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#protection
sudden kayak
quick question for all of bfa patches warriors seem to be at the top for mythic dungeons i cant rememeber for the previous expansions do u guys think prot warrior will be again the highest s tier tank class for shadowlands
strong forum
^
sudden kayak
kk
ruby nexus
Should I cleanse EV and Searing flames? That would free up some 60 corruption for maybe a td2 or mind flay with the cost of some ilvl drop?
strong forum
TD2 is well worth it the ilvl drop
modern brook
Thyme comments sound like an ide error
red fern
What is the best way to get gear now in 8.3? I just came back from a break, stopped playing during 8.1
warm plinth
What ilevel are you?
red fern
297 haha
red fern
Played mage in 8.1, but now I switched to my warrior
stiff oracle
M0s when you can
warm plinth
Honestly just spam normal dungeons lol
stiff oracle
Timewalking should give you some gear as well
stiff oracle
Thats pretty big
warm plinth
Forgot it was TW this week tbh
Plus you get a normal raid piece from the weekly (also 430)
red fern
Cool
sick sentinel
Really fun playing arena when opponent mind flay does 1m over the course of 2 minutes
sweet summit
isnt normal raid rewards 445
stiff oracle
Just kill the mindflay 🤔
If you think mindflay is bad, wait til you find a 4stacked gushing DH 😫
cosmic canyon
Nomeratur what's your io? :)
warm plinth
Er yeah, 445, you're right Rosjen
frozen cliff
got this today planning on doing mostly m+ should is sell or keep new to warrior prot
sweet summit
you can get a 465 from a +15, so thats not what youre going to use once you get a 465
strong forum
its a great shield with a socket and good corruption but yeah ilvl will win
youll get more out of it just selling it for a good chunk
sweet summit
yep
delicate gazelle
hey guys question. I main fury 470 atm and can't gear up outside of weekly raid and chest. I want to learn prot and gear up that spec, is most of the gear from dps portable besides the weapons for tank on warrior? Going to be running high lvl keys looting for prot but was hoping to get into tanking some of the lower level keys myself
strong forum
the rule of thumb is
ilvl > haste > crit=vers > mastery
so your stats should overlap fairly nicely
delicate gazelle
so there wouldn't really be a benefit grinding keys for prot gear I could just change spec and get the shield and sword
strong forum
yup
rich lake
Hey guys, just dinged 120 yesterday and started on prot, out of interest for mitigation does Shield Block have priority over Ignore Pain? If so when should I be casting IP?
strong forum
You can chain 3x SB with appropriate amount of haste.
After that you use Last stand to fill the CD downtime of Shield Block which should allow you to get 2 charges of SB again.
So it's "SB->SB->SB->LS->SB->SB"
(For general defensive rotation assuming pure blockable dmg)
You use Avatar and Demo shout on CD.
priority is SS>TC>Revenge>devastate for dmg.
Never cap rage, pump excess rage into IP, not into revenge.(unless you know better)
Don't empty your Rage Bar before needing to use SB.
If you know you will take heavy dmg use SW beforehand.
If you can't keep up SB or LS, fill the gap with shockwave / kiting ( if needed) / shieldwall
Or ask for an external.
%uptime on Shield block is relatively useless to look at, what matters is effective uptime.
ignore pain is purely a dmg smoother and rage dump
rich lake
@strong forum awesome thank you
placid oar
Wow that is great info @strong forum Thx man!
still pagoda
someone pin this already
undone sun
Doesn't really fit the style of other pins
strong forum
thats perfectly fine
mastery isnt a bad stat
just the least desirable because of the availability to bom
placid oar
Only have 18% crit with 33% haste
Ah I see
I was contemplating to drop my haste to 31% and swap for a crit ring
Oh yes, what is the best way to practice and learn routes/pulls? Just keep spamming 10s and 15s?
strong forum
Practice makes perfect, watching streams of people doing high keys can help aswell, aswell as checking out the weekly route on raider.io
placid oar
Woo ok, thank you once again sir
stiff oracle
The more you play the keys the more you will learn what to pull where to use your cds etc. Just play the game a bunch
iron raptor
anyone see any value in avoidance?
long bronze
465 haste proc bit band with 465 3 ability bit band, or two haste/vers 465 rings. I know the proc is good.. like 3 sockets, but I lose like ALL of my vers
strong forum
id sim it
losing vers isnt bad, im doing 20-22s with 3% vers, and could do higher keys
main vault
@iron raptor no
long bronze
Sim for defense?
strong forum
no
iron raptor
ty
long bronze
I was gonna say... that's new
iron raptor
Nex
main vault
Not really
What was that program in like TBC/Wrath for tank defense
This is gonna bug me
strong forum
was playing pvp mostly, and heal in pve back then, wouldnt know about it
long bronze
sim says to use the bit bands, not suprising it's almost 200 free haste
strong forum
i assume you dont have sockets on rings at all
so ye, i would play those
i would lose 2 sockets so its a nono for me
placid oar
Thank you @stiff oracle, will practice. I still have issue maintaining AOE Aggro even after a thunderclap.
long bronze
I have a 465 ring with socket, but it's crit mastery so not really nice
strong forum
then id just run the mechagon combo
long bronze
I forgot one my bit bands also has leech
strong forum
only 2 haste+crit with sockets will be better
main vault
tertiaries are largely worthless
main vault
yeah just really close lol
sick sentinel
Did someone say leech
strong forum
no 
sick sentinel
🏃
long bronze
thanks for the help btw
stiff drum
is it worth downgrading a belt 10 ilvls for a belt that has a socket + void ritual ?
kind of lost on when to downgrade ilvl in terms of corruption + socket
strong forum
that you can sim, but generally id say yes
stiff drum
just sim for dps ?
stiff oracle
@placid oar a revenge helps a lot on aggro, you normally get a free one instantly on pulls. If you see you cant hold aggro after clap, taunt, revenge just stormbolt/shockwave or call for a stun and you should be good on your 2nd clap
strong forum
yes Jentavi
placid oar
Thank you @stiff oracle !
stiff oracle
Np
spiral mason
😦
sweet summit
and im one of them
wooden radish
@ionic fern hello. i just got shadowlands alpha. what prot warrior powers should i be using? is the 20% max hp good for my twilight devs?
sweet summit
wooden radish
all that time typing for bonkcat smh
dusk loom
Hi pretty new to prot what are peoples thoughts on the ideal secondary stat split? I was looking at https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#warrior_protection?data_view=secondary_distributions but cant for the life of me figure out if the haste is including the bump from into the fray
sweet summit
that doesnt matter, haste is still our best stat
but all stats are good, so ilvl is king
wooden radish
@warm plinth hi
dusk loom
for sure
but for enhancements such as gems at what level of haste would I want to stack some vers gems instead
dusk loom
yeah thats what I am currently doing just seeing top end guys slapping vers gems in there so figured it was worth an ask
sweet summit
are you doing "top end keys"?
undone sun
it's only worth if you are doing those same keys, different situations for different people
dusk loom
nope for sure I am basically a 470 ilvl prot warrior with less than ideal stats so trying to migrate those and trying to figure out what I should be striving for
tender spire
Hello, can someone plz enlighten me, how do you pull a dungeon boss without getting out of the obelisk's world ?
dusk loom
sounds good
sweet summit
@tender spire you cant
tender spire
hun ? was sure i saw ppl regularly do it in streams
sweet summit
someone has go to out and pull the boss
analog oyster
I have the following trinkets : Nzoth (470) Urchin (445) Ra-den(460) and Humming (475) What trinkets should I run in M+?
warm basalt
Might be a silly question but is there any soft cap on haste? I'm at 46.87 with full fray stacks.
analog oyster
Why no Nzoth / Urchin?
sweet summit
do you really need a defensive trinket?
Urchin is too low ilvl for it to be worth imo
analog oyster
And you always prio Shield Slam above Thunder clap right?
sweet summit
defensively, yeah. since its more rage. on ST is also more DPS
dapper sundial
5 mask vision as prot or arms? im 469 prot 467 arms with TD3
sweet summit
at 2 or more targets TC>SS is more damage
dapper sundial
keep in mind tho i have 3x CA as arms instead of ToM for pvp
sweet summit
yeah, thats what most people including me do afaik
analog oyster
@sweet summit if you run Ra-den and wrathion, would you run vers sockets? at the moment I am running 5 vers sockets and my stats are like 15 % crit 25% vers, 25% mastery and 25% haste
sweet summit
no, haste
dapper sundial
alright ill prob give it a shot, thanks
sweet summit
all to haste, unless you die even when you play perfectly in VERY high keys
sweet summit
TD is cursed
sweet summit
@analog oyster 25% vers what??? o.O
analog oyster
@sweet summit Is that weird so much?
still pagoda
like...
sweet summit
i have 6%
sweet summit
thats a fuckton of vers, that couldve been haste
analog oyster
Well, almost all my items are haste / vers
still pagoda
19.19% crit
29.91% haste
6.07% verse
31.67% mastery
i'm somewhat chilling with such for now
analog oyster
Both rings are haste / vers and running with TD 4 and 12% vers amp
sweet summit
dont get me wrong, it doesnt really matter. but it looks like you are using versatile corruptions
aha!
analog oyster
I really dont like it to run above 40, I just dont like it
sweet summit
nah thats fine, thats up to you
analog oyster
But that being said, the vers amp only gives me 2% vers
analog oyster
@still pagoda Not making you any jealous, but over 4 chars I have rank 33 TD :X
potent anvil
r7 void ritual 
still pagoda
@still pagoda Not making you any jealous, but over 4 chars I have rank 33 TD :X
@analog oyster
This is my third week after returning to game
will get more and more as time goes
analog oyster
But what is the reason you wanna run so much haste? Since you already get a fuck ton of those 2 trinkets
still pagoda
r7 void ritual
Arms in a nutshell
sweet summit
never enough haste man
left hatch
^
analog oyster
Well, I just dont like to go above 40 and the vers amp keep me under the 40, so why not? 😄
still pagoda
analog oyster
Rank 4 yeah
analog oyster
For exmaple, I got 475 bracers with crit vers, but also 460 with haste / vers but that one has a socket
what do you prio?
sweet summit
socket
left hatch
the socket changes things
potent anvil
My current 39 setup
left hatch
but if that wasn't a factor the crit/verse
dusk loom
would you ever run the 120 strength gem?
left hatch
sim it
still pagoda
My current 39 setup
@potent anvil
Me want that
left hatch
for most of my toons the secondary gems are pulling ahead
analog oyster
Now I have changed my sockets and enchants to haste and I am 33% haste and 16% vers
dusk loom
both guides I have seen say to pop one but haste seems preferable from the discussion I am seeing here
left hatch
its not the wrong answer to use it
and it still has defensive value
cause it increases IP size and gives armor
but again youd have to sim to make sure, due to secondary stats scaling corruption damage and how devalued primaries become compared to secondaries, 60 haste might be better than even 120 str
dusk loom
sounds good
left hatch
also jordy don't fixate too much on your %'s
left hatch
its next to meaningless, and as long as you're not sacrificing ilvl for a certain stat
you're doing gud
analog oyster
Would anyone mind if I set my /simc in a pastebin and send it to you and check what you would run with my gear?
left hatch
there isn't even a certain % breakpoint to aim for, for instance Nom is doing 22's 23's with only 3% verse
sweet summit
nomnom
left hatch
sure, but i can give you a quickie answer
id just sim a patchwerk 3m 1t
Patchwerk 1.5m 3t
and patchwerk 1.5m 5t
and take the set that performs the best across the 3 of em
since defensive differences are likely negligable
sick sentinel
TD is an ass key don’t try to change my mind
Have to unequip all fun in that dungeon in order to not pull through the walls
sick sentinel
Any place I am fighting affixes + bad code is a bad place
Such a doable key
Made annoying by poor design
still pagoda
TD is an ass key don’t try to change my mind [2]
strong forum
its a terrible key, but if you unequip twilight dev in there youre putting a brake on your wheelchair
sick sentinel
TD is the second easiest key tho
still pagoda
with some Shogun 2 shit
TD is the second easiest key tho
Pugs in lower keys will ruin this statement right on first trash packs
sick sentinel
The first trash pulls are the entire beach and or half the beach
🤔
So it's all on you
still pagoda
like. This week i don't pull more than one pack of crabs
but usually just half of beach right away
strong forum
explosive is a nono in pugs
sick sentinel
all the keys I do are pugs
still pagoda
TD especially
strong forum
yes but youre pugging actual keys with people that almost understand the game
sick sentinel
Even when I was a lower io, as long as you called stuff out
and made sure they remembered
formal kayak
which two would be better?
strong forum
Visions are like M0s difficulty wise
formal kayak
hmmm so should I go fury instead?
strong forum
Oof. Those are some bad trinkets
Of those I'd use mechagon +....
Inkpod or phial
You really need to get some haste trinkets like vita /scale/rezans
If you're more comfortable playing fury, play fury for visions. They're rollover easy content so you can play literally any spec
left hatch
the health is lowered
but you don't really need the tanky-damage reduction even on a 5mask
strong forum
That's up to you, I've done all my visions as tank.
As tank mobs in visions have ~32% less hp
karmic shadow
How much haste is too much for M+?
karmic shadow
awesome, someone told me like 42% haste
strong forum
That's a random ass number
formal kayak
MorrisonToday at 9:50 PM
the health is lowered
but you don't really need the tanky-damage reduction even on a 5mask
NomeraturToday at 9:50 PM
That's up to you, I've done all my visions as tank.
As tank mobs in visions have ~32% less hp
my ilvl is 448 btw
not sure if that matters
strong forum
Well Vision mobs don't scale with ilvl
So I'm assuming you're just getting into visions
hollow slate
hmm, do I go for pa'ku racial as prot in m+?
strong forum
Everybody is defaulting to crit one ye, sunOsk
Ive done all my visions as prot from day1, all depends on your comfortability if you want to aswell, doesn't make a huge difference Krainz
formal kayak
I see, thanks
is wrathion's sword useful in M+? I have void ritual and infinite stars also
formal kayak
ok so I wont purify it
hollow slate
your names are so similar i thought you were talking to yourself
karmic shadow
Lmao
strong forum
👀
strong forum
You're pressing the gamer button
sick sentinel
Running 59 corruption is monkaW
sick sentinel
I'm saying in high keys
it's spooky
That eye of corruption will get ya
3 things from beyond at once
🤔
strong forum
For those moments you cloak
sick sentinel
what if you already had 3 things from beyond
🤔
Cloak again
Kek
🏃
just let me reduce the CD
strong forum
They did
main vault
sick sentinel
Cloaks be gone
formal kayak
god bless
strong forum
Idk tho, in my keys tfb hasnt been an issue as of yet. The eye is more dangerous if a 2nd one spawns
strong forum
Obv wouldn't run it in KR or ML
strong forum
Lucky you then
wooden radish
@strong forum oh they made a stormforged 👀
strong forum
Si
undone sun
👀
verbal socket
which order should I grab the essences for my alt (through echos of nyalotha)? 🙂
maiden ravine
I'd do CNS first
VoP can be grinded out over two days
Sphere third, and then I guess formless
If you don't have formless, warden is a good choice for corruption resistance that new alts will need.
Null is a good choice for raids
verbal socket
heh
strong forum
I think r3 is meant with 2 days
main vault
0 chance
strong forum
Really now
verbal socket
i have r1 already
verbal socket
prolly have blueprint too just ned to check pascal
main vault
Ive gotten it on a few alts, think the longest its taken is like 3.5hours
main vault
the longest part is r2 tbh
formal kayak
what essences should I pick for m+?
strong forum
Vop major
Cns lucid warden minor
And get those to r3
formal kayak
should I use those even if rank 1 / 2?
lean arch
how do you manage to not get killed by stacks on wrathion?>
or are externals necessary
lean arch
...mythic stacks
sick sentinel
Like the tank stack that wrathion applies?
lean arch
no
sick sentinel
The slow?
lean arch
yes
sick sentinel
Call for freedom
Or tigers list
Or avatar removes it
But in general you shouldn’t be moving so much your stacks get too high
lean arch
im used to a warlock where 10 stacks is high
but with the moving for tank swaps and everything, idk
sleek wing
what are the best WAs to run for tanking?
sleek wing
kk
cinder fern
Avatar, including VoP procs, drops stacks. Shouldn't be an issue; you can both stand in front of him at angles though so both of you don't get breathed on if you don't want to move though.
amber siren
yeah i was gonna say, avatar should be dropping your wrathion stacks
unless youre jumping/moving unnecessarily
cinder fern
Ah yeah, try not to wiggle too much.
lean arch
i tried it for the first time in a pug last week and got to 50 stacks without really moving at all. no lock tho
maybe unlucko with vop
amber siren
if you dont have a warlock just let wrathion come to you after the first gale intermission, it'll make it easier for tanks and the melee dps
limber gull
hey guys
since im using twilight dev and echoing void is it worth it to use
indomitable
cuz thats what i been goin
still pagoda
Indom is totally useless nowadays
sick sentinel
Indomitable is better than bolster precisely 0% of the time
short tartan
Got socket
left hatch
come back when you fill in the last 2 slots
short tartan
those are drop and none bought
sick sentinel
I'm slacking
I haven't gotten a single bought socket yet
and only like 5 sockets
sick sentinel
actually disgusting luck
exotic spoke
Sup qtpies
left hatch
🥰
limber gull
what are some tips for a new prot warrior as well :#
hollow agate
i'm trying to figure out the essence set up for prot in m+ and i thought it was vision major but i saw some people running lucid major?
hollow agate
ahh
mild ore
how big is impassive visage
mortal brook
couple K hps
best option in the ring. lil better than resounding, much better than the rest
cursive hedge
Hi all, what do you guys consider the best guide on prot warriors? I didn't see one in the pinned comments
mild ore
keep clapping
cursive hedge
@mild ore what?
modern brook
mild ore
how good is mechanized plate chasse compared to other chests
is it worse than toldagor chest?
in terms of m+
cursive hedge
Is it a good idea to solo visions as a prot warrior?
meager wind
Hello, I got a friend who has a rezan's gleaming eye at 475 and refuses to farm Raden's or Wrathion's trinkets, are those inferior options?
inland silo
i mean rezans is fine
but youd also want at least vita to go with it
rezans and dragonscale are kinda interchangeable
mild ore
for real?
sick sentinel
yes
stark ruin
@cursive hedge up to you, I for one always do them as prot
But if the question is whether prot is fine for visions, then absolutely
stark ruin
I find most tank specs to be great for visions
mild ore
just run crucible major in visions so you can melt bosses
trash just dies instantly as prot anyway
alpine shard
C&S stronger for bosses. C&S stronger for <5 Targets. So unless you pull big for the majority of the dungeon, C&S is better.
analog oyster
What potion we use a prot? Just Unbridled Fury?
wicked rover
Yeah okay ty
alpine shard
Unbrial for pure dps. Strenght for dps and defence. proximity for battlepot in dungeons.
analog oyster
What you mean with battlepot in dungeons?
analog oyster
Whats the reason behind that?
alpine shard
Proximity with 5 targets gives 1800 str, more than unbridal or str pot gives
analog oyster
But why wouldnt you use it as prepot in dungeons too then if you run into a pack?
maiden ravine
Cause if you're that close you're in combat
analog oyster
Ah so it only works if you are like in the pack, and not if you use it and then walk into the packj
So most of the time you prepot with a strength potion and when in the pack, you use the proximity
alpine shard
You also gotta consider the pack. if its only 3 mobs, Strenght pot is more value.
analog oyster
I need to get more keybinds for all those potions 😛
analog oyster
I love lightfoot potions, best thing in the game
wicked rover
I end up using my lightfoot a lot too
sharp night
?
why do people keep spreading misinformation about proximity pots
you can prepot proximity
it dynamically adjusts to the number of targets around you
when mobs die you lose str, when you pull more you gain str
analog oyster
@sharp night So you would always use proximity?
analog oyster
When would you use strength potion?
sharp night
str is only good for exactly 3 targets
which is extremely rare
so i just never bother carrying str pots
it's such a minor optimization that it doesn't matter
it's 135 more str on a str pot in 3 target situations
than a proximity
literally doesn't matter
analog oyster
I got jebaited then
sharp night
meh it's not a big deal either way
cosmic canyon
You'd use strength on every pack
Proximity is only valuable once you're in combat, that means your pot CD won't reset until you leave combat.
sharp night
stop
spreading
misinformation
i just corrected it above
proximity dynamically updates
you prepot proximity
run into a pack
and get 1800 str
when you have 5 mobs and one dies, it will drop to 1440 str
there is no "wait until combat to proximity" that you are talking about
cosmic canyon
Sweet!
strong forum
Idk who ever thought proximity would be a snapshot potion
It's literally aegis, but potion
Nothing more nothing less
sick sentinel
sucks that aegis doesn't work on neutral targets
rip my pot on freehold and other stuff like shrine 😢
pliant sail
New to prot here, is there a list of what spells in mythic + are reflected with spell reflect? Or should I just cast it on CD when there’s magic damage?
upper violet
rocky linden
Just need a better healer, right?
sweet summit
@pliant sail there is a sheet with reflectable spells in #268491842637660160
pliant sail
I found it, thank you! I shouldve looked there first lol sorry
tender spire
Hey, do you guys know why in WCM on lord/lady waycrest, i see tank warriors regularly intervene a range party member ? what do they run away from ? saw that in the mdi runs of complexity limit and method eu guys as well
alpine shard
You buy yourself a few seconds to spellreflect every cast of Wasting Strike
steep wraith
He need to be in melee range of you to cast it
So if you run away, he fails to cast and will try again
steep wraith
You can heroic leap away too, it's just about creating enough distance between you and the boss
tender spire
ok i get it
but does going away from him acts as an interrupt ?
or i just have to somehow time it ?
steep wraith
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe you can react to him casting it
sweet summit
basically just outranges it
steep wraith
So:
- He starts the cast
- You leap/intervene away
- He ends the cast, but being out of melee range he cannot reach you
- He runs to you and starts to cast again
tender spire
ok
steep wraith
Normally you have to do 2 sets of outranging for spell reflect to come back
tender spire
but i run away from it, isnt there any risk that he casts it on an other melee player ?
sweet summit
unless they taunt, no
thin pecan
That's awesome, didn't know that. Has anyone documented a list of big brain advanced plays like this before?
strong forum
That's about the only big brain play there is, rest is pretty straight forward.
And also no
thin pecan
Ok cool, ty
strong forum
Maybe outranging zul hopping between in and out of range
Same with los'ing "shoot" casts hopping in and out of Los to not have the cast go off but start it ASAP again without getting hit
thin pecan
ok wow thanks 
brittle owl
you can do that in shrine against water blasts
virtually any cast you can big brain dip in and out of range
lucid mica
Is it better to have the correct azerites 465 or a maybe good maybe not ones 480?
sweet summit
ilvl is king
lucid mica
I come from vdh where ilv is the only that amtters xdd
sweet summit
the only thing you drop ilvl for is your first DC trait, and thats only like 15 ilvl
all tanks like ilvl more than anything
undone sun
Common for tanks @lucid mica
lucid mica
Ty ^^
analog oyster
A warlock just looted this and equipped it..
strong forum
It do be like that
analog oyster
'Vers is my 2nd best stat' Like can you even think?
main vault
Its not terrible for them
strong forum
It's bis for pvp, I can tell you that much
lethal sail
Which wa are you guys using for spell reflect notifications in 8.3?
daring bay
How good is that ring thou? dont we want TD or %Haste?
sweet summit
its alright, has haste
strong forum
We want TD, that's about it, rest is filler with vers% haste% or ineffable truth
cinder jackal
Is there a non-corruption bis list?
mental anchor
You can’t have one really because how random corruption is
cinder jackal
Acknowledging you can’t easily have a bis list with corruption
mental anchor
But anything with haste vers would be on my list
cinder jackal
Yeah, that’s why I asked for a non-corruption one lol
still pagoda
literally all haste-verse/haste-crit items in the game
cinder jackal
But, if it’s that simple at least to start with, I can just look through loot tables
still pagoda
BiS lists won't return until SL(and even then they may change their plans and add something spicy instead of continuing their current line of no random procs on gear)
rn it is totally redundant to make one
Except for Get'ikku
mental anchor
Even that get can be beat out by a 475 with a corruption though
still pagoda
pretty much
cinder jackal
Isn’t that a 2h?
sweet summit
it is
still pagoda
yes
just an example of the only BiS item
that is BiS for DPS specs
and not for us ofk
analog oyster
Does it matter which racial you are compared to high you jump? I feel like I can barelly get to some snap points because I am a vulpera
strong forum
Everybody jumps the same height, apart from dh with double jump obv
analog oyster
I went vulpera because it looked fun, now I wanna change to something else, but the Racial passive does quite alot of healing in a dungeon 12% ish, not sure if I should switch
analog oyster
Just because of that healing?
strong forum
On the weakest moment of every pull, the start
sick sentinel
If you are panda you have no weak moments
strong forum
Except when someone puts down food buff
mental anchor
Lol vulpera bis go tiran. You get better healing
runic quail
Got a question: How often are you guys using your Rage offensively (Revenge without proc) in 20+ keys?
sick sentinel
Healer puts down fish feast
Must stop to eat
Also @runic quail free revenge should be done rarely
If ever
mental anchor
I never use revenge if it isn’t free better to spend the rage on IP in high keys
strong forum
I'm certain, kultiran racial does not amount to more than 2.5k hps
But that might just be me and my math
runic quail
It’s just that sometimes i‘m sitting on rage
runic quail
Because of aoe stuns cc etc
strong forum
Ignore Pain is your rage dump
You can revenge if TC and SS are on CD
Outside of that, pump excess rage into IP
Even if you will cap IP
mental anchor
We increase vers by 1% and heal for 2% of all damage taken over next 4 seconds
runic quail
Ah ok
strong forum
Yes, that's not even close to what vulpera racial amounts to
sick sentinel
Lul tiran is beta next
silent cargo
If we're talking racials, Worgen can skidaddle slightly faster for a few seconds, so
mental anchor
What is vulpera?
silent cargo
Oh my
strong forum
Because it scales greatly with AP
runic quail
Yet you lost all street credibility in OG
strong forum
Unluck
mental anchor
At least I keep full cred with the daddyboddy
shut summit
🦊
sweet summit
royal temple
hey, how is protection at doing 5 masks or would i be better off going arms for it ? :p
sweet summit
any spec can solo 5mask at this level of cloak
strong forum
Tanks have quite an easy time.
Play whatever you're most comfortable with
spiral mason
Visions 😴
rocky linden
Easily doable as all three, I've found fury to be the easiest, but I wouldn't switch to any spec you're not familiar with
pulsar garnet
hi this is kinda a general question but since im prot ill post it here does heart of darkensss work if my corruption equiped is higher than 25 but my actual corruption is lower because of resist?
pulsar garnet
ok thank you
my current stats are 23%crit 32%haste 45%mastery 3%vers taking lower ilvl gear to increase my vers is this a good idea? and the difference in ilvl is 465-445
stiff oracle
no
pulsar garnet
feel like magic dmg is just wrecking me so hard
stiff oracle
what key lvls are u doing
stiff oracle
then your amount of vers is far from your issue
I think @strong forum said he has 3% vers
pulsar garnet
so in other words im just a bad player lol😅
tame garden
Probably
stiff oracle
not necesarilly
pulsar garnet
lmao
stiff oracle
but you can definitely improve
tame garden
Maybe your dps dont kick
stiff oracle
as can your groups
pulsar garnet
i mean this isnt saying much but i can solo clear full vision
stiff oracle
ye that means nothing 😅
pulsar garnet
didnt think so they seem too easy
stiff oracle
do you have an insanely low ilvl shield or something
pulsar garnet
465 disc of imdomitable will
mental anchor
That’s should be fine for your ilvl
stiff oracle
ye thats not a problem
pulsar garnet
now tbh no healers have ever said yo your a paper tank
i just feel like sometime im taking too much dmg
stiff oracle
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pulsar garnet
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mental anchor
Run magic barrier essence if it’s magic dmg blowing you up
stiff oracle
hard to tell you "this is what you are doing wrong"
mental anchor
Yeah if you have a log we can look at it and tell you based on time stamps
stiff oracle
just read the faq
junior ivy
upper violet
weird flex
warm plinth
@wooden radish Hi
main vault
Dunno which part of that is a flex, saying its in stock?
more weird to think thats a flex
wooden radish
@warm plinth
warm plinth
Why am I being bonked
chilly brook
@chrome palm just checked Amazon they're all in stock chief
wintry ermine
vita 460 vs butchers block 465?
main vault
I havent heard of any shortage in months
chilly brook
@wintry ermine what's your other trinket
sweet summit
vita
wintry ermine
475 humming with socket
sweet summit
vita
chilly brook
Then Vita tbh
wintry ermine
or 475 torment 😉
sweet summit
always vita
chilly brook
Consider swapping it out for block on necrotic though
Alternatively you could just sim it to see which lets you pump more
Neither is a bad defensive option and won't be make or break
sweet summit
vita is too good not to have, id swap scale if you wanted the block or torment instead
wintry ermine
have been skipping heroic weeks, so I dont have vita yet, but since its an actual upgrade I'll go do heroic this week.
got a 475 vita but had to trade it (council)
chilly brook
Wait you dont have it then why are you asking about it lol
wintry ermine
I've already answered that, to ask if heroic is worth doing or not.
main vault
with corruption its alwys generally worth doing, if guild farm
strong forum
Nothing beats a hc vita except mythic vita imo
maiden ravine
I need to kill ra den more. I most just use dragonscale cause it's easier to get
sick sentinel
https://i.imgur.com/DNFFkQg.png worth swapping leech + haste?
left hatch
leech is almost never a factor to consider
sick sentinel
Alright if we don't think about the leech
sick sentinel
Alrighty
strong forum
I'd use the haste + td rings, the socket one is kinda terrible
But it is 15ilvl+socket mh.
I'd sim it tbh
Sucks that's your TD ring has terrible stats
sweet summit
all stats are good stats 
chilly brook
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You're welcome
chilly brook
I honestly wouldn't buy a GPU rn anyways though tbh
chrome palm
im also looking for 2070s
chilly brook
New consoles are dropping at the end of the year and with them new GPUs
chrome palm
well the nvidia announcement is the 15th
strong forum
Had a look at gpus, everything pretty much available here but I don't really need it, 1080 still doing a solid and don't plan on playing any new games this year besides wow
Besides Baldurs gate
strong forum
was debating 2080s or 2080ti but its just not worth it 
exotic plover
Probably the wrong discord but looking for anyone who have had the same problem with the legendary cloak not working correctly
Example:
(short clip cus discord size limits)
strong forum
interesting
rocky linden
Pretty sure it's disabled for clickers by design
strong forum
maybe try re-equipping it
exotic plover
Haha, I have it binded now and its a old recording
Its been like this for 2 months
I have re-equiped it before
cosmic canyon
I'm clicking it and it works. You recently upgraded your cloak? Make a ticket either way.
exotic plover
Done that
Got a answer and its apperantly if I use my cloak to fast after a grand delusion hitting me with >59 corruption
verbal kayak
Hey guys, I am new here. I have a question is the only way to kite the mob is to charge him, pummel and then jump away or intercept to some other mob? What if this mobs cast is not interruptible? Maybe some engineering items?
verbal kayak
Hmm, any ranged one I'd say when the affix is the one that makes them heal standing in pool
strong forum
running away
verbal kayak
Like Temple of Sethralis marksman
for instance
Okay so basically what I've been doing
breaking LOS
strong forum
you can engineering belt once ever 10minutes
but typically yes, outranging or los will force ranged mobs to move
you need to have aggro on them obv
verbal kayak
Obviously, I am just asking because sometimes its hard to in mythics, and often my friends are asking me to move mob, but I simply can't if I can't break LOS
So if there is not any other way I guess I will just plan route
Having in mind those encounters
strong forum
some mobs also target random players even with aggro, so the entire group needs to move
rocky linden
Invite a monk or DK to your team 🙂
strong forum
or druids
verbal kayak
Yeah we are kinda new to this
Still trying to figure out the dungeons and stuff, I am reading a lot about specifically playing protection and my off-spec fury, and about dungeons and tactics etc.
I thought I would ask as this thing was really bugging me
Thanks for answer guys
strong forum
Practice makes perfect, youre always welcome to ask
verbal kayak
Yeah I've been wondering lately even if I should reroll DK
chilly brook
@strong forum outside of some driver issues at the early part of the new year I've been super happy with team red with the 5700xt
verbal kayak
because of the grip
strong forum
i mean thats up to you
verbal kayak
but I heard their movement is lacking, and they can sometimes be one-shotted
chilly brook
I've been enjoying my DK as an alt
strong forum
BDK is very prone to getting oneshot and are literal wheelchairs in speed and damage
but they only die to 1shots in 22+
below that any class/spec/tank is playable
verbal kayak
I am an altoholic, and just lately started to force myself to finally main a character
and have a max of 1 alt
chilly brook
I was going to say I've yet to be one shot xD
chilly brook
Pretty much what Nom said
verbal kayak
Yeah but I find many classes fun, and no time to play them all and master them all 😛
strong forum
it do be like that
verbal kayak
Thanks guys you are really nice 🙂
chilly brook
Like at a certain point I honestly play alts more than my main because I realistically have no reason to play it other than raid or pushing a key
verbal kayak
Yeah I get that but tbh I was all about alts, and had no main whatsoever
chilly brook
And I like having options available as a tank
verbal kayak
I found that I wasn't doing end-game at all
strong forum
i dont find joy having nothing geared to the teeth, so im almost an OTP
i only start playing alts when i cant get better at my current main be it gear or skill
verbal kayak
Yeah I like tanking, I always liked it the most - my real problem is even if I have decent gear in my opinion, and I know tactics well
People won't take me on higher keys or HC raids
They expect having Curve achiv, but how can I get it before getting to HC raid first 😄
Thats so stupid 😛
i only start playing alts when i cant get better at my current main be it gear or skill
@strong forum That is my tactic for now 🙂
strong forum
i almost got curve and CE on jaina on the same kill
verbal kayak
I have two final questions if I may.
strong forum
people overrate achievements
but its hard to judge a random without any sort of proof
verbal kayak
Yeah you can buy boost with gold nowadays
strong forum
thats the reality of it
chilly brook
That's kinda where I'm at my monk is 472, so I'm not realistically getting anything out of it unless I'm pushing IO or raiding
verbal kayak
So even Raider IO is of no use at all
chilly brook
IO is flawed but it's still the best option you have to gauge without playing with someone
strong forum
it doesnt represent direct skill
the only thing it represents is "this dude has done keys at X level"
rocky linden
I find DK to be a very fun tank for easy/farm content, but pretty damn frustrating for anything that's actually hard
strong forum
well the hard content is only high keys
outside of that every tank can do everything
verbal kayak
And how about Prot/Fury Warrior performing in Shadowlands? I heard there will be many nerfs
chrome palm
If I have Vial, Vita, and Sporepods trinkets
should i always run vita and vial?
or is sporepods worth it?
verbal kayak
I am worrying that at the point when I chose my main and liked it, it will be ruined by balance
strong forum
balance doesnt affect you unless youre top 50 world
be it keys or raiding
im at 3.2k io with a feral, boomy and rsham as my group in keys
balance doesnt dictate what you can and cant do
verbal kayak
Hmm, I guess you are right, how are you finding healing with rsham on mythics?
chrome palm
prot is taking huge nerfs though. That's pretty uncontroversial until we see the legendaries
the legendaries could be OP and balance out prot
strong forum
theres no balance yet
chrome palm
but that thread on the official forums describes all the nerfs
should I really just never equip sporepods trinket?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jenzsBQWiigjfiTAwZES2E
chilly brook
The one thing I would say is they destroyed the talent tree that's it
strong forum
1 or 2 dungeons without logs or proper dmg meters nor gear is not a benchmark
strong forum
feelycraft is not a benchmark
chrome palm
demo shout getting halved
chilly brook
I'm well aware of the changes
strong forum
i know of the changes
chrome palm
anger management nerfed
strong forum
its only getting nerfed cuz theyre overly strong right now
doesnt mean the class will be bad
verbal kayak
Are there any professions you would recommend for tanking? I heard alchemy is good as it extends the elixir time, I was also thinking about blacksmithing and engineering. Any of those have some cool advantages I could use in combat?
chrome palm
we could get OP legendaries though
chilly brook
Doesn't necessarily mean we'll be worse off in anything except for playstyle
chrome palm
i just dont want to play brewmaster again
strong forum
then dont
strong forum
like, tank balance is and has been great throughout bfa
wanna know whats the bigger epeen?
chrome palm
shaman tank
strong forum
being the underdog spec that does better than your average meta tank
because youre better at the game
because thats what ultimately decides what you can and cant do
chrome palm
look, you're ruining my ability to blindly complain without justification
strong forum
unluck
chilly brook
Then don't complain without justification
chrome palm
ok
verbal kayak
So besides my profession question, do you mind if I link you my raidbots report for you to help me out, how can I improve or is it a bad place to do so?
strong forum
profession you can go BS for easy belt + pants craft
engineering gets you a CR and a decently good azerite helmet
alchemy gets you a decent trinket
chrome palm
i wonder if it'll be another xpac where alchemy and enchanting are best again
strong forum
JC gets you a great ring
chrome palm
idk how they fix that
strong forum
SL will have targeted stat crafting
massive overhaul
alot more enchants on alot of slots
chrome palm
the weapon oils look cool
chrome palm
and there are belt enchants now
chilly brook
Like dont get me wrong, I think they're taking the changes a little too far in regards to the talent tree and I see it as a knee jerk reaction to community perception. Especially considering we're losing VoP and Azerite Traits.
chrome palm
idk shamans were complaining when they got destroyed
in BFA beta
and they were told the same thing
to wait because it's beta
chilly brook
Yea and everyone complained that prot warrior was paper and wasn't viable for BFA during beta
chrome palm
i'm not aware of that
chilly brook
I went 5/8m in Uldir and look what happened
strong forum
in the bin
chilly brook
All because major streamers said it was trash
strong forum
everybody made fun of protwarri in beta and 8.0
one of the reasons why i joined this discord, was to defend the spec
and show people that it was possible to play good
chrome palm
i think the anger management build is gonna be dead
chilly brook
Meanwhile I memed on my cotank in terms of damage done and damage taken
strong forum
sure, that doesnt mean prot will be dead
chrome palm
they seem to want you to take heavy repurcussions in SL
chilly brook
He couldn't even take the full combo on Zekvoz
chrome palm
they might be trying to make it better at raid or something
strong forum
they didnt think through their build
they wanted AM to be nerfed
thats it
nothing more nothing less, because the cookie cutter build we have currently is too dominant
oblique garnet
All the changes in alpha are still alpha changes alot of things might and will most likely still change
chrome palm
well they nerfed into the fray, booming voice, and unstoppable force too
and demo shout
strong forum
yes, because its all too dominant
chrome palm
and battle shout
chilly brook
Tbh the best thing you can do imo is just suggest they make AM baseline
strong forum
well all class buffs are nerfed
verbal kayak
If you don't mind I'd appreciate some guidance on how could I improve, what to do, which items, talents, essences to change ->https://raider.io/characters/eu/burning-legion/loknarash
chrome palm
which AM @chilly brook
strong forum
so thats not an argument
chrome palm
the bfa AM or the SL one
chrome palm
they should make AM baseline and make Bastion of Might replace the talent
chilly brook
And the only reason the SL one exists is to make the other choices on the tier more palatable
strong forum
dont take anima as an essence, work on getting conflict and strife / sphere and use that
azerite is fine
oblique garnet
First thing to improve would be to get rank 3 essences all
chrome palm
i mean ion came out and said to not expect any more spec changes
oblique garnet
Your gear is still relatively low ilvl so basically just spam keys for that 465 baseline loot
chrome palm
it's just strange because prot isn't OP in terms of surviveability
chilly brook
He also said to be vocal because they want to hear our feedback
oblique garnet
What
chrome palm
the MDI people take it for damage