just always
#protection
still pagoda
there is no need for anything else in M+ unless you want to just do totally random binge&purge runs for fun with lucid
tawdry dirge
currently using vision --> strife nully and strengh of warden
still pagoda
TD is also the key where you may want to run null minor
tawdry dirge
flame?
tawdry dirge
interessting
still pagoda
lucid and CnS minors are total locks
tawdry dirge
ah okay cool
still pagoda
lucid is just a good rage refund(even more to dump) and verse proc with 30% uptime
chilly brook
More rage to spend means less CDs on your abilities
still pagoda
i DPS in raids
tawdry dirge
same ?
still pagoda
sry xD
tawdry dirge
fair
chilly brook
VoP major if you need a little more survivability but for the most part CoF major
Paired with Deva
Lucid and Null minors are locked in raid
still pagoda
deva is only for pure DPS tho
still pagoda
just run BV in that tier
tawdry dirge
me wants to pewpew
still pagoda
universal shit
chilly brook
Last slot is a little more up to you, just depends
I'll usually run CnS in that slot if I dont need the corruption resist
tawdry dirge
BV is wat? and deva is what?
still pagoda
T6 talents
chilly brook
Booming Voice and Devastator
still pagoda
Booming voice and Devastator
chilly brook
They're talents
tawdry dirge
talents is pretty much same as always isnt it
hearty portal
is the hertz locker a hard achievement?
tawdry dirge
fair
still pagoda
devastator made much more sense in its previous iteration
tawdry dirge
whats best curroptions to rock in m+ and raids?
still pagoda
giving rage on AA's and being separate from BV
tawdry dirge
probly guess same as for all
tawdry dirge
with TD and flays?
tawdry dirge
hahah fair
still pagoda
and haste amps and IT1
civic holly
hi guys i just checked the pins
tawdry dirge
so better to rock TD then u say then stars even for raids
civic holly
does anyone have the link to the reflectable damage table for dungeons please?
tawdry dirge
still pagoda
depends
civic holly
ty
tawdry dirge
thats in faq not pins
still pagoda
TD is just a universal M+ corruption
tawdry dirge
fair i will ping pong then cause stars might to more on st bosses
and td in m+ then
thanks boys u helped me
last qustion do i prio SB or IP in m+
rapid drift
475 jes, 475 dragonscale, and 460 vita which 2?
tawdry dirge
i use smae on my pala for ST
in aoe i use the alchi stone instead of the vita
jes i only used for higher keys as extra def
rapid drift
thanks
graceful sundial
hello! I'm going to start clearing the raid on my prot warrior alt now on mythic. On Hivemint, can you jump over the rolling balls with heroic leap and avoid the damage increased debuff?
sand fractal
is echoing void any good?
cinder fjord
@graceful sundial You can but I'd only do it as a last resort - Depending on where you land you could be hit by other balls - Ideally you want to just be near a wall and just watch where the balls are moving
That's just what I've been doing
graceful sundial
yeah just asking in case I need it... thanks a lot
river cloak
Hi, had a quick question if anyone knows. Do tanks generally keep the corruption from Faralos, Empire's Dream or cleanse? especially if you have alot of corruptions to choose from
lofty widget
should i replace my socketed 465 rezan for a 475 dragonscale?
lofty widget
is it worth adding a socket to it or rather an armor piece?
chilly brook
It's the same amount of extra stat either way?
strong forum
whatever you wear the most time
doesnt matter which slot
just a piece you wear 100% of the time
lofty widget
alright thx!
river cloak
ty!
chilly brook
Also for future reference scale and rezans are equal at same ilvl
Just one has a higher haste amount on a lower proc rate the other has a high proc rate with a lower haste amount
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
Just get both at 475 and run both
still pagoda
i don't need to toss coin on Wrathion mythic now
or need
dunno how 460 vita and 475 scale compare
strong forum
vita wins
its a massive haste trinket
that has haste, procs haste, and gives haste to party members
strong forum
https://i.imgur.com/68JBHtd.png feel my pain.. i got this on DH instead of warri.
why gods
why
still pagoda
well
i need to get vita, vial or block instead of KR bondages now
and it all will be fine
chilly brook
@strong forum at least you got something useable in your box on one of your toons
still pagoda
pfff... 475 rezan
chilly brook
strong forum
rip
jaunty aspen
hi how do o post items got a question?
chilly brook
Not my main anymore so I took what I could get
chilly brook
Just dont kill yourself 4head
still pagoda
pugs... Last boss... EXPLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSION
well
i'm at 1.6k rio now
it slowly grows
soon i will be out of this lower key dumpster fire
chilly brook
Lol
still pagoda
better then looking at people doing 20k DPS in +14
chilly brook
If I do two keys I'll probably be in the 1700s
ionic fern
😂
still pagoda
chilly brook
I just dont have a timed TD because I just finally did TD for the first time this season
Facts dude
I have huge score
still pagoda
did +14 not in time today
chilly brook
The biggest
chilly brook
To be fair
oblique garnet
chilly brook
MW is probably the hardest mana management
oblique garnet
It is bursting this week afterall
basically every healer except paladin can oom very easily
chilly brook
Just give your healers just enough of a pause to grab a drink and pull while they're drinking
elder bay
Healing ain’t easy
still pagoda
it really isn't
elder bay
You can tell when some tanks aren’t using their CD’s also
chilly brook
Especially if the group just keeps refreshing stacks it eats mana fast
still pagoda
and that is a huge problem of lower keys
jaunty aspen
hi got this https://www.wowhead.com/item=159660/servant-splitter&bonus=1627&spec=73 in chest
still pagoda
people refresh and prolong instead of just bursting down packs
elder bay
Yea totally agree
jaunty aspen
is it any good 475 +socket with leech corruption vs atal dazar weapon 465
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
Cuz leech is worthless
jaunty aspen
even if it has no stats on it?
chilly brook
Yes
It's easily the best single target weapon
And weapon DPS is the biggest stat that you should be concerned with on weapons
jaunty aspen
ok what could you advise me to look for wrathion mythic weapon possibly=?
chilly brook
Not really
jaunty aspen
so servant splitter iss better =?
still pagoda
look for any 475 weapon with TD or socket now :D
chilly brook
Corruption effect is meh assuming you have something else and it would only be worth using over splitter on 3+ targets or so and even then probably not noticeable
jaunty aspen
ok just feels weird havin tank weapon without stas so i was concernd
chilly brook
I mean it still has strength and stam...
jaunty aspen
yeah but iam a haste addict
sick sentinel
it's an extra dot which means more dps which means u finish the run faster
chilly brook
You're missing out on like 180ish secondary stats and you have a socket on your servant splitter so that goes down to like 130ish
And the dot on the weapon is really good
jaunty aspen
big thx thats advice i was looking for
chilly brook
So it easily makes up for the DPS of the secondary stats and more on ST
wooden fiber
Is there a big diff between servant splitter and the mechagon 1h?
Or both pretty much good for the DoT?
chilly brook
Both are good
Not sure how much of a difference
But like I said the #1 priority for you when it comes to weapons is ilvl for the weapon dps
It's the largest DPS boost you'll get
unkempt shadow
Does ilvl > traits for prot azerite pieces, generally?
maiden dove
Hey y'all. New to the Discord. Quick question if anyone has time - is there a primer on how Shield Block value works? I remember how it used to work in Wrath, but I just want to make sure I'm right in thinking that Shields may be the biggest upgrade pieces one can get?
I was sitting at 455 with a 400 shield and getting wrecked in +10-12s (still timing thank God). I PvP'd to get a 440 last night and just looking for assurance that it's going to level out the incoming damage a little.
sick sentinel
blocked hit reduces 33% crit blocks double so 66% i think
maiden dove
That piece makes sense, is the block value on the shield just a flat reduction on damage before those coefficients come into play?
main vault
That’s not right
And now for the ONLY thing AMR is good for
Block reduction used to be a flat 30%, but now it scales with the Block stat seen on your shield. The block stat on your shield as of right now is always 2.5 times the armor on your shield.
Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + K)
For example, a shield with 4618 block against a level 123 raid boss would look like this:
Block Reduction = 4618 / (4618 + 6300) = 42.3%
The fact that crit blocks double that amount holds true, but it can’t go over 85%
Block essentially acts like armor now
maiden dove
Okay that makes sense. Thank you for that @main vault!
sick sentinel
TL;DR sheilds are complicated
maiden dove
haha indeed. I've been Blood tanking for the last .... too many years, so I haven't thought about block rating or value since Wrath
main vault
It’s not that complicated if you know how armor works
Block is basically just a second armor value now
When you block an attack, block simply acts as another damage reduction that happens before absorbs (like Power Word: Shield), and multiplies together with any other reductions like armor.
For example, say a raw hit comes in for 100,000 damage. You have 30% damage reduction from armor, and 40% reduction from blocking. The final damage of a blocked hit would be:
Final Damage = 100,000 * (1 – 0.3) * (1 – 0.4) = 42,000
maiden dove
That's huge then. Should definitely help my poor survivability 😛
lusty grotto
@oblique garnet i need help
griff not you, you're a betrayer of the bandicoons and the warrior class
😎
chilly brook
My thoughts is left but that's just me
sweet summit
the one thats not the mechagon shield
strong forum
Riot shield.
lusty grotto
y u guys hating on the mechagon shield tho
chilly brook
Lol
strong forum
Yeah griff.. Don't you ever listen
lusty grotto
kinda disappointed was hoping that extra damage was good
strong forum
We all are
chilly brook
If only
modern brook
The proc is bund
lusty grotto
really dont care about the absorb shit lmao
modern brook
I think some one else got there but mecha shield is mega shit
strong forum
Well the dmg only happens if shield active
lusty grotto
welp to the bin it goes
also i got another IT2 pants
blizzard pls no more TD or IT
wheres my haste% or GW
chilly brook
Throw some my way
strong forum
I got vr2 boots with crit mastery...
chilly brook
Nice
strong forum
So that goes in the bin
modern brook
Donation plz nim
lusty grotto
i need my longboi sir
chilly brook
Hopefully the rest of this trial period goes well
modern brook
U need to pay me >:(
lusty grotto
hmmm....
modern brook
Plz :^)
lusty grotto
maybe when we start selling keys 🙂
i will pay you 1/4th
😎
twenty five percenterinos
chilly brook
I kinda want to play warrior but I'm too scared about next xpac
lusty grotto
have you heard about shattering throw
lusty grotto
ok cause shattering throwing that shattering throw out there
strong forum
You feel bun to play griff.
lusty grotto
well if you're worried about the aoe cap
chilly brook
Oof
lusty grotto
everyone is getting it no?
chilly brook
Nah not worried about the cap
modern brook
wtf nom cold blooded
strong forum
People overdramatize the talent nerfs
chilly brook
Just strongly disagree with their talents shuffling and nerfs
strong forum
Same
lusty grotto
through the ups and downs
chilly brook
No you're forever chef
lusty grotto
which brings me to my next point, why arent DHs getting the fucking nerfbomb on the expansion holy shit
chilly brook
Where the "I'll never play classic" pics at?
lusty grotto
i just did all areas with my DH without gift on a vision, and a rank 9 cloak
chilly brook
They are getting the nerf though
lusty grotto
what in the fuck lmao
2 button class lets go
fucking ridiculous how hard it goes for my mage and hpal but my DH just breezes through
also
i finally got sharkbait
distant crystal
dh is by farrrr the easiest
lusty grotto
still no KR mount, feelsbadman
distant crystal
although fury is p easy too
lusty grotto
whats that
distant crystal
i still have to use an orb on occasion on my main mage
lusty grotto
oh the one spec that doesn't exist on my warrior
distant crystal
but scuffed alt dh and solid alt warrior breeze thru
i should really give arms a whirl sometime
distant crystal
fire mage is pull everything to the nearest lieutenant every 2 mins
and then go slow af until bust is back up
repeat
lusty grotto
yeah but remember, im only starting so sub rank 10 cloaks
areas still just chunk sanity
hpal and mage should get gift soon though, its my next thing
so that will help a shitton
lusty grotto
glimmerdin with TD though 😎
oblique garnet
@lusty grotto ?
orchid frigate
its a trap
distant crystal
it's the worst at a given ilvl
lusty grotto
waat has taken the bait!
distant crystal
ionic fern
lusty grotto
heyo mwahi
junior ivy
remote dawn
Glimpse of Clarity? this good?
sweet summit
not really
strong forum
orchid frigate
gzgz!
still pagoda
at least i can run TD2, IT1, Exp2 setup now
lunar plank
Are there any guides for BiS corruption for m+? I'll be tanking 15-20s and ideally want <40 corruption. I have a TD 2,3, 2x expedient 3, 2x versatile 2, 1x versatile 3. better yet, point me to a solid guide about this. thanks!
strong forum
Stacking the shit out of TD
Then get some expedient to fill up
Thats about all there is to it
If you have access to IT1 its also very much worth running
lunar plank
oof both my expedients are on crit/vers pieces. looks like TD(2+3) it is
strong forum
^
simple dune
How far can I get in keys with 473 equip but using 445 1h and 440 shield?...
I have the essences. 15-16s havent been an issue
No luck on prot weapons
ionic fern
That's literally impossible to answer.
👀
There's so many things to be taken into consideration like skill level, dungeon knowledge etc.
ionic fern
I was doing +19's with a 450 shield before.
Shield is the most important part for your mitigation.
Not having a 475 shield will not stop you from pushing 20+ keys tho.
still pagoda
Block value and stuff
simple dune
Currently I have 440 so, 20s are probably out of the question even with a premade
ionic fern
Pretty sure you can comfortably still do like 17-19 keys.
If you have the dungeon/class knowledge.
simple dune
Still learning!
I always research a prot PoV or two before I try my key if I haven't done it before, and study the dratnos route thi week
ionic fern
👍
Always good to know what you're getting yourself into.
simple dune
for sure!
sweet summit
@strong forum i need your expertise
465 eye with a hole or 475 scale
what would be better overall 🤔
strong forum
<- 460 scale
sweet summit
also ilvl diff
finite bolt
how much corruption should i run as a mythic raider tank i have 31 corruption and idk if tht is good plan
still pagoda
before it goes to another debuff
stark sage
yeah at 40 you have to deal with thing from beyond, and 60 you have cascade
still pagoda
TFB can sometimes ruin your life
ornate magnet
is torment in a jar good at all? just got it
sweet summit
the 475 version is very solid for trash heavy dungeons
main vault
You should always run as much corruption as you can safely handle
No one can answer that for you
steel hollow
im trying to add a macro to say reflecting when i use shield reflect anyone use one that i could use
chilly brook
What am I doing
strong forum
You should use a WA for that
Because a macro will yell it, even when it's on CD
And you just press the macro
steel hollow
gotcha TY
strong forum
Just Google spell reflect announcer or smth like that
limpid birch
is there a BiS List for Azerite Traits for Prot?
still pagoda
how much ilvl socket worth?
limpid birch
15 generally speaking
main vault
ish
still pagoda
ishish
main vault
would take a heroic socket, maybe a mythic with no socket, to beat
sick sentinel
I’d prob take the 470 in that case
still pagoda
but honestly... this 455 with socket still looks really-really nice
sick sentinel
Take whatever sims higher tbh
late cloak
is that the nzoth ring? you have the normal with a socket and a heroic with no socket?
still pagoda
ye
late cloak
i had the same issue a few weeks ago, ive been using the 470, but still look at the 455 with the socket and wonder
a 470 with a socket dropped last week but i lost the roll 😦
meager comet
still pagoda
i'll just keep that 470 ring for now(will just socket it later)
my second slot is locked with 460 haste/crit one with TD2
for now at least
elfin maple
as a tank how do you simm yourself? is it the same as a dps player? maximum dps output?
undone sun
yup
broken gale
guys we are about to start KR 21, any tips on CD usage with a druid for zul?
Shield wall / bark / shout / bark?
left hatch
shout shouldn't be held that long
its only a 15% dr, and the bigger component of it is the rage gen
left hatch
you should be spamming IP anyway
broken gale
im asking for my tank, since he does not speaks english
we are trying to make a plan
broken gale
on IP spam, and the CD order with the druid healer?
broken gale
so Psych shell / LS+SR for a bit / SW / bark / LS+SR again
just help me out here, what is LS / SR / and SW?
i havent played prot in like forever haha
LS = last stand
SR = Spell reflect
left hatch
last stand, Sepll reflect, shield wall
broken gale
ah ok
left hatch
if hes still getting trucked though you can kite him back up the bridge
broken gale
1st Psych shell
2nd Last stand+Spell Reflect for a bit
3rd Shield Wall
4th Bark
5th Last stand+Spell reflect again
right?
left hatch
for the most part yeh
left hatch
well since you're not countering a big ability (like ilgy first beam)
its tough to define what you mean by 1st
its a constant stream of magic damage
will it hold 1 cast, yes
broken gale
ok
broken gale
gotcha
left hatch
and in a 21 likely that you'll need to keep them rolling back to back
broken gale
im passing the info to them
left hatch
communication is gonna be whatll get you through this
and not just panic pressing everything at once haha
left hatch
if you got a boomkin or hunter, treants or pet taunt can also buy you a bit of time
same with other externals like DH's darkness
broken gale
im going as outlaw, so if the tank dies and it goes to me i can try to eat some shots with cloak
yeah we got a hunter
ok my dude just passed the instructions, pray for us
lmao
thanks for the feedback
left hatch
gl haha
outer lark
anyone know the name of the WA that auto marks everything in dungeons for you? or is it an addon
outer lark
thanks
lean arch
what % of your healing should IP generally be in a dungeon?
mortal brook
thats gonna wildly vary my dude. like, if you have healing azerite then less. if you have more haste for big boi rage gen and can spare more IPs, more, etc.
undone sun
it's also not something you should be looking at for a benchmark
mortal brook
IPs just a smoother/filler tho. shield block/rotational execution is the warrior standard
and shouldnt super judge performance off the hps meter
lean arch
trying to figure out if i'm using it enough
or too much, even
i know the latter wouldnt show
left hatch
are you rage capping? you arn't using it enough
mortal brook
if you're prioritizing it over shield block, too much. if your healer fell asleep back at the previous boss, too much. if you're overcapping rage? not enough
left hatch
are you losing time on SB because you IP? you use it too much
left hatch
the biggest thing you can mess up if you arn't rage capping, or losing SB uptime
is overcapping IP
but you can get a WA for that anyway
thatll show how big your current ip is compared to the max where youd waste some of it
but thats a far less impactful thing to worry about compared to rage capping or SB downtime
lean arch
i have that, not sure what the colors mean for the numbers though
like what color to reapply at
undone sun
overcapping IP is relatively fine to everything else though
it still feeds into AM which is the main reason anyways
left hatch
its diff depending on which WA you use, but id imagine Red means you'll overcap
and yeh
lean arch
i've only seen red a handful of times. i assumed that was maxed out
left hatch
and if you're worried about revenge casts that arn't free
its not a huge dps gain in the best circumstances
and in some it can be a dps loss because its a less efficient spender than IP
left hatch
yeh then you're probably doign fine with you IP usage
lean arch
ok cool, thanks
woeful knot
hi guys. i am pretty new to tanking and was just wondering if you guys recommend any video strategy's for mythic plus?
amber siren
dratnos's videos are a good start for beginners, would also definitely recommend watching nerftank's commentary videos as he explains what he's doing pull by pull
lean arch
nerftank has been doing a "i pug this 15 with commentary" series on youtube
it's slightly more advanced, but pretty good
you can slow down what he does
cosmic canyon
Limit downtime between the pulls.
Keep track of healer mana.
Plan ahead and let your team know what comes next.
Kite and limit damage intake.
Pull "big" and controlled when you can, and less mobs when you can afford. Limit risk of wipes.
Use world markers
Use auto marker for comvinience
Use cooldown tracker of your team mates. (keep track of combust for example)
scenic hollow
Cryonaut series I found the best. He’s not well known, but very articulate and covers everything. He assumes you know nothing and goes from there.
woeful knot
awesome thank you guys
broken gale
@left hatch no luck mate
we couldnt get past 40%
its shitty how comp is important on those keys
we had a monk / hunter / rogue and a druid healing
we tried every single combination of cds
hunter couldnt taunt the boss with pet as well, said it failed
sick sentinel
What?
Hunter is the highest dps threshold class
Rdruid is bis for healing
Monk is good for physical
Dps
Comp doesnt do anything, there is always ways to manage
broken gale
ok then help me out here
with every single variation of cooldowns
from the tank and healer,
plus me eating some shots with cloak
i legit want to know what we couldve done better
even with hero, taunts etc..
was a 21, not that high i know, but a huge wall for our team at least
maybe clearing part of the bridge and doing a huge kite back to 3rd boss room?
sharp night
why not kite back to 2nd boss room
there's more space
after all cds are used
and it should already be cleared
sick sentinel
Because most people dont do that route and its extremely inefficient
You should not need to kite that far
elfin siren
hi guys. i am pretty new to tanking and was just wondering if you guys recommend any video strategy's for mythic plus?
@woeful knot Take a look at Darkmech too, DK but he's funny
ionic fern
Did he use his rage on ip? What essences was he running? Was he overlapping demo shout with anything? Was he overlapping/panic using any of the other CDs?@broken gale
Not to sound like a dick but it could also be a issue on the dps or healer side as Zul trucks.
So if it takes too long or if your healer is not comfortable with st healing it might also cause issues.
maiden ravine
rip, soloing eonar is still too hard
modern brook
On the topic of healer / dps issues, was the druid running soul and prosperity?
still pagoda
i'm really struggling with fort zul. Did +14 KR yesterday and was literally nuked by him
maybe it is just me not using my CD's properly
though dropping reflect and SW in a sequence helped out(after getting CRed ofc since i'm a crab in such affairs)
ionic fern
In general Zul is just a "use your CD's effectively and hope your healer knows to expect the damage & your DPS are fast enough to kill him before you die".
ionic fern
If you look at the damage layout of the whole dungeon:
That one single mob is 8% of your overall damage taken in the dungeon.
still pagoda
which is kind of a usual shit in those keys
pretty much
sometimes even more if he doesn't get nuked down with high enough DPS
slate pilot
Does bursting scale with HP increases such as stamina buff or last stand?
mortal brook
Yes
wheat plume
should i be using vision of perf for +18 keys or memory of lucid dreams?
gleaming crater
is this worth 450k?
amber siren
no
gleaming crater
no clue on the valuation of things
gleaming crater
this is what I'm looking at right now:
strong forum
450k is Hella cheap for td3
gleaming crater
hmm
strong forum
Absolute minimum 1mil is what I'd sell it for
gleaming crater
was considering flipping it or using it tbh
just a video game might as well buy it and have fun
but like shadowlands is coming soon
but having 1mil+ seems nice
still pagoda
i'm currently making my gold through zin'antaria farm
yes, it makes like... Only 8000g/hour
but still, a pretty decent stuff to just sustain myself by doing an hour a day
gleaming crater
yeah I'm not much of a goblin tbh, only have 161,000 gold left after buying the TD3 lol
still pagoda
i only have 40k across my chars
since most of the time i don't farm much gold and do a shitton of keys
And also don't slack on consumables in raids
gleaming crater
hmm yeah I just grind +15 keys and HC pug raids where you don't really need to spam consumables tbh
I'll probably never do mythic raiding
so what the fuck else am I gonna spend gold on 😛
I don't really collect mounts etc.
strong forum
Boosting is how make some gold here and there
Haven't boosted in a while though... Can't find the motivation to
still pagoda
honestly
gleaming crater
yeah I boosted a tonne last patch to 1 million gold, took me a lot of hours lol and I don't think I can be bothered again
still pagoda
raiding only 2-3 nights a week is much better than all 4 like i did in Uldir and BoD
i don't see myself burning out or constantly going into net negative on gold each week so far
solid sparrow
Hello all! Can you please gelo with this issue...cant log nothing from my main Warrior on WLogs...tried a live logo yesterday and get recorder everything as Trash fights including bosses :( On alts all fine and on main even on legacy raids for mounts etc is logging correctly. What can this be?
gleaming crater
I couldn't imagine raiding 4 nights a week wtf
strong forum
Advanced combat log not turned on?
still pagoda
most guilds on Gordunni-EU(RU) raid 4 nights a week
solid sparrow
It is
still pagoda
solid sparrow
gleaming crater
I am so casual lol
still pagoda
and rely on just time investment instead of good organization for prog
solid sparrow
shity picture i know 😂
still pagoda
there's a lot of US and EU guilds who get CE with only 2 raid nights per week @gleaming crater
gleaming crater
their pull counts must be really low wow
or do they get CE after all the nerfs
aha
still pagoda
and a lot of 4 nights/week ones who don't even get to last 3 bosses or just burn out quickly as they come close to last boss and CE
guild, with which i raided in Uldir, was of the second variety
500 pulls on G'Huun
and no CE
raid team disbanded due to severe burnout among people despite us pushing it to 2% by then
gleaming crater
yeah I suppose quality > quantity
still pagoda
proper organization > time investement into pulls
gleaming crater
I have no myth xp so all I hear about it is really interesting
alrighty time to have some fun
gonna try it out on a key brb ❤️
strong forum
Ez 20k dps gain
brittle owl
imagine raiding 4 nights a week and not being a hall of famer tbh
i wouldn't even start to give a thought to 4 nights a week if it wasn't top 50 or something tbh
since there are 3 nights/week hall of famers even
outside of that, 2 nights/week is enough for decent comfy progression
still pagoda
Another reason for me to move over to Twisting Nether horde in the future. There're nearly zero guilds with 2-3 nights/week and actual progression here on Gordunni ally
brittle owl
i mean
if you're gonna realm transfer anyway
might as well apply to a guild now and transfer over to a good one you get in
still pagoda
faction transfer on top
well. I'm playing ally rn. But will probably do a shitty yet rather effective move
hoard as much progress as i can here rn and move over during prepatch
brittle owl
i mean, tbh
as a tank your prev progress is more relevant than nyalotha
nyalotha is kindof a joke
brittle owl
oof ok
still pagoda
i didn't touch my warrior for 2 years before starting to gear him up again
and didn't play for 10 months before that
still pagoda
i may do everything in a less fucked up way tho
just move my warrior over during prepatch, prep chars on new place and find a tank spot in any casual guild which does heroic and first bosses in mythic
and slowly get better at tanking raids again and prog
again...
brittle owl
i'd just yolo it and join a new guild
brittle owl
still pagoda
EU horde has constantly emerging new raiding guilds
while here on ally you won't see many new popping up
especially on Russian cluster
brittle owl
russian raiding is comprised mostly of trihard bruteforce guilds from what i see
with like 5 exceptions or so
fallow tusk
You mean throwing wipes at a boss until it works somehow or gear gets to a level you get over it?
still pagoda
throwing much more time onto pulls instead of organisation
4 nights/week non-top30 raid guilds and such stuff basically
but your description is pretty accurate
orchid halo
So how does Lucid major work exactly? Trying to push higher keys and wanting to give it a shot for the extra on use.
ionic fern
It works exactly how it sounds like.
You press it and for the next 15 seconds you have the extra leech it provides + your rage generating abilities will generate 100% more rage.
vast plaza
is there any point to using SB during LS+bolster?
ionic fern
Only for the offensive part of SS doing 30% more damage.
Defensively there's no point.
vast plaza
👍
sand fractal
yo so i dont really get azerite tratis. I have the option of bastion of might vs thunderous blast, where BoM is better, but I already have 1 BoM and no TB. What should I pick?
ionic fern
BoM.
sand fractal
only bcs of mastery bonus?
ionic fern
Most of the Azerite traits stack in one way or another. BoM is one of our strongest Azerite traits, especially if stacked, because of the absurd amount of mastery we are getting out of it. This trait when stacked to 3 will make Avatar pretty much a defensive CD vs physical blockable damage due to all the mastery providing Crit block.
On top of that it's also solid offensively obviously.
orchid halo
@ionic fern should I be using Lucid major with anything else, or just as a stand alone CD?
sand fractal
I see. ty for elaboration
daring bay
@orchid halo You spam your SB and IP depends on the pull ofc but usually you be pulling big with it
Just make sure to not overcap on rage
If you do it correctly you will have 2 avatars in a row
ionic fern
@orchid halo the obvious goal of Lucid is to maximise your rage generation to get the most out of your AM meaning that having stuff like Avatar/DS ready while going into it is ideal.
The thing with Lucid is that you should plan your pulls around it..so ideally you would do big pulls every 2 minutes roughly.
This is not possible in every dungeon just due to mob density/design so take this into consideration.
Generally speaking you don't NEED to run Lucid, especially in sub 20 keys.
It's also one of those essences that you can mess up pretty easily if played poorly.
rapid trench
Does ineffable truth work on everything with a cd?
sweet summit
Yeah
rapid trench
Sweet
orchid halo
Ok that all makes a bit more sense lol. I don't know why it was confusing me. Just trying to step outside of using VoP as major since looking to push a bit higher
ionic fern
What's the key lvl you are looking at?
orchid halo
starting at 18's and pushing right now
ionic fern
You can comfortably still run VoP in that level.
But if you want to mess around with Lucid there's also no harm in that. 🤷
Just take into consideration all that was typed above before opting into it.
orchid halo
haha yeah
ionic fern
👍
still pagoda
i only have SotS, AD and Siege left not timed
AD is +16 with only 1 minute over tho
and WCM is only +10, though i have +15 key in my bags
cinder jackal
Just wanted to loop back to a few guys who were helping me yesterday ( @left hatch & @strong forum )
Finished tweaking my set with what I had available to me, and am now looking at the following;
Probably an easier to see image;
bronze acorn
what essences in kr?
rugged vale
@cinder jackal I'd swap Callous Reprisal with Blightborn Infusion on the chest plate
ionic fern
@bronze acorn the same you run everywhere else.
bronze acorn
lucid major, warden ,null, vision?
bronze acorn
+21+20
ionic fern
Why are you using Lucid? Or null? 👀
brittle owl
why are you running lucid major as a default
bronze acorn
what should i run ^^
rugged vale
If he is having trouble surviving then it is a valid major]
bronze acorn
conflict major?
rugged vale
Never run conflict major
brittle owl
cinder jackal
Thanks @rugged vale
I am pretty happy with my survivability now so yeah, I will make that change.
Cheers
brittle owl
lucid major is kinda pisspoor if you just "use it to survive"
brittle owl
ionic fern
VoP major / CnS/Warden/Lucid is the general "go-to".
There are times where you can throw things like Lucid/Aug major on for specific scenarios.
bronze acorn
but on zul i dont need nullification?
bronze acorn
its fortified
ionic fern
Wait, is it?
wicked rover
lol
bronze acorn
yes
rugged vale
lol
ionic fern
My bad. 😂 I'm stuck in the last week.
You can use Null if you want to then instead of Lucid. Not sure if it's neccessary since idk what your groups DPS is like.
rugged vale
For King's Rest I'd say Nullification is a fine option to use. I'd agree swapping it with Lucid or even Warden depending on your corruptions. But then again, I'm not too big in the M+ scene
sweet summit
There isnt a lot of unavoidable magic damage in KR, and if you use null for one mob in the entire dungeon its kinda a waste
bronze acorn
so vop major, conflict , strenght and null
bronze acorn
sounds decent?
sweet summit
Yea but will a 30k absorb every 20 save you
rugged vale
@bronze acorn Either that or swap null for lucid. Either are good setups
Null and Lucid I'd put as interchangable here
bronze acorn
thanks for help!
but vop major, lucid or null, strenght fo warden, conflict kind of basic setup u mostly always go?
ionic fern
For most situations yes.
You can still play around with Lucid as major in some dungeons and just play around it for big pulls.
bronze acorn
ok got it , cheers ty for help
rugged vale
That's where the or comes in 🙂
modest bridge
Hi read the discussion to essences. Is the benefit of lucid in the minor so big? Never sure if I should take it with me but was concidering as a lot of players play it major. Usually run null - aegis in minor ( aegis cause no conflict) [ VoP Major : Null , Aegis , Strenght my typicalls setup but kinda struggle to survive sometimes not sure if stats - or gear needs more improvement]
errant oriole
is it me or do i not see very many undead wars anymore? lol
left hatch
Null and Aegis are very niche picks
rugged vale
Hit me up with your Essences @left hatch
left hatch
what mwahi said like... 10 lines ago
VoP major, CnS, Lucid and Str of hte Warden
swap Str for Sphere if you don't need the corruption resistance
or for formless if you do and are blessed with a CoF major wielding healer
ionic fern
@sweet summit 15s & 50k.
Will just using Null save him? - No.
It will however help him soothe the damage even more + it's a ST situation and Null will pop on CD meaning that you get a good portion of damage out of it as well on the most critical part of the dungeon.
There's no "need" to run it as it's not as optimal for the most of the dungeon due to the damage break down but there's no harm in doing so on high KR fort keys imo..especially if you don't know the group..Hell, use AuG as major & a defensive trinket on top of that if it helps you through that one part..a big part of you're damage is coming from corruptions at this point anyways.
left hatch
Null is fantastic in raid because of 2 major factors.
- the consistent magic damage means its being consumed roughly on cooldown so it has fairly consistent value
- If its being consumed consistently it does great ST damage
sick sentinel
Hey guys, how does the shrine ele tactic works? So you can't Sr every debuff, do the healer have to dispell me ASAP when Sr on cooldown or I will die?
left hatch
even the most magic damage heavy dungeon still has ~80%+ of teh damage profile being physical... so its going to be a dead slot for a LARGE portion of it. and given its not being consumed regularly, and that it doesn't scale into aoe like say.... any stat essence... its dps component is also inferior to other essences
aegis can be very powerful, but its a bad choice compared to others if you're not constantly in combat with 6+ targets, so it requires you to play around that. including pulling mobs into bosses so you maintain the high stacks
if you arn't theres no real point, even on teeming fort weeks bosses will take up such a large portion of your time itll be a dead slot
modest bridge
what would you pick for aegis if you dont have conflict yet on 3 or would you run conflict even on 2 thenor use stuff like formelss void?
stark ruin
Sphere is great
modest bridge
Okay always got told that its shit
left hatch
whoever told you that has no clue what they're talking about lol
6 free haste gems
is big value
modest bridge
pretty much only tank in guild running m+ so yeah
If i may other maybe trival question Raden trinket 460 or wrathion 475 - running wration since higher uptime
left hatch
eh the 3 less stacks makes it a less lucrative pick
stark ruin
What's the other alot?
stark ruin
You have 2 trinkets, I'd probably run both
modest bridge
my current gear setup
left hatch
tbh id drop psychic shell
its a fantastic trinket
but unless you know exactly what you're using it against
stark ruin
Me too
left hatch
NEED it to live
and need it on cd
double haste is better
same theory as lucid major, you have to plan around it to get best use outta it, and braindead proc picks will be more valuable if you arn't
modest bridge
always tried it but sometimes i get anhilated espically sots with those water blasts this week
left hatch
it shouldn't be a band-aid fix for poor CC/interrupts
and like we were talking about using Null for just zul at the end of KR
ionic fern
I like Shell in m+, ngl...especially when running with PuG's as i got no idea what they are capable of.
left hatch
its... not ideal to run something just to answer 1-2 specific packs in 1 dungeon
yeh if you're in a group with poor coordination for sure
but also remember to pop it on cd
ionic fern
This was in TD 19 last night with a PuG.
ionic fern
Yeah , if you don't use it effectively any on-use trinket will become worse. 👀
still pagoda
it is better to never have situations were additional oh shit button is needed
left hatch
so yeh tldr fantastic trinket. but plan around it or use a haste trink
and if you have to pick between vita and scale.... usually vita is the go to because the stat budget is very high
ionic fern
Just pull bigger to make those "Oh shit" buttons needed.
left hatch
but in the case of 15 ilvls... im not sure
ionic fern
modest bridge
yeah everytime i pull 6 + mobs the freak out and leave key and blame me as tank that i should do small pulls cause they cant stop ae dmg 🙄
still pagoda
yeah everytime i pull 6 + mobs the freak out and leave key and blame me as tank that i should do small pulls cause they cant stop ae dmg 🙄
@modest bridge |
I'm in identical situation
though it is much worse here in lower keys
ionic fern
We did a +20 ML yesterday and did a big pull at the start with lust.
I was wondering why we were extending the debuff all the time on that pull until we all died..then i noticed the fire mage writing "I'm sorry..my combust was ticking like 150k all the time".
stark ruin
Last time we had bursting I managed to wipe a party on the sludges in workshop on my monk alt
errant oriole
so what would be a good replacement if i dont have COS for miner?
stark ruin
I was the only one sirviving
errant oriole
minor*
left hatch
Lucid, Sphere, Str
stark ruin
And they were like "you can't do 5 stacks"
errant oriole
what if... u dont have sphere? lol
left hatch
go get it?
stark ruin
Get sphere?
still pagoda
go get it
left hatch
its less than an hour to get r1
stark ruin
It takes an hour
left hatch
and thats all you need
errant oriole
alright thanks 😛
stark ruin
🙂
ionic fern
Bursting is just one of those horrible PuG weeks, especially on the 10-15 key level because DPS players for some reason are not able to stop hitting their buttons for a few seconds to avoid extending the debuff.
😦
left hatch
hey, it takes a true bigbrain to also turn around so TD procs don't obliterate packs
dps arn't capable of such things
i should know cause i main DPS now and im incapable of it
stark ruin
"Oh I hope this execute won't crit and extend bursting... Ooooops" - any dps warrior in a key
still pagoda
and every second key is like this
errant oriole
apparently ive been on that quest lmao sorry guys
stark ruin
I had a lock doing 22k in a 15 last week
sweet summit
Execute barely deals damage man
left hatch
its ok. i despise pvp and put off getting CnS till hte last 4 weeks of S3
stark ruin
The other lock was doing 90k
left hatch
so i feel your pain
stark ruin
I don't play fury or arms, so I wouldn't know
fresh loom
Are there any professions that give anything worthwhile to a new Prot War or are they all inconsequential?
left hatch
a lock doing decent dps overall? that's like a unicorn
Alch/Ench is a good moneymaker
stark ruin
He was doing 200k first 30 seconds on bosses
left hatch
Engi can give you an early 475 helm
otherwise eh
look at what benefits they'll give in shadowlands and pick what buffs you wanna get for 'free'
since every prof will have buff type items
fresh loom
Thanks - will probably go for Engi just for the fun-factor
still pagoda
@stark ruin i've seen so many such people already
DH's with only 25k DPS in 470 gear
UhDK's who don't do anything
useless ferals
and so on
left hatch
it really blows my mind how some dps can be that low... like... are you just not hitting your buttons?
):
still pagoda
like
left hatch
don't even need to hit the right buttons, just be hitting A BUTTON
and you could do more
modest bridge
most response i get its tanks fault for not telling them when to pop cds haha
still pagoda
kek
rugged vale
lol
left hatch
that could be a big part of it... too many dps hold onto the 'i pop CD on bosses only' mindset
when i more or less just pop it on cd
only a 3 target pull? fuck it im meta-ing
rugged vale
I used to struggle with when to pop CD's and found myself hoarding them for the longest time. Honestly I think refusing to learn that is one of the biggest things holding many people back
still pagoda
exactly
left hatch
I'd agree a lot of ppl are like that. worrying too much about finding "big value" CD times
left hatch
'oh but in 7 pulls were gonna make a double pull. i need to have it up for that'
still pagoda
you can learn any spec on a better level in one hour
left hatch
and then some ppl honestly just care about boss dps for some reason
still pagoda
except for healers
left hatch
"oh its tyranical ONLY boss dps matters"
still pagoda
Bolstering-Explosive week: Exists
left hatch
Freehold-exists
still pagoda
KR: Exists
left hatch
tbh every dungeon but Workshop
still pagoda
TD: Exists
left hatch
still has a stupid amount of trash
left hatch
that'll make up the majority of enemy hp to burn through
left hatch
just makes me sad when you see the odd dps that links their barely on top ST dps on the last boss
and are 30k+ behind in overall
they want that cookie so damn badly
still pagoda
and they're ahead on last boss only because of heroism
left hatch
and have been sitting on their cds for 10 mins (:
still pagoda
honestly
they need to introduce late Legion fury back
it will show how many people are stupid
In one day
since holding to CD's was a mistake worse than death on it
bronze rapids
how much corruption is viable on prot warr? i gonna test to tank m+15 - 16 with 58
left hatch
if yo'ure used to it anything below 60
ionic fern
Anything below 59 or 39 depending on if you wanna play the RNG game with Thing from Beyond or not.
left hatch
but its a comfort level with yourself and your healer
bronze rapids
should i search a combination under 40 for doesnt have to deal with coppys or may I abuse Ignore pain to mitigate copys?
ionic fern
You should use Spell Reflect & Fear & Stun to deal with it.
left hatch
SR, Stormbolt, Shockwave, Intimidating shout
bronze rapids
can i use spel reflect to mitigate corruption copy?
ionic fern
Yes.
left hatch
defelcts it
bronze rapids
omg thats amazing TY ^^
sick sentinel
lately seeing people pull matron alma in waycrest in ceiling, it s because the decaying touch sr? or just rnd pull?
left hatch
shes always been able to pull through from the courtyard
TD just makes it more likely
also has a nasty habit of pulling fucking everything and its mother in TD (the dungeon) as well (:
sick sentinel
ok ty
still pagoda
TD can make a lot of mess
left hatch
but tbf both of those messes existed long before TD was a thing
still pagoda
just face away from walls with it and hope that your DPS don't face them either
yea
left hatch
the amount of mobs that got knocked into the wall by a RoP in TD
and pulled. every. goddamn. mob. all the way down
-_-
still pagoda
honestly
lime monolith
Anyone else play Undead?
left hatch
on the bright side the 3 dungeons weve seen do'nt have much in the way of stacked layers or paper walls
ionic fern
Undead are a dead race..pun intended.
still pagoda
^
left hatch
only a pug killing Lost Woods style maze (:
lean arch
Implying there won't be clusterfucks of dungeons in sl
left hatch
im sure there will be
main vault
The ones we have seen so far look....different