Eh
#protection
left hatch
or 4head killing the wrong add on mistweaver
main vault
Up front trash and chained bosses in the second half
left hatch
since its like the skittra mechanic but with paper doll adds
sick sentinel
in shrine the big ele: how does that work? i cant sr every dot, does the healer have to dispell me asap or im dead when sr on cooldown? or can you los that aswell?
left hatch
you skip him
sick sentinel
want try that on 21, not worth it?
left hatch
esp on fortified none of the miniboss adds are really worth it
main vault
You either skip him or pull him without the group and SR the first cast
left hatch
besides maybe the wind lady
sick sentinel
what do you mean first cast? you have to sr every cast or no?
main vault
You can’t
But he is skipped most of the time
It’s just bad time investment for most groups
left hatch
^ the water eles too
the forced downtime on them coupled with how annoying they are
makes them a bad idea
sick sentinel
mhm
main vault
99% of people don’t even know how to deal with ele’s
main vault
You can also not get hit by the slam ability
sick sentinel
yea we neither but we are doing 22/23s keys but never do the sr ele tactic, want to try that on 21 first
left hatch
i mean.. even with SR
you arn't chunking his health
its not like pre-nerf Cyclone strike where you can get way ahead in dps/time
sick sentinel
so the scale is different on 25/26? because the "high key dudes" do that
main vault
Its a decent chunk
left hatch
the higher up you go the more itll chunk him yes
but idk, imo its not a risk to take unless you're pushing very high keys
and theres more efficient trash for most gropus
i could also see the warr's you're looking at using 2 IT's to have a much shorter SR cd
sick sentinel
we got a 23 key and want to figure out the best tac, so you say just stick with the "normal" one?
left hatch
thats what id do
seems like the strat your watching has some missing context
like i said IT seems a good play there so you can SR every dot
and also have more reflects for the 3rd boss
sick sentinel
yea the IT thingy was my question 😄 because you cant sr every cast
left hatch
and all the other casters along the way
sick sentinel
yea
and last question, in waycrest, how do you determine where the witches spawn? we figure out the route but the witch in kitechen doesnt spawn, is that a weekly fix spawn?
sick sentinel
mhm
placid oar
hi guys, can anyone advise how to position the "Dog" boss in workshop beside the Crate so that the group can still dps while it casts venting flames?
i tried once but was told to stop cos it can bug out
amber siren
Are you talking about melee or ranged?
tawdry dirge
whats avarage dps for a protwarrior in m+ FH 12-15?
placid oar
oh i am referring to melee @amber siren
also, would anyone know how i can kill the minions of zul fast like they do in MDI? I dun understand how the tank manages to kill all in like 1 hit
i tried to avatar, charge in with berserker rage and TC but they live through
main vault
@tawdry dirge no way to answer that
tawdry dirge
fair enough
still pagoda
whats avarage dps for a protwarrior in m+ FH 12-15?
@tawdry dirge
Depends on your gear and how fast and how much you pull
amber siren
i haven't seen anyone consistently get the melee to hit the boss through the box during vent flames but that's only from my experience, there might be a way i don't know about
still pagoda
it can hop from 30k to 80-100k just by doing big pulls in few places
overall through the dungeon ofc
since you can do 150k+ DPS on 2-3 packs with just TD2
left hatch
get some TD and pull bigger
still pagoda
^
left hatch
without TD or mass pulling you can/should be around 40k
tawdry dirge
hmmm fair thats crazy
left hatch
overall
left hatch
at least
still pagoda
without TD or mass pulling you can/should be around 40k
@left hatch
50-60k in 465 without TD
tawdry dirge
okay i am on 464 ilvl so my around 43kish is fine then
left hatch
yeh, im thinking overall tho, with just 1 pack at a time pulls
left hatch
and bosses factored in
still pagoda
i was stuck in 40k overall before my first TD piece that dropped yesterday
left hatch
40-50k is lower end but at least you're putting in some effort if you're doing that much
and you'll see higher if you pull more and grab some TD's
still pagoda
rn constantly hopping between 40-50k 'cause pugs are scared by any pulls bigger than one pack
tawdry dirge
hmmm i have 1 td
but not going crazy with pulling and my azerit is also not optimal i guess so are my trinkets and my shield ^^
still pagoda
90% of your defense is baseline already
brisk ferry
@placid oar you use the blood elf aoe purge to kill the minions of zul
fair warning, they apply bursting
jolly thistle
@placid oar You can hit the dog boss through the edge of the crate if you get him close enough
Only auto attacks tho
Behold my paint skills
Pink is Boss
Tank is yellow when positioning
Green while he casts
placid oar
@brisk ferry ah i see, thank you (=
@jolly thistle Wow, thank you! that helps.. will learn how to do that as i progress (=
jolly shuttle
old Q about hidden artifact appearance. Do i have to read the tablet everyday? or was once enough?
chilly brook
Once is enough
chilly brook
@sick sentinel mechagon
sick sentinel
i had to stop playing huntard because it was degenerate, mash buttons 100k dps but you could turtle to avoid alot of the fire dmg too, and pets
chilly brook
I dont really see how its degenerate but eh
chilly brook
Most people that complain about hunter dps and how easy the spec is are bad at the class somehow in my experience
That's not a shot fired at you btw
sick sentinel
the entire rotation was barb shot, beast enrage, kill command, barb shot cobra shot/multishot, barbshot kill command use the leaf thing when it comes up
chilly brook
Yea
sweet summit
No barbed shot monka
sweet summit
🙂
sick sentinel
4-5 abilites
chilly brook
Nah but seriously the whole rotation for frost dk is obliterate, frost strike and breath
sweet summit
Eh, rime procs
sweet summit
Remorseless winter or whatever?
chilly brook
Nope
sick sentinel
pet aspect ofr huntard really pissed me the fuck off, i was in a m+12 FH or some shit, pet ran after some mob 400 yards away pulls 17,000 mobs to us, and it was at that moment that i knew i fucked up.
chilly brook
The only point I'm making is that most rotations are 4-5 abilities
sweet summit
Pretty much
sick sentinel
gave up on huntard soon as i saw the mobs comin to us and pet dead
still pagoda
another 60 rio
and TD1 gloves
think of dropping Exp2 just not to go over 60
ah
i forgot that i was running null instead of warden in this key
chilly brook
Playing bm hunter is like playing prot warrior
It's not terribly hard but if you Jack up you're gonna feel it
still pagoda
^
also
i've accidentally pulled half of backyard through the wall 
WCM never stops being WCM...
broken gale
@ionic fern yeah, spamming IP, he was full defensive on essences and doing the defensives correctly and in order with our healer. We tried many variations, i believe the prob might be the ST dmg in the end. On the videos i checked on the matter ppl were bursting for like 130k and mantaining 85 - 90k on the whole pull. We just gave up. Might try the 20, just to train more tonight. Its just really frustrating because the whole dungeon was clean until zul.
@modern brook she wasnt running those (soul and prosperity) do you think that might've helped?
mild ore
how big of a difference would a 475 shield from a 460 shield make in 20+ keys
modern brook
U pretty much always need those in kr, try weeks for third boss bleed and spit gold ticks, fprt weeks for zul and if something goes horribly wrong with the berserker bleeds (in my experience)
Theres also just not a whole lot of party wide damage going out to really justify cultivation (assuming your dps play correctly)
@mild ore theres a google sheet in #268491842637660160 or the pins that answers exactly thay
silk cobalt
guys as a beginner am i better pulling routes for MDT from raider io or making a route myself? right channel this time
broken gale
@modern brook just passed the info to her, thanks for the feedback
she got some feedback from druid disc as well
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544839721394765855/710504928648364082/Screenshot_20200514-1050592.png?width=717&height=444
BUT i dont want to go offtopic here, just for us to make a decision when to use what in that situation
weak wraith
Is best served cold any good In dungeons? I've been on break for a few monthes
ionic fern
@silk cobalt start with MDT just to get the idea of things. You can just modify them as you get more experience.
@weak wraith it's not.
You should be playing Unstoppable Force.
weak wraith
Kk
silk cobalt
ty mwahi
simple dune
The first pull of underrot, the matron and the pack of 4. On an 18.
Makes me feel so unbelievably squishy
still pagoda
though it is mostly physical
simple dune
Even with healer externals, lucid dreams, and shield wall + last stand I died twice lol
I blame the 440 shield I have
simple dune
Yes
still pagoda
man, you probably understand that this is unnecessary
simple dune
I’m learning tank and hoping to be soon
main vault
Cause he is playing a different game than you
simple dune
Already timing 18s a week into learning tank
main vault
At his level, yes, use Lucid
simple dune
Going for 20s this week once I get a shield
main vault
That’s big rip though
simple dune
Alright well, lucid couldn’t keep me alive still
main vault
440 is like what, +4
still pagoda
i need more. MOAR TD
sick sentinel
I bought a 475 shield with surging for 300k
simple dune
I don’t have any gold. I’ve always been poor in this game xD
still pagoda
you can buy clean shield for even cheaper
simple dune
I buy a wow token every 2 months to pay for raid supplies and repair
that plus dailies, and some minor ah flipping keep me up
still pagoda
i may think of farming a shitton of gold rn
simple dune
On my realm for some reason, titansteel mats are 1k but the crafted bar sells for 1.8k. So... that’s my hustle xD
still pagoda
just to move over to Twisting Nether and change faction to horde
simple dune
How do you even farm gold ? I’ve seen so many videos of “100k per hour” and it’s transmog that’s lucky to sell in the month
simple dune
How do herbs make money? They sell for a gold each
still pagoda
Zin'Antaria
still pagoda
it sells for 4000g/stack here on Gordunni-EU
simple dune
A stack of anchor weed is 800g here
still pagoda
and this is a 2nd biggest alliance server on EU
sweet summit
You boost m+
sweet summit
Or raids
still pagoda
exceptional method btw
sweet summit
Or visions
simple dune
I have an even better idea
main vault
Visions honestly are the best money
simple dune
I can become a seller for a community. I’m in one already. Just gotta apply
main vault
5 mask full clear is 150-250k
still pagoda
4 boosted keys a week covered all consumables for raiding and M+ for me back in legion
simple dune
They make 20% cut
Back in legion I solo boosted 15s and kept all the gold
You can still do it today too.
simple dune
Make a grp as a tank, fill in lfg with high io players, say “let me bring a friend”
And inv your safe
Sale*
still pagoda
Big win
@main vault And a big shame
simple dune
Yeah I made a lot doing it
main vault
Absolutely shameful
simple dune
How so?
still pagoda
you literally scum other people's part for participation ^
simple dune
Yes what are you supposed to do if you don’t have anyone who wants to sell boosts
still pagoda
and scamming people
main vault
And making others participate in the service
onyx vessel
as long as its not real money
main vault
And get nothing
strong forum
Join a community
simple dune
I assembled the group, dealt with the shit that is pugs and jajas, carried the key. That’s worth gold.
main vault
You find a group/community to do it
onyx vessel
look at most of the streamers in bfa
strong forum
That's how you get boosts going with people that are probably better or equally good at the game than you
onyx vessel
"selling" key carries
main vault
So boost price/25%
onyx vessel
"free"
simple dune
I also sold for 30k cheaper than everyone else on my realm 😄
onyx vessel
x5 chance sub
main vault
Absolute scum
onyx vessel
clearly free
strong forum
It's one way to get money Munk, just not an ethical one
onyx vessel
simple dune
Yeah, it’s the only success I’ve had, and it was in legion
still pagoda
just farm Zin'antaria and look at prices dropping even more rapidly
though here they stay at 20g/piece for a long time by now
simple dune
The group I’m in requires 2300 io to boost keys, or 10/12m to boost raid
I’m 9/12m and 2k io 😦
onyx vessel
simple dune
My best bet is to apply to be a seller for them so I made a 20% finders cut
main vault
At least then you aren’t scamming
still pagoda
main vault
Like, you even put friends in quotes, so you knew it was wrong lol
simple dune
It never was scamming. If the run failed I gave a full refund
main vault
Ok
still pagoda
i also have +17KR in my bag rn
main vault
It’s sad you don’t even see the issue
simple dune
I do, I just don’t care because it’s a video game
sick sentinel
How you treat random strangers in a video game reflects poorly on your character irl tbh lol
main vault
Absolutely
The fact you can even make that decision tells me you are morally bankrupt
And especially the fact you don’t care
main vault
And even if it’s just a game, they paid real money for the game, real money for the sub, and probably real money for the gold
sick sentinel
I pay for all my gold :^)
main vault
Lol
still pagoda
main vault
I won’t lie
Ever since asmon started doing death rolls and they got popular in game
I’ve gone off the hinge
still pagoda
I won't lie, i've spend more money on tea this year than on anything WoW related
modern brook
#protection of the economy
still pagoda
main vault
It’s just so easy to be standing afk somewhere and death roll 50k
onyx vessel
now the weebs are joinning in the rant
onyx vessel
🍿
still pagoda
now the weebs are joinning in the rant
@onyx vessel
Well, we've literally occupied this chat
Weebs and Russians
onyx vessel
dreamy gorge
xaxa men )
sweet summit
Weebs out
spring loom
hey all, i need help in tanking Kings rest with bursting, the void adds before the first boss. any tips appreciated
ionic fern
That's mostly under the control of your healer/DH with the dispells. 👀
sick sentinel
the void adds?
that's a rogue thing
DH shouldn't need to do anything
and healer shouldn't need to do anything either
ionic fern
You obviously don't pug enough. 95% of the rogues in pugs don't know that "rogue thing".
sick sentinel
If you don't have a rogue, berserker rage
and run into all of them
if you have arcane
it helps
and yes
I know how to do it with a rogue
without*
sick sentinel
no
what
lmao
you can have them stay at the top of the stairs
they won't get the bursting*
and you can just die if it comes to it
elfin maple
one thing for shadow of zul is you can use memory of lucid major
main vault
main vault
- he asked about minions
- if you don’t know how to deal with minions, you aren’t doing a level of KR that it’s even close to needed
solid crystal
Should I be using revenge ever unless it procs for free or it a huge rage waster
That could be used for IP
Was watching floorpov and his hps seem so fucking high compared to mine think I'm not getting IP off enough haha
main vault
That’s not a thing
solid crystal
What's not a thing
hollow nebula
Hey guys can u recommend a really tanky build for raids
brittle owl
the standard build
main vault
And yes, you should only use Revenge if it’s free
solid crystal
Err it kinda is considering like 70% of his hps is IP and he's getting like 40-50k overall yet I'm struggling with 20k
sweet summit
Hps is an irrelevant factor
solid crystal
I can only put it down to my usage is really low
main vault
When you do his level you can worry about healing
sweet summit
Hps is an irrelevant factor
As long as you dont cap rage, youre mostly fine
SB>IP in 99% of all pulls
brittle owl
you're doing content low enough that you are overcapping on it , it's not something you think about
undone sun
warrior isn't a heal tank
HPS is irrelevant
brittle owl
^
solid crystal
I mean I'm usin revenge way to much and rarely even IP so I'm doing that wrong
main vault
Sure
solid crystal
Where rage would be better used on IP
brittle owl
dang
modern brook
Too slow
brittle owl
/cry
main vault
lol
solid crystal
No I didn't mean it like that though haha was just an observation that I obviously wasn't using IP enough
brittle owl
your autocorrect is very woke nexii
solid crystal
My healer probably feels it alot
brittle owl
probably not
main vault
I just got home, so I’m watching titanforged and got nothing else to do
If you aren’t dying then using rage on revenge isn’t terrible
solid crystal
Probably also a bit high on corruption atm
main vault
Like on some lower keys I don’t use IP at all
sweet summit
Over 60?
solid crystal
Making me feel a bit squishier
main vault
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid crystal
Nah I'm running like 55
main vault
Anything under 59 is fine
brittle owl
as long as you aint dying
sweet summit
Thats fine
sweet summit
Pretty much
solid crystal
Or something around there and sr and cloak the illusions
main vault
You should always run the highest level you can safely deal with
solid crystal
4x td
brittle owl
yeah thats fine
sweet summit
Only?
brittle owl
low on cloak prob
brittle owl
solid crystal
Cloak shit kills me
sweet summit
R4 td is below 40
main vault
solid crystal
r4 td isn't below 40 with a standard 15 cloak
brittle owl
there's like
20 corruption resistance
that you've thrown away
that's 1 extra td you could be wearing
modern brook
I think capse upwards of 75 now w/ bonuses. Literally 3 free tds
solid crystal
Tbh I started playing late in this patch again
main vault
100 corruption is 4x
solid crystal
And trying to play an all at the same time is not fun
Alt
Haven't tried soloing 5 mask yet how is it for prot war haha
sweet summit
Easy
solid crystal
Alright I'll give it a crack today then
solid crystal
Yeah I figure single target bosses is just shit so I've put it off haha
sweet summit
Nah, alleria is just always aids. The rest is fine
warm plinth
I do mage trade dwarven old town myself. But that’s on hunter/DH fwiw
main vault
If you are full clearing route doesn’t really matter at this point
modern brook
I do dwarf first just cause u can do the bear spirit thing if it's open at the start that way
sweet summit
What the fuck is the bear spirit thing
buoyant patrol
first zone of SW you have either the versa buff or 10% haste buff from bear spirit
if versa buff house is closed go to the other side which is open, walk on the bear rug and you have a bear spirit that pops. Kill all the adds and you get 10% buff
sweet summit
Ive never used any of this
sharp night
i just don't bother because it doesn't make enough of a difference
stark ruin
maiden ravine
haughty forum
I don't have that R3 essence that requires grinding the Nazatjar follower, or the PVP or raid ones. Or anything that requires the two new reputations. Basically I only ground out what was best for tanks last season and skipped everything else. VOP major, Aegis, Nullification Dymo, Memory of Lucid Dreams R2 is what I'm running. Is there a better option than R2 Lucid?
main vault
R3 lucid
haughty forum
I mean without grinding.. 🙂 I just like keys. Haven't raided since Uldir.
main vault
If you wanna push keys, youll have to grind good essences
If you wanna do a weekly no leaver 15, then use whatever feels good
haughty forum
I've timed all the 15s already.
haughty forum
Yeah, I guess. The thought of cruising around Naz making kelpberry wine for a week to level follower xp just seems like a big waste of life. But it's good advice.
main vault
I wish it only took a week
haughty forum
I'm 2400 short. Which measured in Kelpberry mfg time is like 7 years.
left hatch
not having a resistance one is also kinda Inting
solid crystal
Okay soloing 5 mask was not as hard as i thought
sick sentinel
solid crystal
as minor essences is it normally Aegis/Lucid/nullification? or is STrength of the warden more viable
solid crystal
M+ sorry
sick sentinel
For m+ you should run CnS/lucid/sotw/sphere for the most part
You can run Null barrier in certain high keys like ML or WCM where you’ll be consistently popping the barrier
solid crystal
Sots also i assume?
cursive musk
Heey realtively new tank here 🙂 i dont understand ignore pain.. sometimes its absorbing 100k, othertimes 90k, and it wont go higher than the 100k which is of course because of the cap on the ability.. but sometimes the shield gets bigger on its own, why is that?
solid crystal
yeah okay i think i need a defensive trinket too, maut or lingering
which is better from nya?
still pagoda
Nah
sick sentinel
What level of key are you doing
sick sentinel
The only time you should use a defensive trinket is if A) you are using it on cd
And B) you absolutely need it to survive
solid crystal
@eager vine Are u running Vision of perfection oli? and at least one bastion of might? Every time vision pops it activates IP
cursive musk
atm i used it without activating an essence, and im running tripple bastion, so it can be because of the procs i guess?
solid crystal
how do u mean without activating an essence?
As in its in ur major?
it randomly activates for you for Avatar if so
still pagoda
IP max value scales with attack power
solid crystal
and that pops ur bom
cursive musk
yeah im running lucid dreams but im not using it :p wanted to test ignore pain without anything
cursive musk
Cool thanks 🙂 need some WA to track the IP
solid crystal
i can send u some if u want
still pagoda
Just a rage dump with damage smoothening effect
solid crystal
whats ur ingame name olli
cursive musk
Would be lovely @solid crystal
solid crystal
and server ill invite and share what i use
cursive musk
happiewarr-twisting-nether
left hatch
what key level are you doing Olli
solid crystal
invite me 😛 its not working
cursive musk
13-16s, just got back so have no score and therefore, pugs are hard to get into 😛
solid crystal
sent u a pm olli 🙂
left hatch
you should'nt be using Lucid
cursive musk
and yeah i wont run lucid i knoiw
sick sentinel
Good work soldier
left hatch
also other procs could be boosting your IP
force multiplier or the cloak proc being the most common
sick sentinel
I’m honestly impressed that you notice the change in Ip
left hatch
the size of IP doesn't really matter, but just making sure it doesnt exceed its cap of 1.3x cast size
sick sentinel
I see the numbers but it means nothing to my brain
cursive musk
Well i feel like im getting pummeled in m+ so i want to figure out wtf is going on 😄 im used to a monktank and thats way different i feel
left hatch
^ its better to avoid rage capping than IP capping
cursive musk
Well still learning :p figured i should run vision of perfection instead of lucid in lower keys, this IP stuff and that i need to track my SB uptime so im working on WAs atm
undone sun
ultimately it's not great, if you're losing sb because of it... but trying hard to avoid the 1.3 cap isn't something to worry about
sick sentinel
If you’re playing properly the 1.3 cap rarely is an issue tbh
left hatch
the important part of tracking SB uptime is to avoid overlapping it with LS
undone sun
it's never a real issue
left hatch
IP tracking is such a minimal minimal thing
sick sentinel
True, but naturally good play will semi prevent it is what I’m saying
left hatch
keep SB up as much as you can (without overlapping it with Last Stand)
dump all your excess rage into IP
and make sure yo'ure using Avatar and Demo Shout on CD
and you shouldn't be having any issues
@solid crystal between those 2 trinkets if you absolutely NEED an absorb one, LSP is the way to go
nova arrow
Hey fellas I’ve got a quick question. I’m using a r2 echoing void and got a r3 twisted appendage (mind flay tentacle), I can use only 1 of them bcs of corruption. Which one gives more dmg in general?
left hatch
maut trinket is dogshit outside of like... 2 instances in raid
nova arrow
I do both m+ and ny’alotha
left hatch
and like Hawgz said thats only if you absolutely need it to survive and are using it on CD
otherwise double haste trinks babeyyy
solid crystal
@left hatch for m+ u reccomend LSP?
left hatch
if you absolutely need it
sick sentinel
If you need it
solid crystal
damn that means i have to do raid hahaha
yeah maybe consider it if i start doing over 20s
left hatch
personally in the 18 range i dont feel a need for it
solid crystal
think im okay for 18s and shit
sick sentinel
But using a defensive trinket can put you in my situation
Forgot to unequip before key
+21 JY
left hatch
@nova arrow how do you have so little corruption resistance 🤔
nova arrow
It’s r6 rn bcs my prot warr is 3 days old lol
sick sentinel
@nova arrow personally if there is aoe involved I’d use EV
In m+ that’s going to get you further
In raid I’d use TA
left hatch
yeh EV is better for aoe, but TA (esp when undergeared) will come out on top in ST
so Raid and Workshop use Twitsty Tendies
for now
haughty forum
Is EV still decent? I unequipped mine after they nerfed it in favor of ones that give haste. Was only adding ~5 million per run or so.
left hatch
yes its still good
sick sentinel
Middle of the pack
nova arrow
Not the best source of dps but still nice even in raid
sick sentinel
Ahead on ST tell that to me: Dwayne the proc johnson
haughty forum
I have zero TD. Running keys several nights a week all season and zero TD... gross.
sick sentinel
De wae is through the world quests
haughty forum
Isn't it like 60 ilvls lower though?
left hatch
esp on something like wrists or belt the loss there is fairly trivial
sick sentinel
TD knows no ilvl
left hatch
compared to the boon of TD
sick sentinel
Only pump
nova arrow
Yeah you do a fast clear before meal with 0 masks and get a TD rank 3, then do a full mask clear and get mastery buff rank 1
425 ilvl TD r3 lmao
sick sentinel
I’d wear it
haughty forum
But that's just random chance right? It's like the specific essence is known ahead of time?
left hatch
iv gotten Void Ritual pants 3 times in a row this week from 5 mask clears (:
yeh its tsill random chance
sick sentinel
But did you get leech corruption
left hatch
but visions are guerenteed to corrupt
haughty forum
I haven't touched a WQ since I unlocked flying.
left hatch
and WQ have a much higher chance to corrupt for some reason
oof, neglecting your neck
still pagoda
but visions are guerenteed to corrupt
@left hatch
Unless you get azerite piece
sick sentinel
If I equip all of my leech corruption I boast 51% leech
sick sentinel
I’ll let you do the math on how many pieces of leech corruption I have gotten over the last 3 weeks
haughty forum
Yeah, neglecting a lot. Stopped cloak at 14 too. I'm at the point of the xpac where I'm just flat out done doing anything other than M+ with the gang. One char, no alts or offspec.
left hatch
well its a game so you can play/do what you want
but personally M+ is the content you want to min max for
still pagoda
my cloak is 12 and i really want to bump it up to 15 as fast as i can
left hatch
raid is trivial by the time you get to it, alts are zzz if you have no plans on swapping
still pagoda
alts are zzz
Total zzzzzzz
left hatch
but i dislike the feeling of potentailly holding my group back
because XYZ thing is behind
sick sentinel
I live for that feeling
high nacelle
guys i have a question. if i have 3 pieces of twilight devastation equipped and they proc is the percentage stackable or is it single proc on item
left hatch
its 1 big proc
sick sentinel
% stack
high nacelle
okey thanks
left hatch
the only thing offhand that procs indipendently is Lash of hte Void
sick sentinel
So TD6 = 36%
sick sentinel
Isn’t it IT?
left hatch
possibly
sick sentinel
I have no idea but that would be my guess
left hatch
might be twisty tendies
sick sentinel
Makes sense
haughty forum
Yeah, I don't like the feeling of maybe holding them back either. It's why I started looking into what I needed to grind to catch up. Weeks worth of Naz & Rajani and Uldum accord rep and PVP and EP raid and the new raid. Or just drop it all and play Bannerlord! 🙂
left hatch
dropping till shadowlands is a viable strategy
it was in the PRIMA offical strategy guide
still pagoda
ehm... I have a question about AD again. Is priestess really a better boss to start with instead of dropping to rezan right away?
cinder jackal
Guilds First ever mythic run tonight, and got 2 down.
However, my log parses are Shiite!
Would someone, who sees the first mythic bosses as progress (not farm) mind sharing their logs with me so I can compare please?
sick sentinel
@still pagoda people go that way so they can get better lust timings
And various other reasons
But dropping to rezan and lusting on a fortified week is unnecessary
sick sentinel
Also works out nicely to go to priestess cause then you don’t have to backtrack to get that obelisk
still pagoda
but it is still preferable to do Rezan first on tyrannical weeks?
sick sentinel
I prefer it, some groups don’t
still pagoda
i've got a bit of an argument with one of my guildies(who has 2.7k rio), and he argues that dropping to Rezan first is totally outdated
though he and Vol'kaal require BL on tyrannical weeks
main vault
I think for pushing its outdated
still pagoda
?
main vault
One of the big reasons you didnt go that way first is because of the toughness of the trash
Which you now skip with the obe
still pagoda
i remember that big golem at the staircase
main vault
yeah
You pretty much just avoided all that
but now you just skip it all with obelisk so it isnt scary
still pagoda
but which bosses to lust if going this route on tyrannical weeks?
that's my main concern rn
sick sentinel
On tyr you can maybe (?) still go rezan first but in a high enough key lusting the double pull is still viable
main vault
yeah
usually if you wanna lust Rezan, you also pull trash with it
I wanna try the new snap but pugs scare me
sick sentinel
What snap are you referring to
main vault
the princess trash to rezan
main vault
do you not watch MDI?
still pagoda
sick sentinel
I never caught an AD
main vault
They snap all the trash from start to stairs, then snap it all with the tank to Rezan
still pagoda
pugs in keys i do rn will leave right after seeing me move towards Rezan with those packs
sick sentinel
Let me go see this
main vault
@sick sentinel
They pull different trash but it works the same
they just run down mid and pull it all
main vault
Tank runs and gathers trash, hunter runs straight to Rezan, MD, tank snaps to Rezan, which then snaps trash he has aggro on
sick sentinel
Ok I had a very different idea in my head how that would look
I have seen that before my bad lul
still pagoda
i think i really need to just push myself into 2k rio territory and find stable group now
main vault
sub-10 AD is insae
sick sentinel
I have a million doubts in my head that my gang of apes could execute that
Myself included in the gang of apes
main vault
yeah lol
main vault
That specific pull REQUIRES a Hunter too
main vault
Its their fix to mass pulling dungeons
If you get out of range or otherwise, their fix is to have you/the mobs teleport to one another
Since the Hunter uses MD then hits Rezan, you have aggro on Rezan
Since you are fucked off in another part of the dungeon, you teleport to Rezan
Since you teleported to Rezan, you are then out of the range of mobs you aggros
still pagoda
and thus teleporting half of the dungeon trash to you through misdirect?!
main vault
So they teleport to you
still pagoda
quiet crane
Thats fucking nutty
main vault
Now all of it and you are all cuddle cuddle in one spot
And yeah, binding shot for the jumpers
still pagoda
i think i need to start logging my M+ runs
just to get the ability to check through everything and every place i've fucked up
still pagoda
i still have a lot of things i do rather in a hurry and feel squishy in some places
Namely all spell cast heavy packs
sick sentinel
More likely than not it is an interrupt issue
still pagoda
bleeds, spell casts
and since i've done mostly KR and ML keys this week(It is somewhat of a coincidence that i've ran through 3 KR's in those 2 days), it is even more amplified
seen 300k bleed ticks in +17 KR today
that was really fucking scary(i bricked this key with guildies on rather badly optimized "mains")
still pagoda
have you ever seen 470 ele sham doing 40k overall through the dungeon?
sick sentinel
Nope but I also don’t usually run an ele sham
That is low
But pull size is a large factor in overall dps
still pagoda
well
should have kept this key for myself and nitpicked pugs to time this
yea, those slackers(ele has 1851 rio but did poorly) got their weekly
while i've lost possibility of getting 40 rio
not a problem since i have +16 siege in my bag that i'm not gonna waste
sick sentinel
Happens, everyone throws a key every once in a while
still pagoda
at least i'm slowly improving
now i really need to get rid of this constant hurry attitude that i have
sometimes resulting in me misclicking or fucking up and dying to spell cast i didn't interrupt
main vault
Fire/Destro/Ele are all that way
main vault
well thats the problem then
still pagoda
and neither warned me of their CD's
main vault
There are WA to track their cds
still pagoda
need to redo ZT for that
scenic hollow
Too hung up on a stupid metric like rio
half phoenix
Hey I just joined and don't see anything on it.... am I alright sticking withy prot for horrific visions or should I switch to a dps spec, ie is it viable?
half phoenix
ok sweet thx!
still pagoda
Too hung up on a stupid metric like rio
@scenic hollow
Well, it is life for the puglife
no rio, no keys
scenic hollow
I only pug. And that’s not the case at all dude?
Just need to be in the relevant range.
main vault
My biggest issue is r.io is its a cumulative system of individual events that most of the time dont apply to yours
still pagoda
NOW IT'S TIME TO TRACK IT ALL
main vault
Like someone gets 150 points for dungeon a with comp a, and 150 points for dungeon b with comp b, and etc
Dungeon a with comp a is different than dungeon a with comp b
scenic hollow
I barely play Shrine. I hate it in pugs. But I play the others extensively. RIO does not account for that. I’d take me running freehold over some random dude that has a better Rio because he face rolled his way through every dungeon.
still pagoda
SotS goes pretty well with pugs for me
except for the third boss on Tyrannical weeks
main vault
I actually find SotS not too bad yeah
sick sentinel
Really doable key
scenic hollow
I just had bad experiences with particular affixes and it’s scarred me for life
still pagoda
well paced and doable
main vault
when titanforged was talking about being able to clear 28s this week, SotS was one of the 3 dungeons they said could be done
scenic hollow
I mean, I could do it sure. I just don’t like it so choose not to play it. My RIO obviously suffers, but that’s not indicative of my play at all. Which is why I find Rio flawed.
still pagoda
are we nearing end of Legion situation?
scenic hollow
Forcing me to achieve a number in a dungeon I don’t play so that I can get runs in a dungeon I have extensive experience in just proves the flaws in the system.
sick sentinel
I don’t have a problem with rio
hidden plaza
this is a weird or stupid question but a dps having threat for a total of 10 secs of an entire 30 min 19FH is that bad good :S
main vault
depends what you had threat on
undone sun
just don't pug 4head
main vault
and why
if you had threat in the middle of a boss fight, thats the tanks fault
If you charged into a pack that wasnt pulled yet, thats yours
scenic hollow
I mean, I 100% see the benefits of it. Of course. I just find it flawed and it should be used as a rough guide - not the be all end all
sick sentinel
Rio shows what you have done vs what you haven’t that is the whole purpose
main vault
the only flaw I have is the cumulative score
scenic hollow
No Hawgz. People do not use it that way at all. They look at the number, and select accordingly.
undone sun
what it was intended for is not what it's used for now
scenic hollow
Yup
hidden plaza
it is a DH and usually set up pulls with eye beams and azerite beam
never boss or mid fight on anything
scenic hollow
It should be in a dungeon by dungeon basis. Not a cumulative number
main vault
why is the DH settling up pulls
scenic hollow
Show my Rio for the dungeon I signed up for. Not by totalling up a number inclusive of dungeons I never play.
sick sentinel
The cumulative score is a lazy way to see the average difficulty of content you’ve had success on. Tbh dungeon by dungeon would be rough cause you could just buy a carry to get it up. Not saying you can’t do that with all dungeons, but someone is far less likely to have bought +20 everything than a +20 for one key
scenic hollow
People who have bought carries don’t sign up for shit that’s out of their leagues, imo.
sick sentinel
That is not true people are troggs
scenic hollow
Well. Tanks anyway. Maybe dps do
hidden plaza
No i am trying to group shit up or pull onto boss and they blow all cds in 3 secs
sick sentinel
You pull it you tank it as i always say
Blowing cds while I’m pulling counts as you pulling it
scenic hollow
I dunno. I definitely see the benefits of Rio and we’re better off with than without. But I think people place way too much importance on minor differences.
sick sentinel
As someone who pugs most of their group members on a weekly basis, I can assure you we look at more than just the number
scenic hollow
I only pug. That’s all I do. I have no guild.
scenic hollow
Yeah well I’m a 3x tank. So maybe my experiences are different
sick sentinel
And what we care about most is have you done the key at near this level before
scenic hollow
And that’s how it should be used
grand drum
R.io lets you know what the highest number dungeon someone has done when they sign up for it
still pagoda
Yeah well I’m a 3x tank. So maybe my experiences are different
@scenic hollow
Me and and few other people have pointed out many times that experience of 3k PuG runs is different from 1.7k(my current level) PuG runs
And this difference is huge
Yes, i'm "slowly" rising my play up, bu the experience is still really different
And a lot of pug runs here result in bricked keys(people don't nitpick DPS for keys as far as i've seen. I got really picky with DPS and healer for 2 of my +15 keys today and yesterday, and those went smoothly)
main vault
honestly 7-15 keys are a dead zone for pugs
You dont know what you are getting yourself into
pugging a 12 is probably harder than a 18-20 in a group
scenic hollow
@still pagoda well yeah. That’s a significant Rio difference. That’s not my argument. It doesn’t matter, anyway. I think we all agree that Rio is useful. Only difference is, I feel that sometime people place too much emphasis on minuscule point differential. I don’t like the cumulative score. I’d rather a dungeon -> dungeon individual score, as I find in a lot of groups I pug in, people are lazy and just look at whole score and base their groups on that.
still pagoda
ah
i usually look at cumulative score in ranges of +-50 from median(1.7-1.8k for example) and highest comparative key done
scenic hollow
If I’m running an UR +20, I’d rather someone who has completed it somewhere around 20. Not some dude with a 14 UR and 20 everywhere else.
main vault
But thats not a flaw in the system
still pagoda
same
main vault
Thats a flaw in the application
scenic hollow
I didn’t say it was a flaw in the system. I said the system is fine. Rio is a good tool. I just think people place too much cumulative score emphasis. Which could be rectified by showing the individual dungeon score you are signing up for
main vault
They do though, it shows highest done, and highest done of the dungeon
scenic hollow
Or at the least, the max you’ve successfully timed it. It shows your own. Should show others.
Well mines set up wrong then, I guess.
I thought it just showed highest done in any dungeon as the best run. Not in specific dungeons
main vault
if you hover over someone in your group thats all it shows
scenic hollow
Like some dude signing up for KR it shows best dungeon as +19 UR++
Mine is obviously borked somewhere then. Thanks. I’ll reinstall the add on
main vault
Ill have to look again, but Im pretty sure on signups it shows both
but i honestly dont remember, cause it shows different things if you hover over group leader when pugging, people in group, etc
scenic hollow
From my experience it just shows best on any dungeon for others. But for myself it shows best I’ve personally done for every dungeon
I could also be wrong mate. I’ll look when I get in. I hope I’m wrong and I’ve been misusing it, as being able to see specific dungeons will stop me from having to look them up on other screen
Because like I said, that’s my only gripe in the system - The cumulative score - when all I care is if they can do the dungeon they are signing up for
still pagoda
I thought it just showed highest done in any dungeon as the best run. Not in specific dungeons
@scenic hollow
It shows the specific dungeon on signups if you're in a group finder
the dungeon that is listed in your group btw
scenic hollow
Right. Well completely ignore all the bull shit I’ve said for the past 30 minutes then 😂😂
Back to our regular scheduled programming of what trinkets we should use and how much haste should you get
left hatch
don't forget the old favorites of "how many ilvls should i drop for leech" and "when do i start gemming verse i already have 10% haste"
main vault
and leech
main vault
which part
still pagoda
took MOAR HASTE AND MASTERY over leech in Legion
left hatch
ppl think HPS matter
left hatch
and warrior does nice base damage already so they think itll give them decent HPS
main vault
only time leech has been good, was bear and DK
left hatch
and that that is better than actually like... mitigating damage
or making the thing dead faster
main vault
and that was only from an ability, not from the actual stat
left hatch
RiP RoTS
still pagoda
left hatch
didn't rots have a... 20% leech built into it as well as the damage reflect and everything else
maybe my brain's melted a bit and im misremembering
main vault
Naw
It was only 25% dmg red
Embrace of the Nightmare trait was the 25% leech and 25% dmg
when RotS was active
left hatch
ah there you go, thats what i was thinking
main vault
yeah
left hatch
i miss that and Pawsitive Outlook so much :/
still pagoda
grand drum
plus thrash leggos and relics. killing entire raid groups in 2 globals
left hatch
legion was just such a good time for class design
still pagoda
ye
left hatch
even if it was 90% borrowed power
still pagoda
99% borrowed power that was actually good for the game
especially for fury and prot
misty shoal
Noob question, the third boss in motherload... does she auto with magic damage?
still pagoda
so much crit damage and mastery stacking
left hatch
yes
misty shoal
can that be blocked?
main vault
yes she is 100% magic
left hatch
nope
main vault
no
main vault
SR, LS, SW
left hatch
SB only if you want the 30% SS dps increase
still pagoda
wtf
left hatch
that was the flail yeh?
still pagoda
i actually have it mogged rn
main vault
the bone one yeah
still pagoda
yes
main vault
Me too
still pagoda
the flail
left hatch
id agree if you could de-link it from the shield
main vault
Man the shield is the best part
left hatch
eh not a huge fan
main vault
shield bash with a skull
left hatch
Discobear tho
main vault
where are the rest of your pixels
left hatch
wasn't from mage tower but discobear was :justright:
main vault
Do you need to borrow some?
still pagoda
i dunno why it always screens WoW poorly
grand drum
i didnt play warrior in legion so no flail for me
left hatch
^ i was a baer
still pagoda
@main vault now?
grand drum
same
still pagoda
dunno, but /console screenshotQuality 10 should have worked now
main vault
I need to go back and get appearances
Sucks I moved to US, I have no DPS ones, and I play DPS now
still pagoda
Good luck waiting for arcanite reaper
misty shoal
Was there not a spreadsheet for what we can spell reflect in 8.3 or am I crazy?
undone sun
hidden plaza
So with a 475 nzoth helm 480 tank buster shoulders and 480 ashvane chest is there anything I should gamble on or just save for specific?
ionic fern
Might as well save for a specific one, those are all good pieces.
last gazelle
Do yall have any recommendations for surviving a 21 KR, little scared of just the raw dmg from zul and bridge packs
Was thinking of running lucid major for just another defensive
brittle owl
lucid major as a defensive on zul is worthless
you either have the dps to burn him before you run out of defensive cd's/bloodlust
or you do kite shenanigans
sand kettle
What's the best major to run for Rixxa? Null Barrier?
sick sentinel
I personally use lucid for it
And same for zul
If its a high kr i use everlasting
And swap at during third boss
warm plinth
@lusty grotto
My troll video for you is officially my 2nd most watched video on youtube
undone sun
Nice
orchid frigate
interesting what Ion is hinting with corruption
if there were corruption vendors, what would be your dream setup of corruptions?
sweet summit
R200 TD
loud steppe
hey so im new to prot war i read through everything and is still very lost a bit haha any care to pm me or vc to help me out mostly vc tho i suck at reading and learning haha
sweet summit
Same
orchid frigate
no versa at all?
amber siren
nah im not pushing big keys so i dont need it
orchid frigate
versa above 20 or?
amber siren
around 24+ when cds arent enough anymore
orchid frigate
ah
lusty grotto
what
sweet summit
Even a 21/22 doesnt hurt
lusty grotto
almost 1k views holy shit
blazing gale
I have a question, we had some trouble with Spirit breaker on a +21 boralus, how should you deal with it if u dont have a hunter that can taunt? 1st cast face tank with shieldblock, leap away from second, third with like lingering shell and 4th with shieldwall?
brittle owl
or just benny hill that shit
use your healer as an intercept pole
chaining your cooldowns on a mob you can just kite is kindof a waste
blazing gale
intercept outranges spirit breaker?
lusty grotto
no
lusty grotto
just kite him
with heroic throw spam
can just go in in between and clap, then intercept+leap away
no need to chain CDs, i agree with maelkenar
blazing gale
ok so as long as im not in his melee range he will not cast it on me ?
lusty grotto
you have to be a bit farther away than just melee range
amber siren
spirit breaker is longer than melee range but yeah, general idea
blazing gale
allright allright
ionic fern
Leap->Psychic Shell->DS+IP->Leap.
Or the easiest way as others have said..just kite.
ionic fern
No.
amber siren
lusty grotto
ill have to talk to lincoln
lusty grotto
🤔
ionic fern
You just should have set the bait up better like..
"Mwahi, can i interest you in a question regarding A SHIELD?"
ionic fern
We need pepecry
orchid frigate
mhm
lusty grotto
indeed
also pepebait
at least we can take solace in 
i hope it never goes away
like it has before
brittle owl
same
lusty grotto
ion needs to make a new shit trinket in shadowlands for sure
brittle owl
i am excited to see the new traps
lusty grotto
watch me jinx it now
ionic fern
lusty grotto