just use your next SB when there's less then a second left on current buff
#protection
sweet summit
SB uptime alone isnt something to look at
still pagoda
which will be a really rare occasion
ivory barn
I fell like my Vers is low for Raid too
still pagoda
with high haste ofc
strong forum
rip Late 
strong forum
Furball 
ivory barn
🙂
oblique garnet
why rip me
strong forum
KR 24
sweet summit
rip Late
oblique garnet
Oh
sweet summit
fallen but not forgotten :(
oblique garnet
Yeah
oblique garnet
Maybe we will just lower it to a reasonable level and time it
chilly brook
@loud rain WCL is back up if you're still interested
maiden ravine
If my warrior was horde I'd race change to vulpera cause I like their racials
chilly brook
🤢
potent anvil
I timed a 23 KR, you can do it Late.
chilly brook
Horde was supposed to be the non furry faction
chilly brook
Those exist?
strong forum
more than you'd think
chilly brook
Tauren are less furry to me and more of an embodiment of a minotaur except instead of having a horrible temper they're hippies
Vulpera though were a mistake
chilly brook
I won't even argue with you Tauren mogs are a nightmare
strong forum
good 
cinder cove
What do you guys think is the best alliance race for prot warriors, mog wise
chilly brook
That's why Panda is the master race
strong forum
Dwarf
strong forum
factually incorrect
still pagoda
you dont need X of a stat to do Y thing
@sweet summit
yea)
but more haste is just good)
sweet summit
tru
strong forum
haste is the only stat you need
cinder cove
Do void elves look identical to blood elves mog wise? Just skin color right?
cinder cove
Hmmm maybe I’ll change to void elf
chilly brook
And they have reduced xmog costs
cinder cove
Oh wow awesome
maiden ravine
I like their heritage set except for the shoulders
cinder cove
What addon is nerdbot using? That shows the corruption he has on at the bottom
strong forum
Corruption Tooltips
cinder cove
Cool ty!
ivory barn
would be yes, but nope
strong forum
maybe its elvui basic now
ivory barn
haha
sick sentinel
Elvui
still pagoda
sweet summit
elvui owns
proven breach
I loves it
warm plinth
Which obelisk?
still pagoda
that one moment when doing one key as a DPS for fun can be utterly painful
Which obelisk?
The middle one
sweet summit
tank buster??
warm plinth
The tank buster???
still pagoda
ye
warm plinth
Why is that even surprising that he would die
still pagoda
smh, i usually don't
warm plinth
He's taking double damage from everything while that debuff is active
sweet summit
just hunter pet taunt : )
warm plinth
🙃
still pagoda
like
warm plinth
Hati, take one for the team!
still pagoda
usually, i just use SW for that time
for the first one
and then just continue to tank as usual
it really doesn't damage anywhere seriously in +10-12
but this guy literally popped after the first tank buster cast
maiden ravine
Miss a couple blocks and dead
maiden ravine
I've never wanted to pull the tank buster with that. I'd rather sacrifice a dps to just do the obelisk if party was made wrong
limpid pawn
Gift major helps a ton for prog as late said
For example, on drest you have the debuff to drop.
Spell reflect doesn’t cover the whole duration, gift will cover you for the rest
Ilginoth, you can gift demo spell reflect first
Then LPS next
Just softens the first hit to negligible levels
On queens court, it gets you through the huge magic damage phases esp also mythic azshara tanking her with 40+ stacks
When you’re not in a top 100 guild with godlike healers, it for sure makes prog much easier
radiant nexus
Hello i had a question about Bolster talent if it function as a active mitigation trigger or if it doesnt? And is there even anything in BFA that requires active mitigation trigger?
left hatch
active mit triggers are dead
daring bay
At what point do you start going vers instead of haste for gems and enchants?
like i have an insane amount of haste and feels reduntant to keep putting more stat into haste
left hatch
uhhh maybe in like 24/25+'s
your'e not anywhere close to haste cap
and until you get that high in keys when verse build starts being kinda viable, haste is still gonna be your best stat
daring bay
i mean i got 35% haste without into the fray or any modefiers
- i am rocking haste trinket
left hatch
thats not insane amounts of haste lol
daring bay
Hmmm, kinda feels a bit to much
left hatch
theres ppl that are close to 50% before buffs and are rocking double haste trinks
your gcd stops scaling at 100%
and.... idr what % you can have 100% uptime of SB.. i wanna say 140% with LS
so no. thats not too much
olive bay
Do the 1h I use matter?
left hatch
ilvl is the most important part of it
olive bay
yeah, I didn't know if you could even use dagger anymore
I know for a while it was legit because of attack speed
but I haven't tanked since TBC
Just trying to get my gear built up
left hatch
swing speed hasn't been a thing for.. god probably a decade or more
olive bay
yeah, makes sense
copper lion
for tyrannical rezan, do you just aim to pop SB + defensive to live thru serrated teeth?
left hatch
high enough keys you'll need to coordinate with your healer
Bleeds bypass armor
so you'll end up having to alternate externals + things like SW
and yeh keeping SB up so you don't die to his autos while your healer is trying to keep you from dyign to the bleed lol
still pagoda
rezan's bleed fux, but if your healer is good... It may be fine
full monolith
a general question regarding junkyard: i ve seen people going gunker first this week. yet for me the hk8 is patrolling there when starting the key - any ideas?
brisk ferry
they start that direction because of all the available bots
sharp night
the starting point for hk8 is different for NA and EU
maiden ravine
I just go king first these days
marble cipher
Eu, he is on gunker this week
Honestly don't known if it changes per week though
Don't run many JY
strong forum
changes every week yes
maiden ravine
I go king cause that's what plebs expect
But gunker is usually the hardest boss
Well, Trixie and Naeno are on high tyrannical with stupid dps
tame garden
upper violet
fiery badge
im about to be ignorant af and go prot in BGs. Im going to just exclusively fc/peel for healers
maiden ravine
@strong forum They do, but the pain when dps kill Trixie first
still pagoda
^ pugs do so 24/7
maiden ravine
ugh
I hate toxic people
he didn't even need the freaking rio, yet this 2500 tank is pissed we missed timing a 16
ToS, second boss. "I pulled 2 mobs and the 3 center, the rest were pats, what was I supposed to do?"
maiden ravine
I don't know, don't pull the 3 center with an 1850 healer?
jerk didn't even self cleanse as a paladin
proceeded to have 8 Orb Guardians up at once and then complained the dps couldn't do the eyes
we missed by 10 seconds
Also, last fail? He didn't grab aggro on the heart guardian in the last phase of sethtraliss and it two shot a hunter
still pagoda
jerk didn't even self cleanse as a paladin
That's a death sentence here
maiden ravine
eh?
still pagoda
the whole problem with some tanks like this is their arrogance while not being anywhere good
maiden ravine
I'm sure he's a perfectly good healer, has done all 18s in time, 11/12 Mythic
still pagoda
they just won't admit their mistakes
I'm sure he's a perfectly good healer, has done all 18s in time, 11/12 Mythic
Heh
high nacelle
hey guys i was just wondering if wowanalyzer is any good too look at for tanks
sick sentinel
Yes it is
exotic spoke
Yes, @sullen valve did a great job getting it working for us
maiden ravine
Maybe I'm weird, but once I stop getting better gear for it, my desire to push content goes way down
Cosmetics can drive me to do some challenges, but 3rd party rating? nah
still pagoda
personal challenge is what usually pushes me into progress raiding and M+
to see how far i can go
gear and rio are just parts of the process IMO
maiden ravine
I need some sort of "reward" beyond epeen
rough quartz
How does the game define "in that school"?
mortal brook
if arcane spell, arcane spells. et al. each spell will have a school assigned
obtuse tiger
Looking to get a shield. Is the Mekacycle "BiS" from dungeons due to the equip or should I just get any shield with Haste / Verse?
mortal brook
the very opposite
the equip is nearly worthless and you wont see uptime or efficacy from it in any relevant content
its the worst shield in its ilvl
that said, if its your highest ilvl shield, wear it
obtuse tiger
I don't tank all that often. Just looking to get a shield upgrade for when I am needed to tank.
mortal brook
the important part of shields is the block value so ilvl is king whichever you end up with
obtuse tiger
Thanks for the information and time. 🙂
distant crystal
@maiden ravine you kill some pats before you pull the center
it's not like the pat...patting into you is some unforseeable thing eh
maiden ravine
Exactly
he pulled a pack, then the 3 mid, and just sat on the edge
but I was healing, not tanking haha
my fault the pull when sour though
maiden ravine
I had to spend a lot of GCDs dispelling him
sick sentinel
did it one shot him
maiden ravine
no, but eventually 10 mobs becomes too much when no one is interrupting stuff
maiden ravine
he did our favorite, "tank had higher HPS than the healer."
That tends to happen when I have to dispell on cooldown
sick sentinel
just be toxic back
haughty seal
Hello im pretty much a new player and I'm wondering, is there a horrific vision guide for protection warriors?
vivid hornet
Anyone have a chart for best trinkets?
vivid hornet
A friend told me that the lady ashvane trinket is our BiS but I have a hard time believing that. I couldn’t find a straightforward “these are the best for survivability and these are the best for damage” list
chilly brook
@maiden ravine you're not weird I'm the same, hence why I think M+ would benefit from a cosmetic grind of some sort
steel mauve
several trinkets from EP are still amazing, coral trinket from ashvane is still near bis for some classes and they are still going back to farm it
font is still rediculous for mages
sick sentinel
@vivid hornet go for stat stick trinkets. Dragonscale, vita, rezans, block
They will serve you well in 90% of content
If you want a good defensive trinket get lingering psychic shell from heroic nzoth
brittle owl
the reason you didn't find a survivability trinket list is that they are dogshit for the most part, LPS being the notable exception (and mostly due to the 1 min cd) and urchin (which is very niche in its usefulness)
and for dps there's almost no need since you can just sim
the only notable one is merektha's fang, which is absolutely insane if used properly
left hatch
your frind was probably talking about Urchin, which was BiS defensively once upon a time
but due to it being capped at 455 if you're lucky and not being able to benefit from the guaranteed socket its become mostly obsolete
same thing with Diamond Prism going from S2->S3
god tier trinket just got left behind because of ilvl scaling
manic perch
Is bandages trinket any good got it on 460
sweet summit
Its not very good
brittle owl
defensive trinkets are horribly overrated by the vast majority of players anyway
orchid frigate
so i got the boe shield last night (ev but still ). now im afraid that if i equip it and socket it i will get a good shield from chest tomorrow 
would be so typical if that happened
smoky wave
Unless you're planning on pushing something real hard frender, I'd just wait until tomorrow to use it 🤷♂️
orchid frigate
might as well
dont think i can get super much gold on our realm for it though
if it had good corruption i could probably get more than 1 mil
smoky wave
Shame. Good ol' corruption rng.
Hoping for a shield this week as well. Punted all my rerolls hoping for one and had a paladin and shaman on the group to up the chance all week. No luck.
languid light
Does details have a "rage spent per second" option?
sweet summit
Not as far as im aware
dusty saddle
i lose 2% haste but gain more strenght and stam, is that worse?
upper violet
can u play in english pls i dont fucking understand anything
sweet summit
Mood
amber siren
analog oyster
Is Surging Vitality any good on tanking?
dusty saddle
sry
sweet summit
SV is good, 40% uptime big vers. Its just not TD
analog oyster
I could run TD rank 3, SV rank 3 and 6% vers and be under the 40 corruption
sweet summit
@dusty saddle you have any other corrupted items to use? You lose 10 corruprion if you change, gotta keep that in mind
I run TD5
dusty saddle
@sweet summit i dont have any other corrupted items
analog oyster
I like to play save tho, instead of doing big damage 😛
sweet summit
SMH
Go big or go home
@dusty saddle id just sim and see what would give me the most dps if thats the case
dusty saddle
ok, thx 🙂
rocky linden
Any ElvUI people experienced that the "use raid frames for party" thing disappeared after the last update?
queen fulcrum
Are we liking Merektha's Fang for M+ DPS?
rocky linden
Yes
queen fulcrum
Beautiful, my cache wasn't wasted last week then
still pagoda
Any ElvUI people experienced that the "use raid frames for party" thing disappeared after the last update?
@rocky linden
Maybe they've started using Blizzard's one?
rocky linden
no no the frames themselves work just fine
hazy dust
Excluding the obvious damage advantage which i can sim for and make a decision on what am I missing that makes crit better than verse defensively? Is the parry chance really that strong or if I'm looking to get more Tanky in 22+ keys is haste verse not just a better option than haste crit?
sweet summit
Parry, yeah. I m+ you have lots and lots of mobs constantly melee hitting you, the parry adds up
Vers without vers% or SV isnt something id deliberately stack. 22s dont hit hard enough for you to need tons of vers to live
sweet summit
😳
ionic fern
flat jackal
Wait, can you still dodge, block, or parry while channeling fang
undone sun
no
mortal brook
dodge by not standing in melee range. ez
gray bane
is there a haste cap?
without any into the fray stacks I'm currently sitting at 44%, I'm wondering if that might be a bit too much and I want to go for some other stats instead
44% haste, 32% mastery, 19% crit and 11% vers
undone sun
no caps or breakpoints
gray bane
in terms of guides, are the ones linked in the resources channel up to date?
undone sun
Icy veins is the preferred, and yes it is
gray bane
okay cool, gonna have a look 🙂
pastel remnant
im 470 ilvl . should i open my chest in dps or tank spec? still have a 460 weapon. can i get a twillight devastation corruption in tank loot spec? or should i stay dps loot spec? sorry for that question was not sure
modern brook
I'd take % haste over 5 ilvls every day.
ionic fern
You can get TD in tank lootspec as well. 🙂
modern brook
Oh hey look im responding to old stuff again, dont mind me
ionic fern
So i'd keep on opening in tank lootspec until you get a 475 shield/weapon.
strong forum
Lootspec has nothing to do with what corruptions you can get.
I would stay prot loot unless you have 475 weapon + shield already.
loud rain
the issue with opening as fury is if you get a 475 wep with like TD or haste on it you cant use for prot.
sick sentinel
Prot TH weap + shield when
north ridge
seeing a lot of people running insane amounts of vers, if you're just doing 15-18 keys is there any advantage of that over haste stacking?
modern brook
if ur doing keys in the 15-18 range and arent just stacking ilvl ur probably doing it wrong 🤷♂️
verse is good in keys with big scary one shots and where most of your intake is not blockable/parry-able
15-18 really dont have big scary one shots, assuming your dps are actually playing
ionic fern
You don't NEED to stack vers even on higher keys.
Some people just prefer it.
I'd just keep on rocking TD until the end of times.
sick sentinel
Vers makes playing in higher keys a bit more forgiving but is by no means required unless you are playing perfectly and getting one shot
modern brook
@sick sentinel titan grip + sheild plz :^)
modern brook
💪
sick sentinel
Why not me
modern brook
I have to wisper this cause fury channels right above us
twilit jay
is devastator a talent that people take alot?
sick sentinel
Gettiku + shield
modern brook
but i low key dont want fury to get 1 handers back
Devestator is the meme st dps parsing talent, iirc
strong forum
Devastator only sees play in raids
sick sentinel
Devastator is used in raid for st parsing
twilit jay
got it thanks
sick sentinel
But comes at a survivability cost
You guys think I will get my GW today
I feel like i have been a good boy and deserve it
sick sentinel
Wow you do deserve it
twilit jay
whats GW?
sick sentinel
I walked out of my own key cause my dps trolled me with quaking lul
modern brook
gushing wounds
I walked out of my own key cause my dps trolled me with quaking lul
honestly a time saver
sick sentinel
Big fan of bricking keys early rather than later
modern brook
Same tbh
My least favorite thing is when people are like "ok time to slwo pull everythin cause we're not going to time it anyways" in like an 18
twilit jay
i have grown tired of keys going an hour cuz dps thinks they are good
modern brook
just fucking why?
sick sentinel
And sometimes we all troll. I for example may have one shot my healer with cragmaws frontal this weekend
modern brook
lol if ur keys going an hour ur DPS arent good :^)
twilit jay
i just feel most of the time when i join groups its a lot of people who arent ready. probably gonna stick to just forming my own groups
sick sentinel
Forming your own is the strat
modern brook
Yeah 100%
join others when you're trying something new
brick some nerds Shrine so u can practice the snaps
sick sentinel
I pug dps almost exclusively tho and it’s not so bad you just gotta break out of that 15-17 range
twilit jay
im only 460 at the moment so i got a bit more to go i think before i can do 15+
modern brook
nah just be confident
twilit jay
and this 430 shield is aids lol
modern brook
lol i was literally typing "unless ur shields like 430 or something"
twilit jay
hahaha yeah
modern brook
U can still probably do it pretty comfortably with an awake healer
sick sentinel
Yeah unfortunately under a 17/18 you are going to get some turds pugging it’s just the way she goes. But make no mistake you will get turds pugging into 20s as well
strong forum
There's turds on every rio
sick sentinel
I am one of them :^)
strong forum
The higher you go the cockier they get
sick sentinel
If you are a turd and you full recognize it and don’t apologize tho you are alpha don’t @ me
modern brook
alpha hawgz
sick sentinel
Precisely
Kill them with kindness
Tanking is a relaxing job cause as long as you don’t goof you’re chillin
Assuming you have a good healer
Which I do
(Don’t tel him)
twilit jay
i really only stress on sanguine and necrotic, cuz then i have to like watch a bit more
sick sentinel
Sanguine is where my brain turns to mush tbh I probably give so many people anxiety
But that’s ok
But both are easy affixes (for the most part) you just gotta be aware
For necrotic you can get a WA if you aren’t comfortable
twilit jay
its just dropping stacks is work
modern brook
My favorite sentence during sanguine is "oof, i forgot about this shitty affix"
sick sentinel
Leap out. Drop stacks. Profit
twilit jay
i usually eat honety pot pies too
sick sentinel
My approach to sanguine is “if I play as if it doesn’t exist maybe it will go away”
modern brook
TBH it worked
sick sentinel
Eat the port tato brother
modern brook
if u enter a key today it wont be there :^)
modern brook
instead its FUCKING BOLSTERING again
twilit jay
yeah, that could get outta control
strong forum
Bolstering explosive tyr
modern brook
its just gunna be slow
strong forum
Fun isn't it
modern brook
so fucking slow
empty nacelle
Could definitely use with some fresh or modified affixes
modern brook
I still have to get fucking keystone master too
strong forum
However the next 2 fort weeks will be amazing push weeks
sick sentinel
I refuse to step into TOS with explosive
strong forum
So ignore the tyr ones
strong forum
'rona
still pagoda
Holy Week?
strong forum
Teeming volcanic
modern brook
its time to P U L L
sick sentinel
Fort burst volc
trim jungle
I'm normally a fury warrior but I'm having to fill in as the third Tank on our mythic maut fight tonight. What exactly do I need to know? Pick up all the adds and keep them in a puddle and be on orb duty for p2?
sick sentinel
Is coming up
strong forum
Teeming quaking is the fort week after after bursting volc
strong forum
Pretty much @trim jungle
sick sentinel
Your dps will complain if you keep them in a puddle but just tell them to shut up
sick sentinel
Can only take phys damage in it
So they can’t pad
But you are the alpha chad tank
You do what you want
oblique garnet
i mean
sick sentinel
Ice cold making dps so orbs lol
oblique garnet
you gain single target dps on most classes that can use the adds
so theres no real value in tanking them on the puddles all the time
sick sentinel
For someone who hasn’t tanked much I’d tank them in the puddles
teal prairie
Well yeah SP or affli lock
oblique garnet
destro warlocks get rolling havoc from them which they can funnel into more boss dam
sick sentinel
The ideal strat is to pull them out and back in when they cast to Interrupt
oblique garnet
^
sick sentinel
Then back out
And let your dps pad. Or run all hunters and tank them in the puddle
can you get the item from king mech in heroic dungeon for going from rank 2 to rank 3 vision of perfection?
if so is it a drop chance not 100% since i just did the run an nothing
alpine shard
You can. Drop is about 25%.
strong forum
^
teal prairie
Think it's better to spam some low M+ if you want them fast on alt
Because of daily lockout on heroic
modern brook
just buy it 4head
visions of nylotha are free af
or whatever that currency is called
teal prairie
Takes day or 2 to get 1 essence, but you can finish the VoP in a day while buying another one
I bought mine tho
teal prairie
Wtf
sick sentinel
not got rank 3 on other character so ill have to farm it
teal prairie
Where you got so many of those points?
idle tusk
tame garden
Ok
teal prairie
Emissaries are 50/day, visions are max 150 for vial?
strong forum
4 emissaries + 4 assaults ( I got 120 on Tuesday before reset)
modern brook
I'm sitting at 1800 visions on my alt druid after buying all unlocked dps and healer essences
he's about 2 weeks old
actually he'll be two weeks old today <333
strong forum
Then for a +15 done I got what, 300 echoes? From weekly cache
tame garden
Ye my monk has 4x rank 3s for 2 specs now and is 3 weeks old
modern brook
dont get me wrong, visions is a super easy grind
but like
dont grind
just do gearing keys instead
strong forum
That's 200 from emissary, 250 from major assault, 150 from minor assault, make that 5 keys at say 50-75 echoes say 300 echoes. That's over 2 essences not counting weekly cache
Then you get weekly cache and boom that's your 3rd
teal prairie
4 emissaries + 4 assaults ( I got 120 on Tuesday before reset)
@strong forum Ah yeah but that's effectively almost 2 weeks of echoes
modern brook
there's 4 emmissaries?
strong forum
If you do 1 just before reset
teal prairie
minus emissaries
modern brook
big brain nom
strong forum
But I hit 120 at midnight Tuesday to Wednesday grinded cloak + assaults before reset, then by end of wednesday had 4 essences 3 at r3 :hehe:
strong forum
Depending on rank ye
teal prairie
Idk how much fun you will have on arena with 400il though 😄
grizzled tapir
So--- when it comes to gearing.
We basically just go for ilvl? Then when we are at the point of farming the same ilvl gear we worry about "best stats" then?
junior ivy
hi
grizzled tapir
@strong forum alright, Thank you! ❤️
mental anchor
it actually TD>Ilvl>haste>vers/crit
last mason
there isnt bad luck protection for weapons or anything like that from the chest is there
mortal brook
nah
strong forum
Back in beta it was said that weapons should have higher drop chances from Cache
So that was a lie
mental anchor
I’m so excited for multiple options from chests
visual cove
Is versatile good for prot?
undone sun
verse is good for everyone
calm quest
what does verse do for prot warriors?
calm quest
ah
analog oyster
Is it even worth equipping a 6% vers from all sources?
stark sage
if you want more verse and it doesnt set you too high on corruption budget why not
strong forum
If it actually increases your vers + what kela said, sure
Cuz in my case I would drop 120 vers to get 6% vers corruption but not vers in that slot, ultimately having me end up at less vers than I had before
brisk ferry
well I wish I could share, another 475 shield
brisk ferry
need weapon
stiff oracle
Ah
analog oyster
NExt week I can run TD 3 SV 3 and Vers 6%
teal prairie
@brisk ferry I think it should be pretty easy to pug a Wrathion mythic for the wep?
brisk ferry
not sure, haven't really tried
good idea tho
I got my 460 vita and dragonscale and just never bothered to raid again
twilit jay
whats the feeling on 8% leech corruption? pretty bad?
undone sun
tertirary corruptions aren't worth their weight in the cost
teal prairie
The leech is nice for healers though
stiff oracle
Yes
teal prairie
Sorry forgot Warriors are rude
stiff oracle
😂
undone sun
🤣
oblique garnet
Leech corruption is not even worth on healer
the 8% is way too expensive corruption to even play
just get 20% passive leech
teal prairie
"just roll leech on every item"
gleaming rock
Is C&F good for tanking keys right now? Thinking about going from Fury to prot for keys I typically run 15s and up
gleaming rock
No, sorry I meant Conflict and Strife
I just got it on R3 on my main/Feral and have the echoes to purchase 2 R3 essences on my warrior
teal prairie
pls boost me cnf3
left hatch
yeh CnS is the best minor in the game
languid light
I swear that the avoidance corruption drop rate is much bigger than the rest.
gleaming rock
Is there ever going to be a time where Iwould want to run CnF over Lucid for a major in M+
stiff oracle
High siege/workshop ig
gleaming rock
So other than that I will need to stick with Lucid for my major
stiff oracle
You can use w/e works for you. I run conflict and strife as major in most of my keys outside of sanguine weeks
Lucid is kinda pointless if youre not using it well though
oblique garnet
@undone sun I think i could have more leech if i had rolled leech on my trinkets
undone sun
smh my head
gleaming rock
Inormally DPS 15s and up but Iam wanting to move to tanking for a bit
stiff oracle
Just use VoP
left hatch
Yah Lucid at that level is super wasteful
VoP until you get to like 22's
and at that point you either use lucid, or if you have a verse build ig CnS
gleaming rock
Really? VoP?
left hatch
yes
stiff oracle
Yes
left hatch
gives you like 70% uptime of avatar
which is a ridiculously strong defensive and offensive cd
median merlin
475 haste/vers masterful rank 2 OR 465 haste/mast socketed ineffable truth rank 1 boots?!
stiff oracle
Avatar make you no die
left hatch
uhhhh id take the higher ilvl boots
and just cleanse then as soon as you get other corruptions
median merlin
Was thinking the same
stiff oracle
Definitely higher ilvl imo
median merlin
Ineffable really strong though
stiff oracle
Lol
median merlin
Also you guys socket for haste or vers?
stiff oracle
Theres plenty of corruptions id use over ineff
left hatch
if you're not doing like... +25's
haste
until you get to mid range 20's Haste crit is the M+ statline, not Haste/Verse
gleaming rock
Ok Iwill use VoPmajor and CnFminor Iassume Strength of the warden as a mnor as well?
oblique garnet
If you can take IT and fit it into your corruption budget id use it over masterful
even if its 10 ilvls less
chilly brook
@gleaming rock I know it's been answered but yes VOP over Lucid
left hatch
VoP Major, CnS, Lucid and Str of hte Warden Minors
chilly brook
Just want to make sure its hammered in 😛
left hatch
are your best loadout for like 99% of keys tilll you get to the 20 range
swap out Str for Sphere if you don't need corruption resistance
gleaming rock
Thanks for the info ladies/gents
grand drum
I always thought formless void was the better corruption resist minor
left hatch
depends on the uptime
in raid 100% yes because you have like 80-90% uptime on every fight
in keys you either need a healer running CoF or to ask your dps to stagger essence usage
rocky linden
I feel like it's good on my DK because I'm using CoF major so I can ensure uptime myself
left hatch
yeh
but talking about what other tanks use for essence choices is also really misleading
rocky linden
Indeed
Not intended as a disagreement, just an explanation of why several tanks favor it 🙂
left hatch
yeh
id imagine monks like it as well
for the same reason
but imagine playing classes that VoP isn't stupid strong lul
rocky linden
Word
sick sentinel
Crit stack corruption
left hatch
we're BM hunters now?
left hatch
i edit it back
modern brook
<3
distant imp
can we have too much haste?
chilly brook
No
tawdry flower
Is there a way to compare trinkets for survivability
loud rain
guess it depends what your dieing from
left hatch
as in is there a way to sim for survivability? not really
theres too many variables and situational uses to really make 1:1 comparisons
loud rain
like haste will help you survive physical more
tawdry flower
i mean like a list or something of good survival trinkets.
loud rain
where if there is alot of magic damage LPS will help more with that
left hatch
overall the stat trinkets (Dragonscale, Butchers Block, Rezan, and esp Vita) are very strong
loud rain
^
left hatch
unless you're pushing high keys they do more to smooth overall damage
last mason
vial gang
tawdry flower
gotcha. so those stat proc trinks are better than things like sporepods and urchin etc.etc
left hatch
if you know you'll need an absorb to survive and know you'll be using it on CD, LSP from Nzoth is also a strong choice
sporepods is shit
and urchin is kinda outdated
so yes
tawdry flower
thank you
left hatch
vial is strong but its annoying as fuck to use
jade lichen
Is the trink combo from ra'den any good for M+?
left hatch
because you have to manually use it
not really
the crit trinket is a worthless slot
so the set bonus takes the place of an empty trinket slot
left hatch
Vita + (insert another stat trinket here) is the way to go
maiden ravine
IT ring, yuck
left hatch
but would you take it if you had GW
to fill that slot
🤔
ig at the key level you're doing yeh
jade lichen
atm i have humming edicts and rezans eye, im still gearing doing 12-14s what would be the best combo out of those?
broken moon
anyone have a recommendation of how i should prioritize the essences i buy from mother
strong forum
Only as of today its possible to run GW + TD5 with being below 60
jade lichen
then just stack haste/vers right?
left hatch
get VoP manually
jade lichen
ohh ok thank you
maiden ravine
my holy paladin is now 475 equipped after getting 480 glimmer shoulders and a 475 socketed weapon, haha
lean arch
which two for m+?
sweet summit
UF and Vspeed
lean arch
ty
marble path
Hey, getting conflicting info from Wowhead/IcyVeins. Stacking Deafening Crash Azerite - don't do it, or ok to do it?
lean arch
what is conflicting??
left hatch
now you want 1DC, 3xBoM and ideally fill in the last 2 with Heart of Darkness, Clockwerk Heart or Meticulous Scheming
marble path
Wowhead says ok to stack, Icy says don't
lean arch
warm plinth
What's conflicting is that stacking DC doesn't maximize your AoE damage
There are better options for damage than a 2nd/3rd DC
left hatch
in a TD economy you want more stats
ionic fern
Stacking DC is S2 . 👀
marble path
Ok, let me make this question more definitive. I'm replacing a 430 chest with IF and Brace for a 460 DC and Bastion. Problem is my Helm already has DC, and the replacement options would be Callous Reprisal (chest) or Bloodsport (helm), both of which are low tier.
*Helm is 450
left hatch
id take a 2nd DC in that particular instance
you'll replace it soon enough
and callous and bloodsport are ick
marble path
Aight. 30 ilevels worth the stack
left hatch
i mean you're also getting your best trait outta the deal
so you're not really losing anything
marble path
Thanks all
lunar finch
i have echoing void boots rank 2 or should i use ineffable truth rank 2 for more avatar uptime ?
gusty ginkgo
hello huys
how much haste do i need as a war tank?
west kayak
I have tested IT Rank 2 and it seems to have an extremely low uptime. Anyone else seeing this?
lean arch
same ones you use in any other dungeon
gusty ginkgo
hello huys
how much haste do i need as a war tank?
undone sun
Anything above 0%
sick sentinel
Hello guys, if u have to pick heart of darkness or Brace for impact what you take ?
In m+ setup
mental anchor
I take heart
sick sentinel
I was considering it too, but brace for impact sounds nice. Just wanted to hear what people think
mental anchor
Stat increase is better imo
loud rain
yea heart is just straight 360 stats
grizzled tapir
so, i just got a 435 peice with vers/mastery, i also just got a 420 peice ( crit/haste ) with corruption that gives me a chance to increase my haste, with a gem socket in it as well. which should i take in this situation?
would the 15 ilvl from the 435 be worth more?
loud rain
i would take the crit/haste if you have the corruption budget for it
gratz vil
thats insane
grizzled tapir
it would put me at 35 corruption
loud rain
lol
jade socket
not mine was a friends
ionic fern
potent zephyr
grizzled tapir
first tank ive started to actually gear. excited to main it in Shadowlands
ionic fern
Welcome to the good life of not getting declined from every single PuG in m+.
grizzled tapir
the gearing process is odd honestly, started very late and getting around to finish the cloak questline. are we looking good in shadowlands?
grizzled tapir
nice nice. i like the role enough to still play it. 😄
onyx vessel
grizzled tapir
dense berry
Amy suggestions for a protection warrior?
chilly brook
That's a broad question
chilly brook
Ummm
I'm sorry I'm not following
I was just making a joke but now I'm really confused
chilly brook
So what was your question?
dense berry
I cant decide what race to choose
last mason
Whichever u like best
dense berry
Yeah but for exemple i like trolls but they dont look so good for transmog
ionic fern
Zandalari look good for mogs tho, no?
dense berry
Well yeah but im new to wow...
ionic fern
I've always liked Orc transmogs also.
dense berry
There is no point asking here for a guild right?
twilit jay
is the mekacycle shield good at all for us?
sweet summit
worst one at same ilvl
twilit jay
or are there better mythic shields to aim for
upper violet
better shields
twilit jay
which ones the best? gonna throw my face at that dungeon. best defensively
upper violet
tbh just do anything that can give you a shield if you really need one but if u can be picky ML is good
ionic fern
You are correct @dense berry .
upper violet
yeah idk just pick orc its probably the best for looks or maybe bloodelf
twilit jay
female orcs, best
modern brook
@twilit jay atal is the safest place to spam in prot spec
Passable weapon, has a shield, god trinket
If ur trinkets are already good then yeah prob moms load
frozen robin
is echoing void still worth it in keys or Raid?
ivory barn
I have R12 EV if it wasn't for the 144 corruption.... But I run EV R6 at 39.
strong forum
EV is still fairly strong dps wise
Pales in comparison to TD, but if not for TD, EV would still be the strongest corruption imo
modern brook
wasnt ev the strongest for a while
then blizzard said "no fun allowed unless its td, td is ok to be fun"
ivory barn
Could I have some help. I posted in #449510248579858432 channel some issues I was having on last weeks prog on Vex, and don't want to repeat. Trying to get better SB/LS and IP uptime warrior is Furball...
cosmic canyon
how's briny barnacle tuned? good/bad? assuming dps only.
strong forum
It's okay on ST, bad in aoe
normal spindle
Haven’t tanked in a few patches, what two would I want to use out of 460 vita, 465 barnacle, 475 butchers block, 475 big red button and 460 dragon scale w/ socket for general 15s
stiff oracle
Vita and scale imo
strong forum
Vita+block/scale
normal spindle
Thanks and yeah figured it would be stat trinkets just wasn’t sure If block would beat out either haste option
strong forum
In m+ the parry gained from crit is quite valuable, ontop of the obv dmg gain
And it being 475
main shoal
so i know ilvl > stats but i got crit mastery 470 gloves from chest when i already have haste mastery 465 with IS, is it worth to go for the highest ones?
strong forum
I would go with haste ones, and cleanse IS
cosmic canyon
Will you replace the corruption with something else than IS? next week is tyrannical if you do +m and in raiding IS can have some value if you're under 40 corr either way.
I'd personally keep the gloves with IS untill I could replace those corruption points elsewhere, then cleanse or go for 470+
strong forum
Thing is, even in m+ the bosses need to last forever to stack up any IS stacks to be considered worth it.
So you'd need to to incredibly high keys to have bosses actually live long enough, not to mention stars needs to be high ilvl T3 to deal any decent dmg
main shoal
those are my only IS gloves for now
strong forum
But if you have nothing else, sure, keep it
main shoal
im actually running those for fury and arms also
strong forum
IS is a very niche corruption that's only good for mythic shadhar, xanesh, carapace and nzoth
Outside of that, practically a waste
vocal flame
Hi all, I got a one hander that increases my corruption to 58 (Thing from Beyond) it has an effect that "Taking damage has a chance to increase your Versatility by 801 for 20 seconds" Is this worth keeping and risking the damage from the thing? Or should I cleanse it. Mainly do M+
ivory barn
Trying to increase uptime be like.... 💀🤔😕
strong forum
Surging vitality has roughly 50% uptime when tanking
If you can deal with / are comfortable with running 58, I'd defo keep it
I'm running 59 corruption in all situations
main shoal
Well im mostly running M+ with a group of friends but i also have TD on belt and my corruption is fine, im less than 40
vocal flame
Ok ill give it a shot then this week and see what happens. Thanks so much @strong forum
How do you deal with the thing tho? You just spell reflect or dodge if you can?
strong forum
Just tank it
It more often than not, does not do any serious dmg
And yes you can spell reflect safely most of the time
If you're in danger, you can always cloak it
vocal flame
thats true, ive never dealt with it before so till be interesting, ive kept it low because my one other piece has 75 corruption on it lol
thanks so much!
languid light
If I am to chose between a 2nd Deafening Crash and Callous Reprisal, which one should I take?
brazen jetty
So tomorrow I get my first risidium for my +15 key... my helmet is still 435 - I buy random 460, wait 1 week for 480 or safe up for specific?
smoky wave
Another trinket question. 445 glad medallion or 455 sporepods (😫)
vital trout
why isn't IS good for wrathion? the only aoe you have is irrelevant and you can't hit the boss in that time anyway.
tame garden
Pad is always relevant
ivory barn
Trying to solve my shield block and last stand uptime in raid 🤔🤬. I'm getting mad it's like 40% per boss fight
I just got R6 EV under 40 corruption tho 
ionic fern
@languid light i'd take the 2nd DC in that case for the extra damage.
@ivory barn why are you looking at that? All that matters is effective uptime for block..as in keeping SB up while actively tanking the boss.
undone sun
% of blocked hits
ivory barn
Because my RL was like " you have 30% uptime I'm sitting you if you don't fix it"
stark sage
check you percentage of blocked hits
and if thats under 100% then he's right
if not then show him
ivory barn
Where do you check that
tame garden
Damage taken in logs
stark sage
mouse over the damage taken from the blockable mechanic/melees to see the percentage
vital trout
looking at my shield block uptime ... 13% yikes.
stark sage
lofty drift
For doing 15-18 keys... Vop major, strength of the warden, conflict, _ ? What last one would I need? Null or aegis?
still pagoda
Lucid
ivory barn
so it would look like this? @ionic fern (sorry if I'm not supposed to ping you)
normal spindle
What would you replace conflict with on keys if it’s only rank 2 (everything else is 3)
elfin nova
are there shields in the horrific vision loot table?
tame garden
@ionic fern is it ok to ping you
warm plinth
@elfin nova Nope. No shields, no weapons, no rings, no trinkets.
lofty drift
@still pagoda lucid minor? Why?
still pagoda
rage refund component specifically
it helps out with faster Avatar, LS, demoshout and SW cooldowns through giving more rage to dump
plus pretty neat verse proc and small heal
elfin nova
@warm plinth thought not. thanks for confirming
lofty drift
@still pagoda minor correct? Cause I see alot of prot tanks running it as major in the high keyz
still pagoda
i run VoP major and warden, lucid and aegis/null(for KR) minors currently
just a bit lower then ya(14's and starting to get into 15's as my rio gets higher)
tawny maple
They're both good but I think SV is better at higher levels
Or I should say pulls ahead more
And if you stack vers
@ivory barn that's the correct info graphic, but you should have 100% blocked hit
stark ruin
Sphere r2 and up can be good if you don't have c&s
rigid sinew
idk if vers gains value yet
ivory barn
so the fact that its 40% off is bad, got it thanks
still pagoda
a really bad thing
this basically means that your healer will want to kill you after the raid time
tawny maple
I'm pretty sure most warriors are stacking vers and vers corruptions after 20+ Neon but idk i just do ~15s
@ivory barn yeah in raid there's like no reason why you shouldn't be able to block every hit from the boss with tank swaps and shit
still pagoda
^
tawny maple
But the "need more uptime on shield block" comment is stupdi
ivory barn
I'm full tanking Vex 100% Mythic
so when they yell "you got 30% SB uptime wtf"
im confused
but every attempted kill on Prog here is between 50-60%
tawny maple
I mean if you're tanking her full time you're never gonna have 100% up time on shield block
I haven't done Vex on mythic is the common strat not to swap with the beam resets?
ivory barn
I got told im full tanking Vex between flight phase's and every attempt looks like this
but this still feels low to me
tawny maple
So you guys are tank swapping? If that's the case it's perfectly reasonable to be able to block all hits from Vex
Just work on stuff like not casting SB when the boss isn't auto attacking aka like when she breaths or is casting that darkness fear thing
Saves precious seconds
shut summit
i was at ~83% melees blocked back in feb when just tanking her
uptime of block doesnt matter, but you should probably be able to block more than you are atm
tawny maple
She does not she's using an ability
The little swipe animation is her AA
If she doesn't do that then she's not auto attacking you
So when she casts Desolation or that one ability you have to run away she's not actually auto attacking you aka you don't need SB up
ivory barn
in P3 yeah. but im talking P1/P2
rigid sinew
@tawny maple i can say that 22s hasnt forced me into getting a ton of vers aside from fortified zul
im just wondering whether reaching 80% haste off one proc is a bit extra and whether at that point vers would be more valuable
tawny maple
I'm just saying Nerdbot if you're not tanking swapping at all then you'll never block all the hits from Vex and isn't there a stacking debuff that makes you take more and more damage? This strat seems weird but I haven't gotten to mythic Vex so
@rigid sinew I don't think it really affects HOW you do keys I would imagine it's more like a "smoothen" the dmg type deal but idfk. I think the haste corruption is good if you're stacking haste and vice versa
cinder cove
Hey guys I got infinite stars out of my chest today, as a new tank, should I even use it?
sick sentinel
are obelisks affected by bolstering?
normal sigil
big guys in there -no. smallies - yes
flint tiger
if we're able to pick between gemhide and impassive visage, which should we go with?
flint tiger
err, icy-veins puts gemhide higer than RP?
left hatch
its also for new tanks as a starting point
once you get decent gear the armor and avoidance from it is pretty negligable
same reason CC becomes worse and worse the more gear you get
RP also scales with verse
while Gemhide is static
craggy harness
Does Ilgynoth sometimes bug out targetting wrong tank with eye blasto?
scenic hollow
Gushing wound 3 worth keeping? Puts me over 20c
stoic zenith
it targets nearby, so if tank is moving and pops out of range it will turn and beam unsuspecting other tank
sick sentinel
@scenic hollow as long as you're under 40 you're fine
scenic hollow
Is gushing desirable corruption?
sick sentinel
even then you could push higher corruption if you're comfy with it
left hatch
gushing is one of the best corruptions in game
its the highest dps per corruption in st (outside of the unrealiable meme of IS)
and its pretty damn good in aoe
gritty aspen
Making ny first horde prot warrior to push high ish keys on, are the racial differences as big as they are on ally? And if so whats the general go to race for high keys (apart from belf im guessing)
left hatch
so its very desirable because it fits in nicely with higher budget pieces like TD
Belf has nice utility with aoe purge
Vulp has a decent first hit dmg reduction
gritty aspen
Hmt?
gritty aspen
Ayt cheers mein dude
languid light
How do I kill Rexxar with 3 masks as Prot?
sick sentinel
Attack him, fear adds when they all come out
dusky mica
Auto attack him and use actual abilities on the pigs
he spawns 1, then 1, then 2
if you get a gift proc, just pop all cds and flip to rexxar and ignore all mechanics
you can also LOS the pigs if you go inside their little hidey holes
but really not a good plan to do that
languid light
Humm.. gonna try again
dusky mica
if you've unlocked gift of the titans just enter rexxars room a minute after your last proc
languid light
I havent unlocked it yet
dusky mica
it will then proc on first or second pig, if it doesnt just stick to the plan of killing the first two pigs
then depending on rexxars hp decide whether to fear the last two pigs and go ham, or kill those remaining pigs.
without gift, just kill the first two pigs, fear the next two and kill rexxar I think
Rexxars hp level spawns the pigs, so dont go too ham on pull or you'll get all the pigs at once.
dawn jasper
Just hd a 470 nzoth ring drop with 8% leech. Reakon its worth using at all?
sick sentinel
If it’s your highest ilvl ring sure
left hatch
def cleanse that leech corruption tho
sick sentinel
How does one heal without leech
left hatch
its just a dps race
sick sentinel
I’m gonna stack leech corruption and cosplay as a vengeance dh
wraith hemlock
your healers should be able to heal all your incoming damage. If they can not it is one of these:
- They suck
- You suck (don't know how to manage ur CD's)
- You (and perhaps them too) are way undergeared.
lofty drift
If I already have a DC
left hatch
stacking it is kinda a last resort
left hatch
thats very good tho
sick sentinel
YOU POOR SOUL
lofty drift
Every corruption piece I have is gushing
sick sentinel
sarcasm
wraith hemlock
that's like the best one
sick sentinel
very angry sarcasm
left hatch
not best but, its legit the rarest in the game
and VERY valuable because its low low budget
lofty drift
Yeah but it sucks cause I can't get heart cause of it
left hatch
so you can fit in in with TD
sick sentinel
Wear mtiple of them?
wraith hemlock
well it is the best corruption/damage ratio
left hatch
^
lofty drift
I'm wearing 4
wraith hemlock
unless u go for AoE
wraith hemlock
yeah kinda
lofty drift
And still don't have enough to use heard of dark ess
wraith hemlock
which still makes it a beast
left hatch
more visions \o/
sick sentinel
You only have 4 pieces of corruption?