due to the adds at the end probably
#protection
left hatch
but on high enough tyr id still probably use an TA build over TD
cause that has a significant st dps increase
same reason why on a dps youd use ClF over say iris
sick sentinel
There are still adds in the dungeon. Td still does good st damage with prot, and obelisk with last boss is almost required in high tyran keys
And you changing your corruption for a very minor st increase on bosses isnt changing shit lol
left hatch
tbf with the case of workshop you could say the inverse is also true
changing from a ST build to a TD aoe build for a minor aoe dps increase
sick sentinel
And classes ive seen dont use clf, they use the reapin
left hatch
wouldn't have an impact either
hallow phoenix
in raids even on something like shadhar TD is usually the go-to over TA
it stronk in st
sick sentinel
Td is still vastly better overall
analog zinc
raden with double hpriest rsham ._.
left hatch
maybe im bias cause iv been on my HDH for awhile
and the difference is way more drastic with a smoller health pool and stacking giga verse
so TA pumps
hallow phoenix
TD should be simming higher than TA in single target
it does for me at least but i dont have many 470+ TA pieces
left hatch
the diff in health pool would probably account for that
sick sentinel
Isnt that normal
Don't remember where we didnt use scrolls lol
Remember a key?
analog zinc
when you're a cheapass
left hatch
i mean.. before this season we didn't bother unless we were pushing a new difficulty
analog zinc
^
left hatch
the scroll nerf is gonna hurt come shadowlands
and drum debuff might make a lust class required for high pushing :/
still pagoda
at last... Mages won't be just about IM CUMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSTING/I HAVE ICE IN MY VEINS
left hatch
idk only have 1 mage and he doesn't do keys
left hatch
you still have 4heads that have ./shout associated with their cd
almost every outlul iv played with
has some stupid and or weeby thing associated with their 5buff
still pagoda
You definitely need to track those coomers fire mages
otherwise it will be a total disaster
Though this week is definitely not for big pulls... Especially with pugs
hallow phoenix
just bring 3 unholy DKs and pull all of outside TD with lust
mobs die before explosions go off
grab the turtles too
sick sentinel
Whats up with this especially with pugs shit lmao
I don't think pugs depict if you can do something or not
If youre with pugs, youre a pug also lol
Every key i do is a pug and ive got to world 40+ for prot doing that
still pagoda
Pugs in your key/rio bracket are much better then where i currently exist
Being a low rio crab like me is miserable and rewarding at the same time
You're in a constant awareness that 80% of DPS peeps in +10-15 keys can't even kick casts or do damage higher than 35k, yet every bit of rio feels like victory
Maybe i will be able to break out of lower keys this week. My rio is still low, yet it grows 
foggy fractal
Alright, fellas. Here's a big question for you. I'm a warrior at 2k .io and I wanna take my tanking up to 3k. I get worried about dying or messing up, how do I get from A to B in terms of what I'm doing?
sick sentinel
The only way to get your io up and become a better tank in m+ is to push your limits and practice more difficult content
There’s no real recipe
still pagoda
^
foggy fractal
Is there some kinda recipe or strat for extra survivability when pushing those 20s?
sick sentinel
No recipe. Play your class well, plan your routes, and coordinate cds with your group
maiden ravine
I used to shout, "I'm validating my raid spot" when I lusted on my shaman in wrath and cata
limpid pawn
don't dps him at all at the start
just slight fake dps but 1 TD can pull threat off lol
sick sentinel
If you are ripping threat with td1 I smell a turd in the group
tawdry flower
Is gore block and vita better than vita and scale? the goreblock is 465 while everything else is 460
analog zinc
@tawdry flower nope
sick sentinel
💯
tawdry flower
ok. i only really do keys so alot of the information was conflicting. thanks a ton
cinder storm
Does clockwork heart stack?
mortal brook
yes
cinder storm
ty
karmic flame
does anyone have any logs for this? i cant find any reflect of thing in logs
sweet summit
It looks like you took damage from it in the logs
But in reality you reflected it 🤷
karmic flame
anything i can see that indicates its been reflected?
wind galleon
lol, came here to ask that
sweet summit
If you used spell reflect before you took damage from it i guess?
amber siren
The weak aura that tracks spell reflect damage might be able to track it but that’s just a guess
wind galleon
I did see that but that's for details! addon
undone sun
Logs show reflected 90% of the time
karmic flame
thyme, got a log i can see, please?
amber siren
I meant that the wa for details to show reflect damage doesn’t interact with with combat logs, it’s just for details like Amis said
sweet summit
I havent seen it show as reflected in any of my logs
Always looks like i took damage from it
sweet summit
Because i know i reflected it
undone sun
ah, think i found it now https://i.imgur.com/qmeb8PS.png
sweet summit
But if you go to damage taken, do you see grand delusions there?
sick sentinel
Hey guys, I'm wanting to try and really get into high end PVE content; pushing mythic + etc and i want to play prot warrior, i've already unlocked dark iron dwarves and im about 5k rep away from unlocking kultiran humans. From everything I've been reading their racial Brush It Off (1% increase vers and heal 2% of damage taken over 4 seconds) is gnna be crazy strong and seems like it will work really well with the new warrior talent Indomitable we're getting (Increase max health 10%, heal 1% of max health per 10 rage spent)
I've leveled a dark iron dwarf to 75 this week but i'm just wondering if, for someone who really wants to take things seriously next expansion, it's worth rerolling Kul Tiran human when i unlock them in a few days?
sorry if this has already been discussed recently, i did have a look through the faq first
sweet summit
Races are all looks
left hatch
for the most part ^ this
the only meaningful racials are utility
for alliance thats Dwarf, DI Dwarf and Nelf
both flavors of dwarfs have a self cleanse that works on bleeds and necrotic, something that nothing else in the game can dispel
so with the current dungeons and affixes they're arguably the strongest for pushing high keys
but that benefit is niche and you should go with what you like the look of
sick sentinel
so the 2% of damage taken healing isn't as strong as people are suggesting?
left hatch
as far as shadowlands is concerned i very much doubt they'll change race balalnce to have meaningful impact, and its to early to say anything given its still early alpha
its no stronger than it is now, and indomitable has no synergy with that whatsoever
sick sentinel
okay i'll stick to dark iron then, figure blacksmithing racial will work nicely to make my own gear
thankyou for the replies 🙂
distant crystal
you reflected it to nyalotha and it hit n'zoth so it doesn't show in logs
lore checks out
also replying to old ass chat
analog oyster
Is vulpera worth it with the passive healing thing?
sweet summit
Depends on how rich you are
I think they look dumb so i say no
analog oyster
I am one atm, but did consider to switch to blood elf for the racial
sweet summit
Belf racial value goes down the more purges/other belfs you have in your group
karmic flame
weird. i dont see any deflect in my logs.
dark saddle
guys really need help on vexiona H. im 472 geared but melting during the add beam (our tank strat is i tank the adds monk get the boss whole time)
were doing a 10man H raid
healers are shaman and priest
during the add beam, do the healers need to always dispel me?
or just once
sweet summit
Get a dispell or three
dark saddle
but theres only 2 healers
sorry no idea on healers
should i tell them to pop healing cds on me?
on my part i just make suer i got IP up and reflect right
sweet summit
Nah, you should be fine as long as they dispell you before 10 stacks afaik
dark saddle
do i need sB?
dark saddle
ok i tell them b4 10 stacks
ok2
so b4 flying phase
its probably 2 beams
so i do IP SR and demo
then IP SR and wall on 2nd?
or i guess what ur saying is just use any def cds i have at those times
but just not all
so alternate wall and demo
sorry new to prot warrior
dark saddle
should i use VoP just to be safe
sweet summit
Wall is good to use
dark saddle
last week i used CoF based on guide
sweet summit
Well yeah
maiden ravine
for M+ the Vulpera defensive racial is pretty good, on my DK it's a solid 5% of my mitigation in dungeons
dark saddle
last quesiton this time on the adds in vexiona, there is this one caster add that i cant seem to bring to the boss
sweet summit
Ask for a ranged kick/dk grip
dark saddle
when the aadds spawn should i find it first and interupt then get agggro
sweet summit
Nothing you can do
sweet summit
Also ask for trick of the trade/misdirect
dark saddle
sorry really last, during the flying phase
theres a time when the add casts beam and boss would do her breath
how do i manage that
should i just keep moving
im afraid i hit the raid with the ad beam
but at the same time might die on breath
sweet summit
Make sure you have a marker, and move. But try not to move with the group, move by yourself so you dont catch someone with the beam
dark saddle
from boss
sweet summit
Yeah, its the dps players job to not move on you when he casts beam
Let them know its comming
sweet summit
And you are having a hard time living beam still, ask for an external if you dont have anything yourself
dark saddle
thank you so much! so far vex is really giving me the issue.
ok2 ill tell the healers
oblique garnet
Your life is all on healers in vexiona theres not much you can do if they dont dispel you
dark saddle
yeah i saw them dispelling me last time
ill tell them to do b4 10 stacks
i just want to make sure im doing my part as the tank
so for me just keep IP SR and what other def CD up
ill also try VoP this time
but im really better on the adds here right compared to Vexiona herself as the tank strat
other tank is a Monk
brittle owl
you're better on the boss
monk can speedy taunt adds into position
you also are easier to top off as a warrior
so it's better for the tank debuff
hidden plaza
19 workshop would you run anything different with essences like null major or anything being tyrannical?
strong forum
Cof major, null vop cns minor
still pagoda
lvl 2 CnS just requires you to get friend or 2 and run some arena for fun
same for lvl3
but over few weeks
still pagoda
arena with friends is just more fun
hidden plaza
yeah im 1 or 2 weeks out from r3 depends on what rating i can get
still pagoda
and you can also get yourself lvl4 with fair amount of time investment
sweet summit
lvl 2 CnS just requires you to get friend
empty nacelle
still pagoda
pretty much
just be good and don't be a dick
a lot of people will magnet to you even if you're Russian
empty nacelle
wtf
dark saddle
oh ok
upper violet
damn imagine having friends
dark saddle
ill try to tank vexiona then ty2
astral grail
Hi folks. Is there an addon/WA to track when Shield Block and other spells are active?
strong forum
In #268491842637660160 you can find a great SB WA
The rest you can easily make yourself
The template feature offers alot of already existing buffs that you simply have to input, if you want specific stuff you can simply change the name of the buff in "triggers"
astral grail
Awesome, thank you very much 🙂
Wondered if there was somethign the community was using rather than rolling my own first
astral grail
Sounds like you're trying to name Elon Musk's next child there @golden bridge
golden bridge
haha sorry, it was my kid 😦
analog oyster
How much haste unbuffed you wanna have?
analog oyster
Atm I am running 22 haste and 27 5 Vers, getting alot of crit/vers items..
mental anchor
44 haste, 15 vers 20 crit here
bronze acorn
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Erdismo should i cleanse ring to get , to get echoing void rank 3 with socked (stats 85 versa , 103 mastery)
btw echoing void is on wrist
cinder jackal
Stepping into Mythic in jist a couple of weeks, and have only been tanking Ny’Alotha foe 2 clears so quite fresh!
Is there anything particularly alarming from my stats that needs some immediate work?
sick sentinel
In general as prot you’ll want to prio ilvl
cinder jackal
Cheers. Was aware haste was a bit lacking. Will see what I can do about it.
I assume any sockets are still str prio?
bronze acorn
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/Erdismo should i cleanse ring to get , to get echoing void rank 3 with socked (stats 85 versa , 103 mastery)
World of Warcraft
Erdismo - Character - WoW
Erdismo (Kazzak) - 120 Blood Elf Protection Warrior, 476 ilvl
btw echoing void is on wrist
bronze acorn
can i do any improvments on my gear changed all sockets to haste and enchants to vers
enchants to haste*
dusk loom
Hi All - Is there a listing anywhere of the best essences for particular dungeons? Such as you likely want to use null barrier in ML.
dark saddle
TY for the advice earlier on H vexiona. Killed her with me tanking and Bdk on adds.
chilly brook
Add tanking as prot is scary just because it's so much more dependent on your healer
amber siren
plz yeet me into the sun
high nacelle
is it possible to fear thing from beyond?
amber siren
yeah you can fear and stun it
high nacelle
it blows up everytime i try to fear it lol
amber siren
int shout doesnt have a very long range, either needs good timing or just move away a little as you cast to make sure it doesn't collide with you
high nacelle
alrighty thanks mate
coral hollow
hello beasts, what are the best essences to go horrific visions with masks ?
wild nova
I usually do it with the m+ setup. It's not as hard to do as it once was. Gear and corruption makes it easier to do.
amber siren
CoF is very popular to help with ST damage
coral hollow
tyvm
oblique garnet
vop major and just proc td
Pull every zone in one pull
and then dc and deplete a vision
warm plinth
I did that once, and I was irrationally upset about it for 2 days
strong forum
Depleting a vision is a horrible feeling
limpid pawn
Monk is better MT for vexiona mythic because of expel harm fully healing you every despair
If you are saving orbs that way, which you absolutely should - this means no dependency on healer for that at all
But you take less damage as a warrior if you’re playing it right. So the healing requirement I think is lower if your a war.
frosty ridge
best MT is LPS
warm plinth
Yeah it really is Nome
left hatch
i love when Discord doesn't scroll down, so you try replying to a message 3 decades old (:
cinder jackal
Was that in response to my post?
chilly brook
@warm plinth WoW has a way of making you irrationally upset over stupid things
left hatch
oh yeh it was dave
and i was just reiterating what hawgz and nom said, that your haste is kinda low but, as long as you're taking your highest ilvl for ever slot but rings and trinkets you arn't doing anything wrong
just unlucky
last mason
Is shell ever worth taking as a default trink
I have a 465 block, scale, and a 475 vial as wel
Trying to figure out which to combo
For m+
cinder storm
Depends on the level of key that you are doing
strong forum
Only if you feel like you need it
I'm not using it in my 20-22s
And neither is nerf in his 25/26s
I probably won't ever use it
cinder storm
Nerf is using Wrath and what other trink?
last mason
Use both over the scale?
strong forum
Warri is like the tank with no threat issues
TD isn't picked for threat on war
It's picked for omfglulz delete packs
cinder storm
I have a semi full haste build with corruptions 2 Racing Pulse R2, 1 RP R1 and Expedient R3 plus all the haste I can get, its a fun build
distant crystal
it's picked for the bonus pulls when you pointed it at a pack you haven't pulled yet
last mason
Bonus pulls lol
strong forum
That's the best part
Honestly, that's an interesting idea.
Have mobs you pull over count actually subtract time from your timer
That'd be amazing
still pagoda
strong forum
So maybe you do so insane pulls when you fucked up that you can work your way back in time maybe
still pagoda
unironically convincing pugs in lower keys to look over their butts so they don't pull shit
strong forum
That's why I always check behind me
At moments where I think 'someone could easily ninj- ah fuck ofc they did it' runs back
still pagoda
exactly
pugs in lower keys don't do this at all
had +13 FH run today
it was a close call because hunter pulled packs on top of what i've already pulled 4 times
just by not looking where he stands
left hatch
i just don't like vial whatsoever
like it pumps but
having to time out its usage manually
is too much for a 4head like me
remote dawn
@strong forum how much haste you have unbuffed?
strong forum
38%
strong forum
Nop
remote dawn
okay same, i am on the right way 🙂
strong forum
Well theres no definite way besides going ham on ilvl>haste + TD
remote dawn
perfect but TD 3 hands on 445 but i get no better ilvl with TD3
strong forum
It do be like that
sage granite
Hey guys I’m having trouble working out when to use spell reflect. Is there any resource out there that tells me what spells or abilities on M+ trash and bosses I should be popping that ability?
mortal brook
sage granite
Thank you sorry I didn’t see that in the resources section
mortal brook
chilly temple
hey guys, what trinkets should i use from mythic +? (not from raids), wowhead has listed the bis trinkets from the raid but until i get them what should i look for in the dungeons?
fiery badge
I got the tank trinket from mechagon, pretty good so far but im not pushing the envelope like some people are
livid fable
buying a +15 boost for a new char which im considering playing as prot, thoughts on what key to specify?
wind plover
I would try to target a shield if you don't have a high ilvl one @livid fable . Motherlode or Atal
chilly temple
atal can drop a mace as well
warm plinth
Yes
outer dew
Wtf
warm plinth
Adulation Enforcer and Disc of Indomitable Will
warm plinth
lol
outer dew
But seriously
wind plover
I haven't had that trinket drop once all expansion
wind plover
I swear it doesn't exist
outer dew
Spamming keys whole expo but having to raid for weapons was sad
Clearly not enough atal keys
:^]
stiff oracle
Youre telling me youve spammed keys all season to.never see a weapom drop?
candid kernel
Guys help. How to gear prot warrior? what are prioritys in gearing ?
for raid
neon egret
Clockwork heart or heart of darkness if i dont have one of either yet? Already have 3x bastion
candid kernel
@sweet summit so i do ordinary dps sim patchwerk foor raid ?.
And for m+ is just Ilvl>haste>crit ? i shall ignore all corruption thing ?
neon egret
For m+ ** if it makes any difference
sweet summit
@candid kernel obv dont ignore corruptions, thats just a rough guideline
TD is the best corruption for any content
Still CwH mate
neon egret
Sweet thanks @sweet summit
candid kernel
so if i have a 460 ilvl wrists and 435 ilvl TD wrists i shoould still go with 435 right ?
sweet summit
You can only sim for dps, but there is very little tank damage in this raid, do should not be a big issue @candid kernel
Yeah, get that TD
candid kernel
and m8 what trinks are bis from m+ ? all i can find guys using raid stuff...
sick sentinel
So I have Gore crusted trinket 460 is it worth to switch with 445 vita? 
strong forum
id sim it 🤷♂️
left hatch
and while vita is giga value, i wouldn't lose 15 ilvls over another good trink
sick sentinel
Alrighty
sick sentinel
Same as always
bronze acorn
ah ok
sterile mantle
at what point should one start gemming for verse?
sweet summit
when you cant live normally, with perfect play
left hatch
when you're doing like 25's and you find you're being one shot even with perfect play
high nacelle
which is better force multiplier or quick navigation for prot tank enchants
left hatch
Force Multiplier in most cases
occasionally quick nav can sim better depending on what corruptions you have but its a rare circumstance
undone sun
Force undersims
distant crystal
as in it performs better than it sims?
mortal brook
yes
unborn aurora
what would you guys run (same ilvl), rank 4 TD or rank 2 TD, rank 4 versa proc and a rank 3 haste proc? for doing like 18s/19s +
left hatch
rank 4 TD
left hatch
also that either or option doesn't quite add up 2 ranks of TD are 50 corruption across at most 2 pieces, r4 verse proc is anywhere from 40-60 corruption across 2-4 pieces, with an extra 35 thrown in for Racing pulse 3
so not sure why you cant slide something in with the TD4
and its not bad, its just not as good as TD
left hatch
no chance of sliding anything in with the td at all?
cause we can get up to... TD5... i think with 15 left over for a gushing wounds or something
unborn aurora
i can do rank 4 TD + rank 3 versa proc, but that will take me to 57
left hatch
thatd be my pick
up to 59 is safe
but its also a personal preference comfort level thing
you have plenty of tools to deal with TFB (SR, SW, SB, IS)
and even if you need to soak him its capped at 36% damage
high nacelle
guys what do you look for in logs on tanks
strong forum
Way too much to quickly explain it
left hatch
depends what you're looking for
high nacelle
how do you see if a tank is doing good
fossil sparrow
during the fight
high nacelle
so logs are not important for tanks?
left hatch
did they die
undone sun
same answers still apply, there's a lot of factors
you can't really look at parses to determine quickly
fossil sparrow
logs for dps aren't even 100% safe anyway
left hatch
logs are important, but theres way too many variables to give a blanket answer
left hatch
your first 2 criteria are 'did they die' and 'did they do the taunt swap correctly'
strong forum
Is he taking little dmg, is he dealing OK dmg, is he using defensives when he should be, is he using Healthstone and health pots, is he avoiding unnecessary dmg
So many factors
undone sun
Spending resources properly, mitigations up, CDs being used
left hatch
even a super useful tool like WowAnalyzer isn't 100%, because it doesn't account for downtime and other factors that are fight dependent
but its a helpful place to start
high nacelle
thanks guys
hybrid basin
hey, how much Haste and Vers do you guys aim for?
left hatch
%'s are meaningless
you go for as much as possible
also if you're looking at M+ its not Haste>Verse, its Haste>Crit
hybrid basin
oh interesting 😄
warm plinth
@sullen valve He called wowA "super useful" 😊
sullen valve
Hello
tawdry flower
goreblock and vita > vita and scale? assuming all same ilvl
tawdry flower
gotcha'
regal vale
Hey guys I just had a question-- switching mains from VDH to Prot, I see the M+ stat priority is haste > crit but alot of top tier prot warrs have a substantial amount of vers on, when does this become neccesary? I'm getting fisted in +15 content my DH laughs through at about 6 less ilvl
Edit: also my damage is cheeks if I'm not pulling big as fuck
mortal brook
like 23+ for vers. if you can stack the right gear for it
left hatch
low damage and getting rekt in 15's isn't a stat thing
you have rotational issuesl ikely
mortal brook
esp not on a 6 ilvl difference
left hatch
and verse won't solve those issues
even if you swap over gems you'll be getting what... maybe another 5% DR
and thats with another 800 verse
that won't save you
tawny maple
Feel free to ask about rotation stuff Tsun
left hatch
and id read up on the second pin, it explains why essences top key pushers use aren't meta, or even optimal in 99% of keys
and the same can be applied to stat weights/builds
mortal brook
vers only feels tankier if theres rotational issues tbh. need proper rotation for crit haste mastery to do work
left hatch
yeh haste and mastery arn't gonna do anything if you arn't going through you rotation lol
at least frit functions
crit even
tawny maple
@regal vale if you have logs we can look
regal vale
I'll run a key and make a log later tonight-- I have no doubt I'm just being a shitter
Also I'll browse that pin, think I overlooked it
left hatch
the most common pitfall new prots fall into are
-prioritizing IP over SB (or any variant where they're convinced IP uptime matters whatsoever)
- Not using Avatar and DS on cd and holding onto them. you almost never want to do this
-Using LS as a defensive cd when its really just an extra charge of SB and should be used as such
-capping rage
-mashing deva when literally anything else is up
mortal brook
-running with dps that let interruptible things hit you
strong forum
You'd be surprised
still pagoda
-running with dps that let interruptible things hit you
@mortal brook
99% of lower key pug runs for ya
left hatch
youd be amazed how many ppl come in hear saying some varaition of "well my healer said my IP uptime was shit"
mortal brook
99% of guild key runs for ya
mortal brook
my performance as a prot war is judged entirely from the hps meter tho! /s
strong forum
And on how to increase healing
tawny maple
I'm brain farting wtf is DS
left hatch
demo shout
strong forum
Demo shout
tawny maple
Ohhh
mortal brook
Death Strike
still pagoda
HPS
as a prot/BrM
tawny maple
Lol yeah
strong forum
Or demon spikes if you're a dh
still pagoda
strong forum
DS, disconnect speed after playing bdk
mortal brook
Divine Shield. wait wrong prot
strong forum
The only true value
still pagoda
DS, disconnect speed after playing bdk without TD5*
undone sun
context matters 😉
mortal brook
Dursa Smajor
left hatch
DrambleS
mortal brook
jk. miss ursa major tho
still pagoda
bear has. Disconnect out of reality due to severe depression over nerfed state of the spec
i've seen too many people leaving the game after their "favorite spec" was nerfed due to being FotM for a while
mortal brook
Tank Spec
still pagoda
spec
strong forum
But yeah @regal vale you shouldn't be getting wrecked in 15s, you're defo playing wrong if you feel like you need actual healing
still pagoda
did my first +15AD this season
mortal brook
but theres a chance, his team is a bunch of throws and its not actually him. Logs will tell
still pagoda
pulled last boss with tank buster
that was the first moment when i needed healing in M+
and only for a brief period
strong forum
Any bleed does vs prot
still pagoda
any bleed vs any armor/block based tank
undone sun
^
strong forum
Like... The more I play vdh in 20+ keys makes me realise how stupid they are
still pagoda
except for VDH with their insane self-sustain
strong forum
The stuff that makes my warri cower in fear, he just shrugs off like nothing
Literally didn't need to even be dispelled on ML 3rd boss on 21
Just eat through that
It's stupid
still pagoda
anyway i'm going to prep all tanks for SL in next months
maybe will gear something else other than warrior in this time before prepatch
strong forum
I'll stick to vdh and prot, rest of the tanks play too much like tanks and not like dps >:d
mortal brook
whoa now
still pagoda
the main problem for me is in the lack of any possibility to get tank spot in raid guilds here on Gordunni-EU
still pagoda
the more time goes, the less guilds you have here
still pagoda
yes
strong forum
We tend to avoid people from that server
mortal brook
tankadin def feels good for pump tho tbh. better than bdk and bear did
still pagoda
just as we tend to avoid peeps from Black Scar
We tend to avoid people from that server
Second biggest EU ally hub though
still pagoda
Silvermoon, Gordunni and Ravencrest
strong forum
Silvermoon!
strong forum
Ye, ravencrest is pretty dead, all the good guilds there went to horde aswell
still pagoda
all the good guilds slowly die here
still pagoda
heh
that one moment when RU ally is dying, EU ally is DOA and horde is just getting more and more people in
still pagoda
i'm pretty much a crab raiding-wise rn
did 3 bosses in mythic with fairly casual raid team i'm part of now
as a DPS
grey logs, yet blue by ilvl
strong forum
still pagoda
i've literally assembled arms gear out of leftovers of prot stuff
smh even got 3xToM
anyway gonna finally get gift and cheat death upgrades for visions and finally get masks this and next week
was struggling with visions and only doing 3 quarters and main boss...
vocal skiff
is servant splitter worth using if it's your highest ilvl weapon
it would be an upgrade of 20 ilvls
undone sun
yes
vocal skiff
I thought as much, but it hurts to discard a gemmed piece for a bad one
hexed imp
for keys like 10-14, vita and torment are good ?
otherwise i have irion trinket and maut
i cant decide, i think going deeps is better
since my survival is opi
mortal brook
totes. vita is big haste and big haste is more rage more anger management etc
mortal brook
just taunt a bit
violet ferry
Hey I'm newish to prot, I'm pushing 13s and 14s with the intention of going for 20s across the board, what essences are going to be best for me to use?
left hatch
VoP major, CnS, Lucid and either Str/Void/or Sphere minors
simple dune
i'm learning tank by doing +15s
Can someone explain to me what this means?
Take portal to boss, but when do I kill the 2 packs on the path?
mortal brook
snag on last cycle of the boss fight when you have the DR/haste
simple dune
got it, ty
median vine
Is protection the best mythic+ class?
main vault
That’s a loaded question
With no way to answer
The top tank is a Monk, but there are three roles
ornate urchin
Hey guys, im new to Prot Warr
are Visions soloable as prot warr? do i need a lot of gear to do them solo?
median vine
Whats the best warrior spec for visions
mortal plover
fury
median vine
Anyone have any good protection warrior guides for esscenes
main vault
I mean you say the best tank is WR
But a monk is way ahead of any War
Which just proves it’s the player/comp not the class
main vault
No
sick sentinel
Just because
andy brew plays monk doesn't mean it's better
he has a very rare vers build
he plays with the best people in the world
and is a long time investment into monk
Doesn't mean monk is better
main vault
Same logic will apply to you saying War is the best
main vault
Which, again, is why saying War is the “best” is bs
sick sentinel
does way more damage
takes way less physical damage
Look at the monk to warrior spread in top keys
there are like 1 monk
main vault
There is no “best”
main vault
Anyways
sick sentinel
you're ignorant
main vault
Fanboy all you want
sick sentinel
if you think there is no best
main vault
You are an idiot
median vine
Any good protection warrior guides?
main vault
IV and wowhead
median vine
ty ty
mortal plover
I like watching all the brewmasters in the mdi
sick sentinel
Yes sad we couldn't see any prot warriors
mortal plover
thinking about it, theres a good chance for the last na week, that we see dk, pali, dh and warrior tanks in the mdi
cus monk is the best tank
🤔
steady marten
hey guys quick question which trinket is the best Merektha's fang 475 or Briny Barnacle 465 with socket?
main vault
Comparing MDI runs to “best tank” is ridiculous
main vault
Next you’ll say MW is the best m+ healer
main vault
What an idiot
mortal plover
ill be honest, i didnt realise it was that many warriors
main vault
Uh, you are the only one arguing there is actually a best, when at that level there isn’t, but ok
mortal plover
wait, what level?
sick sentinel
MDI, full of prot, keys, full of prot
main vault
But keep spouting bullshit
sick sentinel
ALL levels
mortal plover
theres literally nothing else for mythic+, either one of them is the highest level objectively
i guess you could rate tanks by which can solo mythic+ the best 🤔
but then its probably paladin or dk
sick sentinel
Prot warrior is, in general, the strongest tank class in m+ there is really no disputing that
However, strongest class does not mean best player and it is worth noting that a better player on a weaker class can push higher but it does not change the fact that the class is in general not as strong imho
sick sentinel
Vision
Second would be CnS and Sphere
Third lucid
I would farm vision and buy CnS
First things first
Sphere you can get yourself
I'd buy CnS first
then lucid
all you need
sick sentinel
what?
Dwarf, dark iron dwarf, or night elf are prob best
But it boils down to preference
Ye it's dward
dwarf
if you're doing horde
But
Vulpera is the best
Panda
median vine
Normal or dark iron?
hallow phoenix
I believe normal is better but I don't remember why
warm plinth
They get 1% crit iirc
hallow phoenix
2% crit damage looks like
warm plinth
Or that
hallow phoenix
But yeah doesn't really matter
I play troll and undead and if I had a third warrior it'd be vulpera I guess
sick sentinel
Panda
heavy token
left hatch
did someone just say monks were the best tank
and then try to walk it back that there are no best tanks
when Kyothi argued warriors are better in M+
lul
@median vine theres basically no diff between Dwarf and DI dwarf, the important part of their racial is the cleanse, which both stoneform and fireblood have. so pick whichever you like the aesthetic of better
small diffs like the crit damage passive will have virtually no effect on your play
sick sentinel
Is revenge supposed to be one of my lowest damages; even below ss and deepwounds 🤔
I feel like I play too defensively with IP rage dump and never actually push revenge unless it's a proc
which I rarely have because low crit rate
distant crystal
yes revenge should be low af
while there are times where you should be revenging for rage dump over IP, if you never did it you wouldn't be missing much
raven thistle
how often do I ignore pain and some1 in guild told me i can macro it with shield slam
hallow phoenix
yike
inland silo
maiden ravine
I really like vulpera racials in m+ but they're much less impactful in raid
hallow phoenix
how much hps does nose for trouble give you
i think it shows up under hps on details
maiden ravine
It does
I don't look at hps, but on my blood dk I took 70m damage in a dungeon and nose will do about 4.5 million
hallow phoenix
that seems substantial
maiden ravine
It honestly is more than the reading would suggest since it's first hit only, but that's the most dangerous hit for tanks on a lot of pulls as we try to get mitigation rolling
And dungeons in particular have a lot of first hits
hallow phoenix
yeah
maiden ravine
For raiding, it's meh, a lot better defensives including high mountains flat 1% vers haha
hallow phoenix
undead so i can cannibalize the noobs that are inting on prog
maiden ravine
Hah, just wait until you can have 15% more damage and healing during execute phase when someone dies in raid
hallow phoenix
what this
maiden ravine
It's a soulbind
left hatch
in some cases non-free revenge can be a dps loss
hallow phoenix
which covenant
left hatch
cause IP is a more effective rage dump cause its off the GCD
maiden ravine
Night fae I believe
left hatch
so itll feed Anger Management faster
hallow phoenix
lel night fae
maiden ravine
Night fae also have the mini lust soulbind
hallow phoenix
spear 😦
maiden ravine
Kyrians are the one covenant we haven't seen any soulbinds for
Who knows what crazy they'll get
I still feel the goal for sl is for everyone to feel op
Course we all know it'll be simmed to death
hallow phoenix
I mean we were pretty OP at end of legion
and it was quite enjoyable
so id be down for that
knotty panther
hey 🙂 im new to tanking (last time i was tanking was SSC)... i think i figured it out quite good with help of this discord... but a general question: where do i get routes to play in M+? Currently farming Atal for the trinket and that pillar in the middle is jsut horrible with randoms... how do i play around that
left hatch
raider.io has routes that dratnos uploads weekly
most of them are fairly accessable and speedy, and outside of... only Atal i think theres nothing too fancy (like using vanish) to avoid packs
knotty panther
yeah, exactly that is what doesnt seem to work with randoms
so i played that guy with the endboss a few times now, but its a pain in the ass if the damage isnt good
left hatch
yah, i mean worst case use it as a starting point and just add/take away a pack here and there
with MDT
till you got a route that works for you
oh and for your specific question about playing around that middle pillar in atal
knotty panther
alright ty 🙂 i got a quite nice route now, since ive been doing that dungeon a couple of times this week. But i'd wish i could access the middle pillar without that big trash pack
left hatch
uhhhh yah theres not a great answer for uncoordinated groups
some ppl just suck it up and kill it
you can use a snap point to turn off the charge and saurid jumps and keep everything nicely grouped
have a hunter/rogue pull it and vanish/shadowmeld/play dead once everyone gets inside
knotty panther
did that yesterday, but bolstering feels horrible in that pack
left hatch
have a dps sacrifice themself by pulling it and kiting till everyone gets in and dying
mmmm does the pack still patrol
if it does you can seperate the saurids by using something like para on the lead saurid
and the big dinos will keep walking away fomr them
knotty panther
hm im not sure if that'd work out in random groups 😄
but tyvm, at least there isn't a easy solution i was too dumb to find
left hatch
yah theres a reason ppl skip that
the other fuck you pack is the double honor gaurd (or triple on teeming week)
that are beside the troll boss
high fort weeks that pack fucks
knotty panther
that one in front of volkaal?
left hatch
the one in front of the obelisk nearest him
left hatch
👍
noble bough
Hey, one quick little Question: Whats the uptime on Rezan's Eye?
alpine shard
23,9%
daring bay
Thats kinda low
sweet summit
its 1 rppm
alpine shard
wowhead has it at 1 ppm, SIM and a more realistic value is at 23,9%
daring bay
Regarding procs, tooltip says corruptions proc on attacks. Do they really thou?
I seen TD proc by me just being in combat
Not even in melee range
alpine shard
Did you heroic Throw maybe?
median vine
Yall are all doing visions in fury?
alpine shard
No prot. Get a weakaura for Gift and masspull with it. Clearing 5 mask without Orbs
median vine
What should I do if Im brand new to visions 0 tree done still prot?
daring bay
i do it as both, but prot is a bit "relaxed" i guess
like to just turn my brain off and no chance i am gonna fail as prot
median vine
Anyone know where I can get some great weakauras to import as prot?
median vine
oh awesome there is a website for it
left hatch
right off the bat you have a disgusting amount of Deva casts
your ava uptime is a good 20% lower than it should be
so it looks like you're sitting on it
left hatch
^
sick sentinel
that's really off
regal vale
Hmm, okay
left hatch
and SS should be more than Deva
regal vale
I'm using deva to fill GCD'S between claps if SS isnt up
sick sentinel
You're not using revenge enough, you're probably not pushing TC and SS right off CD also
and probably overlapping deva
with ss/tc
regal vale
Word, I know I definetly miss a few GCD's when the haste trinket kicks in
left hatch
always be casting
regal vale
The revenge one though is solid, I sit on my rage alot if it's full and I have a IP
sick sentinel
that's a huge nono
left hatch
if your crit isn't super low
you should have a bunch of free revenges
and yeh never cap rage, its better to overcap IP than waste rage
since wasted rage doesn't feed anger management
also Kyothi idk if you saw the msg earlier responding to you talking about playing defensively
but in some cases hard casting revenge can be a dps loss
cause its a less efficient spender for rage cause its on the GCD
regal vale
Right, so overcap IP to feed AM if you're capped essentially
left hatch
oh your % of hits blocked is very very low
sweet summit
IP is just to dump rage and smooth damage
its not used as a primary mitigation tool
left hatch
yeh theres no reason to get close to rage cap
only time you really 'pool' is making sure you have enough to cast SB
right before its time
regal vale
My SB's almost always on CD but admittedly I gotta get comfier using last stand as a SB
left hatch
you can also get fancy with like using SW to fill when SB is down
buy you a second or 2 of things smacking you without it up
and by SW i mean shockwave
not shieldwall
sweet summit
xD
left hatch
your shield is also a tad low
ideal world buy a cheap 475 raid boe
and cleanse w/e corruption is on it
also Force Multiplier is better than Quick Nav
but that last one is nitpicky and has a bigger impact on your dps than your survivability
oh and the Drestagath trinket is butt
it sounds good, but it doesn't tell you that the damage is a BFA damage split
so its pretty awful in M+
mild ore
yeah pretty cheap
regal vale
Yeaaa about that drest trinket 😂 my second best is a plebby 430 butcher block lmao
upper violet
gusty bear
So for minor essence during raids is CnS better or Nullification Dynamo?
sweet summit
CnS+Null+VoP
gusty bear
Not vop on major?
sweet summit
CoF major in most fights
gusty bear
Ok thanks I’ll test that out.
fast smelt
480 head with BoM + bloodsport or 465 with BoM + HoD for defensive situations?
sweet summit
480 but not bloodsport
median vine
Is aegis still meta for a minor?
sweet summit
its good
median vine
but is it the best
sweet summit
CnS is just a better aegis most of the time
median vine
Rank 3 aegis Vs rank 1 CnS which one should I get first for echos
sweet summit
youcant buy r1 cns
median vine
oh fuck only rank 3?
fuck im gonna have to pvp as a warrior
Oh damn they nerfed it all it is 1000 rating for rank 2
sweet summit
its always been 1k for r2
median vine
is rank 3 needed how big of a difference does it make
sweet summit
it is 100% worth it
stiff oracle
What do you even need for rank 3, ive just always had it on all my chars
upper violet
stuff u combine that drops from pvp box
sweet summit
pretty sure its 3 from 1.4k, and 5 from 1.6k
mental anchor
I thought 2.4k was 1 week
amber siren
i think 2.4 is 10 and you need 15
mental anchor
Damn rip
south yarrow
@sweet summit is correct
fickle ingot
I have a question regarding IP and SB
Which one do I prioritize keeping up, and what are the different situations that call for either or both
strong forum
you keep up SB for blockable dmg
IP is a dmg smoother and rage dump
ideally, 90% of the time you wanna use both
mortal brook
that said, in most situations SB is your primary mitigator and IP is the filler
for pure magic fights such as zul, or 3rd/4th ML bosses, SB is only a dmg increase for SS 😄
fickle ingot
So excluding those, most of the damage in keys is blockable?
strong forum
95%
fickle ingot
Nicee
strong forum
you cant ofc block dots
fickle ingot
Ye lol
fickle ingot
But shit that will booty clap you like berserkers in KR won’t hit warriors as much?
strong forum
the bleed itself is terrifying
fickle ingot
Yeah
strong forum
yes, 2 bleeds in high keys is the absolute maximum you can deal with
in KR 21 fort 1 bleed hits for 260k every 2 seconds
sage granite
I take it to rank up CnS you guys didn't do rated as Prot but as Arms or Fury right?
craggy harness
F
elder plank
Hey, what trinket should I use vial of animated blood and void-twisted titanshard both same ilvl
still pagoda
Void shard's shield also breaks in one hit, rendering its verse proc obsolete
sweet summit
crit proc*, but yeah
modern brook
@fickle ingot theres a google sheet in #268491842637660160 that has a list of what is and isnt blockable in dungeons along with sample damage intakes that you can use to gauge what's more important on a given pull
Super late but no one mentioned that yet
Also re: tw
Older dungeons have more anti-armor tank busters
That block straight ignores
So warrior snuffs old content
lethal plaza
if you had to pick for 475 shield corruption: rank 2 echoing or rank 3 siphoner