😂
#protection
brittle owl
chilly brook
Literally hate it
chilly brook
5 second duration is aids
left hatch
becomes times to fall asleep
or fight that off
BrM makes raid tanking even more boring
maiden ravine
I mean there's a balance between super slow(feral) and Always be Casting of the casters.
brittle owl
abc isnt just casters 🤔
left hatch
id say its the opposite...?
undone sun
a lot of melee are ABC
left hatch
feral is a lot more active with second per second gameplay
and casters you have a good 1s+ between you hitting a button
and it doing the thing
maiden ravine
I'll admit, the only feral build I go is the stupid one that maximizes energy, but I know the proper feral builds in the past have felt super slow to me
left hatch
ill admit i don't have a ton of experience on all the melee specs... but at the very least WW, HDH, Fury, enhancement are all ABC's
and UH dk is just weird
so we don't talk about them
maiden ravine
might be confusing it with Legion Feral.
brittle owl
another half hour
maiden ravine
Like at one point in Legion feral was down to about 30 APM
brittle owl
still no defensive build strategy from @cosmic canyon 😦
hallow phoenix
no boolie
brittle owl
bye thyme
undone sun
🤦♂️
maiden ravine
I didn't do as many keys on alts this week, but I raided more.
Finally got AotC, so I can PUG a bit more easily on my healers.
chilly brook
Maybe we did bully him away but he didn't seem like he was willing to listen anyways
maiden ravine
Heroic Vexiona is so boring to tank if you aren't doing adds
left hatch
iv been doing this weird strat where we swap and alterante phases
so we share the love
maiden ravine
I didn't mind cause it was legit my first time seeing the fight as tank so I was okay being told, "You stand in a corner and just clear your stacks once"
left hatch
and yeh... idk he didn't seem keen on giving any specifics over his CnS scenario
but oh well
chilly brook
Tbh I've been doing this weird strat of running IT x 3 with CR x 3 as well as Bloodsport x 3 with Undying Gift major
Cuz y'know defensive>damage
maiden ravine
healed n'zoth, and I just wanna say, Aggramar and Argus were harder fights on heroic than Carapace and N'zoth were.
left hatch
or Stam flasks + Anima
maiden ravine
Hell, the last 2 fights of HFC were harder
left hatch
thats a big one iv seen is more stam = best defense
which is an unfortunate hill to die on
chilly brook
Nzoth is honestly just down to pathing
left hatch
^ that and a dps check
maiden ravine
yeah
chilly brook
Dont know how much mythic changes that
maiden ravine
Oof, I have bad memories of the dps checks on Argus
chilly brook
But it's definitely zzzzzzzzz
Argus was awesome though
Buffs 
One of the most enjoyable fights imo
left hatch
not me (:
chilly brook
Or the dead guy who was greedy and wanted the buff in the pizza slice
left hatch
more likely me
maiden ravine
that feeling when you ended up with 4 stacks knowing the group wasn't gonna get it
I think a good clear you only got like 2
chilly brook
Anyways, time to take my toxic booty offline
left hatch
begone you booli
maiden ravine
Kinda sad we may never get a WoD or Legion TW raid.
Next up should be MoP which has to be Throne of Thunder
left hatch
i don't see why we wouldn't get more TW content
maiden ravine
Well it's tough to sure they'll be stuff like that in 3-4 years when WoD would get a TW raid, though I'm still one to believe WoW will never die with EQ 1 still releasing yearly expansions
left hatch
given they have 3 xpacs (i thi nk) planned out in advance
i doubt itll go away anytime soon
maiden ravine
They have a loose idea of the story of 10.0 and 11.0 but I doubt they have exact zones
Like WoD at the start of MoP was supposed to just be garrosh rezzing the warlords in our Outland
Then they decided to just do the time travel shenanigans
orchid frigate
is memory of lucid dreams a trap for m+ as major unless you dont push high keys?
maiden ravine
Yes
You only take lucid major if there's pulls you absolutely won't survive without it
orchid frigate
ah ok
wicked rover
Should I be prioritising searing flames over any of the other good corruptions for mythic+?
maiden ravine
And there's no pulls like that for 99% of keys
SF is okay if you have nothing else
Otherwise you want TD
wicked rover
yeah thought so, thanks
12th week of M+ since being back and not seen a TD drop yet
orchid frigate
ugh
maiden ravine
Have you been doing your weekly mask runs in horrific visions?
wicked rover
yeah, usually 5, 4 and 3
but only been running them for about 4 weeks now
maybe 3
maiden ravine
That's some rough luck, TD likes to drop like candy
ionic fern
@orchid frigate getting the max out of Lucid also means that you should plan the whole dungeon/pulls around this ontop of playing it correctly via not wasting any rage it provides.
orchid frigate
i got a TD3 early on the season on a HC ring. havent been able to replace it since
maiden ravine
If truly chasing it you can start doing every ring wq
orchid frigate
thanks for the lucid input guys
ionic fern
I got 445 TD legs from Visions..and i'm using them over my 475 ones cause you know..TD.
wicked rover
The only other viable corruption I've had is echoing void on 445 boots, again I got those really early on
orchid frigate
ev was really nice pre-nerf
wicked rover
still does a significant damage for me (not sure when the nerf was)
maiden ravine
Anyone horde na know how long darkshore is up still? Hopefully like 20 hours, but I bet it's 10 or something
orchid frigate
have some ev on my bear. feels like its a good aoe threat thing or im just good at pressing swipe
maiden ravine
EV is solid damage with enough of it, it's just not td
orchid frigate
mhm
maiden ravine
Certainly is more consistent
wicked rover
Yeah it feels comfy, not that I've had a TD to compare it to. Hopefully next week
ionic fern
Gotta be honest.
When i started tanking then ninja pulling helped me improve a TON regarding making me realize that "Oh..i can actually pull bigger even though i was scared to do it myself".
😂
maiden ravine
I'm usually pretty good at pacing myself based on my dps and healer
Like I'll know within a few pulls if I can trust my dps to dodge crap
still pagoda
i usually do few small pulls first to see what's up with dps
and then just adjust depending on them
orchid frigate
same here karton
maiden ravine
I to this day have dps that aren't ready to just run from the caster lieutenant
maiden ravine
Like if you're killing that one everyone is using it as a skip to let the scarabs just die on their own
But always just one dps that doesn't realize what's happening
orchid frigate
yepp
like when you try to move away with the blob
and theres one dps left behind fighting tentacles on his own
still pagoda
most dps peeps in lower keys don't go after blob at all
They just want those tentacles badly
maiden ravine
Well the tentacles slow and do damage
still pagoda
yea
i just prefer taking blob to the place right away
since it barely does damage to tank
orchid frigate
yupp
i can think of at least one case where you want to los tentacles and that is when blob is at stairs in WCM
still pagoda
i was kinda experimenting with routing of obelisks before Vol'kaal recently. Honestly, but Dratnos's solution for those 2 obelisks and pack before the boss is somewhat suboptimal since you can easily skip that trash pack without death runs
orchid frigate
i do as in your route
wicked rover
I also do the same
orchid frigate
i like when you tell dps to pull away trash before last obelisk and they insist on running into the trash and then try to kite them
ofc instantly dying
must be that they think they have to build threat or something
sick sentinel
@still pagoda that route blows
still pagoda
?
orchid frigate
dont think he gives them much thought nowadays
flat jackal
I think his routes are suboptimal because most of the players using it aren’t used to the very efficient complex moves.
Most players using it are playing lower keys where safer is often better
still pagoda
deathrunning pack after Vol'kaal is suboptimal anyway
you can skip it with obelisks and pull pack on the side
flat jackal
Mhm
still pagoda
one less caster - less shit)
strong forum
These routes aren't meant for pushing, they're just a general idea for the average player
orchid frigate
mhm
hearty portal
Should I get the essence, vision of perfection? If I'm going to tank M+?
ionic fern
Yes. It's one of the best overall essence for m+.
still pagoda
These routes aren't meant for pushing, they're just a general idea for the average player
@strong forum
Yet a lot of them are relatively complicated for pugs in lower keys. Or just overdoing trash, not skipping some parts. Yes, they're great starting points(except for AD and SotS routes IMO), but as experience comes, you can slowly modify them to your own playstyle and possible skips you've discovered)
And I only need to run Mechagon to get it?
@hearty portal
Yes, then again, the M+ runs
it will take only 2 hours at max
to get R3
hearty portal
what? 🤔
upper violet
if ur doing any key it garenteed drops i think
upper violet
so its really quick if u spam low keys
still pagoda
just do 3-4 keys and you're done with r3 VoP
upper violet
and as a tank its ez to get in grps so ur good
upper violet
only workshop/junkyard
still pagoda
Strength of the Warden is the one from visions
VoP is literally Run few workshop keys
hearty portal
Jesus chirst.. there is so much shit you have to do to even become semi usuable in this content
hearty portal
well, I mean gl getting groups without good essences etc
upper violet
most useful essences are easy to get
hearty portal
more my point 😛
still pagoda
and you can just jump into M0's and then inot keys
upper violet
most ppl dont rly look at ur essences
still pagoda
most ppl dont rly look at ur essences [2]
upper violet
unless ur at very high content but for mid lower keys nobody looks
still pagoda
in lower keys no one looks at anything
upper violet
ionic fern
You have one big advantage - and that is you're playing a tank..probably the least popular role in WoW. So people will take almost any tank they can find, especially in lower keys.
still pagoda
amber siren
depends who you ask
still pagoda
You have one big advantage - and that is you're playing a tank..probably the least popular role in WoW. So people will take almost any tank they can find, especially in lower keys.
@ionic fern
Though trying to find a tank spot in raid teams on my realm(Gordunni-EU) rn is much harder than it was back in Antorus
upper violet
??????
still pagoda
most guilds already have their stable tanks
amber siren
that doesn't really mean a lot, m+ is scaled with each patch
ionic fern
It again depends who do you ask.
remote dawn
VoP or Luicd for 21 Keys ? this push week for 2-3 pack pulls?
still pagoda
lower keys: 2-15
higher keys: 20+
still pagoda
mid bracket is one hell of a change from lower key bullshit
ionic fern
Zzzz, mate don't try to pull comparissons. :')
+10's are easy in general as long as you know what you're doing.
still pagoda
^
upper violet
u cant compare so much changed
still pagoda
so much changed that comparison is impossible
hearty portal
Haha usually changes makes it harder/easier
My go to assumption (You can correct me here) is that it got easier
since you got essences and way more traits
and corruptions etc
still pagoda
it just scaled up
ionic fern
@remote dawn depends on the dungeon.
It's Tyrannical week and Bolstering/Explosive prevent you from doing giga pulls (in most scenarios) regardless so Lucid loses some of its value.
still pagoda
It's already next reset for US. That guy probably talks of new week's affixes
ionic fern
Oh, right..US.
still pagoda
since it's bursting/vulcanic now
not for us here tho
waiting till 10AM GMT+3 tomorrow
amber siren
US hasnt reset yet
remote dawn
@ionic fern yea i know but next week volcanic and bursting
lucid okay?
for 3 pack pulls
ionic fern
Still depends on the dungeon + your group.
For trash heavy dungeons that allow big pulls (FH,ML,WM etc) you can run Lucid if you're comfortable with it.
It's not a "must run lucid" but more of a "Which pulls am i doing? Am i doing big pulls every 2m? Do i have a DPS thats CD also aligns with this? Will my healer actually do something useful once i pop Lucid?" etc.
hearty portal
Btw another question, does azerite traits change when you chose another spec?
or do you have to manually respec it?
ionic fern
Manually respec @hearty portal .
hearty portal
Okay
remote dawn
and rest you run VoP also on 21/22 keys?
still pagoda
or do you have to manually respec it?
@hearty portal
Get second set for another spec
much better solution
i have 3(prot, Arms PvE and PvP)
hearty portal
Currently using pretty much everything that increases my itemlevel
ionic fern
For me specifically i'd probably run Lucid in
FH,ML,WM, maybe ToS also.
ionic fern
But you can run VoP in those dungeons as well. 🤷
remote dawn
kk^^
still pagoda
Definitely not a thing to run with pugs
ionic fern
Lucid is fun to play tho, i enjoy it.
still pagoda
i may try it as keys progress
ionic fern
But fun != viability.
still pagoda
since there is no place for it in lower keys)
ionic fern
You can still test it.
Running it the first time you'll probably waste like 80% of the extra rage.
😂
sudden kayak
is this still true from wow head were the highest tank
sudden kayak
sweet i only got 1 character boost and made prot warrior hell yea son
ionic fern
👍
main vault
tbf though, if you are just now boosting, you wont do any level of content where it matters
upper violet
ok buzzkill
upper violet
he can still do keys
still pagoda
tier lists are irrelevant yet a lot of idiots refer to them even in lower keys
main vault
Sad but true
main vault
Warlocks are only for weekly no leavers don’t you know
upper violet
oblique garnet
I mean im not taking a single warlock to anything higher than a 15
main vault
If we went by tier lists there wouldn’t be a Monk #1 or a Bear #4
oblique garnet
but thats just bad experience
main vault
😆
vast plaza
hey all, trying to learn the routes for 10+ dungeons as tank
ive been looking at MDT routes for dungeons but it seems hard to find up to date routes. Any resources?
I have a rough idea thanks to my time DPSing these dungeons but want something a bit more solid to look at
main vault
The r.io routes are the best starting points if you are pugging
Everyone memes Dratnos but he has a generally good idea of dungeons tbh
vast plaza
Seems like a good starting point, thanks
main vault
Anything you get from top players are going to be their routes based on their team
still pagoda
yet a lot of them are overcomplicated or not utilizing all gimmicks. Good starting idea, but as you get more experience with dungeons and if your brain is not a vegetable, you'll definitely modify them easily
vast plaza
Thanks
main vault
Yeah but you can’t expect a 10 pug to know what’s going on
If I tried to snap a pull in AD 3 out of 5 would fall
And the other would just stand on the bridge not knowing what’s going on
still pagoda
rogue/mage skip of Vol'kaal pack in lower keys with pugs who don't know how to do this
not terrible
like
you can easily optimize 2 obelisks instead of that meme of a skip
pack with one caster instead of 2
main vault
iirc he has two routes, one for a group that uses skips and one that doesn’t
amber siren
I mean you can meme using two obelisks to get to vol'kaal but the double honour guard pack is extremely ineffecient
still pagoda
more efficient than wasting time explaining how to skip those packs to pug rogue/mage 10 times in a row during the dungeon and 5 minutes before it
main vault
I’ve never been in a dungeon I’ve had to explain more than a couple times
main vault
That’s cause Alliance is just scraps at this point
main vault
I made an Alliance toon once just for fun, to get a different view
Amazed at how just empty to ally side is in lfg
main vault
The only people that are horde at this point either can’t afford it or are just hard headed
And it’s not even about racials or anything anymore
ionic fern
I'm still alliance.
still pagoda
back in Legion i've got 5-6 raid tank spot offers few hours after posting my recruitment memo on server forum(Gordunni-EU)
still pagoda
nowadays... I had to scramble wowprogress again, though back then i had 5/11M Antorus as a tank and here i had no mythic raiding exp past Uldir and BoD and no N'Zoth kill yet
main vault
That’s like $330
still pagoda
found spot as a DPS tho
That’s like $330
@main vault
100-200 hours of grind for me
since i would probably just server and faction transfer my warrior and level up other chars again
still pagoda
closer to SL
main vault
Would have been fine in Legion
main vault
Oh yeah like if I found an Ally guild at this point I’d just level a few toons
still pagoda
i haven't seen any KR in lfg in 3 days
like
i've joined a 3/12M raiding guild for now
as DPS warrior
thorny mauve
what level KR you looking for?
main vault
I’ve been leveling toons to try stuff out for SL, since I’m going DPS
Been averaging like 30ish hours to 120
thorny mauve
there have been a bunch
main vault
And that’s enjoying it
still pagoda
but will slowly but surely move over to EU horde
upper violet
enjoying leveling
thorny mauve
I have done the same moving over to horde
upper violet
actual psycho
still pagoda
English-speaking since i don't want to encounter endless raid drama chains that occur on a monthly basis in guilds on RU servers
had a really shitty experience with this already
upper violet
its not ur lot its our loot
still pagoda
loot dramas, dramas involving "WHO SHOULD RAID LEAD SINCE OUR RL IS SHIT", just general "WTF YOU'RE AN ELITIST" shit
and so on
main vault
I thought all Russians are elitist
still pagoda
depends
you can have literal morons; actual elitist twats who brag while doing nothing; me, a person who is just burned out of all that RU alliance bullshit and wants to move over to EU horde; just humble people and so on
we're literally like the rest of EU
just more toxic
top ally guild on Ravencrest is Russian exclusive too
Nomeratur reminded me of them
though their main raid team moved over to horde on Twisting Nether
main vault
So the top Ally guild is just the scraps and alts of another guild now?
still pagoda
that i dunno
but technically scraps
faction merge would be a great thing at that point
main vault
Well whatever toons they didn’t need/want
still pagoda
since balance is already fucked to the point of playing ally being a hindrance
main vault
Yeah players are so skewed
still pagoda
it would integrate few horde guilds on Gordunni-EU(yes, those exist here. On a second biggest EU alliance hub) into whole grid and give all EU ally players bigger lfg pull
main vault
Isn’t the second biggest Ally server Russian?
strong forum
The biggest guilds from ravencrest (the last bastion of EU alliance top mythic raiders) swapped to horde.
main vault
I’ll just believe that’s the server you’ve been saying
strong forum
Over the last 2 tiers
main vault
Since I obviously can’t read that name
still pagoda
The biggest guilds from ravencrest (the last bastion of EU alliance top mythic raiders) swapped to horde.
@strong forum
There is also Black Lotus on Gordunni(93rd world kill of N'Zoth mythic), but they're in dire need of healers rn
main vault
It’s too 100 of Ally
strong forum
Top 100 ally
main vault
So those in the 300s world are prolly HoF
still pagoda
well, that's how EU ally works
main vault
*ally
still pagoda
the problem is in semi-hardcore/"half of mythic" guilds here
main vault
That’s all raiding though
Guilds have saturated themselves so much good players are split
Because Johnny didn’t give them that offhand and bob made fun of them
still pagoda
the more time goes, the more of them split and die, the less people you see here playing and the less possibilities you can have
top guilds are sitting in their places tightly, yet RU alliance is dying since late Legion
as a whole
EU ally is probably DOA by now
ionic fern
Depends on how high end you want to raid. There's plenty of semi-casual guilds. but if you are looking for a more serious commitment then you should definitely go horde.
M+ scene is also pretty solid for alliance tbh.
Atleast from my experience.
still pagoda
i've found a pretty chill raiding guild for me in the current state of things(since i don't want to do high end raiding like i did before quiting WoW during summer of 2019. For now at least), but they are struggling with recruiting currently
mild ore
is warden major the best essence to pad dps in dungeons?
main vault
Hardly
strong forum
No, that would be formless void and stealing bote or beam
Or just straight up vop
Warden major is hardly a dps increase unless you get lucky with having atleast 1 TD during every proc
still pagoda
it's a 50% for 6 seconds
not so effective
since it is also on 2 minute cd
Yeah I’m fine being casual
@main vault
I'm fine being casual in raids too(for now at least. Maybe will build up back again), but as time goes, the less opportunities here is
M+ lfg is scarce tho :(
main vault
It’s scarce in US too
still pagoda
mostly 14-15 rn since my rio is low, but really want to progress further
ionic fern
I've never experienced it being scarce ..i see keys in all levels.
Then again, i don't know how it is on Horde so i don't really have a comparisson.
main vault
Need to level up a couple Ally toons just for new zones I guess
I have like 1-2 classes left to try to out fully decide on main/alt for SL
autumn pendant
I do pug keys at 10-11pm
still people do 15+
can find at elast 5 19-20 keys at that time too
still pagoda
Picture Ally x10-15
It's only 2PM here.
upper violet
ionic fern
👀
I might be inclined to swap sides for SL.
still pagoda
@autumn pendant That's the exact. I usually see around 6-7 14's, few 15's(in which i can't get an invite due to me having only 1465 rio rn(and this week being terrible for pug runs and keys i need for time for 50-60 rio) and 2-3 20's at around 6-11PM
👀
Same
...
since having abundance of pug groups to choose is much better tbh
still pagoda
ye
autumn pendant
so more groups will be on
still pagoda
next week is the farm week for me
main vault
One week doesn’t make a difference lol
autumn pendant
When week is piss easy it does
main vault
No it doesn’t
still pagoda
that i've got that time around
autumn pendant
And people are more likely to take you
main vault
So If you are Ally you get to play like 2-3 weeks a season?
still pagoda
people are less picky for rio on easy weeks
main vault
Big fun
still pagoda
So If you are Ally you get to play like 2-3 weeks a season?
Not so
main vault
What difference does one week make when debating to faction swap then?
autumn pendant
Ally is still pretty active m+ wise
still pagoda
but you get much less timed keys on hard weeks
since there's less keys in lfg and more morons who don't know how to tab on orbs
🤣
main vault
I guess it depends what you call active
When compared to horde, Ally is a ghost town
It’s dreadful
autumn pendant
Im just saying my experience in m+ and that if he has harder time he still needs to get better score but groups are less strict during easy weeks
still pagoda
6-7 14's, few 15's(in which i can't get an invite due to me having only 1465 rio rn(and this week being terrible for pug runs and keys i need for time for 50-60 rio) and 2-3 20's at around 6-11PM
ionic fern
I'd guess that would be the case in Horde as well tho. 🤔
Once you get to the higher escalons of keys people will become more decent and you will be running the high keys mostly with the same people over and over again.
still pagoda
i shall requote myself
ionic fern
Like 20+ you have a handful of people on Alliance EU side and you'll get to know most of them.
Which makes it actually pretty comfortable to pug.
👀
still pagoda
11PM GMT+3(Moscow, Krasnodar, SPB, FINLAND) is basically 8PM for Paris
autumn pendant
Mostly if you perform well in keys like 19-21, people will whisper you again
so you create that tight community amongst yourselfs
still pagoda
people whisper me in keys from time to time here in lower bracket hell
autumn pendant
but def ally isnt ghost town for m +
main vault
Yeah at the 6-11pm timerange on horde there are probably 20-40 keys at a time pugging 18+
autumn pendant
At least not EU
ionic fern
It's not a ghost town but it probably is not comparable to Horde.
still pagoda
^
ionic fern
Just from a numbers perspective.,
main vault
Yeah it definitely isn’t
still pagoda
not great, not terrible
still pagoda
just worse and worse with each year
main vault
Ally on both US and EU is probably 10-20% of the numbers of Horde
still pagoda
especially with 15-20% of Ally HoF being from one Russian server
just delete alliance and merge everyone into horde by that time
you can also see a huge organizational gap between horde and ally guilds
orchid frigate
ugh my weak aura that keeps track of crystals somehow misfunctioned and i spent forever finding the last crystals ive already looted
ionic fern
I mean, PvP already has the option to que as the opposite side ..so i don't see a reason why m+ shouldn't have the same possibility.
still pagoda
since a lot of horde ones get CE with only 2 raids a week
orchid frigate
yeah would be super if you could mercinary m+
main vault
You know ally is sad when the MDI teams don’t even play Ally
still pagoda
while here on Gordunni-EU for example, you have a lot of guilds(most guilds who progressed past 4-5/12M) who tryhard 4-5 days a week and can't clear even past 2/3 of the raid
You know ally is sad when the MDI teams don’t even play Ally
@main vault
Play, but just for NE meld
still pagoda
no spacegoat heal crit shenanigans
sick sentinel
We honestly should get rid of the faction separation, it only takes away from the game nowadays
still pagoda
^
main vault
It will never happen
sick sentinel
At least, let players play PvE content together
It makes sense lorewise too to have ally/horde groups together in PvE
orchid frigate
what is most mementos, 5-mask with the risk of missing a couple of chests/crystals or 4-mask and get all crystals + chests?
ionic fern
Jep.
Especially since most of the connections people get currently for WoW is not coming from in game but from places like Discord..and that means that there's a higher chance that you have different factions.
still pagoda
even with all the fucked up retcons and broken lore chain, ally and horde signed the armistice in the end of BFA
sick sentinel
Yeah all factions do for me is get annoying when you have friends on the other side
still pagoda
so WHY NOT
90% of my friends play alliance
yet they barely do raids and M+(i understand them. Not everyone enjoys being a PvE crab)
fair sapphire
but then you have to pass on that sweet sweet transfer $$
fair sapphire
they have been in for short term gain ever since 2008, I can only see major uproar changing faction boundaries
and I am optimistic as it will happen since trend is for alliance to shrink
main vault
Tbf even in long term they more money from the shop
orchid frigate
but first of all we should be able to buy corruption with the new currency
main vault
First of all they should delete corruption
main vault
Yes
strong forum
Geez
ionic fern
There are a ton of guilds that are 3-5 days on alliance side that don't get CE.
main vault
There are guilds still progressing normal
ionic fern
Or get it at the really-really end of the tier.
still pagoda
Wait there's guilds raiding 4-5 days that can't get CE
@strong forum
A shitton of them
welcome to EU ally
ionic fern
So the time commitment != reward.
still pagoda
^
strong forum
Hey I got 2 CE on EU alliance with 2 day raiding
still pagoda
organization = reward
ionic fern
still pagoda
like... I raided in 4 day guilds before and was near getting CE once(Uldir. Guild broke up after 600 pulls. Though we got G'Huun to 2%...)
strong forum
And I would love to go back to alliance but you only get one good player out of a dozen if at all
still pagoda
but i'm usually stuck in "half of mythic" state
strong forum
And straight up having 10x more on horde increases those chances
still pagoda
^
sweet summit
Smile
upper violet
lmao
still pagoda
sweet summit
Baloo is never wrong
still pagoda
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/20128764?zone=17&new=true
Honestly, even though i've got better progress in Uldir and BoD while playing mage, Antorus is still the tier i adored
sweet summit
Wait what
strong forum
(idk who baloo is)
still pagoda
Horde is mudhuts [2]
sweet summit
upper violet
smorc
still pagoda
WAAAGGGH
ionic fern
👀
still pagoda
👀
ionic fern
I think i'll pass the offer but thanks.
- maybe i'm horrible at the game.
Maybe i'm not good enough for your guild.
autumn pendant
but mate almost 6/12 mythic
ionic fern
last gazelle
Current guild is 9/12 mythic 2 days of raid for only 2hr 30min a day
still pagoda
since most guilds here progress through just putting more time into pulls instead of careful organisation
sweet summit
When did #protection turn into #promotion
autumn pendant
throw bodies till it dies
main vault
I had a guild contact me
main vault
Said they raided 8-11, but they start “sometime around 8 and end sometimes around 11”
Hard pass
brittle owl
did the also raid around 3 days a week
still pagoda
we raid 9-12 on weekends... Though last rt didn't even get over seeing only 14 of us in the raid...
main vault
The times were fine
But sometimes they don’t do first pull til 9
And end early
Not changing my life for that
brittle owl
wouldn't chage my life for any guild tbh
still pagoda
wouldn't chage my life for any guild tbh [2]
brittle owl
nah
main vault
It’s adding a scheduled event multiple times a week
brittle owl
i compartimentalize my gaming time
main vault
Absolutely is
brittle owl
it just means that i have 2 slots in my time that i dedicate to wow
still pagoda
Committing to raid times is changing your life
@main vault
You know. My life is a life of constant schedules already
brittle owl
time thst was otherwise dedicated to gaming anyway
still pagoda
adding another 2-3 "dates" is easy
main vault
Yeah adding dates is fine
But to not see it as a change in your life
I may be weird, but I see my committed raid time as just as important as any other appointments
brittle owl
i mean it is i guess
ionic fern
I mean it depends.
If they are playing at those times anyways then it doesn't really matter since they will just be doing raids then.
still pagoda
know what
brittle owl
but if that commitment comes in a time frame that would be occupied already
main vault
Sure
brittle owl
not much change
still pagoda
they convert WoW tokens to rubles at a much lower price than any other currency
main vault
But outside of a holiday/bday etc
still pagoda
main vault
What is someone just asked you to hang out during that time
Or wanted to go to a movie or something
ionic fern
Easily do it.
Raid tanking is "Taunt on 2 stacks" anyways.
brittle owl
i have my go out dates
ionic fern
😂
still pagoda
so i won't be able to just frontload move of my warrior to Twisting Nether horde from Gordunni ally with amount of time i'm willing to dedicate to gold farming
brittle owl
my work schedule is hectic anyway
main vault
Yeah mine is very concrete
brittle owl
i can't member last time i went out during the week
still pagoda
mine is relatively concrete
brittle owl
oh shit 3rd shift
main vault
I’m not 3rd shift
Yeah I expect 5 hours of sleep
As long as aid ends at 11 I am fine getting up at 4
brittle owl
i start work anywhere between 8 and 11 and end anywhere between 16 and 19:30 😂
main vault
We work in two man teams at work, and my guy got sent home yesterday until he gets tested for corona
brittle owl
i also have 3 evenings during the week that are autolocked for working out/sports in general
main vault
His son had direct contact with a teacher at daycare that tested positive
brittle owl
ouch
still pagoda
i study from 8:30 to 15:20-16:20 usually, but constant trips home and back take additional 1.5 hours each
main vault
💀
still pagoda
so i usually wake up at 6:30 and get home around 6PM
brittle owl
commute life just means 2+3 hours of shitposting on disc
main vault
Lol
brittle owl
every.single.day
main vault
I work like 8min from home
strong forum
30min with 🚲 💪
still pagoda
this is basically how life is going on when you study in town and live in the village
brittle owl
old workplace depending on hour i could end up getting there as fast as 20 mins or as slow as 2 hours
which drove me insane
quick elk
I have managed to to 20% leech and a TD rank 2 for 42 corruption without sacrificing too much else. Was thinking of running it in a +18 motherload with it, for rixxa. do you guys think its worth it? or should i just take a defensive trinket to help out with the tyrannical dmg
ionic fern
Do you have literally no other corruption available outside of Leech and that lone TD?
ionic fern
In general leech corruption is underwhelming compared to other options out there.
quick elk
have rank 3 tds, surging vitality , which i use most of the time. just always find rixxa quite tense.
ionic fern
Rixxa is not that hard if you know how to deal with her.
Spell Reflect and CD rotating between you & your group members makes her a joke in most keys.
main vault
Let’s say it’s 50k
That means 10k leech
That won’t make the difference in you living or dying
Considering your alternatives
quick elk
thats a fair point, the leech healing is only going to be high on trash . thanks
I think i may be handing her wrong, im basically trying to build up as much rage to keep ignorepains up
and SR on cooldown
ionic fern
So this is how it goes:
Rixxa targets 2 closest members with the debuff.
First rotation:
1)You SR + DPS gets dispelled
2)You get Dispelled + DPS CD's
3)You SR + DPS gets dispelled
4)You get dispelled + DPS CD's
5)....
You see how it goes. You can also use your CD's if you can't get dispelled like SW etc.
sick sentinel
Or you fat finger and forget to SR :^)
ionic fern
Even easier if you're a Dwarf since you can also Dwarf racial it.
quick elk
oh damn, i have never understood this fight at all. its the debuff that is killing me. not just her cast...now i feel so foolish, i am a dwarf too. thanks guys!
barren wagon
brace for impact or meticulus scheme for prot?
ionic fern
Jeah, you want to SR the debuff. 🙂
So don't just blindly use SR on CD.
@barren wagon for general purpose i'd probably use MS but it heavily depends on the content + your other possibilities/traits. For DPS purposes you can also sim yourself.
strong forum
Another tip, she debuffs the 2 closest targets @quick elk
So by standing inside her you can guarantee to get the debuff / reflect it
modern brook
mwahi said that too nom
autumn pendant
@ionic fern cant you actually reflect it before she puts it on you?
autumn pendant
Jeah, you want to SR the debuff. 🙂
@ionic fern
just clearing out
Cause i was sure you can do it but thought you reffering to using SR while oyu have debuff on yourself already
excuse me , tough day 😛
dense crest
Hi friends, I'm looking to find a Pawn string to use, one for raiding and one for M+. I had a look at the pinned messages and couldn't see any, and don't trust Noxxic as far as I can throw them. I understand stat weights are just a guide. Thank you in advance
dense crest
What would you suggest then for someone wanting to start min-maxing their gear? Aim for specific pieces? With the randomness of M+ Cache gear, I'd like to know if X piece is better than Y piece and for what scenario
brisk ferry
it's pretty simple
Twilight Dev > ilvl > Haste > Crit = Vers > Mastery
prefer crit for M+ and Vers for raid
sick sentinel
Yeah pawn is buns
still pagoda
Don’t use Pawn
Use it only as simmed stat weights insert tbh
main vault
Top Gear Sims
Even with simmed weights it’s not entirely accurate
Since it doesn’t account for lost stats
still pagoda
definitely
dense crest
Doesn't top gear sim only simulate DPS?
modern brook
AS they say; its time to d-d-d-d-do some fucking deeps
sick sentinel
If you aren’t making your healer sweat while pumping are you even a tank In BFA
modern brook
honestly if u rolled a protwar without the intention of giving your DPS fits about how busted TD/Clap is
main vault
The ideal scenario would be the healer using their last bit of mana on the cast as the boss dies
Whether that’s a dps or healing spell
That’s peak efficiency
dense crest
So I'm just stepping into Mythic raiding now, my gear is horribly optimized, so my survivability isn't the greatest. The healers also aren't geared enough to compensate for my own stat inefficiency
I'm just looking at trying to figure out what's going to give me the most bang for my buck with the gear that's dropping
sick sentinel
In mythic raiding, your stats will have far less of an impact than good play will
That said
sick sentinel
Prio ilvl
main vault
Like the only time stats have actually mattered was avoidance on scythes
sick sentinel
Ilvl > haste > verse = crit in raid
main vault
In two expansions now
dense crest
So if let's say I have a ilvl 475 crit/mast item, would I ever want to switch that out for a 460 socketed haste/vers item, if I'm prioritizing ilvl?
main vault
Jewelry is different
maiden ravine
Only if that's a ring
main vault
Since stat allocation is different
maiden ravine
and even then, only the socket makes the difference, not the different stats
dense crest
Ok so armor, prioritize ilvl, rings, prioritize stats for the content you're doing?
sick sentinel
For a lot of the time with rings you will still be able to prio ilvl
dense crest
Ok, thanks team, you've been a big help. I'll turn of pawn and start using my head 🙂
sick sentinel
But you can drop a few ilvls for certain stats and can definitely drop ilvl for sockets
strong forum
Socket is around 5-10ilvl on gear, 10-20 on rings
dense crest
Yeah the stat gain/loss for a Heroic-Mythic upgrade pales in comparison to that of a Socket
sick sentinel
Well depends on the slot
Cause a 5 ilvl gain from a socket on a pair of legs is in most cases not equal to the 15 ilvl difference in the pieces
is a haste cap on prot warr ?
remote dawn
100% KEK
sick sentinel
xD
brisk ferry
it's 200%
remote dawn
@sick sentinel how much haste you have?
barren wagon
@ionic fern its jst for m+ purpose 15-20 keys
other using 3 bastion 1 crash 1 endless hunger
sick sentinel
26 i think
left hatch
2 HoD, MS or CH for your last 2
And 26% isnt close to too much, or even enough haste
More is always better
strong forum
The only way to have too much haste would be stacking expedient at the cost of TD, that's when you have too much haste
remote dawn
i stand on 39% unbuffed
main vault
Get more
remote dawn
yeeee ❤️
placid oar
Hi guys, can I ask if a ilvl 455 urchin is actually better than my ilvl 464 rezan and ilvl 460 Vita?
strong forum
Not really
They serve different purposes
Nobody really runs urchin anymore due to the ilvl
placid oar
Ah I see, thank you sir.
lucid dew
this is insane i have gotten the same fucking azerite chest 4 times in a row
amber siren
time to delete wow forever
sick sentinel
feeeeeeeeels bad
toxic wadi
Anyone have trouble logging in? I'm stuck at loading screen
chilly brook
I'm gonna be scurred to open my boxes
daring marlin
Just kill mythic ilgynoth 5head
vocal skiff
Would you drop 30 ilvls for TD, if the higher piece has EV? I know the latter is garbage, but still
daring marlin
Imagine having the only shield that isn't a boe drop off a boss that late into the current raid
xD
vocal skiff
My god, my VDH also got EV from his chest
chilly brook
@vocal skiff sim it
chilly brook
But I wouldn't recommend it if you need the survivability
And EV isn't garbage btw
Just not as good anymore
vocal skiff
I thought it was, after the nerf
distant crystal
it's garbage
distant crystal
it's ok in small amounts for the high-hp tanks with threat issues
as another thing to proc for some snap threat
vocal skiff
On the upside, I finally got CnS rank 3 lol
placid oar
Hi guys, can someone kindly advice if using the ilvl 475 glove would actually be better than my ilvl 465? I have a total of +75 corruption TD on my belt and pants.
strong forum
TD is well worth it
sweet summit
TD all the way brother
strong forum
Unless you already have like 1.5k vers+ the corruption isn't insane, but keep the gloves, they're really good
placid oar
okay got it
thank you @strong forum and @sweet summit
i will continue to use my TD gloves and hang up the 475 one
when would the ilvl 475 one be of use if i may ask?
i was actually hoping for a shield heh
placid oar
ah icic, but how much TD is considered enough?
daring marlin
OOF
loud rain
being under your threshhold of corruption is enough
chilly brook
On the EV topic just summed it and EV 2 is ~8% of my single target dps as a brm granted there are definitely better options for the corruption
daring marlin
I was so fucking happy
distant crystal
oh yeah i mean for tank ST EV is decent enough
chilly brook
Just let your healer heal through TFB ez
placid oar
@loud rain ah okay, thank you
chilly brook
Ngl Twisted Appendage 3 is kinda nutty
hollow nebula
Hey guys im kinda new to prot warrior what trinket should i farm ?
without Raid ones
stark ruin
Rezan, block
chilly portal
Rezan's eye
chilly portal
Currently wearing 445 crit vers belt w/ echoing void 2. Weekly chest had 460 crit mast with surging vitality and a socket. Sim says that's a 5% dps loss. Is that dps loss worth it if means being 100 times tankier?
chilly portal
Atal dazar gives you a shot at rezans and a haste vers sword so I would spam ADs
chilly brook
And a shield
chilly portal
Yeah but their shield is already 445 so I didn't know if they would be r unning high enough to replace that.
wheat plume
is it okay to rock 55 corrutpion in mythic pluses?
chilly portal
IMO no. Blanket answer is use as much corruption as you can handle but as a tank, I think it's too much movement if you are having to run from thing from beyond and dealing with the eye. Soaking or moving out of the eye is one thing but in my opinion thing from beyond is a bit much. Plus making your healer's life hell if you get hit by it.
rigid sinew
sick sentinel
Stun it fear it spell reflect it eat it
There shouldn’t be much more movement than just with the eye of corruption
slow matrix
Can someone help me with a comparison?
sick sentinel
i can afford 1 random roll of head chest or shoulders, what should i go for
slow matrix
sick sentinel
475
sick sentinel
If you can fit that in your corruption budget easily, I’d use it
amber siren
keep both, replace sharkbait when you get more td in your budget
maiden lake
Can someone explain to me how vial of animated blood works defensively? Gaining all the extra strength allows for more passive mitigation or more block? Or what is it if i am mistaken thanks
hallow phoenix
Strength gives armor, parry, and larger IP
maiden lake
Ic ty
steel ravine
Hi folks, I'd like your opinion
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5UzCK18woT66rEw7JmjGUc
This is my prot. I'm wondering if I should make some room for haste corruptions vs gushing wounds items I'm currently rocking.
sweet summit
GW slaps
steel ravine
It does. It sims at about 5 to 7% of my damage.
sweet summit
If anything, id replace EV
steel ravine
EV feels too high in corruption for what it brings to the table
sweet summit
Yep
strong forum
Also simming dungeon slice is not recommended
strong forum
You have a multitude of patchwerk Sims that can tell you what's what
strong forum
Mythic dungeons grant mythic keystones
main vault
There is no such thing as a m0 key
strong forum
Be it m0 or higher
main vault
You just walk in
sick sentinel
the legendary mythic + 1
main vault
Yeah he definitely asked how to get a m0 key
sick sentinel
no man has ever seen (to my knowledge)
steel ravine
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bZ6LfiXdUG4UN4rTnqL2or
To replace EV, what should I look for? expedient or more TD/GW?
sweet summit
TD
steel ravine
so discard my GWs for TD12 + TD18?
sweet summit
Id do that
main vault
No way you can equip TD30
sweet summit
steel ravine
Goal is to grind up to M19
strong forum
Definitely worth it. Also we refer to TD as per rank, not per %
chilly brook
Gotta get that Corruption Tooltips
steel ravine
I could technically rock those starting... Next week? With 87 corrupt resist
strong forum
TD5 is possible to run for like 4 - 5 weeks
steel ravine
You'd be above 40 corruption no?
strong forum
That's fine
sweet summit
Ye
steel ravine
You can do that while pushing keys?
strong forum
Depends on your own comfortability to play above 40, yes
steel ravine
I thought it wasn't recommended
strong forum
It's not recommended for beginners, but it's not impossible to run
main vault
You should always play with the highest level of corruption you can comfortably handle
strong forum
^
chilly brook
Make your healer heal you for once xD
steel ravine
I ran 59 on my rogue due to CoS/Vanish/Leggo cloak
chilly brook
Plus you can SR TFB, stun it, or fear it
main vault
They were running 40+ in MDI
main vault
It’s nbd if you can handle it
main vault
For sure
chilly brook
Paralysis is hit or miss since it often gets broken by something
mental scarab
Did run with 105corruption i think and TDr7 😃 in a FH 3
chilly brook
But it's honestly not bad if you get hit it's only like 30% of your hp iirc
mental scarab
The circle is the boss rooms🤣
steel ravine
So maybe aim for less than 60
strong forum
Timed it and was funny as shit
steel ravine
Stacking GW + TD5 ?
sweet summit
105 is playable as fury in hc raids
mental scarab
Yea the eye hit for like 200k base dmg and 99% slow
strong forum
GW + TD5 sounds good Asiancuisine
chilly brook
I think you can do TD5 and 1 GW and that's 59?
strong forum
Or might I say, 'rona
mental scarab
Prty cool do when TD one shots all the mobs
steel ravine
If I'm to cleanse EW on a Servant's spliter 475, should I just go back to my Feralas 460 w/ socket (and cleansed)?
steel ravine
Ah yeah?
strong forum
Servant is great
chilly brook
Servant splitter is nice
steel ravine
I never knew if the lack of stats is good or nah
chilly brook
For st
strong forum
My joke was great. Pssh
chilly brook
Best ST option tbh
chilly brook
Not bad in aoe either but stats are more valuable for aoe but not enough to lose ilvl
strong forum
Na not that many, more like 2-3
sweet summit
Wack
strong forum
I could be wrong though
sweet summit
Abort, not very big. Just large
strong forum
Haven't actually confirmed that
sweet summit
This too
steel ravine
so keep the 475 Servant spliter over the 460 Feralas w/ socket?
strong forum
The ilvl alone is worth it yes
chilly brook
Yes
sweet summit
Any day
steel ravine
Just cleanse the EW and run more TD?
chilly brook
Weapon DPS is a HUGE stat
strong forum
Yes
sweet summit
Yes
sweet summit
🤡
strong forum
Running TD instead of EV is about a 300% dmg increase per rank
sweet summit
Get it haha
chilly brook
I got it
steel ravine
OH MY GOD
sweet summit
Uhoh
strong forum
Yup
steel ravine
But with more guys