yeah
#protection
main vault
still pagoda
Especially on fhry
still pagoda
Fury*
left hatch
i had thepurple + the caster trink from Karazhan (:
so my moonfires threw out big ol orbs of death
main vault
ngl
left hatch
good times
main vault
I miss Upper Kara
still pagoda
Tank trink was neat IMO, but i was still running eye and angerboda most of the time
I miss Upper Kara [2]
left hatch
i prefered lower personally
still pagoda
All of them kept scaling from amount of people in the raid
still pagoda
Favorite Legion dungeon? VotW
maiden ravine
@still pagoda Each time you killed Argus you got something that increased the ilvl of it
still pagoda
Well
That applied to all Argus trinkets
Except for lego one, but it was a meme
Like
It was just an ilvl boost. And i usually remember scaling from the amount of trinkets in the raid
chrome palm
hey, so in motherlode.
What specs can handle the azerite extractors? The drilling things that dont give count.
left hatch
the scaling didnt increase from amount of people in raid, you needed at least 1 of each color to activate the raid buff
left hatch
and i think there was dumb diminishing returns after like 2 of each
so you didnt get more uptime or anything
still pagoda
the scaling didnt increase from amount of people in raid, you needed at least 1 of each color to activate the raid buff
@left hatch
More procs from people = faster big proc
still pagoda
I mean uptime
left hatch
yeh
why i had to use the tank one :/ so we had the best chance of proccing the tank side of the pantheon proc
was a feelsbad
main vault
but you had two tanks
still pagoda
It didn't feel that bad on warrior
The only problem I've seen in tank one is its raid proc
still pagoda
Next week is gonna be another push week with such rapid changes
Gotta get out of mid key bracket before it becomes like current lower keys
left hatch
i wouldn'tstress too much about rapid changes
itll take a minute to farm the echoes to get bis
main vault
Wait, Isnt Karton the one that said being armor capped effects scaling
left hatch
and also have to wait for them to fix the cleansing issue
main vault
main vault
I have the quote, but asnyways
wicked orchid
Should I take a rank three echoing void over a void ritual rank 2 and a socket?
left hatch
when it comes to stuff like that best to sim it
unless you're pushing well int othe 20's bracket corruptions impact on tankiness is negligible
wicked orchid
Ah ok, I'll go ahead and sim it right now, thanks!
trail rune
for m+, is 3x bastion, 1x Crash, 2x Heart better than 3x bastion, 3x crash? I'm looking at 15-20 range
marble cipher
Yes, don't stack crash
left hatch
its very good, but Clockwork Heart is better
marble cipher
Heart is a very good corruption
trail rune
yep
trinket wise, should i be running defensive or offensive, or is that per-case scenario?
left hatch
depends what you define as def oriented
like double haste trinkets id say is still def oriented
and you can do 22's with that
for a best general purpose balanced loadout some combo of Vita, Dragonscale, Rezan's and Butchers block is gonna do real well
in lower keys (like 18's) you can have some fun with Torment in a Jar
trail rune
so vita + scale?
left hatch
yeh
warm plinth
I want a Morrison in a Jar
trail rune
or vita+rezan
left hatch
me too
trail rune
i've got all of em
left hatch
save on airline costs
i pref vita+rezan
but its if you want uptime or a bigger proc
warm plinth
Assuming same ilevel, I think rezan edges out scale a bit iirc?
left hatch
if it does its a smol edge
warm plinth
But probably just pick based on consistency
Scale for more uptime, Rezan for less uptime but bigger proc
left hatch
the only truly "tank" trinket of note is Lingering Psychic Shell
but if you don't find you need the absorb to live (and need it on CD)
trail rune
should probably work on getting that
left hatch
no point to run it over haste
left hatch
soft kindle
@tame garden 👋
main vault
@soft kindle 👋
chrome palm
so on KR, with the bone warriors and the tornado casts
do i just move into their hitbox?
or do i step back?
the shadow bone warriors before the first boss
that cast the tornados that circle around
inland mesa
So what corruption are we buying, TD 5? XD. What's the parselord pot? And dps essences are CoF major, trying to keep up the new minor?
soft kindle
@main vault 👋
warm plinth
@chrome palm Really depends how dumb your DPS are. If they're stupid, move. If they're competent, you can stay in one place and just stand inside/between them
sick sentinel
I predict that we will stack pure IT when we get corruption vendor
maiden ravine
for raids?
left hatch
for 100% avatar uptime
maiden ravine
wouldn't td still be better for m+?
empty nacelle
i mean you're still limited by resistance right?
placid oar
Sorry slow on the latest update, but would u guys actually see them allowing corruption apply to crafted gear with the new vendor? Also would there be a optimised corruption to aim for now?
Good morning to everyone btw 😄
left hatch
the big change to optimizing corruption and weird combos is only really gonna apply to people pushing the highest possible keys
warm plinth
I doubt you can apply corruptions to crafted gear
placid oar
Wow, I Guess I should start crafting again too to get hay haste versa pants
Ahh i see
warm plinth
You can only apply it to items that are capable of being corrupted, which crafted items aren't
left hatch
99% of hte playerbase should still be aiming for as much TD as possible
warm plinth
That being said, I'm not Blizzard and they could definitely make it doable so
Take that with a grain of salt. But don't craft it until you know. Don't wanna waste money
left hatch
i think the big question is can you socket crafted gear
since i imagine its gonna function just like the socket item
placid oar
Thank you Morrison, I was thinking whether IT was something worth getting.
left hatch
for general purpose, nah
placid oar
Thank you Ghash!
warm plinth
I thought crafted gear was guaranteed socketed anyway
warm plinth
But Idk, I don't craft gear
left hatch
^
placid oar
Ah so TD is still the play
left hatch
yeh
placid oar
You are right on the socket Ghash, crafted guarantees a socket
Thanks a lot for the input all. Will save everything and see how it all pans out
Have a wonderful day!
main vault
So I feel we would see 30s cleared even before this
I’m curious how much higher this pushes that
Especially since they are farmable
You’ll get like 225? From a 15
left hatch
well correct me if im wrong, but isn't the biggest holdup for pushing higher keys
the dps race
not survivability issues
main vault
I’m psure it’s survival
slate pond
depends on the key
left hatch
ah gotchu, well nvm
warm plinth
Yeah it's 225 from a 15
slate pond
best example is junkyard, that debuff will get to the unhealable point. same with the tank combo
main vault
I’d just be interested if this adds a key or two, or if it’ll be like 5
left hatch
will go to yes, but is it now
slate pond
no
left hatch
ig shit like FH already has unavoidable sketchy shit from eudora
main vault
Zul, or Rezan dot
left hatch
zul you can kite the cast
warm plinth
Technically FH is mostly avoidable unless you're the tank
Azerite shot can be LoSed, as can Powder Shot
left hatch
hmm didnt know it could be LoS'd
the more you know
eyyy already have enough echoes to buy a TD3
warm plinth
Yeah if you watch the like...23 tyr FH keys, you'll see them pull over to the left side by the broken wood, and the melee will run behind the wood as azerite shot comes off CD
You can basically just side step if you tank at the right spot
But it counts as out of bounds for the tank I'm pretty sure, so you'd still have to eat it
left hatch
yeh but far less lethal for a tank
left hatch
im more thinking whats deadly to dps/healer
warm plinth
So melee can't easily LoS it unless she happens to be by the house
left hatch
since tank worst case can run AuG/versa/IT
warm plinth
But you can safeguard people on that fight anyway so that probably extends their longevity a bit
Er, intercept people I mean
Yeah
maiden ravine
Bleh, I've only been playing my warrior for a weekly 15 and a 5 mask run, nothing else
I don't know if I wanna bother this week
main vault
I’m just ready for being asked 97 times a day what corruption to buy
left hatch
BFA is over if you don't do either of those things imo
main vault
For sure it is
left hatch
so no you probably shouldn't bother lol
go have fun on a diff toon or diff game
wait for shadowlands
profit
main vault
That’s all I’ve been doing
Leveling up all the classes I haven’t before to see what I like
And leveling up as other specs
left hatch
doing alt keys on 4head specs like BM is also nice
i loved leveling ele, such a fun spec
main vault
Yeah I usually hop on my hunter for a few keys a week
left hatch
i wish it was 1/2 decent
main vault
Yeah for sure
I think balance could be sleeper m+ in SL
That’s what I’m leveling now, only really played Bear
main vault
Never leveled as Arcane
maiden ravine
I mean I got AotC and KSM
left hatch
feel like a fucking healer with how often i have to dtop to drink
main vault
Maybe I’ll do a gnome next
maiden ravine
literally the only thing left is getting the 100k memento mount for 8.3 for me
main vault
All I see is AE spam when one is leveling with me
left hatch
thats all you do lol
AB or AE
other spells do'nt exist till you gotta worry about mana
maiden ravine
Arcane is fun, I'm looking forward to their SL version
Getting their legiondary pants back as a baseline is amazing
sick sentinel
I have literally never heard that or im stupid and never read it that way until now
Own it and run my dude
main vault
I’ve heard tons of people call them legiondaries
main vault
You def should have
sick sentinel
Well I prob read it wrong I guess?
main vault
sick sentinel
Side bar I don’t know what it is with pugs this week but they crave waterbolts to my dome
left hatch
can't trust doom guy
main vault
That’s just this discord
left hatch
he has ptsd
main vault
Does now
warm plinth
@left hatch Arcane has basically two rotations. One is burst and one is a recovery. The recovery rotation is net positive on mana
Though in M+ I imagine your goal should be to end every pull oom since you can drink between
Or at least every decent sized one
left hatch
yah i understand the gist of the conservation vs burts phasing
just doesn't seem like it would feel very good in a gogogo setting
vs raid fights that have more tightly constrained start and endpoints
lusty grotto
Net went down @sand egret
Rip
Looking for a tank Monday night is aids
That is all
It's almost as bad as queueing for keys as alliance
2 hr wait for a tank that ends up being grade S quality shit
sick sentinel
Just tank
royal rune
what are you guys' CD rotation for 19 shadow of zul
sick sentinel
Depends on healer cds tbh
royal rune
assume none
demo shout + spell reflect?
LS + psychic shell?
SW
that should be right yeah?
amber siren
Probably don’t need to overlap so many things for a 19
rugged sentinel
What should my buddy use as a major and minors if he's kind of casual?
maiden ravine
I actually played battlegrounds rather than do a key on my warrior, oh well. Likely would have just been another belt
amber siren
@rugged sentinel#268491842637660160 minors can change per dungeon but for casual play, VoP major is good
dapper sundial
im pretty sure geti isnt on the drop table in kings rest smh
still pagoda
gotta get 120 before reset
dapper sundial
last minute spam tanking 14/15 KR with a dream
dapper sundial
it do be that way
sweet summit
Geti has the same droprate as any other item in KR
hearty portal
Is a corrupted Geti the way to go ?
mortal brook
so these runs were a waist of time?
hearty portal
quiet hornet
I’ve seen x2 Geti drop in a +15, rng gonna rng
quiet hornet
Pray to rngesus more, did you do your daily /pray?
eager fractal
can i block and parry while casting merektas fang?
eager fractal
ye thats what i usually do
oblique garnet
If you use merekthas in m+ as a tank youd ideally want to pair it with strength of the warden major
as in you would do a big pull > shockwave or w/e aoe stun your group has > merekthas and after that use the major so you get the full value off the damage increase on warden major into the highest damage portion of fanf
mortal brook
thought they mathed it and wardened fang doesnt win on the overall
brisk sparrow
Is there a list of bis azerite pieces from the vendor or something? I got my DC safe and assume I look for any bastion/x pieces but are there some that are just outstanding? (M+ wise)
strong forum
Abyssal / Sea brawler - helmet
Kraken / Tank buster - shoulders
Ashvane / mecha - chest
brisk sparrow
and the choices are just personal preference?
strong forum
Well abyssal is like 0.1% better than sea brawler
The mechagon azerite is like 0.1% better than kraken/ashvane
brisk sparrow
oh I see
strong forum
Atleast sim wise,
For m+ the mechagon stuff I think is better than the ashvane/Kraken because the trait Clockwork Heart because the trait isn't tied to rng but a timer, and it only procs in combat / on pull. So the downtime between pulls works in your favour of proccing it early on in the pull
Resulting in higher effective uptime
brisk sparrow
Since I buy one piece at a time, because I know my awful luck - I will gladly take the 0.1% 😄
thank you very much for the nice explanation 🙂
so technically it is even more than 0.1% considering downtime and consistency
strong forum
Could very well be
But can't really put a number on it
I personally would like to consider it the best in game
brisk sparrow
okay cool, thank you very much again 🙂
Mythic Raid pieces would be pretty awesome too, but that is unfortunately out of reach for me^^
strong forum
The only raid pieces that would be better imo are carapace and nzoth
And only mythic
brisk sparrow
so tomorrow the mecha plate it will be!^^ Thanks again 🙂
on another note...would I ever take a second DC? over Brace for Impact or Iron Fortress? I saw some prots run it just for the added AOE
strong forum
No, only over BS or CR
brisk sparrow
okay, thanks!
orchid frigate
thought i'd do a chill lunch key but it was full fiesta when people entered the last obelisk without waiting for me 😦
just came here to vent!
mortal brook
gotta get that one weak aura that announces you entering
that way you can can ESPECIALLY be dissapointed in them
orchid frigate
i have that one
we were discussing if we should change our route in UR just before going in and suddenly everyone was in and dead 
mortal brook
nice
orchid frigate
i didnt looked if anyone was entering since i thought they noticed the wa announcer and was waiting
😄
ivory barn
Do we have to trigger the echo's on a toon that can already aquire them to get them on other characters
main vault
Shouldn’t have to
Previously any character that had other role specs could get them
And anything other than your main
So the only change would be making them drop for pure classes
mortal brook
free week
brittle owl
it's always doable wdym
KR is one of the least affected by affixes dungeons
except grievous i guess
grievous is a pita in KR
mortal brook
last boss will refresh necro if ppl are bad at killing adds but
still pagoda
well, maybe it's just me hating KR after few runs as a tank in last weeks
gonna practice it more
robust pulsar
Hey, one question about threat. Last night I was doing freehold 20 with a couple friends, DH and Mage.
I lost threat to the DH in AoE pulls (he was going fell barrage and waiting for me to do some claps), and lost threat to Mage on AoE pack when he casted combustion on a target. How do you deal with this?
oblique garnet
What corruptions were you playing
robust pulsar
One example of what went wrong. On the obelisc before 2nd boss, the fear with 4 adds. DH usually gets threat from the adds, so I used avatar, clap, he still got one on him. I targeted him, and meanwhile mage god threat from the big guys
TD 3 and 1
Well, this is my RIO for anyone interested:https://raider.io/characters/eu/aggra-português/Retron
sweet summit
What is next week
jaunty shell
One question about corruption for High Keys: Is it better to go full TD as much as you can handle OR TD + Vers? Since the vendor is comming in the near future. Thx 🙂
jaunty shell
22/23+
sweet summit
Im going full TD in those keys
Using a r1 expedient too tho
Like, youre not a monk. You barely take damage even without vers
still pagoda
full TD is necessary for every tank spec nowadays
mortal brook
rage necro tyr @sweet summit
sweet summit
Cheers
half carbon
Is there any point in not using vop before like 22+ keys?
main vault
If for some reason you don’t have it
half carbon
Nice, thanks
still pagoda
the only reason there may be is fun
just if you want to try lucid and fail miserably at the same time
still pagoda
ehh... Lordaeron scenario is such a time sink
JUST DELETE IT ALREADY
had to redo this shit today since my monk is horde and i've only done ally one before
orchid frigate
but is fun, lets you rp
been playing around with my gear a bit but i'm feeling very uncertain
full monolith
the sheet doesnt list it ... but are Molten Slugs in Siege reflectable?
still pagoda
no
still pagoda
they're not spellcasts, but shots
full monolith
Oh i see. thats why they are interceptable then - coz shots
ivory barn
Do you think it will be more beneficial to farm like 10's faster or 15's slower for essences as tanks?
At x15 per key level
mortal brook
Not With the cesspit pool of players you find running tens
ivory barn
In a guild setting, we pipe 10's faster than we can do 15's
mortal brook
But 50% faster?
ivory barn
Naw like we 3
Chest 10's but only 2 chest 15's
distant crystal
well there's your answer
strong forum
Aka, no its not worth it
You literally need to be 50% faster in 10s than you do 15s to break even
final mist
If you do a 10 in 25 mins and do the same dungeon as a 15 in 30, the 15s are still more efficient
still pagoda
And pugs in 10's are even worse then in 14-15's
final mist
Just do 15s
strong forum
You setup a group for that
Even if its pugs, you get 1 group going
And Spam a couple keys
still pagoda
gonna finally start moving over tomorrow. Already 110 and want to ding 120 on this char closer to evening
sick sentinel
I thought your goal was before resetting 🤣
still pagoda
our reset is 9AM CEST tomorrow
sick sentinel
Carry on soldier
still pagoda
which is 10AM GMT+3 for me
sick sentinel
I only know yeehaw time over here apologies my guy
orchid frigate
welcome to zandalar!
swift kiln
should i stack vers amps or haste amps, reckon vers for higher keys?
still pagoda
TD
swift kiln
yea ill run TD3 but thinking about amps
or should i just go full out with TD
for 20s
thinking vers amps and td3 would be optimal for the survivability over haste amps
not sure tho
jaunty shell
Full TD (i was told before) since we don't rely on vers that much (compared to monk for example)
swift kiln
aight
rigid spire
I’m new to protection warriors and this forum, so I apologise if this question has been asked before. Has anyone here used ConRo for tanking and how effective is it?
still pagoda
Just get a FH boost
@main vault
I'm broke on gold here
again, new server and different faction at the same time
main vault
If I was EU still I’d boost you
warm plinth
Rotation helpers in general are incredibly not good. And that is even more true with prot warrior @rigid spire
main vault
Is that what ConRo is?
rigid spire
Awesome! Ty!
warm plinth
Yeah
main vault
Oh
warm plinth
I googled it. Had never heard of it before
main vault
I’ve only heard of Hekilli or whatever
warm plinth
Same
still pagoda
no need for boosts here IMO. It's Tuesday and i can just kinda spend some time to rush 110-120 and get both 120 char on Kazzak horde and BE heritage armor
rigid spire
I’ve been using intercept on my healer at every opportunity to boost my rage and keep my healer protected. I ask my healer to stay close as long as there isn’t aoe. Would you say this is a good strategy?
main vault
What level keys?
rigid spire
Haven’t gotten to keys yet. Still leveling.
main vault
Oh, no f that
still pagoda
fuck using intercept on healer
loud rain
kinda a waste of gcd
still pagoda
not worth it
rigid spire
Ahhh
modern brook
For leveling 100% not worrh
warm plinth
Intercept is off the GCD 🤔
modern brook
Some mechanics on higher keys like eudora shot it can be help ful
But not as much as like playin and positioning well
warm plinth
That being said, you should intercept whoever needs it, not just the healer and not necessarily on cooldown
modern brook
So like dont get too cute until the fundamentals are down imo
rigid spire
Got it
warm plinth
Yeah what Bull said. Get the fundamentals down, then you can get fancy.
rigid spire
Hahaha
😄
Do you guys agree with Wowhead prot warrior talent setup?
Sorry I’m a question machine
😂
main vault
Like for leveling?
warm plinth
It’s fine in general
rigid spire
Gonna be running keys with my buddies soon
warm plinth
Most folks don’t run bounding stride but it’s not a make or break row anyway
sick sentinel
Bounding stride is a feels good
still pagoda
bounding stride is just nice QoL
sick sentinel
rigid spire
Lol
Yeah you feel like a DH
But honestly we get enough mobility with intercept in my opinion
main vault
I see you have never played a VDH
rigid spire
I did, just now, but I’m very new to the game
sick sentinel
Yeah cause dh smells nexii
main vault
VDH is majorly underrated
rigid spire
Id rather be on the winning team thanks
warm plinth
It sure is Nexii
sick sentinel
VDH to prot warrior is not just a straight transition btw they play much differently
@rigid spire
main vault
Like I would not be surprised to see a VDH in the top few runs by the end
warm plinth
There’s no losing team really with tanks right now
main vault
They are stupid tanky
sick sentinel
With corruption purchasing vdh will rise up
flat jackal
Does vers reduce bursting damage?
sick sentinel
Reduces all the damages
warm plinth
Blood DK is the closest to a losing team as you’re going to get, and even they’re still fine to a point
sick sentinel
Bdk is fine until they get one shot and can’t death strike to 100%
warm plinth
Yep
flat jackal
@sick sentinel but does it reduce bursting specifically? There were conflicting answers when I searched online
sick sentinel
As far as I know yes? Ghash you know this
flat jackal
Interesting
warm plinth
Yes I don’t think there’s anything vers doesn’t reduce damage-wise.
sick sentinel
My understanding is that it reduces all incoming damage
rigid spire
Haste is the top priority stat correct?
warm plinth
Ilevel
analog swift
but it doesn't really matter
warm plinth
Then haste
sick sentinel
Ilvl>haste>crit for m+
analog swift
for new players, equip highest ilvl, sim/enchant for haste
sick sentinel
Ilvl haste vers for raid
analog swift
er gem not sim
rigid spire
Got it
main vault
More than just new players
sick sentinel
Crit = vers in most situations
analog swift
i mean if you're getting REALLY spice with it, you can hit that 12 sec SB CD and start gemming crit
but that's about it
main vault
warm plinth
main vault
Hard pass on that one
analog swift
also true
sick sentinel
Yes I am Dwayne the proc Johnson. haste is all I know
analog swift
td procs are based off haste
but I'd assume haste/critting tds is about the same damage
rigid spire
Why do stats not matter much for protection warriors?
analog swift
danger links stat weights despite them being irrelevent for year
rigid spire
Good balancing?
analog swift
stats don't matter much for most tanking classes
the rational is, higher ilvl = more stats
main vault
stats don't matter much for most ~~tanking ~~classes
still pagoda
^
analog swift
and more stam and armor (which isn't important for dps)
rigid spire
Interesting!!!
mortal brook
Just dont do mastery cuz it doesnt amp td. Ez
analog swift
yeah that's pretty much true outside of hunters and all that
mortal brook
Bom covers all mastery needs
analog swift
but dps will often take lower ilvl gear if it has better stats and sims better and even if that's true for prot warrior higher ilvl tends to be better
rigid spire
So much time wasted researching stats lmao
analog swift
yeah
rigid spire
Well now I know
analog swift
it's honestly something people sink WAY too much time into
especially with simming
it's pretty much a complete waste
analog swift
if your curious these are my monks logs
outside of corruption i blindly equip highest ilvl
rigid spire
Nice!!
analog swift
to furthest emphasize how little secondary stats matter look at my lack of gem slots
fervent lagoon
New to prot warrior and just completed my first m+4. Is there something anything that I can do for bursting besides just die in a safe place? Lol
analog swift
dont mongo
brittle owl
bursting is a dps mechanic
analog swift
^^
brittle owl
the only input you have is gauging the pepega level of your group
and pulling accordingly
no meme, CoF major is nice in lower keys, since people suck at aoe-ing evenly
fervent lagoon
That’s what I figured. I tried to stop attacking myself and soak dmg. But bursting still kills me. Lol
analog swift
yeah one of the biggest things that people don't really get
brittle owl
bursting can kill anyone/anything
analog swift
it's better to hit 5 stacks at once
rigid spire
I’d pull the first few mobs slowly in pug and then accelerate... cause in Pugs people often don’t know how to play even with higher ilvls
brittle owl
just for reference
analog swift
then to go 3 tick tick tick 4 tick tick tick
analog swift
🙂
brittle owl
than a full 9 stack at once
analog swift
i believe sheild wall which is underutilized in M+ helps bursting as well
fervent lagoon
Ok, it was a pug so I expect it won’t be the last time. I did try staggering pulls but the mage and dk kept pulling adds.
brittle owl
using shieldwall after a pack has died
fervent lagoon
So we never cleared all stacks
analog swift
i mean
the question was
in low keys
where shield wall is totally unneccessary honestly
brittle owl
if the dps keep pulling shit
analog swift
and rarely utilized
analog swift
or let them die
brittle owl
or that
rigid spire
Yes let them die
brittle owl
you pull it you tank it - is a good mantra
modern brook
@rigid spire I'm late but the icy veins guide has a really good deep dive on why our stat priority is irrelevant unless looking at similar ilvl peices
rigid spire
Awesome!
modern brook
Highly recommend reading thay
fervent lagoon
I didn’t complain. Just trying to educate people. +4 is when the first affix applies so not everyone knows how to deal.
modern brook
It's either in the gear section or the stat prio section idr which
rigid spire
I read it confirms what you guys say but it doesn’t go into the math of it
But it’s ok
I believe you guys 😃
And it
I’d rather not waste my time
Lots of other stuff to learn
analog swift
goob
rigid spire
@fervent lagoon honestly letting them die is the least drama way to handle a PUG
Everyone gets the message
fervent lagoon
Unfortunately we didn’t make time because of it but hopefully they learned
rigid spire
Very nonstressful for you as result
silent cargo
So I've been going strictly by ilvl, but only have 4% vers at 453. Is that normal/fine?
rigid spire
It’s ok, as long as it not your key
warm plinth
Yeah there are no stat requirements
rigid spire
Awesome
Great question btw
Is there an addon that will tell me if a hunter has growl on and other things similar to that?
Drives me crazy
modern brook
If ur losing aggro to similarly stated players its cause they have growl on :^)
Also like that's the omega troll
mortal brook
should auto turn off in all dungeon/raids
modern brook
Pet taunts are auto off in instanced content
mortal brook
in world, the heck cares
ivory barn
Make a weak aura? But it should automatically turn off the moment you enter a key.... That's what happens on my lock
still pagoda
Make a weak aura? But it should automatically turn off the moment you enter a key.... That's what happens on my lock
@ivory barn
Turn off not in dungeons option in that particular aura
Load menu btw
ivory barn
Gotta make it a group trigger targeting pets. I know how to make one I'm just not home right now
How did you get WA's to skin like that
surreal elm
Which trinks for 15-20 alt garbo keys?
mortal brook
be close enough to just sim
rigid spire
They are auto-turned off? So that means when someone has growl on in an instance they manually turned it on?
Lmao
civic swan
somtimes it bugs
modern brook
Found the hunter @civic swan 👮♂️ 👮♂️ 👮♂️
civic swan
=)
Yeah bugs like that make the class annoying to play. I am trying my hand at tanking. I suck but atleast its fun.
still pagoda
lucid dew
anyone else having trouble getting in
distant crystal
yes
sick sentinel
this is the tuesday morning special
lucid dew
the tuesday morning lottery
elder bay
I just want my loot
sick sentinel
stacking crit for you sir
distant crystal
i just want to see if mother is selling corruption yet
sick sentinel
you have angered the gods
elder bay
Oh yes that too!!!
lucid dew
worthless boots
sick sentinel
EV?
lucid dew
avoidance
sick sentinel
i have gotten lots of EV lately
amber siren
pretty good for st, low cost with decent damage
sick sentinel
Where is MY GW
vocal skiff
What about m+
chilly brook
If you have the extra to slot it again not bad
vocal skiff
I understand, TD is better
amber siren
TD will usually beat it in terms of damage but GW can fit into tighter corruption budgets where TD is a big bloater
chilly brook
It will proc on things that you're not targeting as well
I'm not sure what it breaks down to in terms of %
I'd have to log into my DK to tell you and I cant because I'm at work
vocal skiff
Might be good for a tyrannical week I suppose?
chilly brook
Cant hurt
Its literally free damage period if you have some corruption resist to work with
civic swan
I got deadly momentum rank 3 this week
chilly brook
Crit is crit
still pagoda
Sry for off-topic, but...
crimson hatch
can you tell em what is the best essence on major for prot war in horrific vision solo?
indigo laurel
Hello, just started tanking on my warrior, got 470 equipped gear with 3x Bastion, 1x HoD, 1x DC, and playing with Vision as major along with CnS, lucid and SoTW as minor, 20% haste and 14% vers, but i feel sooo bad, take insane amount of damage, i have ignore pain up about 45-50% of the time, should it be higher? i have a hard time keeping it up more in m+ because of lack from rage, anyone that could help me out??
alpine shard
For Stormwind I run CoF because Alleria.. for Orgrimmar I normally run VoP for masspulling entire zones.
amber siren
95% of damage intake problems are because youre not using block effectively
stat % means nothing
crimson hatch
@alpine shard thanks
chilly brook
@indigo laurel you're doin something wrong
Stop thinking about uptime on IP
IP is a rage dump
warm plinth
#1 problem (and 99% chance it's yours) for new prot warriors is prioritizing Ignore Pain over anything
chilly brook
SB>IP
indigo laurel
how do you mean using block ineffectivly? how can i use it effectlivly?
warm plinth
Shield Block is your primary mitigation and should be up at all times
indigo laurel
ah alright
warm plinth
You can rotate SB x3, Last Stand, SB x3 if needed for prolonged periods. Don't use Shield Block while Last Stand is up (assuming you're talented properly)
indigo laurel
yy, i block everything when last stand is up (talented)
but right before jumping into a new fight i should have just popped SB?
chilly brook
And if you're experiencing a lack of rage you're overspending somewhere tbh
warm plinth
You should be doing intercet>Avatar (when available)>Shield Block on literally every pull
Intercept*
indigo laurel
never
warm plinth
Not having shield block up when you pull is going to get you flattened like a pancake
chilly brook
This
warm plinth
Even high magic dungeons are primarily blockable damage
indigo laurel
ah okey, so its like brew for monks? (main monk tank)
warm plinth
Not quite like brew because we can't actually have 100% uptime
chilly brook
Yes but no
warm plinth
You want to make sure you have it up whenever you're being hit though
indigo laurel
very important to keep up at most times, but difference is that monks can have 100% uptime?
warm plinth
Right
chilly brook
You want as high of an EFFECTIVE uptime on block as possible
indigo laurel
ah okey, so when mobs are stunned etc it really doesnt matter
warm plinth
Right
If they're stunned or casting (and nothing else is hitting you), then you don't need it
chilly brook
Yes but you want to have it up as soon as they come out of the stun
pale talon
Boys i have a question, if somebody could help me i would be great, i have changed my name and race on my warr yesterday, and i did 2 keys better than what i had, but today when i updated my rio i didnt apear those 2 dungs (which i did with the new name and race) those runs will not count on my rio ?
indigo laurel
alright! and corruptionwise i should just go TD up to 39 ?
amber siren
indigo laurel
even 59? wont the ring+TFB kill me?
chilly brook
No
warm plinth
Not if you play around it.
indigo laurel
i mean, i know how to easily deal with it as monk, but how do you usually handle it as warrior?
chilly brook
You can SR TFB as well as stun or fear it
alpine shard
Move out of Ring. Spell Reflect, Stormbolt, Fear or Kite the TFB
indigo laurel
ah okey, didnt know it could be feared or SR
chilly brook
Yes
alpine shard
Start at 39
chilly brook
Until you have the basics
warm plinth
Yes, start at 39 if you're already having survival issues
chilly brook
Then move on
alpine shard
when you got the defensive play down, go up to 59
desert mason
any good weak auras for when TFB appears?
warm plinth
Also, log your next dungeon/raid
pale talon
@amber siren thanks i will check it!
warm plinth
So we can see your logs
Any of the ones that put an image over the TFB are good @desert mason
warm plinth
Don't use the audio cue ones because most of them play the sound significantly after it actually appears
indigo laurel
never done that before, no clue on how to do it tbh
pale talon
Boys it worked! thank u ! i was getting worried for a moment i knew i could count on u guys!
alpine shard
Ask a guildie to go with you, one that knows how to log 🙂
desert mason
Any of the ones that put an image over the TFB are good @desert mason
@warm plinth ty
indigo laurel
but alright, gonna try and keep SB prio instead of IP, and just have IP as ragefiller
chilly brook
@indigo laurel just download the client from WCL and type /combatlog in next time you're playing before starting the dungeon or raid. The client will literally tell you step by step what to do
indigo laurel
alright! thanks a lot guys ❤️
warm plinth
Just understand that in some dungeons, a lot of the weight falls on your DPS. Like if you're not getting water blasts in Shrine or Salt Blasts in TD kicked (assuming you can't because it's on CD), you're going to die anyway
Our best magic mitigation is preventing it
indigo laurel
yy, i mean, im not new to tank, 3150 on my monk, 2200 on my dk, just feel like i wanted to get into a new tank
daring sable
Do Mobs in Horrific Vision deal more damage with a tank in group?
amber siren
more damage but less health
indigo laurel
but lining magic dmg aswell as controlling packs to deal with it is np, its just that i felt like i was paper and heard warrior tanks were as good as monks in term of defensive
daring sable
any numbers around @amber siren ?
amber siren
it'll come up with a google search
daring sable
sadly it doesnt
at least i didnt find any info aside from that health scaling is different
main vault
Probably around 30%
amber siren
main vault
Is my feely
amber siren
found it in 10 secnds
warm plinth
The damage is definitely a thing, but they didn't announce that anywhere
lunar jackal
is sporepods good?
warm plinth
lunar jackal
(ikr)
pliant bane
Is there a written guide for prot in terms of azerites/stat prio etc?
i've checked pinned and didn't see anything
warm plinth
Yeah, check #268491842637660160
pliant bane
awesome, thanks
spiral mason
how dog shit is glimpse of clarity?
chilly brook
@indigo laurel I would say it's pretty much prot warrior is bar none in terms of mitigation and defensiveness, the burden is just all on you the player as opposed to monk where its 1/3 you and 2/3 your healer
maiden ravine
So what corruptions is mother selling
solid sparrow
Hi fellow warriors! Knowing the BiS azerite traits or at least the ones that I need the most is there a BiS list for the head shoulder and chest? Tomorrow will have the the remaining for the 60k residues and would like what to buy 😉
Searched but can’t find it on forums and research sites
indigo laurel
But alright, just gotta do a couple more keys then and get rotation in and how to play it properly hehe, thanks once again
warm plinth
Only the cloak and currency changes have been implemented. They're not done with the corruption part
main vault
I’d expect a weekend hotfix, or next reset
If I had to guess, next reset
Just so it doesn’t throw off the timing
chilly brook
@solid sparrow #268491842637660160 icyveins guide you're welcome
placid oar
GL with your caches all! Hope u get smth good
strong forum
Getting good loot from caches is a myth
median vine
Major - Vision Rank 3 | Minors - Aegis Rank 3, Lucid Rank 3, CnS Rank 1 -- Should I replace any of these with Sphere Rank 3 Or Crucible Rank 3 ?
strong forum
Replace cns R1 with sphere
At R1 and r2, cns isn't very good. It gets a huge powerbump from r2 to r3
median vine
Yes hopefully I heard prot got fucked in SL alpha tho
strong forum
Wait and see
worthy spire
Is any tank trinket from dungeons even worth getting?
strong forum
Nop
median vine
What about rezan's?
strong forum
Rezans isn't classified as a tank trinket
sweet summit
tank trinkets that are not nzoth trinket is kinda poopy
strong forum
The only tank trinket that isn't shit is Nzoth trinket
median vine
Wait I cant be prot spec to get chance on rezan I gotta loot spec arms or fury?
strong forum
Yes you can
sweet summit
+ 👁️ =
median vine
Oh sorry got confused there
strong forum
Rezan isn't specifically classified as tank only trinket like mchimba bandages, sporepods or mechanised plating
Those are tank trinkets
Rezans and gore butcher block are strength trinkets
worthy spire
how about + 🐉 =
sweet summit
snake?
strong forum
Fang
worthy spire
its a dragon
strong forum
Ah scale
worthy spire
yes yes
worthy spire
Im just
pepega
I have 475 scale so should be fine
Is fang even worth using btw? Ive seen some tanks use it but i think its kinda doggo isnt it?
sweet summit
its good damage
sweet summit
bear>prot 
mortal brook
let's be fair, that fire mage is straight bis
blazing gale
is there a site lie tanknotes.tr for m+ that I can read every tip and trick for tank on those keys?
tame garden
I cant wait for my firemage to finally have masterfuls
Jealous watching these tanks pull giga packs that instantly melt
blazing gale
first left side double pack on AD today with Dh with merketha fang + wlock infenral +mage combu and bl just died in like 3 seconds 😄
placid oar
@strong forum haha you are right, I got the armor trinket from mechagon. Scrapping it immediately, gonna wait again for a shield 🙃 Hope u guys get a better loot!
sick sentinel
Hey guys ! Best race for M+ ? (Even 20+) : Belf, HM or Vulpera ?
I have no clue but saw one method Tank some minutes ago. Doin 26+ and is a Belf
maiden ravine
All tanks have advantages
Vulpera are surprisingly tanky on fights that are shorter
The purge of belf is always useful
Pandaren double food buffs
High mountain have extra vers
maiden ravine
They do have stun resistance
wild nova
Draenei have a fun HP combo you can pull off
wintry ermine
why no goblin? haste+ fun jump
toxic gyro
Bc Orcs look cool
placid oar
I’m a night elf, nth much here except the occasional skips I can do with the pugs
strong forum
for horde vulpera and belf are bis
stark sage
meld is arguably the best racial in m+ because of the skip potential
sturdy seal
Lingering Sporepods any good? at 470
stark sage
sturdy seal
l m a o
wintry ermine
since we can buy corruption this week, anyone planning on stacking stat%? or just going for max TD?
wintry ermine
I really want to see how everything feels with max haste or vers :>
worthy spire
How about vers amplifier? Is that worth buying
still pagoda
half the way from 110 to 120 on horde is done. I'm nearing the move
worthy spire
Alright
Well i have a rank 2 TD right now so gonna get rank 5 and jump into expedients i guess
sweet summit
it can be good if you have loads of vers on your gear and doing super super high keys
low badge
Hello, just wondering what trinkets do you guys use?
low badge
I'm using atm Rezan's Gleaming eye and Vita-charged TItanshard (keystone)
sweet summit
vita+rezan
wintry ermine
humming (475) + vita (460), torment (475) in m+
low badge
what is best humming or rezan? :S
warm plinth
Eye and Dragonscale are pretty similar anyway so
low badge
cool
low badge
my rezan is 470 and humming 460. my vita is 460. what should I rock you think? 😄
low badge
okej thanks alot for the help. it has been bothering me haha
low badge
😃
tame garden
😳
placid oar
Hi guys, can I kindly have some advice/guidance for tanking this week? I’m new as a tank to this week’s affixes. Do I start kiting when my health is at around 70% and with 24 stacks of necrotic?
sweet summit
no, why? you're in great shape at 70% HP
you might wanna start looking into kiting, as mobs start raging
because thats when you maybe take damage
placid oar
Ah I see
I thought I would have to start kiting at a certain stack count or health, to be safe
sweet summit
depends on a lot of thing
healer mana/externals available
your SB charges/LS/SW
mobs enraging?
etc etc
placid oar
I see
warm plinth
You kite based on how safe you feel
low badge
remember to use shout thiih
warm plinth
If you have 50 stacks but you're at 95% HP and aren't really taking damage, then why kite?
placid oar
Okay, will explore more. I had the notion I need to kite so I can receive healing
warm plinth
Unless mobs are about to rage or something, I'd face tank still
placid oar
Make sense
sweet summit
you dont take damage, normally. so you dont need heals
esp on tyrann, trash barely do anything
untill they rage
warm plinth
If I'm at 70% HP and mobs are starting to rage and I have 30+ stacks, I'd probably kite. Just some examples
sweet summit
and not all mobs are dangerous when they are enraged
warm plinth
Right, depending on what I'm tanking
sweet summit
again, just experience 😄
placid oar
Really appreciate it
Okay, will keep tanking more dungeons
Gonna save gold to try and purchase a ilvl 475 shield too
Hopefully the prices drop more =p
mental scarab
I dont even have 475 shields on my AH😑
placid oar
Ah, I’m on a high pop server (Frostmourne) that’s why. But it’s really expensive, cheapest is about 800k
wintry ermine
wait atleast until the corruption system changes, the shields will drop a lot then
jade raptor
Sup guys, your thoughts on MPP trink vs Jes. Most M+ are physical dmg right?
sweet summit
scap plating
tame garden
Mpp is the worst trinket in the game