AD is really our weak point though. I think our highest timed one is still only a 17
#protection
warm plinth
still pagoda
i've pulled whole WCM backyard 5 times by now
warm plinth
But we just never get AD
still pagoda
wall pulls gonna wall pull
sick sentinel
AD is deceptively difficult
sick sentinel
Yeah you have to scream through that place
warm plinth
Literally have to play perfect
sick sentinel
We timed our 20 by like less than 10 seconds and we had 3 deaths
warm plinth
We're doing better each time though at least
warm plinth
Our other 20 that we did was 3 1/2 mins over, so we made up 3 minutes
still pagoda
once i'll get better foothold on horde
first 2 things to do will be to find M+ group and a raiding guild
still pagoda
nope
still pagoda
sick sentinel
Get it out of my sight
sturdy dome
well then
still pagoda
It's Sporepod tier bro
sturdy dome
I just feel really squish this week :p when i run cns major instead of vop trying to keep threat on targets
sick sentinel
Don’t run CnS major
still pagoda
Don't run CnS major
sick sentinel
Run vop
still pagoda
inting
sturdy dome
Even when having to kite for my life facepulling an entire freehold?
grand drum
Bounding stride and run away to reset stacks
sick sentinel
Prot has all the tools to live through like 40 stacks of necrotic
I usually don’t even consider kiting until I hit 30
sturdy dome
Yeah i get to 45
still pagoda
Even when having to kite for my life facepulling an entire freehold?
@sturdy dome
BRO. I do this all the time and my highest timed key is FH done like this
sick sentinel
Leap away
sturdy dome
im like BOISE WE GOIN IN HARD FINNA 6 CHEST THIS BITCH
but i should always run vop major and for minors cns sotw and Aegis?
main vault
depletes the key
sturdy dome
Or swap aegis for lucid?
sick sentinel
There you go
still pagoda
always VoP major and CnS minor
sturdy dome
it sometimes happens
i only have like 4 days played on this prot warr coming from dps main lol
strong forum
that trinket is literally the worst trinket in the game
still pagoda
VoP major
CnS/Lucid/Aegis/Warden/Null/Formless
sturdy dome
It's coming to higher keys tanking is when it gets rough
still pagoda
CnS being complete minor lock
sick sentinel
Someone get me a modular playing emote
still pagoda
^
sick sentinel
Td is one of the easiest dungeons
main shoal
what are good corruptions besides TD?
potent anvil
Hey, are there any corruption effects which should be prio? or just stack td?
still pagoda
Hey, are there any corruption effects which should be prio? or just stack td?
@potent anvil TD
strong forum
TD
still pagoda
STACK
sick sentinel
Not all of us are good at this game Kyothi some of us aim a rogue TD at the wall and throw the key ok don’t judge me
still pagoda
^
potent anvil
so, with the id reset yesterday i'm able 2 equip 1x 12% and 1x 18% and still be less 40 corr, that's great, right?
proven breach
200 echoes per corruption point cost
worthy spire
TD
sick sentinel
Also I agree Td is one of the easiest dungeons with the worst code
coral sphinx
and in raids?
sick sentinel
TD
worthy spire
TD
worthy spire
TD is ur life
main vault
Raid TD
sick sentinel
In world content? TD
main vault
M+ TD
worthy spire
WQ TD
coral sphinx
haha 😄
sick sentinel
Become one with the devastation
coral sphinx
and for survial situations :D? dont call TD 😄
main vault
Farming mog TD
worthy spire
TD
strong forum
its called Toilet Devastation for a reason
main vault
TD
still pagoda
its called Toilet Devastation for a reason [2]
worthy spire
Just proc a TD to kill them and then survive
sick sentinel
For survival? Stuff dies faster and can’t kill you TD
coral sphinx
thats funny 😄
worthy spire
but we're not joking
still pagoda
We're not kidding when we're joking
sick sentinel
Fighting a target dummy believe it or not TD
still pagoda
PvP TD
main vault
AFK in Org TD
coral sphinx
i run with 3x Experdient III and 1x TD III
worthy spire
masturbating TD
still pagoda
AFK in SW TD
sick sentinel
Do you hate pumping
still pagoda
AFK in Dala 2xTD
main vault
Guys
"Leech is great warriors literally take lucid dreams because the leech makes them invincible for some time"
worthy spire
Where'd you get that info
strong forum
sick sentinel
Cracks knuckles
main vault
#guardian
sick sentinel
Did someone say leech
worthy spire
Im not a furry
coral sphinx
Fake news.
worthy spire
Im not in there
still pagoda
sick sentinel
I am in there
worthy spire
sick sentinel
Watch
coral sphinx
Fake news.
still pagoda
coral sphinx
haha 😄
still pagoda
Whirlwind* @worthy spire
still pagoda
one hell of a meme that Najestus vertebrae was
worthy spire
huge
still pagoda
worthy spire
Tbh i dont even remember what was good anymore back then
I think legs and helm
for fury ofc
still pagoda
later on we had talent ring madness
dim harbor
thoughts on naowh running 2x Ineffable truth?
still pagoda
with endless E X E C U T E
worthy spire
I like 1 ineffable truth for more cd uptime
still pagoda
thoughts on naowh running 2x Ineffable truth?
@dim harbor
Just very-very high keys things
worthy spire
Its already really fast but with ineffable you have it like every pack
sick sentinel
IT isn’t bad as a filler
still pagoda
Legion Bloodbath in Antorus tho
sick sentinel
Works really well with prot
undone sun
worthy spire
I loved bloodbath
dim harbor
Looks like IT 2 / TD 3 / Verse 3 @ 32 corruption
still pagoda
and forgot about
dim harbor
debating buying 2 for something to corrupt lol
still pagoda
TD is life
dim harbor
I will when the vendor gets it hah.. I just do'nt want to give up all my haste/verse pieces lol
sick sentinel
In general tho unless you are running the level of keys naowh is with the caliber of players he is... delete what he is doing from your brain
still pagoda
I will when the vendor gets it hah.. I just do'nt want to give up all my haste/verse pieces lol
@dim harbor
You don't need much verse in keys tho
like
don't stack it
until the highest keys
sick sentinel
If you start getting smoked in like 23/24 then you can maybe explore it
worthy spire
is there a TD emote we can spam
main vault
this server doesnt allow good emotes
sick sentinel
Nome give me a TD emote
coral sphinx
i dont think always dps oriented corruption are in every situation good.
still pagoda
We need a TD emote we can spam whens omeone asks what corruptions we need
This
sick sentinel
@coral sphinx what level keys are you running
main vault
Well
worthy spire
When ur doing 25 keys
main vault
What you think, and what is true, sometimes dont match up mate
worthy spire
then you can consider other corruptions
main vault
Like, which is better
Taking 2 damage per second for 5 seconds
Or taking 1 damage per second for 11
sick sentinel
And DEALING 10472810 damage per second for the whole dungeon
sick sentinel
🧠
main vault
Because point is the faster mobs die, you less damage overall you take
As long as you can already survive
strange tide
Do you guys deal with thing from beyond or just stay >40 corruption? Or is it just a healer problem and I go for TD8?
warm plinth
We have a lot of utility for TFB. Storm Bolt, fear, spell reflection
still pagoda
^
warm plinth
Also >40 means greater than 40 btw :p
left hatch
i mean... considering even in keys where naowh/nerf are running verse amps
they still have some parts of TD
id say that damage corruptions ARE bis in basically every situation
at the very lest its BiS in every situation us mortals will ever experience
and if you feel like you 'need' defensive corruptions in like... 20's
you're making some serious misplays
and figuring out whats going wrong there is gonna give you much. much more tankiness than verse amps lol
warm plinth
Yes
left hatch
yup
warm plinth
And TFB goes byebye
warm plinth
left hatch
honestly, TFB isn't a big deal
even if you have to soak it
the eye ends up being the bigger issue
main vault
the slow is the worst one
worthy spire
Slow is aids
warm plinth
Slow at the wrong time is brutal
left hatch
i honestly honly notice the slow maybe... once in every 4/5 keys i do
cause dat avatar
warm plinth
My favorite is when I get slowed when harlan cannons are coming out 🙂
warm plinth
Uh
undone sun
👀
warm plinth
Thyme's here, run
main vault
wouldnt be surprised if Thyme has an rss setup for the word Leech
left hatch
yes tier 3 of leech is 8%
and it is 100% not worth considering as an option
even as a filler
marble cipher
Leech is heavily over budget when it comes to corruption per %.
So it's not even possible to meme it
left hatch
even if it was
not worth the opportunity cost
giga high keys would still have the problem of needing verse to avoid 1-shots
lower than that youd want TD to help timer
undone sun
tertiary stats aren't worth their weight in corruption
left hatch
or ilvl
undone sun
well that's a given, and a difference conversation
left hatch
eh people that are drooling over leech corruption are some of the same that thing leech on a piece is worth 10ilvls
in my expereince
inland bolt
dropping 10ilvls in some slots for leech is the play though
undone sun
no
left hatch
don't spread information just to meme please
undone sun
wouldn't even on rings
left hatch
a lot of new prots lurk
inland bolt
wrist, rings, maybe feet or belt
undone sun
fuck off
left hatch
if you're being serious. you're absolutely wrong
safe quartz
Im a vampire bro I leech what can I say
warm plinth
Thyme, you know you have a way with words sometimes
inland bolt
youre saying the secondaries on a wrist is not worth dropping for leech?
undone sun
correct
inland bolt
🥶
undone sun
leech does not have more value than any other stat
left hatch
its not just secondaries? armor stam and mainstat are a factor as well
inland silo
item level gives more than secondaries
undone sun
sometimes straight to the point @warm plinth
left hatch
has he tried to peddle his 4head snakeoil before
left hatch
rip
main vault
Just yesterday
inland bolt
what did I say just yesterday?
left hatch
its just inferior to TD lol
left hatch
in giga-high keys maybe
main vault
Yeah thats not what you said
left hatch
but its more likely itll be a mixture of TD/IT and verse amp
which is what already is happening
left hatch
based on your msgs it comes off that yo'ure pushing verse% stacking as a viable alternative to the meta
in any level of key
inland bolt
when did I say that?
left hatch
full vers% is a legit build though
@inland bolt
its just that no one had the option to run full vers amp set as well
@inland bolt
inland bolt
yeah it is, I didnt say it was better than TD
left hatch
but saying vers% isnt a 'legit' build when no one has had the option to try it is kinda weird
@inland bolt
"legit"
main vault
No point in arguing, he is the type to nitpick semantics to be right
left hatch
implies that its a viable alternative
inland bolt
why is it not a viable alternative?
left hatch
because its in every way inferior lol
worthy spire
Wait did i start a leech war
left hatch
you don't need a vast amount of verse for survivability
because the limiting factor on cap in lower keys is interrupts, not your own survivability
inland bolt
but people will soon lol and they already do
strong forum
Leech always brings out the worst in tank cords
inland bolt
going full vers sockets on war, with the option for vers% amps youre gaining alot
strong forum
A never ending discussion of memes
left hatch
but that build is objectively worse
worthy spire
PogU
inland bolt
you won't do TD damage, but youll be on high vers
worthy spire
This is why we need a TD emote
left hatch
and what does that high verse give you
main vault
"you wont be as good, but at least youll have vers"
left hatch
how does that help your group
main vault
literally what he just argued
left hatch
and in 26 you'll stack enough verse to survive with perfect play
which is already the meta
main vault
Oh man I dont have the patience for stupid right now, see ya later Wars
left hatch
and everything beyond that bare minimum will go to TD to help timer
undone sun
nothing new, it was already said that it's niche to high keys
do you know what niche means
worthy spire
Nexii dont leave pepehands
neat crow
new to prot warr here, usually play veng DH or blood DK, what do we mainly do to play around necrotic affixes? is bounding stride an option this week or is it not worth? when i've been playing in pugs i've been trying to intercept to allies to kite, but puggers basically stand in the room so i have nowhere to intercept to.
main vault
Nope this is yalls guy now
left hatch
i usually run bounding stride
worthy spire
Dont leave me alone
left hatch
since this season
warm plinth
If you're playing properly, you can typically face tank to 30-35 stacks pretty comfortably @neat crow and then just shockwave/leap away to reset if you need to
inland bolt
yeah but its still a build people will run in high keys? how am I wrong?
undone sun
no one said otherwise
warm plinth
The idea is to kite when it's convenient, not when you're going to die right now if you don't
left hatch
really useful for the obelisks and you don't really need the additional range on TC
undone sun
it was stated multiple times now that it's niche towards high keys
left hatch
because you never specified high keys, niche play
neat crow
yeah i've been trying that, i just find it a bit harder than on my DH whilst limit testing due to a lack of gear & overpulling as a limit test LOL
left hatch
you presented it as a general use viable build alternative
main vault
Because there are like 5-10 tanks in the world doing that level of key
undone sun
people have been saying it's for high keys, but you still find time to argue
¯_(ツ)_/¯
main vault
and none of us are one of them
main vault
Leech is just as stupid
worthy spire
Im one 🙂
worthy spire
Im naowh
main vault
not only leech, but saying youd drop 10 ilvl for leech
main vault
On anything is wrong
5 ilvl on anything is wrong
anything other than the same piece that just happens to also have leech is wrong
left hatch
you present speculation as if it fact, which spreads misinformation
main vault
And that mentiality is why you will never need the Vers "build"
undone sun
the last discussion about it didn't end on an agreement, and you brought up another shit take argument about leech
left hatch
and its a problem when a LOT of people that visit this discord are new prots, will see your 4head statements about leech
and think its ok to drop ilvl for tertiaries
actively hurts the community
main vault
People read shit like that and think its true, them come back asking why they take so much dmg
left hatch
we forgive you
worthy spire
Thanks
main vault
Its gotta get squashed anyways
left hatch
and you should have seen s2
main vault
But, funnily enough, not the hottest take Ive seen today
left hatch
few world first ppl ran siphoning for a key or 2
and all of a sudden leech became the most important thing to stack
undone sun
streamers 😴
left hatch
to the crowd that 'sees it happen once, must be meta'
main vault
"Leech is great warriors literally take lucid dreams because the leech makes them invincible for some time"
inland bolt
dropping like 30 strength(when we have 12k+), 80 stam (when we have 29k+) and 5-6 secondaries for 90 leech
worthy spire
Dude where did you get that qoute from
inland bolt
doesnt sound like the play to you?
left hatch
nope
undone sun
you're already dropping more stats than you are gaining in leech
how is that even close to considerable
left hatch
seems like a net loss in every conceivable way
undone sun
you overvalue leech way too much
left hatch
even if you're being generous and assume leech works with TD (which it doesn't)
it wouldn't be worth it
inland bolt
i'm just a casual prot warrior, so please explain to me if its that thoroughly decided in the community - is there some maths on it?
left hatch
if you want math @ionic fern would be the guy for numbers
worthy spire
Okay guys
left hatch
but just eyeballing it
worthy spire
I did a dungeon
I have 120 leech, and it healed me for 1.07m
That's looking pretty fucking mediocre
left hatch
why would 1,000 hps (if you're doing 50k without TD)
main vault
So you got 1.5ish hp bars, over an entire dungeon
worthy spire
Ye well about 1.2 hp bars for me
1.3 ish
It healed less than my victory rush
I got 13 victory rushes
worthy spire
ye insane
main vault
and didnt even have to give up ilvl
worthy spire
indeed
main vault
In fact, leech is MORE valuable with higher ilvl
left hatch
ending combat 1/2 a second faster is a bigger boon to survivability than that amount of leech lul
and thats putting aside the increase to armor, stam, and the increase to IP size
worthy spire
But wait i've got more
worthy spire
My resounding protection BEING A TANK did about 450k more "healing" than the leech
left hatch
RP is pretty solid
inland bolt
but at the cost of 30 strength (0.2% of your strength), 5 secondary stat(0.09% of your secondary stat) and 80 stamina (0.2% of your stamina)
worthy spire
Yes but as a tank you insta delete it
left hatch
its my go-to if the piece doesn't IV
inland bolt
none of these are even close to 1% loss in any of these stats comparatively
left hatch
noone said it was close to a 1% loss
main vault
Who said anything about 1%
left hatch
but you also gain nothing
1000 hps is actually nothing on a tank that cares nothing about self-healing
worthy spire
Okay i didnt really wanna be serious in this discussion, but SURELY if literally everyone is disagreeing you must be wrong somewhere
Unless ur more insane than all of us combined ofcourse 🧠
main vault
in the wow world, .2% of anything is massive
inland bolt
if thats the case why are most of the tanks pushing keys sniping leech gear even at base 465 - it seems like this discord vs the world rn
inland bolt
its not even streamers, its just tanks that do keys in general
worthy spire
You're not the world
daring bay
Start
inland bolt
im asking for maths on it
main vault
You are grossly misunderstanding
daring bay
what is happening here btw?
main vault
You know why they want 465 with Leech
strong forum
leech
worthy spire
You're not asking, you're kind of making shit up
inland bolt
if youre stronly pushing that the value you gain from leech is not worth it, and youre that adamant on it surely theres maths on it
strong forum
Yet again
trail dome
@daring bay 🍿 here you go
left hatch
beyond that, yo'ure wrong lol
main vault
Not even talking about leech
left hatch
looked at top 3 in the world prot warriors
daring bay
🍿 crunch Crunch
main vault
Just the corruption
main vault
So if they are going to corrupt stuff, they are farming the only farmable source of gear they have
which is 465
left hatch
so...... were just pulling shit outta the air now to try and prove a failing point
worthy spire
Holy shit imma bring up leech tomorrow again
main vault
Guess what?
worthy spire
Shits great
strong forum
I wish they'd remove the stat
main vault
Holy hell just spewing bullshit
strong forum
This discussion happens every other day
main vault
Its like The Exorcist in here with so much spewing
inland bolt
what bullshit am i spewing, im asking for you to back up what youre saying with something we can look at
if youre that for it
left hatch
no the bullshit
is that you're claiming tanks are sniping leech pieces
pull up io right now. in the top 3 tanks there is only 1 leech piece
main vault
You are right, they are sniping leech pieces
left hatch
and its on a TD1 piece
left hatch
so they clearly arn't using them in general use
inland bolt
because there was no need to snipe leech pieces back then, now you can corrupt and socket them
inland bolt
even the top chinese warriors are wearing full leech before the changes
main vault
Which is better
The 475 pieces they have with no corruption
Or a 465 with corruption
inland bolt
you can check on warcraftlogs, theyre doing 27s which are higher than the tanks youre checking on r.io rn
undone sun
are you doing 27s
left hatch
i mean 2 of hte top 3 are chinese lol
main vault
Yes, again, leech
inland bolt
I'm not, hes arguing that no one does it
left hatch
and no leech
main vault
They are literally getting hundreds of pieces of a gear a week
inland bolt
and saying names from top 3
undone sun
so it doesn't matter
left hatch
im saying its not the meta
main vault
So if they had the choice between piece A, or Piece A with leech, which would they choose
worthy spire
No but there's no reason to bring this 27 key shit up in a regular discord where people asking for builds are usually NEW, NEW players do not play 27s
daring bay
Guys so i have a question, i heard leech is really good. Should i be using Siphoning enchant? :)
main vault
The only frustrating part is you arent understanding what they are doing at a very fundamental level
and just want to argue
undone sun
circling back to the verse builds, it's very niche and min maxed for cutting edge situations, it's not viable for the average player. but even then i wouldn't go leech
worthy spire
@daring bay LOL
undone sun
@daring bay 🗞️
trail dome
i really don't understand siphoning's budgeting
inland bolt
@worthy spire but we're not talking about the general case
left hatch
you're presenting it as the general case
left hatch
"dropping 10 ilvls on xyz piece for leech IS the play"
that infers its ALWAYS the play
trail dome
Like, did they maybe look at some healer's stat weights and go "Oh leech is op lets make siphoner really expensive."
left hatch
in every situation
undone sun
people don't copy MDI builds because some one did it in MDI
inland bolt
for leech sure, id run TD's in lower keys as well
id only run the vers% in higher keys
left hatch
what is a higher key to you
main vault
the only reason they are wearing leech is because they have the option of the same ilvl and etc pieces, and one has leech
14
undone sun
^
left hatch
which is the entire point weve been making. its not worth ilvl lol
worthy spire
Oh boy am i excited to bring it up later
undone sun
that's the only situation i'd ever have leech
inland bolt
but all you've said it that its useless, you havent actually showed math to back it up
undone sun
you're just nitpicking
left hatch
id stack leech in like... early legion when it bypassed leech
inland bolt
how am I?
main vault
Literally all he ever does
left hatch
^
main vault
I wonder if the pushers will still farm 465
worthy spire
^^
inland bolt
so this disc isnt for theorycrafting? its for the avg player to ask questions already in the pins?
main vault
Since they said they fixed the recorrupting thing today
worthy spire
Well
undone sun
no one reads the pins
left hatch
you arn't theorycrafting.
main vault
You aren’t theorycrafting
undone sun
"no one"
left hatch
you present this shit as if its fact
main vault
You are feelycrafting
sick sentinel
Have I been summoned to discuss leech
worthy spire
Arguing isnt theorycrafting
trail dome
@main vault i know andy is still farming leech right now in tol.
worthy spire
YES
trail dome
🤷♂️
worthy spire
HAWGZ
left hatch
you don't say "hey maybe this will be good" you give definitive statements about how "IT IS THE PLAY"
undone sun
you missed a whole "discussion"
sick sentinel
I will be good boy thyme
left hatch
which is wrong
undone sun
hawgz will just agree NotLikeThis
left hatch
and then you spend 20 minutes making a pendantic argument where you present no real points and pull things out your ass to further assert that "its the play"
that isn't theorycrafting
its not discussion
its blatantly spreading misinformation to validate your own shitty strats
inland bolt
if youre sold that it isn't viable, why isn't there math on it - I'm making the assumption its legit because alot of tanks are grinding for it rn. youre making the assumption its not because you were told by someone else in this disc. I'm just asking what youre basing it on
its not even about theory crafting, its about a discussion
main vault
Ok
inland bolt
but its all circlejerk
main vault
So why are they grinding for it
undone sun
seeing top players do it is just as bad as parroting information so really you're not any better given you own description
🙃
main vault
tbf just saying I saw someone do it is literally just parroting info
left hatch
reeing about seeing the reciepts isn't an argument, esp when i already said mwahi most likely has calculations about that
undone sun
😉
sick sentinel
Never ever drop 10 ilvl for leech. Sure it’s nice to have if you have equal pieces at equal but you are not and will likely never be as good as top players so quit worrying about what they are doing
inland bolt
@left hatch then i've asked you to share that
because that would probably end the discussion
sick sentinel
Let me try
sick sentinel
Hey mwahi are you there
trail dome
👀
sick sentinel
Nope he’s not around sorry guy
main vault
"Leech is great warriors literally take lucid dreams because the leech makes them invincible for some time"
inland bolt
youre getting triggered because I won't agree with you unless I get some math on it
undone sun
it's 3am for mwahi atm
left hatch
noones triggered
sick sentinel
I’m triggered
undone sun
hawgz is in a perpetual state of triggered
sick sentinel
I woke up from my nap cause I had a feeling there was a leech discussion
I didn’t know it was a stupid one
worthy spire
Hawgz felt it
left hatch
i could care less if you stack leech personally, i just feel sorry for your group
undone sun
couldn't care less
left hatch
its the new prot lurkers that you are helping to ruin the experience for
undone sun
😏
undone sun
lmao yeah, means there's still room to care
trail dome
Enormous pet peeve of mine.
undone sun
it's a common mistake tbh
inland bolt
you are convinced its legit because other people in this disc said thats what youre meant to think, in the end youre also just parroting what theyve said is correct
undone sun
🤣
trail dome
My ex (who is american) used to say it and dear lord it got up my nose.
left hatch
im parroting what players far better than you and I have actively said
and mwahi, who actually sims this shit out has said
vs..... you who see a stream once
inland bolt
im just parroting what players that are currently pushing are doing
sick sentinel
wait is that fake shawruss or real shawruss?
inland bolt
its not, my arugment is that you're arguing that it is
worthy spire
Honestly, majority if the people asking questions here are people that are fairly new to prot. If someone asks what the ideal stats are and ur out here telling them they should stack leech because they do it in +27s is just kinda pepega
inland bolt
I'm not
left hatch
and even beyond that. you're STILL presenting it as something all players should do
despite realizing that only world first key pushers are doing it
inland bolt
you're pushing that still
limpid pawn
is expedient still something people go for?
sick sentinel
Sure as a filler
limpid pawn
or are we now just all in on TD or verse for "23+ keys"
left hatch
yeh
worthy spire
Yes but why even bring it up if it's literally useless for the majority of the people in here
left hatch
TD5 1Expedient
inland bolt
because the vers% build is a niche build, its not a 'build' in your opinion?
what does that even mean
daring bay
Wouldnt Innefable truth be better? as a filler
sick sentinel
Yeah that’s incorrect
inland bolt
again youre making asumptions
undone sun
it's useless to the average player, don't bring it up
it's useless to the average player, don't bring it up
left hatch
about it being a "legit" build
inland bolt
your behaviour is actually pathetic
left hatch
yes. it infers any key level
undone sun
yes
left hatch
if you don't speciicy
undone sun
how are you not understanding it
sick sentinel
This is making my brain swell
inland bolt
Conflict Major is a "legit build" but you won't recommend it to most prot warriors that do 15s-20s
sick sentinel
I won’t recommend it to someone who does 23*
left hatch
then its not a "legit build"
sick sentinel
trail dome
Not that I have much of a horse in this race but for what it's worth is it not worth farming leech because it's better to have leech that not have leech?
Specifically I know andybrew is farming leech on rings, which are a slot that dropping ilvl barely matters on.
Also also, he did say "Because leech is really good on tanks in m+, it's not good in raids, but it is good in m+." Which I think is maybe a little suspect, personally. I think while the great players often are well, great players, they can often be wrong about what's best or whatever. 🤷♂️ But it's not like a piece isn't better with leech on it. If you could take your whole current set but with leech on every piece you obviously would.
/ramble
left hatch
its a niche build that even above 20 is dubious
undone sun
it's a niche build at that
Legit infers that it's viable for anyone to use, the problem we have is your phrasing
sick sentinel
Not even niche. Nice implies that there may be a situation where most players could use it
left hatch
yeh thats more or less what they're doing it for, to replace pieces of equal ilvl with leech
sick sentinel
Which i believe is false for conflict major
left hatch
Lucid major is a better example for your point htere
neat crow
the thing is with CE players right now is they're trying to race to world first 30 key right?
left hatch
and no. i wouldn't call it a "LEGIT" build with no other information
because that would tell new players they should use it in their 10's
neat crow
and the scenario of ur leech being useful in a 30 key compared to say, ur weekly 15 is completely diff lol
undone sun
i imagine the goal for most key pushers is to get as high as possible, yes
left hatch
yah thats the other half of what hes arguing, he makes no distinction between world first keys and general use
undone sun
which is a completely different goal from the weekly key or the average player
inland bolt
but someone getting confused by the phrase "legit build" becauase they didnt spend time reading the pins or literally opening any wow guide on the internet
undone sun
which means...
inland bolt
is not my fault
undone sun
it's irrelevant
inland bolt
youre literally attacking my phrasing at this point
inland bolt
for 'new' prot warriors that should be reading the pins or just reading guides to begin with
undone sun
because class discords are meant to help people
when you give blatantly wrong information
there are people to correct it
so phrasing is important
inland bolt
you literally have an emote 
left hatch
and if they read the pins then see someone claiming that its a "legit" build it tells them the pins are wrong
neat crow
IMO viewing it its kinda the same as asking why ppl aren't taking 2 unholy DKs and a DH in their keys & snapping half a dungeon's trash onto rezan
left hatch
and they wont use it
left hatch
because you don't tell the CONTEXT its good
worthy spire
Did the leech discussion finally end?
undone sun
you'd also be surprised how many people lurk and how many people don't read the pins
worthy spire
nevermind
left hatch
pins are a starting point, then they come here
undone sun
i've been in class discords since 2016, it never fails that people ask questions that are in the pins
left hatch
if they come here and see you spouting off about builds with no explanation the circumstance its good
they'll assume its viable in all keys
which is 100% on you for spouting off that garbage
and misinforming them
inland bolt
again youre attacking my phrasing on the vers% build
left hatch
its your lack of phrasing
inland bolt
it started with my mentioning two builds
left hatch
your lack of context
inland bolt
i literally asked about IT's
undone sun
read please
inland bolt
and because I mentioned the two builds
instead of saying
build A (SPECIFICALLY FOR HIGH KEYS, please dont get confused)
what kind of logic is that
undone sun
sick sentinel
I am curious why you came in saying you were a casual player and are questioning players who know and play the class far more than you. Forget all that other nonsense.
inland bolt
after i was attacked for saying the build is not viable
inland bolt
getting sweared at seems like an attack
left hatch
yo'ure being called out for spreading misinformation, either intentionally or accidentally
inland bolt
im questioning players better than me because I wnt to know the reason behind your statements
most of your answers are blanket answers without math behind it
left hatch
and then when people explain why the phrasing is problematic
sick sentinel
Sigh
left hatch
you double down with
inland bolt
which is why I wanted more info on it
left hatch
"ITS NOT MY PROBLEM"
stiff oracle
Ppeople tried this in the disc priest discord and instantly got shot down with "This behaviour is not acceptable" - theres no need to be condescending to anyone over any discussion
chill fellas
🙂
wheres the mods when you need them
sick sentinel
What about late
stiff oracle
definitely need them to push a leash on some of you I think 😛
undone sun
who
trail dome
Damn.
trail dome
I member you from tchat
undone sun
😄
stiff oracle
were
undone sun
lmao past tense
i try to be level headed when i can, sometimes it gets the better of me 😄
sick sentinel
Yeah now thyme is just a rude guy who preys on me
undone sun
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
inland bolt
@undone sun
undone sun
yes, i read that
left hatch
i see nothing wrong with thyme there
sick sentinel
I personally am a fan of that response
undone sun
good talk
stiff oracle
classic thyme very measured responses
left hatch
succinct response to stupidity
inland bolt
youre saying that every prot warrrior knows the reasoning behind the leech vs 10ilvls?
left hatch
i mean 10 or so of them tried explaining it to you
left hatch
of course
sick sentinel
Just to be clear... We are here to help you... not to debate dumb things that have been figured out by theory crafters who we interact with regularly
inland bolt
@left hatch if I'm wrong thats fine, I asked for the math behind it - you didnt have it so we wait for mwahi
undone sun
of course not every one knows why leech isn't viable, but if you can do math i'm sure one could figure it out
inland bolt
stop attacking my phrasing because of it
stiff oracle
Im scrolling up looking for the math regarding the leech tradeoff as well
left hatch
im not attacking your phrasing
left hatch
im pointing out how presenting leaps of logic and speculative theorycrafting as fact
is a problem
in a discord channel tailored to helping new people
inland bolt
aren't you doing the same
trail dome
Is the issue with leech not that it's mostly not relevant healing?
inland bolt
without mwahi's math you don't even know your own logic
left hatch
how do i not know the logic? actual stats vs. a smidge of hps
stiff oracle
or are we all feely crafting here
trail dome
But, it's free. Like, if the stat is free then that's obviously nice.
left hatch
and your argument is based on "well i saw a streamer buy some leech pieces"
trail dome
If you could choose to just slap 80 leech on a piece you obviously would.
worthy spire
ye but its not worth dropping 10 item levels for
left hatch
therefore its worth 10 ilvls
inland bolt
that was my argument for 0.2% strength, 0.1% secondaries for 90 leech seems like a fair tradeoff
left hatch
you also forget armor and stamina
inland bolt
its barely a tradeoff, especially on wrist which is why i wanted math on it
left hatch
but ok
main vault
@trail dome leave now or youll never return
left hatch
believe and do what you want
but don't bring in feelycraft builds and present them as if they're meta
please
stiff oracle
Im taking it theres only 1 correct meta build for prot warriors according to you guys too? 😛
for all content
hahaha
Im getting sucked in
trail dome
Weird take
left hatch
eh theres niche builds but thats irrelevent unless you're doing like 25's
trail dome
But leech healing is a constant amount of healing, the way tanks die that kind of constant healing generally isn't that useful.
main vault
Well, that is what meta means
stiff oracle
Thats the take thats being provided here to people reading 😛
main vault
Cant be more than 1 metas
inland bolt
yeah we're all doing 10-15 keys, so theres only one meta for everyone in this game
left hatch
well yah for 99% of content in M+
trail dome
Is what I meant.
left hatch
you run 1 build
trail dome
Like how much did your leech do again?
main vault
No
trail dome
1.5m
main vault
He will get to keep going
sick sentinel
Because he is right
trail dome
See if leech did 1.5m but it only healed if you were under 30% hp that'd be pretty useful. 🤔
sick sentinel
Go looks up what META stands for and you'll probably realize how retarded you sound
trail dome
I don't.... think meta stands for anything?
worthy spire
Well no not for everyone in this game
trail dome
It's greek.
worthy spire
Ur in a skyhold discord at the protection section
stiff oracle
Imagine being a place about discussion but then only pushing 1 single build for all content in the game
yikes
Im out
left hatch
wat
sick sentinel
Have a nice evening
@trail dome it literally stands for most effective tactic available
warm plinth
Meta stands for most effective tactics available
trail dome
The hell.
inland bolt
@sick sentinel and imagine that tactic not being the most effective tactic at everykey level or dungeon
trail dome
I feel like that definition of "meta" absolutely came way after the actual word meta, or metagame.
warm plinth
Hawgz why don’t you love me man
left hatch
you use the same build in every key level to that point
trail dome
Considering meta's greek and means like, all encompassing.
undone sun
the R in proc stands for random
warm plinth
I try so hard to impress
undone sun
not the R in rppm
stiff oracle
I guess leech wouldnt be very useful when you take no damage in sub 20 keys
that does make sense
it interesting that the question was posed regarding 25+ keys
left hatch
what, im not arguing for leech lol
stiff oracle
very interesting
inland bolt
everyone keeps jumping betweeen vers% and leech
left hatch
and my whole take isn't 'is it useful in world first keys' its how he presents it
undone sun
just like you
worthy spire
LOL
undone sun
except you stayed...
worthy spire
Madlad
inland bolt
i mentioned a vers% build, and I mentioned that it isnt better than TD, and I mentioned that its only used in high keys - yet youre still arguing for the sake of it
😂
undone sun
🤣
trail dome
Man you guys are still talking about this shit but really the thing to be annoyed at is the misappropriation of meta as "most effective tactics available."
left hatch
i mean yah it will
trail dome
Which is absolutely not what that word means. 😠
left hatch
the vast majority of players in here
will never have a more optimal build
for the content they do
inland bolt
"google meta" used as an argument... jesus christ
stiff oracle
okay I guess everyone doing key above 20's arent allowed to ask questions in here and pose any sort of discussion
left hatch
they are by all means
stiff oracle
this is a place for +10's to +15's only
left hatch
and we talk about whats good there in context
why are you making this an elitist argument lol
stiff oracle
because thats how you posed it
sick sentinel
Did someone say elitist
left hatch
not in any way
sick sentinel
@warm plinth it’s my moment
stiff oracle
when your only response to a leech build is that its not meta for 99% of all content
its a little sus
almost sounds like you dont know what youre talking about
wintry pendant
Remember gents, measure the dicks from the base of the shaft, not the balls.
stiff oracle
and just got fed your information by some theorycrafters
wintry pendant
Fight clean
stiff oracle
🤔
left hatch
id rather take info directly from players far better than ill ever be
than base my thoughts on 'well i saw it on a stream once'
and do no other thinking beyond that
stiff oracle
Nobody is feeding you information that you have to absorb, a discussion was being had and you shut it down your opinion based on whats good for 99% of all content
you are deciding to get offended over ideas that conflict your own
left hatch
not offended
stiff oracle
sick sentinel
Math sucks. Get a full leech set and go into a 25 key and play with the builds if you want answers different than what are being given to you in this minute
left hatch
he wanted an explanation, and got it
stiff oracle
give me the explanation
left hatch
he wanted numbers, mwahis asleep so those can't be gotten
stiff oracle
Id like to read it too 😛
sick sentinel
Correction
stiff oracle
all I read was that its not meta for 99% of all content
go ahead please
give us your explanation
left hatch
that the amount of stats you sacrifice via ilvl
is not worth the 1000 hps you'll gain from leech
sick sentinel
They could be gotten but no one cares enough about this topic to do the math when mwahi has probably already done it
stiff oracle
^?
warm plinth
You know, this is making me nostalgic
Because at some point in this ridiculousness, Sal would've stepped in and told everyone to shut the fuck up
left hatch
my entire argument about how its not viable in most content is that he presented it that in a way that made it seem good in ALL content
"its the play"
stiff oracle
Morrison
left hatch
when you'll have people doing 10's come in see that, and start dropping for leech