Yo
#protection
worthy spire
sick sentinel
Thatβs my job
worthy spire
What happened to shaw
sick sentinel
He gone
worthy spire
Did he give up
stiff oracle
yeah because when people throw down condescending comments to shut down any discussion about anything that isnt meta
left hatch
he subbed in for someone even more pedantic
stiff oracle
this place isn't about discussion
left hatch
if i was condescending i didn't mean to be
stiff oracle
its an echo chamber
inland bolt
@worthy spire Hello
warm plinth
So Thyme, are you coming back for Shadowlands
worthy spire
PogU hes here
undone sun
it's a possibility, i don't think at the start though
left hatch
and the point of the channel isn't primarily to theorycraft
sick sentinel
Iβll be there ghash
undone sun
i have lost trust in blizzard some time ago, and there are some decisions they have for SL that they aren't turning back on yet
left hatch
its to help players, specifically newer players
warm plinth
Gotta wait til the first meta tank gets hammered with nerfs
Then pick your class
π
undone sun
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neat crow
Im ngl that is how it is in every class discord
stiff oracle
yep
Some people tried acting like this in the disc priest discord and all got banned lol
its a much better place in there
inland bolt
Give up what? I was told I was wrong and I asked for an explanation - people decided to start swinging on discord so I just explained my reasoning for why I thought it was correct, I asked for some math and was told I'm an elitist
π
stiff oracle
echo chambers and condescending messages have no place in class discussion discords
main vault
far too πΈ to be an elitist
main vault
π
undone sun
π ±οΈean
sick sentinel
I too am someone you could call an elitist
warm plinth
Shoo elitist prick
undone sun
could
main vault
you absolutely are
inland bolt
@undone sun you chill now?
warm plinth
undone sun
but wouldn't @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Yeah elitist implies I am good
stiff oracle
bro all Ive come in here to say is that attacking people with condescending comments over discussing something that is "not meta for 99% of all content" is not the right behaviour
sick sentinel
Which as we all know is not true
worthy spire
Didnt shaw say he was a casual warrior, not sure if that was a troll message tho or sarcasm
undone sun
he did
left hatch
i mean didn't mean to condescend
idk what his player level is
frankly it doesn't matter
undone sun
i agree
left hatch
all i want from him is if hes presenting new ideas or builds
like "dropping 10 ilvls is the play tbh"
to not phrase it as established fact
or to add context like
"is the play in 25 keys"
so were not spreading misinformation to ppl doing 10s
main vault
accepted science is you have to prove your new ideas, or disprove old ones
left hatch
because they won't fully understand concept on their own
main vault
The burden of proof is on the new idea, not the old
sick sentinel
Chants nexii
left hatch
is that unreasonable given the vast majority of ppl in here are either new or never seeing above a 20?
trail dome
anyway, i actually came in here to ask about workshop
what's the best practice for tanking last boss p1
i was getting really chunked
warm plinth
SR on CD, rotate CDs and clench your butt cheeks
warm plinth
Pray that phase 2 comes quickly, which it won't because tyrannical King Mechagon lasts approximately 32 minutes
sharp night
if you wanna gigabrain you can do the same thing as ML where you save your hearth
trail dome
blast blast reflect blast or whatever
stiff oracle
Anyone here know how to tank the 1st boss in workshop?
just curious
we're all tanks here and we all have our old ideas in place
I hope nobody says anything wrong
warm plinth
What do you mean by how do you tank it?
main vault
he is just baiting
warm plinth
Ah
hallow phoenix
Heroic throw spam
left hatch
I'll agree class discords shouldn't be a place to condescend but its also not a place to be facetious
hallow phoenix
Just told you
inland silo
main vault
warm plinth
Tank boss next to the box, make your hunter meme the leap, and get dispelled quickly π
undone sun
welcome to the party @inland silo
stiff oracle
I have some long standing META ideas that is 100% correct in all situations for tanking the 1st boss in workshop
hallow phoenix
That's second boss ghash
sharp night
nah it's first boss
warm plinth
1st boss doesn't get played though
hallow phoenix
warm plinth
The game plays it for you
stiff oracle
Mwahi did the math on my ideas and its correct in 99% of all content!
sick sentinel
The real boss is grouping the bots under the hammer
left hatch
damn girl
warm plinth
Stack with boss in swirl
left hatch
you're really worked up about this
sick sentinel
Change my mind
hallow phoenix
I make my team sit upstairs while I solo the bots
stiff oracle
you are incorrect how dare you suggest an incorrect concept in this discord
inland bolt
π₯Ά
warm plinth
Well, vince is vdh so we just sigil of chains it into a chaos nova
And they just die
hallow phoenix
So I missed a good portion of whatever this is
warm plinth
π
hallow phoenix
Should I scroll up or not worth
main vault
Its a shitshow
sick sentinel
You do realize you are trolling in a discord with some of the most troll tolerant people in the world
warm plinth
Not worth
main vault
Literally all it is
lofty widget
how do you solo that first trash in workshop btw? i just died the one time i tried lol
sick sentinel
We will not crack
stiff oracle
^incorrect...
lofty widget
but wont the bombs go off?
inland bolt
hallow phoenix
You can take a bomb with cds
wintry pendant
You bring the bots to Yzma
hallow phoenix
Detonate cast
lofty widget
no i meant he cast they do, 'detonate' or whatever
wintry pendant
So that she may smash it with a hammer
wintry pendant
sick sentinel
what are the chances of farming another 10k echoes by tomorrow :pepehands:
main vault
0
sick sentinel
i've been doing 5k a day, i wanna get rank 21 before it resets
wintry pendant
30 15s*
sharp night
yeah that
sick sentinel
i'm doing a mix of 3s and keys
sharp night
2s are way faster
neat crow
Pop a lightfoot, clap them all in the center after a charge then heroic leap behind the hammer hitbox, use demo shout and slam instantly too so u have enough rage for a defensive once they come to u. Then walk in slightly to trigger the hammer and back out @lofty widget
worthy spire
oh god
neat crow
The other week i got one shot on that pull as a BDK
main vault
@worthy spire yes
neat crow
2nd time i pre popped rune weapom lol
worthy spire
Nothing
stiff oracle
Youre spreading misinformation to beginners by suggesting that you dont assign 2 kicks for that 1st pull
inland bolt
LOL
hallow phoenix
Storm bolt
neat crow
Chad it up
sick sentinel
group coordination is for suckers
stiff oracle
They also dont get 1 shot by the hammer if youre the only one down there
neat crow
Yea the best way to pull is to make it as fast and as pug proof as possible
hallow phoenix
So like was rain giving bad advice and got mad when he was told it was bad advice
I don't wanna scroll up
stiff oracle
I didnt give any advice and I am not trolling
main vault
He wasnt giving advice
sick sentinel
you're trolling 100%
stiff oracle
I am dead serious that you must assign 2 kicks for the first pull in workshop and that the adds do not get 1 shot if you dont have all 5 players there
hallow phoenix
They can totally get one shot
stiff oracle
No that is 100% incorrect
main vault
dont take his bait
worthy spire
IF YOU PROC A RANK 15 TD THEY WILL GET ONE SHOT PogU
hallow phoenix
My bad
warm plinth
Don't even respond to him tbh
undone sun
ignoring doesn't solve anything
mortal brook
beginners arent running keys where theyll get one shot by detonate. pretty simple
stiff oracle
I was talking about the hammer 1 shotting all the adds, not the detonate killing the adds
worthy spire
So do people on this discord get banned frmo time to time, genuine question
main vault
Sometimes
undone sun
statistically, sure
elder plank
^^
undone sun
100k users, there's bound to be some bans
warm plinth
I think you have to be π₯ to get banned from here
undone sun
but prot is a channel that doesn't have that many active mods
inland bolt
@worthy spire π£
stiff oracle
sorry I was just being condescending to people that didnt fully understand certain mechanics in workshop rather than actually being helpful and explaining things
undone sun
mwahi is EU, and late is always DnD
hallow phoenix
I always thought thyme was a mod
warm plinth
Late is EU too
hallow phoenix
Isn't nom a mod
stiff oracle
I hope reciprocating your own echo chamber demonstrates the lack of empathy some of you have for others
warm plinth
Stormforged aren't mods
They're just people that are designated a separate color to indicate they can be trusted with their answers
main vault
I have 0 empathy for you, and I dont feel bad about that
hallow phoenix
I wouldn't trust nom to make me a health pot
main vault
π
hallow phoenix
undone sun
SF is glorified regulars, and i don't mean regulars from DG just showing up often
π
main vault
true
worthy spire
How do you get banned from here even
undone sun
trolling
warm plinth
Be π₯
undone sun
hallow phoenix
Pretty sure I saw someone get banned for hostile name calling and profanity
sick sentinel
Thatβs because only children do that
undone sun
follow the Code of conduct, and discord ToS, then the repsective discord rules
warm plinth
emojis
sick sentinel
Thyme threatened to ban me In bear discord
Even though everyone was happy to see me
undone sun
factually incorrect
sick sentinel
Frown
hallow phoenix
Thyme is a bear?
inland bolt
π₯Ά
stiff oracle
Any tanks here interested in explaining to me how to unsnap evading adds?
sick sentinel
He is THE bear
hallow phoenix
Why do we have do many warrior RPers
worthy spire
RP is epic
hallow phoenix
I RP on my alt
sick sentinel
How do I RP
hallow phoenix
Go to goldshire
sick sentinel
I yell in my mic when people ask me to shout during raid does that count
warm plinth
Thyme is a bear in spirit. In reality he's a non-player.
undone sun
π
main vault
Bear is lyfe
sick sentinel
Thyme if I become a bear will you tolerate me
inland bolt
anyway.. the new vers% build for M+ seems ALOT stronger than TD's especially in lower keys - i can't wait to try it out
with my full leech amp set
inland bolt
π
undone sun
π
sick sentinel
I would have been gone long ago
undone sun
what's a mod
inland bolt
any siphoners in the chat?
warm plinth
Do what?
hallow phoenix
Thought you were responding to him @stiff oracle
sick sentinel
Angelo for context those frogs have still been going at it for 20ish minutes
warm plinth
Oh, no
inland bolt
incase anyone is confused, run TD's in keys π enjoy your morning bros
worthy spire
Ye but im too busy afking in dazar'alor
warm plinth
It's 8:15PM though D:
stiff oracle
Next 6 people to respond enjoy their echo chambers well
hallow phoenix
Lel
undone sun
π bye
warm plinth
Bye guys!
main vault
π
worthy spire
π π
sick sentinel
Safe travels
main vault
pgud, just doing HC on Druid
sick sentinel
LATELY?
hallow phoenix
Whoa calm down
worthy spire
Im sure you would
main vault
You were halfway there
undone sun
i did all i could, but got shot down for no legitimate reason
undone sun
nooo.....π
worthy spire
Can you even blacklist a certain word in discords?
main vault
Yes
undone sun
through bots
undone sun
yeah, there are times to educate
worthy spire
I suppose
main vault
Just dont wanna shun someone actually seeking advice, even if its a stupid question
worthy spire
I suppose that's true indeed
sick sentinel
If you ban the L word I am out of here
main vault
love
left hatch
worthy spire
I mean surely if you'd be so upset about it you wouldn't call it the L word
hallow phoenix
What are you guys wearing in the 40-59 corruption range
worthy spire
TD
left hatch
IT1 or Expedient are both good choices
kinda feelycrafty which one is better
expedient def better offensively tho
hallow phoenix
My alt needs about 8 weeks to catch up, which makes me not want to play it
left hatch
why my BM hunter is ded
if they add in something that lets you farm malefics from clears tho
id rather have that catchup than the '1 run per cloak level' tbh
hallow phoenix
Idk why they didn't adjust post-15 gains
sick sentinel
The whole 2 per week thing is ass
worthy spire
What even is the cap on the resistance on cloak
left hatch
the closest to a max iv seen was on wowhead at 120.. but idk if that was a # they datamined, or just mathed out based on an expected prepatch
so grain of salt with that
hallow phoenix
That might be what I'm thinking of
left hatch
and there was no bluepost or anything backing it up
gilded tapir
Sorry if you guys answer this all the time, but for M+ would you swap vita or dragonscale out to use a psychic shell?
left hatch
depends on your key level
and if you find a need for it
super strong trinket, but if you don't NEED the abrosb every minute, eh
hallow phoenix
Psychic shell is very good for living through predictable burst
hallow phoenix
Such as spirit break in high keys
hallow phoenix
The sharing the love part is do underrated by lots of people
I got guildies not using it cause something else sims a little higher
left hatch
oof that group dmg contribution tho
main vault
yeah inting tbh
hallow phoenix
left hatch
its hard not to fall into the tunnel of 'gotta pump'
left hatch
lol i think you'll benefit more from Expedient than IT
per your old question
thats huge value
left hatch
mwahi noped me when i suggested IT for ML
cause its rng
and group coordination makes it so you can do it w/o every SR
im too lazy to quote it but
yeh
i had the same idea
hallow phoenix
Free big damage if you get the proc tho
hallow phoenix
I hate doing that :(
minor oyster
On rezan what's the rotation for the dot ?
left hatch
depends on your healer and group
hallow phoenix
Depends on your healer
minor oyster
let's say dudu,holy
hallow phoenix
Should probably use your own CDs first
minor oyster
nzoth-last-shield?
left hatch
i usually go like... LS + DS -> healer CD-> SW-> LS+DS -> Darkness or something
sick sentinel
Paladin ez bop
left hatch
nzoths can be good, just use it on cd
and its tempting to spam IP
but don't let SB drop off
hallow phoenix
When I run with an hpal we do nzoth+sac, SW, bop, pray, etc
left hatch
or hell just chomp you ded with melees instead
main vault
Oh look appreciative people
main vault
You can prolly Demo all of them, or get super close
left hatch
thanks for coming to our echo chamber (:
minor oyster
every other i can get it if they don't vanish/faint
hallow phoenix
Yeah I never let my group cancel it early
minor oyster
i mean if they vanish faint i can get every other
I usualy let them if I have cds
but kinda just got slaped like a idiot when healer overlaped on my ls
hallow phoenix
It's pretty important to my group to buy that extra time
left hatch
yeh
if your healer gets behind
or ppl spawn adds
esp this week
you're gonna have a bad time
hallow phoenix
Yike
left hatch
oh no wonder haha
minor oyster
and I just fell behind and was fighting for me life
I was like either I'm an idiot or something is wrong
sick sentinel
lol side of necrotic to go with your bleed entree
left hatch
yah those adds truck even w/o necro
sick sentinel
Tyr rezan is 
main vault
Its even better when people spawn raptors
left hatch
hardest part of hte dungeon easily
hallow phoenix
A paladin can really save your life on that fight
left hatch
at least tank perspective
hallow phoenix
Bop and LoH so strong
hallow phoenix
Find a ret pally
Yeah even nzoth trinket is like one bleed tick when you get up there
left hatch
if only bleeds were truly phys damage
hallow phoenix
Just race change to dwarf
worthy spire
oh god am i out of touch
left hatch
largely irrelevent
worthy spire
i have 0 idea what vulpera does
left hatch
and vulp has that 'first hit damage is reduced ' thing
hallow phoenix
Vulpera are cute so they take less damage cause mobs don't want to hurt them
left hatch
but i think it got nerfed a week or 2 back
hallow phoenix
Also more bag space...
left hatch
tldr only the utility really matters
so pick what you like
(:
cause you'll still be able to do most relevent content without like.. the aoe purge
hallow phoenix
Totally fine
left hatch
yeh not a wrong asnwer
hallow phoenix
I play darkspear and undead
worthy spire
I have a panda rogue
left hatch
i did that in GW2 for my rogue, went the biggest most obnoxious looking minotaur race
for the sneaky stealth boi
left hatch
idr anything about GW2 besides it had 0 endgear gearing
and the awesome legendaries you spent 2 months making
had the exact same stats as the equivilant of mythic 0 epics
):
and then i stopped playing when i found that out lol
hallow phoenix
They eventually released raids
left hatch
i gotta hand it to wow, they consistently have the best end-game gearing of any mmo
hallow phoenix
And ascended gear which was slightly better than exotic level gear
left hatch
even with TF/corruption shenanagans
feels good to actually have something to work for
than say... FFXIV, where the stats are ALL boring 0 interaction things like versa, and being fully decked out in mythic gear improves normal boss kills by like
10% at best
everything feels inconsequential and awful
hallow phoenix
i very much liked the build diversity GW2 had
left hatch
ill take an rng lottery shitshow over that anyday
main vault
sks and sps are the only ones with interaction
left hatch
yeh, basically haste
left hatch
i did like how weapon choice completely changed available skills in GW2
gun rogue felt worlds apart from daggers
and could build around like.. crit damage, poison etc
analog zinc
;-;
hallow phoenix
yeah
gw2 did builds right, though doesnt hold a candle to how gw1 did things
man that was a great game
What on earth city?
left hatch
i really liked the play of uh
Blade and Soul as well
tanking came down to actually like parrying shit
and timing counters
just hated how it became pay to progress at the end with your relic weapon
didn't shell out cash youd be stuck with an lfr quality weapon for months
hallow phoenix
would you describe it as dark souls style combat
left hatch
mmmm faster
less punishing to a degree
but also way closer to DS than say wow
since you have combos to weave in instead of 'press 1 to SS'
hallow phoenix
i really should branch out to more video games
left hatch
i tried ESO
analog zinc
woa blade & soul
left hatch
but it... doesn't feel good
hallow phoenix
did not like ESO combat
left hatch
and FF14 feels like stop motion
and their raids while visually impressive bosses
are so scripted on timers
and are all on like... giant floating squares or circle arenas
gets old
analog zinc
yea there's like ZERO rng in ffxiv bosses I've heard
left hatch
yup
analog zinc
every fight is completely scripted
left hatch
everything happens at exactly the same time
even most phasing is on a timer
instead of %
analog zinc
also dps meters are banned lul
hallow phoenix
GW2 tried that
left hatch
grief ppl
analog zinc
ye
hallow phoenix
until they caved in
left hatch
or kick em because of it
if you like DS tho tusks, you should try all the spinoffs and even offbrand versions
Surge/Lords of the Fallen/Code Vein/Remnant all really solid
if less polished
and Nioh imo is better than Darkshouls
left hatch
also Bloodbourne and Sekiro
hallow phoenix
only PC π¦
left hatch
diff pacing but still similar
aww rip
Salt and Sanctuary and Hollow Knight also 10/10's
albeit it they mashup souls and metroidvanias
inland silo
sekiro is pc
left hatch
so if you don't like 2d
inland silo
its definitely my favorite of them all
left hatch
close 2nd to Nioh for me
i got hooked on the diablo loot
and set bonus' and build diversity
sekiro is way more of a power fantasy trip though
pulling off flawless parries is one of the most satisfying gaming experiences i've ever had
real fossil
how important is wep ilv for prot? i got the mechagon 1hander and i dont want to lose the stats, but its an ilv upgrade
left hatch
extremely
warm plinth
Very important
left hatch
AP increases your IP size
and that 1-h from mechagon is actually really good for ST
so the only case it might be a small downgrade is output in big aoe
real fossil
go team
sacred bear
does phase 3 of carapace start as soon as you enter the tunnel?
or can we wait a second to let people catch up
mortal brook
timers start when he starts moving
from p2
the cyst generation will happen based on his movement, not yours
sacred bear
jeez ok so we gotta move quick
novel dust
so TD is pretty much all i shoot for now? no verse corruption or anything else?
left hatch
if you comfy with TFB you can shoot for an Expedient 3 or a IT1
but for rn yeh its TD5
staying below 40*
novel dust
ty
pallid berry
hey anyone do mythic vex?
mortal brook
pallid berry
so yes, but actualy no
im trying to figure out how the grips work, well whole guild is
sullen hinge
Guys. May. I ask is ancient bulwark a good trait to use? I mainly tank mythic dungeon only.
tame garden
2 furthest ppl get gripped
left hatch
its good, but you can't get it on max ilvl pieces so it's not talked about much
same with BB infusion, good trait but its not paired with BoM so kinda iegnored
sullen hinge
ahhh means im better off with an extra deafening crush?
left hatch
eh DC stacking hasn't really been a thing since S2
the nerf to the TC talent hurt it pretty bad
left hatch
mhm 100%
sullen hinge
haha
left hatch
the ideal traits to stack for M+ are 1xDC 3xBoM and some combo of MS/CwH/HoD
aim for OP or UF in the middle row > static stat ones like LifeSpeed (the tank specific ones are awful for prot)
and either REsounding Protection or Impassive Visage for innermost
sullen hinge
ooo
left hatch
and as bad as it feels to drop a BoM the only trait worth item level is your first DC
left hatch
yep
sullen hinge
the rest really depends what they give me
left hatch
you can target a really nice combo with the azerite vendor
1s cause i don't remember the name of the 'bis' chest
ok so ideal world you'd go for
Abyssal helm (theres an alternative thats like .1% worse but idr it rn)
Kraken Pauldrons or Tank Buster Pauldrons
Ashvane Warden Cuirrass or Mechanized Plate Chasse
sullen hinge
azerite vendor?
left hatch
yeh, theres a vendor next to the transmog guy that sells azerite pieces
has every potential dungeon piece at 475 ilvl
left hatch
takes a few weeks
you get it from your weekly chest
imho you can gamble for 1 475 in each, then save for specific pieces
some ppl like to keep gambling, but iv had awful experiences with that lol
left hatch
yeh... iv gotten the same piece 3 weeks in a row -_-
sullen hinge
oh god
left hatch
not falling into that trap again
sullen hinge
haha.
tame garden
@pallid berry ?
cyan dock
is the Lingering Spore Pods trinket any good for Prot?
cyan dock
π
placid oar
Good day warriors, can anyone kindly provide some good tips to tank the void bosses? Iβm struggling with the world breaker one, somehow I taunt and hit him once but the slow will slow me so bad I get hit by it.
placid oar
Ah okay, cos sometimes the pug dps would stay and dps. So I tried to tank it with SB and demo up with some ip spam.
Will warn them before hand to watch out
Thank u baker
cyan dock
u cant LoS it tho
cyan dock
yup
full horizon
Can any horde prot warrior please tank this +13 TOS? So hard to get a tank this week
pallid berry
it seems to pull 3 random
with apreference for farther away
but no guaranteed
also
7/12 now, fuck that dumb dragon and her shitty breath
mortal brook
nice work!
clear pawn
is there a M+ guide for war tanks on all affixs on dungeons how to tank ?
thin chasm
Thoughts on Rank1 ineffable Truth? I'm trying to figure out if it is worth getting or not (either raid or m+). I already have rank 3 TD
left hatch
save up for another 2TD
and then if you're ok with TFB you can grab an IT1 or Expedient 3
as a little bonus
and theres not a guide per affix that im aware of borgraman
but dratnos has a weekly route that he posts on Raider.io for every dungeon
and most of the time they don't require any fancy skips or feigndeath/vanish's
thin chasm
thanks
ionic fern
Should we do a affix guide?
placid oar
@ionic fern that would be great if u can sir. Iβm looking at streams at to learn the small tricks I can with affixes
undone sun
that'd be complex
undone sun
didn't tanknotes have plans for M+
ionic fern
1)Is it necrotic/bolstering/bursting/explosive?
Yes - Pull Slowly
No - GO HAM
You're welcome.
undone sun
pretty much
left hatch
excellent guide
undone sun
a guide for every single affix would be incredibly complex and mostly unnecessary
ionic fern
Not to say going over all the combinations which might in turn change how you play them.
undone sun
a lot of factors
placid oar
Hahaha that made me laugh
ionic fern
- we would probably have questions like "But the guide said not to go over 30 necrotic stacks..but i see X warrior going to 50" etc.
placid oar
Would there be a guide on how to deal with the void rift bosses?
left hatch
comp, skips, key level, affix combo, what door you get on WC, does Atal have that magical extra teeming pack
all contribute
placid oar
I see
left hatch
heck theres even diff routes based on which high key runner you look at
placid oar
I was watching Naowh last night for a bit and saw him take the dark fury with no dmg. Did not understand why
Also noted he demo and shield block to take tank buster
left hatch
wowhead has a pretty basic summary of what the void bosses do
placid oar
As a new tank, I was mind blown and tried it out earlier
Okay Morrison, will read it. Thank u π€
undone sun
left hatch
yeh its really bare bones though
undone sun
probably a good start
ionic fern
Maybe he was using Nzoth trinket @placid oar ? That pretty much negates either the smash or Fury.
placid oar
Ah Iβm not sure, I did not check his gear βΉοΈ
U may be right
Thanks Thyme
Reading it now
Thanks to u guys, I have been improving and able to tank 18s now
tawdry dirge
whats the best way to handle necro on warrior?
ionic fern
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undone sun
placid oar
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civic thistle
The best way to handle it is the way you don't die
ionic fern
Do you have a lot of stacks and are out of mitigation/getting low on health?
Yes - Stun->Leap, reset.
No - Stay in there.
tawdry dirge
sucks
tawdry dirge
so no way to chees like as pala
undone sun
correct
civic thistle
You can also intervene a friendly range player
ionic fern
Dwarf racial works if that's of any condolence.
sharp night
you can cheese like pally if you bring a pally π
left hatch
the TLDR of dealing with them (and some tricks) ik of
goop boi - kite the boss so you're not dropping pools where you need to path him as your dps kill the tentacle bois. you can help kill them or have everybody los the tenties to group them up or also enter early to SR all 4 at once to chunk their health
bug lady - cycle interrupts if you're not moving her, just let the bugs explode on their own and don't be in the circle or you get a nasty dot. If yo'ure using it for a skip you can just kite her and her babies and the babies explode before you get to the exit point
Fear guy - kill his babies. asap. that bleed they put on fucks you. can also save your healer dispel by zerker raging your own fear
tank buster, you can OOR his cast i think its twice and hell commit to a ground pound after but takes a lot of space. have on higher keys you need to cycle cds for the initial hit but its not blockable so... only like DS or SW work. The puddles hit a lot harder than people realize so either leap the fuck out asap or have ranged target down ones near you asap
undone sun
even through the change from magic to physical, paladin retained it's strength towards necrotic
tawdry dirge
sadly not i have a human,.. yeah pala heals π
tawdry dirge
heared some time ago the pvp essence is a thing on necro?
left hatch
if you really need it, yes
ionic fern
Don't notice you got BoP'ed
Keep on thinking why people are getting threat
Definitely happened to me once.
π¦
placid oar
the TLDR of dealing with them (and some tricks) ik of
goop boi - kite the boss so you're not dropping pools where you need to path him as your dps kill the tentacle bois. you can help kill them or have everybody los the tenties to group them up or also enter early to SR all 4 at once to chunk their healthbug lady - cycle interrupts if you're not moving her, just let the bugs explode on their own and don't be in the circle or you get a nasty dot. If yo'ure using it for a skip you can just kite her and her babies and the babies explode before you get to the exit point
Fear guy - kill his babies. asap. that bleed they put on fucks you. can also save your healer dispel by zerker raging your own fear
tank buster, you can OOR his cast i think its twice and hell commit to a ground pound after but takes a lot of space. have on higher keys you need to cycle cds for the initial hit but its not blockable so... only like DS or SW work. The puddles hit a lot harder than people realize so either leap the fuck out asap or have ranged target down ones near you asap
@left hatch wow, thank you so much !!
left hatch
if you have a set healer, ask how many stacks hes comfy with healing you to (for most its between 30-40)
tawdry dirge
on bosses shouldnt be a big og a deal i guess
left hatch
and if shits not dead before you get there, you can Shockwave/leap away
intercept and book it
ionic fern
Necrotic is actually fairly easy in most scenarios due to Shield Block being so strong vs physical damage..you're health doesn't really move unless you let SB drop so healers don't have to heal you regardless.
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sharp night
just macro cancelaura to every spell mwahi
left hatch
or run Sphere Minor nad jsut walk away
sharp night
then you don't even need to think
placid oar
Ah, I just learnt that SB donβt work on tank buster. I always thought it could help mitigate some dmg. Thanks a lot
left hatch
prots one of the easiest tanks to handle necro because our core mitigation isn't impacted at all by it
ionic fern
True @sharp night
sharp night
exactly
tawdry dirge
sounds nice
left hatch
and yeh you're right, unless you mess up a boss (like spawning extra raptors on rezan) your stacks reset naturally
either through lulls in the fight or from parry
hidden plaza
Is there anyone i can send a wcl link for a death to see if I could have done more or just dps opening early?
tawdry dirge
allrighty time to test thanks guys
mystic finch
hello! been out of the loop playing some other classes so i must've missed the conversation when the vendor was released
are there any corruptions we wanna buy right now? or should we just keep on farming echoes to aim for specific ones that might come in the future?
TIA
ionic fern
go ham @hidden plaza
left hatch
TD5
and if you're ok with running more than 40 you can grab like expedient 3
or a IT1
as icing on the delicious TD cake
placid oar
Oh on rezan, is there anyway to reset out stacks if the dps spwn too many raptors?
hidden plaza
WCL down atm .......
left hatch
stun and murder them asap
placid oar
Okay got it
west mica
You can stun and leap away if need be
ionic fern
You don't really need the Vers.
left hatch
nah versa stuff isn't really a consideration till you're pushing like 24 keys
placid oar
Thanks again π
ionic fern
TD will provide you with like 20k+ DPS just by being there. π
left hatch
other stats provide more value till you absolutely need versa to avoid one shots
long bronze
475 scale or 460 vita
ionic fern
Anything is okay as long as you're using your highest ilvl pieces.
left hatch
%'s don't matter much
Don't drop ilvl
and prio haste-crit on equal ilvl
mystic finch
alright! thanks a lot!
long bronze
why do people say prioritize crit over vers
left hatch
vast majority of damage taken in any key is from AA's
and point for point it mitigates that phys damage a lot better than versa does
(verse is like 80 for .5% reduction)
and in most levels of keys magic damage is either completely avoidable or trivial
long bronze
spectral bolts in KR man
ionic fern
If you check the total amount of parries you get @long bronze it's actually pretty high.
left hatch
right, theres standouts like... Rixxa and Zul
ionic fern
And then you consider that the avg melee in that dungeon was 47.4k and you're like..HMM, that's a lot of mitigation.
left hatch
but those are outlier cases, and even the dungeons they live in are overwhelmingly physical
long bronze
for sure
ionic fern
The only downside is that it's RNG.
placid oar
apologies for the flurry of questions but would a combo of ilvl 475 scale with ilvl 460 vita be better than a ilvl 475 scale with ilvl 465 rezans gleaming eye? Am only able to pug mythic as i stopped raiding due to work.
left hatch
^ but also why its only Haste>Crit for M+ is the huge amount of mobs and AA's normalizes the curve a bit
long bronze
Yeah I stack haste, but was curious about the crit
left hatch
yeh well thats the reasoning
long bronze
I usually wear the piece if it has haste and ilvl. I just don't have much crit at all
sick sentinel
ποΈ
long bronze
good to know thanks
left hatch
its a better reduction to EHRPS than verse is
and its fine if yo'ure crit light (: as long as you priotizing that ilvl first
you're golden
long bronze
yeah for sure
wish I didn't spend so much time trying to craft haste/vers pants... I got like 3 haste/crit ones hah
left hatch
Id take the scale and Vita personally
rezans is good but i wouldn't drop 10 ilvls for it
placid oar
ah i see, thank you @sick sentinel and @left hatch for your inputs
long bronze
another fun one, what can I do to make it so my charge doesn't go through mobs so I get meleed in the back on the way in?
feel like it happens all the time
long bronze
yeah passing
left hatch
which... i don't think iv ever seen
ionic fern
Never happened to me either. π
placid oar
would it also be worthwhile for me to try and equip ideal secondary stats (Haste and Crit) for M+s or i can stick to haste and versa for some of my gear? Am thinking if i need to farm or craft those haste + crit stats
left hatch
if thats happening your group might be pulling them early
long bronze
hmmm, maybe I'm just a clown
ionic fern
After charge you will be INFRONT of the target you charged.
left hatch
so they start running towards your group after you hit charge
long bronze
good point, do have an overzealous hunter
left hatch
but even then, never seen it
ionic fern
@placid oar you can literally use w/e you want in most key levels. People put too much pressure on themselves with the "I must have x stats to do Y!!!"
left hatch
Don't worry about farming specific stat lines, the difference between haste>crit and Haste>Versa isn't groundbreaking
you won't stop timing keys because you have a lot of versa
just don't like... completely gem and chant for vers when yo'ure still doing say 18's lol
or start dropping ilvl because you "need" it
placid oar
thank you @ionic fern and @left hatch
yea i am going full blown haste like u guys adviced
not going for versa unless i am doing 24s
gotta learn the fundamentals and gain more experience now
left hatch
yeh even in 24's i havn't seen someoen go whole hog on verse either
placid oar
sry, just some bad habits to try and min-max
ionic fern
Even then THINK before you do.
Are you taking enough damage? Are you dying through proper play? Is the healer forced to spam heal you 24/7? etc.
left hatch
it looks like ppl are trying to get the bare minimum versa to survive specific things
and then fitting in like TD and other things around that
placid oar
okay got it
placid oar
o.O
long bronze
99% of the times I die it is when our kicks get un-coordinated. Which vers would "help" with, but the magic hits so hard no amount of vers will save me π
ionic fern
And that's just patching ..get the kicks right and there's no need for it.
long bronze
I haven't seen a warrior with full vers amp so not sure... could prob get pretty high with aegis + c&s and full amp
long bronze
I saw some math for it but I don't remember what they said they max was
it maxes at 99% I think
long bronze
ah true
left hatch
yah no TD :/
and yeh like you said, versa isn't a substititue for missing kicks
and if your group is really scuffed an extra... 20% verse isn't gonna save you
still pagoda
the only substitute for few missed kicks is purge
but this goes only for SotS
and only for first packs with healing and DR buffs
left hatch
nobody knows, the best theory is that the vendor stock is tied to the miniassaults so itll go through the cycle every other week
long bronze
they get buffs when they get kicked
long bronze
my plan is to buy 3 expedients friday 30 min before reset
and sell back if TD is available
long bronze
did somebody say leech?
still pagoda
my plan is to buy out CnS and Formless on monk
long bronze
undone sun
π
ionic fern
π
still pagoda
and just dump everything in TD on both warr and monk afterwards
still pagoda
ye
undone sun
feels like i'm a magnet
green laurel
Fairly new tank question, So I was always lead to believe haste stacking was the best option.
Our group is now doing 18-20m+ and I've noticed I'm taking bigger amounts of damage at times that I feel I just can't pop cooldows for.
Would going down the versiltility route help with this? Current I'm around 35% haste 30% mastery I believe but only 4% vert.
I'm not sure if vert is just a lower stat but I've never actively tried to not get vert just don't seem to have much.
As for corruptions, Are you guys going to be looking for TD or vert stacking?
left hatch
at that level its still TD stacking
5TD if you wanna be under 40
add an extra Expedient 3 or IT1 if you ok with a bit more
limpid pawn
@green laurel link your armory
limpid pawn
But general consensus here is that verse is only for β23+β keys
left hatch
expedient is haste %, IT is a proc that makes CDs (and anger management) faster
and yeh, versa comes into play when you're being absolutely obliterated with perfect play
green laurel
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/rahaz
Ultimately playing catch up. Havnt been around much, hense the not so good gear :)
left hatch
so high key players will slot in versa amps to avoid 1-shots
until you get to that point both haste and crit to more to reduce your damage taken
than versa does
ionic fern
Damage intake on a 18-20 keys is still fairly on the low side.
Are you sure things are getting interrupted/you are using mitigation properly etc?
left hatch
point for point
and yeh if you're damage intake is super high you most likely have some misplays to optimize
green laurel
Ah I'm nowhere near that stage yet. So TD is ultimately the way for now then
left hatch
mhm
remember, being out of combat is a 100% damage reduction
so technically its still a defensive
(:
left hatch
can i nitpick a bit
green laurel
Sure
left hatch
wont make or break survivability
green laurel
That's what I came here for
green laurel
That thing on my shield?
left hatch
even on the 5 raid fights it is good, its an rng fuckfest lottery
green laurel
Yeah I need to remove it. Got it this week.
left hatch
CoF minor isn't spectacular, CnS or sphere are better options
green laurel
I'll strip it off later. Not even sure I've seen it proc!
left hatch
(sphere you only need rank 1 so its very fast to aquire)
green laurel
Yeah this is one issue I'm having, essences seem to be time gated
ionic fern
Try to get a better trinket than Sporepods(Lingering Psychic Shell,Vita,BlackDragon scale, GoreBlock)
Also, do you raid on the warrior?
green laurel
Not at all
smoky wave
Yay for team 
. One day something better will drop, one day π
green laurel
I'm not against it as such, I just prefer m+, tends to fit my time more now. Can drop on for 2 hours and logg
@left hatch what is the exact name of that essence?
ionic fern
Well, anyways let the gear be what it is.
If you're feeling squishy chances are it's more down to your group/gameplay.
Have you by any chance logged your m+ runs?
left hatch
Conflict and Strife (annoying and time consuming to get but our best minor) or Sphere of Suppresion (3rd best minor-ish but super easy to pick up)
green laurel
I havnt. Is there an add-on for that?
left hatch
you also are picking the 'tank specific' midle row traits on a few pieces
generally those traits are awful
the defensive value they provide for us is very very low
left hatch
so try to pick up Overwhelming Power or Unstable Flame
and failing that the static stat things in that row like LifeSpeed
still pagoda
Conflict and Strife (annoying and time consuming to get but our best minor)
Not just our
still 3 weeks away from it
green laurel
Don't suppose you have a link to your io or armory?
ornate magnet
do you guys run null for ML?
left hatch
yeh basically the best minor for everyone lol
ornate magnet
18+
ionic fern
I'm rocking CnS 2..mostly because i just can't be bothered with PvP. π¦
left hatch
ehhh not generally
tyranical week maybe
but you're basically only taking it for last 2 bosses which is a feels bad
ionic fern
You will be fine if played properly.
left hatch
is your group gonna be hearthing out at rixxa to swap talents and such
peak grail
i swithc out to null and surrender for last 2 bosses ML tyran
green laurel
So keep my other essences for now, but pick up sphere for cof?
still pagoda
I'm rocking CnS 2..mostly because i just can't be bothered with PvP. π¦
I just get conquest cap and go on. Want to buy it on my monk rn without doing PvP('cause i'm low on gold on horde side rn. Well, ally is no exception here since i'm not really inclined to farm gold)
left hatch
its 1000% not worth to run No Surrender from the start however
only swap that if you guys are hearthing out
still pagoda
^