protection

[still pagoda]

gimping haste is inting as a whole

[strong forum]

raging just further increases the time you have to kite

so this week just double downs on "yo i have to kite now"

[wispy canyon]

Is there a haste cap?

[strong forum]

166%, aka no

[warm plinth]

Not a reachable one

[sweet summit]

you still gain CDR on TC and SS past 166%, so why stop there

[strong forum]

okay 166% is softcap*

[sick sentinel]

475 vial of animated blood. Or 400 ilvl blood urchin?

[strong forum]

what

vial ofc

400 ilvl anything just goes right into the trash

[sick sentinel]

Its just the sims for vial seem so low

[strong forum]

how much do you want it to do?

like, urchin is just bad period

[wispy canyon]

So at 2200 haste I should still gem haste?

[strong forum]

yes

[sweet summit]

vial is not optimized in sims

[strong forum]

im at like 3.5k

[still pagoda]

you should HASTE HASTE HASTE

every single item

[sick sentinel]

Thanks man

[still pagoda]

though ilvl is still more priority

[wispy canyon]

So corruption-wise, 12% haste better than Rank 2 Echoing Void?

[strong forum]

offensively debatable
defensively yes

[still pagoda]

haste amps are more balanced

both defensively and offensively

[strong forum]

i mean EV 2 is just flat out 4k dps

[still pagoda]

also... +7 as 400 BrM. It's probably a time to die

[strong forum]

however expedient 3 is 20 corruption EV2 is 35

so by that expedient should win in aoe, in ST EV will win

[ionic fern]

"Hello, is the mechagon Shield any good?????"

[smoky wave]

That's pretty bad.

[still pagoda]

that's just it

everyone knows it's garbage

yet people still ask

[analog oyster]

Anyone already bought some inef truths to test out?

[ionic fern]

What's there to test out exactly?
People are already running IT.

[mild ore]

why would you stack IT on prot

seems silly

[sweet summit]

[still yew]

What cd:s does IT effect?

[still pagoda]

everything

yet it procs rarely

the main purpose of it on prot is to get faster cd on SR

[strong forum]

its 1ppm

[sweet summit]

any warrior ability

all warrior abilities**

works with AM

[still pagoda]

wtf is with the amount of people here on horde side

literally 5-6 times more then ally side

[sweet summit]

what server did you pick?

[still pagoda]

Kazzak

[sweet summit]

cool 👌

[still pagoda]

from second biggest EU ally hub to second biggest horde one

[strong forum]

karton check chat

[sweet summit]

👀

[still pagoda]

👀

wut?

my mind can't understand

ah

[sweet summit]

in game whispers probably

[strong forum]

na, not whispers

https://i.imgur.com/KdPdq7n.png

[still pagoda]

smh didn't show up in my chat

[strong forum]

lmao

[still pagoda]

well, that doesn't really matter)

[marble cipher]

Should we buy anything other than TD corruption, ever? (M+, 15-18 range)

[strong forum]

i wont

i need 1x TD3

[still pagoda]

I need 1 TD3

And that's all

[sweet summit]

i need TD5

[still pagoda]

Not gonna bother buying anything else

[marble cipher]

I kinda wanna replace my 410 ring with TD3, but that doesn't 'sit' right with me, spending that amount just for a swap in gear

[still pagoda]

Well

[marble cipher]

(running TD5 atm)

[sweet summit]

get more TD

[still pagoda]

It is the end of expansion

[sweet summit]

never enough TD

[chilly brook]

@still pagoda I mean horde is just better

Visually and in terms of having a healthy pve scene

[still pagoda]

Well

Even healthy lower keys

Smh

At least out of those small ones i've did rn

[sweet summit]

same players, just more really

[still pagoda]

and that kinda decreases chances to get idiots in groups

[strong forum]

im running TD5 but its TD1 + 2x TD2, i want TD3 so i can run TD4 + IT1 + expedient3

and drop my 445 pants

and get like 200 haste

out of that

[still pagoda]

i run TD1+TD2+Exp2 with TD2 being on crit haste ring from Drest and TD1 being on 465 crit verse gloves

and i would really like TD3 on my shield to put 465 gloves with haste and socket

[lime wing]

Has anybody tried to delete and recover an incorruptible item to see if it becames corruptible?

[strong forum]

yes

[warm plinth]

They keep the bonus id of a cleansed item so it still won't work.

[wispy locust]

is it worth it to run c&s major for necrotic?

[sweet summit]

no

VoP owns

[marble cipher]

If you have any other 'slow' in your party, the root doesn't work.
That's not an answer, I know, just saying 😜

[sweet summit]

any slow 30% or greater will "remove" the root factor

[wispy locust]

ah okay ty

[modern brook]

U can run heroic leap and not need cns major

:^)

[steady slate]

i tried to add corruption to an item i'd previously added a socket to and it didn't work

[modern brook]

Make a ticket?

[steady slate]

no, i didn't. i thought maybe that was how the system worked

[modern brook]

Idts I'd make a ticket

There was issues with corrupting previously purified pieces

But I heard they fixed that before roll put

[steady slate]

i put the corruption on my weapon instead, so i have a nice 465 with expedient 3 and a bit of leech

[modern brook]

Oof I woulda held onto that

U just cursed urself into getting a 475

[steady slate]

i've had awful luck with corruptions, so i had lots of places to put it

i doubt i'll see a 475. i'm only comfortable tanking in the +12 to +14 range and i don't raid tank. my shaman is my raid toon.

[past berry]

I see a lot of people running elucid dreams major for high keys, is that because of the leech?

[steady slate]

there's a pin explaining it

[past berry]

Ah ok

[steady slate]

does a better job explaining than i could

[modern brook]

[steady slate]

mainly because the guy who wrote knows what he's talking about and i don't.

[modern brook]

It boils down to lucid is a fuck ton of rage gen --> a fuck ton of active CD for stupid mongo pulls required to make time in a 25

[sweet summit]

its because you get 40sec of avatar, aka crit block. and a lot of IP spam

the leech is just a minor bonus

[modern brook]

And until that level of survivability is necessary, vop is just betyer

[sweet summit]

yep

[steady slate]

how does it give you 40 seconds of avatar?

[modern brook]

A fuck ton of rage gen

[sweet summit]

anger management

[steady slate]

ah

[modern brook]

==> a fuck ton of rage dump ===> am==> more avatar

[steady slate]

i was thinking you meant it directly gave you extra avatar and i was trying to figure out how

[strong forum]

by using rage to reduce its CD

[steady slate]

i couldn't make use of it. i can't hit revenge fast enough or dump into IP without wasting tons

[past berry]

I guess that is a really strong essence to run in the minor slot?

[strong forum]

you have to waste tons

thats the whole idea of IP

its a ragedump

you wanna use the rage

its not a waste if you use it, its a waste if you ragecap

[steady slate]

i'll be happy to get execute back as a rage dump. i'm still unhappy they took it away

[sweet summit]

you dont wanna hit revenge ideally

[steady slate]

well, if i'm hitting IP after it's maxed, then isn't that wasted?

[sweet summit]

no

because it feeds into AM

overcapping IP isnt something to worry about

[modern brook]

Ips shield is negligible

[sweet summit]

IP is just to dump rage really

[steady slate]

it isn't? i thought it was supposed to be avoided

[strong forum]

overcapping IP is irrelevant, like i said, its a ragedump

[modern brook]

It literally reads "reduce avatars cd by 2 seconds, and maybe take less damage or something"

[strong forum]

lmao

[steady slate]

lol

so they should rename it nom noms?

[modern brook]

Ip was worth worrying about in legion when it was a 90% absorb that stacked to 300% or whatever it was

[steady slate]

but does that philosophy hold true at the low dungeons i'm tanking?

[strong forum]

yes

[modern brook]

Yes

[strong forum]

it always applies

[sweet summit]

yes : ^)

[modern brook]

At low dungeons ur not even a tank

Ur just a dps that csnt die

[strong forum]

^

[steady slate]

a bad one.

[strong forum]

what

[modern brook]

Clearly ur not avataring enough

[steady slate]

my dps is atrocious and i'm frustrated trying to raise it

[strong forum]

then youre clearly doing smth wrong

[steady slate]

i use it on cd, but i'm not using it effectively

[modern brook]

^

It's your cd xd

Just pull around ur avatar lol

[steady slate]

yeah, i'm definitely doing something wrong. just not sure what.

[past berry]

I thought you only used revenge on procs

[steady slate]

i think part of the problem is i have to pull small or my healers can't keep me alive.

[sweet summit]

you kinda do tuda

[modern brook]

You would use it without a proc if u are not threatened at all/have an ip up already

[steady slate]

most dungeons, last stand and shield wall are never off cd.

[past berry]

I'm guessing the only time you would use it outside of the proc is if your IP was basically full?

[modern brook]

In which case turning ur rage dump into a minimal damage increase is p good

[sweet summit]

if you're not taking damage and wanna get some extra damage out

is when i revenge without procs

[modern brook]

^
Better way to say it

[steady slate]

what about using reckless flurry for the extra auto attack damage?

[modern brook]

For dungeons?

[sweet summit]

is a thing for shadhar maybe

thats about it

[modern brook]

Hang on

[sweet summit]

im hanging

[modern brook]

this is an example breakdown of our damage

blue == thunder clap; purple == td, orange == ss

grey is everything else

[past berry]

Ok I will ask a dumb question... keep in mind I've been playing a vengeance DH this expac, so it's very different... I'm assuming I'm supposed to chain shield blocks back to back except when I need to hold it for a "tank buster" type mechanic, which I usually combo it with another big cd, such as last stand or shield wall

[modern brook]

this is why u dont use reckless flurry in dungeons

[steady slate]

i'm using 2x iron fortress along with 3x BOM and a DC right now.

gotcha

[modern brook]

sound fine

[rigid sinew]

@past berry dont combo LS with SB if u r using bolster talent, which u should be using

[sweet summit]

you want to have 100% uptime when taking blockable damage @past berry

you can drop it for a sec if you know the boss is gonna do a cast soon

[past berry]

I didnt think that was possible

[sweet summit]

etcetc

[modern brook]

Bolster makes LS give u 100% block

[sweet summit]

its close

but you cant get 100% raw uptime on block

[past berry]

So I should just use IP to fill the gaps before the tank buster mechanic?

[modern brook]

^ you're not always taking blockable damage

[sweet summit]

cycling sield block/last stand(with bolster talented) and shield wall, youre good

[modern brook]

in which case burning rage into SB is wasted, for obvious reasons

[sweet summit]

IP is just a rage dump

but you want to keep rage so you can use SB

[steady slate]

definitely.

i'm bad about double tapping shield block.

[modern brook]

thats just fear

[past berry]

Ok and what do you guys do for heavy magic fights?

[modern brook]

cry

[sweet summit]

like where?

[modern brook]

spend like 12 hours looking up whats spell reflectable

do it once

[sweet summit]

most magic damage is avoidable

[modern brook]

feel special

then cry

[steady slate]

pray for heals, then hit spell reflect, pray some more, hit healing pot, pray some more, then die

[sweet summit]

you have IP/spell reflect/demo shout/sheild wall

[past berry]

Maut has a ton of magic damage

[sweet summit]

LoS, kicks, stuns, externals etcetc

[modern brook]

dont we tank adds on maut?

[sweet summit]

we do

[modern brook]

<-- not a raider

[sweet summit]

ideally

[hollow brook]

Ineffable Truth for prot warrior worth or not?

[sweet summit]

i dont raid as prot, but i have some knowledge

[warm basalt]

does it make sense to use 475 Rezan's eye over a 475 sigil that has a socket? unbuffed haste is at 69% thanks to expedient being on sale this week. My other trinket is psychic shell

[sweet summit]

IT is a good filler

[modern brook]

Theres worse and also better @hollow brook

[past berry]

The 3rd boss in motherlode etc

[sweet summit]

yes, get rid of sigils

[modern brook]

if it doesnt break your bracket go for it

I wouldnt work around it though, personally

[sweet summit]

on rixxa you just pray that your healer can heal

[modern brook]

Just more haste/td plz

[sweet summit]

and reflect the DoT

[hollow brook]

@modern brook aye ty sir

[modern brook]

@warm basalt is the sigil the on use mainstat?

or am i thinking of something else?

[past berry]

And what haste should I be looking for? I'm currently at 34% unbuffed with 1 haste corruption

[sweet summit]

maut trinket ye?

[warm basalt]

yeah

[sweet summit]

its bad

get rid of it

[modern brook]

^

its expulsum

[sick sentinel]

Throw in TRASH

[sweet summit]

@past berry as much as your highest ilvl gear allows you to have

[past berry]

That's what I've been doing

[still pagoda]

Throw in TRASH TEEMING

[steady slate]

i'm running about the same @past berry

[modern brook]

TBH

[still pagoda]

next week tho

[sweet summit]

then you're set 👌

[past berry]

This guy only runs keys and does our heroic clears, I have to bring the DH to mythic until his gear is caught up

[modern brook]

the only time you should ever have gearing questions in prot is on your trinkets and very niche senarios w/ azerite

[steady slate]

i'm using a 460 humming dragonscale and either a 465 mek'thra fang or 475 vial of animated blood. i'm not sure which one is better

[modern brook]

everything else plays itself until you're doing like 25+'s

[sweet summit]

fang would be more damage

[modern brook]

They changed how fang works on me so i have no comment on that

but personally i would use vial

[steady slate]

i really don't like the channel

[modern brook]

^ because of that

[sweet summit]

yeah, thats the downside

[still pagoda]

i really don't like the channel
@steady slate

Welcome to the toxic pit

[modern brook]

a) you cant block or parry (or both idr which)

and b) we dont have empty globals

[sweet summit]

c) you cant move unless you're a dk

[modern brook]

so we have to warp our rotation around it

[still pagoda]

our own toxic pit where we hate on all the noobs who gear verse and do everything improperly

[steady slate]

umm... i meant the channeling effect. this discord channel is fine.

[still pagoda]

ah

xD

[sweet summit]

LMFAO

[still pagoda]

sorry

[modern brook]

pin that plz :^)

[still pagoda]

:D

[steady slate]

is vial meant to be used with avatar or should i aim to use it on cd?

[sick sentinel]

This channel is fine :’)

[sweet summit]

the first TC inside demo and avatar is when youpop it

[sick sentinel]

Guys we got good feedback

[still pagoda]

the channel itself is good

)

[sweet summit]

so avatar->clap->demo->vial+clap

[modern brook]

I believe AM mamkes it so every 2nd or 3rd avatar lines up with vial

[steady slate]

ok. i'll try that. i've been going demo>avatar>vial>clap>clap>

[past berry]

I have 460 black dragonscale and void trinket from raden cause blizzard hates me, and the 460 writhing segment trinket

[modern brook]

IDR which tho

but rosjen has the order dwon

[sweet summit]

you are gonna lose aggro like that mate

gotta clap

[past berry]

I'm assuming I should use dragonscale and segment trinket, is that correct?

[modern brook]

Your opener should be charge w/ avatar -> clap -> demo -> clap

[sweet summit]

if you dont have anything else, yeah

[coarse ferry]

i run 460 humming and 470 nzoth trinket or for easy content humming and vita

[sweet summit]

always vita

always

[coarse ferry]

hummer has a higher uptime over vita

[steady slate]

i've been doing it wrong

[coarse ferry]

humming*

[past berry]

I know, I just dont have it atm

[modern brook]

i would use vita over nzoth in higher too

[sweet summit]

vita is static haste+big hasteproc+buffs party

[past berry]

And I haven't seen nzoth trinket either

[sweet summit]

its not that needed

we're mostly fine without it

im not using it in my 22s and 23s

using it for ML tho

thats about it

[modern brook]

Ultimately, we're at a point in gearing

[coarse ferry]

what healer do you typically run with rosjen?

[modern brook]

where if ur dying to a raid boss, you're playing poorly

[sweet summit]

druid/hpal

depends

i have two

[modern brook]

and if ur dyingina key, either ur playing poorly or its a super high key

[steady slate]

22s and 23s... i'll get there. i'm trying to get that first 15 done in time this week.

[coarse ferry]

ah, i only run with a resto sham so since their tank heals lack i find nzoth trinket more valuable

in 20s

helps in oh shit moments lol

[past berry]

I have to pug mostly because outside of raids i only play at night when the baby is asleep, but i dont find that i need a ton of healing except really big pulls

[steady slate]

i tend to have to pug healers. it's a crapshoot. most are ok. worst luck i've had is with disc priests

[modern brook]

thats not the disc priests fault

[still pagoda]

^

[modern brook]

disc just cant actually do dungeons

blizzard wont let them

[lean ermine]

hey guys im new to the channel and new to prot war tanking

[modern brook]

👋

[sweet summit]

hello 👋

[past berry]

My disc priest buddy just runs holy for keys

[sweet summit]

holy monkaS

[modern brook]

may i suggest you check out the and #268491842637660160 for some quick and dirty to the spec? @lean ermine

[sweet summit]

disc owns

[modern brook]

Disc owns yeah

a PUG disc?

[past berry]

He says he hates running keys as disc

[modern brook]

with a tank who doesnt know how to play with a disc?

now we're getting pretty 😬

[sweet summit]

fair point xd

[steady slate]

i figured it had to do with how they healed.

[sick sentinel]

tank that has no idea how to play with disc priest

[modern brook]

Like you have to pull into Bursting

or they cant heal the bursting

[sick sentinel]

Me <===

[modern brook]

ITs dopey as shit

soyou'll have like 7 stacks and u have to be like

OK NERDS LLETS GO

and just trust the guy

i cant do that in a pug

[lean ermine]

really the help i need is picking essences but i wont be doing high lvl m+ just yet

[sick sentinel]

I have a paladin

[modern brook]

but if you dont the guys just sitting there passing shadow mends out

[steady slate]

vision for a main

[modern brook]

Both those resources cover it

[sweet summit]

vision major
CnS+Lucid+sphere/aegis/void/warden minors for m+

[modern brook]

But your priotity is VoP and Lucid

[sick sentinel]

Tanking bursting with a paladin... doesn’t care if you pop 12 stacks at once just don’t reset it lul

[sweet summit]

hpal is dumb

[modern brook]

hpal is dumb

[sweet summit]

can i get one true in the chat?

[sick sentinel]

True?

[sweet summit]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

Got u

[wicked orchid]

So I got a r1 TD in my chest yesterday, last night I was watching the discord and it sounds like IT and Expident are good to have? Should I buy those now or save up for r3 TD? Or are they not even good to have?

[modern brook]

honestly expident is def worth it imo

TD seems to be common enough that i cant really justify buying it

but i may also be speaking from drop-privlege on that

[wet compass]

I have gotten one TD total on warrior :(

[modern brook]

I'm at TD8 on my rogue and 3 on my warrior

but my warrior is all 420s so it doesnt really count

[sick sentinel]

I have 8 on my warrior at 460 or higher I too have been blessed by rngesus

[modern brook]

yeah idk xath

just be better at the game 4Head

[wet compass]

TD7 on DK. Got ny first TD piece on warrior this week which was TD3 both are 475

0 on 470 pally

[modern brook]

TBH

Idt im going to be going above td5

[steady slate]

i guess it's time to do adult things. i have a company webex to pretend to listen to.

[modern brook]

on my warrior

expedient is just too good

More specifically, TD is stupid and dumb and the damage is absurd

[wet compass]

Are they going to fix not being able to corrupt crafted gear?

[modern brook]

but expedient makes me enjoy playing my class more

so

[wicked orchid]

Expident does seem really nice to have, but if I were to get it should I get rid of Surging vit r1? I can also get rid of VR r2 and Strikethrough r3

[sick sentinel]

None of those are as good as expedient

[modern brook]

Surging vit is onproc verse?

yeah they're all worse

[wet compass]

I'm I'm thinking I'll buy one exped and on it

[modern brook]

in order I'd keep VR strike surging vit

[sick sentinel]

And expedient isnt as good as TD

[wet compass]

Sit*

[mild ore]

you should buy it while you still can

[modern brook]

assuming equal ilvl on them

[mild ore]

you'll see 5k feels like nothing

[wet compass]

I have 1 rank 3 already

[modern brook]

Does the stock change daily or weekly?

[mild ore]

bi weekly

like assaults

[sick sentinel]

Twice weekly I believe

[warm plinth]

It's with the assaults

[modern brook]

so w/ the assaults/

[sweet summit]

when minor assault swaps

[modern brook]

Ok cool

[sweet summit]

ye

[modern brook]

great work team

[wet compass]

Maybe if you have beeb been getting echoes for months but I had all my rank 3s so I have been getting zero on warrior or dk :(

[wicked orchid]

Well, the surging vit is a 460 so I could buy a expident to replace it but I'm worried about getting a 475 to replace it

[modern brook]

get rekt again xath

[mild ore]

no i mean like

[wet compass]

Fuck I hate phone typing

[mild ore]

if you play regularly

[modern brook]

I strategically nevre got crucible to 3

[mild ore]

you should get a shitton of echoes

[modern brook]

so that when they implemented a catch up system

[mild ore]

like a 15 gives 225 echoes

[modern brook]

i could game it and get 3 strikethroughs day 1

my brain is larger than my whole body

[wet compass]

Strike instead of exped?

[modern brook]

well it was on my rogue

[wicked orchid]

My strikethrough is the highest ilvl piece that I can corrupt (besides my TD), so would it be worth putting expident on that just in case I get a piece of better gear than the 460 surging?

[modern brook]

my warrior isnt even a prot warrior rn :shame:

[sick sentinel]

Heck

[steady slate]

I went with expedient because it's useful for all 3 specs

[sick sentinel]

Now that corruption is free I am afk as a vdh

[modern brook]

im in the process of gearing my warrior soley through people carrying him through 15s

hes doing like surprisingly ok

sure he has a 400 weapon and a 475 td3 belt

but

hes getting there

[sick sentinel]

I have a 465 vdh with 390 weapons brother

I feel your pain

[modern brook]

🤷‍♂️ i gave up tanking this expac tbh

raid tanking is SNORES ville and im not cut for tanking* real keys

[sick sentinel]

If i could just smash 15s all day I would be satisfied

But group likes challenge

I hate challenges

[modern brook]

Yeah thats kinda what i like doing

[steady slate]

i don't know about raid tanking. i'm only allowed to bring my enhance shaman, and only then because i suck at ele

[modern brook]

my raid group wont let me prog on feral druid

T-T

[sick sentinel]

We have a feral Druid

Tell them to shut up and play it anyway

[modern brook]

LOL

my feral vs my rogues dps is like the difference of another shitty dps

[sick sentinel]

We also will have the worlds second survival hunter to kill nzoth lul

[steady slate]

we're kind of stuck right now. we outgear heroic and need to be in mythic but we're missing about three bodies, one of which is a healer.

[modern brook]

@steady slate which uhhhh

which server / faction

[steady slate]

hyjal/horde

[modern brook]

cause i have d ruid that needs to kill m maut :^)

and hes a resto

[tame garden]

Feral pog

[sick sentinel]

If you don’t respect feral in 2020 I don’t respect you

[tame garden]

Our enhance shaman just swapped to his feral and is tearing it up

[modern brook]

100% im saying

feral low key best spec

It does cat noises and also some damage

[sick sentinel]

Only way a Druid is getting in my m+ group is feral

[steady slate]

i'm happy with my enhance. it's fun, active, and has lots of utility. it can get a bit monotonous when stormstrike is proccing constantly, but otherwise it's fine

[buoyant mason]

anyone know how if ineffable truth is worth anything on warrior

[tame garden]

@sick sentinel

[wicked orchid]

Thank you guys for the help with expident, but should I go for IT? or is it not worth it?

[sick sentinel]

Prob not worth

[modern brook]

IF u ever need a cat hawg lemme know

[sick sentinel]

Big feral guy

[modern brook]

I wouldnt use curency on it @wicked orchid

[tame garden]

If you ever need a bear hawgz.. nvm

[sick sentinel]

Speg don’t you read my messages in bear discord

Am bear

[tame garden]

[wicked orchid]

Alright, I figured, but just wanted to make sure I didn't miss it, thanks!

[tame garden]

Hawgz did you see the ring I posted in here yesterday

[buoyant mason]

was just wondering tbh how much it impacts avatar/demo shout uptime

[sick sentinel]

My dps let 5 uninterrupted water bolts go off in shrine on a big pull and asked why I was so squishy when I went 100-0 in about 4 seconds

I threatened to reroll bear

[modern brook]

@buoyant mason

[sick sentinel]

Also yes I did @tame garden and I was tilted

[modern brook]

Its not amazing

[sick sentinel]

In a good way

[tame garden]

Ppl told me to cleanse it

[modern brook]

LOL HAWGZ

[tame garden]

😦

[modern brook]

thats the fucking dream

[robust sparrow]

Guys, do you know where can i find good description for dungeons about bosses?

[sick sentinel]

I said “keep talking and I reroll bear”

[buoyant mason]

raider io got some stuff on the website i think

[modern brook]

"wow what do you mean kicks are mechanics????"

"I'm not taking any damage 🤷‍♂️ "

[sick sentinel]

People don’t realize that even one or two at a high shrine on fort can ruin your day

[tame garden]

Hey man he kicked wash away hes doing his part

[modern brook]

@robust sparrow are you looking for a guide on how to fight the boss

[mortal brook]

wowhead and raider io have good dungeon guides

[sick sentinel]

I looked

[tame garden]

[sick sentinel]

6 wash away kicks

3 water bolt kicks

2 of them were me

Aaaaaaaa

[mortal brook]

wash away kicks D: why

[sick sentinel]

Because pugs Steve

[modern brook]

like steve said, wowhead has guides on the bosses themselves,#268491842637660160 has a google doc with what is blockable/reflectable on them

[mortal brook]

heck

[sick sentinel]

Because pugs

[modern brook]

as well as a sample damage breakdown

[mortal brook]

play the other prot, get more kicks

[sick sentinel]

I even stunned two of them

[wicked orchid]

@robust sparrow I don't know if you need pathing or just boss mechanics, but I would recommend watching videos by DarkMech. He's helped me a lot with the awakened affix. He also throws some general tips about bosses in there, but if you're looking for guides just for bosses these probably aren't what you're looking for

[sick sentinel]

But after my stuns and kick

It was chain cast city

[modern brook]

I call all the kicks when i tank

but my friends get mad when i call them "monk""

:^(

im just going off my tracker

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I would if it wasn’t a pug that I refused to pull people into my discord

It was inting I won’t lie but I thought maybe a few would get kicked

[modern brook]

lol

[sick sentinel]

And then my paladin healer in disc trolling me “don’t worry I’ll kick it”

[modern brook]

The best part o that anecdote hawg

Is that you deffo had a dh and at least one guy with cns3

[sick sentinel]

I do not follow

[modern brook]

Like

You were probably running with people that get an active benefit from interrupting

Past their tank jot keelin over

[sick sentinel]

Oh. Yes

But they didn’t care

[silver moat]

So just started running m+. For shield wall and last stand, do you guys save them for bosses? Or do you tend to use them on big/dangerous packs right away to help offset the initial damage? I tend to save them for emergency snd just never use them, but I feel thats pro ably incorrect

[sick sentinel]

They wanted to watch the world burn

And they used my skin to start the fire

You should be using LS to fill gaps in SB uptime

[modern brook]

Bolstered stand and shield wall are used rotationally to cover gaps in sb uptime

[sick sentinel]

And SW is efficiently used when you know big damage is coming

[modern brook]

Or when ur taking damage the sb cant mitigatw

[sick sentinel]

Use SW proactively not as an oh shit button cause by then it’s too late

If I have SW I actively look to make a big pull

[still pagoda]

^

[silver moat]

Alright, so just weave them in there then? Yeah thats what i was thinking with shield wall, but i over think things and have to ask ;P

[still pagoda]

yes

^

[silver moat]

Thats a nice summary, thanks!

[wicked orchid]

What Item level would you guys recommend to tank a 15? I think I'm in the right range but I also tend to over think things and want to make sure I don't ruin someone's key haha

[still pagoda]

thank Nom for this

not me

What Item level would you guys recommend to tank a 15? I think I'm in the right range but I also tend to over think things and want to make sure I don't ruin someone's key haha
@wicked orchid

450ish

maybe even lower

[modern brook]

U can +1 it no problem at 450

[still pagoda]

[warm plinth]

I've tanked a 15 at 450 with a 445 shield

[distant crystal]

465ish and you can carry a healer

445ish and the healer can carry you

[still pagoda]

470ish and you can carry everyone

[warm plinth]

Felt pretty okay but you need a decent healer

[wicked orchid]

Oh.. yeah... I'm 470 in bags, 467 equipped since gear I have on is better

[modern brook]

Also honestly

It depends on the key

[still pagoda]

and on week

[distant crystal]

gearwise you could tank 20s

[still pagoda]

^

[modern brook]

Tyr mom load is low key hard as fuck for us without gear

[still pagoda]

ML is one of those dungeons that scale rapidly with affixes

one week it is super easy

another you have a clusterfuck

[wicked orchid]

Is ML magic damage? Should I take null for it?

[still pagoda]

yes, for tyrannical

[modern brook]

The last 2 bosses dont have auto attacks

[still pagoda]

^

[modern brook]

So you have to just be smart with your CD and spam io

[still pagoda]

they have literal spell damage

[modern brook]

And it feels horrible and sad

[wicked orchid]

So for the last 2 bosses do I want to use SR on cd?

[modern brook]

Uhhh on the last sure

Th 3rd u can spell reflect the dot she puts out

Every other iirc

So you want it there

[sick sentinel]

You want to dump all of your rage into IP

Though at a 15 it probably won’t matter as much

[wicked orchid]

Ah ok, will be sure to do that, so for the last 2 is there a point of keeping SB up?

[modern brook]

No

[sick sentinel]

The damage increase to SS

[modern brook]

Uhhh

[sick sentinel]

That’s it

[modern brook]

I forgot about that tbh

And the adds on 4 have something blockable iirc

But generally no

[wicked orchid]

I did also, I was just thinking defensively

I know the energy lash can be SRed

[sick sentinel]

Heck with those adds

[modern brook]

Idt any of those guys are pulled anymore with obs

U know u designed a good dungeon when people would rather die than play a section of it, tbh

[wicked orchid]

lol

[still pagoda]

U know u designed a good dungeon when people would rather die than play a section of it, tbh

Well, that's half of BFA dungeons for ya

[wicked orchid]

Thank you guys for the help, but I have another question, the AD route I like to take is the one with the priestess first where you go to Rezan after, I've heard that isn't a liked route, should I stop taking it? And if so what route should I take?

[modern brook]

I do rezan first on tyr weeks

[still pagoda]

It's a better route for fort weeks

Do rezan first on tyr

[modern brook]

and the other route on fort

Its just about getting lust on CD as fast as possible

Though tbh

[still pagoda]

^

[modern brook]

the left route also has lust up for rezan

[silver moat]

Y'all are over here talking about tanking 15s at 450 and I'm sitting here panicking on +2 with 445 😂 God I need to play more

[modern brook]

so there isnt a huge difference

[still pagoda]

And clearing trahs without backtracking

Man

[modern brook]

Obs really made trash clearing weird in AD, imo

[still pagoda]

I've tanked +7 on 400 monk 2 hours ago

And it was nowhere hard

[modern brook]

@silver moat just be confident

[still pagoda]

[modern brook]

you're the best god damn tank in that party

[wicked orchid]

I will remember that thanks!

[still pagoda]

Just practice and don't give up

[modern brook]

and if you die, it was probably their fault anyways

[still pagoda]

^ lower key pugs go like this

24/7

[modern brook]

also maybe turn off party chat in pugs

its never worth it

[silver moat]

Lol yeah, ill get there, just havent ran these dungeons so im just diving in 😂

Ive had decent luck so fsr advertising for chill groups with my own key

[sick sentinel]

If I die In a pug there is a 30% chance I did something but 100% chance I will blame them cause tank brain

is expedient decent for protw ?

the current setup is TD4 & versatile right ?

You don’t need vers

[still pagoda]

honestly. I'm looking to making monk my main tank for a while. Since i won't transfer my warr over to Kazzak anywhere soon

[sick sentinel]

But the general philosophy is as many Td as possible and fill in the rest with expedient or vers if you so please

[still pagoda]

^

TD5 is optimal

[wicked orchid]

I know I'm more than geared enough to do 15s I just can't finda pug that will take me, it might be my io, but... I can't really progress my io if I can't progress keys

[sick sentinel]

The classic debacle

[still pagoda]

I know I'm more than geared enough to do 15s I just can't finda pug that will take me, it might be my io, but... I can't really progress my io if I can't progress keys
@wicked orchid

up your own key

[sick sentinel]

Push your own key is the best advice I can give.

[still pagoda]

it helps

i bumped 500 rio like this last week

[sick sentinel]

Then you will get people just like you joining your group. But they won’t care how you perform cause they have nothing really to lose

As a tank once your io gets closer to 2200-2400 it is a bit easier to get into keys

[still pagoda]

^ around 1.9k is the point where it starts to get much easier

faster, faster and faster

[sick sentinel]

As dps it will always be terrible though

[wicked orchid]

I'll be sure to start my own groups, I never really thought about it like that, it does seem like it would be the best way to progress

[strong forum]

i bumped 140 rio last week cuz we only did 3 keys

big push man here ama

[sick sentinel]

I only did 8-9 nome and I threw 3 of them so I feel ya

[modern brook]

@strong forum im #6 sub rogue on my server

also a big pushman

amost 700 rio

see me

[sick sentinel]

My biggest throw last week was asking healer “big pull?”

He said no

[modern brook]

LOOOOOOL

[sick sentinel]

I threw hammer anyway

And there went our bots

It was a classic lul

[warm plinth]

On the subject of AD, we did kind of an odd route for us in there this week

[sick sentinel]

Share with me ghash

[warm plinth]

It's our biggest trouble dungeon; timer just seems impossible

[wicked orchid]

Yesterday a DPS told me to to big pull, I knew we weren't going to make time so I did it anyways... it didn't go well

[mortal brook]

I finally did a shrine this season. bumped up an entire shrine's worth of io

[sick sentinel]

Wanna hear a hilarious shrine story

[wicked orchid]

I need to do a 10+ TD I think that will bumb my io a bit

[mortal brook]

i'll run these last two at some point this xpack

[warm plinth]

We did Rezan first, then double saurids, then left double pull, then obelisk in place, then went to the other obelisk on the right, took that to Volkaal, killed stairs pack, went into boss, took that obelisk to the middle, then went priestess and yazma right after

So we had lust for Rezan and Volkaal timed almost perfectly but we ended up 3 1/2-ish mins over time on a20

We wiped on the pack at the bottom of Volkaal steps but other than that it was pretty clean

[sick sentinel]

That timer is awful

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it seems impossible for us. I think the best we've done is 30 seconds over on a fortified 20 iirc

[sick sentinel]

We got a 20 this week but missed the timer on a 21 by like 2 mins

[warm plinth]

But we also don't get AD a lot so it doesn't help that we don't get much practice

[sick sentinel]

That’s how I am in shrine

[warm plinth]

We're getting better though, and we do have another 20 to try this week so I'm hoping we can pull it out

Not wiping on Volkaal pack will help massively; think we wasted a good couple mins there

[sick sentinel]

The other day we got to the last boss of a 21 shrine with 11 MINUTES like we absolutely smashed it and then this happened:

Things were going well... boss dying all were happy

All 3 dps dead to tentacles

[warm plinth]

RIP

[sick sentinel]

Healer and I survive. Manage to Rez all dps

[still pagoda]

^ seen this so many times

[sick sentinel]

Then died to tentacles again

Rogue went offline

[warm plinth]

FeelsBad to wipe on fortified shrine last boss :/

[sick sentinel]

So I still only have a 16 timed

[mortal brook]

thats a heck

[sick sentinel]

Because dps threw my 21

AAAAAA

[warm plinth]

I actually hate Shrine on tyrannical just because last boss takes so much fucking time

[hollow pagoda]

hey someone can help me to understand IT corruption (now on vendor) on protection i never got one and see other ones use it, cant find a good source to understand it better

[warm plinth]

Basically when it procs, everything comes off CD faster for the duration. So if you have IT2 (50%), and it procs, over the course of 10 seconds, you actually get 15 seconds removed from your cooldowns

It also causes Anger Management to reduce CDs by 1.5 seconds per 10 rage instead of 1 second

[strong forum]

it double dips for us, and we have a lot of small cds where its valuable to have

every button is a CD for us, so the CDR off of it is a great utility, dps and defensive gain

[hollow pagoda]

But affect spells already on cd before the proc or only the ones u use on proc?

[strong forum]

its a global thing

it reduces everything

it doesnt reduce your active cds alone

it reduces everything that will get on CD during it or is on CD

[hollow pagoda]

Everithing? thats a good effect i have the wrong idea only works on spell u use during the proc or spells what are on CD like the ring of zodiac on D3 tyvm for the info im goin to buy it now 😛

[sweet summit]

its a good filler, thats about it

you want TD

[warm plinth]

No, there is a different corruption that does what you're thinking

[sweet summit]

glimpse, yeah

[warm plinth]

Glimpse of Clarity reduces the CD of the next spell you use or something like that

[hollow pagoda]

Well never got any of those and wonder how each of them works and thats why i preffer to ask here when i cant find and external source of information

Yeah and i know TD is the way to go but want get some variation on equip gear to play around the lvl of corruption can stack up to 75 rank 6 TD but play around the things from beyond can be a little hard in Toldagor or WM corridors

[sweet summit]

t5 TD no thing

[hollow pagoda]

Will check that out like i said i want to be on a sweet spot for me get good sustain, efficient DPS

[tame garden]

give TD vendor :riot:

[daring bay]

I should go rank 1 innefable truth?

as a filler for TD

[strong forum]

yes

[hollow skiff]

Hey guys, 460 shield TD3 & 460 waist or 470 Shield with 445 waist TD3...

I wont be able to Buy corruption on the 470 shield, so I'm thinking the 460?

[warm plinth]

Shield is always ilevel

Use the latter

[hollow skiff]

Ok, thanks!! Saved me some gold too!

[sick sentinel]

Sensational

[high nacelle]

should we only buy the td corruption or is the haste good too?

[sweet summit]

TD

[cursive musk]

Can anyone help me with some logs? I deal damage fine enough, but im unsure if i mitigate as much as i should, and heal as much as i could.. Can anyone take a look and give some advice? 🙂 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8ybCKZB7Q6wGRtHV/#view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 im Happiewarr

[warm plinth]

Well, not to be blunt but you could try actually pushing your defensive abilities 😅

In an almost 9 minute Wrathion Mythic kill you pressed Ignore Pain 15 times and Shield Block 19 times. That's absurdly low

[still pagoda]

^

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kVTqn16QgLhwPDXv#fight=1&type=casts&source=10

an 11 minutes idiocy with me for example

[cursive musk]

I dont use it when im not the active tank which lowers it i guess.. using the rage on Revenge instead at those times

[still pagoda]

51 SB cast

[mild ore]

using shield block is a better dps investment than spamming revenge

[still pagoda]

much better

one

[daring bay]

Yup yup

[warm plinth]

Yeah, shield block is damage as well. Revenge hits like a wet noodle and its only saving grace is that it applies Deep Wounds

[daring bay]

Ehm, so my co tank has been complaining about "TD aggro" is this a real problem or is he just being wierd?

i got rank 6 TD and somtimes it procs quite a bit

Good dmg :P

But he dosnt seem to be able to keep aggro

[midnight snow]

He can just press his taunt button

[mild ore]

if he has rank 3 TD he shouldnt have problem keeping aggro

imo

[daring bay]

We even had times where the boss has gone taunt immune...

[mild ore]

if he's not using TD this far into progress then it's his fault

[daring bay]

and after he taunts i just get aggro back, he is very insistent that i should drop some of my TDs

[mild ore]

how many twillight devs does he have

[daring bay]

But so its just an issue of him doing low dmg then?

[mild ore]

it is

[midnight snow]

What kind of tank is he

[daring bay]

Thats all i needed to know

Hes a monk

[midnight snow]

More than likely he’s just not pressing buttons

[mild ore]

i think it's easy to fall behind on threat if you don't run any twillight devs

[daring bay]

he changes gear quite a bit, somtimes 0 TD somtimes 3

[mild ore]

so im asking if he even runs any

[daring bay]

Recently he has used none

[mild ore]

yeah that's the problem

[midnight snow]

Tell him to put it on

That and flame major should be more than enough

[daring bay]

Scrap that, last raid he had rank 3 TD

and still lost aggro at times

[next yacht]

IS3 worth keeping around for prot ms? its on some bis boots with a socket and have td3 on a ring.. considering scraping the is so I can use the boots

[strong forum]

not really

in m+ its absolutely terrible

[mild ore]

then hes not pressing buttons

[strong forum]

in raid its only decent on a select few

[chrome palm]

should i pvp as fury to get CnS? Do people get 1600 rating as prot?

[strong forum]

defo not as prot

[chrome palm]

rank 2 CnS is not worth wearing right?

[strong forum]

arms is the real pvp spec, fury is for grugging it down mid

you can wear it, but r3 is a big power bump

you can stop at 1.4k and get it in 5 weeks aswell

[potent anvil]

Can probably get carried thru 3s if you can find rogue+disc who can just carry you to 1800s.

[chrome palm]

and it's 3 weeks @ 1600 rating right?

[strong forum]

ye

[chrome palm]

1800s?

dang

how hospitable are people to stuff like that?

i.e. why would they

[potent anvil]

It's not necessary, but people do 3s rating carries all the time.

[strong forum]

i would say the pvp community isnt very hospitable tbh

[main vault]

Its like ~800k on my server for that

[potent anvil]

For gold

[chrome palm]

ohhhh

yeah that's too rich for me

[brittle owl]

get a healer and pve people to death as arms

ez

[chrome palm]

what do you mean pve them

[brittle owl]

whack em like a mob

[potent anvil]

Just do max dps, and not worry too much about actually doing any sort of pvp shenanigans or tactics.

[brittle owl]

no strategy needed

[chrome palm]

is it easiest to get 1600 in 2v2?

[warm plinth]

There's no real point to get 1800 if you are just after C&S anyway. 1600 is far enough unless you go to like 2100

[chrome palm]

i can get a friend to pvp with me

[brittle owl]

1800 is max ilvl azerite

so it is defo worth

[chrome palm]

well it's for the tokens

it's 5 with 1600

[chrome palm]

and 6 with 1800

so it's not worth it to get 1800

[brittle owl]

max

ilvl

azerite

for free

[chrome palm]

idk what that means

[warm plinth]

Can you play arms @chrome palm ?

[brittle owl]

weekly pvp box can drop 475 azerite pieces

at 1800

[chrome palm]

i mean i have 465 2 handers

so yeah i have gear for arms, but no azerite traits

i can respec my gear i guess

how bad is fury for pvp?

[warm plinth]

If you can learn it like halfway and play with someone bursty like a ret paladin or rogue, you can probably just brute force your way to 1600. Might take some time but that rating pretty much just requires beating your head against it for a while

[chrome palm]

maybe i just wont worry about CnS

i just dont enjoy pvp at all

[warm plinth]

I'm the same way, but C&S is 100% worth dealing with it short term

[sick sentinel]

You should worry about CnS

It is nuts

[warm plinth]

I'm like honor level 9 and I've played since vanilla lol

That's how much I hate PvP

[sick sentinel]

Hey same

[chrome palm]

so do 2v2 as arms?

and fury is that much worse?

[sick sentinel]

I played 3s as prot to get mine

[warm plinth]

Yeah just double DPS, pick a person, and blow them up

Same honestly lol

[sick sentinel]

Ez

Just go in there and proc TD

[warm plinth]

I just went to 1400 with rdruid/frost mage as prot and did it the slow way

[sick sentinel]

And there they go

[warm plinth]

But that was before corruption was a thing

[chrome palm]

right

[sick sentinel]

Yeah now it’s ez clap

[chrome palm]

people are going to be gushing wounding me

[sick sentinel]

And you will be Tding them

So who is the real winner

[chrome palm]

hmm

ok i checked my fury azerite and i have all the recommended traits except gathering storm

it looks like i can just stack crushing assault

[warm plinth]

Honestly I know nothing about PvP but when I did play DPS it was arms because I just had 1 2-hander

[chrome palm]

ahh

yeah i have 2x2handers

[cursive musk]

im fortunate enough to have both vita-charged and humming black dragonscale trinkets, as well as Lingering psychic shell.. but which two should i use for keys? 20+. i see a lot of top dogs use these, which means i cant figure out which are best

[mild ore]

vita and shell

on high keys

[cursive musk]

Care to elaborate? 🙂

[chrome palm]

if i can't start a group is it because i got reported or something?

[warm plinth]

Double haste is the play, especially this week since LPS Is affected by Necrotic

[chrome palm]

i havent been able to list my group for a few days

but never got informed about anything like that

[fresh umbra]

Are you picking a role?

[chrome palm]

hmm

mauybe

[unkempt lily]

Hey guys i got the mechagon shield in my weekly chest today. Is it any good. I mean yeah it has 12% versa on its thats nice but is the proc good?

[mortal brook]

Awful

But wear if its your highest shield

[spice yacht]

what are the desired corruptions for M+?

Im looking to start 19+ keys

[mortal brook]

TD

[spice yacht]

Apparently haste is good, but a lot of people are gemming/wearing vers corruption

so I just get as much td as I can?

[mortal brook]

Twilight devastation and then you can fill in your corruption budgets with expedient or versatile by preference

[spice yacht]

aight cheers man

[prisma crane]

for VERY high keys it's almost universally Vers % stacking

[warm plinth]

Just remember that stat amps are only as good as what they are modifying. Versatile is really not that great unless you're running a vers stacking build with surging vitality because if you have 500 vers, then 12% vers is giving you 60 vers, which is literally just a vers enchant on a ring. Expedient is great because we stack haste already.

[prisma crane]

just know that stuff like CnS is affected as well

haste is nice though all around because of OP, Vita, Dragonscale, Rezans, ITF, etc

hell without haste % i hit over 100% haste with all procs up

[warm plinth]

Right, yeah. Just saying typically you use versatile for a certain situation (which is the high key vers stacking)

[prisma crane]

yea honestly unless you're doing keys where the tank can also be one shot it's just not a priority

imo at least

[warm plinth]

I agree

Also in case no one told you today Krotos, you're adorable

[prisma crane]

d'aww, i learn from the best my dude 😊

(pst, i'm talking about you)

[warm plinth]

I hope you're not learning from me this expansion. I think my war is like 450 ilevel 😂

[prisma crane]

i'm just kinda doin my own thing lol

lately just been spamming key sales, gotta get the long boi before end of expac

made 800k last wk

[warm plinth]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/tichondrius/kordukai Boom

454 ilevel

[prisma crane]

haha nice

[warm plinth]

Sick

You boosting on your own or with a community?

[prisma crane]

just on my own

my io isnt near what those communities require

[warm plinth]

Ah, gotcha

[prisma crane]

plus i mongo sometimes so i'd prob loose gold in those runs lol

[warm plinth]

lol

[prisma crane]

my human warr is only like 446 lol

my horde is 476 equipped

so i'm doin ok

[warm plinth]

Dayum

[sick sentinel]

Once in a carry I tried to use the snap for shrine on the second pull. Tried to jump in the thing and missed and jumped right to the elemental

[warm plinth]

My main is not 476 equipped 😦

Good job Hawgz

I think I'm 475 in bags

[sick sentinel]

So I can relate to the occasional mongo in a key

[warm plinth]

But like 472-474 equipped depending on what I'm doing

[prisma crane]

oh 100%

i'm still learning dungeon mechanics lmao

yea i'm 479 in bags

but RNG can blow me

[unborn aurora]

so are people just waiting to buy TD's or going for expedients?

[prisma crane]

i have a 465 shield still

but

i've gotten SIX 475 weapons

versatile for high keys and TD for dmg @unborn aurora

but expedient isnt bad by any means

[unborn aurora]

how high keys is that? just timed my first 21 and i'm at 9% versa

don't feel like i need it

[prisma crane]

up to you then, but all the guys doing the 25-28s are usually going for vers

that said who knows now that people can have the pick of the bunch

i'd say vers is less required in places like freehold

but then again i saw nerftank get hit by the first boss on a 26 fortified for 750k so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

in 2 wks i'll be able to buy my BiS helm

last item i got was the mechagon chest

fuck going through RNG rolls

nothing feels better than getting the same AZ piece 3x in a row

[dark mountain]

Is it worth to get BiS azerite if it is 15 item levels lower?

[prisma crane]

probably not

depends on the 480 though

[dark mountain]

I have gotten two 480

None had Bastion

[prisma crane]

AZ gives a ton of base stats

[dark mountain]

Now i have the Vex hc chest

But it is 15 itl...

[prisma crane]

well

for dmg just sim it

and do you think you need the extra bastion to survive?

[chrome palm]

do i have to get 1600 EVERY week?

or just 1 time for the season

[prisma crane]

for CnS?

[chrome palm]

yeah

to get 5 tokens each week

[prisma crane]

you have to win at least one game each wk above 1600

[chrome palm]

ok

[prisma crane]

but after that you can just do other stuff to conq cap

[chrome palm]

my friend said he'd help me get 1600!

so that means it'll take 4 weeks i think

1 week to get rank 1 and 2

and then 3 weeks for 5 tokens per week

[prisma crane]

i want to say

that if you hit 1600

you can get 5 next week

but i cant remember, could be wrong

[chrome palm]

hmm

yeah i'll have to check

[warm plinth]

You don't need to win for C&S tokens

Wins are only required for gear, not the C&S items

[prisma crane]

oh yea, just have to be above 1600 right?

[still pagoda]

just be even at 1400+

seriously

[prisma crane]

you get less per week at 1400

[still pagoda]

i get 3/week with 1400

[prisma crane]

5 weeks is worse than 3 weeks and getting 1600 isnt difficult

[still pagoda]

ye

you're right

i just have only 3 weeks of it left

maybe will bother with elite pvp set

but later on

[warm plinth]

Yes just have to be at the rating then you can just do assaults or whatever to cap

I didn't do any more arena once I got 1600 because I'm bad at PvP and didn't want to drop below 1600 😂

[prisma crane]

it was really bad at the start of 8.3 for me when i did it

whoever had the corruption won the match

[still pagoda]

Well

[prisma crane]

plus the rank squish at the start of a new season

[still pagoda]

I hope we won't get such systems incorporated again

I like arena

But corruption balance kinda breaks it for me

[prisma crane]

tbh i like the core aspects of corruption

in this patch we can ACTUALLY get BiS gear which is nice without WF/TF

and the whole kiss/curse aspect of corruption is fun to play around

they just dropped the ball on balance and took WAY too long to remove the awful RNG of it all

stuff like TD and IS and GW and stuff is boring because there's zero player interaction apart from positioning with TD, but

the stat boosts and stuff are nice

you want lots of stats? great, but deal with these downsides if you go too far with it

that aspect i think is interesting gameplay, it's an ACTUAL choice players make lol, unlike the false choices of talents

[still pagoda]

stuff like TD and IS and GW and stuff is boring because there's zero player interaction apart from positioning with TD, but
@prisma crane

And even this positioning aspect is due tu numerous bugs and walls that are not really walls

The rng part of it is what drives me away

[prisma crane]

im referring to lining up with the line of enemies to actually hit them all

[still pagoda]

Bruh

[prisma crane]

or even one step further, leaping or charging to allow it to hit more than once

[still pagoda]

And that's all

[prisma crane]

it's still fun to play around, cant deny that

i enjoy arena too, but imo it ruined a lot of the game in the name of balance

[still pagoda]

Well, shit happens

Corruption system made its own restrictions on some specs like BrM

You just can't run 39+ due to stagger creating TFBs at a rapid pace

[prisma crane]

i guess, i just dont cry over BrM, they've been practically top progression raid tanks for many many many tiers since MoP and they're currently the top M+ tank, though it's one guy lol

[fast dove]

Hey! is BoM worth 15 ilvls on azerite gear?