Leech got nerfed too
#protection
warm plinth
strong forum
Rip OP, now only balanced
tame garden
Good riddance tho lol sorry ghash
strong forum
They get their leech back ghash
tame garden
Fuck dh
strong forum
But only on higher level
warm plinth
If the defensive stuff was the only changes I would still play probably
But with a shorter demonic window, and haste in general in SL looking like it's taking a hit, it means it's going to be a much slower spec
And the enjoyable part about the spec (for me) is that it's like playing Ninja Gaiden in WoW
strong forum
It's a little too much fun, for how dumb it is
Tbh
Compared to other classes
It's so amazing at everything, and fast
warm plinth
Yeah they needed to be taken down a peg for sure, but I just think it's gone too far from a fun perspective
Especially since we won't have furious gaze anymore either
strong forum
Well haste always makes a class more fun
That's always gonna be a thing
Who knows what legendaries will do
tame garden
That's why first patch always sucks
strong forum
It do be like that
tame garden
No haste gang
strong forum
Can't have fun haste levels at fresh 60 and then still get more to progress
Atleast the way they have progressed the game in the last expansions
high gale
Anyone know how to show spell reflect damage in details?
strong forum
It would be kinda fun to not trade out every single slot every patch, but it would also reduce reason to play
Get the most recent update Mike
It's included in the most recent version of details
You no longer need the weakaura
warm plinth
Yeah you're right Nome. I think it's time I got back to tanking anyway though. I didn't really do it at all this expansion
Kinda miss it
tame garden
Cuz dps is boring
main vault
Im trying my hardest to do the opposite
tame garden
:)
main vault
Ive started off every xpac since WoD as DPS, and always get sucked in
strong forum
It's frustrating to play a dps with a weird tank
undone sun
https://wago.io/IwPukH70B/ @high gale
main vault
Yeah thats usually what sucks me in
strong forum
Most tanks started off that way, play with shit tanks, become a shit tank yourself
sweet summit
details is showing spell reflect damage with its latest update now
strong forum
As I've mentioned
warm plinth
Well I do have a good tank, which is fortunate. But he may want to try some other stuff as well. So we'll probably just see where we end up with what he wants to play vs what I want to play
tame garden
Yeah thyme keep up
strong forum
If you have the weak aura + details, it'll double your SR dmg and display wrong dps
warm plinth
As long as what I'm playing is fun then it's whatever
strong forum
Had that in JY, did 113k dps on my screen, but 107k on the others
sweet summit
ya
strong forum
So I deleted the WA
undone sun
@tame garden no u
warm plinth
I think my highest in JY is like 109k overall 🙃
strong forum
Sounds like you need to pump more as dps ghash
warm plinth
I guess so
undone sun
Speg for reg
warm plinth
I need my corruption to proc more
tame garden
strong forum
warm plinth
Why do specific pieces have to take so fucking long to get
strong forum
Why do you not have 3
warm plinth
I have a raid piece right now
tame garden
Hallu ghash
ionic fern
Hallu.
tame garden
@ionic fern 
ionic fern
tame garden
Do you have mythic maut helm
warm plinth
Imagine thinking I do mythic
warm plinth
I have the BiS vendor helm
strong forum
Have you thought about using 465 pieces with FG
ionic fern
Imagine thinking i do mythic.
tame garden
ionic fern
It's fine, that one was mostly targeted at me.
warm plinth
The issue is that since I don't raid (and am not going to raid) mythic, I have to have 3 specific vendor pieces
ionic fern
😂
strong forum
Random will do
warm plinth
And specifics take forever to get
Like idk why it has to take 2 1/2 months to get a specific piece
That's so unreasonable
warm plinth
I bought two randoms and then started saving. I have like 4-5 more weeks for my 2nd specific
strong forum
Sounds like you need to do higher keys
warm plinth
I'm doing 20ish keys
tame garden
Ghash pumping
warm plinth
I'm 2928 score atm
warm plinth
I would've gambled a third time if I hadn't gotten N'zoth shoulders from the first mythic dungeon weekly lol
warm plinth
How does gambling help me if I don't get what I'm after? Just puts me further behind
tame garden
Just be lucky
warm plinth
lol
tame garden
strong forum
On 2 chars
warm plinth
Honestly it's super tempting to just gamble considering I have two of the 3 pieces I need already
And I could gamble twice right now
sweet summit
just save
warm plinth
Yeah probably
still pagoda
just scrap everything you don't need
warm plinth
I have like 11.6k or something atm
sweet summit
dont listen to the propaganda
main vault
If you dont scrap what you currently wear, are you even actually trying
strong forum
Play the system, don't let the system play you
warm plinth
Don't you have to pay the residuum you scrapped it for to get it back though?
main vault
yes
strong forum
1k only
main vault
which you wont have if you buy
strong forum
For 480
warm plinth
Oh
limpid zinc
is it true that u can put engi target dummy and tank buster will hit it?
warm plinth
Uh
sweet summit
thats a new one
warm plinth
I guess if it taunts, it's possible
But if it doesn't, then no
@wooden radish
Hi cutie
wooden radish
What’s up big sexy Don
warm plinth
dark marsh
hey guys i have a quick question... how exactly does ignore pain work? if i press it does it just absorb X amount of dmg? or if for example i get hit for 1million does it reduce the dmg by 50% and from that it absorbs x amount?
main vault
50% up to an amount
dark marsh
so its just absorb
main vault
It says in the TT though, not to be a smartass
"Fight through the pain, ignoring 50% of damage taken, up to [(0 + Attack power * 3.5) * (1 + Versatility)] total damage prevented."
dark marsh
y my question is why the tooltip says that with 50% dmg reduce? it could just say absorbs X amount
main vault
Because that is different
warm plinth
It ignores (absorbs) 50% of damage taken, up to x amount.
main vault
If your IP is 25, and you get hit for 100, then it will absorb 50, but your IP is 25, so only 25
warm plinth
It can't say absorbs x amount because then it means it would absorb all of a hit, potentially
main vault
If you got hit by 50, it would absorb 25 and you get hit for 25
warm plinth
Which it can't
main vault
Its like a stagger type pool with a max amoutn
And anything left over you get hit with
strong forum
If you take 200k dmg and have 100k IP. You take 100k dmg
If you take 50k dmg and have 100k IP you take 25k dmg and have 75k IP left
If take 400k dmg and have 100k IP you take 300k dmg
dark marsh
ah okay i get it thanks... and does the trinket from nzoth work the same way?
strong forum
Yes
tame garden
Yes
main vault
If you take 50k dmg and have 100k IP you take 50k dmg and have 50k IP left
tame garden
Its literally IP but for everyone
main vault
when your math
warm plinth
Nome has gud math
undone sun
1+1=2
warm plinth
And I did not get my chest
main vault
EU math
undone sun
(edited)
strong forum
No, that's lies
undone sun
(edited)
strong forum
So many liers in chat 👀
main vault
Your life is a lie
undone sun
All life is a lie, we're just in a simulation.
main vault
just giving out yellow in here
strong forum
Take the Red pill
undone sun
nexii gets it
undone sun
yup
chilly brook
I think the game corrupted us
undone sun
only the strongest escape
sick sentinel
what dungeons are the best for dynamo?
still pagoda
fort KR, WCM, ToS, Tyrannical ML
sweet summit
tyrann WS too
cursive musk
I see a lot of tanks in high keys run the nzoth trinket.. what about the maut trinket? is that just pure shit or is it good but not as good+
strong forum
It's pretty bad
The CD on it makes it very much weaker
And inside raid, pillars and m+ endbosses nzoth trinket is the same size as a max Maut trinket but with half its CD
steep wraith
M+ end bosses count as being in nzoth realm?
sweet summit
with fighting a pillar ye
i think also last boss shrine counts
even without pillar
main vault
I thought only his phase did
warm plinth
Yeah pretty sure it's only when you're down fighting the denizens, not the entire fight
sweet summit
ah ye, that might be it
sweet summit
Even without pillars?
main vault
I didnt think they were without pillars
But I guess it’s possible
Just because of how the pillar mechanic works
brittle owl
yes even without fighting an awakened mob
sweet summit
Cool
main vault
Does it work for like, ring bonuses and etc too?
gray bane
do you pretty much use memory of lucid dreams on cd in m+?
warm plinth
What level keys are you doing?
sick sentinel
That's not the question, You use it on CD until you know a big pull is about to happen; than you save it for like a maximum of like 30-40 seconds
@gray bane
sweet summit
Just make sure to have it for the pulls you cant do without it
warm plinth
I mean, I know it's not the question. But I'd rather tell them they shouldn't use it if they're doing 17s or something lol
gray bane
oh right, yeah I'm getting into 18+ territory now 🙂
up until now I was just using vision of perfection
river linden
anyone that can do a sim for me i think my raidbots did crash
gray bane
I still don't really feel like I NEED lucid dreams cause I'm not struggling to survive at all, but I just got declined cause "no lucid dreams and bad corruptions"
I thought haste corruptions were pretty good though?
for reference, this is my character: https://raider.io/characters/eu/twisting-nether/Lynaea
west mica
For level you seem to be doing which is 17s/18s lucid is definitely not needed. The corruption thing is probably because they don’t see twilight dev if I’m guessing
But haste corruptions are decent on warrior although tdev and vers corruptions are usually better the higher you go into keys
main vault
@river linden message me your shit Ill do it
warm plinth
@gray bane The people who declined you are actually morons
still pagoda
I still don't really feel like I NEED lucid dreams cause I'm not struggling to survive at all, but I just got declined cause "no lucid dreams and bad corruptions"
@gray bane
Bro, lucid is not used up untill 23's and higher
warm plinth
You don't need lucid til like 22/23 keys probably, if then
still pagoda
They're moronic colossuses
slow hatch
Can I ask about tank trinkets here or is there a better spot?
cursive hedge
hey guys, my first heroic run through nya is tonight (getting carried). Which bosses should I coin on?
cursive hedge
i have 4 coins though 😛
still pagoda
gray bane
alright, good to know, happy I sanity checked here. Also, I don't see strength of the warden being used a lot at all, even though it seems pretty good?
left hatch
its not good
gray bane
what setup would you guys recommend until 22/23 keys? granted it might vary per dungeon
left hatch
its just a +10 resistance slot
gray bane
I mean as a minor
gray bane
err sorry, I ment aegis of the deep!
warm plinth
Vision major, C&S/Lucid/Sphere/Aegis/Formless minors in roughly that order
left hatch
aegis can be very good but its only on par with the other stat essences IF you're in combat with 6+ targets
still pagoda
Since most healers don't use CoF where i play rn(16-17) and i will go over 60 corruption without it
left hatch
so you either play around it
or use something else
cause its essentailly a dead slot on bosses otherwise
gray bane
alright fair enough, thanks for the info 🙂
still pagoda
Got my monk up to lvl 72 today. I think i'm gonna start gearing him up next week already. So basically it will be possible to start looking for a raiding guild as a tank on Kazzak-EU in about 3-4 weeks from now
gray bane
is sphere mainly for the haste?
still pagoda
left hatch
i quit monk because of how boring raid tanking is on them
still pagoda
3/12M with casual guild here
gray bane
yeah, it's very "set", kinda, there's not much reactionary play on monk
still pagoda
Gonna change this situation once i gear up monk and abandon raidung on RU alliance side
left hatch
even using purifying brew has no nuance to it
gray bane
I'm loving m+ on my warrior atm though - it's actually better geared than my monk... not just in terms of ilvl, but also stats-wise
yeah
main vault
once you learn how to use normalized stagger
@left hatch this
left hatch
but it might be more fun in shadowlands
gray bane
yeah, so idk, mostly playing warrior atm outside raids
main vault
But raid tanking is snooze
gray bane
I do enjoy raid tanking, but it is a lot of waiting for the dps to finally get their shit together
gray bane
yeah, I also tend to get a bit sleepy at times
left hatch
and thats every roll tbh
still pagoda
Well, it's gonna be a hella lot of new experience with monk on English speaking horde
gray bane
your life is in the healer's hands and that's about it
left hatch
if you're a god dps its still 2-3 pulls to learn your job
gray bane
yeah
left hatch
and then 40 for the 4heads to get it together
gray bane
well, we took 76 on carapace haha
left hatch
your guild is a lot better than mine haha
i chose friends over progression
so its a lot slower
still pagoda
Well. I've seen my current guild not being able to kill Wrathion under enrage timer
He literally died on 11min timer
left hatch
kills a kill right?
still pagoda
Right... But that was suffering when i did 35-40k dps as a tank and some people did less
And i'm also not really an MT in the guild. But both tanks are swapping problems each raid night
One night DH is drunk
Another monk bro gets bad connection
And i'm literally a tank on half a stake
sick sentinel
If you ain’t raiding drunk where is the challenge
still pagoda
sick sentinel
The liquor will forever be my worst enemy in raid
sick sentinel
Is there liquor in it
still pagoda
No
sick sentinel
Tough scene
still pagoda
But sometimes i can just go through few mugs in a matter of an hour
Constantly going back and forth between my room and kitchen on the first floor
main vault
how do you raid sober this late in an xpac
still pagoda
I don't drink
main vault
but you are russian, isnt that a sin
junior ivy
Where's people I know
still pagoda
Beyond the void
warm plinth
Yes
junior ivy
Had bebe today
mortal brook
warm plinth
fathom hollow
warm plinth
Weren't you SF before 🤔
Also I'm kind of offended I don't have the Friend role @oblique garnet I thought we had something.
warm plinth
Wow, that's harsh af
jade socket
catfriend had special role before tyrant marok took it away
jade socket
@fierce juniper
warm plinth
My legacy is getting 
changed to sporepods. Surely that means something.
undone sun
friend role still has access to ||memehold||
main vault
my life goal now is to get memehold access
oblique garnet
No.
undone sun
lmao
empty nacelle
i just want to see some shadowlands emotes
pulsar canopy
@junior ivy
oblique garnet
No point in shadowlands emotes when shadowlands isnt current
fierce juniper
@junior ivy 
fathom hollow
oblique garnet
Hello Private Marok
fierce juniper
Ello
main vault
Marok!!!!!!!
oblique garnet
When are you returning to wow
warm plinth
Marok I need Friend role
oblique garnet
Also since you are a private i outrank you
main vault
Marok is bis
scenic hollow
Do you guys ever have a consistent route for Motherload? Or just kinda have a direction you go in and wing it for %? Every time I run it in Pugs, it seems different due to all the variables.
main vault
All dungeons have a consistent route based on week
fierce juniper
Ghash unfortunately tyrant vel would banish me if I have you friend role
warm plinth
RIP
fierce juniper
Hi Nexii how are you
oblique garnet
Usually playing like 55-60% trash before first boss and then kill trash before pillar after first boss then its just basically pillar hop to bosses
scenic hollow
Just it seems in pugs sometimes they wake peacekeepers, sometimes they don’t etc. Random shit happens where I need to make adjustments constantly
main vault
Im good just came back myself a monthish ago
empty nacelle
@oblique garnet i guess
sharp night
there's a maximum range where the jockeys will go for a nearby peacekeeper, so you either need to knock/grip (out of combat) or for patrols, make sure they're near the one you want them to activate
some are guaranteed, and our route accounts for that so we don't have to sit around and wait for specific things
scenic hollow
Ok cheers. Yeah I just Pug everything, so I try to take the “dumbest” route possible to account for shitters.
pulsar canopy
mister adam is going to re-make potent in shadowlands
scenic hollow
I usually hug left at entrance, then take obe all the way to the right behind building then clear everything up to boss
fierce juniper
sean...
warm plinth
We go around the right
scenic hollow
Yeah. I take obe to right then clear from there
warm plinth
We do a triple pull at the start, then obelisk to the middle, then go around the right side and pull most of the shit there except maybe one pack? Idk. vince does the hard work of knowing what to pull. I just hit stuff.
scenic hollow
Just asking as percentage is never very accurate and I find I’m winging it a bit on pulls after first boss to account for it
warm plinth
I'm a simple man. He says big pull, I press meta
main vault
Just sit down and map out your route beforehand
sharp night
67% or higher before first boss, 86% or higher before second
and then you're set
is how i do it
scenic hollow
Guess I just need to be a bit smarter ensuring that peacekeepers get activated
sharp night
although i have the pulls memorized
warm plinth
Honestly for the most part they should just activate. In PUGs you just have to make sure DPS know not to stop it
oblique garnet
Im fairly sure you dont even need 67% before first
sharp night
you don't if you pull more after first
but i try to do everything we need in 2 pulls there
and then go to pillar
oblique garnet
Theres 6 packs that you can pull fairly easily
warm plinth
Usually in PUGs people will stun/whatever the jockeys when they're trying to enter, and then they won't try again so you are out the peacekeeper
oblique garnet
Or 7 packs
oblique garnet
Id much rather play that trash than deal with peacekeepers
sharp night
doing that one extra pack only saves you 1 peacekeeper though
oblique garnet
No but its overall faster to play
main vault
Sunday night keys are the worst
sick sentinel
Especially when you’re in an organized group and you’re all trolling :^)
main vault
lol
shadow haven
do you guys like panda racials?
sick sentinel
Hell yeah brother
shadow haven
hell yeah!
sick sentinel
warm plinth
That's the best transmog I've ever seen
shadow haven
plate fits pandas very nicely, they are big and muscular, like ogres!
sick sentinel
It makes me feel complete
empty nacelle
and squishy
main vault
That is disgusting
slate pond
+10 disease damage
empty nacelle
too soon
sick sentinel
You ever hit an enemy so hard with a fish that they crumble
empty nacelle
ive usually eaten the fish by then
sullen hinge
Hi, may i ask do i need to cleanse Faralos empire dream? i was reading wowhead and it says to clenase it
mortal brook
that depends on your other corruptions and budget my dude. faralos is pretty middle of the pack, but by no means the worst corruption.
if you've got TD tho, ez cleanse
frozen venture
what would you guys use in 19-20 keys for trinkets out of these options: rezan's, dragonscale, torment, sporepods
all 460
sick sentinel
First of all
Take those sporepods
And throw them in the garbage
Second of all
Use double haste trinkets
sullen hinge
that depends on your other corruptions and budget my dude. faralos is pretty middle of the pack, but by no means the worst corruption.
@mortal brook thank you.
whats TD?
mortal brook
Twilight devastation
lean arch
🌪️
sullen hinge
ill google it. thanks
amber siren
coarse hollow
So question. Why would I loose Aggro. I am useing thunder clap after I charge in. Unless my naga is pressing another button and canceling it out?
Or should it not matter after a few thunder claps. Because it gets ripped
ionic fern
What content are we talking about?
Losing aggro to who?
ionic fern
In general the answer to a question of "Why would i lose aggro?" is simple:
1)Someone taunted
2)Someone used a hard hitting ability (Iris,Meta,etc) before you could get a few globals in
3)You are playing the class wrong
mortal brook
- massive gear difference
coarse hollow
Yea popping Cooldowns. But even through trix
I am 470 bis with triple twilight
Minus the N’Zoth trinket
mortal brook
nozth trinket isnt an agro tool
coarse hollow
No I am saying in general
ionic fern
Maybe someone got a lucky TD proc at the start of the pack and pulled off from you?
coarse hollow
I am bis minus that
brittle owl
there's almost 0 reason to lose aggro as a pwarr outside of eyebeam>fel barrage>merektha before you get 2 claps in
ionic fern
It's really hard to say for sure what's going wrong if we don't have loggs or a video or w/e.
brittle owl
with BotE beforehand
brittle owl
also why would you use LPS in 18's 
coarse hollow
I don’t have it. I need it lol
brittle owl
yeah but, why
brittle owl
it's borderline inting
coarse hollow
I want to do higher and need to get it
brittle owl
to use defensive trinkets in sub 21/22's
ionic fern
Okay, back to the topic.
Is this happening on every single dungeon or just some specific ones? Is it mostly AoE packs? Is it to some specific classes?
left hatch
i mean Nom is doing 22's and im pretty sure doesn't use it 1/2 the time
its a very powerful trinket if you have a reason for it yes
but that doesn't mean you can't push into 20's without it (:
coarse hollow
True.
left hatch
could you link your gear? im curious what you're defining as best in slot
coarse hollow
I just starting doing higher keys
Everything haste vers. Haste is 36 percent mastery around 30 and vers at 18
left hatch
well haste verse isn't the right statline
ionic fern
Gearing is a whole other topic. Even if his stats aren't the most optimal it wouldn't affect his threat outcome that much if played properly.
brittle owl
dps wise and defensively
ionic fern
So.. @coarse hollow
Is this happening on every single dungeon or just some specific ones? Is it mostly AoE packs? Is it to some specific classes?
left hatch
is it only when they pop big cd's like BoTE/eyebeam/iris?
candid niche
What are you losing it too ?
left hatch
or is it more frequenlty
coarse hollow
Demon hunters
ionic fern
Are you using DS/Avatar properly?
Are you using TC as every other GCD inside Avatar windows?
coarse hollow
Yes
left hatch
is it just on the initial pull? or are you continuing to struggle throughout the pull
coarse hollow
Only thing I was thinking is I am meaning to push tc and am pressing another button by it. I play with a naga
Sometimes initial. Sometimes middle pull
ionic fern
Maybe bind TC to something else then? 👀
It's literally the bread and butter of the spec with the current optimal talent choices.
left hatch
if its on pull its on them for popping eyebeam too early, ask them nicely to wait a few GCD's into the pull to blow their memebeams
brittle owl
bote>beam>fel barrage right at the start can be bad
left hatch
and yah, if any of your binds are too close to other binds that you fat finger it... you should be binding things differently
even if it wasn't on something as critical as Tclap
coarse hollow
I see
north axle
can some of you share their stats
left hatch
stat %'s don't matter
ionic fern
@north axle that's literally not a thing.
left hatch
don't worry about verse, the only time itll matter or make a meaningful make or break difference is if you're pushing like
25's
its nice, but it scales super slowly and doesn't become necessary until you literally need it to survive 1-shots with perfect play.
which won't happen till keys roughly around that level
amber siren
left hatch
more stats > the right stats
ionic fern
Pretty sure i'm running around in 445 TD2 legs.
marble cipher
410 ring TD3 👋
proven breach
so 460 mchimba, maut trinket vita and dragonscale i tank 15ish keys and heroic raid can't make up my mind on which two to use
marble cipher
Haha, yeah, I always run ring Wq's, it payed off
coarse hollow
So even if my mastery was like 21% witch it was. It wouldn’t matter?
left hatch
vita and dragonscale
100%
mchimbas is garbage and maut is a really weak version of LSP
coarse hollow
Because I am 478 in bag just 470 equip
proven breach
yeah can't get lsp to drop for me
left hatch
at 15's you wouldnt run it anyway
proven breach
ty warrior is an alt tank and i love it just need to paly it more
left hatch
vita and scale are very stronk
and yeh will, your stat %'s are totally meaningless
all the stats are good, so if you end up with a higher mastery
its fine
(we just don't value mastery as much because we get a buttload from 3xBoM_
478 in bag compared to 470 equipped is a bit questionable, you should only really drop ilvl for Corruption, trinkets and rings
ionic fern
@coarse hollow won't matter.
You are running 3xBoM/1xDC/2xHoD(Clockwork,MS) right?
coarse hollow
Ima link my toon
ionic fern
👍
coarse hollow
left hatch
theres a lot to nitpick over
but you def don't have anywhere close to BiS
sporepods is
coarse hollow
I was messing with that
left hatch
all your Az pieces are 460....
coarse hollow
I normally use dragon scale
mortal brook
vitas great tho
coarse hollow
I don’t mythic raid
left hatch
vendor
you can gamble every other week
and the only trait worth ilvl is your first DC
coarse hollow
But can’t get heart of darkness
left hatch
so?
left hatch
heart of darkness isn't even the best trait lol
Clockwork Heart is better
yo'ure gemming and enchanting for verse
ionic fern
left hatch
regardless of key level or content haste is better
and you're keeping searing flames
which, ok if you have no other options thats fine but
still a feels bad
coarse hollow
Yea I have 475 wep
left hatch
yikes
weapon and shiled ilvl is better than basically everything
and Searing Breath is middle of the pack at best as a corruption
your essences are also eh
coarse hollow
So I need to equip highest Ilvl regardless?
left hatch
for weapon and shield 100000%
coarse hollow
I normally run conflict major
left hatch
thats also not the play lol
coarse hollow
What is
sick sentinel
Alexa play another one bites the dust
left hatch
if you dont need corruption resistance (which you don't with yoru current corruption) swap out Str for Sphere
left hatch
^ str's only strength is the 10 resistance
coarse hollow
So if I put on ilvl gear instead of what I have. My toon would feel way better you think?
left hatch
idk about feel way better, but if you fix your essence and enchants and swap to ilvl
you'll need a lot less EHRPS in keys
sick sentinel
Ilvl factors in minimally to how your char feels tbh but learning the class and playing it properly will make you feel much better
left hatch
haste is the only stat that'll make it 'feel' better
coarse hollow
EHRPS?
cosmic canyon
Does clockwork always procc the first 12 seconds of combat?
left hatch
external healing required per second
left hatch
basically what your healer needs to do to keep you alive
left hatch
get rekt nerd
❤️
it depends on the internal cd Keening
if its on like a boss pull in raid, yes
strong forum
Yes @cosmic canyon ,assuming the CD is off
left hatch
why its our BiS
coarse hollow
So even with let’s see.... 12 vers I would be fine in 21’s and twenty Taos’s?
strong forum
It's 60sec CD, and always procs on pull if it's ready
left hatch
yes
cosmic canyon
Ye
left hatch
crit is still a better stat defensively at that point
strong forum
I'm 3% vers and easily doing 21s/22s
left hatch
as is Haste
strong forum
No
cosmic canyon
On pull is also where most mobs is around and you take/deal the most damage. Ty
left hatch
there isn't a reachable cap
its at 100% for GCD (offensive soft cap) and i think.... 140% to have 100% uptime of SB
with last stand
coarse hollow
So trade out ilvl stuff with keeping my haste as high as possible. And socket and enchant everything haste?
left hatch
yes
strong forum
Yup
sick sentinel
You guys think I’ll get a Gw piece this week
left hatch
we can dream
left hatch
the world deserves a GW in your chest
sweet summit
I think you will
left hatch
thatd be nice, i wanna ditch my 445 belt with TD1
sick sentinel
Whoa yikes I’m just trying to replace a crit mastery belt at 475 lol
sick sentinel
Tbh I should quit complaining about corruption lmao I got a seal of questionable loyalties with a socket week 1 lul
And TD 2
coarse hollow
GW?
sick sentinel
Gushing wound
coarse hollow
Oooooo
left hatch
meh i have enough for another 3 TD's as resistance budget increases
but still i complain
sick sentinel
Give me back titanforging
left hatch
nu
sick sentinel
I demand
left hatch
warforging ok
amber siren
🗞️
left hatch
not titanforging tho
sick sentinel
Better system than corruption imo
Though corruption is infinitely more fun
However nothing was more triggering than seeing raid finder titanforged
So I retract my statement
left hatch
i wo'nt mind going back to a definitive BiS again
amber siren
yeah im eager to finally have a BiS list, continually searching for better and better gear is sorta exhausting
sick spindle
Guys, I got a question I can't google my answer into. If you buy a random Azerite piece from the Titan Residuum vendor, can it be a raid piece as well?
north axle
is Void Ritual a good corruption?
left hatch
its only M+ pieces
north axle
just got a item, thinking of removing
left hatch
VR is pretty good
no TD but
top 3 for ST
top... 5ish for Aoe
oh wait
im drunk
im thinking EV
Void Ritual still pretty ok
north axle
left hatch
good uptime, high amount of stats
amber siren
you can check what pieces you can get from the vendor and what traits just by checking what pieces you can buy selectively @ 20k
north axle
look at my stats btw
amber siren
it'll random any of those from the slot
north axle
i am tanking mythic pretty good but, got some doubts about the stats
amber siren
stats look fine
sick spindle
@amber siren Thanks mate
left hatch
again. stats %'s are meaningless
north axle
what about that 5 stacks of crit corruption?
sick spindle
I'm a dumbass because I had this 480 piece and was like "what the fuck heroic nzoth is 470 and mythic nzoth is 485 so it must be TR" but then I realised it was a Skitra piece and I need more coffee
north axle
i have it on my gloves
left hatch
in your case with corruptions id sim myself
since the defensive difference is negligible
left hatch
get the simc addon, in game type ./simc and copy the text
go to Raidbots -> Top gear and select all the pieces you wanna compare
At the top theres a slider for the max corruption you feel comfortable with
at the bottom theres options for a type of sim
ideally run 3 sims
Patchwerk 1 target 3 minutes w/ bloodlust on
Patchwerk 3 targets 1m 30s no bloodlust
Patchwerk 5 targets 1m30s no bloodlust
or w/e # of targets closely approximates how you pull
1,3,5 is jsut a standard go-to
north axle
nice, going to do that right away
craggy sage
rank 3 strength is 45 sparks right?
left hatch
i believe so
craggy sage
im trying to combine and it says i already have it but i definitely do not have it i only have rank 2
left hatch
is your loot spec dps?
craggy sage
nope currently prot
left hatch
hmmm id try relogging ig, seems like its trying to make the DPS essence
mortal brook
is the item already in inventory?
left hatch
yeahp
mortal brook
gotem
left hatch
was trying to make the fury one lul
craggy sage
haha derp
pale talon
Boys can somebody explain why all prots are using memory of lucid dreams for this week ?
mortal brook
push week bro
left hatch
2nd pin
still pagoda
not all prots
left hatch
^ and also by "all prots" do you mean why prots pushing like 25/26 keys are using it
or is "all prots" the 4heads doing like 15's and using it because they saw nerfclap do it
strong forum
I saw fem use Cof major in siege 26 yesterday, is cof meta now 👀
still pagoda
left hatch
i don't know how you lived through the leech pandemic
eager socket
At what key level does lucid dreams start to pull ahead of vision as your major
marble cipher
high, very high
left hatch
23ish, if and only if you know how to use it
strong forum
^ but also comes down to your comp. I'm running with rsham and I'm now playing conflict/lucid on my 21/22s for fun
left hatch
yeh if you wanna try playing around with it, you can have some fun MDI pulling in like 17's and get used the IP spam and working around your dps's cds
but that also doesn't mean its better than VoP
strong forum
Definitely
left hatch
still fun tho
wise moon
Hello guys, new prot warr here. Which essence and what order do you use in 10-15 keys?
left hatch
VoP Major
for Minors CnS>Lucid>Sphere>Aegis in that order
Str of hte warden if you need resistance
wise moon
Thank you. How about Anima, isn't that good?
strong forum
Anima is worse than not running an essence at all
wise moon
Im using it as Major now 😮
mortal brook
dont do that
wise moon
Changing it as we speak
strong forum
Thing about anima is, if you drop below 35% you lose the HP buff. If you drop below 40k instantly, it will kill you instead of being left at 40k cuz you lose the HP buff ontop of it
main vault
No you
left hatch
and it also does less damage than VoP major
so
its not even worth from an offensive standpoint
wise moon
Looks like I've got some farming to do then. Thank you guys
left hatch
Don't buy VoP from the vendor, just spam heroic Workshop and bingo
can get it in a few hours
save the currency to buy time gated annoying essences like CnS and Lucid
(assuming this is an alt)
still pagoda
^
can get it in a few hours
@left hatch
In 2 if you spam +2's
which are easily accessible with even the lowest ilvl
left hatch
yeh for rank 3 that might be faster
since 2's have a guerenteed drop and heroic is a chance
still pagoda
so far... Horde seems like a total war crimes simulator
amber siren
fallow tusk
No u
wise moon
I'll get VoP rank 3 today, just need the 4 Workshop runs. Will get CoS rank 3 on reset day and the rest I need to farm
Do I take str instead of Aegis if I need resistance?
strong forum
Yes
smoky wave
So if you're avoiding pvp for MH reasons, it's aegis, str and lucid minors?
smoky wave
Cool, will check what my wife runs.
Thanks. I'm one bg win off sphere 1 (which will do right?) just can't bring myself to do it.
strong forum
Sphere R1 will do just fine
left hatch
Its a consistently stronger option than aegis so whats 15 mins of suffering through it
smoky wave
Eurgh, ta
sleek wing
sphere r1 is stronger than r3 aegis?
strong forum
Pretty much
sleek wing
for m+ too?
bg and 1 normal bg
sleek wing
lol
stiff oracle
have fun in asshran
still pagoda
normal bg's can be farmed up to r3 sphere if you want
daily win brings about 800-1000 honor and all others around 500
assuming Alliance KTA or mercenary buff
sweet summit
Merc doesnt help anymore
strong forum
Only helps with winning 👌
sweet summit
Still a coinflip xd
strong forum
Na, 5head people play merc, thus you have higher chance of getting the better players
sweet summit
strong forum
There's oh so many that don't even know about merc
sweet summit
Thats true
south spruce
Is the briny barnacle a decent trinket for warriors?
strong forum
It's good for ST, falls short in aoe situations
solid sparrow
Hello all! Tried a couple new combos on gear 33/18 haste/versa and its roughly took me away around 5% less damage overall (the other combo had 35/11). Lost around 2.4k Dps on AD15 which i think its not that relevant. What your guys think? Shall i keep stacking haste/versa? Also play with high versa rings and Rezan/Vita trinkets
M+ 15 and onwards
strong forum
Stop worrying about vers, comparing 2 dungeons has waaaaaaaaay more factors than only you stats
still pagoda
don't stack verse
strong forum
Vers is irrelevant until 24/25+
still pagoda
or raids
strong forum
And even then it doesn't matter much
Eh raid is w/e imo
At this point you outgear raid
solid sparrow
So haste/crit for the range of 15-18s lets say?
strong forum
Just stack the shit out of haste
Haste / crit is better for 0-22/23
And even then it'll be great even higher
solid sparrow
And about trinkets? Used to combo Vita/Warding HC but do think Rezan/Vita is way better
solid sparrow
Rezan droped this week
strong forum
Warding is a garbage trinket aswell, the only choice you have is double haste or vita/scale + nzoth trinket
solid sparrow
I hardly raid so the double haste is the way to go. Also, from what you guys i shall switch versa accords on rings for haste Inês?
haste ones?
strong forum
You always wanna wear haste rings
Haste / crit or haste / vers, both work just fine
With crit being a bit better in regular keys
And more dps obv
still pagoda
I hardly raid so the double haste is the way to go. Also, from what you guys i shall switch versa accords on rings for haste Inês?
@solid sparrow
double haste trinks are an actually good choice for first few bosses of mythic
you won't take much damage up until doggo boss
then yea, LPS is taking over
solid sparrow
Sadly dont have the guild ir even the time to raid M and pugging is a pain excepts maybe Wrath
still pagoda
i'm in a really-really casual 3/12M guild on my native alliance hub of Gordunni-EU and will soon abandon the ally ship and search for guild on Kazzak-EU horde side
pugging M+ can be a pain if you're doing lower keys
but hey, you can abuse the shit out of your own key
simple dune
hello fellow warriors, I got a huge question about Shadow of Zul in King's Rest, I just wiped on him +18 doing 80k hps, with my healer rolling 130k (making it 210k combined) how do you guys tackle this problem? Is shield block even relevant since he strikes with magic damage?
still pagoda
just need to be extremely picky with DPS peeps
hello fellow warriors, I got a huge question about Shadow of Zul in King's Rest, I just wiped on him +18 doing 80k hps, with my healer rolling 130k (making it 210k combined) how do you guys tackle this problem? Is shield block even relevant since he strikes with magic damage?
@simple dune
chain CD's and spam IP
and pray for DPS to not be idiots
strong forum
Kill him faster
still pagoda
^
simple dune
thanks for suggestions guys, how about shield block part here?
still pagoda
lust on zul is unironically a great idea
solid sparrow
@still pagoda Yes, and in weeks like this you have everyone on the queues...smashing 15s can be way harder if you slack on making the group
still pagoda
@still pagoda Yes, and in weeks like this you have everyone on the queues...smashing 15s can be way harder if you slack on making the group
@solid sparrow
I've bumped 500 rio this week just by doing my own key
strong forum
Yup
still pagoda
easy rio if you know how to play your class
and is picky with DPS and healers
rio and the highest key done matter the most
in fact, the highest key done is the best metric
solid sparrow
@still pagoda I raízed around 200 by doing the same but got some shity groups cause of DPS only caring for meters 😂
still pagoda
be even more picky
i usually wait for 2k+ rio DPS since i'm cycling my own +16-18
well, planning to push to +18 and +19 today
solid sparrow
I understand but as i mainly Pug finding a suitable healer is sometimes harder
than finding DPS
still pagoda
since i was slacking off, doing dailies and leveling up my new monk on Kazzak-EU as part of my horde move plan
solid sparrow
Kazzak is a good move for Horde...Draenor alao
still pagoda
ik
anyway i'm moving over from second biggest EU ally hub to the second biggest EU horde hub
still pagoda
"Horde's Own Silvermoon"
main vault
Draenor reminded me a lot of Sargeras-US
crystal seal
Recently started playing my prot warrior in keys other than the weekly 15. Any advice for dealing with zul in the +20 range.
crystal seal
Thanks
strong forum
Even towellul went horde
sweet summit
@autumn pendant come over, we have uhhh...
still pagoda
Even more people switching to horde
@autumn pendant
I don't want to say that, but having to choose between bruteforce type prog guilds and nothing on ally is kind of not a choice
horde has much more 2-3 raid night guilds rn
which is ideal for me
still pagoda
- everything is CEST and only 1 hour behind my time
autumn pendant
this is getting sad
still pagoda
- amount of people in M+ lfg
sweet summit
Belf>>nelf
sick sentinel
Hey guys, im new to tanking in prot, I believe I got the spec rotation down and all, just need experience with M+ pathings and decisions. Is there anything that can help me visually with that? MDT is a bit confusing
autumn pendant
but that doesnt help it
sick sentinel
Or do i gotta watch vids
sweet summit
Ye i agree
sick sentinel
Yeah Ive seen those and copied them into my MDT, just don’t really know what I’m looking at lmao
Is it just learning pathings from mostly youtube such as nerftank and experience or yall use something else to help out?
sweet summit
You gotta get used to the dungeons first, then you start recognizing the mobs from the dungeon in MDT
smoky wave
@sick sentinel been in the same boat. I just put some effort into the mdt and raider.io stuff and, when possible, ran it with friends on voice who'd done dungeons with higher tanks so they'd seen the route. That makes a big difference if you've got someone experienced.
autumn pendant
Gotta also learn what hurts more and what hurts less
And that will come with expeirence
and running keys
smoky wave
Nothing really beats time though sadly. Just run lots of keys.
sick sentinel
Gotcha so its just mostly experience then okay
sweet summit
Like 90% of tanking is just experience
sick sentinel
Is shadow of zul skippable by the way if we clear other trash? He was melting me down in a 16 the other day, even with all cds chaining and outhealing the heals.
sweet summit
N8o
sweet summit
He was, but they fixed it
strong forum
Zul is the worst mob in all of bfa, never fixed, forever OP
Well sorn is also terrible and literally undoable on high keys, but him you can atleast skip easily
sweet summit
Highest KR is a 25? 26?
strong forum
I think 25
sweet summit
Yikes
strong forum
Yup 25
sweet summit
Andy or nerf?
strong forum
Fem, Andy, Nerf, Naowh
sick sentinel
Also, wanted to ask if my essence choices are okay. Im rocking vision major, memory minor / conflict minor / strength minor
sweet summit
Of they all have 25
strong forum
Alot of people
strong forum
Ye those essences are the go-to
sick sentinel
Alright cus some tank told me memory is weak
strong forum
He's stupid then
sick sentinel
If the dungeon has heavy magic, which one do i choose to swap out for dyanmo? Strength?
Or do we not do that
sweet summit
If you dont need the CR, dont run strength
Id swap lucid in this case, if you need the CR
autumn pendant
@strong forum sorn?
sick sentinel
Alright, so I’ll stock with my current choices then for M+
sweet summit
You can play null in wcm, tos, tyrann ml and tyrann ws
sick sentinel
And for everything else mine is pretty general?