But even then, id use sphere
#protection
strong forum
Runecarver in Sots @autumn pendant
sick sentinel
I honestly dont really need the cr from strength, does that mean I should replace it?
sweet summit
Yeh
sick sentinel
Fug
sweet summit
Sphere/aegis
autumn pendant
@strong forum thank you fury hater
strong forum
arms/prot 
autumn pendant
¯_(ツ)_/¯
swift kiln
is it worth using lingering spore pods over vita in m+, is the healing amount worth the haste loss?
marble cipher
swift kiln
TRUEEEEEEEEE
frail oar
could be litteralcabbage tho
smoky wave
I take a socketed big red button over equal ilvl no socket 
right?
strong forum
Vita is one of the best trinkets, sporepods one of the worst
Big red button is pretty cringe, idk. Can't tell you if it's better or equally bad as sporepods
brittle owl
if it wasn't for
armored plating or whatever
it would be the literal worst trinket
strong forum
Honestly starting to think sigil is worse than sporepods for m+
still pagoda
maut trinket makes it easy to weed out the weak by seeing it as their equipped trinket
strong forum
Yup
orchid frigate
whats the highest key youve done without resetting stacks on goliath?
strong forum
17/18 I think
tulip jackal
Hey tanks - can I get some advice on tanking mythic + tol dagor, always have an issue with the Ooze awakened boss, either i'm dying or my team mates are dying before they kill tenticles
grand drum
19 on fort
strong forum
On 20+ I cba
You run with that one all the way to the big looters pack
And have dps blow up the tentacles
tulip jackal
dps blow up tenticles where they stand, or have the tenticles spawn at us over the other side
grand drum
What we do is run all the way acrosss the room and wait for them to tp and kill tendies
strong forum
^
tulip jackal
ahh ok I'll try that thanks
warm plinth
Don’t even need to go across the room really. Have your group go in the old portal and just stand on the bridge going across the middle. You go in, SR first cast and then they should teleport to the rest of the group on the bridge as long as you’re out of range at that point.
orchid frigate
nice one
placid oar
Hi guys, sorry but tanking question again. Should I be spamming more ignore pain to smooth dmg? Is there a target I should be aiming for?
stark sage
target for what
amber siren
its your rage dump if youre taking damage, that's pretty much as far as the interaction goes
if youre not taking damage just dump it through revenge instead
placid oar
Ah I see
I thought I should be aiming for healing done to about 60% of what my healer is doing
Target of % of using my ignore pain
main vault
Hps doesn’t matter
amber siren
warrior dps is purely a side effect, it's not something you should be concerned about
hps even
loud rain
having an ignore pain WA is useful.
when your tanking fill the WA up when its close to 0
main vault
You shouldn’t wait til you are close to 0
placid oar
Okay got it
amber siren
that was more of an issue in legion where IP capped 3 times, with it being 1.3 now, a single melee hit can chunk it down easily
loud rain
we can only go to 130% correct?
main vault
Sure
But even if you are at 100, that is lost mitigation
Since ignore pain works up to that cap
loud rain
so you would rather over cap 70% over waiting an extra second or 2?
amber siren
yeah pretty much
main vault
If I’m capped on rage, yes, every time
amber siren
there's very little gain in min maxing IP
loud rain
ok i can see if capped or in lucid windo
main vault
Even before
If your 130 pool would be 130dmg, and 70 is 70, that’s still potentially 60dmg you can’t mitigate
So in that situation, instead of mitigating 130 with IP, you can only mitigate 70
It’s not really a waste since any use will add mitigation
Unless you are already capped
loud rain
but if your not capped then your at 100/130 and you cast IP you get 130/130. If you wait after a hit then you cast you get 100/130 again
main vault
Which in that case you probably not taking damage
loud rain
so i 100% if your rage capped to dump
but i cant see the reasoning to IP cap if not rage caped
main vault
If you are waiting for a hit, you are generating rage with something else
loud rain
yup
main vault
So there is no point in not using the rage you already have
And if you are not using the rage
That is just longer you have between CDs coming up
Since you aren’t dumping it
Which is much more detrimental
sweet summit
IP is just do tump rage, and smooth damage intake. SB is our am
amber siren
this is a huge overthink of IP
placid oar
Thanks a lot guys
main vault
That tiniest bit you may gain from not overcapping IP will be massively overshadowed by having lower CD on Demo, Ava, LS and etc
placid oar
Will keep practicing, cos I’m trying to be tankier
Even contemplated using urchin and lingering
main vault
amber siren
🗞️
main vault
sweet summit
imagine not having a 26KR timed yet
amber siren
expac has been out for 2 years, what's another 6 months?
eventually we will have enough corruption resistance to outgear the meme that is zul scaling
sweet summit
strong forum
or play vdh
na but the timer is incredibly close, you have to play 2 pillars with last boss and even then its giga tight
its not just zul
chilly brook
@loud rain you can try to min max your IP casts and tbh you should probably do so if you really want to squeeze every single drop of efficiency out of the spec but that being said it's entirely wasteful if I'm at say 80 rage and have a close to full IP up and I'm about to shield slam and I don't just cast IP
sweet summit
you cant skip zul anymore
chilly brook
@placid oar If your main focus is HPS you will be encouraged to play the spec in a manner that encourages bad habits and makes you less tanky
loud rain
i know ros
chilly brook
I.e. waiting until you've taken damage to use LS because you get a huge spike in HPS or prioritizing IP over shield block etc.
The problem with focusing on self sustain as a warrior is that your "healing abilities" are far less effective at mitigation that shield block, 5 seconds of SB on a 30 rage cast will mitigate substantially more damage than 1 cast of IP at 40 rage. Just cast SB when taking damage and IP with any extra rage you have. Always use shield block over IP when the mobs are swinging or shooting at you
grand drum
what level of mlode should i go never surrender over bolster for rixxa?
sweet summit
i honestly dont see the value in doing that
sick sentinel
No level of mother lode
grand drum
ok. was asking cause i saw someone talk about it here once
silver moat
Havent seen any advice for this, but maybe I haven't gone back far enough. I'm a newer player, any advice for soloing visions in prot? I could swap to fury but I'm trying to stay in prot ideally
silver moat
What do you mean by gift?
sick sentinel
Gift of the titan
It’s a proc that gives you haste and makes you immune to sanity loss
Part of the research tree
Pull elites with gift procs and like rosjen said pull big
silver moat
Ah, alright, thanks!
sick sentinel
Alleria can be kind of annoying but that’s about it tbh
silver moat
Alright. Fairly standard talent set up? Or does anything interesting stand out there?
sweet summit
same as always
toxic gyro
Also use fang trinket from tos for visions, it blasts, especially during titan proc
sweet summit
you can swap essences/gear during a vision btw
silver moat
What trinket? Sorry, im learning a lot lol
sweet summit
merekthas fang or something like that
toxic gyro
Merekthas fang from temple
sweet summit
from temple of sethraliss
silver moat
Thanks'!
autumn pendant
@strong forum @sweet summit was about to ping you two about that KR
then i decided not to
but then I said
I wont go back on my word
proven breach
Mage quarter was fun with led foot but not unbearanle
tame garden
🐻 ⚔️
sick sentinel
Heck off bear
sweet summit
those guys are just insane players tbh
autumn pendant
For me at this point visions are just pain
sweet summit
big respect
autumn pendant
But not because they are hard
placid oar
@chilly brook sorry I was practicing tanking earlier... okay got it, I don’t want to pick up bad habits too. Will focus more on my rotations and keeping SB up more. Was just told that I did not use ip enough cos it was only up about 90 times in the entire TOS 18 I was doing.
sweet summit
as long as you're not capping rage and spending it on IP instead of revenge, youre pretty much doing it right
placid oar
@sweet summit @main vault okay, won’t use those 2 trinkets for sure. Will stick to my Eye of rezan and Vita till I manage to get the wrathion trinity from a pug mythic run
sweet summit
👁️
placid oar
Okay, will do that Rosjen.
sweet summit
placid oar
I panicked cos my ret and DH dps would pull treat after I thunderclap and demo shout
So I tried to spam more revenges instead
sweet summit
thats just them being spergs, let them die
placid oar
Ah but I should be able to hold aggro even if wings is popped no?
sweet summit
they should pop CDs 2-3 seconds later
placid oar
Somehow after 1 thunderclap and 1 demo, some mobs will just show a yellow border and I will have to thunder + revenge spam and taunt as often as I can
Ah I see
Thank you Rosjen... I have been logging my runs and using wowanalyser to see where I go wrong too
ionic fern
Don't use m+ logs for WoWAnalyzer.
You won't get much out of it.
placid oar
Then how do I improve my tankiness Mwahi?
Ah Gosh
I have been logging every time I play and actually took wowanalyser seriously lol
ionic fern
You know what's great about logs?
You can actually dive into them yourself via warcraftlogs.com
WoWAnalyzer is a great tool but it's not built for m+.
placid oar
Okay got it, I will have to learn how to read them better
ionic fern
But you can still analyze the logs via Warcraftlogs.
WoWAnalyzer is mostly for Raid encounters.
placid oar
Ah I see
ionic fern
I'll gladly help you with your logs if you provide me some specific questions.
placid oar
A moment sir, I believe the main issue I am facing now is whether I am doing my defensive rotations correctly or am I doing it wrong that caused me to die
Pls allow me to extract my logs
amber siren
placid oar
I am not sure if I am using my ignore pains correctly or enough. Like sometimes I feel like I am not as tanky as I believe I should be with my gear 😞
Sorry if I was unable to pin point. I’m just really lost
ionic fern
First death. LoS the Volatile Waste.
strong forum
You're casting more devastates than shield slams.
placid oar
This is the other one
strong forum
Devastate is your 2nd most casted ability, when it should be your lowest
placid oar
Ah okay, I thought I should position those adds there
Ah okay, my bad... will take note and cast more shield slams
ionic fern
Second death.
You got smacked by 2 unmitigated Melees.
loud rain
you also only cast last stand 5 times
strong forum
Well in Workshop you don't need many last stands
Packs are small and short
Alot of downtime on bosses
amber siren
there are a few pipes in the trash area you can use to LoS the waste explosions which makes them pretty easy to handle
loud rain
then would you not take bolster as a talent?
strong forum
You still do for when you need it obv. But you still don't need many last stands
loud rain
ah
placid oar
@ionic fern will do better on keeping shield block up at all times otherwise put up LS
placid oar
Do I actually pre-cast LS when I decide to do a sizeable pull?
amber siren
workshop has a lot of downtime between trash packs but it doesn't make the block from LS less important
no
sweet summit
nah, you still have SB charges
placid oar
Ah
strong forum
You use LS as filler, not as opener
sick sentinel
The important part about LS is the block not the hp btw
placid oar
I actually LS when I pull both packs by the 1st obelisk in SOB alliance side
Ah I see
Gosh, I am making such noobish mistakes
amber siren
youre using LS to weave gaps between blocks, using it at the start just means you have two SB charges just doing nothing for 14 seconds
its fine dude, this happens to everyone at the start
sweet summit
placid oar
As for shield wall, do I actually pre-cast it during a big pull or just leaping in with avatar and demo with sb is sufficient?
chrome palm
my only twilight dev piece is a 430. Raidbots is saying its a 7.8% damage upgrade. Should i really be using that?
placid oar
Ah okay
sweet summit
as long as its not on a shield
lunar pumice
Hey, im kinda hesitating between blood dk and prot war. War seems to be great right now but I dont know what it will look like in SL
chrome palm
ok
amber siren
td doesnt scale off ilvl at all, which is why it doesnt matter what piece it comes from
except shield but thats not related to TD being bad for that piece
placid oar
Oh why not TD on shields? Is it only cos we want the highest ilvl for that piece and if it comes with a TD then it’s good if it’s a high ilvl shield?
wicked jay
a
sweet summit
b
stiff oracle
c
sweet summit
still pagoda
stiff oracle
too low haste sorry
strong forum
There should an additional segment called "(dungeon name) (keylevel) (overall)"
chrome palm
isnt there like an options popup thing
strong forum
Or put your details to "overall" instead of single segment
It does it automatically usually
sweet summit
mine looks like this, is that ok?
stiff oracle
😄
strong forum
needs to be 40%+
sweet summit
damn :/
stiff oracle
need more vers
sweet summit
no
stiff oracle
man why are emotes disabled here 😦
stiff oracle
how many TD you got
strong forum
thats about right then
chrome palm
it's trash
stiff oracle
sounds about right
strong forum
my TD 5 does 35%
stiff oracle
I like it 🤷♂️
chrome palm
lmao
stiff oracle
it's fun, its just not fun to get
strong forum
youre still doing 60k dps without it
other tanks struggle to get to 60k WITH it
ofc its dumb, but its dumb fun
when you pull a big pack and you scream combust as warri cuz youre doing 500k dps
stiff oracle
I love it, I just hate the grind to get it
twin leaf
Is TD3 + IT1 still the go to for corruption? Dropping a TD1 belt for IT
chilly brook
Maybe I'm crazy but I don't find things out of my control as fun
Especially when they're huge components of my damage
brisk sparrow
Is Nullification Dynamo minor viable for Shrine of the Storms? I feel like the waterblasts are ripping me apart^^
ionic fern
In general you shouldn't need it.
Water Blasts should be managed by interrupts.
brisk sparrow
okay thanks! 🙂
ionic fern
So tell your DPS to stop slacking and start interrupting. 😄
warm plinth
And if they don't kick, you're not going to survive by an absorb every 15 seconds. Those spells hit hard on higher keys. Salt Blast in TD is the same way. If you don't kick, it's going to rip you apart.
sick sentinel
I just had a very real “pugs didn’t Interrupt” experience in shrine
Twas a short run
sweet summit
epic
chrome palm
is it true that there is a spot in final boss of motherlode that is always safe guaranteed?
steady slate
how do i find out how much damage i block per attack? is it the block value on the shield plus any iron fortress traits?
chrome palm
they never got patched or anything?
sick sentinel
Nope
sweet summit
nah
steady slate
well, at least that's different from the standard "sim it"
sweet summit
steady slate
she's no fun.
the worst is when she's in the middle of all the crap casting poly and you either take the sanity loss trying to close in and pummel or get poly'd and get your sanity wrecked
amber siren
it won't poly her, but it'll stop the cast hitting you
sweet summit
^
chrome palm
@steady slate is your name after ready player one?
steady slate
supposedly, but it never works for me. i'm always at just the wrong angle or something.
nah, named after my favorite samurai actor, toshiro mifune
warm plinth
There is no wrong angle for spell reflect
chrome palm
so my Jes' Howler is simming higher than my vial (same item level). Trust?
amber siren
if you cast reflect and get hit by the eye it'll eat the charge
warm plinth
What are you simming?
steady slate
that's probably what happens. there's so much crap going on in that fight
warm plinth
Like sim type
chrome palm
it's showing Butcher's Block (450) > Jes Howler (465) > Vial (465)
warm plinth
Well the only thing different in most cases for spec to spec is the APL
The items are the items
chrome palm
i'm doing 3 boss/patchwerk/2 min no lust
warm plinth
The only changes per spec would be when it's activated
chrome palm
it's showing sporepods above vial
amber siren
yikes
ionic fern
Vial is not optimized for prot.
chrome palm
that's the simming options that everyone told me on here
was a huge argument
and that was the consensus
warm plinth
No one should be telling you to sim a 3 target 2 minute sim unless they're dumb
ionic fern
LEt me smack them
chrome palm
i will name no names
warm plinth
That's not at all a realistic situation
ionic fern
Give me some names.
chrome palm
it came up when i said dungeon slice was good
strong forum
🤔
warm plinth
Dungeon slice is 100% bad. But you want to sim for realistic scenarios
ionic fern
I mean..not 100% bad..more like..60% bad.
warm plinth
Well I meant like it's bad for sure
strong forum
Patchwerk 1 target 3 minutes w/ bloodlust on
Patchwerk 3 targets 1m 30s no bloodlust
Patchwerk 5 targets 1m30s no bloodlust
chrome palm
right
that's what i've seen
Patchwerk 3 targets 2m no bloodlust
that's what i've been simming
chrome palm
why 90 sec?
warm plinth
I do ST patchwerk for average boss kill time (so usually like 2 min for fortified or 3-4 min for tyrannical), and 5-10 targets (depending on dungeon/pull size for your group) 1-1 1/2 mins no lust for trash
strong forum
cuz pulls dont last 2min
they last 1.5min
1-1.5min
you wanna represent an as close to m+ scenario as possible
warm plinth
It's pretty rare for a pull to last even 1 minute but weird shit happens in super short sims
strong forum
and your pulls wont be 2min
warm plinth
So I don't ever sim less than 1 min
chrome palm
right so it seems like (3 target PW no lust) is not bad
people just said it was bad, right @ionic fern
warm plinth
Well I mean
strong forum
at less than 1min your dps will inflated because it will assume you have all cds ready
warm plinth
When do you pull 3 targets is my question I guess
warm plinth
That doesn't happen too often in most dungeons
warm plinth
Yeah same
ionic fern
Since you rarely pull that low.
chrome palm
so 3 targets is showing that Vial and Jes' Howler are neck & neck
strong forum
the thing is to draw a conclusion off those sims
warm plinth
But yeah the point is you sim realistic situations and make a judgment call using common sense
chrome palm
it seems like jes howler is just better, becuase it helps the party
its dmg and survivability cooldown
warm plinth
Well as Mwahi said, Vial is not optimized for prot
It's probably using it with Avatar or just on CD probably, which is very sub-optimal
main vault
I can’t imagine calling a Vers trinket a survival cd
chrome palm
i just pop it on cd
warm plinth
Yeah, well, that's not optimal XD
chrome palm
when should you use vial
warm plinth
You want to use it after Demo Shout with the next Thunder Clap during Avatar
ionic fern
Vial if you know how to use it and can do so optimally, otherwise you'd probably get more value out of Jes.
warm plinth
Well, tbf the original question was if it was correct that Jes simmed better
warm plinth
Simming vial if it's not optimized is kinda pointless really.
chrome palm
for some comps it seems like the combined DPS increase from jes howler is way better
from all 5 people
warm plinth
At least if you're just using the sim to decide what to use
ionic fern
Currently trinkets that are not implemented by name are paired together with Avatar in sims.
warm plinth
Because Vial starts high and ramps down
ionic fern
^
warm plinth
If you use it with Avatar, you're wasting the first global (and really the next two) by not having all your damage CDs up first
Which are when it has the most effect
warm plinth
Avatar>TC>Demo>TC+Vial
warm plinth
Vial before the 2nd TC so it gets affected by it
chrome palm
it just seems like if you took all the combined DPS increase from jes howler it would be a lot
warm plinth
But it's off GCD so you can press them at essentially the same time
It's really hard to gauge Jes's performance since it has the group component and you can't always control how many targets are getting the vers
sullen valve
@ionic fern is dumb
@warm plinth wowA good
wicked orchid
Should I take a rank 3 echoing void over a rank 2 void ritual? I do not have TD.
warm plinth
Yes, wowA good
chrome palm
yeah i changed it to 5 targets @ 90s and butchers block even higher
is that trinket just nuts?
it's 15 ilvl less
warm plinth
Block is one of the best trinkets for us from M+
sweet summit
this man gets it
worthy spire
Is rezan better than vita/dragonscale?
worthy spire
I have a 475 wrathion against 465 rezan
sweet summit
my rezan has a hole so i use that over my scale
sweet summit
id say scale is better defesively, due to higher uptime as pinky said
so more consistent
but thats just feelycraft
warm plinth
I'd use scale if it's higher ilevel
analog swift
I know this was memes for awhile but lucid major has been feeling really good
sweet summit
its very good if used right, yeah
analog swift
Also nice when running with mages
sweet summit
brittle spade
what essences would you run this week in WS?
sweet summit
Vision major
CnS+Lucid+Sphere/void/warden/
you could also go CoF major, if you want to
brittle spade
👍
strong forum
id run cof major
vop/null/warden minor
cuz last boss has quite some magic dmg going on
and doggo to some extend
warm plinth
Btw, KUJO with a hunter is a fucking meme
sweet summit
yeah
strong forum
or rogue
warm plinth
It's hilarious
strong forum
they can vanish it too, mages can time it too
strong forum
feign has 30sec cd?
warm plinth
lol
We learned about it the other day and used it last night and it's so dumb
We did the hammer strat for first boss too and that's also quite a meme
sweet summit
yeah, null is a great call
warm plinth
Pummeler dies hella fast
sweet summit
but if youre running CoF major, id take void if needed
warm plinth
Both bosses really but more noticeable on pummeler since nothing else is going on
strong forum
yes there was a wowhead post
warm plinth
It said in the interview it would be a buff though so I doubt it's going to be a vendor
That's just people being overly optimistic imo
warm plinth
Same
Which I mean, that'd be fine I guess. Still leaves it open to RNG but at least it can be normalized a bit by doing more content
buoyant scroll
heya u all itse me again the noob tank what uptime form ignore pain and schield block are good
main vault
There is no uptime for ignore pain
And you have those in the wrong order
Shield Block is the only important one, IP is just a rage dump
sweet summit
100*0=0 :/
buoyant scroll
alrighty then what uptime for SB am i gong to
main vault
Whenever you are getting hit by physical, 100%
strong forum
whatever allows you to live
main vault
Between SB and LS
buoyant scroll
yeah i just ask bc i was often told from multiply persons that my uptime on both is crap or to low
main vault
Well if they are saying anything about IP they don’t know what they are talking about
buoyant scroll
so i was too curious that i couldnt hold myself back and ask in the class discord
main vault
But you should aim to block 100% of attacks
strong forum
link us a log from a boss fight and we can tell you if youre pressing your buttons correctly or not
buoyant scroll
u mean in m+
strong forum
additionally you can throw the log into wowanalyzer to get visual feedback
raid / m+ whatever you have
main vault
Whatever the log is from is fine
warm plinth
35% blocked hits too
strong forum
main vault
You aren’t hitting any buttons enough
strong forum
here you have visual feedback on what youre doing wrong
and youre barely pressing any buttons it seems
warm plinth
Prot warrior is beyond GCD locked; if you're not pressing something, you're doing something wrong.
We're the highest APM (actions per minute) spec in the game
main vault
Almost as many Devastator casts as TC
strong forum
for almost 5 seconds into the fight you didnt press a single button
followed by 10seconds of doing nothing
main vault
And somehow still wasted almost 20% rage
buoyant scroll
i feel more of a noob then eva
strong forum
here you didnt press SS for a solid 5 seconds when you could
after that you went another 10 seconds without pressing SS
buoyant scroll
ss?
buoyant scroll
thanks
strong forum
you opened with TC into Deva, when Shield slam was ready
and didnt press SS for a solid 4 globals
buoyant scroll
ahh its the raid
strong forum
yes
thats why you couldnt block the attack, you didnt have enough rage
because you pressed devatate instead of SS
so you took like 5 seconds of dmg to the face, and then refreshed Shiedblock 2 seconds after using your first shieldblock
then you let SB drop and didnt cover gaps with Last Stand
you often overlap SB very early with a fresh SB, and you miss alot of SS and TC casts
oblique garnet
still pagoda
leechbrains 
strong forum
so yeah @buoyant scroll maybe optimise your UI better so you can see your buttons more clearly, pay a little more attention to buff uptimes
cuz i feel like youre often pressing your buttons at random without paying attention to them
buoyant scroll
alright thanks for the help
strong forum
just for reference
https://i.imgur.com/1GVSTvx.png
this is my opener
this is your opener
sweet summit
nome used avatar before pull*
strong forum
ye just before charge i used avatar
warm plinth
Nome can we talk about the insane RNG you had for that Avatar lol. Holy SS resets Batman
strong forum
its called skill, you should look it up :coolpepe:
warm plinth
pfffft
strong forum
:coolpepe:
strong forum
3 seconds 3 SS, big gamer here
sweet summit
yes?
sleek wing
that was a lie.
sweet summit
ive said that before
warm plinth
R1 of Sphere is easy to get.
sweet summit
ive never lied 👀
sleek wing
took 8 epic BGs to get one win
sweet summit
so that cant be me
sleek wing
just lost my island 18k to 3k
left hatch
well 1. don't conflate hard and time consuming
warm plinth
The key to winning PvP islands is to not PvP
warm plinth
You just pull massively and kill shit
mortal brook
best trinket for islands is torment btw. not only tags but grabs neutrals too \o/
sleek wing
lol that's fair, it is truly a miserable easy essence to get
orchid frigate
noticed i had this ring in my bags collecting dust. never noticed how much haste it has
orchid frigate
wow!!
sweet summit
this is 
main vault
TD3 is only 15k lol
Vessels down to 1750 though
echoes
So you can double buy them
sweet summit
buying vessels with echoes, kinda weirdchamp
main vault
Yeah but that means you can double dip a bit
holy shit though
you can buy a r3 essence for 2.5k
sweet summit
depends on how many echoes you get from visions
sweet summit
id think it works like it works now
main vault
r3 is 500 now
main vault
Now way they raise it by 5x for fun
"We highly suggest that you purchase any Rank 3 Essences that you want and can afford as soon as possible."
sweet summit
they raise it by 5x for people that had echoes
main vault
Makes it sound 100% new ones
main vault
"Due to a technical limitation, items that have been cleansed cannot be re-corrupted."
sweet summit
shit
still pagoda
👀
sweet summit
eh
main vault
Makes sense though
still pagoda
DO THEY REALLY ADD IT?
sweet summit
yeah
main vault
Blue!!!!
still pagoda
i see it rn
main vault
BFA isn’t shit anymore!!!!!!
still pagoda
aight
cinder pasture
Thank god for this news. Just had to get rid of a TD 2 on shield cause I got a higher ilvl one
sweet summit
BFA still bad, but a lil better
main vault
Yeah but
still pagoda
_
We’re also reducing the requirements for any quest step in upgrading the cloak from Ranks 1 to 15 that previously required multiple Horrific Visions. Each Rank can now be achieved in a single Horrific Vision. For example, upgrading your Rank 13 cloak to Rank 14 will now require 2 Torn Pages of “The Final Truth” (was 6), so if you’re currently in possession of 2 or more pages, you’ll turn them all in and immediately complete that quest. The following quest to upgrade from Rank 14 to 15 will then require that you go get 2 more new Torn Pages (was 8).
The requirements for further minor upgrades to the cloak after Rank 15 with Malefic Cores have not been changed.
MOTHER will also offer Vessels of Horrific Visions in exchange for Echoes of Ny’alotha, providing an additional source of access to Horrific Visions that does not require completion of Assaults._
i'm stockpiling coagulated visions for next week now
gotta get dat 15 cloak in 3 runs
main vault
Yeah I’m not doing any more runs until this is dropped
still pagoda
Yeah I’m not doing any more runs until this is dropped
@main vault
Didn't do any visions in 3 days because i was mostly studying and leveling my monk on spare time, but now it's the time
main vault
Just think how much of a joke raids will be a month
still pagoda
Pretty much
main vault
There will be like 3x as many Nzoth kills
still pagoda
Twilight Devastation III 15000
main vault
shit xpac
still pagoda
still pagoda
Also easier gearing process for my monk
still pagoda
gotta move over to Kazzak-EU faster
sweet summit
@main vault maybe in SL
main vault
Who is ready for BoE prices to completely crash
still pagoda
Vessel of Horrific Visions 1750
Technically this i really good by itself
still pagoda
since it is basically double the visions per week
main vault
When corruption eixsts
warm plinth
Well, it means that you can farm sockets faster once you have the corruption you want basically
still pagoda
Well, once you've got TD5, it's probably a good thing to for more mementos and random corrupted items
warm plinth
I just hope they can fix the limitation on already corrupted items
Because it'll suck not being able to corrupt cache items
warm plinth
Yeah but they said they're going to try to fix it which is more than they've said for TD 😂
main vault
You arent wrong
warm plinth
I want to meet the man or woman who created Tol Dagor
So I can shake their hand, but like REALLY HARD
With a certain look so that they know what I want to convey
warm plinth
When I'm leveling characters in Shadowlands, if I get TD, I will leave immediately on principle
empty nacelle
warm plinth
Yeah sorry, Tol Dagor is what I was referring to
If Tol Dagor had working walls and floors, then I'd like it a lot more
left hatch
eyyy can swap around my TD pieces to be on 475 GOOD pieces
instead of the hodgepodge of stats nad ilvls
maiden ravine
actually
it's kind abad
cause the stuff I'd WANT to corrupt will all be stuff that is from visions or my caches
main vault
how in the fuck can you look at this and say its bad
left hatch
do raid or 15s?
main vault
Corrupting a 460 would still be better than leech on a 470
maiden ravine
only on an alt, which I guess this is what it's tailored to
main vault
Even a main itll be better
What character it is doesnt automatically make a crap corruption on a 470 good
sharp night
why 460? you can easily get 465s
maiden ravine
You have to have the WORST luck in the game to not at least have 50 corruption of something you really want
Eh, I don't like grinding 14s on alts.
left hatch
^ i have a 445 belt with TD
sharp night
getting rid of those for 465s is gonna be 👌
maiden ravine
I mean yeah, you get to upgrade those slots, but it's not like you didn't have the corruption
main vault
Man I swear to god, every time someone says something you always have an excuse lol
sharp night
it's a pretty massive stat upgrade even without swapping for better corruption
left hatch
well thats the point lol, it allows for more min maxing
sharp night
yeah
this system is almost perfect
i don't like the "cycle of available" thing if that means i have to wait a month, but it's way better than what we've had up until now
main vault
wait a month?
maiden ravine
@main vault I'm just saying if you don't have some corruption you wanted at this point on a MAIN, you barely play. It's a response to your absolute negativity regarding it.
left hatch
Nexii didn't have any negativity on the system lol
you were the one coming in here complaining the system is bad
still pagoda
It is going to be really easy to gear up my monk. Only 3 essences to buy and then just spam echoes into corruption
main vault
Yeah super easy lol
maiden ravine
No, Nexii has spent the last week complaining about corruptions in general and how it's so hard to get them.
sharp night
well nexii
in the sample post from blizzard
there are 8 available corruptions
and there are a total of like 53? i think
so that means 7 cycles
if it's set
main vault
Are we counting raid specific?
maiden ravine
My understanding is that mother will have all of them
sharp night
so about a month
main vault
You can’t get those
sharp night
no
maiden ravine
they just were showing how costs may look
main vault
And they also said that was a sample
left hatch
it literally says in the post what she has is on a cycle
still pagoda
Or everything at the start. Since they've provided example
maiden ravine
ah
still pagoda
Ah
sharp night
yeah it says it cycles
still pagoda
Ok
main vault
Right
main vault
Cause it says there is a set pool for each assault type
still pagoda
The inventory of available Preserved Contaminants will change twice each week, mirroring the Assault cadence, and will cycle through all available Corruption effects at various levels of potency.
maiden ravine
I can already hear the Paladins and Monks crying over IT2 being purchasable before IT1 or 3. 😄
main vault
sample
still pagoda
I can already hear the Paladins and Monks crying over IT2 being purchasable before IT1 or 3. 😄
@maiden ravine
The one crying is gonna be me
still pagoda
Ye
main vault
So who evn cares about 2 or 3
maiden ravine
@sharp night they said it'll cycle through ALL powers and potencies
main vault
Thats not what he is saying at all lol
main vault
He gets that
sharp night
there are only 2 ranks of IT in game
main vault
He is only questioning how long that takes
maiden ravine
why did I think there was a third, my bad.
left hatch
"all available" im not sure they define Special corruptions like Obsidian Skin or Searing Breath as available
main vault
yeah
left hatch
since they're not really corruptions
main vault
If you can buy raid corruptions
main vault
you might as well close the raid
left hatch
yeh
still pagoda
Well... I dunno
maiden ravine
Gear isn't what's keeping ANY guild from killing that fight right now
still pagoda
This change makes it to the point of becoming easier than HFC after full rings
main vault
Yeah
Gear now, and gear then, will be two completely different things
Gear will literally carry then
maiden ravine
no it won't
we have guilds with 10 more average ilvl than Limit had and a nerfed fight still struggling to hit 50%
lofty helm
Guys i see many ppl who tell the war tale alot of damage, is real? I will use it in offspec but dont know if is good or not
main vault
ilvl doesnt mean a damn thing anymore
maiden ravine
These are guilds that are still min maxing their corruptions and buying BoEs
left hatch
so if it comes out mid october... thats ~25 weeks more of corruption resistance
main vault
Yes
left hatch
if you're saying everyone in game having 3 more ranks of TD isn't big
main vault
You are comparing gear now, which is irrelvant
left hatch
idk what to say lol
still pagoda
I suppose +30 won't be a deadlock this time around
main vault
Gear will absolutely carry kills
maiden ravine
I mean that's a function of the resistance which was already in place long before this update
left hatch
rather, corruption is gonna carry kills
main vault
Just like artifact carried in Legion
maiden ravine
so this update isn't gonna change the fight getting easier
left hatch
hes just being a contrarian
main vault
If you dont think have full 475 withwhatever you want and max resist doesnt make it easier
You arent playing the game
maiden ravine
In what way? I'm saying that ANYONE that's actually been playing, raiding, and doing their weekly M+ and visions are swimming in corruption already. The only thing preventing them adding more is the cloak which isn't changing.
maiden ravine
define good corruption? Gushing Wound in every slot?
main vault
I swear you come just to argue what anyone says lol
No
Gushing Wound wont cap resist
So that would be a waste
left hatch
you're also looking at this from the perspective of just a tank
left hatch
the difference in even 10 overall ilvls on say a hDH, with fully verse gems and 3 more TD
is massive
main vault
Itll be insane
left hatch
and thats just one of your ~14ish dps
maiden ravine
Like I have 3 different characters I can throw TD4-6 on, and they also have TA, EV, or other stuff. I totally get that RNG is RNG and like how there will ALWAYS be someone who never gets a raid mount they want, but that is such an edge case that I find anyone arguing that at this point not having serviceable corruptions for your spec is either a fresh character, or didn't try.
still pagoda
I'm pretty lucky on rng so far tho
main vault
Do you have 10 pieces with TD3?
maiden ravine
And I'm saying BiS isn't what's keeping most guilds from killing the fight as it stands. If you have people standing in the bad and not managing their sanity you still won't kill mythic N'zoth.
still pagoda
Running TD3/IT1/Exp2 and kinda get more and more
left hatch
and thats the fundamental flaw in your argument, if you think that months of min maxing to get 475 perfect corruptions with more resistance
isn't going to change anything
main vault
Think how easier managing sanity will be when people are doing literally double their dps
still pagoda
^
maiden ravine
I doubt you'll see a bunch of guilds that suddenly decide to prog mythic just cause of this. I mean perhaps you'll see pugs getting CE, but guilds, they've already got it, are close, or are done for the expansion.
main vault
Heavily heavily disagree
still pagoda
pugs getting CE
left hatch
noone said guilds will suddenly decide to prog Mythic
still pagoda
main vault
Youll see guilds that are 5-8/M atm getting CE
still pagoda
noone said guilds will suddenly decide to prog Mythic
@left hatch
Well, there're always guilds that want and slowly get into mythic raiding
main vault
I bet there are heroic only guilds that will get CE now
left hatch
^ itll also let ppl get their toe into the door
maiden ravine
I'm not sure how many guilds that are 5/8 are still banging their heads against that wall.
main vault
Tons
left hatch
lots
main vault
literally hundreds
still pagoda
This won't be a incentivising thing, but it will help them get into it
main vault
There are 600 Nzoth kills already
maiden ravine
and?
main vault
I will bet you 1mil gold there are over 2k by prepatch
still pagoda
Get into the main niche content of the game
sharp night
i would be super surprised if any heroic-only guilds suddenly went and got CE
left hatch
exactly what Karton said. its not an incentive its a disgusting power creep
sharp night
so many of the players in those guilds just barely even do any content or min-max like that
left hatch
but noones talking about heroic only guilds lol
still pagoda
Next addon: Raid drama in "Corruption baby" guilds over them not being able to kill first 4 bosses of mythic like they did in BFA
Gordunni-EU Uldir situation all over again
maiden ravine
Like does it matter if it's easier to get CE in a few months? People can check the date the achieve is earned, and I'd still respect someone who got it later in a guild over people buying CE carries
main vault
From being carried....by gear!
left hatch
if it doesn't matter
left hatch
why are you arguing about it
main vault
Cause he literally comes just to argue shit lol
still pagoda
This will hurt ally even more. Difficulty spikes kill new raiding guilds
Especially on already scarcely populated EU alliance
maiden ravine
You come here to be a downer Nexii and hate the game, I finally have a patch I'm happy about after dealing with 8.0-8.2 😄
main vault
When was I the downer?
left hatch
what
main vault
You literally started this saying the change was bad
left hatch
Nexii has been nothing but positive today
main vault
How are you this stupid
left hatch
and you came in shitting on this update
about how bad and useless it is
don't call someoen else out for negativity
still pagoda
Basically what happened in EN
@main vault
And also Antorus with insane gear power creep. Though it had few roadblocks like Imonar
left hatch
ok he was a bit toxic there but
main vault
Yeah thats true too
maiden ravine
I said the current version is bad cause a lot of people can't upgrade the gear they'll most likely want to upgrade, but Blizzard already said they're trying to fix that
main vault
Im usually toxic
still pagoda
I'm always toxic since i'm Russian
left hatch
you said none of those qualifying statements
still pagoda
main vault
which is the ONLY negative thing anyone said
I loved absolutely everything about the change
Its amazing, at any level
left hatch
and then went on to harp on how gear won't matter or help more guilds get CE
maiden ravine
Because I'm trying to type and process thoughts at the same time while do other things. I'm sorry I didn't qualify it earlier. I SAID right away that I wouldn't be able to upgrade my best gear cause my 470 and 475 gear is all stuff I've cleansed. 😄
left hatch
yeh esp with prog raiding every. little. bit. helps
still pagoda
And it helps out a lot
left hatch
esp if you're not in an incredible guild
still pagoda
Antorus included the artifact jump right?
@main vault yep
And also overpowered T21's
main vault
I bet that didnt help CE either
left hatch
i mean.. turning off the artifact didn't help
still pagoda
^
left hatch
that was the most awkward week of raiding iv experienced in years
main vault
Well no, but that wasnt til prepatch
left hatch
decade even
maiden ravine
Antorus had the trinket legendary that kept scaling as it's soft nerf
left hatch
i did D:
main vault
and it was worse than the purple in alot of cases
still pagoda
Nothing would help the raid where only significant roadblocks were Imonar, Coven and last 2 bosses
main vault
smdh
main vault
He meant the leggo
still pagoda
Red and brown ones
main vault
amalthuls or whatever
left hatch
i had to roll the tank one just for group buff chance
main vault
It wasnt even that good
still pagoda
It was losing to red one for both warr dps specs