% haste no buff 😋
stiff oracle
😅
orchid frigate
im amped. bought 2xIT
wonder if i should buy more to have available
or save for TD
decisions....
pure holly
Depend if u will have the budget when the rank of TD u need come
ionic fern
@orchid frigate save for TD.
past hollow
is there any haste% i want before stacking versa for m+?
amber siren
are you running 24 keys or higher?
past hollow
nah 18-20 range
amber siren
then you dont need to stack vers
cinder jackal
What % of TC Cooldown are people hitting throughout Ny'alotha
Appreciating it will vary alot, boss to boss
past hollow
should i be stacking haste then? assuming its same ilvl
cinder jackal
it's the one thing I've never once nailed according to wow-analyser, despite what feels like spamming it throughout the fight
amber siren
for m+, ilvl>haste>crit
corruption just stack td and then use IT/expedient/GW to fill any slots you can't get TD in
vers is primarily to avoid one shot damage which doesn't happen until mid-20 keys
won't happen in an 18
past hollow
stuck at rank 2 td unfortunately waiting for it to hit the vendor :/
and i have one expedient piece but its in my td slot lol
amber siren
just save your echoes in the mean time until it's up, just how it is
past hollow
right now i have TD2/Ineff1/Versa 3/Honedmind1 just due to having nothing else
amber siren
yeah a lot of people are like that for the moment, once the vendor has been up for a full month it'll start to smooth out a bit more
But make sure you're saving your echoes until it rotates
past hollow
i do have a severe shield, that any good?
amber siren
not terrible, just pretty average
past hollow
better than a honed mind 1?
amber siren
assuming your crit is high enough get get a decent boost, sure
past hollow
alright thanks 😄 also just remembered i got a gushing wound from my vision today lol ill use that instead
carmine wadi
Guys is exp 3 better in combination with TD or it?
ionic fern
TD is big. You don't want to give that up.
carmine wadi
I got TD 5 so I don't need to roll for that I bought full exp3 for my arms spec. So I keep TD for prot nice :)
stiff oracle
Max td, fill expedient 😫
deep cape
How much uptime of shield block/ignore pain in m+ is decent?
graceful flume
i read on naowh stream that he goes td+IT
so i am asking whats the difference between stacking expidient or going IT
amber siren
would get some cds off faster if it procs, main ones being those that AM doesn't affect - primarily spell reflect
trail dome
Also more clap
amber siren
ehhh
graceful flume
you talking about ineffable ?
amber siren
like ~technically~ clap
trail dome
That said, exp is more TD. 🤷♂️
amber siren
yeah IT
graceful flume
because i also tougth that inefabble is RNG
trail dome
It's really RNG.
graceful flume
while stacking expidient is pure gain
amber siren
it is rng
graceful flume
i am also new to prot so i am asking
trail dome
One of the perks of exp is it's also good for arms.
amber siren
im only guessing that he's using it for SR, I don't imagine it would be a large enough difference over just going haste and AM
but i'm not naowh so i can
can't answer that*
graceful flume
well because the thing is
i am mainly running mythic raid and 18+-20+ plus
and right now i can buy 2 expidient and 2 IT
or go for 3 expidient
i already have 1 TD rank 3
trail dome
Assuming you don't mind refarming echoes (and we know no TD next reset)
I'd probably get 2 & 2
graceful flume
yea i don't mind farming echoes but i got lucky i had like 7 keys in my backpack
trail dome
IT is also strong for arms
graceful flume
what you mean with no TD next reset?
sick sentinel
Hi Guys, I’m new to tanking, I can just use my arms gear for tanking right? 😅
graceful flume
ok then thanks for the answers guys i i guess im going to take 2 expidient and 2 IT
amber siren
for 18 and 20 keys you'd just be better off running TD and expedient to max DPS since surv isn't an issue outside of using CDS and mechanics
your echoes though
frail idol
is it now better to go for max vers%?
frail idol
now that the availability is there, i'm wondering if it's better to save echoes for the good m+ push week and go full vers from all sources with haste/vers gear
stiff oracle
Again, if youre doing 27/28 keys, sure
cinder fern
For a 20KR, you reckon I should pair a Shell with my Vita, or run either Scale or Block?
main vault
For only a 20 I’d still go Vita and Block, depending on ilvl
cinder fern
Shell and Vita are both heroic, scale and block are 475.
brittle owl
even hc vita is by and large the best trinket for keys
like nexii said, use vita and block
you don't need shell for tyr KR
cinder fern
Yeah, I knew about Vita. I just wasn't entirely sure about what to pair it with is all. I usually run Scale but I figured Block is the play this week. Tyr KR isn't too terrible but Fort Zul makes me sad.
mossy vale
Hey fellas, must my protection warrior have 1 expedient rank 3?
amber siren
it's a good filler between TD, not a must-have
i would try to have a piece with it if you can (that already isn't a slot youre running TD in)
GW or IT are also good fillers
spark mortar
There anything worth chasing on the Corruption vendor this go-round? I'm rocking TD III already, and I generally do sub 20 keys.
amber siren
nope, its a save week for prot
spark mortar
My Monk friend is drooling over Versatile III.
@amber siren so outside of TD III and IS III (which I have one of each) - what ELSE is truly worth you think?
amber siren
fill your slots with as much TD as youre comfortable with, usual points are at 39 or 59, expedient/gw/IT can fill in any gaps that TD doesn't fit in
vers only really becomes an issue for prot at high keys, 24+ where cd's are not enough
spark mortar
That's what I love about Corruption - it's flexibility.
Cool deal @amber siren danke.
amber siren
low salmon
Hello. Can anyone tell me what i have to take into account if i wanna go ahead and use devastator instead of booming voice?
amber siren
its a loss defensively and aoe damage for a small ST gain
you'll mostly just see it for raid log padding
winged grail
Vita 460 or Dragonscale 475?
amber siren
vita will be up for generally every pack and is a larger haste proc
winged grail
🙇♂️
cursive musk
Would i run 59 corruption of ONLY TD or also supplement with vers or some other corruption?
amber siren
in a perfect world you could fit TD exactly into the exact budget youre looking at, but more than likely you'll have gaps which is where the cheaper corruptions will come in
still pagoda
waiting for TD3 in vendor here in EU
amber siren
expedient rank 3 for example is 20 where TD rank 3 is 75
amber siren
for saturday reset? no
muted forge
Hey, apparently i need to focus more on improving my Positoning, how would i go about improving that? just run more?
toxic gyro
In m+?
muted forge
yeah
high nacelle
is rezan and vita the best choice?
coarse ferry
Humming/vita
amber siren
humming is worth about ~5 ilvl above rezan, it's not a huge difference
rough pine
humming vita normallly, urchin and psychic shell for defensives, and fang for memes
coarse ferry
Humming has a really high uptime
maiden ravine
And there's block if you like the crit
toxic gyro
Just run more m+ and practice, or watch some warrior streamers and pay attention how they position themselves
muted forge
okay thank you (:
one more thing, in the key the mage pulled some mobs sometimes, and my taunt would be on cooldown, so i'd go over and use TC/Revenge to try and get aggro on them, is there a better way for that? (also shockwave)
toxic gyro
Fang during vita and lust is fun on aoe lol
cinder fern
Or leap and taunt, since it refreshes.
toxic gyro
Try to have avatar up for his combustion
high nacelle
i mean humming has alot less haste then rezan thats why i asked
muted forge
nice one cheers
high nacelle
guess it procs more often tho
toxic gyro
But humming has like 50-65% uptime
high nacelle
how much uptime does rezan have
toxic gyro
Not sure, I haven’t played with it
I always use vita + humming/shell
Vita has like 25-35
And also gives haste to my teammates
amber siren
scale has a higher uptime than rezan which is why you'll see it's a bit better but it averages out
iirc scale is a flat 3 rppm and rezan is around 20% uptime
orchid frigate
i had forgotten how nice it is to have a boomie in group necrtoic weeks
orchid frigate
hmm
yeah this one didnt do much dps
think its maybe six months or so since i ran with a boomie
sick sentinel
I find AD to be really unforgiving of mistakes
this week at least, but in general really
strong forum
AD has gotten from one of the easiest to one of the hardest keys ye
sick sentinel
so many tiny things you can do in that dungeon to save time and you only get 30 minutes flat :S
warm plinth
Yeah the timer is super tight
We did two at +20 this week and 2nd one we were 30 seconds over which was exactly the time we lost from our 6 deaths lol
sick sentinel
i'm trying to learn the awakened routes. so i'm only in 10-13's atm
orchid frigate
if i had one echo of nyalotha for every time ive asked a group member to pull the mobs away so we can enter obelisk and they just run into them and die
its like they think they need to get some real good threat before they can kite
warm plinth
Lol
Well they have to compete for threat with all the other people not hitting the mobs right? 😂
orchid frigate
right 🙂
strong forum
its public knowledge that if you need to pull something away you need to combust it first
orchid frigate
haha
warm plinth
Lol
sick sentinel
no lies
warm plinth
We had our hunter pull the right pack away in AD once and he habitually misdirected the tank first 😂
sick sentinel
i had +13 wm and i was scared shitless of doing it the other day cuz i was paranoid that there is 3 doors that open gunna fuck my route, just take it to witches
joke of a dungeon
warm plinth
Waycrest is one of the easiest dungeons to time on most weeks though, real talk
strong forum
na, thats junkyard
warm plinth
Yeah junkyard takes that crown for sure
strong forum
followed by ML/TD
warm plinth
It’s nearly impossible to not time Junkyard as long as you realize that shock bots exist
sick sentinel
not a fan of junkyard but i'll do it
warm plinth
Yeah literally the entire strat or Junkyard haha
ML is basically a free key for my group. VDH tank for Rixxa and Mogul is a joke
sick sentinel
i went there yesterday day before, got to nano trixie trash, killed the elite, then went to pull further group they all yelled at me i'm blind
had pat 180 of camera
but, we got time
strong forum
JY has tons of time, and is getting carried by shock bots
ontop of trash thats easy
ontop of relatively easy bosses
literally quadfecta
orchid frigate
why do you guys think has made the playerbase be able to do higher keys. corruption, experience, affixes?
sick sentinel
is there a way to force io update?
strong forum
Experience, affixes, corruptions late expansion secondary scaling
sick sentinel
still shows 2 chest +8 wm
strong forum
There's alot of factors to it
It typically does it by itself yogi
Takes a bit of time, you can manually press the update button on your character
To maybe speed up the process
sick sentinel
Voice comms REALLY helps with key timer completioning
strong forum
Yes
warm plinth
Yes, probably the single largest contributor to success past a certain point. Especially on interrupt or mechanics heavy dungeons
orchid frigate
too bad calling interrupts feels unfun
strong forum
However the top people can even complete +20s without voice whatsoever
Makes me hate my group
orchid frigate
my group is mostly made up of rerollers so we will never get to +20s i recon
amber siren
i kinda like calling stuff in dungeons since saying it outloud helps me remember whats happening
but i am like -2000 iq
orchid frigate
bleh with this corruption vendor rotation the least thing they could do is put up some information on when which corruption is available
good way to think about it, @amber siren
warm plinth
Yeah same frender. I’d like to know how long I have to save for what’s important for me
strong forum
Nono, then people wouldn't log in for weeks unless they need to grind echoes, they could plan their gearing process
That's a nono
warm plinth
You’re right. Don’t know what I was thinking
solemn venture
460 vita or 475 rezan's?
amber siren
vita
still pagoda
honestly, 15-17 bracket is such a clusterfuck
orchid frigate
when in doubt, vita
orchid frigate
oof
orchid frigate
and they are always belf male
strong forum
Well belf is the best race, can't blame em
still pagoda
quarantine have kinda cut down any possibilities of transferring my warrior over to horde
also ^^
strong forum
On horde*
still pagoda
my horde monk is belf
strong forum
Any tank that can go vulpera, I would make vulpera tbh
still pagoda
and warr gonna be so too
strong forum
But I seem to be in the minority of liking them
orchid frigate
i have a DK vulpera
still pagoda
Just as i played draenei and only draenei on ally
orchid frigate
but almost all gear looks bad on him
strong forum
Objectively wrong
orchid frigate
but i really like that hes so smol
strong forum
They have amazing tmog imo
orchid frigate
feels nice when tanking
strong forum
Just don't use a helmet
orchid frigate
mhm
strong forum
And youre set
orchid frigate
hehe
still pagoda
Antorus
orchid frigate
mhm
orchid frigate
isnt normal red?
still pagoda
normal is brown with white spheres
orchid frigate
ah
nice
my monk is orc and that set doesnt look good on orcs 😄
especially the ha
t
still pagoda
wait a sec
gonna relog onto English WoW and my monk
Horde PvP colour schemes >>>>> ally PvP ones
shy rapids
amber siren
#268491842637660160 tl;dr unless youre going for world first keys then ilvl>haste>crit
stiff oracle
@strong forum Guinea pig master race!
dire blade
1st kill mythic wrat and skitta last night with a pug group. Got the sword and the shoulders! What a great night!!!
amber siren
grats dude
still pagoda
grats
stiff oracle
Cats
dire blade
I scared the wife yelling on both kills!!
slow bay
where can i find a bis list for prot?
strong forum
Next expac
Bis lists don't exist in a world of rng gearing and corruptions, even if you can buy them right now
And different stats serve different purposes
warm plinth
Probably
amber siren
yeah unless youre finding yourself in a situation where you'll need that vers %, it'll just be eating into your corruption budget
lean arch
i'm trying to keep arms geared as well, so it's tough managing two sets of gear with corruption