and use rezan+block
#protection
sweet summit
lean arch
Block over Vita or scale?
mortal brook
keep vita
lean arch
I have heroic Vita and mythic scale, both socketed
warm plinth
Then you're basically set
lean arch
Just never saw block recommend over haste trinkets before
sweet summit
its good
warm plinth
He wasn't recommending block over a haste trinket
sweet summit
but haste is the better stat for us
warm plinth
He was telling that guy to farm block because he already has rezan
And it's a farmable trinket
lean arch
Fair nuff
lean arch
Finally got a 475 shield today out of chest. Versatile, too. And expedient belt from first vision. Today is a good day
sweet summit
versatile 
lean arch
?
sweet summit
not the best one, but still decent
lean arch
Better than the is and tendies I've been getting
rigid sinew
vers is good
sweet summit
tendie>versatile tbh
rigid sinew
23 fort zul 
sweet summit
just live
lean arch
I only tank m+ so
rigid sinew
forgot to run cheat death essence
warm plinth
Just have a VDH tank 4head
sweet summit
ye just have your DH spec VDH and shear spam
warm plinth
I think our HPal does like 30k HPS fighting Zul because our VDH just does all the healing himself XD
lean arch
23... 18 had me like 
tame garden
warm plinth
Good god
rigid sinew
i run with disc priest
tame garden
its just flat 10 rage cost atm
warm plinth
Oh, I thought they added that weird extra rage consumption thing to it
I wasn't paying much attention
tame garden
no that was on ptr at one point but they changed their minds
warm plinth
So 10 rage for 36% or?
tame garden
yeah
warm plinth
That's pretty good
tame garden
but we have an azerite trait to extend it
craggy agate
Is Conflict and Strife good for this week with Necrotic?
deft vortex
Void Ritual any good for Prot warrior?
sweet summit
its good stats, not TD tho :/
warm plinth
Generally, it's alright. But relatively worse than alternatives
deft vortex
gotcha, i have a r3 TD over a r3 void ritual so ill prolly cleanse the void ritual then for the ilvl and stat upgrade
median vine
What essences yall use for horrific visions
sweet summit
CoF major
CnS+VoP+Sphere personally
sweet summit
and cyclo for bosses
toxic gyro
I’m too lazy too swap lol. I just keep my vita + fang on
But that’s a good point, cyclo is still great for bosses
median vine
Ty ty
wary pivot
Hi guys quick question. Are warrior gains rage with their auto attacks when these auto attacks are miss dodged blocked or parried by npc ? ty
modern brook
Uhhhh i believe u still get the rage
warm plinth
Only successful auto attacks give you rage iirc, same with being hit (though blocked hits are counted as successful in that case)
modern brook
Honestly i dont know enough to really argue it, but im fairly certain the rage gain is on the attack, not on the hit
im sure we can reference a log for rage gain vs autoa ttack damage instances and look for a parry
but that sounds like a lot of work for what boils down to something you cant play around anyways
stark sage
if it works the same as fury/arms you need to actually hit to gain rage
lucid dew
just realized I can equip up to TD12 lol
that would be nuts
people are going to be rocking like TD8 right before shadownlands
have they confirmed what max corruption resistance will be yet
wary pivot
mmm pretty contradictory info :p. i guess i have to test it in game :p
but ty 🙂
@modern brook great idea
solar tree
What essences Should Prot warrior use if u dont have conflict and strife R3 yet?
warm plinth
Lucid/Sphere and either Aegis or Formless/Warden if you need CR
Assuming you mean minors ofc
solar tree
Major VoP?| and then 3 of those?
tame garden
ya
solar tree
ty^^
blazing current
hey guys. wanna see porn?
sweet summit
😳
sweet summit
😄
blazing current
not mine
slate pond
uncorrupted rings though 📈
strong forum
Ye they're gonna rise in price actually
Not alot of people have access to uncorrupted 475 loot
So until they fix the cleansed part, those will be popular
main shoal
Lol i got this from chest looting as fury spec
it seems the game wants me to stick as prot
strong forum
I mean fury also kinda uses TD in m+
main shoal
But haste vers
still pagoda
lags(according to tracing, on the side of the blizzard again...) and a tea break... I'm only approaching 120
3/4 of xp bar left
strong forum
My Russians buddies had massive issues with wow in the past couple days
But wow exclusively
strong forum
Both of em at the same time
lucid dew
what do you guys thinking abot running some gushing wound in mythic plus
once we can buy corruption
or still all TD
warm plinth
Well, gushing is good because it can be used to fill in gaps in your budget. Overall you're still going to be running TD in keys
But you might have a gushing in there as well to fill it out
strong forum
I'd rather run expedient or ineffable truth
lucid dew
what abouty raid?
warm plinth
Yeah expedient is a good filler, as well as IT1
chrome palm
does TD rank 3 have the same dmg per corruption as ranks 1 and 2?
or is there an increase as you go from 1 -> 2 -> 3
where the dmg/corruption is greatest as you go up?
or is each rank equivalent, no matter how many pieces make up the ranks
as in 3xrank1 == 1xrank3
chrome palm
ok ty
reef hornet
A friend was telling me Surging Vit is very good for Mythic+ do I wanna aim for atleast 4 in total for that?
hidden plaza
No
reef hornet
the wowhead and icyvein guides show offensive rankings, is there a chart anywhere that shows their ranks for defensive corruptions
warm plinth
Surging Vitality is used for like...giga high keys where you need a lot of vers to survive the onslaught.
still pagoda
Fuck this shit
i can finally start gearing up new main char in a somewhat different regional community
still pagoda
not on EU
chrome palm
any word on if they work with cleansed items yet?
still pagoda
9 hours till he is up here
red dock
What corruption should I stack for M+? haste?
main vault
They don’t work on cleansed items
still pagoda
fill in rest of the gaps with haste amp or IT1
main vault
And they may never
still pagoda
just like they won't fix walls in Tol Dagor and WCM
onyx vessel
warm plinth
Well, they've never said they were going to fix either of those dungeons. They DID say "We are looking into whether it will be possible to fix this, but we don't want to hold up the whole system in the meantime" about the cleansed thing
Frankly I would be fine with them changing weekly cache items to not corrupt if they can't fix it though
real fossil
other than tdev, what pieces will you buy for prot? vers %? expedient?
still pagoda
i would buy out last TD3 i need and go on to gear arms
wicked orchid
Should I still use vita if I have a trinket 30 ilvls above it?
chilly brook
@warm plinth if they can't fix it that's the best solution imo
warm plinth
I agree
cloud umbra
TD3 + r3 expedient stack for m+?
warm plinth
https://www.wowhead.com/bluetracker?topic=530666®ion=us This is actually hilarious
Nerfing GW by 35% because people can finally get it
chilly brook
Big rip to GW
I dont really see it as a broken corruption and ofc it being efficient is the biggest attraction but like that's the whole point efficiency is always attractive
What's next nerf the next efficient corruption? Incoming TD nerf amirite?
cosmic oasis
but now u can get it for fucking 15k and god knows how long till the vendor has it now
peak grail
whats the next best corruption for M+ if I already have TD3?
warm plinth
More TD
TD doesn't get worse so, no reason not to have more if you can fit it into your budget
warm plinth
You can do TD5 at sub 40 corruption if you're caught up on your cloak
Once you do a vision or N'zoth this week
mild idol
Quick question about blocking in warriors. Can you critical block at all times or only when Sb is up?
warm plinth
You can critical block any block
If you don't have Shield Block up, then the game basically rolls (based on your block chance) to see if you block. If it's a successful block, it then rolls (based on your crit block chance) if that block is a critical block
lone folio
Is the shield from OP: Mechagon any good?
I just got one at 475 with infinite stars rank 3
My old one is from ilgynoth HC
lone folio
I see
warm plinth
All that matters for shield is ilevel so since it's a 15 ilevel upgrade, you'll use it
warm plinth
I'd cleanse it tbh
IS is not useful in enough situations to keep it
Not on a shield anyway
chilly brook
Well stuff obtained today and onward can be cleansed and recorrupted
severe swallow
best race for prot? (horde)
sick sentinel
🐼
left hatch
race doesn't really matter
the racials are balanced so any gain is extremely minimal outside of utility
still pagoda
best race for prot? (horde)
@severe swallow
BE
left hatch
Belf has an aoe purge which is nice if you need it for some keys
still pagoda
AoE purge and dat butt
left hatch
but otherwise jsut picck what you like the look of
still pagoda
I already feel that AoE purge will be a godsent tomorrow when i'll start keying on my BrM
Lower key pugs don't purge shit usually
Dunno how it is on horde(will find out tomorrow) but on EU ally... This is pizdec
chilly brook
@severe swallow literally just play what you like the look of
still pagoda
Just kite
golden cloud
is ineffable truth good for prot warr cd reduction (defensive-wise)?
drifting juniper
could someone give me a rundown on how i can get echoes? i have not gotten a single one on my character
chilly brook
IT was pretty garbo last time I used it but that's my experience
still pagoda
is ineffable truth good for prot warr cd reduction (defensive-wise)?
@golden cloud
Yep, mostly for SR
chilly brook
it's honestly not a horrible corruption but not ideal
still pagoda
Not great, not terrible
chilly brook
@drifting juniper look at wowhead
drifting juniper
i don't understand what is written on wowhead
everyone talks about rank 3 essences on alts, i don't have alts
golden cloud
i have a little corruption to fit a rank1 ineffable and have been having issue with pug healers so thought might be good defensively
still pagoda
everyone talks about rank 3 essences on alts, i don't have alts
@drifting juniper
Then you'll start getting them on your char only with the reset
warm plinth
Honestly the biggest issue with IT is that sometimes that shit just doesn't proc
lol
ripe shale
Full IT sounds Pog
drifting juniper
aight cool thanks @still pagoda
warm plinth
Yeah, I had a friend who tested it a bit and in 3 minutes had 1 proc
cobalt bison
golden cloud
i was thinking more for M+
warm plinth
But if it does proc, it can be really nice for some situations
Like if it procs when SR is on CD, it will let you SR two chemical burns on Rixxa back to back
golden cloud
ooh noice
ripe shale
IT works with AM right ?
warm plinth
Yeah
still pagoda
It works with everything
ripe shale
Imagine having 250%+ IT and lucid
warm plinth
So during a proc, 10 rage = 1.3 (or 1.5) seconds off your CDs
ripe shale
Perma cd
still pagoda
But there's no real reason to run IT pas 1xIT1
main vault
"We’ve made some progress on this subject today.
As of this morning, if you get a new Corrupted item and cleanse it, you can re-corrupt it using a Preserved Contaminant from the new system 2.
Unfortunately, items cleansed prior to maintenance this week remain unwilling to be re-Corrupted.
We’re also working on a hotfix that will add clarity to this, by highlighting Corruptable items in your bags when you activate a Preserved Contaminant. This should be very similar to how scrappable items light up when you use the scrapper."
still pagoda
main vault
It makes sense that they had to seperate the two "periods"
still pagoda
They're finally fixing bugs faster then never
main vault
TD says hi
still pagoda
warm plinth
No, there's no hope. Get that idea right out of your head!
still pagoda
I have clean 470 N'Zoth ring
main vault
"This week, with the release of SL prepatch, we have introduced the following bug fixes:
still pagoda
Good time to be alive
main vault
SPells will no longer pull through walls in TD"
warm plinth
Cue mass ragequits
still pagoda
Kek
warm plinth
I think n'zoth ring is my only ring upgrade now on my DH
I have 475 regal loa and 475 waycrest signet
limpid pawn
running td 5 now
main vault
You know what this means
limpid pawn
under 40 corruption
limpid pawn
also 465 pieces with sockets > 475 ? (gloves/belt)
warm plinth
Hunter will still use skitra
main vault
Naw
limpid pawn
in terms of M+
warm plinth
whispered truths is too good
still pagoda
I've already did 5 TD pulls of half of backyard in WCM
still pagoda
main vault
I forget how far it was
warm plinth
I mean, that's good because they can use a 485 weapon now lol
main vault
But yeah
still pagoda
Magic of math
warm plinth
I don't have that concern personally since I'll never have a 485 of anything
You have to have more than 3 brain cells to mythic raid
I'm only at 2
main vault
so close
still pagoda
Kek
No 485 weapon for me since i'm yet to even gear up my monk and find a raiding guild to go past my current 3/12
And i also won't move over my warrior until June
Quarantine&Stuff
limpid pawn
is 3/12 the new mythic pug hell
still pagoda
For which i'm "technically" a DPS, but tank due to unavailability of either one of our tanks
3/12 guilds will be 8/12 after enough weeks of buying corruption
@main vault
The i'm in won't
main vault
youd have to be super inting to not get more kills from brute force
still pagoda
How a guild can kill 4 bosses when they can't kill Wrathion normally
limpid pawn
oh nice
still pagoda
Without going over enrage
limpid pawn
im 10/12 now does that mean we will cutting edge w/ new corrupts
still pagoda
main vault
probably yeah
limpid pawn
yisss
main vault
By the last month or so of BFA people will have 50-100% more dps than they do now
still pagoda
First we get lots of casual guilds getting more than they usually do, and then, at the start of new expansion, those guilds start to fall apart because of difficulty returning to norm
limpid pawn
and using that as a threshold to kick dps who are under me lol
chrome palm
did anyone try applying corruption to a cleansed item?
main vault
smh
main vault
smh my head
vale bobcat
is td the only corruption worth buying for us?
still pagoda
youd have to be super inting to not get more kills from brute force
@main vault
How inting is it to kill mythic Wrathion in 11 minutes instead of normal 5-6?
Or to wipe on Maut because of both lacks of DPS and healing
main vault
You need to move fast
still pagoda
Already doing that. Tomorrow starts the key week
Monk is already at 120 and with heart and first essence quests done
So i'll be able to steamroll early gearing rn
And just move over my warrior when i will be able too(though those $45 bite)
flat jackal
30 faction change, 25 server transfer
main vault
This
limpid pawn
is this week easy? lol
obtuse tiger
azerite trait > ilvl or ilvl > azerite trait?
warm plinth
It's kind of middle of the pack-ish
Necrotic/Tyrannical blows on some dungeons
But it's okay overall
ilevel > azerite trait @obtuse tiger unless it's your first Deafening Crash trait
limpid pawn
think td5 is better than td3 + expedient
junior aurora
Whats best corruptions to stack for M+ around 15 (Other than TD)?
long bronze
vers amp
main vault
Wait
Someone just said Vers Amp
for a 15
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
you want another damage one
urban briar
would u buy a second rank 1 ineff just incase?
main vault
Its not super great for prot
placid oar
Morning guys, with the vendor now available. Would we have the ideal corruptions to stack? Just max TD and prob some expedient for keys below 23?
main vault
Think Arms is the only spec its good for
urban briar
what about in high keys?
pliant bane
is everyone buying expedients now then?
wise maple
where can i see the BiS items for prot? new player, sorry
main vault
BiS doesnt exist anymore
wise maple
welp, stats i should be looking for in pieces
main vault
TD>ilvl>Haste
placid oar
Check out icy veins for a good guide @wise maple it provided me with a really good starting point
wise maple
thanks
placid oar
Most welcome 😄
hardy mesa
What are our BiS azerite traits? Is it still 3 BOM, 2 MS, 1 DC?
warm plinth
Clockwork Heart and Heart of Darkness are both better than MS I believe
main vault
3BoM, 1DC, 2HoD
small steeple
so what is ideal corruptions now that the vendor is a thing?
amber siren
TD
small steeple
is it worth getting an expedient?
steady seal
prot warriors. ive never tanked in wow. should i take it on or am i gonna get absolutely shit on? 😄
small steeple
most fun tank
steady seal
prot warrior does decent dps also i think?
amber siren
fill your budget with the amount of TD you can, then pick something low cost like expedient, gw, IF etc
small steeple
really wished i knew when TD was coming up in the vendor
left hatch
lul ppl advocating Verse Amp
yes, that whole like 1% extra verse you get from it
much worth in a 15
verse amp isn't worth much on its own, we don't have any procs or anything for it besides CnS
so unless you're pairing it with the verse proc corruption its low value
main vault
Yeah, you wanna get the proc, or be gearing vers or etc
left hatch
(and you shouldn't be stacking it with the verse proc till you're doing like 24's anyway)
main vault
12% from sources doesnt mean anything if you dont have any sources
left hatch
yeh
main vault
As I just said in Guardian
You wanna stack TD until numerically you need Vers, which is higher than any of us will reach
left hatch
thats why the general rule of thumb is Damage corruptions>Stat procs > Stat amps
the amps alone (excluding maybe haste for us) just don't provide enough w/o pairing it with other shit
warm plinth
Nexii you just have to believe in yourself
main vault
Top runners are only using those things because they have all the gear they could possibly get, and it’s their only way of getting more survival
left hatch
more importantly are also playing perfectly
left hatch
verse stacking isn't going to save your 4head ass from dropping SB, or missing interrupts
main vault
The Bear dream is alive, I believe!
main vault
Yeah but that’s pvp no one really cares about that anymore
The #2 tank in the world is a Bear now
main vault
TD proc in meta is just a meme
left hatch
TD is making glut build comparable to Spirit Bomb in terms of output
main vault
Yeah
left hatch
if not better the more TD you stack lul
and is already eons ahead in survivability
TD is so silly on veng i do'nt even use my double ra-den weps
main vault
Yeah I’d be interested in ranking if more played Bear and DH
left hatch
because its a loss
i think DH might edge it out
because FTD is just
stupid tanky
has any other tank managed to 1-tank shad yet?
tawny maple
IF corruption outta my box woohoo
left hatch
IT or IS?
left hatch
ah, not the worst thing in the world
main vault
I got IS3
worthy spire
So just a random question, is the NA cycle for the vendor the same as EU, or will we get different corruptions in 5 hours
left hatch
nobody knows
tawny maple
Yeah but I like my 12% crit on my belt more so
main vault
It’ll prolly be the same
left hatch
id take IT over a crit amp personally
tawny maple
I got a 445 ring with r3 IS for the memes just sitting in my bags
main vault
I’m going to assume they matched a corruption pool to an assault type
tawny maple
I also keep the 12% cause I swap between fury and prot so much so
left hatch
ah fair
main vault
Not like you could corrupt over it anyways
left hatch
but you can corrupt that IT into a TD3 tho
main vault
Well I guess if you cleansed it now you could
left hatch
bigbrain strat
tawny maple
I thought at this time we couldnt corrupt cleansed items
main vault
You can
tawny maple
Due to technical issues or we
main vault
Yeah
left hatch
just not items you previously cleansed
tawny maple
ohhh
main vault
If you cleanse them after the change you can
main vault
They have a different “cleanse id”
tawny maple
coding is weird
worthy spire
The vessel has already been added to MOTHER's vendor table on EU for some reason
weird
tawny maple
I think theres a bug where some people can see them and some cant
Cause on my monk I can see em but not on my other characters
worthy spire
weird
main vault
Depends on shard
tawny maple
Ahhh the good ole shard trouble
main vault
Think if you toggle WM or whatever it may fix
worthy spire
Does anybody know if they're also increasing echoes of nyalotha gain rate?
left hatch
yes, x5 from all sources
placid oar
Was reading the above. So as a new tank, can I safely say that I wanna stack TD and then fill it with expedient till a comfortable corruption level?
worthy spire
Im also a new tank so cant say for sure, but im 95% positive you just stack TD
placid oar
Is IF actually good for us? I have some friends stacking IF for paladin tank
tawny maple
IT aint bad
placid oar
Thank u for the input Angelo
left hatch
IT is a better filler imo
placid oar
Ah I see
tawny maple
You want TD and haste corruptions
placid oar
Looks like I bought the wrong corruption 😆
left hatch
haste isn't awful
placid oar
Ahhh
placid oar
@left hatch Sir, would IT be the answer for a better filler than expedient then?
Ah okay
placid oar
Looks like I gotta remove that expedient then
left hatch
anything you cleansed before today isn't re-corruptable
placid oar
Yea I realised haha
I don’t mythic raid and only pug but was lucky to get into a mythic first 3 boss and got a bracers
So that’s the one I can corrupt with
Hopefully blizz can fix it somehow
left hatch
that dragonscale would be big value
left hatch
dw about %'s
placid oar
Oh okay
left hatch
you're not gonna hit the cap
placid oar
What should be the main thing to focus?
main vault
You can corrupt gear you got before
left hatch
for corruption? stacking TD
placid oar
We can’t nexii
placid oar
Okay got it
left hatch
you can roll with TD5 and stay below 40
placid oar
Oh u mean that
Yea I get what u mean now
Okay got it
Will aim for TD 5
Back to saving echoes
I spent my only 5k on expedient 😆
main vault
Just farm m+
worthy spire
Is tier 3 TD for sale on NA?
left hatch
can finally replace my 3 410 Severe 3 pieces on my BM
placid oar
Okay Nexii, will do that too
left hatch
or will be able to when its buyable
main vault
BM will finally stop using Skitra weapon eventually
amber siren
TD isn't up on the vendor yet
main vault
It’s a whole new world
placid oar
So in summary, I stack TD and fill it with IT/Expedient (Sims for best combo dps)
left hatch
yeh, saw that some combo of Sever and Expedient + nzoth wep
is better than skittra bow
main vault
Yeah
left hatch
crazy times
amber siren
IT, Honed Mind, Stikethrough, Masterful, Expedient, TA
placid oar
I will only consider versa if I ever hit 23s M+?
main vault
Strikethrough is underrated
left hatch
higher than that
placid oar
24?
main vault
There isn’t a number
main vault
It’s just the point where you can’t gain any survivability from any other source at all
main vault
Can’t get more gear, can’t play better, etc
left hatch
which shouldn't happen till that range
left hatch
if you're dying to shit earlier than that its player error
placid oar
I see
main vault
Vers is a last ditch effort after you have min maxed your comp and literally everything else
placid oar
Okay, understand
left hatch
and even then ppl arn't totally ditching TD
placid oar
For M+, the ideal secondary stats would be haste and versa right?
left hatch
HAste>crit
placid oar
Ye, I am not ditching my TDS though they are Lower ilvl
Okay got it
Ah so I want crit too?
Asking for the gear I have cos I am looking to restore some gear
left hatch
crit is more valuable than verse till you hit that range of being 1-shot
left hatch
anytime
cursive hedge
What essences would you guys recommend for a 467 prot warrior trying to push 15-ish keys?
left hatch
VoP Major, CnS, lucid and either Str of the warden or Sphere minors
str if you need resistance, sphere if you don't
cursive hedge
what's the reasoning behind using VoP as my major?
main vault
More Avatar
left hatch
its incredibly powerful for us?
it allows you to get 60-70% uptime on one of the strongest cds in the game
main vault
You like, never use anything else
cursive hedge
and it's powerful because of the damage? or because of the azerite trait?
left hatch
both lol
old cypress
gonna be worth buying expedient tomorrow/
left hatch
without the Azerite trait its still a massive offensive and defensive cd
and with it it becomes that much better
main vault
If you can’t get more TD
cursive hedge
does it have a defensive bonus without the increased mastery from bolster?
old cypress
only have td1 atm rip
main vault
:notsureif:
old cypress
but should have enough saved for td3 anyway
left hatch
besides the initial rage on use, you also gen at minimum 5 rage every other gcd
old cypress
sat at about 2k haste unbuffed atm so not sure if I need more
left hatch
which is the cornerstone of our tankiness
cursive hedge
ahh that definitely makes sense
main vault
Only 2k
old cypress
😛
left hatch
and then the... what 2k_? mastery from BoM
gives a shitload of critical block and AP increase
which besides giving more of a damage buff than baseline avatar
makes your IP's a decent 10-20k bigger
cursive hedge
yeah that's all great. im not asking because i doubt it, btw. i just like to understand the game mechanics
main vault
What have you been using?
left hatch
and not just "TLDR IT STRONK USE IT" at ppl lol
main vault
Hopefully not Anima
warm plinth
I saw a vod of a prot paladin the other day doing a 15 who was using Anima...MINOR 🙃 Hurt my soul a bit
cursive hedge
so i only have a rank 1 CnS. Is that worth using over rank 2 Strength of the Warden or Nullification Dynamo?
warm plinth
Rank 1 C&S is pretty bad
cursive hedge
yeah 😦
warm plinth
Are you unable to buy any R3s with echoes?
cursive hedge
naw, only been 120 seriously for 2 weeks 😦
main vault
Yeah coming back this late sucks
cursive hedge
rank 3 aegis
main vault
Might as well just have fun with it
cursive hedge
resistance meaning tankiness?
main vault
They give +10 corruption resistance
merry cave
I mean you can do a 15 with basically anything for now and work towards the good ones
cursive hedge
oh! i def need the corruption resistance
main vault
Now when you say need
left hatch
your first prio tho, sign up for some +2 Workshops to get that rank 3 vision (:
main vault
Would 10 resist let you wear something and keep you under 39 or 59
cursive hedge
yeah, i have a rank 3 TD on my belt
what would i use once my cloak upgrades enough where I won't need the resistance? Crucible of flame?
main vault
By then you’ll have more essences
cursive hedge
so TB is better than haste?
left hatch
pick up r1 sphere of suprression
cursive hedge
corruption?
left hatch
yeh TD is better than everything
cursive hedge
got it
cursive hedge
so how do i get sphere of suppression rank 1 if i already completed the quest and got the DPS essence?
left hatch
the pvp quartermaster sells it for like 5 marks of honor
cursive hedge
oh!!
that's in mugambala, right?
im new to horde
found it.
thanks!
ok, got that. Should I use that instead of one of these other ones?
left hatch
depending on how you pull, id use it over aegis
left hatch
for aeigis to be better than sphere you need to be in combat with 5 targets constantly
left hatch
so if you're not used to chain pulling or fighting bosses with mobs
yeh
and i wouldn't worry too much about kiting
even in 20's you only really do it on necro week
most of the time
we're disgustingly tanky against physical damage if yo'ure playing properly
and with smart play like using SW on SB downtime
you mitigate the times you would normally be booking it and waiting for SB charges
sand iris
uhm, so right now which would be the best possible corruptions for prot?
left hatch
TD5
sand iris
and that's it?
left hatch
if you wanna go above 40 you can toss on like a haste amp or IT1
left hatch
no problemo
viral garden
So, is the expectation of corrupton on fights with boss + 1-2 adds going to swap from Gushing to Echoing?
left hatch
if you're talking about raid bosses maybe
but for general use TD is better
and anything outside of exclusively ST like Shad TD will be better
viral garden
Yeah raid bosses specifically. Very few true single target fights for IF tp shine
To shine*
left hatch
TD is gonna be the way to go
its on par with EV in st, and anytime theres even a chance of another target showing up itll pull way ahead
viral garden
I was eyeballing the haste corruption up today and was wondering what all may shift in balance due to stuff like gushing wounds nerf
left hatch
the GW nerf doesn't change much
it was a filler at best
rn your best choice is a TD5
and if you wanna dip above 40 you add on an IT1 or haste amp
mortal brook
an expedient would likely fill gaps best now anywho, over a gw/ev
viral garden
I like to push it to 59 atm
left hatch
then yah an expedient or IT
left hatch
im not 100% if IT would pull ahead given it does give more uptime of Avatar compared to expedient
you ca n sim to double check
viral garden
I want to like IT but seems to be conflicting opinions on it often
mortal brook
just a shitty anger management
left hatch
more or less
viral garden
Too bad it doesn't affect shield block recharge
amber siren
im p sure it does
mortal brook
should
amber siren
but its not a huge gain
mortal brook
just not much
viral garden
Good to know
mortal brook
so about an exped lol
left hatch
eh the good part of IT isn't SB
mortal brook
id say exped just cuz thats TD procrate too
left hatch
its SR and the syngergy with AM
since it also increases the reduc of Anger management by that 30%
mortal brook
aye fair
left hatch
id go with w/e sims better
but i think IT is a better defensive option
as your filler
cursive hedge
is touch of the everlasting ever worth using? I have a choice to upgrade my dps or tank essence
left hatch
never
astral ice
whats our thoughts on ineffable bois
mortal brook
not bad, not TD. good as a filler for corruption budget between TDs, competitive in that regard to expedient
left hatch
it might see some play stacking in in World first keys
but if you're not pushing 26's
dw about having more than 1 of it
and only as a filler
astral ice
hmm. i went with expedient, haste my fav. only doin 20s rn, so just want something to fill till i get more TD
mortal brook
hell yeah
cursive hedge
whats the most ranks of TD you can wear at once?
astral ice
im rockin td3 exped3 vers2
cursive hedge
haha i mean wear and still be under like 40 corruption
astral ice
i think 4 rn to be under 40
mortal brook
5 this week
astral ice
oh wait actually 5 today? unless my math is wrong which it could be maf hard
cursive hedge
whats special about this week?
astral ice
got an extra 3 resist
cursive hedge
from our cloaks?
astral ice
cap for resist is 77 now
cursive hedge
nice! what cloak level do you get that?
tame garden
after rank 15 you get an additional 3 resist per malefic core
cursive hedge
ohhhhh. so this is a new mechanic
mortal brook
bout 2 months into it
cursive hedge
i killed nzoth last week and didnt get one
astral ice
ye ye. pretty lit. sadly all my tds are all on gloves so i can only wear a td3 lmao. then 2 pairs of td2 gloves as well fml
mortal brook
its only post-15
placid oar
Gratz!
round vortex
been hanging onto a MH with it for 3 weeks haha
ijust bought expedient from the vendor as well and now I don't think I can use it LOL
royal rune
another 2 levels of Td (from td 3) or 2x exp III?
mortal brook
td5 no thing this week \o/
warm plinth
2 levels of TD
exotic spoke
Hi qtpies
Expedient isn’t a bad option defensively. More haste is always nice
I have to start swapping from TD though >.>
tame garden
bis or ?
amber siren
🗞️
prisma crane
sick sentinel
It’s a meme
placid oar
Would anyone know if I restore a previously cleansed gear before this reset, can I actually corruption enchant it ?
ornate magnet
whats good essence combo for 18 workshop?
ionic fern
@placid oar afaik you can't corrupt items you have previously cleansed.
@ornate magnet in general you can safely run the same as you would run for any other dungeon.
You can also go for a more ST oriented build due to workshop not being trash heavy.
amber siren
you can corrupt items you've cleansed post-patch
ornate magnet
@ionic fern tyty
long bronze
Should I get a haste amp for filler or wait for vers amp?
placid oar
@ionic fern ah okay, thank you. Looks like a lot of my 475s cannot corrupt now.
warm plinth
Expedient is wayyyyy better than versatile
amber siren
are you pushing 24+ @long bronze ?
coarse ferry
is expedient really way better then versatile? I feel like per point of verse I get more bang
warm plinth
I mean, stat amps are only as good as the amount of the stat you have in the first place
And typically you're going to have WAAAYYY more haste than you have vers.
Like 12% vers is nothing if I have 300 vers
coarse ferry
31% haste and 20% verse currently
amber siren
haste amp is increasing your defensive and offensive capability, vers is for giving you flat DR % if you're being oneshot
ofc vers also gives damage too
but haste is much better in that regard
warm plinth
Vers amp would be used for like...if you're doing very high keys (like 24+) and you're running a vers build with surging vit corruption so you don't die
ionic fern
Haste also gives you more rage gen due to lowering the CD of your rage generators which feeds into AM which feeds into all the good stuff.
amber siren
ionic fern
Just stack Expedient for the 100% SB dream. 
long bronze
Lol no I'm not
coarse ferry
Currently working on pushing 20's so trying to balance it out. just weighing the option on buying expedient or waiting for vers
sweet summit
How much haste is that dream @ionic fern
warm plinth
Yeah if you're pushing 20s, you're a long way away from doing 24s, so I'd go for expedient
Stat amps are cheap enough that you can always get vers when it comes around if you really want it without much effort
solemn kelp
Hi guys, can a shield be corrupted?
ionic fern
Yes.
warm plinth
Yes
solemn kelp
That a yes then? lol
ionic fern
No.
amber siren
@long bronze then you don't need to be stacking vers, just TD and exp/gw/IT to fill the gaps
long bronze
Got it boss
solemn kelp
so 3xTD in weap and 2xTD on shield
wicked orchid
Should I use vita if I have a trinket 30 item levels above it?
floral flame
how much haste is too much haste
amber siren
never too much
ionic fern
What's the other trinket @wicked orchid ?
sweet summit
600% unbuffed
wicked orchid
Ah, ok, I thought so, I just wanted to make sure, I always love proccing it, but just wanted to make sure.
long bronze
167% apparently lol
wicked orchid
I have a 460 Void and a 470 Briny Barnacle vs the 430 vita
long bronze
Void is doodoo right?
ionic fern
Yes.
long bronze
Vita is just so much hard
Haste
Kekw autocorrect
Harder decision for me is shell vs dragonscale. Shell is incredibly clutch
ionic fern
I like Shell. 👀
I'm currently running Shell + Scale.
wicked orchid
If I were to get a 460 scale should I replace the vita with that? Or still vita all the way
wicked orchid
I'm more worried about damage at the moment, so I'll be sure to sim and see which one is better
Thanks for the help!
ionic fern
👍
hallow phoenix
Shell is pretty clutch for moments where block is down for a sec or two
I used it all last week for bursting as well
distant crystal
how do ppl handle psychus 2 as a protwarr
specifically getting aggro on the damned phages
teal prairie
Yeah... Mechagon wrists with stacking crit
wide cosmos
guys quick trinket check.. 470 Lingering Psychic Shell vs 475 Jes Howler vs 460 Humming Black Dragonscale? thanks in advance for the input
left hatch
depends on your key level
left hatch
probably Jes and Scale
teal prairie
Scale + howler probably
left hatch
Jes isn't a great trink but, unless you have a need for LSP and are using it on cd
itll do better
ig you could go LSP + scale if you pull spicy so it gets more value
wide cosmos
ok appreciate it guys
flint tiger
do we wanna get 1x TD and then stack expedient?
left hatch
lul its the opposite
you stack TD and fill in the last smidge with expedient or IT or sumthin
maiden ravine
this week we get under 40 with td5
ornate magnet
does TD stack? say i have tier 3 and tier 1, will the proc be 24% or each has it's own proc?
left hatch
the proc grows in strength
offhand the only thing ik of that has seperate procs is Lash of the Void
ornate magnet
tyty
reef hornet
How many ilvl is TD rank 1 realistically worth
ionic fern
On what piece?
left hatch
i woudln't drop it for shield or weapon, but every other slot yeh 40+
stone beacon
Morning all
just coming back from a long hibernation and saw that stat priority changed and wanted to know what stat are important now and thanks all !
left hatch
raid is Ilvl>Haste>Versa
M+ is Ilvl>Haste>Crit
which has been the priority since s2 to my knowledge
stone beacon
@left hatch thnks for the help !
lofty widget
is itf affected by the haste % corruption?
inland silo
theres no direct interaction between them
left hatch
not 100% sure because it gives you a flat % amount
inland silo
itf is a % increase
maiden ravine
the mastery one is insane with BoM
left hatch
damn very nice
maiden ravine
Nice
mild ore
you know what's funny
i was legit about to quit
and then the game gives me this
and corruption vendor
maiden ravine
So what do you guys think is more healing intensive, raids or m+? I said raids cause most damage in m+ is avoidable, while raids have damage regardless
maiden ravine
Maybe I've just been in raids with too few healers
left hatch
even if you're underhealing a fight tank damage is usually really bursty and otherwise pretty minimal
like Ilgy , only time you have tank damage is his eye beams
theres occasnially a fight thats constantly high pressure in terms of tank damage, but last one really like that was Fetid Devourerer
maiden ravine
Like my hps in raids is twice that of my average in m+
left hatch
- hps is meaningless
- better metric is your EHRPS
which is also divided by at least 2 in raids
maiden ravine
How about GCDs spent casting heals vs dps abilities
left hatch
the only tank that really applies to is P Pal
and even then word of glory is on a cd so
maiden ravine
I mean, I may have also only healed bad groups, but for me most of the struggle is keeping the group up in raids
left hatch
oh you're talking from a healer perspective
eh probably M+
still
cause theres more personally responsibility on every member not to fuck up
maiden ravine
I just find raids have more unavoidable damage while dungeons is almost all avoidable except a few pulls or affixes
left hatch
itll be worse in raid if you're hard carrying ppl that shouldn't be there though
M+ also scales infinitely though
so if you're comparing like 15s to Mythic raid
sure raid is harder
maiden ravine
In comparitive difficulty, so 15s compared to heroic nzoth and the first few mythic
left hatch
tossing out outliers like Bursting
and assuming your co-healers are as skilled/geared as you
id still say M+
mind you iv never healed, but all the healers i play with bitch about how easy raid healing is
maiden ravine
Maybe I am just more comfortable healing 5 mans.
daring bay
How much IT should you go?
maiden ravine
Like rarely do I have to stop dpsing in m+
left hatch
1
IT isn't what you should be going for, its a filler
TD is the thing to shoot for
and rn if you're not willing to go above 40 you have just enough for 5TD
so only use that 1IT if you're ok with TFB
maiden ravine
I know I don't consider this week of m+ a healer week, it's pure tank with a side of dps cc
maiden ravine
No, tyr necrotic raging
maiden ravine
It's a tank kite week not a heal week
left hatch
lul kiting
maiden ravine
I know this is a silly week where some tanks bring out the dodge punchcard
left hatch
i can't imagine doing silly shit like that
at least for like 18-20's
you can get more value from a Butchers Block
in terms of reducing stacks
and even then its pretty rare i get to like 30-40 stacks
on any individual pull
maiden ravine
I only do 15s personally. It may be silly, but I only push myself for gear or cosmetics
maiden ravine
Ah, I just know some people think if you don't constantly push to be the best why bother, haha
left hatch
you have so many tools to reset your stacks without sacrificing an entire trinket slot
ah nah, even ppl that struggle in 12's
i can respect
cause theres so many variables like play time, who you're playign with etc
still pagoda
and also low DPS pugs
left hatch
that you can't control
still pagoda
again... 5th affix
left hatch
but it doesn't make some strats ppl run anywhere near good
maiden ravine
I didn't do 10s before this patch only cause I hated them
left hatch
or provide value
still pagoda
like, i've struggled with 10-15 bracket
because i was both inexperienced with routes and gimmicks
and had really bad time with pugs doing nothing
maiden ravine
M+ ironically is easiest at 15 once you have the rio to only get good people
Hardest key level, 9
still pagoda
i can imagine
@left hatch
Well, i'll have to go through this hell again
maiden ravine
Screw doing dungeons without awakened
still pagoda
left hatch
you linked your bnet to R.io before you xferred right?
so you would retain your score
maiden ravine
What are you doing?
still pagoda
and rio is linked for 3 years by now