it takes only 2 hours to get full VoP
#protection
still pagoda
still pagoda
i didn't buy any essences for echoes so far
warm plinth
I think that'd be funny because the folks who bought all the essences on their mains haven't been getting echoes this entire time lol
So they won't be able to buy corruption if that's the case (without doing content first)
main vault
yeah
Even at this point though, youd have bought all the essences and have extra echoes
warm plinth
Meanwhile my main has like 5k echoes because I still haven't bought them all
main vault
yeah'
warm plinth
Yeah but my point is you don't get echoes if you've bought all the essences
They stop dropping
main vault
oh didnt know that
warm plinth
So would kinda suck for the completionists who have them all already
But echoes are pretty free to farm anyway so it still wouldn't be bad
warm plinth
Yeah kinda how they did with the legion lego upgrade things
withering essence then writhing essence
gritty hare
does prot have snap aggro abilities? if yes or no how the fuck can i take aggro asap
brisk ferry
Thunder clap
gritty hare
@brisk ferry is it a snap aggro ability or should i hit it atleast 2 times
gritty hare
@main vault is it a snap aggro or should i use it at least 2 times
main vault
you should be using it on CD anyways
Idk what you mean by snap aggro
All tanks have some "snap" ability
Its AoE
gritty hare
am i going to get all the aggro instantly after using it once?
gritty hare
ty
crisp fractal
its not an AOE Taunt no ... you need to overaggro the DDs and singletarget Spot the ones that gets loose
blazing current
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=273445/sword-and-board
I suppose this is not added azerite power. had somebody seen this before>
?
main vault
datamining at its finest
blazing current
this talent is overpowered AF. +1300 str on 460 ilvl
main vault
Not everything datamined makes it into the game
still pagoda
this talent is overpowered AF. +1300 str on 460 ilvl
@blazing current
It didn't make it to the game
and if it had, it would be dropped to ~250str
main vault
Thats was originally one of the first Az powers shown for Prot
main vault
Last super early
still pagoda
got beta back then
main vault
April/May of Beta
still pagoda
ye
i've got into it around that time tho
like. Wrote few bug reports, checked out the looks and gameplay of arms and so on
crisp slate
blazing current
temple of tempest (if it right)
sweet summit
ToS, WCM, tyrann ML, tyrann WS
silver condor
is there any decent way to sim or figure out ilv vs corruptions?
sweet summit
you can sim for dps, yeah
silver condor
should i be prioritizing ilv or corruptions?
silver condor
okay
still pagoda
tanked maut today. Honestly, a good thing to have another logged tank kill for when i will move over to horde on another server
sweet summit
cleanse it monkaS
split breach
hi guys, not exactly question about mechanics or stats, but: do i need to equip artifact wep or xmog it to daily check for secret artifact appearance of protwar?
or is it enough just running the macro
still pagoda
cleanse it monkaS
@sweet summit
Already did
sweet summit
amber siren
@split breach just running the macro is fine
wicked orchid
Hey, is echoing void good for Prot?
amber siren
it's average, loses to TD in pretty much every scenario
wicked orchid
So if I don't have TD should I take echoing voids?
amber siren
if that's the best damage corruption you have, sure
wicked orchid
Ok, I'll see what I have and figure it out, thanks!
oblique sandal
how good is torment in a jar for m+?
unkempt palm
Haven’t been on here quite a while but curious if there’s a section that covers SL changes and the thoughts of this discord?
Never mind found it
main vault
...
ancient reef
whats that addon name that trackers group timers i see in peoples streams
chrome palm
jes howler, worthless?
still pagoda
better than most dungeon trinkets. According to our residentsleeper @ionic fern
At least this is written in your guide on Icy Veins)
still pagoda
Rezan and vial are definitely the best dungeon trinkets you can get
though nothing beats out double haste procs
chrome palm
so vita/rezan
chrome palm
what's scale?
still pagoda
Wrathion trinket
chrome palm
ah
still pagoda
Humming Black Dragonscale
chrome palm
never knew that was useful
daring marlin
chrome palm
hey we're super close in io
still pagoda
it has awfully huge RPPM @chrome palm
ionic fern
Jes is solid je but Rezan/Gore are better for m+.
chrome palm
your ui is broken
still pagoda
that's good too
chrome palm
all the words are messed up
still pagoda
all the words are messed up
@chrome palm
Russian
main vault
well thats rude
grand drum
At what key level should I start using shell over double haste trinkets?
sick sentinel
When you absolutely need it every 1 minute to survive
main vault
If you have to ask, you dont
sick sentinel
Can be nice in magic heavy dungeons when your dps are trolling
upper violet
modern brook
IDK if ur failing keys cause ur dps isnt kicking; finding better dps is a better solution imo.
theirs like no point bandaid-ing fixable/avoidable damage
final mist
DPS are always dumb tho
modern brook
100%
strong forum
can confirm
modern brook
i am a dps :^)
final mist
Can’t trust DPS, just do it yourself tbh
still pagoda
asking local EU horde bois. Draenor, Kazzak or TN?
still pagoda
since i'm gonna move over my warrior to EU horde in early June
modern brook
(note thats a joke)
still pagoda
IDK if ur failing keys cause ur dps isnt kicking; finding better dps is a better solution imo.
@modern brook
When i started using my key and being extremely picky with DPS, keys started rolling
Crushed beneath the tracks of interrupts and big pulls
modern brook
yeah
still pagoda
upped 500 rio this week just like this
modern brook
good dps are a fucking DREAM dude
main vault
Ive played on all 3, and preferred TN and Kazzak
I cant tell you why, but thinking back I have memories of my time on both, and not of Draenor
still pagoda
what i see right away is the amount of guild recruitment threads on TN and Kazzak forum branches. It's a night and day compared to my native Gordunni
I cant tell you why, but thinking back I have memories of my time on both, and not of Draenor
@main vault
?
main vault
Im saying idk why I prefer those
still pagoda
ah
main vault
But I have memories of those two and not dreanor
Tarren Mill is great too
TN is probably different now that Method left
and is the only one of the 4 without a top 10 guild
still pagoda
kek
like. Here on Russian language cluster we have only 2 popular horde(Soulflayer and Howling Fjord) and 1 ally(Gordunni) servers
but even then you don't really see much activity on Gordunni now
and SF&HF... I'm really set on moving to English speaking realms, so nah
i think i'm going to level up my new chars on Kazzak rn and move over warr somewhere in June
thank you for advice)
main vault
Yeah with xp I would level anything you don’t have much investment in
still pagoda
well. I'm going to level up monk and pala here first&foremost
with having "big" rio on my main... Gearing up monk and getting into raiding here won't be a problem
rough quartz
is there an acceptable replacement for conflict and strife bc i rly dont want to pvp
main vault
Define acceptable
rough quartz
ugh
still pagoda
Also arena with friends is fun
main vault
There is nothing as strong no
strong forum
Grats to 360 io total
main vault
Yikes
still pagoda
got like 350 score today
got 500 rio in those days since Wednesday
strong forum
Jealous
main vault
you could talk in chat then
sweet summit
can i not talk? :(
strong forum
Only when you've done high keys (+12)
strong forum
I've done 17s in 8.0, don't @ me 😏
sweet summit
a weekly no leaver key?
chilly brook
lol
strong forum
No, that was the depleted +16 we did last week :kekw:
undone sun
hmmm
sweet summit
where are all these rules comming from :((
sweet summit
dang
sweet summit
the one after 2nd boss?
orchid frigate
yepp
sweet summit
RIP
orchid frigate
tried to clear some and have the rogue trigger next obelisk but he couldnt 😦
gonan go TD now
lets hope this rogue knows how to do the cannons
mortal brook
bless
high nacelle
hey guys what % versatility is a must for a tank 470+
sweet summit
0
high nacelle
0?
high nacelle
really?
high nacelle
im socketing vers lol
sweet summit
you should be gemming and enchanting haste
high nacelle
but i will be more squishy then
sweet summit
no
more haste=more rage=more CDs
and more SB uptime
1% of vers is 0.5% DR
thats not a lot at all
high nacelle
which trinkets do u use?
sweet summit
vita+rezan
main vault
I ❤️ this channel
frigid rock
no shell trinket from nztoh, keep urchin or use kr bandage trinket? 20+ keys thoughts?
main vault
Its always a good sources for meming
high nacelle
it works in raids aswell with 0 vers?
sweet summit
yes
main vault
Yes
sweet summit
tank damage is a joke
main vault
Vers is only for super high keys
frigid rock
i havent got shell yet but i time 21 key without shell. now debating going for the trinket :/
high nacelle
where do i get rezan trinket
main vault
from rezan
high nacelle
alright thanks mate im going full haste i guess xD
sweet summit
high nacelle
btw which corruptions do u use
high nacelle
hehe
high nacelle
azerite traits?
still pagoda
having IT1 is good
main vault
need to make a pepe with TD in its eyes
sweet summit
something like this
still pagoda
or like this if you're poor or have only started
sweet summit
xD
still pagoda
xD
sweet summit
prot is a dps 
sweet summit
yeah
frigid rock
everyone wants a prot tank in the m+ run xD
sweet summit
just get a 2nd set 4head
main vault
only been playing war again for like 2 weeks
still pagoda
just get a 2nd set 4head
And then 3rd for PvP, and then 4th for something else
i already have 3 sets
main vault
naw i dont pbvp
still pagoda
plan of moving over to Kazzak has started. Time to level up chars and get other stuff
sweet summit
belf pog
sweet summit
cant be a belf as ally, its ok
sweet summit
🏃♂️
undone sun
upper oar
Hey guys .. i have a big aggro problem as Prot warrior vs people who procc 30% twilight devestation in the opener i cant get aggro of them if my twilight doest procc i try going for avatar before pack clap demo clap and i still ahve no chance
still pagoda
just stun that shit and go on with TC spam
upper oar
if mobs cant be stunned for xample kingsrest gauntlet room
main vault
make sure you have Avatar up and TC spam
still pagoda
if mobs cant be stunned for xample kingsrest gauntlet room
Half of gauntlet mobs can be stunned tho
only the big ones are resistant
red hemlock
hey guys i have a question. which one do you think should I use? 460 vita or 475 humming
still pagoda
^
main vault
defensive trinket tho
red hemlock
but i need it 😄 i dont have nzoth trinket
sweet summit
a mediocre absorb on a 2 minute CD
upper oar
youre a psycho if you pug shrines and dont use maut trinket
main vault
wut
sweet summit
imean just LoS
upper oar
casts literally doing 60% of my hp if they get through
main vault
not knowing basic tank mechanics is more psycho tho...
red hemlock
ill try both haste trinkets
main vault
you can los alot of casts in shrine, if pugs are that bad
still pagoda
casts literally doing 60% of my hp if they get through
@upper oar
That's a problem for DPS guys tho
Interrupt blyat
main vault
and IP and SR and Demo and SW should cover all the "scary" ones
Unless you are pugging like 20-22s
sweet summit
shrine is really bad if you miss kicks
upper oar
literally talking about shrine 21
main vault
I greatly dislike shrine
sweet summit
but there are plenty on LoS spots you can use
upper oar
same bro
sweet summit
same, such a long and boring dungeon
main vault
Even though apparently it’s one of the most timeable
upper oar
imagine wiping once and having to run back 2 mins 🙂 bloozerd
main vault
There isn’t any part of its that is that long of a run
upper oar
if you dont unlock the skip im pretty sure its even more
sweet summit
if you wipe on 3rd boss
main vault
If pugging is prolly clear the RP spot every time
sweet summit
thats a long run
upper oar
^
main vault
Prolly worst run in the game
still pagoda
fucking kings rest
die KR die [2]
orchid frigate
what a fiesta
ofc rogue didnt open shortcuts and didnt know the cannons
after a while he did a cannon but without tricksing me
amber siren
sleek basin
faralos with corruption is trash right?
sick sentinel
has anyone messed around with formless major in lower keys to fck around with even more dps
never considered it until now lol
sleek basin
i think vision of perfection gives u more output damage overall
still pagoda
faralos with corruption is trash right?
Nearly all raid corruptions are trash
sick sentinel
475 is big
worthy spire
what are the basics
sick sentinel
look up a guide
sick sentinel
Vision, cns, sphere, lucid
formless
warden
Also all covered in the icy veins guide
nice golden time pic @sleek basin
mortal brook
@sleek basin 15 ilvl is huge on a weapon, even without secondaries. the secondaries arent the important part. as far as damage, splitter will outdps any equal 475 up to several targets as well
sick sentinel
Splitter with TD3 when
sleek basin
i see, thx alot for the info guys
mossy crypt
Guys i feel like i get too much dmg on 18+ keys.. Might this be just cuz i run full TD ? Will more Vers make it easier? Cant find anything i am doing wrong in my "rotation"
main vault
At 18s its probably a play issue
mossy crypt
I got like 35% haste, hitting my defensives whenever i can ..
enough rage for some absorb shields
Just 9% vers tho
cursive hedge
can someone recommend me the best prot trinkets from mythic plus? I know Rezan's Eye is one, but is there another great one?
sick sentinel
gorecrusted
cursive hedge
that's good for the parry that crit gives you?
main vault
its good for the dmg it gives you
potent anvil
I lived a 24 Zul
still pagoda
undone sun
mossy crypt
When to run Vop Major & when to run Lucid major? Any1 can tell ?
mossy crypt
Okay. Ty
cursive hedge
got it, so rezan and gorecrusted are the best M+ trinkets
amber siren
left hatch
at 18's verse is def not the answer for having such a high damage intake
at best you're gonna get an extra... what 11% withotu going completely overboard
which comes out to ~5% damage reduction
that won't change anything
Haste and Crit will still increase your survivability more in 90% of circumstances
and Verse corruption stacking over TD is done to counter being 1-shot with perfect play
which just isn't happening in 18 keys
(and even then the ppl that are verse stacking in like 24's aren't going whole hog and dropping all their TD either)
35% haste (if thats with ITF stacked) is also kinda low
you should still be gemming/chanting for haste
and your stat prio is ilvl>Haste>crit
verse is flat out not a consideration
left hatch
corruptions just a whole nother ballgame
main vault
A guy in trade chat yelled at me, cause he was wtb vers3 corruption at like 1500 and I pst him and said not to waste his gold
So I almost cba anymore
left hatch
"but nerfclap used it in his 26 run"
cedar jolt
I get yelled at all the time for trying to help people 😦
left hatch
because you would use mythic strats for lfr bosses (:
clearly whats optimal right
sorry undergeared mythic progression strats*
for lfr reclears
main vault
Some try to tbh
I’ve pugged normal/hc and seen people say “this is how method did it”
amber siren
still pagoda
at best you're gonna get an extra... what 11% withotu going completely overboard
@left hatch
That one moment when this is exactly how much i run rn
but due to me being "lucky" on haste/verse pieces
still pagoda
yea
left hatch
is abysmal
left hatch
^
still pagoda
parry chance and more damage scale better
mighty ruin
getting pretty bored of dpsing and was going to try giving tanking a chance, is there a certain dungeon that drops a super good shield or do the stats not matter as much
mighty ruin
cool, ty, will start rolling prot when i run those
still pagoda
Any shield will work
sullen drift
How can I mitigate the underrot tick explosions at the beginning of dungeon or avoid damage (aside from wall)
still pagoda
Those are just better when comparing same ilvl @mighty ruin
Look at ilvl of shield first and foremost
And corruptions
mighty ruin
gotcha, i was going to just try to get any but was wondering if there were dungeons n particular to try for
still pagoda
ML is also easy this week
mighty ruin
ya, was going to spam keys tmrw so a lot of ML on tap i guess
main vault
You can get a great weapon and shield from AD
main vault
It’s probably where I would start tbh
still pagoda
That is around the same performance as similar ilvl humming
main vault
Has good gear
glass finch
Alright, I need help officially. How the fuck do u kill Aleria?
Alleria, as some call her.
amber siren
Kick the bombs out of the middle, use lust if you're struggling, CoF can help a lot for ST dps
simple dune
limpid pawn
If you’re soloing, make sure you know how to do single target DPS properly
Crucible major, maybe devastator
Use drums and unbridled fury if you aren’t poor
dawn steeple
Anyone know what the strat is for using CoF as a major in M+? How best to use it, etc. Finding it hard to find resources on this
mortal brook
generally we dont use it in m+, but if you are, if its paired with formless minor, separate casts enough to keep formless rolling.
if you're not worried about formless, you can pandemic the cast to a higher cof stack. dont pandemic to a lower stack tho
dawn steeple
I'm confused, CoF gives Thunderstruck which allows Thunder Clap to root targets in place for 2 (or 1?) seconds. What do you mean by Pandemic and CoF stacks?
hidden plaza
CnS
mortal brook
You mean Conflict and Strife?
amber siren
conflict and strife gives you a PVP talent, CoF is crucible of flame
dawn steeple
brain fart
mortal brook
ah, yeah, if you run it, dont use any slows like sphere minor. any 30% slow overrides the root
if there's like, a frostmage in group, the root is ded ded lol
dawn steeple
Mmm I see, seems like a very niche thing
mortal brook
very
dawn steeple
is it preferrable only as a minor?
mortal brook
it is the best minor
dawn steeple
just figuring out whether i should farm the pvp to get it or not
Ahh I see okay
huge vers hmm
thanks for the pointers
dark marsh
hey guys i am getting into tanking m+ atm with my warrior but am struggling with survival i got 464 and get destroyed in keys 15 and +. Do you have some advice for me? should i look for haste gear or more vers gear? should i hope for TD corruption or do i want %Vers like many tanks who go high keys?
mortal brook
at that level its more about execution. both of proper rotational execution and playing the encounter my dude. that'll impact far more than any secondary swap. and you stay with TD and haste until ultrahighs (24+ where you get one shot without the vers, even with perfect execution)
if you log dungeons and post here, we can give much better feedback
limpid summit
is bursting snapshotting ? meaning if in theory the group would be at 100% with 5 stacks of bursting and i would use commanding shout after 1 tick the group would survive ? or does it scale with the hp increase ?
hallow phoenix
Worst shield in the game but worth using if it's your highest ilvl
outer sphinx
thank you,. no got better just asking never seen it before
strange tide
Thanks for all the tips/advice/pins but mostly to fortified, bursting & volcanic
merry cave
Any tips for tanking void ascendant on mythic?
sweet summit
Get healers to dispell you
jaunty sentinel
Hey guys 🙂 Wanted to ask what is the best haste to have around atm as prot ? Thanks!
mortal brook
the highest haste you can, without giving up ilvl
crimson hatch
I have two items with Echoing Void, on rank 3 and 2, do you think it's somehoew good option for prot war since I dont have anything special like haste or twilight?
sick sentinel
Hey, I just started tanking keys higher than 10. My ilvl is about 465, but propably not tuned optimal. Futhermore it feels like every hit in higher keys isknocking me off. Most likely My rotation is not played well...most of the time the bosses arent a big problem, but the trash is. Is there any advise on my gear to improve? I dont have a raid option actually higher than lfr/ sometimes nhc. Should i go vor about 20% versa? Thank you.
https://worldofwarcraft.com/de-de/character/eu/durotan/krash
crimson hatch
@sick sentinel i have different problem, good wirh trash, bad with bosses hahah
sweet summit
ilvl>haste>crit for m+
vers isnt a thing to stack before the world first level keys
sick sentinel
I already read about... another prot warri toldme i should go for 15-20% versa at first and than go for ilvl>haste>crit
sweet summit
thats wrong
sick sentinel
k, ty for that advise. Do you have any advise for my gear setup to improve? Espacially the key range im tanking? And should i go for any trinket in the lfr raid content or are they too low in lfr to help me somehow
sweet summit
just try to get higher ilvl gear overall. block and rezan trinkets from waycrest and atal are very good
gusty bear
Ran a 16 last night and wasn’t close to timing it. My first time above 13. My healer said I face tank too much. Can I get a little guidance on what they meant and ways to improve?
strange tide
He probably means your tanking without any mitigation up, if you don’t have Shield Block, Last stand (with bolster) or Shield Wall kite until one of them is available. Well, that’s what I do, I could be wrong
soft prairie
any tips for Carapace mythic? we're starting progress there later today
main vault
@gusty bear warriors are fine face tanking, that’s the strength. You shouldn’t have to kite until into the 20s easily
@strange tide face tanking means not kiting
gusty bear
hmm ok then maybe its to do with my gear, im 467? maybe I should push that a little higher first?
brittle owl
no
you gear has very little to do with completing keys
with that gear you're fine above 20 even
gusty bear
ok thanks, ill practice some more then, first ever patch tanking so im still learning a lot!
still pagoda
Death in fire 
strong forum
And then you fight 2 peacekeepers in ML 20+ and get globalled by charged claw
sweet summit
spice
compact hinge
How good are the bracers from workshop?
sweet summit
decent ish damage
still pagoda
left hatch
you're gonna have like... negative haste following that
holy shit thats terrible advice
still pagoda
^ Especially on carapace
left hatch
@gusty bear yeh theres no real reason to kite in 15's esp with your item level.
Just focus on keeping your blocked attacks % as high as possible by making sure you have SB up as often as you can and not overlapping it with Last Stand
theres a few tricks you can do as well to help your healer in the inevitable downtime like Spacing SB a second or so apart so the gaps where you really get whacked are smaller and spaced more regularly instead of being in bigger chunks
or Shockwaving when you know itll be down to buy a few seconds of free recharge
also don't fall into the pitfall a LOT of new prots do of thinking Ignore Pain our main source of mitigation or more important than SB
(iv seen some 4head healers saying that uptime on IP matters. it doesn't. full stop.)
IP is just a rage dump to smooth out damage
(exceptions to this being Shadow of Zul in Kings rest and last 2 bosses of Motherload, which are almost exclusively unlockable magic damage and IP spam is the way to go)
gusty bear
yeah im good on boss fights; its the trash packs that I have the hardest time with
gusty bear
ok ill have to work on it then, thanks!
left hatch
oh
another pitfall you might be having
Avatar and Demo shout arn't really cooldowns
or rather arn't used as such
they're a part of your core rotation and 99% of hte time used as they come off cd
partially because their cd is so low anyway due to anger management and partly because they gen a fuckload of rage which is the core of our meta build rn
so don't sit on them for 'the next pull' or 'a scarier pack'
cause you'll have both up anyway in less than a minute (:
gusty bear
got it
sick sentinel
whats a good mythic dungeon to run this week with not much CC
like, so i'm not getting CC'd
left hatch
uhh offhand i don't think any of the keys have unavoidable CC
left hatch
if you got stunned in siege you messed up
the guys on the horse will target a range and charge to them, which you can sidestep
the monkey bananas you just don't step on
sick sentinel
yeah i did, some groups just dumb as box of rocks
left hatch
ah so its your group that are messing up
sick sentinel
bit of both really
left hatch
freehold is fairly light on effects like that
just need to interrupt the oarsman and again sidestep a charge (but theres only like 1 or 2 of those mobs on most routes anyway)
ig the closest you could get to completly idiot proof no cc route is Atal
since you can control and get every interrupt on the fear dactyls
oblique garnet
Waycrest doesnt have any stuns except if you get unlucky witch
left hatch
don't one of hte hunter traps root
oblique garnet
Oh yeah but with this season affixes you hardly ever play that door
left hatch
yeh, just trying to rack my brain for like an "easy" key for pugs that can't handle volcanic
since that seems the boat hes in haha
heck even temple has a nasty stun if your healer doesn't dispel the sleepy shot
oblique garnet
Uhh freehold i guess then theres nothing else to avoid but volcanic
left hatch
honestly volcanic is just a free affix in general
i really had to sit here and think about what mobs have loss of control effects
since its so rare shit isn't interrupted or just dodged outta muscle memory
peak grail
disc?
left hatch
that can get spicy on big pulls
oblique garnet
Yet we timed 24 siege yesterday
left hatch
oblique garnet
I was playing arms tho 
silent cargo
How important is it to stack Demo and Avatar? I'll wait a few seconds if one is slightly lagging behind, but otherwise I'm slamming them when they're ready and relying on down time for them to resync
oblique garnet
They dont need to be synced
left hatch
its more important to keep them rolling
oblique garnet
^
left hatch
DS has such a low cd its gonna get outta sync anyway with them
the only one you delay is Avatar, and ONLY IF you have a VoP proc already
silent cargo
Yeah that's what I was thinking
left hatch
which also causes more desyncing lol
still pagoda
top left or bust for wcm
@peak grail
All the other routes are fine as well
left hatch
i don't like bottom right
i seem to always get it on Sanguine week
and die a little bit inside
left hatch
door isn't weekly, its completely random
still pagoda
pulled whole hall and half of backyard so many times with TD
still pagoda
door isn't weekly, its completely random
Then i'm just lucky to get bottom right only
left hatch
cause why have consistency in a time trial based thing where you have to fish for the right key to do a retry
see also AD teeming (:
oblique garnet
Theres always something you can do in wcm now tho
You play the obelisk into courtyard if not top left
still pagoda
You play the obelisk into courtyard if not top left
@oblique garnet
I'm actually thinking of doing it like this now
peak grail
do you still need somone to pull 1 of the bosses to open the doors?
still pagoda
Just pull it straight into backyard, lust tree boss(or all trash in the backyard) and go to raal
oblique garnet
F
oblique garnet
Thats ok pull if you have coordinated group
still pagoda
i'm keying with pugs rn
still pagoda
don't have a group and won't try to find for now since i'm slowly moving over to Kazzak horde from Gordunni ally
left hatch
just need to remove faction barriers
still pagoda
not worth the time to try finding it on ally side since i'm moving over to horde
left hatch
Allies don't even have the furry crowd anymore now that Horde have vulpuri
left hatch
only thing alliance has going for them anymore ):
still pagoda
pretty much
left hatch
oh and 7 billion different horse mounts
smoky wave
Pfft. Looted the lasso. Actually wish I hadn't cos I've now gotta tra and catch the sod.
still pagoda
just float at it's spawn location and spam /tar /use macro
main vault
I just binned it cause I cba
smoky wave
Don't have time for that anymore 😢
sleek wing
is there something specific to do for Rezan's serrated bite?
left hatch
talk with your healer to cycle SW and externals
but its like.... 90% a healer mechanic
main vault
The bleed is the only scary bit
left hatch
^
main vault
You just cycle your CDs
left hatch
you don't even adjust rage spending tbh to prio IP
cause if you let SB drop off hes just gonna chomp you with melees and you'll die from that instead
sleek wing
awesome thanks yeah
just bad when pugging and heals and I are on differnet sides of the pillar during bleed
main vault
Pray
brisk sparrow
I am mostly running m+ right now, is Fusion Hacker worth the loss of stats?^^
brisk sparrow
yeah it is like 590 more simdps for me single target and 5ilvl higher than the rest of my weapons - was not sure if it is worth for m+ though^^
sweet summit
its worth it
brisk sparrow
thank you 🙂
worthy spire
Hey, is 445 gushing wounds boots worth using over 475 skitra boots (haste/mast) with rank 3 haste proc for m+
seems like i lose alot of stats
sweet summit
nah, gushing scales off of ilvl and 445 is pretty low
still pagoda
and haste proc is pretty decent
still pagoda
hehe. Move over to horde continues as planned
main vault
Such a good spec
sweet summit
chi burst 📈
chi wave 📉
still pagoda
HADOOOOOUKEN
i'm using chi wave for now because it allows me to snap additional mobs without stopping
main vault
didnt know anyone still use chi wave
sweet summit
afaik that row is like whatever for ST, but for aoe you always take chi burst for the extra chi
main vault
Eye of the Tiger I thought for ST
sweet summit
idk, still leveling my monk so i havent researched too much
still pagoda
same ^
hoary belfry
next pelican
coordinate cds is your best bet
dim owl
whats the second azzerite trait to go for on the engineer head as a prot warrior? for m+?
glad plume
Hi, is the corruption from Faralos, Empire's Dream worth keep it as prot or i have to remove it ? thx alot
glad plume
TD r3
sweet summit
can you use TD3 and searing flames?
sweet summit
TD>any other damage proc>stat procs>stat %s
so id use TD and wrathion weap if possible
sweet summit
strong forum
welcome to my wheelchair bonanza
sweet summit
xD
sweet summit
feral slaps
strong forum
cuz we dont discriminate here in <just> Kazzak-EU
still pagoda
cuz we dont discriminate here in <just> Kazzak-EU
@strong forum
Here on Russian servers we discriminate everyone equally... Except for people from Goldrinn-EU
strong forum
we dont discriminate classes / specs, only everything else and all your life choices
still pagoda
i'm leveling a monk as horde on Kazzak-EU. There is 5x more people in Orgri here than in SW on my "former" server
main vault
yeah
main vault
yeah im leveling on the largest ally us
worthy spire
Hey guys, is there any like PERFECT trait setup for m+? Atm i have 3x bastion 1x deafening and 2x brace for impact. Is this good or should i change something?
still pagoda
3xBoM, 1xDC, 2xHoD
main vault
^
still pagoda
but you're pretty close
worthy spire
Ooh alright, ican trade one brace in for HoD so that's good 🙂
and if i get the ilgynoth helmet i should get the seceond HoD with bastion, thanks! ❤️
smoky zenith
should you prioritise HoD over things like Iron Fortress?
main vault
Well if HoD is in the perfect trait setup, and IF isnt...
placid oar
Hi guys, can I ask about junkyard. Why do the MDI teams tank Trixie and Naeno at the corner behind where the bosses stand, won’t mega taze kill someone?
strong forum
first of all, in mdi they dont get mega taze
2nd of all, you can immune it, and if others get it they rush to the safe spot in middle
they tank them in the corner because you can completely avoid naenos bike mechanics
placid oar
Ah I see, I did not know that. Thank you Nomeratur!
strong forum
we did that in JY21 just now and killed the boss in less than 1 minute
so we only got 1 mega taze
strong forum
prolly method
placid oar
I thought mega taze would still hit in MDI heh. Never knew it till u mention
chilly brook
Nah it wasn't method
strong forum
na they kill it before
chilly brook
Lemme go back to the podcast that tettles and dratnos talked about this rq
main vault
i didnt see it til this weekend
When they pulled them with the trash into the water behind them
chilly brook
It was Self Reliance
strong forum
Herudra coming through
placid oar
So on live servers, it is actually pretty good to tank the bosses there after we clear the thrash?
placid oar
Ah I see, but if the dps does not have an immune. They pretty much may die from mega taze?
strong forum
no they run in the middle into the smoke cloud
theyre still there
just have to rush
sonic rock
Hey guys, any of you use elvui and dont mind sharing me your profiles? I kinda want one for prot but every template i see in wago.io is a bit wack for my own preference
Maybe i'm in the wrong channel and i apologize for that beforehand
sweet summit
what exactly are you looking for
sonic rock
Hmm something with a clear display on group/raid frames, and decent looking unit frames, the rest i can do it myself with my basic knowledge of the addon, but i suck at modifying elvui unit frames
median vine
Vision bis major right?
sweet summit
pretty much
median vine
Whats bis minor aegis?
sweet summit
CnS
sweet summit
aegis is fine then
median vine
I also have nullification do i run Vision Major Aegis + Nullification minor?
sweet summit
null isnt great in m+
main vault
Id only run Null in like, 2 dungeons maybe
median vine
Yes I plan on doing mythic + btw
I just got this girl to 120 so Ima pick up vision first then aegis
median vine
is lucid a good minor?
sweet summit
very good
warm plinth
Vision major, C&S/Lucid/Sphere (R1 is just fine)/Aegis/Formless Void/Strength of the Warden minors. Formless is really good if you have someone using CoF in your group especially; SotW if you don't have Formless and need the resistance.
sweet summit
what pinky said ^
median vine
ty ty
strong forum
pinky 👀
warm plinth
Yes, I am Pinky
strong forum
i know
tame garden
Pinky
brittle owl
speg's a cat now wtf
tame garden
onyx vessel
hmm didnt think about CoF
wouldnt if someone used breath major in m+
even better]
warm plinth
Yeah but I don't think anyone uses Breath major in M+
onyx vessel
ive seen it
brittle owl
yikes
main vault
I was gonna say, easier than VoP?
main vault
can do a 2 and get it too, but smaller chance
main vault
yeah its like 2 hours total though
sweet summit
🤷♀️
sweet summit
insert lack of brain from the guys playing it joke hahaha
onyx vessel
warm plinth
Yeah about 23-25% of my overall DPS is Twilight Devastation or Lash
(total between the two corruptions)
onyx vessel
dh main joins in
look at bear druid 70-75% is td
prot chillin at 25-30 split with tclap and td
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
warm plinth
Yeah, tanks definitely get a bigger chunk from it
But the 23-25% is on my DH which is havoc
That's TD3 and Lash2
On 460 unguents
warm plinth
I would imagine it stacks for prot wars more than anyone else
Since we stack haste more than any other tank
Er, it procs for prot wars I meant
Speaking of just tanks that is
onyx vessel
i guess
warm plinth
Yeah, so it probably procs less but it hits a lot harder
warm plinth
Right
Do you stack haste because of TD or that's just the normal stat prio after ilevel?
warm plinth
Gotcha
onyx vessel
bear mains
tame garden
🐻 👍
warm plinth
I haven't seen a guardian all expansion I don't think
sweet summit
tomoboar or whatever is pumping
main vault
Bear
sweet summit
sweet summit
confirmed
tame garden
Was rank3 but they had a big depleto day yesterday
warm plinth
I haven't even tried bear this expansion (mostly because I haven't really tanked at all)
sweet summit
onyx vessel
has comparable dps to prot
warm plinth
I played it in Legion but stopped once they took Mark of Ursoc away
tame garden
Yeah they killed it in 8.0
main vault
good memories playing bear
tame garden
still pagoda
warm plinth
Were the "recent" changes pretty game-changing or is corruption really what equalized it?
main vault
Bear was coming up way back in 8.1
tame garden
They've been buffed a couple times
We were fine since 8.1 yeah
Good since 8.2
And corruption now TD makes every tank pump
warm plinth
I love having a VDH tank but it fucking sucks sometimes when I get a TD proc on my first auto and they haven't gotten a proc yet lol
still pagoda
just like overdose of artifact power and stats made tanks pump back in 7.3.2
still pagoda
druid discord server?
main vault
guardian in particular, and feral
still pagoda
dead?
tame garden
Skyhold could be good but no global emotes
main vault
No its not dead
tame garden
😔
main vault
Just big brains in there
tame garden
Hes not as active anymore but still does turn up
main vault
I remember prepatch there were arguments with people over whether or not a base armor nerf was really a buff
Cause then you gained more from Armor procs
strong forum
main vault
And if you had more base armor, youd waste the procs
So lower base is a buff, to get more
still pagoda
Cause then you gained more from Armor procs
@main vault
Well, that's a nerf anyway
procs are nowhere as consistent as base armor
main vault
Specially referring to things like IF az traits and what not
Like if you can armor cap, its apparently bad
summer sand
Is BM monk better than prot warrior going into shadowlands
strong forum
'waste armor procs' such a weak argument
main vault
So lower base lets you not cap
warm plinth
🤷
strong forum
Nobody knows @summer sand
onyx vessel
still pagoda
Is BM monk better than prot warrior going into shadowlands
@summer sand
Nobody knows
summer sand
k
summer sand
what bout meow
still pagoda
but both look quite interesting mechanically speaking
strong forum
Maybe Elon knows
tame garden
😏
warm plinth
All I know is that I am probably going to be a tank in SL again lol
strong forum
Ask again in pre-patch to get an actual answer!
main vault
Im picking my DPS based on the fact ill end up tanking
summer sand
why is that @warm plinth
tame garden
Tank for me ghash
main vault
so War/Monk, then idk
warm plinth
Because my main spec is getting all its fun taken away
strong forum
I'm picking my class based on what I enjoy
tame garden
What is dh losing
strong forum
Vdh or havoc
tame garden
Havoc
strong forum
Charge of Fel rush, blade dance longer cd
warm plinth
Dodge is only on death sweep, Demonic window is getting shortened by 2 seconds, Blur DR got nerfed
summer sand
I honestly miss the days where there were no gcd, so tough to decide for me.
tame garden
RIP havoc