We play different games then
#protection
chilly brook
They removed gluttony
strong forum
completely
main vault
Shouldnt talk about things you dont know about then mate
chilly brook
strong forum
ye dont listen to those tbh
verbal kayak
Thanks a lot guys
strong forum
some feedback sure, but dont read too much into it
verbal kayak
You really helped me
oblique garnet
But like in keys right now prot warrior is the strongest tank by far
amber siren
oblique garnet
Only thing that really kills you is shadow of zul in KR
Once you are geared that is
The problem with VDH is that sure it can survive and what not but without td it does not do any damage whatsoever
slim pier
How is this Rextroy paladin guy one shotting poeple
oblique garnet
Abusing something again
chrome palm
is that the solo raid guy?
upper violet
yes
strong forum
stack 20-30 tanks
slim pier
Explanation?
slim pier
I'm not talking about that
Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgX6n8jMqD0
He's using the Drest trinket
strong forum
so
chrome palm
idk i feel like people are mostly panicking about the changes because of how fun prot is rn
upper violet
swifty 1shot macro
chrome palm
just like BDK was in legion
slim pier
I did
strong forum
ok hes using a trinket that does 150k ST
chilly brook
He's doing it because he's using SotW major
main vault
And he literally explains it
chilly brook
50% increased damage
slim pier
Ok, I missed that
undone sun
4head
chilly brook
Stacked with trinket, 3x wings mastery trait and 3x judgement trait
chilly brook
But really he's only able to do it because of SotW major
main vault
yeah
main vault
Its a essence/talent setup with a macro
chilly brook
Plus he's popping pots
oblique garnet
Start of this season in arenas was fun with prenerf TD
chilly brook
And berserking
oblique garnet
Randomly 1 tapping people as a tank
mortal brook
saltwater pop as well
strong forum
i enjoyed EV pvp
upper violet
who cares blizz will nerf half of this shit anyway :P
main vault
If you knew it was coming you could easily counter
mortal brook
unless someone gets Glad with it, no one will care
strong forum
even then, balance isnt a thing that theyre known for this expac
main vault
or last
upper violet
Miss legion pvp
upper violet
Playing dumb melee comps as arms dumpstering ppl
main vault
delete pvp
strong forum
i mean thats the name of the game currently
be dk+ww
and dumpster people in 0.3seconds
strong forum
not afaik
main vault
upper violet
Yeah but the thing now is u gotta have all the corruptions or ur damage is shit
upper violet
Most annoying shit
slim pier
You can actually stack drest on 3s
strong forum
and pop them insta
slim pier
wow
mortal brook
just use 8x gushing wounds 4head
strong forum
be dakkroth
slim pier
Just saw a video of cdew;s team using 3x drest at thesame time
upper violet
Just
slim pier
guy got obliterated
daring marlin
I have 470 boots and a 475 ring with gushing
strong forum
and stack 5 GW and do double the enemies dmg
distant crystal
does it even count if the piece isn't 475 tho
strong forum
465 piece is also usable
oblique garnet
in pvp it kinda doesnt matter
daring marlin
470 is close enough!
Although the 5 ilvls is legit 1k more damage over the 7 seconds
strong forum
aka 5%
daring marlin
big dam
mystic finch
Hello! Could anyone help me decide between these two pieces of gear, please? The first one is what I recently got from a vision run and the second one is what I've been using since I got it:
strong forum
id take the socket + haste
the corruption averages to ~400 vers over 1 minute so technically more stats, but losing out on socket + better stats doesnt seem as great
upper violet
Also the non corrupted is more consistent cuz not a proc
scenic hollow
The uptime on that proc is like upward of 70%, though, in a regular dungeon type scenario
I’d still take the second one due to the large stat bump (primarily haste), but that proc is very decent.
still pagoda
got RP3 piece today
dunno whether it is worth running while also going into 40 corruption territory
scenic hollow
Depends how lazy you are
still pagoda
also... Corruption visual effect fucks my transmog up, yet it looks pretty fancy IMO
scenic hollow
Negative effects of corruption are far less impacting on my enjoyment than the visual shit.
I can deal with getting slowed, moving out of eye, stunning a random asshole. But I can’t deal with looking like garbage.
strong forum
Facts
mortal brook
the red looks good tho; just run around with 80+
still pagoda
scenic hollow
Big brain moves
still pagoda
i'm thinking of just smashing cloak bind ASAP when TFB pops up
foggy meadow
you can use the tortollan toy if you dont like the corrupted visual thingy
1h cd tho
still pagoda
chrome palm
should i always try to kill bobby before i kick jes?
what's the downside to that?
in tol dagor
mortal brook
kicking bobby frees the stunned person to kick. i usually just split the party on who to watch to kick tho
chilly brook
@chrome palm yes just ignore jes until bobby is dead
The buff that Jes does is largely not noticeable
foggy fractal
Yo for prot in 15-20 keys, what corruptions should I be running and what level of corru should i be going? Have a r3 TD but I'm at 0 Corru
with it
foggy fractal
And what kinda trinkets would be best for pushing higher keys?
I'm running a 475 humming and 470 psychic shell
i have a 465 rezan, 460 vita, 475 Merektha's
stable flower
Is Texans better that the wraithion trinkit?
mortal brook
big haste is big rage gen, anger management, sb overlap, etc
stable flower
Is Rezans
limpid pawn
yo sorry about reposting but what is the tortollan toy someone was referring to above that gets rid of corruption?
mortal brook
itll be comparable on the average haste between rezans and wrathion for the overall. vita beats both on budget
Bowl of Glowing pufferfish is the only appearance toy from tortollan paragons yeah?
limpid pawn
i see it, that gets rid of corruption?
foggy fractal
so double haste trink? Vita + wrath/rezan or vita + fang if I get comfortable with stuns etc?
mortal brook
idk try it
@limpid pawn
yes, haste is big boi defensively
fang is the best dmg for m+
foggy fractal
what about the psychic shell? Or is that just a waste
mortal brook
comparable defensively, far worse offensively
scenic hollow
@chrome palm with a pug or people you aren’t comfortable doing TD with, might be best to stop half way out of LOS of Jes and kill the adds and Bobby then take Jes by himself. Barely any difference in time and any time lost is usually time saved because one of your party died to some random shit.
Jes just chills at the back waiting for you to kill everything anyway
foggy fractal
is CnS worth running at rank 2 and/or is it required for pushing keys on Fortified weeks?
Thinking ahead to next week
mortal brook
cns is a solid choice for a minor even at rank 2. obv much better at r3
foggy fractal
does it compete with other minors such as aegis, warden, nullification etc as a minor?
scenic hollow
I don’t use CNS because I can’t stand pvp. There’s other options that are more than fine
foggy fractal
so minors (w/o CnS) would be like null + aegis + formless with Vision of PErfection major?
for M+
scenic hollow
I find null super good as it helps to round out our main weakness
mortal brook
formless doesnt pair with vop major unless someone else in the group is using cof
scenic hollow
I’m no expert. I tank 15’s and shit, and my advice might be horrible.... but I have no problems using VoP major, Aegis, Null and Lucid minors.
mortal brook
cof major for raids. vop major for m+
scenic hollow
I’d use CNS if I did PVP though. But I don’t.
mortal brook
sick sentinel
🏃
mortal brook
hawgz you're a gem
sick sentinel
Get yourself to 1400 rating and conquest cap
undone sun
🚪
sick sentinel
CnS is a very very very strong minor
scenic hollow
Yup. But the time put into PVP just makes it not worth it to me for the gains. I’m not pushing higher than 15 anyway.
chilly brook
@scenic hollow if 2 hours is too much time for you
sick sentinel
Fair enough. But it is relatively easy to get and can be done with minimal pvp
scenic hollow
2 hours assuming you can actually pvp to some degree
chilly brook
not really
chilly brook
getting to 1400 is literally just PvE as arms
Especially since you can't lose rating
scenic hollow
Being completely honest I never really looked into it that much. Just saw “pvp acquired” and thought..... naaaaa fuck that noise
chilly brook
You literally just have to hit 1400 and then conquest cap through doing horde/alliance invasions
never have to pvp again
scenic hollow
I got GM back in Vanilla on Hunter. It’s scarred me for life.
The grind to get that....
scenic hollow
I mean you’re not wrong
placid oar
Hi guys, a good day to you. I am hoping to get some advice. Just did a 19 TOS tanking and i died to the 2nd and 3rd boss.. Somehow i am taking too much damage and gotten feedback to minimise facing my back to mobs as well as trying to stack more versa.... Can you guys when free, pls give me some comments on my gear? Will link shortly and apologies for the long msg.
i was stacking haste but changed a ring to versa
i am unsure if i am actually equipping the correct stuff
sick sentinel
You do not need to stack vers to do 19/20 keys. At that level good play is going to be the deciding factor. Your gear is fine. Don’t stop stacking haste
placid oar
ah okay
thank you Hawgz
i guess i just need to improve my play
am new to protection
i changed all my Arms gear to Prot
and i mix some of my fury gear in
sick sentinel
Np. Make sure you are not taking melees to the back (you can’t block) and make sure you are dumping rage into ignore pain
vocal skiff
One question about Siege on bolstering. How do you deal with the commanders in 3rd boss room if you are doing the bolstered spotter strategy?
Since they don't take damage from spotter
With the crushers, it's no issue since you can pull monkeys apart
But the commanders are linked with the rest of their packs
mortal brook
just put on 8 gushing wound
sick sentinel
You pull all 3 packs at once
kill all of it
and wipe
kill the commanders by its self
with the remaining spotter
cleave them down evenly
@vocal skiff
long perch
hey question
world vein any good to use for prot
starting essense
or should you run vision rank 1
instead
ornate magnet
whats a good essence combo to run in kings rest 16+?
sick sentinel
VoP major lucid/CnS/warden/sphere minor
chilly brook
World vein bis in aoe according to what
sick sentinel
According to damage output
^ it really is tho... just not worth using. But early in 8.3 (and maybe now?) there were a lot of meme worldvein builds in raid
maiden ravine
World vein sims very well if everyone is using it
maiden ravine
Indeed, it's just no avatar haha
I like using it cause it amuses me to poop out spikes
I might finally get formless void 3 soon if I keep doing heroic
Need 49 more freaking texts
chilly brook
Sure it sims well but it has almost 0 extra advantages, with VoP you also get the increased rage generation and bloodmallet only has Worldvein ahead like like 1k dps in hectic add cleave
hearty portal
From someone who hasen't played retail since BFA first raid tier, and looking to go warrior again in shadowlands. I'm abit concerning about the changes on ignore pain from 1 second to 12 second cooldown
isn't that a pretty big nerf? 🤔
sick sentinel
limpid pawn
helm of second sight
how good is this one
i feel like with my set up i still want helm of abyssal mal
sick sentinel
Is that the nzoth one or ilgynoth
limpid pawn
ilgy
limpid pawn
unstable flames?
sick sentinel
Yes
Only difference between the two helmets is Overwhelming power vs unstable flames
limpid pawn
OP is better though right
sweet summit
HoD>Tidal surge
sick sentinel
True
echo cloud
is the mythic 1h off first boss worth keeping the corruption on or should it be cleansed?
ionic fern
If you have any other decent effects then you can cleanse it.
trim bay
hey guys. just a quick question. i have a 445 belt with expediant rank 2 and it sims higher than a 465belt with socket. im just wondering is there a line you draw over for ilvl over stats?
sick sentinel
Yes but expediant is really good
Especially with rezans,vita and dragonscale combined
And or triple OP with hod/ms and clockwork
Deoends om the corruption
Depends
stiff oracle
how much str/haste does rezan give at 475? @trim bay
flat jackal
If the enemy bosses on Freehold are Jolly and Rauol, is it the dog RP?
or is the drink RP?
sick sentinel
im building my tanking pices of azerite traits atm.....Btu should i go for more thatn 1 daefening crash. OR
ionic fern
@sick sentinel you only want 1 Deafening Crash.
sick sentinel
okay are there any taht i should try stack.
brittle owl
BoM
runic quail
Bastion of Might 3x
ancient shoal
How do I survive third boss in motherlode? My warrior is getting way more damage than my monk.
brittle owl
3x BoM 1 x DC 2 x Whatever is next in line, not as important as the first two
sick sentinel
ty
brittle owl
you're taking the same amount of damage, maybe even less than a monk grampy. you wanna spellreflect every other dot and roll your defensives and ideally game your IP's, since SB does nothing there
it just seems like it since monk staggers a portion of the magic damage
ancient shoal
Yeah I do all this (IPing instead of shield block, reflect if I have a dot, Shield wall if really low, IP from Avatar, trinket) but healler keeps me at really low HP and complain that boss hitting me too hard.
Well
ok
frail oar
don't shield wall if really low, do it before
tulip cairn
what stat do i want as prot war atm
brittle owl
ILVL
modern dew
grampy are you reflecting before or after the dot ?
ancient shoal
After, is it reflectable like bolts are?
ancient shoal
Nice, thanks, I think that would help a lot.
modern dew
im pretty sure theres a list of reflectable spells out there but i can't remember where sorry
ancient shoal
Yeah thanks, It's prety new mechanic for me, so I don't know all the spells I can reflect yet.
I was prety much facetanking that as a monk
icy vector
hey, i'm someone who's looking to try tanking, and i'm looking for a decent 1h weapon, i already have a shield. any suggestions?
mild ore
brittle owl
or carrapace IS weapon for shad'har parse
strong forum
Just get 475 IS3 from your first and 2nd weekly chest
brittle owl
i'd rather skin my fingers tyvm
strong forum
Facts
strong forum
Know my pain
oblique garnet
🙂
sharp night
won't need the weakaura for reflect in the next update of details 👀
it's been implemented natively
sharp night
the one that shows reflect damage in the meters
stiff oracle
Then the dps players in keys might actually give a shit
@strong forum as if.
strong forum
I can hope okay.
still pagoda
visions with gift are so chill
never thought that just one passive can make such a difference
stiff oracle
I use cof 🤔
stiff oracle
O
civic holly
sweet summit
ERT/Details usually has a "who pulled" at the start of an encounter
But you can just look at the very start to see what damaged the boss first
amber siren
yeah details/ert are good for if someone pulled early or attacked it, it's not as reliable if someone face pulls
main vault
You could look at resource/ threat and see whom pulled I think
Or timeline
But who actually pulls doesn’t usually matter as long as it isn’t seconds early
Like no one cares if someone pulls .2sec before
north axle
analog swift
highest ilvl w/ best corruption w/ a socket
sweet summit
Vers isnt that huge as you might think it is
sweet summit
Twilight dev 😳
strong forum
Eh, I'd wager corruptions are out of the equation unless you want to stack %stats like arms
cursive musk
Is there a haste cap ? i feel during avatar that i just have too much.. 2200 unbuffed
sick sentinel
3.5k goalz
strong forum
If you can't keep up with the haste that's more of a you issue rather than it being suboptimal
sweet summit
tame garden
chilly brook
@cursive musk are you clicking by chance?
cursive musk
Not at all haha
chilly brook
Ok just figured I'd ask, you shouldn't really have any issue with haste then
chilly brook
You'd be surprised
still pagoda
my SC2 nerd mind melts rn
chilly brook
I was playing Valorant and someone in my guild went and bought a controller so he could play FPS games on PC
So tbh people doing suboptimal things doesn't surprise me anymore
sick sentinel
Wow with controller when
strong forum
@sick sentinel shadowlands
Controller support is unironically coming
Without addons
chilly brook
I'll definitely play with a controller
sick sentinel
I will tilt pvp needs by my controller usage
tame garden
strong forum
That's why I suggest leveling, only very few abilities and nothing has any speed involved
still pagoda
For drunk pepega nights
@strong forum
lower keys are the best for this shit
or arena
chilly brook
From a non meme perspective there are high end raiders in FFXIV that do play with a controller
inland silo
vast majority of controller players on ff14 are inters
still pagoda
slower than outro breakdown of MH's A Thousand Lies
inland silo
very easy to tell whos on controller
chilly brook
The gcd is base 2.5 but is reduced with gear and plenty of classes with off gcd abilities they press in between
inland silo
even with faster gcd in wow though, most specs dont have that many buttons to actually press
still pagoda
endless TC spam
inland silo
id imagine most specs would be easier compared to ff classes on controller
chilly brook
Especially demon hunter
The only thing imo that would be really awkward when it comes to using a controller is ground select aoe abilities
final mist
Speaking as someone who plays both WoW and FF, XIV actually did a “long” GCD correctly
Also none of your CDs are on the GCD kekw
warm narwhal
Hi guys, I don't know if the icy-veins website is still a good reference for Tank Warrior , so... I ask here :
What are the Essences Build for M+ and Raid ?
warm narwhal
Ok, thank you i save it !!!
still pagoda
or you can run Formless/Null/Lucid and be happy since there is always at least one guy with CoF in raid
warm narwhal
👌
still pagoda
minors*
sweet summit
Never swap out CnS
still pagoda
^ also this... Unless you're a scrub who returned only recently and doesn't have R3 of it
strong forum
The icy veins guide is however up to date @warm narwhal and written by the current theorycrafter for prot warrior
still pagoda
^
autumn pendant
the man that sleeps and awaits
still pagoda
eternal slumber
strong forum
Awake is fuck
warm narwhal
@strong forum Ty for the Information !
obsidian girder
Heya, any advice what I am doing wrong when several times full ragebar at raid encounters ? Not spending enough on ignore pain?
Could literally remove devastation from my bar, no use for it - constantly pressing anything else - around 50% haste
strong forum
Yes, excess rage you pump into ignore pain
You don't want to rage cap ever
You're better off capping ignore pain than rage
modern brook
devastation is called that cause its the emotion u feel if u have to press it
it exists soley as a global filler to maybe proc shield slam's cd reset
obsidian girder
Ok
wicked rover
Writhing Segment of Drest'agath any good for prot on tyrannical weeks?
sweet summit
no, because on tyrannical weeks you gerally pull bigger trash packs so it loses a lot of value
but its bolstering
so keys dont exist this week outside of weekly no leaver keys
sweet summit
you can pretty much solo explosives
as prot
so its a non issue even with the pugs
still pagoda
exactly
TOS is literally not puggable this week
TD not timeable with pugs since most of the time you see them not kicking casts, never ever touching barrels and not doing explosives at all
and pulling shit through walls
sweet summit
whats wrong with ToS?
modern brook
Last boss 2Head DPS tunnel the snake instead of spreading out for the epxlosives
modern brook
Its not that bad with some big brained range; but finding a 100iq mage or hunter is p hard as well
modern brook
ive had the benefit of having a real key group again
ever since @lusty grotto abandoned me
this week honestly isnt that bad, its just not fun tho
still pagoda
pretty much
sweet summit
exactly
still pagoda
burned my nerves when pugging this week
next week may be relatively easy
just no big pulls again
modern brook
Bursting fort volcanic is p free tbh
still pagoda
yea
modern brook
bro just go for ksm
still pagoda
ah
modern brook
the achivement
sweet summit
new one every season
modern brook
still pagoda
well, 17*
but again, like i really want to slowly but surely get to stuff higher than lower keys
modern brook
Stop pugging then :^)
start adding the good players u pug with
gotta minimize that pool of baboons into a pool of neanderthals
still pagoda
and then into actual people :)
jovial saffron
so i'm doing my visions as prot...am i dumb for this or what? i can't seem to full clear with masks up...i have only every played prot on him...he is an alt. Is there a good prot visions guide?
still pagoda
i do them in arms
sweet summit
and 5mask is free
modern brook
just twilight dev more 4head
sweet summit
and twilight lmao
still pagoda
but just cause i like pulling half of zone and smash BLADESTORM
modern brook
@jovial saffron what in particular is killing you
jovial saffron
i haven't done one in a while because he's just an alt, but my cloak is 13 and I need the 6 pages now for 14. I'm about to do one, and I'll let you know, but from what i recall i just don't have the damage output.
i play rogue as my main, so maybe i just need to adjust to a prot warr idk
like do you have an essence suggestions?
tawny maple
What's your ilvl on this warrior
lusty grotto
who the fuck summoned me
oh it was just bull
idk man i can do 5masks easy as prot
SW is the hardest obviously because fear madness + clone madness is aids
just gotta plan before it
my tips for 5 masks if you want them:
- find out which is the sanity pot, and hope for good rng
- bring sanity food (dont use it if you're about to pop the add that pops when youre below x sanity)
- plan around Gift of the Titans (you lose 0 sanity if you have it up and can double pull - you still can get stunned so watch out)
also 4. plan around mini bosses, since they restore sanity with the archives upgrade
and if youre just starting out on 5 masks dont even bother looking for chests
or the mailbox mount or whatever
you gotta do all mechanics as best as you can
which comes to the final 2 that most people don't understand:
- you can just turn your back to eyes on Shaw, no need to LoS them - same for Alleria
- you can SR/Shockwave adds on Rexxar, burn them down though so you dont lose extra sanity (but if you have gift up, fuck it go ham on Rexxar)
jovial saffron
awesome thanks for the tips
lusty grotto
and dont forget to focus down the stupid casters that stun
and interrupt the stun itself
or stun it/fear it
if you got all that the best thing you can do is simply practice
see where youre messing up and fix it
jovial saffron
just wasn't doing it on war very well
lusty grotto
except for the fact that you can't stealth through most of the stuff, all you gotta do is tclap, since iirc mobs on solo tank runs have lower HP
warm plinth
You can technically stealth through the same stuff. Just have to use the food to do it :p
lusty grotto
ive never had to stealth through it
warm plinth
Neither have I. Just saying you can
warm plinth
It honestly doesn't have a huge amount of usefulness
I used to use it in a couple spots but largely it's pointless
The only semi-meaningful pack I skipped with it is the first big bug in Honor, but since there's no swarmleader in that pack it's easy anyway
lusty grotto
haha that fucking dude before rexxar
pisses my brother so much when he does his solo runs
the guy after that big bug
i get tilted at the mage quarter miniboss
fucking blizzard putting purple on every goddamn thing in the game
warm plinth
Yeah, the swarmleader in the pack before Rexxar is the dangerous one. He puts a massive haste buff on the other mobs, but he has fairly low HP so you can just blast him down and then it's basically just a repeat of the first pack after Misha
lusty grotto
lol he just gets tilted at the headbutt shit
headbutt -> stun
cause of poison stacks or w/e
gets headbutted out of bounds just cause hes so tilted at it lmao
shit is funny
sick sentinel
I can relate
My first 5 mask ever attempted
I was head butted down the hill
And died to fall damage
As a panda
sick sentinel
Hello
lusty grotto
did you see my repertoir
sick sentinel
No show me
sick sentinel
Not all equipped? Weak
lusty grotto
im running td3 + IT3
sweet summit
i craved in and bought a BoE shield, with leech 
sweet summit
look at this steal
lusty grotto
now lets imagine i get a fucking haste % ever
sick sentinel
I just want a GW
lusty grotto
yeah would be hella sweet
sick sentinel
It would fit in nicely with my corruption budget
sweet summit
😏
sick sentinel
Wel that is upsetting
sick sentinel
Why does that exist
All I get is
EV
I am being punished for good Td RNG to begin the season
warm plinth
@lusty grotto @sick sentinel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/567205179410219010/677664975313043503/RNG_Death.mp4
lusty grotto
haha
quiet hornet
thats a feelsbad
warm plinth
That was right after I first started 5 masking and I didn't know that that miniboss charged if you were stunned
lusty grotto
still not as good as me running out of mage quarter into out of bounds and trying to go around
warm plinth
lol
lusty grotto
and then failing
warm plinth
Too far? Or there's no way to get back in?
sick sentinel
THE BUG. FROM A PLACE WE HAVENT SEEN BEFORE
Absolutely hitting ghash with a chair and throwing him out of the ring
warm plinth
lol
sick sentinel
You love to see that
warm plinth
And then I didn't realize the split had spawned and walked right into it. Legit just a comedy of errors
lusty grotto
i made a retardation honestly
sick sentinel
If I had a dollar for every tome I walked into a split
I would be a real rich man
I do it at minimum 7-8 times per vision
I just don’t get better lmao
lusty grotto
lol
sick sentinel
Visual effect on the screen? Might as well not be there
warm plinth
Yeah normally if I get hit by it, it's because I was running somewhere mounted and didn't notice it
Or trying to dodge a mechanic while it's about to spawn and it pops
sick sentinel
Mine is cause I move my character like my hair is on fire I’m combat
sick sentinel
Must twitch
lusty grotto
dear blizzard can 👏 you 👏 stop 👏 putting 👏 purple 👏 on 👏 everything 👏
fuck your indie team purple damn it
warm plinth
My favorite is the fear circles from the lieutenant
Or the puddles from the slime guy
Especially like...on the trash heap in Junkyard
Where it just all blends together
sick sentinel
I am tired of looking at purple as well
lusty grotto
swear to god i gotta begin to turn on colorblind mode or some shit
warm plinth
I have colorblind mode on and it doesn't help tbh
sage granite
What's the addon that tells you the name of the corruption on the gear?
lusty grotto
SMH
warm plinth
It changes the colors the same regardless
Whatever it changes purple to, it changes all purple to
Corruption Tooltips
still pagoda
everyone here is tired of purple just like we were of green to the end of Legion
warm plinth
Even Legion was purple. Fucking Seat of the Triumvirate
warm plinth
Hey make sure you soak this purple mechanic that's on a shitload of purple
lusty grotto
JESUS CHRIST LOL
still pagoda
JESUS CHRIST LOL [2]
modest bridge
Hey new to this discord, wanted to ask if you guys would trade 5 item level on a helmet for a 3rd bastion trade or rather stick to higher item level helmet with overwhelming?
still pagoda
Hey new to this discord, wanted to ask if you guys would trade 5 item level on a helmet for a 3rd bastion trade or rather stick to higher item level helmet with overwhelming?
@modest bridge
trade
5 ilvl is not worth it
sweet summit
id take 5 ilvl dump for BoM
lusty grotto
hmm this is a good question
modest bridge
wasnt sure about the 3rd bastion since the other helmet has overwhelming and impassive visage on it which i think are quite strong
strong forum
You're prolly talking bout nzoth helmet, the only thing that beats nzoth heroic helmet are, nzoth mythic, abyssal Malevolence and sea brawlers greathelm
lusty grotto
im taking 475s over 480s with HoD+BoM
sweet summit
no it cant be abyssal
modest bridge
yeah Greathelm of Phantasmi Reality vs Helm of the Raptor King
lusty grotto
stay with nzoth helm
strong forum
Raptor King used to be a thing for parsing in EP
lusty grotto
yeah for sure
strong forum
But it's not anymore
lusty grotto
rip attack speed axe
modest bridge
Okay nice. will switch it then i guess
strong forum
As I've mentioned there's only 3 helmets are better than nzoth heroic
lusty grotto
i have putrid path ftl
sudden kayak
any one know if iron fortress stacks if u have 2 also is it advised to use both of them in your helmet and chest or no one does that
sick sentinel
that moment when abyssals sims higher than n'zoth helm
sudden kayak
u know the block trait
lusty grotto
it stacks
sweet summit
chimp
strong forum
🐒
sudden kayak
rofl my bad homie i fucked up
sick sentinel
Chimpy
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
Damn nimchimp tough scene
lusty grotto
sudden kayak
ravioli is dank as hell for munchies i dont know if any one cooks it but i just microwave it put it on a large plate not bowl and microwave it for 3 minutes
lusty grotto
only the best from Chef Nimchip
cosmic canyon
Block is only obtained from shield & azerite traits atm, yeah?
sweet summit
yeah
sudden kayak
so shield and azerite traits so you want to have or try to aim for the highest item level shield?
sweet summit
always
sudden kayak
kk ty ty
gleaming crater
do you guys think it's heresy to buy a cloth item from the AH with TD III to have fun in lower keys
🤔
sweet summit
if its cheap and you have gold, fuck it
sudden kayak
im at 2 out of 5 time walking dungeons almost complete hope the reward gives me a 445 shield im wearing 390 one hander and shield cuz i made an account ina new region since i moved countries lul
lusty grotto
shield/weapon is always ilvl>all
well i suppose weapon might be a maybe depending on corruption
sudden kayak
yea my us accoount warrior is 467 i think cant remember has some stat corruption not really like is or td but still holds aggro and lives pretty well but my new country and region account the warrior is at 417 ilevel that would be sick if the time walking reward was a 445 shield or a one hander from nyalotha i was checking in on the one handers filter for nyalotha and all of them have corruption
sudden kayak
yea kk thank u yea i was thinking the same like my prot warrior on the us has no corruption basically just high ilevel pieces and slams biggest damage is my thudner clap
brisk ferry
do you get any residuum for scrapping 475 goggles?
sweet summit
no
brisk ferry
alright thanks
amber siren
0
daring bay
Hmm, thats a bit low
main vault
Nope
daring bay
?
main vault
Its 0
stiff oracle
Just be full hp bro
sweet summit
If you get the same exact ring but with leech, you equip the one with leech. But thats about it
maiden ravine
haha
I timed my first SotS 15 running CoF! Major cause I forgot to swap back after a vision
strong forum
Grats!
strong forum
I mean if you use it on CD still 5k dps
cosmic canyon
I think you undervalue the team aspect of for example leech, or other stats than TD and personal dps.
still pagoda
with no effort whatsoever
I think you undervalue the team aspect of for example leech, or other stats than TD and personal dps.
The problem is in aspect of damage itself, since another 50-60k DPS in the party is better than, say, 8% leech which won't work out good
cosmic canyon
@daring bay technically if you leech 5% of your damage taken, and you take half your damage done in a dungeon. You have 2.5% damage mitigation from the leech
Damage done* Sry.
still pagoda
less time trash pack/boss lives = less problems
cosmic canyon
I mean..
still pagoda
TD has much more value than anything else exactly because of this
it gives your party another DPS who also tanks
daring bay
Well....when i mentioned leech, i meant as a tertiary stat
still pagoda
which is immense and shortens pulls
2.5% passive mitigation is 0%
doesn't matter at all
main vault
But if you do 2.5% more damage you dont take that damage either
daring bay
If i wanted "defensive" corruptions i prob go %vers or %haste
main vault
Actually 1.25%
still pagoda
But if you do 2.5% more damage you dont take that damage either
Exactly
cosmic canyon
It's really not as simple as that
still pagoda
faster clears lead to less damage taken
main vault
Neither was your example but here we are
daring bay
I have no idea what to take from this convo :V
Thought leech was really good for warriors
main vault
dont value Leech over any ilvl
still pagoda
TLDR - leech is worthless
cosmic canyon
Faster clears can also be in the form of bigger pulls, if you pull bigger and stay safer that means you increase the dps of your dps classes by a lot.
still pagoda
^^
leech is not late Legion avoidance
it won't give you magical ability to survive shit in higher keys
daring bay
So 465 haste/mast ring with leech as tertiary is worse than a 470 haste/mast ring?
that dosnt make much sence
cosmic canyon
I don't just mean in question to leech, but also in regards to TD above say vers or mastery.
main vault
Yes it is
still pagoda
that dosnt make much sence
It makes
since warrior doesn't need self-sustain
you just mitigate most of the damage
xD
daring bay
....
still pagoda
and leech itself scales really badly
cosmic canyon
It's scaling %
strong forum
Even if you have 10% leech, in ST it's gonna have 0 impact
In small packs it's gonna have 0 impact
amber siren
pull size generally isn't dictated by how much you can survive but rather how much you can control the pull, dungeon packs aren't a linear scale of size and damage taken
still pagoda
also. I killed myself with TFB in arena today
it just rammed into me while i was putting pressure on healer
strong forum
Just because you're tankier by 3% doesn't mean you can pull bigger
still pagoda
^
strong forum
Most pulls are set
You can't pull bigger 99% of the time, no amount of gear is gonna carry that
still pagoda
and big pulls will value your AoE damage much more
strong forum
You make efficient pulls, not stupid big ones
still pagoda
^
main vault
Its been like 5 years and we are still having to have this talk
strong forum
People think you can't pull bigger because of gear, when in reality it's because of mechanics or affixes
still pagoda
nothing will heal you better than you mitigating most of the damage and your healer
affixes especially
Explosive
Bursting
Bolstering
and so on
cosmic canyon
Well, even if you don't pull bigger, taking less damage can be beneficial to your team. For example, less kiting, less healing needed by the healer and so on.
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that damage doesn't matter. What I am a bit reserved to is the overwhelming focus on it in here.
My experience pushing keys as dps always comes down to the tank and how good a player he is in regards to pullsize / downtime and what not. His dps doesn't really matter that much.
wintry ermine
strong forum
If you don't die, you don't need to be more defensive
cosmic canyon
The faster he pulls and the less downtime the tank has the higher his dps is.
strong forum
Simple as that
main vault
There is also never a situation where your 2% self healing will be the difference in living or dying
amber siren
tank dps is a big deal, it's literally a major reason why prot warriors have been strong this expansion
still pagoda
The faster he pulls
This depends primarily on his DPS and own skill as a tank
cosmic canyon
Why do you bring up 2%?
still pagoda
not leech or defensive gear
cosmic canyon
Me?
main vault
Yes
cosmic canyon
It was just an example of mitigation. Not leech
still pagoda
@daring bay technically if you leech 5% of your damage taken, and you take half your damage done in a dungeon. You have 2.5% damage mitigation from the leech
@cosmic canyon
i'm quoting this just for the case of you saying this
2.5% is totally meaningless
main vault
Your words
main vault
Your example was 5% leech equating to 2.5% reduction
cosmic canyon
You taking 2.5% less damage isn't totally meaningless.
main vault
Its will never be the difference in you living of dying
still pagoda
the best way to minimize incoming damage in M+ is to do double the DPS
strong forum
If you don't die, it is
still pagoda
hence TWD
main vault
So in that way, yes, it is
strong forum
The only way to die is by fucking up
cosmic canyon
How high keys are you pushing? Just so I know how to tackle these arguments.
cosmic canyon
Yeah, about there nexi
daring bay
I mean, will my haste gem ever make the diffrence in me surviving? prob not...dosnt mean it dosnt help. People saying Leech has 0 value makes no sense to me and i will just take it as exageration. If its not as good as it seems? sure, but it be nice to get an idea of how much its actually worth
amber siren
because you can stack haste, you can't reasonably stack leech
main vault
How much leech would come on a 475 ring? I dont have any with leech
strong forum
Leech is great if its on your main piece that'd you'd use anyway, you don't drop ilvl for it
Period
100+
main vault
But not 200
amber siren
and haste interacts with our toolkit in so many different ways, leech is just? a little more healing that you have no way of targeting in pieces
strong forum
Ontop of it being converted from dmg dealt, it loses insane value in low target situations
main vault
even the 5 ilvl gain from a non-leech piece, with the difference in overall stats/stam, would be worth more
still pagoda
a little more healing that won't heal you up from 20% in one second
strong forum
And guess what the most lethal situations are, bosses and casts and dots
Aka low target count
still pagoda
aka 500k+ damage spellcasts
aka rezan bleed
basically thing that can't be outhealed by any amount of leech
main vault
the only dangerous things I can think of are Zul and Rezan
main vault
tru
still pagoda
if your healer is dumb*
daring bay
Alright, now the arguments are starting to make sense
daring bay
I mean, felt like it was allot of spamming "lawl leech bad"
somtimes in caps somtimes not
still pagoda
leech is worthless for that exact reason. it won't outheal any damage that will come into you
daring bay
But i have a different question if you all would like.
still pagoda
high damage spellcasts, bleeds, ZUL
main vault
Its if you would like
still pagoda
and other shit with high damage
main vault
We could cba tbh
strong forum
Cuz it's a sensitive thematic, a shitton of people come in here other day / week
It gets tiring
cosmic canyon
Nexi... Why the high horse attitude?
daring bay
I see allot of high end m+ tanks building vers in their enchants and gems. At what point do you start doing that? at what haste % or what lvl of key?
main vault
Like super bleeding edge
strong forum
25+ if at all
daring bay
I got an insane amount of haste i feel like, around 50% base + haste trinket + into the fray
strong forum
It's a comfort thing
main vault
they do the vers because that is literally the only way to survive
Because they have maxed everything else
daring bay
Thunderclap gcd caps at 100% right?
strong forum
200%
undone sun
no
daring bay
2++?
undone sun
gcd is 100%
strong forum
Well 180%
daring bay
200*
undone sun
cooldowns go higher
still pagoda
and because 25+ keys are the ones where incoming damage starts to go into 1mil+ territory
daring bay
I asked once befor here and somone said 100%
strong forum
180% is when you can perma TC in avatar
daring bay
Ah, maybe ye
daring bay
But wouldnt more haste = more IP = survivability?
still pagoda
more SB uptime
main vault
More haste-lower all cds
still pagoda
IP is just your rage dump)
strong forum
IP isn't part of the reason for survivability, it's the rage cycling
undone sun
ip isn't going to save you
main vault
Well, active cds
still pagoda
and it is not as powerful as it was 4 years ago
daring bay
Well, i am talking about things you cant SB
Anything you can SB you prob wont struggle with even in giga keys
strong forum
Cycling rage through AM for shorter CDs of LS, Avatar, Demo SW
still pagoda
^
main vault
Block uptime and rage gen is the tldr
strong forum
And yes, blockable dmg will never be scary for a warrior unless it's a bolstered the fuck up mob
daring bay
Lets say things like rezan bleed and shadow of zul
strong forum
Or tree boss at 50+ stacks on tyr
daring bay
ur baisicly IP spamming
chrome palm
can anything on gunker be spell reflected?
strong forum
No
daring bay
But at what point does verse become better than haste?
chrome palm
frick
strong forum
When you start dying even though you play correctly
daring bay
becuse the top tanks are all going vers
strong forum
They're still stacking haste
chrome palm
isn't the verse build mainly on brewmasters?
strong forum
But helping their vers with sockets and enchants
chrome palm
and VDH?
strong forum
Vdh goes haste too
daring bay
Nerftank got full vers enchants and gems on
undone sun
good for him
chrome palm
that guy is doing 26's
main vault
BrM doesnt like Haste because they are GCD locked
daring bay
Hes base haste is at 34% which is like 15% lower than mine
strong forum
Yes, as I've said, they're helping their verse.
Brm is stacking vers cuz it's the only thing making em bulkier.
daring bay
and hes vers is at 22% which is like 19% more than mine...
strong forum
Grats
main vault
But
undone sun
% don't matter
main vault
Are you doing 26s?
undone sun
what top players do doesn't matter
daring bay
ohh...and hes runnign a 465 ring with leech...
main vault
Nerftank isnt playing the same game any of us are
still pagoda
^
daring bay
Yeah, but thats the game we all want to strive for and getting an understanding of why he does thing is a step in that direction
main vault
do you mass pull 19s and clear dungeons in 4 pulls?