protection

[still pagoda]

What are you doing?

Lego cloak shit

rip my score (:

I actually abused my mage's s2 score when gearing up warrior

[hasty quest]

Ehy guys, what about corruption upgrade as protection? Is good for high m+ stack versatile3 or haste buff?

[left hatch]

TD

[sweet summit]

TD

[hasty quest]

I have TD r2 x 2 atm

[left hatch]

not enough

more TD

[sweet summit]

Isnt corruptions we want pinned

[left hatch]

you can have TD5 right now without breaking 40

[still pagoda]

Isnt corruptions we want pinned

Seriously

we need a comprehensive corruption post at that point

[left hatch]

if you ok with TFB you can grab an expedient 3 or IT1

the verse amp isn't something to think about till you're FAR into the +20 bracket

[hasty quest]

I am in 20+ bracket mostly 19-20

[left hatch]

FAR into it

like 24/25

[hasty quest]

So I think I terms of surv cause I see other tanks running full versa

[left hatch]

you don't think about verse Amp until you are dying to 1-shots despite completely perfect play

[sweet summit]

23s are fine with 6% vers for me :)

[left hatch]

well

those other tanks

assuming you mean nerfclap etc

are doing like 25's

which is a world of difference between that and 19's and 20's

[hasty quest]

I agree @left hatch

[sweet summit]

Isnt nerf running t4 tD + one versatile

[left hatch]

idk i do'nt keep up

[hasty quest]

I will go td5 🙂

[sweet summit]

If i remember correctly he did that last week

[left hatch]

but yah, unless your'e getting 1 shot (which shouldn't be happening yet) and know you're playing flawlessly

you still wanan go for Ilvl>Haste>Crit

and fill in the gaps of TD with haste amp or IT

verse isn't something to worry about yet (:

[hidden plaza]

Haste amp are you referring to expediant or racing?

[left hatch]

Expedient

Racing Pulse is the Haste Proc

[mild ore]

so can you corrupt purified pieces or is that fixed

[left hatch]

if you purified it sine the reset you can

if it was purified before that its still a no-go

[mild ore]

that's dumb

[left hatch]

idk i think its a pretty decent compromise in the short-term

esp since the fix came out almost instantly

[maiden ravine]

Especially since I was a packrat that saved everything

[left hatch]

yeh i got a decent 16k echoes saved up

can move over all my TD onto better pieces

also requires a decent amount of Socket swapping as well tho :

[maiden ravine]

I mean I had 475 stuff with mediocre corruptions I kept just in case

[left hatch]

^

[maiden ravine]

"maybe they will massively buff ev again or I'll want surging vitality sometime"

[left hatch]

how many echoes do i need to save up to buy shadowlands ):

even with this change im ready for BFA to end lol

[still pagoda]

[maiden ravine]

Shadowlands is what 330k gold

Less actually right now

[left hatch]

i meant buy its release date haha

make a pact with mother to enter it early

[still pagoda]

they're selling IT1's here on EU

for everyone how's interested

[maiden ravine]

Is it the same list as na?

[still pagoda]

and Exp3 for only 5k

[left hatch]

speaking of selling

[maiden ravine]

Yeah, that sound the same

[maiden ravine]

So it's a set rotation then eh

[still pagoda]

pretty much

[left hatch]

Some of those sketchy sites that sell like 15/CE clears

[still pagoda]

gonna keep my echoes for TD3 on warrior and farm for the same mon monk

[maiden ravine]

Good thing no one cares about ta anymore and won't be upset not seeing it again for 3 weeks

[left hatch]

are already selling Castle Nathria clears

add i saw said they do it weekly and charge couple hundred euro for normal and ... i think 2k for a mythic clear

pretty damn impressive them clearing content before its own

better than Method even

[maiden ravine]

Always some poor sucker

[left hatch]

yah, i mean they wouldn't be wasting marketing on it if they didn't get some hits

[still pagoda]

are already selling Castle Nathria clears

WUT?

[left hatch]

yeh

[still pagoda]

[left hatch]

pony up a few thousand euro

get your CE

[maiden ravine]

So, I saw someone post that blizzard should turn off m+ achievements cause corruption has made them not mean anything. 😃 While this season is easier... I'm not sure I'd go that far

[left hatch]

M+ achievements are seasonal to begin with

should i throw a shit fit that i got the 15 achieve when depleting keys was still a thing and the highest gear you could get came from 10's?

no

should we turn off CE a month after world first kill cause gear makes it easier?

no

ppl are dumb

and anyone who seriously gives a fuck or attributes any self worth to those kind of achieves

1. look at the date earned and judge people based on that anyway
2. are asshats

[maiden ravine]

Haha

I'm the type of nerd that shows off my realm first profession achieves from mop occasionally

[left hatch]

im all for taking pride in your achievements

but using it as an epeen 'im better than you' thing

is yikes

[maiden ravine]

If I'm feeling really self deprecating I lead with the archeology one

[left hatch]

and wanting to deprive other people of it because of power creep is actually ridiculous

lul

i liked archealogy

or did

legion kinda took me outta it with it being weekly cycled

and idk if they even had BFA arch

[maiden ravine]

I felt so op when I got spear of xuen the first day of MoP

[left hatch]

dangg

[maiden ravine]

Made levelling my monk easy

[still pagoda]

dangg

[maiden ravine]

I didn't even know it was a thing until I made it

[left hatch]

thats how i treated 90% of carch

arch

i didn't know most of whta it could give

[maiden ravine]

I don't like thinking about how mop launch was 8 years ago now.

[left hatch]

itd be cool if they brought it back in SL with rng cosmetic rewards and maybe a dope mount

but i think its a dead prof

[still pagoda]

I don't like thinking about how mop launch was 8 years ago now.

Ye

[sick sentinel]

I got the Mechagon-Shield, which is worst at equal ilvl, since it's 5 ilvl higher than my current shield I will still equip it tho, due to it having the most block - is that correct?

[still pagoda]

the best symphony of insane lags blizz ever produced

[left hatch]

correct

[sick sentinel]

thanks (-:

[left hatch]

👍

[still pagoda]

got TD shield with Echoing Void from my warr weekly chest

[left hatch]

sounds like you got a shield thats gonna house a TD3 once its on the vendor

[still pagoda]

gonna just cleanse it and equip

and slap TD3 once it's up

[sweet summit]

BIG shield?

[still pagoda]

nah

just a verse/mastery base with EV

already cleansed not to irritate my eyes

[smoky wave]

Much envy. Ran like 10+ ad/motherload this week, and plenty more the past month. Still stuck on a 435 mechagon one 😅

[placid oar]

Don’t give up, it will drop as Long as u keep trying since M+ can be farmed

Hope u get it soon

[smoky wave]

Cheers. It's gone past frustrating and around to entertaining now. Nice seeing other people not have my issues though

[sweet summit]

@still pagoda 475 BIG

[still pagoda]

also +16 workshop

2 push weeks in a row

[sweet summit]

[still pagoda]

and also i can now gear up my monk as fast as i can

[sweet summit]

Next week is pog too

[still pagoda]

ye

[smoky wave]

What's next week? And any advice for this week?

[still pagoda]

for this? Nothing except for leaping away out of the pack when you have 20-30+ stacks

you're in full control of the dungeon with this affixes

next week is pog as Rosjen already mentioned

quaking is -1 affix basically

and fort+teeming combo will be annoying only when pulling caster heavy packs like the ones at the start of SotS(And it is also the big pull week)

[sweet summit]

Atal is fucked on teeming, the rest is fine

[swift kiln]

probs worth investing 5k echoes for 12% haste amp and putting it on purified wrathion sword aye?

[sweet summit]

Necrotic alone is a non affix, but paired with raging it might cause some problems. Just keep an eye on mobs that will do big damage as the rage

Id rather save and buy TD

[swift kiln]

you can use sphere of supression for necrotic

@smoky wave

[sweet summit]

Im always running sphere anyway

Not major*

[swift kiln]

i got TD r2 in weekly, so I can wait and thing is depends when TD 3 will be purchasable

but realistically haste amp > vers amp aye for the faster gcd meaning more ignore pain and rage generation aye?

[sweet summit]

Yes

IT is also solid

And less echoes iirc

IT r1 that is

[swift kiln]

true

might be a silly question but haste amps stack with into the fray talent that works on haste % not an actual number

[sweet summit]

I dont think it does

[still pagoda]

IT1 is a good shit for it's price

and it costs the least

[sweet summit]

Ye, idk if id stack it tho

[swift kiln]

imo if you can afford haste > ineffable

its always on, ineffable is proc dependant

[still pagoda]

Ye, idk if id stack it tho
@sweet summit

Not stack, but 1xIT1 is just enough

[left hatch]

ineffable is better defensively

[sweet summit]

Ye thats my thought too

[left hatch]

and depending on what key level yo'ure doing there are MUCH much better options than verse amp

crit amp for instance

or basically any proc

[swift kiln]

hmm

[still pagoda]

crit amp is good for damage

[brittle owl]

crit amp doesnt work for parry doe

[left hatch]

well not just for that

[brittle owl]

so whatchout

[still pagoda]

i've accidentally achieved 15% verse

[swift kiln]

you reckon purifying wrathion sword and using it for the contained corruption is most likely the best choice as its 475?

[brittle owl]

sorry to burst your bubble, but that meme isnt possible 🙁

[left hatch]

oh didn't know that

[still pagoda]

[left hatch]

thats a feelsbad

[brittle owl]

ikr

[left hatch]

but yeh id purify wrathion adn save

[still pagoda]

sorry to burst your bubble, but that meme isnt possible 🙁
@brittle owl

[left hatch]

you can fit in TD5 and remain below 40

[brittle owl]

imagine vdh with full crit stack

100% parry memes

[left hatch]

and slide in an expedient 3 if yo'ure ok with TFB

[brittle owl]

or

[sweet summit]

Why does it not? :(

[brittle owl]

cuz it doesn't 😦

[sweet summit]

Oh :(

[brittle owl]

idk why blizz sucks i guess

and it's a giga inconsistent interaction

since prot paladin gains block% fro mastery amps

[left hatch]

i woulda figrued it would, since it actually increases the base crit#

[brittle owl]

and like

[left hatch]

and not just the % like ITF does

[brittle owl]

crit amps work with CF for brews

mostly cause CF takes % into account, not rating

[still pagoda]

since prot paladin gains block% fro mastery amps

Ofk he would because his mastery gives him block%

[brittle owl]

it;s giga DR'd doe

[left hatch]

we get something better from mastery

crit block

[still pagoda]

^

[brittle owl]

hard to go past 85% block with holy shield

i mean

it's better 90% of the time

other 10% paladin blocks the dangerous spells

[left hatch]

fair

[brittle owl]

rixxa is hilarious as a mastery cheese protadin

[still pagoda]

aight, next tank i level is pala

but not now

[left hatch]

but yeh tldr versa amp isn't as good as you think

[still pagoda]

will get him up to SL

[left hatch]

we don't have any big procs or sources for it

[brittle owl]

i mean

for most people

it defo isn't

for someone that's pushing 27/28

you might wanna look into it

[left hatch]

yeh

[brittle owl]

which is the case for every single tank

[left hatch]

but to make it worth you also have to go outta your way to stack versa

[brittle owl]

only thing that changes is

[left hatch]

which you shouldn't be doing till you're at least at like 24

[brittle owl]

the keylevel where you look into it

[left hatch]

and ppl are like gemming/chanting verse in 18's

which... is just depressing really

[brittle owl]

ish

[still pagoda]

^^

like

i have 15% just by accident

[brittle owl]

enchanting vers makes sense since it amps TD damage

[still pagoda]

and my verse rating is exactly the same as crit

though i would want to drop nearly all verse for haste

[brittle owl]

so vers is artificially higher in stat weight just because of that

[left hatch]

every sim iv done still puts haste ahead

despite even a 7TD meme build for hivemind

[brittle owl]

well yeah haste amps everything else

[left hatch]

well it does increase TD's proc rate

on paper at least

[brittle owl]

yeah

big brain strat gem haste for more TD's

[left hatch]

its just not as impacted by rng

[brittle owl]

eksdee

+/- 10% haste for the purposes of TD is completely neglijable

[left hatch]

for sure

[brittle owl]

since RPPM sucks

[left hatch]

but my original point is theres a lot of players that are giga overvaluing verse

when they arn't even in the 20 range yet

[brittle owl]

for sure

bUt MaGiC dAmOoJ

is prob why they do that

[left hatch]

whether its because they see Nerfclap or Red do it

or yah

[brittle owl]

also a healthy dose of frothing at the mouth

[left hatch]

'but were strong against physical so why i need parry'

[brittle owl]

kinda the same logic by which alot of people flat out disregard prot warrior in raid

which is top tier retardation

fuck me i'm toxic today

[left hatch]

tier lists in raid

kekw

[still pagoda]

tier lists

[worthy linden]

i have a 475 rezan, 460 vita and 460 dragonscale, best 2 for m+?

[still pagoda]

the only thing they work for is feral

[left hatch]

vita Rezan

ez pz

[still pagoda]

since it is bad

[brittle owl]

lmao

you're wrong

[still pagoda]

[brittle owl]

but ok

[worthy linden]

ty

[left hatch]

feral outperforms boomy on avg

on some of the fights

[brittle owl]

tier lists in 8.3 now that we can target corruption

[still pagoda]

i've seen to many bad ferals already

[brittle owl]

are irrelevant

[still pagoda]

^

[brittle owl]

feral >>>> boomie on nzoth btw

[left hatch]

eh its irrelevent if you're not a guild pushing world 100 tbh

[brittle owl]

just bcs of damage profile

idk man

plenty of HoF people

not playing meta

so i'd cut that down to like

top 20 or something

[left hatch]

cause lets be honest, if you're in a CE guild yo'ull be able to perform on w/e you already do

and if you're someone thats truly awful

playing FOTM isn't gonna help you that much

[brittle owl]

it's not really a clear cut answer tho

context matters

some people can multiclass, but their learning curve needs to be accounted for

for some people it's really short, for others, it's long enough that it doesn't warrant rerolling

[left hatch]

exactly

why im saying unless you're in a world top 100 guild

tier lists are next to meaningless

ig you're saying the same thing but top 20 lol

[brittle owl]

yeah just being a bit pedantic

idk if warranted or not

[left hatch]

best example is the sheer amount of awful hDH's you see

[brittle owl]

not just havoc

every fotm class

outlaws in S2 pugs remeber those

[left hatch]

well some FOTM arn't brain dead rotation

[brittle owl]

or prot warrios in m+ in general

[left hatch]

like feral i can understand being bad

cause theres a lot to keep up with

and snapshotting

and etc

you gotta put in a LOT more effort to perform on the same level as other classes

[brittle owl]

well

at the end of the day

the complexity of WoW doesn't come necesarily from mechanically executing your class's rotation, regardless of role

it comes from game knowledge

that's why you see guilds like nurfed get wr 100-200 with completely scuffed comps tier after tier

• multiple examples of that, even in HoF

[left hatch]

or meme examples of top parses being done by comps of like 6+ shamans

despite them being fairly eh

because they abused certain traits in uh

im drawing a blank on last tiers raid name

[brittle owl]

top parses are a completely diff can of worms tho

TEP

[left hatch]

thats it

[still pagoda]

6+ shamans

Sounds like late legion warlock abuse

[left hatch]

the TLDR of it was there was an az trait that gave a fuckload of stats w/e a raid member died

[still pagoda]

[left hatch]

so theyd stack shamans to commit sudoku periodically

self-rez and do it again

[brittle owl]

queue 6 shamans dying twice

and you got 30 sec kill timers

ON CURRENT CONTENT

[still pagoda]

why it sounds so familiar to Aura of Vengeance

[left hatch]

yah they had a like 20something second kill on mythic ashara

and afflics doing actually absurd #'s

[brittle owl]

the best thing was

if you looked at top damage for monks, as a class in general

on every single boss

brew was top

😂

by that i mean pumps was top beating out all the other WW's

[still pagoda]

yah they had a like 20something second kill on mythic ashara

[left hatch]

sorry by ashara i mean ashvane

idk if they did ashara or not

[weary trellis]

Hey guys, maybe you can help me with my trinket struggle... I'm ilvl 450 and run currently 415 Rezan and 410 Pocket Sized with the Haste Proc. I also have 460 https://www.wowhead.com/item=158367/merekthas-fang&bonus=4777:1512 and 445 https://www.wowhead.com/item=172673/corrupted-gladiators-safeguard&bonus=4802... Would it make sense to swap the low ilvl trinkets? Or better to stay with haste?

[left hatch]

pretty sure just transition phases on ashara would make it at least 2mins

stick with haste for mow

[still pagoda]

stick with haste

[left hatch]

Fang is a meme trinket for big damage if you know how to use it

but if you're new itll def get you killed

and that gladatior trinket looks striaght up dogshit

[weary trellis]

kk, thanks guys 😄

[hasty quest]

@left hatch did you have an idea how to use MF? Got it at 475 and sometime (specially on low m+) I think to use it

[left hatch]

you pull a fuckload of shit, stun it with SW and pop it

the key is that you can't block or dodge or parry while its channeling

so you're gonna have a good 1-2 s of being pounded if you don't have a stun or like a ring of piece on you

[hasty quest]

Ok, gonna try for 10-15 m+

Thanks man

[left hatch]

just be careful, cause frankly its not worth it unless you're pulling like 5 packs at a time

if you pull 1-2 at a time you're better off with hasty boys or a torment in a jar

[still pagoda]

you pull a fuckload of shit, stun it with SW and pop it

TECHNICALLY, you do this all the time if your healer doesn't complain

and even when he does

[left hatch]

i do'nt always SW on pull

i use it for gaps in in SB

and if you pulling without SB you're gonna have a bad time

[still pagoda]

kinda the same usually

i use it more as a mass interrupt

[left hatch]

yeh that too depending on the pack

[still pagoda]

used* until i've finally ventured into mid keys

gearing up new char is actually a really fast process

my BrM is already 370 with nearly zero time investment

[left hatch]

fully commiting to catching up on cloak tho

x.x

[still pagoda]

and i still have 4 ~270 slots

[left hatch]

weeks and weeks of normal nzoth

i wish they just let you spam full clears to get more each week till you caught up to cap

only 2 a week and 1 being locked behind nzoth is ugh

[still pagoda]

heh

[left hatch]

thats really the only thing keeping me from realy going ham on enjoying alts

is knwing im gonna be a good ~30 resistance behind on cloak

[still pagoda]

didn't they say that you can catch up on additional cloak res from other-than-raid sources now?

[left hatch]

last i heard its still the same system

you can either get it from Nzoth or a full clear

and if you're behind you just go after both each week

[amber siren]

the catchup afaik was just for the 1-15 leveling

[blissful pebble]

If you were playing around Merektha's wouldn't you also run Strength of the Warden Major for 50% damage boost full meme?

[still pagoda]

nah

you steal BotE

[gray bane]

hola my tanky homies. I am looking a bit at my logs for my warrior (it's my alt) and my overall ratings are not so great and I was wondering if anyone feels like helping me figure out why that might be? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/lynaea#difficulty=4

I have a feeling it could be due to me only have a single twilight dev (rank 1), but perhaps there is more going on

[left hatch]

mostly purples, you seem to be doing fine

corruption is a large portion of parsing this tier

so as long as you're above average you're doing fine

[brittle owl]

raid parsing is 100% RNG

esp for tanks

[left hatch]

^ also comes down to factors outside your control like kill times and whatnot

[brittle owl]

did you proc TD? did you proc it during a HP buff like rally? did you proc it during add phase? are the adds alive long enough that you can highroll multiple procs into them?

[high goblet]

Hi, is it worth buying expedient for pushing high keys or should i wait for vers %?

[left hatch]

what key level are you doing

[high goblet]

20+

[left hatch]

save for TD till you have 5

[high goblet]

ive got twilights

[left hatch]

fill in the leftover with 1 expedient

do you have 5 TD's?

or 1 IT*

[high goblet]

rank 5 easily

TD

[ionic fern]

You will not magically start falling over in 20+ keys as to justify going for Versatility all of a sudden.
Mistakes in your gameplay will just be punished way harder.

[left hatch]

then grab an IT or an expedient

[high goblet]

so the most optimal is rank 5 TD and IT?

[left hatch]

yeh that verse amp will give you maybe another 2% damage reduction

which is inconsequential

IT is better defensively (arguably)

expedient has a nice mix of offence and defence

[ionic fern]

I like 5x TD with some extra haste but IT is solid also.

[high goblet]

is it worth going for 2 IT?

since its better than a rank 2

[left hatch]

its not

[high goblet]

or is that just overkill

[left hatch]

something about the corruption budget of it makes it inferior to IT1

and yeh its basically overkill

and will take away a TD which is not the play

[gray bane]

ah sorry I missed the replies - thanks for the input folks 🙂

I guess I just keep running hc until my logs improve :p

while saving up for some more TD

[ionic fern]

No.

Just get TD.

😂

[gray bane]

yeah, echoes are a bitch :p

[ionic fern]

But jeah, it's stupid currently.
If you have TD chances are you will get 95+ logs even when not playing perfectly yourself.

[left hatch]

on the bright side, you have a lot you can do to min max and pump more

sockets and stacking TD

not to mention more neck levels

so at least theres things you can do to actively improve

rather than just waiting for a pull where the planets align and you get spam procs w/e adds are up

[ionic fern]

In general you can also check out wowanalyzer.com - it's optimized for Protection warriors and if you know what you're looking for you can get some good info out of it. For example the CD window: https://wowanalyzer.com/report/hKRG4vn1YFjMrgtp/22-Heroic+Dark+Inquisitor+Xanesh+-+Kill+(3:18)/Lynaea/standard/cooldowns

[left hatch]

nitpicky on that pull

but you're not rallying or last standing

(free potential TD damage)

and honestly if yo'ure running deva

and don't need the 15% DR

why waste a GCD on rally cry

xanesh is a zzzz fight to begin with

[ionic fern]

Jep, remember that TD updates its damage Dynamically.

[left hatch]

you can also use intercept on yoru co-tank on CD

to gen some freebie rage

[gray bane]

yeah to be honest, this was a boost run so it's not like I was "all there", so to speak :p

but it would be good for me to pay a bit more attention

I tend to save those CDs for "oh shit" moments, I'd never considered just using them for dps

[left hatch]

most of that stuff is nitpicky

but at the very least intercept is a good survival boost as well

and you shouldn't use cd's as Oh Shit

reactive play is bad

learn what parts of the fight are hardest and get used to using them at those times

raid (at least should) be predicatble

[gray bane]

yeah in m+ I'm a lot better in term sof using them proactively if I know damage is coming

[left hatch]

maybe not as predictable and scripted as say FF14 raids

but its still pretty set

[gray bane]

yeah for sure

[ionic fern]

Tip 1: If your co-tank taunts the boss off of you..taunt it back. GOtta get that rage from getting hit.

[gray bane]

stuff happens at specific times, especially in a fight like xanesh

down to the second :p

hahaha

[ionic fern]

Just in case someone is reading it later on..it was a joke.

[left hatch]

well more importantly, most damage is either avoidable or predictable

[placid fox]

that suck right?

[left hatch]

no

its like the best weapon for ST/cleave

[gray bane]

yeah - question, it you're not actively tanking, I guess you still shield block for the interaction with shield slam, right?

[left hatch]

i do haha

[gray bane]

moar dps moar better

[placid fox]

dps wise but you lose a lot of stats though

[gray bane]

I honestly don't raid too much on my warrior as it's my alt, mainly pushing m+

[ionic fern]

Yes @gray bane .

[left hatch]

that stat lose is pretty low impact for survivability

loss*

and if its your highest ilvl weapon its still better defensively anyway

cause IP scales off AP

[still pagoda]

only things that matter on weapons and shields are ilvl and corruptions

so it's good

[gray bane]

I really hope I get a 475 shield soon 😭

[ionic fern]

I'm still rocking a 465 one.

[left hatch]

yeh its a pretty incredible drop

[gray bane]

I guess I should bribe my guild to let me come on my warrior for next mythic clear... sadly, that's only gonna happen after we kill n'zoth

[still pagoda]

dropped today

[gray bane]

which I guess might take a few weeks

and yeah I have the 465 one from AD

[ionic fern]

[still pagoda]

[gray bane]

I hate you a little right now :p

[still pagoda]

well

at least now i have 475 shield that is a great base for TD3

lucky with 3 weekly chests in a row so far

[gray bane]

yeah I have the 475 weapon from wrathion which I cleansed cause it was fuckall damage... but you cannot apply corruptions to items you cleansed :DDDDDDDD

so that's great

[still pagoda]

feels like i won't be that lucky on my monk

which is technically becoming my new main due to server and faction move

[gray bane]

my monk is already decked out in TD, somehow https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/niuwen

which I guess it's good since it's my main, but other than TD, terrible luck with gear

don't even have the head/weapon from maut yet

honestly thinking about asking my raid leader if I can come on my warrior this mythic week so that I can pug maut on my monk and get the head/staff

[left hatch]

if it makes you feel better i havn't used anything from my hDH's chest ever

[still pagoda]

[left hatch]

all the 475 gear i get is garbage with mastery on it and bad corruption

[still pagoda]

you know

the same can be the fate of my monk

never using any items from weekly chest 'cause of haste on them

[left hatch]

so im decked out in raid, gear from 15's and some pieces from 5 masks

[still pagoda]

[left hatch]

haste isn't awful tho

like you still want ilvl

its like mastery for wars

[gray bane]

I have way too much haste on my monk, vs crit/vers that I actually want

[still pagoda]

ilvl>mastery>verse=crit

so it kinda goes with mastery being monk's haste

[left hatch]

yeh but... how do they always put it

[gray bane]

I did manage to drop a bunch of haste in exchange for vers recently though, but I need some of dem sweet, sweet vers corruptions

[left hatch]

Mast, verse and Crit are all S tier stats for BM

BrM*

[mild river]

Hey guys. I have a doubt. I have 2 ranks of ineffable truth. 2 rank 1 actually. My question is do they proc separately? Or is just one proc of 60%?

[left hatch]

while haste is like an A tier

[still pagoda]

haste is just good, but not over the board

[left hatch]

so not the end of hte world to have it

[still pagoda]

more on DPS side of things

[left hatch]

limited use* is more accurate

and yah garbage for damage lol

[gray bane]

I think I went a little bit overboard on the haste on my warrior haha

[left hatch]

no such thing

[gray bane]

I have 2x 12% haste from all sources on that one

[left hatch]

but you also shouldn't be dropping haste for verse

ever

[gray bane]

I actually changed some sockets/enchants to vers instead cause I felt a bit squishy

no?

hmm

[left hatch]

haste>crit is always a better statline in M+

defensively

[mild ore]

awakened mobs give necrotic stacks every mellee like bosses right?

[gray bane]

I was sitting at around 44% haste without into the fray 😂

[left hatch]

thats still not too much

like you should drop those expedients for TD

[gray bane]

alright, guess I change shit back

yeah

well, now that is an option

[left hatch]

but versa isn't a factor to consider until yo'ure pushing into like 24,25,26

[gray bane]

it wasn't before, the only TD I ever got on my warrior was those gloves

[left hatch]

and despite perfect play you're being 1-shot

[gray bane]

fair enough

[ionic fern]

@mild ore yes.

[left hatch]

ppl overestimate how much verse does because they see world 1st key pushers using it

it scales very very slowly (80some per .5% DR)

and isn't as effective mitigation for the vast majority of damage in M+ as crit or haste are

and even for magic damage, that extra... what 10% verse you could get moving things around

that 5% DR isn't going to save you from a group that doesn't know how to interrupt shrine mobs

[gray bane]

yeah that makes sense

my crit is also fairly low

[left hatch]

don't drop ilvl to get it up or anything

[gray bane]

but now that the corruption vendor is a thing I can look into shuffling some of my gear with more ideal stats around

[left hatch]

its still Ilvl>everything else

[gray bane]

yeah, of course 🙂

but I have a pretty beefy collection of rings chilling in my bags haha

[left hatch]

but getting more of it in the long run will for sure reduce your EHRPS

[ionic fern]

I'm just gonna put Leech on everything.

[gray bane]

so I can always look into swapping some of those

[left hatch]

especially this week

crit is SUPER valuable

[gray bane]

yeah, conflict major time

[left hatch]

uhh no

[gray bane]

at what rate does crit increase parry chance?

[left hatch]

its still VoP major lol

[gray bane]

no? I thought it's great for necrotic?

[left hatch]

i mean sure... but you don't need it

[still pagoda]

scrolling through dungeon/M+ lfg on horde rn

SO MANY KEYS

[left hatch]

you already have shockwave, intercept, heroic leap and a 30% slow from sphere minor potentially

[still pagoda]

i'm definitely not returning to ally once i transfer my warrior over here to Kazzak

[left hatch]

to help you reset stacks

and thats if things are alive long enough to give you 30-40+ stacks depending on what your healer is comfy with

just run sphere minor and literally walk away from mobs when you g otta reset lol

[gray bane]

hm okay, fair enough 🙂

I haven't really started m+ until a couple weeks ago

haven't had to deal with necrotic yet on my warrior haha

[left hatch]

its barely noticable

since necrotic doesn't hurt block

[gray bane]

oh yeah? okay well, guess I'll give it a shot 🙂

[left hatch]

and like i said we already have a ton of mobility in built in case you do gotta reset

[gray bane]

would like to push my score a bit more, sadly only got to 2636 last week

[left hatch]

i think the only time CnS major is even slightly viable

is if you're pairing it with Verse amps in stupid high keys

to get more value from its doubled verse amount

and even them im fairly certain Lucid Major is a better play at that point anyway

[gray bane]

yeah I would imagine so

alright, thanks a lot for the input 🙂

I am not too bad at playing prot warrior, but I definitely don't know enough about the theory behind it all

[left hatch]

well anything you want more clarification on feel free to ask

clearly you got the basics down

so the guides won't do much more for you

[gray bane]

yeah, overall I'm doing okay. I really hope monk won't completely dominate raids next expansion

[sick sentinel]

Cns major is good on some raid bosses

for prot warrior

[oblique garnet]

Cns major is very nice on necrotic weeks

On raid it is not good

[left hatch]

yah i can't imagine it being good in raid

[still pagoda]

there is no place in raid for it tho

[sick sentinel]

if you dont have a paladin tank for hivemind its great

[left hatch]

🤔

[oblique garnet]

?

[left hatch]

just kill the adds?

[oblique garnet]

What does the paladin do

[sick sentinel]

because you get interrupt off all the time

paladin has 2 interrupts

[left hatch]

wat

[oblique garnet]

Huh ?

[gray bane]

well I main monk for raids, but outside of raids I've primarily been playing my warrior recently

[sick sentinel]

which means he can interrupt ka zir on his own

[left hatch]

what does that have to do with CnS major

[sick sentinel]

if you are tanking it with prot warrior

you will use cns to get extra vers

[ionic fern]

I'm sorry, you've lost me.

[left hatch]

im not seeing any connection to that an interrupts

[sick sentinel]

interrupts double your vers for 5 secs

[ionic fern]

Yes

[left hatch]

double the verse FROM CnS

[ionic fern]

But why would i want that over other stuff like COF or VoP?

[sick sentinel]

which can mean you do more than having another major essence

[left hatch]

so instead of 10% verse yo'ull get 20%

thats... not much more

wooo 5% more DR

[sick sentinel]

if you are stacking it hard its great

[left hatch]

stacking what hard

[sick sentinel]

versatility

[amber siren]

[left hatch]

amps?

cause CnS major doubles the value from CNS STACKS

not all your versa

so itll give you 10% more as a major opposed to a minor

not big value

and if you're stacking Versa amps on hivemind you're already making a 4head misplay

cause TD exists and would like to have a chat

[sick sentinel]

i already use td tho

[gray bane]

😂

[sick sentinel]

thats why i think its good

[gray bane]

use more td

more td, more better

[sick sentinel]

but i dont have more

so i use passive vers instead

[left hatch]

not the ideal

but yah that CnS major is giving you like 10% more verse

which isn't close to as much value as VoP major would give

[gray bane]

what argument can I use to let my raid leader let me use my warrior on n'zoth instead of my monk? 😄

we're not reclearing until n'zoth dies and I desperately need drops from maut on my monk

[left hatch]

i mean hes making you take your monk to nzoth no?

so.... just say hey my monk isn't ready for nzoth unless i do maut

so its warrior on nzoth... or we reclear

[gray bane]

nah they know my monk is fine to kill n'zoth :p

[left hatch]

rip

[strong forum]

Then just tell him it doesn't come down to warrior or monk

Neither should have a positive or negative impact

[left hatch]

well warrior in theory has more dps

[gray bane]

yeah I didn't ask him yet, I don't think there's any clear up/downside to either

[left hatch]

kill psychus faster/ cleaner down phase/ profit

[gray bane]

yeah guess so, my monk has more TD haha

[fleet cedar]

Hi guys, I only play as tank in Mythic+.
Can you guys advise me which one of these two shields is best for that scenario? I've read the guides but I am not sure whats better due to the lack of a secondary stat on the 475 shield.

[south yarrow]

475

[sweet summit]

Item level is king on shields

Always

[hallow phoenix]

And weapons

... and most other things

[fleet cedar]

Thanks a lot!

[hallow phoenix]

The block value and armor on shield are what makes ilvl so important

[left hatch]

and in the case of other slots

more stats>ideal stats

generally

[mild river]

Hey guys. I have a doubt. I have 2 ranks of ineffable truth. 2 rank 1 actually. My question is do they proc separately? Or is just one proc of 60%?

[amber siren]

afaik only one that procs independently is lash of the void

[strong forum]

1 proc of 60%

[mild river]

Ok thanks

[strong forum]

If IT would have seperate procs it would actually be so much stronger than it is

[alpine spruce]

R1 TD or 2xR1 IT?

[strong forum]

TD

R1 IT is only a strong filler, not as strong by itself. And you only want 1

Getting more is fun, but overkill

[hallow phoenix]

Is it a better filler than expedient?

[alpine spruce]

yeah well this week is R5 TD so no fillers anymore

[hallow phoenix]

Catching up on corruption resistance on new alts is atrocious

I'm 8 weeks behind on an alt until I'm all caught up and no amount of grinding can make that go faster :(

[swift kiln]

haste amp > vers amp for higher keys aye?

[hallow phoenix]

Yes

You'll know when you need the vers amp because things will just kill you with no real counterplay. I'm doing 22s and 23s and I'm not there yet

[strong forum]

I'd say R1 IT is better fill than expedient cuz of SR

[mighty gulch]

i just got back to the game, in terms of keys, and in terms of raids, can someone give me a quick tldr of what essences, secondary stats, and corruptions to take?

[stiff oracle]

Check the pins

#268491842637660160

[sweet summit]

VoP major
CnS/Lucid/sphere/aegis/void/warden minors
Ilvl>haste>crit
Twilight Dev

[bold flame]

How much mastery do I want on gear?

[sweet summit]

There is no such thing

You want the highest ilvl gear possible, combined with the highest possible haste if items are equal ilvl

[bold flame]

Ok lets say I can equip all 475 ilvl pieces with 0 mastery. Is that ok?

[amber siren]

sure

[bold flame]

ok ty

[rich raptor]

Anyone knows if lingering sporepods is worth equipping? 15 ilvls higher than all other trinkets I have

[sweet summit]

[modern brook]

[still pagoda]

i didn't equip it back when it was +40 for me

[sweet summit]

@rich raptor what are the other trinkets?

[still pagoda]

vendored as fast as i could after acquiring actual trinkets

[rich raptor]

rezan and fang

[still pagoda]

use those

[sweet summit]

Fang

[still pagoda]

and swap out fang for goreblock, humming or vita

it will be better

[rich raptor]

Alright

thanks for the help

[sweet summit]

Fang is good damage, but you might die very fast if you miss-use it

So keep that in mind

[brittle owl]

fang is potentially the best damage in the game for keys

so it's entirely worth to learn how to use properly

[sweet summit]

Yes

But

Vita+rezan dream?

[brittle owl]

smol iq

vita+fang

and you fang during vita buff

[stone beacon]

can any one plz link fang to see

[sweet summit]

BIG IQ

[brittle owl]

[sweet summit]

Merekthas fang, from temple of sethraliss @stone beacon

[stone beacon]

:p

[brittle owl]

muhREKTha

[sweet summit]

haHAA

[gray bane]

what's the ideal trinket setup? currently I have 475 humming and 465 rezan

sadly I don't have lingering psychic shell yet :p

[brittle owl]

there is no ideal

[sweet summit]

Vita+something thats not a tank trinket

[brittle owl]

besides hardlocking vita

[still pagoda]

there is no ideal since we have different key levels, random sockets and stuff

[gray bane]

yeah don't have that one either yet :/

fair enough

[brittle owl]

diff key levels, diff damage profiles, diff comps etc etc

vita is autolocked for anyone that runs m+

no matter the role/spec

[still pagoda]

Vita+something thats not a tank trinket
@sweet summit

Like... Doesn't LPS have place in raids?

i don't remember

[brittle owl]

it's stupid overbudget and stacking 5 in a group is yuge

[gray bane]

yeah I don't have it yet :p

[brittle owl]

LPS is good for ilgy/nzoth

for prot

maybe vex

but it's a hard maybe there

[gray bane]

fair enough

[still pagoda]

and btw. When main char rio starts showing on new alt that was already added to the database as 120?

[gray bane]

I think you need to at least have some kind of progress on it?

[still pagoda]

ah

ok

[main vault]

Redo your bnet

On the site

[dense thicket]

is it worth stacking vers corruption after td 3/4 if im focusing on mythic+ content?

[amber siren]

no

[still pagoda]

ehem... It shows the char as my alt, but no rio yet. @main vault

which is strange

maybe it's because i haven't done any keys on that one...

[main vault]

Well yeah, you don’t have an io until you do one

[blissful pebble]

https://support.raider.io/kb/raider-dot-io-mythic-plus-addon/can-i-have-my-mains-score-show-when-on-my-alts

[still pagoda]

ok

thanks

[nova idol]

Is it worth taking 465 block over 460 dragonscale? the other trinket is rezan's

[still pagoda]

your alt must meet the current minimum score of 200

pfff

that's easy

just few +5's

and the score will start showing up

[main vault]

Yeah that’s makes sense

[gray bane]

I guess the addon database would be massive otherwise

[still pagoda]

exactly

[worn basalt]

i kinda like the uptime of dragonscale, so thats my pick.

Additionally, i'm running 12% haste as one of my corruption so it does better there also

[rain tapir]

with ineffable truth r1 on vendor today will it be worth buying it or do u guys think it's gonna get giga nerfed?

[sweet summit]

Ye ineff is good

Dont see a reason to nerf it

[rain tapir]

ye but r1 is to good

[sweet summit]

Not really

[rain tapir]

what, itäs more wirth equipping 5 rank1 insteed of one rank3 + rank2

[still pagoda]

they may just actuate r2 to r1

or r1 to r2(by nerfing ofc)

[rain tapir]

ye I think so to, r1 might be a trap

[nova idol]

@worn basalt Thanks

[still pagoda]

r1 is just good

it will be good even after

[sweet summit]

Ineff 2 isnt bad

Uts just that r1 is more value

So still wont be bad if they level them

[still pagoda]

since to actuate r1 to r2, it would need to be dropped to 25% speedup with 15 corruption

which is a totally minor nerf

[main vault]

There is no IT3

So of course it’s worth more

[gray bane]

@worn basalt yeah I even have 2x 12% haste atm :p

[ionic fern]

Smh.

[sweet summit]

At least a 475

[blissful pebble]

Has anyone seen or got anything that adds bot locations to the map on Junkyard?

[crimson hatch]

is it worth to take CaS for major essence for mtyhic keys 19+ this week?

[sweet summit]

No

[crimson hatch]

why?

😄

[still pagoda]

well, a 475 shield is a 475 shield

[crimson hatch]

I got 3 Rezan 475

fml

[crystal dirge]

hey guys, what's the word on mastery% for us? is it any worth with the amount of mastery we get from BoMs? Talking dungeons mainly 🙂

[sweet summit]

There are better options

[crimson hatch]

like lucid dreams?

[wild lance]

So the DK discord has been moving away from TD for overall dmg since now the versa corruption is more easily available. Thoughts?

Since you can stack up 6-7+ of the versa 20% ones, getting very high amounts of extra dmg, as well as overall reduced dmg taken. Seems it hsould be optimal for warriors too?

[old cypress]

I plan to go Twilight rank 5/6 then vers amps

for mythic+

[sweet summit]

@crimson hatch vop major

Not vers amps nada

TD all the way, fill therest with IT/expedient

[main vault]

Vers is also their strongest stat

Where Warriors isn’t

[old cypress]

Wouldn't vers be ideal for us as well at high key levels vs. expedient?

[sweet summit]

@wild lance we are not DKs, we want TD and haste

[main vault]

High key levels sure

[sweet summit]

At like +25/26 maybe

[main vault]

But no one is doing those besides like 10 people in the world

[wild lance]

Fair enough, thanks for the replies

[crimson hatch]

@sweet summit thanks, I'll check

[long bronze]

so EU vendor same as NA

aka they know to buy or save

[still pagoda]

aka they're betatesting

[blazing gale]

how are you pulling keys this week? big packs go up to 15stacks aoe stun > leap away and hope your dps have enough aoe to melt ? 😄

[crystal dirge]

last week we've been doing 24s, I like to think that the surging vitality-TD3-expedient I combo for 36 corruption was the best I could do

we didn't really miss extra dmg from my TDs, and versa helped me with mistakes/general dmg

[potent anvil]

Generally, you want to go towards doing more damage rather than less. That said, you also don't want to easily fall over. So if putting on more vers corruption helps you live over TD then that's acceptable. Good play will cover more than stacking vers, though.

[crystal dirge]

man 5k for rank3 expedient feels like nothing

[amber siren]

just don't make ever make mistakes

[still pagoda]

never ever

[potent anvil]

Just play formless to steal blood and then blame healer if you die

[crystal dirge]

we depleted ToS23 by 2 sec yday cause healer got killed by a chain lightning, dh kicked the guardian instead

kekw

still hurts tbh

[still pagoda]

Just play formless to steal blood and then blame healer if you die
@potent anvil

But how is this different from running VoP which barely boosts our survivability

[shrewd crypt]

Just don’t get hit

[still pagoda]

just stagger bro

[crystal dirge]

tbh I dont run VoP major for stuff above 21, I changed it for lucid dreams

2min cd helps with combustion pulls / general cd reduction on your stuff

[jolly thistle]

Yeah that’s don’t even change it back if I run some low keys with my guild

[crystal dirge]

I go rank6 TD VoP full dps blast if i go lower xD man's gotta have fun sometime

[potent anvil]

The only time I change major is like 24+ fort KR. Did a 24 KR last week with everlasting major just for zul. Lived the whole fight,

[still pagoda]

and all other time you steal BotE

[potent anvil]

I managed 109k in a 24 FH last week. Missed 2 chest by like 40s though or something.

[crystal dirge]

ive just talked to another warr tank in my guild he said he used i think 3 surging vitalities for high zul

had 70% proc versa

I dont really go over 70k in dungeons tbh, unsure if it's play or more TDs then for you

I manage around 100k in FH before bosses lower it

[potent anvil]

I found everlasting major for zul to be pretty strong. At some point you'll be out of gas, and the healer has nothing but pumping heals. When you cheat, you get 85% dr for 3s, and a shield wall reset. So you can SW after that huge DR and the healer can sustain you. Usually at that point, you have 1 min CDs (nzoth trinket, iron bark, etc) to cycle again.

[crystal dirge]

yeh makes sense tbh, I've played everlasting once so far, but wasn't sure about value, I'll make sure to try cause 23 Zul got me yday actually 😄

healer was used to a dh tank so I flopped as soon as my cds ran out lul

[potent anvil]

It's what gave me the most success, so far. I tried lucid major, but I dunno. Good for the first half, but you'll still need something if you want to live later. I think with corruption vendor, dps and heals will be higher than ever so maybe you can go full damage at some point.

[crystal dirge]

my guy just said he jumps off as 3rd boss is dying, spawns at entrance, swaps to never surrender etc and goes back in to 3rd boss spawn

xD

[warm plinth]

Swapping to Never Surrender heh. Hope he’s not doing very high keys because not having Bolster for Dazar on Tyrannical doesn’t sound fun.

[still pagoda]

^

[crystal dirge]

forti dazar does fuckall with melees, so saving blocks for blade combo is np

[still pagoda]

hope he's not doing mid tier keys since Dazar without bolster isn't fun here too

[crystal dirge]

that's what I do anyways, cause i tend to spam my block charges away

[meager pewter]

what are people looking at instead of gushing wounds with the nerf incoming?

[crystal dirge]

don't think we've looked for wounds in the first place, TDs expedients afaik

[still pagoda]

what are people looking at instead of gushing wounds with the nerf incoming?
@meager pewter

We were stacking TD before that, we will continue

[meager pewter]

ok

[river linden]

can anyone do a sim for me for survability for prot tank

i am still new too it

[sweet summit]

Impossible

You can only sim for dps

[still pagoda]

sim
survivability

WUT?!

[mortal brook]

there are many survival sims. like 7 Days to Die. there are no survival sims for wow tanking tho

[still pagoda]

^

[chilly brook]

Just make a spread sheet

Write down block

And unblocked hits

Check the block box

Boom

[sick sentinel]

Yo guy's what do u think about tons of expedient ?

[chilly brook]

Theres your survival sim

Aka just block

@sick sentinel not as good as stacking TD, possibly good if you just need more blocks in an extended fight

[weary trellis]

Guys another question 😄 i currently run: Vision Rank3 Major, Lucid R2, C&S R1, Aegis R3... Would it make sense to swap C&S for something else? e.g. Warden R3?

M+ related

[chilly brook]

@river linden all jokes aside make sure you're blocking as much as possible against swingers or shoot boys

@weary trellis no

Cns is a forever lock

It's the most impactful minor

[weary trellis]

i see ^^

[chilly brook]

I would drop aegis before I would drop cns

Oh

You have rank 1 Cns

Get that to rank 3 what are you waiting for

[brisk sparrow]

rank 1 C&S is pretty bad tbh and you should definetly run one corruption resistance essence

[chilly brook]

I missed the rank 1 part

That's a big oof

[brisk sparrow]

so until you get rank 3 swap out C&S

[weary trellis]

you can only get r3 through ranked, right?

so until you get rank 3 swap out C&S
@brisk sparrow Any recommendations?

[chilly brook]

Uhhh

Hit 1400

[weary trellis]

xD

[chilly brook]

Then cap through warmode invasions every week

Literally all you have to do

[weary trellis]

already doing the cap part but missing the rating

[brisk sparrow]

Strength of the warden is really good, the formless void ist decent also, if you have rank 3 and a crucible of flame user in your group

[weary trellis]

i don't have void, but just earned warden r3 🙂

[chilly brook]

As far as rating is concerned you literally cant lose rating before 1400

So just grind games

[weary trellis]

lol, didn't knew that

[chilly brook]

Just play arms find a healer and pve

[sick sentinel]

guys i have a question regarding sr. so i think detrails has a built in tracker now. but my issues is, wa of sr amount is different than from details. why so?

[brisk sparrow]

after 1k you are able to lose rating, but 1.4k is pretty easy to get, even with bad gear

[chilly brook]

You can't lose rating before 1400

[blissful pebble]

On a related note I had heard spell reflection was added to details but was unsure on how to see it. Anyone can advise?

[chilly brook]

Its literally not possible

@blissful pebble no clue tbh

[atomic grove]

Yo boys, which corruptions are u aiming for with new system for m+? TD3 and 12% versa I guess?

[warm plinth]

TD and more TD

[chilly brook]

@atomic grove why would you be going for vers

[still pagoda]

teaching newbs how to do SotS is fun and not fun at the same time

[chilly brook]

Gross monk

Jk

I main one

[strong forum]

monk 👉 🚪

[still pagoda]

yeye... I'm a monk player now. But that's because i didn't want to create another warrior

[strong forum]

smh

[chilly brook]

I mean I wouldn't want to level even with this xp boost

[still pagoda]

wiping on 2nd boss of SotS in +3

[chilly brook]

Doing a +3

[still pagoda]

well, i've dinged 120 on this char last night

ofc i'll have to do some random shit

[chilly brook]

Nah dude you're a monk just go straight into 10s

[still pagoda]

well, no one sees my main char's rio until i get 200 on this one

[long bronze]

pog

[robust meteor]

What are people doing for corruption in the raid? Which is best to stack? M+ pretty obvious just stacking TD.

[tender spade]

Got an 8% leech curroption on my prot warrior, i guess thats actually good for self sustain, or who good is leech actually?
I more or less only do m+ on it

[sick sentinel]

How good is rank 1 ennefable truth for prot from an overall defense/ attack perspective?

[warm plinth]

@tender spade It's bad. Cleanse it.

@sick sentinel It's good in certain niche situations but overall it's not that great.

[sick sentinel]

The reduction on defensive would be good right?

With VoP?

[tender spade]

@warm plinth
Thanks alot

[sick sentinel]

I got a 470 ring with socket

Haste crit from FH

Myth+ setting

[warm plinth]

Definitely a good ring, and if it has IT on it already and it fits in your budget, you can keep it

But I wouldn't buy IT to put on it or anything

[sick sentinel]

Is it worth buying an expedient? Or waiting to see next list option had td?

[still pagoda]

Got an 8% leech curroption on my prot warrior, i guess thats actually good for self sustain, or who good is leech actually?
I more or less only do m+ on it
@tender spade

leech is on that level

[sick sentinel]

i mean fem loves leech, and he is r2 prot Kappa

[strong forum]

except that hes not running leech

[sick sentinel]

anyonme fo you running crit build this week? or just normal shit?

[tender spade]

@still pagoda
Love it, thanks

[strong forum]

gore butcher block is a bit more usable this week, outside of that you stack crit regardless

after haste ofc

[sick sentinel]

feelycraft on m,y 18-20 farming today says i can tank a little bit longer before kite with crit socket and more crit gear

[ionic fern]

Haste/crit IS the "normal shit" in m+.

[warm plinth]

Mwahi is the normal shit in m+

[sick sentinel]

yea i just gemmed my 10 pieces with crit and some crit/vers pieces

instead of haste/vers

[ionic fern]

I'm in a m+ right now so i can't elaborate.

[strong forum]

why would you drop haste for crit

[sweet summit]

why would you gem vers in the first place

[sick sentinel]

at some point i have 40 stacks and cant survive even with block and have to kite...i FEEEL like with crit i can tank a little bit longer xD

because more parry

[strong forum]

sure, but gimping your haste for that

is inting

youll have to kite regardless

every now and again

[still pagoda]

^

[sweet summit]

my feelycrafting is dying>kiting