low shield gang
#protection
fossil sparrow
daring bay
Anyone know how to remove boss dmg on warcraft logs?
wanna see who did most dmg on adds all combined
strong forum
thats a great shield
i cant read moonrunes, but i can indentify ineffable truth when i see it
still pagoda
it's a haste/crit from ML
fossil sparrow
holy jesus the mechagon kill 3 rare daily is..stupid
warm plinth
How so
fossil sparrow
I can't find shit
warm plinth
Do you have an addon that shows you the locations of the rares?
warm plinth
You can get TomCat's Tours or HandyNotes
They have the rares marked on the map so you can just do loops
HandyNotes might require a plugin
fossil sparrow
oh, tomcats, have the arathi/darkshore ones didnt know htere was a mechagon one
still pagoda
HandyNotes also has 8.3 module for visions, Vale and Uldum
sick sentinel
Is urchin for prot good?
strong forum
its okay. doesnt see much play anymore since its an outdated trinket
maiden ravine
bleh
should have been an easy freaking 2 chest based on the ilvl of the group
nope
brittle owl
maiden ravine
it was rio and raid progress too
maiden ravine
I guess I just expect too much out of 470 and people who can clear heroic
strong forum
all you need to do is spread the people evenly among the 2 groups
to get the psychus phase done
maiden ravine
hmm, Azuremyst isn't a LatAm server, but this guy played and talked like one.
weird
but yeah, group average ilvl of 465-470 and they couldn't even chest an AD 10.
One druid kept constantly walking into sang
still pagoda
hmm, Azuremyst isn't a LatAm server, but this guy played and talked like one.
Well, here, on EU, you can see a Serb, a Russian and an Italian on one English-speaking server
strong forum
heh sounds like my group
still pagoda
or Russians from Moscow and Vladivostok on one RU server(Gordunni-EU has both European part and Far Eastern guilds at the same time. Though all of us still count schedule time by GMT+3 for convenience of keeping it all in one margin and without errors due 8 hours difference between the farthest western and eastern regions of post-Soviet countries)
maiden ravine
Well in NA the only thing you have to watch out for is the Chinese on Illidan/Sargeras usually
still pagoda
kek
maiden ravine
just want a 12 for the weekly on the priest haha
still pagoda
i did +14 for the weekly today
finally
though it was painful thanks to my guild RL's petty tyrant attitude and 2 "undergeared" UDK's who couldn't into DPS higher than 25-30k in 460(and also didn't kick casts)
maiden ravine
been seeing that a lot
still pagoda
"We need to gear them up for raids and we need YOU to tank for us since you're a plate wearer"
and then the whole SotS route shit
strong forum
๐ค
maiden ravine
group finder gets empty once you report all the advertisements
still pagoda
thinking of such after today's discussion here for runs with friends who i know will perform well
chilly brook
I just left my guild because the GM/RL was pretty much a tyrant
sick sentinel
hi whats a good 2nd trinket ive got the rezan trinket would the 1 from tol dagor be the 1 to go for or 1 from underrot
strong forum
good guy kyle, i also report advertisers
the one from waycrest eremus
gore butcher block
sick sentinel
ah right ok thanks
chilly brook
Apparently all of my points brought up to the guy didn't matter because somehow there was an excuse for all of it
misty shoal
overwhelming power good or does it get consumed too fast when tanking dungeon trash?
strong forum
OP is very good
it has an internal ICD of 1 second for dropping stacks
so minimal uptime is 12 seconds
chilly brook
They trialed me in Mythic Shadhar and apparently me requiring 31k EHRPS was too much of a mana drain for the healers when I wasn't even the top target for any of the healers
chilly brook
But when I pointed out the blood DK required more EHRPS it was suddenly "well he's also soaking things" and "he doesn't mitigate the damage"
But according to him stagger is mitigation
strong forum
dodged a bullet there then
chilly brook
oh absolutely
still pagoda
and doing all shit with Sorn and skipping ele with obelisk for pure pug life(since pugs don't know how to do skips and convincing them to make a proper death run or rogue skip of ele is a much bigger time sink then Sorn)
chilly brook
But what do you expect when the healer who has 3 innervate's available to her also happens to be the GMs cuddle buddy
still pagoda
strong forum
i mean a guild being at shadhar can only be so good
chilly brook
And also happens to be the lowest healer
still pagoda
Shadhar myth or HC?
chilly brook
I guess they got it last night but like, that was after 120+ pulls
strong forum
not really expecting lot of brains or skill of people there
upper violet
man females in guilds are worse than the devil
chilly brook
They're fine
strong forum
chilly brook
But guilds with couples in leadership positions is a red flag
still pagoda
^
strong forum
that yes
still pagoda
definitive one
upper violet
every guild i was in there was some woman who was getting free shit cuz she was the officer's or gm's bf
strong forum
couples never make great raiders
or well
theres exceptions, that i have yet to see
usually 1 of them is a massive wheelchair
chilly brook
I also threw the "if I need too much healing why are all the healers green parsing?"
strong forum
chilly brook
He shot back with "it's a wipe I don't care about what their parse is"
strong forum
be glad you dodged that bullet, and call it a day
still pagoda
strong forum
ive been yelled at by some dps players in EP when i exclusively played cyclo blast + rezan/inkpod
just have to ignore non tank players
chilly brook
Oh it gets better
still pagoda
just have to ignore non tank players
unironically this
chilly brook
He plays all roles so he knows what I should be doing because he plays a DH Tank sometimes
chilly brook
After him admitting he knows nothing about Brewmaster lmao
still pagoda
He plays all roles so he knows what I should be doing because he plays a DH Tank sometimes
My current RL basically
strong forum
"once in a blue moon i tank a +10, i know all about tanks"
still pagoda
he plays pala
and thinks he knows what is best for prot warr
"once in a moon i don't interrupt 2-3 casts in a matter of 5 seconds through AS and rebuke"
When your RL is a pala main
he'll definitely be a petty tyrant without any common sense
chilly brook
He told me he healed me once on his Shaman in a 15 and he was going oom every now and again on a necrotic week so he knows that his healers can't be wrong
still pagoda
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
And apparently me pulling packs while he was drinking was a slight against me
Like bruh I'm not going to die in the time it takes you to get your mana
lofty widget
at what keylevel-ish is memory the better pick over vision?
strong forum
Not before 23+
maiden ravine
Yay, timed my 15 AD
runic plume
bois how important is shield for prot? do i keep using 450 shield or swap to 475 from AH?
warm plinth
If the gold isn't an issue, then 100% the 475 shield
runic plume
obviously but how much is the difference
warm plinth
Very significant
runic plume
not about to spend 500k for a small % difference
still pagoda
i'm too poor to spend that much
verbal rock
hey all. new to Warrior tanking a few weeks ago. 464 ilvl. I can handle solo bosses and small mobs at +13's but as soon as i get more than a few I seem to not be able to handle damage correctly. Just looking for some advice in that department.
chilly brook
Hard to know from that, but my assumption would be that you're simply are letting your mitigation drop in certain cases
warm plinth
#1 mistake of new prot warriors: Using Ignore Pain too much and Shield Block not enough
Shield Block should be up whenever possible while taking damage (or Last Stand with Bolster talented if you have no charges of Shield Block left). Ignore Pain should be used as a rage dump, essentially.
still pagoda
^
like
the biggest and #1 mistake of all new people is lack of shield block uptime
upper violet
Get a weakaura thingy to help u with sb uptime it works wonders for me
dusty warren
Guys, is there a haste cap?
left hatch
no
dusty warren
at general, stats is like this:
Socket > Item Level > Haste > Versatility = Critical
Socket I use 50 versatility?
sick sentinel
What's a bis belt
its one of the only items im lacking and dont know what belt i should go after/socket
For high vers build
left hatch
Ilvl>Haste>Crit for M+
Ilvl>Haste>Verse for Raid
Sockets are item dependent, sometimes they're worth 10+ ilvls on like wrists sometimes it worth +5 if that on like pants
and for sockets you should still be using haste... not verse
verse doesn't become a super important stat till you're doing like... +24's
sick sentinel
okay ty and based on that information which I was already aware of, what belt do you recommend
left hatch
was telling that to Sagga lul who was asking about sockets and stat weights
dusty warren
@inland bolt @left hatch ty
red dock
Simming and it wants me to use formless void minor to let me use a little more corruption. Is formless void the best for survival too?
Out of the resistance minors
inland bolt
@sick sentinel the easiest belt to get would probably be a crafted haste+crit/vers belt with socket if youre after alot of haste, otherwise just get a dark crystaline girdle for crit/vers
left hatch
if not Str of the Warden is a safer pick
red dock
alright, ty
sick sentinel
i just feel like all of the raid belts 475 are garbo
only way to get a proper belt would be through chest
inland bolt
yeah the dark crystaline girdle seems like the best bet from raid
left hatch
so as far as belts are concerned in terms of easiest to obtain the hivemind belt from raid is a guerenteed 475
sick sentinel
still shit 
left hatch
if not that take w/e you can get at highest ilvl or that has TD on it
Freehold and Shrine both have belts that are haste ehavy
so ig spam those on 14's if nothing else
inland bolt
girdle of burgeoning apathy is your BIS if you get a 475 one
sick sentinel
ye exact what i was thinking ty, will continue doing that
445 urchin vs 465 butchers block
left hatch
block
sick sentinel
so i noticed there's a haste > crit and haste > vers build, is the vers option meant for higher keys or should I be buildin haste/vers overall?
left hatch
verse is for raid
or for when you start doing like +24 keys
and need it to survive even with perfect play
and also adjust your build to include stuff like verse % corruptions and verse procs
until you hit that point haste/crit is superior both defensively and for damage
sick sentinel
ah so since im in the 17-20 range haste/crit is the way huh
left hatch
mhm
sick sentinel
alright gotcha, appreciate it
what if all u do is pug in 17-20 and based on thinking that every healer is shit, is it worth to take vers sockets?
left hatch
haste/crit will still provide more overall reduction for you
just doesn't feel like it
left hatch
do them visions
sick sentinel
left hatch
free sockets and 470 TD gear for every slot ๐
sick sentinel
have 300k coalescing visions
cba
should i be filling my sockets with crit or haste
left hatch
haste
sick sentinel
i just have everything socketed with haste and enchanted
left hatch
if you really wanna min max you could sim to see if crit gemming is better
but i dont bother
also weapon should be force multiplier
not quick nav
dusty warren
I dont have luck with prot loot, but is possible get TD with set prot loot?
dusty warren
Hmm
left hatch
WQ have an higher chance to corrupt than other sources for some reason
dusty warren
The unique TD r3 I got is 445 ring. But I have others rings 475. TD is better in this case?
left hatch
Force multi has better uptime and gives more stats
sick sentinel
wtf
left hatch
if it procs again in ava window it gives you mastery as well
and since you have such a high uptime of ava you frequently have both the Mast + haste buffs rolling
sick sentinel
does it affect Td, so it procs more
left hatch
yes, but the diff between a fully stacked haste nav and force multi is negligable
and the mastery + main stat still impacts teh other 70-80% of your damage
and yeh Sagga, TD is better
i ran 420 boots for the first month of the xpac because they had td
and my DH had a 410 offhand for like 5 weeks
sick sentinel
they should start calling battlegrounds for TDgrounds
last mason
wait are visions supposed to guarantee a socket
last mason
oh right
left hatch
on one of your gear pieces
feels really good when you have everything socketed
just missing my belt on my hDH now and am sitting pretty at 25% verse
sick sentinel
is this 5 runs with full masks
sick sentinel
left hatch
so you can ez pz get a socket a week
sick sentinel
easy
sick sentinel
so wait i can get like 4 sockets?
if i have 300k visions
what's an average full 5 mask clear earn you in mementos
left hatch
5k-6k
sick sentinel
i think i get like 5kish
left hatch
idk why but the in vision amount seems to vary a bit for me despite always killing everything and getting all crystals and chests
sick sentinel
boosting visions for gold/get sockets 
hah been making bank recently selling 4/5 masks
and free mementos for me 
is that if you collect all of the chests and crystals @left hatch
left hatch
yeh
left hatch
if you have handynotes and learn the spawns picking them up takes an extra like.. minute
for 425 mementos
sick sentinel
Yea I do see the value of memorizing the spots
sick sentinel
its just in 5 mask my brian is cba just kill
left hatch
and most are on your normal path
sick sentinel
not enough capacity u feel me?
left hatch
i gotchu
sick sentinel
(:
left hatch
idk the whole process is on autopilot for me now
maiden ravine
I'm terrible at finding the org ones
left hatch
started picking them up cause i was catching up on my DH
maiden ravine
they are out of my way actually haha
left hatch
and became habit
left hatch
i was more meaning like... i needed to collect them to not feel so far ebhind XD
it feels fucking awful and stressful to do it on alts knowing you're losing out on weeks of +corruption res
sick sentinel
yee
warm plinth
I came into this way late I think but
Are you saying warlock is one of the easiest for visions? ๐
left hatch
to solo, never played one but they were one of hte first to early full clear solo were they not?
left hatch
tank pet
warm plinth
I doubt it. Warlocks are not good at visions
sick sentinel
they have 0 gapclosers
warm plinth
Warlock tank pet is garbage
warm plinth
Like they're barely above shadow priest for visions as far as the average player is concerned
left hatch
idk the first solo clears and colo 5 masks i saw were locks
but also unfair to compare best of the class to your avg player
dusty warren
Is there any good guide for visions? wowhead I think is very simple. Im looking for buffs, crystals, etc
left hatch
you gotta slog through it, but wowhead has diff articles on the buffs and crystal locations
their sitemap to access the info just isn't very helpful though
and for crystal spawns i just dled handy notes
dusty warren
protocol is best essence for visions right?
warm plinth
Can't use protocol as a prot warrior, but as a DH, I prefer Iris. Depends on if you think you need the stun on some mobs (plus the chance to annihilate something isn't bad)
left hatch
iv been rolling ClF now and then
mostly because i forget to swap outta raid essences
but its also real nice cause its up for basically every elite
and mercs em
warm plinth
Yeah I'm wanting to finish out my R3 CLF on my DH so I can blow up some of the beefier bosses faster
maiden ravine
Just warning, if you annihilate in the valley of wisdom, it won't count for %
paper coral
How are prot wars for solo vision clears? I tried them on my BDK and I don't think I do enough damage.
flint tiger
between callous reprisal and blightborne infusion, which one is worse? icy-veins guide doesn't cover it, but this piece i have only has those two as options (unfortunately limited in my tanking piece options
maiden ravine
you need TD of some sort, but it's easy
stoic zenith
wait? breath of the dying isnt the best for dps in visions?
you're gibbing something every couple of seconds
its always top dmg
inland silo
breath is a dps essence
paper coral
@maiden ravine thanks. I'm trying to decide what tank to try and focus on pre SL. I like the survivability of bdk but warrior was my first love. I'll probably try to get them all to 440 or so tho.
inland silo
tanks cant use it
flint tiger
would you guys pick blightborne infusion or callous reprisal, if you had to pick between the two?
stoic zenith
i prefer arms over prot, but for my druid i use bear over feral
wait? breath of the dying isnt the best for dps in visions?
@stoic zenith
yes i said dps...
inland silo
blightborne is good
flint tiger
cool thanks, and if you can pick between overwhelming power and lifespeed, would you guys go with lifespeed?
or overwhelming power, even though it goes down when taking a bunch of damage (i'm thinking of primarily tanking M+)
paper coral
So, is prot warrior soloing grabbing bunches of mobs and refreshing HP with impending victory? I'm not seeing the "nearly afk" portion unless I'm supposed to be prioritizing Ignore Pain higher than I am.
languid light
Is there any defensive potion to use? Or the strenght and the str per enemy ones are the ones that we should always use?
left hatch
unbridled fury in ST, str/emp prox in aoe
languid light
@paper coral for Visions? Yes, a Bunch.. a TRUE bunch of mobs.
paper coral
@languid light sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm a fresh 120, so just starting my nazjatar stuff
I gave myself a bunch of 385 gear, but i'm still only 357 ilvl
languid light
I usually do 2 pulls per area on visions.
paper coral
with no essences or anything
languid light
Well, you wont be able to pull that much then, you'll need to take it easy.
Imo, it is better if you wait a little, get more gear, get your essences, and then go do visions.
left hatch
or just do the bare minimum in visions to get your cloak upgrade
paper coral
right, i'm just making sure I'm building good habits as I gear up.
left hatch
by the time you get to rank 6 and need to do the side areas yo'ull have enough currency to buy some essences
languid light
With 385 he might not be able to do it.
paper coral
I have to redo all my freaking keybinds and build muscle memory.
languid light
I dont remember what was my ilvl tho
left hatch
visions arn't a good place to form good habits lol
paper coral
No, i'm not talking about visions.
left hatch
solo content =/= group content
left hatch
ah
languid light
Oh, i thought you were talking about visions too.
paper coral
right. I'm talking about the initial quests to unlock essences and stuff.
languid light
lol
paper coral
Negative, i'm waaaay too low for visions.
languid light
Do world quests, emissary. But the best way is to ask someone to carry you on arena while you stun the hell out of the enemy team.
paper coral
Ok, thats how I can gear up. Maybe i'm not being clear tho. As I do my normal war campaign quests I run into elites like the golem in highmountain and he fucks me in the ass. Is there something i'm missing as far as self sustain with no gear or does that come later?
modern brook
R u using shield block to block with your shield??
paper coral
yes?
modern brook
K then pull smaller things into bigger things so they die and u can get victory rush procs
Or talent into that shitty thing that gives u vr every 30 seconds
bronze stirrup
Does anybody know how to add absorb shield to an ignore pain weakaura?
modern brook
Like how much total ur ignore pain is blocking?
modern brook
Mmmm I dont know how to make it but I know they have them over in #ui-addons-manager
bronze stirrup
ok, i'll take a look thank u
sick sentinel
I have it inside of my tracker
ontop, 2 yellow shield block trackers, underneath rage
the green is declining towards the left
bronze stirrup
How did u manage to put the amount inside of the progress bar? @sick sentinel
sick sentinel
and the absorb is dynamic
bronze stirrup
I would like to see my current absorb and the max i can have if possible
Im just not that great at weak auras. I tried turning an icon one i found to a progress bar and it went south... also tried reverse engineering one but also didnt work so idk
Maybe i'll just stick to the icon until i find a way to do it on the progress bar.
sick sentinel
add text custom
function()
local r = WeakAuras.regions[aura_env.id].region
r.text:ClearAllPoints()
r.text:SetPoint("CENTER", r, "CENTER", aura_env.textOffset, 0)
-- Never Surrender
local curHP = UnitHealth("player")
local maxHP = UnitHealthMax("player")
local percHPMissing = (maxHP - curHP) / maxHP
local _, _, _, hasNS = GetTalentInfo(4, 2, 1)
local NSPerc = hasNS and (1 + percHPMissing) or 1
local currentIP = select(16, WA_GetUnitBuff("player", 190456)) or 0
local castIP = tonumber((GetSpellDescription(190456):match("%d+%S+%d"):gsub("%D",""))) * NSPerc
local IPCap = math.floor(castIP * 1.3)
if IPCap - currentIP > 0 then
aura_env.setVisuals(1,1,0, false)
elseif IPCap - currentIP <= 0 then
aura_env.setVisuals(1,0,0, false)
end
return aura_env.shortenNumber(currentIP)
end
fierce phoenix
anyone have a pull timer macro and use big wigs? (or little wigs for m+)
bronze stirrup
how do i make "custom"?
bronze stirrup
got it
fierce phoenix
please tell me someone uses a pull timer macro and can save me!
i hate typing it out each time
steel mauve
i know dbm's is /dbm pull 10 for a 10 second timer, i assume bigwigs would be similar
bronze stirrup
it's still not coming up @sick sentinel im unsure why though
im sorry if this is a bother
sick sentinel
@fierce phoenix /pull 3 or /pull 10-12 is wht i use
i use the button above my TAB
scenic hollow
Out of curiosity, at what ilvl point should I look at upgrading my 450 gloves with the corruption of: Surging Vitality 3
solemn venture
in WCM, bewitched captains, is there any way to dodge the swipe?
left hatch
blood siphon is decent, blood rite is ok
its bloodsport you wanna stay away from
and you should be swapping surging vitality out for EV, TD, TA, GW
if you have access to them
if not hold onto them until you do ig
fierce phoenix
@sick sentinel thank you!!!
round vortex
Does anyone here know if avoidance effects the boss beam on Il'gynoth?
sick sentinel
@solemn venture you can lock down the swipes
Stuns, fears, hard ccs
DBs, disorients
etc
just rotate them
but normally you don't want to pull left side anyway
waste of time and very dangerous
solemn venture
@sick sentinel ty!
paper coral
Should I be set for prot loot prio or something else?
sick sentinel
If you need a shield or weapon roll prot
Or if you need one of the defensive trinkets from raid
last mason
anyone have a vial cd tracker
left hatch
you can make one super easily
there should be an option in from template for trinkets
scenic hollow
Just starting to do +10โs now after not playing for many years. Man I get super anxious doing it. I am guild-less so rely on PUGโs and people are assholes if you donโt know every obelisk pull-point perfectly. Ugh. Is the MDT in Raider.io what I should be using to learn paths? Feels like some of them are excessively complicated
left hatch
its a good starting point for popular routes
you don't have to follow it 100% but for the most part it doesn't require special classes like rogue shroud or shadowmelds
and its designed to skip trash thats either scary or time consuming
so the backtracking... say in their shrine route, saves a lot of time killing icky trash
hallow phoenix
Like Morrison said the routes by Dratnos are usually well known and more or less what pugs expect. Though I've had pugs lose their minds when I don't go to rezan first in Atal
left hatch
you can always modify it to suit your own needs, and as the tank you get final say in the route lol
scenic hollow
Yeah. When I watch YouTube videos etc. they say shit like โget a rogue to pull these mobs away while you go in obeliskโ etc. That shits not feasible in pugs.
left hatch
the only dungeon i see that done is atal
and honestly just modify that route to plan around doing the big dino pull and the double honor gaurd pack
its not lethal at 10s, and like you said its not viable in pug groups to expect that
scenic hollow
Alright. Cheers. I just get anxious doing it a bit and try to avoid it but now I canโt progress my ilvl really without it, so... gotta man up
left hatch
once you get used to it, 10's and 11's are easier than 8's and 9's
because you get to avoid a lot of annoying shit
esp workshop, being able to always skip that last pack is a game changer
hallow phoenix
Skip puzzle too
scenic hollow
In previous years I was in a top 3 world guild as the main tank, and #1 ranked warrior in the world in EverQuest. And here I am being a pussy scared of doing a +10 ๐
scenic hollow
Yeah man. Never really been a lone gunner. But gotta make do without a guild
stiff oracle
๐ฅณ
maiden ravine
I still want all 15s on one character
stiff oracle
Shouldn't be too difficult
gusty ginkgo
what are the statistics biss?
sweet summit
What do you mean?
amber siren
ionic relic
Hey guys and gals! I got worldbreaker! 5th try so not bad. I've used the item and got the lil cutscene, but I can't seem to transmog it? Anybody know the answer? It isn't available under Legion Artifact, and I can't right click the artifact to change the appearance
timid saddle
Try to relog fixed it for me
ionic relic
yeah tried
what is the correct method? should it appear, or do you need to right click
strong forum
Do that then, equip artifact, pick the skin, then swap to your normal weapon and see if you can tmog it
ionic relic
Ok
Need to go to the bank to get it back out ๐
Working now - just logged off again
Thanks all!
now I need to farm a set that looks good with it. Any recommendations?
old dagger
the difference is marginal, but do mechagnomes make good tanks, or are other racials more suitable
sweet summit
They look dumb, so no ๐คข
old dagger
haha
sweet summit
If youre alliance and really care enough. Nelf or dorf
But races are all looks anyway
old dagger
ah thanks
stark ruin
hexed sage
Can you still reflect the sand ability from first boss in ToS?
stark ruin
you can reflect the jolt
hexed sage
Yeah sorry, blacked out what it was called ๐
stark ruin
and wreck yourself if you do so accidentally
the sand is the push-back, and I don't know if it's reflectable
hexed sage
I meant the cyclone strike
stark ruin
cyclone strike yes
I died a few times with cyclone strike and jolt overlaps
where apparently I reflected the jolt into the shield^^
hexed sage
Sounds fun ๐
ionic relic
thanks @stark ruin
alpine shard
Even if im forced to wear a 460 shield. Would you still value Heart of Darkness over Iron Fortress?
strong forum
Technically no
alpine shard
Technically no, or just No - Pick IF?
sweet summit
HoD will be more dps, IF will be less damage taken
alpine shard
Hmm.. im running a TD r5, so tank damage isnt really an issue. Might be better with IF..
strong forum
I would play hod cuz im greedy and I know how to play the spec pretty well
But defensively you would gain quite alot out of that IF
alpine shard
Aight. Gonna stick with HoD i think. Doing mostly 17-18~ so defensivly im usually fine either way ๐
Thanks ๐
cinder jackal
Hey all - Due to various reasons, I am needing to fill a tanking role for our guild. This character is an alt (as far as raids go), and Prot is my secondary spec on that alt.
Needless to say I am a bit undergeared for HC, let alone stepping into Mythic in a couple of weeks time.
I am going to spend the next couple of weeks trying to gear up where I can - Would someone be able to give me some pointers as to the best ways to improve my survivability, outside of gear from HC Ny'alotha, which I will be working on regardless.
I will switch my loot spec to prot while running my M+, but any other ideas, and indeed, specific areas to target (like my shield ๐ ) would be much appreciated.
Essentially, I am looking for a 2-week gear boosting plan!
Thanks in advance
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/hellfire/bundsmash
sweet summit
read the guide and understand your toolkit tbh. experience goes a long way, when to use CD/certain abilities. as far as "stats" go, ilvl>haste>vers for raid survival
lunar jackal
guys
when doing junkyard. When exactly do i need to spell reflect the big slimy adds' consume
lunar jackal
before it starts being cast? or just as its about to end?
sweet summit
right before the first cast ends
lunar jackal
roger
winged grail
@cinder jackal Honestly, I'm maining prot warrior and my best advice would be if you can, roll another tank for raiding. Nya is really not made for prot warriors and aside from doing meme amounts of damage, you'll be struggling defensively at the same item level compared to all other alternatives. I'm not even counting utility which is borderline non-existent. For mythic progression I swapped to DK and it blows my prot warrior out of the water even at 15 lower ilvl.
Won't be a popular opinion here but if you want something easy and fast, prot is not the way to go
Only thing that will make it easier for you is that you'll get instapicked for M+ (with reason, as prot is REALLY good there)
chilly brook
Tbh
I don't really agree with that
I have a blood DK and I've played prot since 8.0, both are similar ilvl and I feel way less in danger of dying on a lot of things outside of a few specific things like add beam for Vex on my prot warrior
@cinder jackal I wouldn't recommend rerolling to another tank unless it's what you want to do. Playing prot in heroic won't be an issue as long as you're utilizing your toolkit properly and your healers aren't braindead or your GM starts assuming that it's your fault that you died because you went 5 seconds into the beam add on Vexiona without receiving a cleanse or a direct heal
Totally not speaking from experience on that last part
still pagoda
^
chilly brook
And especially at a heroic level unless your healers are just not pressing buttons you really shouldn't be an issue at all
maiden ravine
If you can run 14s, it's the fastest way to gear too
brave hornet
Is the sword for wrathion worth using? Or is it just a worse twilight dev?
grand drum
Speaking of vexiona, i was in a heroic pug yesterday where the prot tank used thunderclap 4 times in the fight
And under 10k dps
strong forum
It's a worse TD @brave hornet
modern brook
Damn nice upgraded pfp karton
brave hornet
So if I have r3 twilight dev and the 30 from the sword takes me too high, I should cleanse the sword?
modern brook
The implication that theres a corruption that is too high
Healers ๐ need ๐ to ๐ adjust
But yes. To your question
brave hornet
Idk man.. 80 something is pretty tough.
modern brook
I probably wouldn't cleanse it personally and just use lower ilvl/different weapon
Cause at some point I'd want it and let's be real you're unkillable at 470 overall anyways
still pagoda
Damn nice upgraded pfp karton
ty
modern brook
But yeah from an optimization standpoint keep the td, cleanse the sword
brave hornet
Ty
still pagoda
Cause at some point I'd want it and let's be real you're unkillable at 470 overall anyways
You're unkillable even in 460 tbh
unless you fuck up hard with SB charges or dps pugs don't kick casts in M+
sick sentinel
what is the best dungeon to learn tanking of awakened m+10?
chilly brook
Any of them?
strong forum
All of them
chilly brook
The biggest difference with awakened tbh is just how much it changes routes
tame garden
Strictly considering awakened atal is prob most complicated and workshop the most simple
But you gotta learn em all
tame garden
Dog can be rough with bad pugs as 1 person can wipe you
chilly brook
I will say the thing that I've developed a feeling for the most as a tank while playing prot and BrM is just whether or not you have quality healers
modern brook
i mean
U coulda done awakened perf and still been 2-4 mintues over
dog has nothing to do with it
dog is just "plz fucking dispel and be the appropriate distance from he box"
Which unfortuantely is completely out of your control as a tank
Unles u can SR the burning bite
proven breach
Yeah dps hugging the new box is painful to watch
modern brook
that fight is a perf example of why tanking sucks this expac
all of the mechanics are outside of your control and they all wipe you
Ur entire job is to just get punched in the head and proc twilight dev
๐
Please attend my new ted talk: "Just play bear with 200 corruption and only mastery for stats: It probably will work?"
chilly brook
Depends on who you ask
Some would argue that your job is to not make healers have to heal you
undone sun
Who do you ask
chilly brook
Preferably people who actually understand the role and not the people I described
modern brook
I mean the 2nd half that was mostly memeing
But I stand by tanking being super boring in boss fights
limpid pawn
Workshop is pretty ez though,
Iโd say this week, tol dagor is the real killer
Possibly WCM too
onyx vessel
kings rest
modern brook
workshop has 2 hard pulls on fort, and is BLEGH on tyr
3rd boss is just a slog on tyr
but overall not a bad dungeon for anyweek i think
limpid pawn
So my strat is really only pushing on the easiest of easy weeks, because those IO points are the same regardless lol
modern brook
The big brain strat
limpid pawn
And selling carries all the rest of the time
modern brook
actually the big brain strat
limpid pawn
Iโve broken 100 million gold doing this, not even sure what to buy at this point
limpid pawn
Considering nZoth mount but my guild is probably going to get it down somewhat soon
chilly brook
I really enjoy Mechagon as a dungeon
modern brook
Its def better as a split dungeon than Kara was
chilly brook
Speaking of gold though, I got the heroic BoE gloves with Twisted Appendage rank 2
๐ค
limpid pawn
100% sell it
chilly brook
The question is for how much
chilly brook
I think they were like 200k without corruption on my server
limpid pawn
The thing about BoE is that their value is constantly going down
The later into a tier we go and closer to shadow lands we get, the lower it gets
Sell that shit asap and donโt even squabble over it lol
limpid pawn
You wanna get banned? because thatโs a quick way to get banned
chilly brook
That isn't wow related not even prot related
So take that elsewhere
And you spammed it twice
LMAO
3 total posts on this server
modern brook
๐ฌ
autumn pendant
just
chilly brook
2 of which are this
autumn pendant
Griff no need to double spam ๐
chilly brook
My bad
autumn pendant
๐๏ธ
chilly brook
I'm taking my q's from the man
limpid pawn
<@&257983573498265600> thereโs a guy here that needs to be silenced/banned
chilly brook
Lmao
blazing dune
We got it, thanks 
paper coral
So I just found a video of a prot paladin soloing a raid boss. Is that a Prot paladin thing or can others do that too?
limpid pawn
@fickle cloak goodbye enjoy your vacation
limpid pawn
You try doing it and tell us the result
paper coral
Should be. At the very least put it in Promotion and not here.
blazing dune
If you've been in the server for less than 10 min, it probably is
undone sun
^
chilly brook
Like I said my man had 3 posts two of which were that video in this channel
limpid pawn
Lol, he got executed
paper coral
@blazing dune you mean I can't spam my twitch channel where I play Osu and Mario kart in a channel dedicated to protection paladins? Freaking fascist.
โค๏ธ
chilly brook
@paper coral it's a prot paladin normal raid thing btw
marble cipher
limpid pawn
I wonder if you can do it as a prot war
left hatch
if you mean solo tanking then VDH can also do that for a lot of them
including shad the chad
paper coral
yeah, sorry guys. I was in the prot paladin channel on my phone and I hopped onto my computer and did a brain fart.
autumn pendant
Imma add meme here
Our main tank said leech corruption is good for prot warrior
I will let it here for you boys
strong forum
chilly brook
@limpid pawn I don't think so, it was a lot of revolving around add stacking for the DR/damage boost and just killing the boss by spamming avengers shield from range
@autumn pendant let me guess he plays a dk
still pagoda
wtf happened?
brisk sapphire
whats a good site for m+ mechanics and tanking m+ ?
left hatch
there isn't a great resource (that i know of) that walks you through each and every mechanic.
getting Questionably Epics Dungeon Tips gives you a little dropdown box that tells you what each trash mob does while in a dungeon and thats helpful
chilly brook
Yes plays BrM and thinks that leech is good? Topkek
left hatch
MDT also has info on trash mechanics, but doesn't really denote whats scary vs. trivial
chilly brook
I would have assumed he played a self sustain tank
left hatch
as far as routes are concerned raider.io has good routes that don't really require certain classes or crazy skips
and walk you through a pretty standard route that skips the timesink and scary trash
but honestly the best way you can learn is jump into 10+'s
you're gonna wipe and scuff keys but
learn whats wiping you and why, and how to prevent it in the future
oblique garnet
Getting better at m+ comes with a practice the more you do it the more you learn from it aswell
If you only do a weekly 15 and leave it at that theres a good chance you dont necessarily know whats going on in the key
modern brook
watch sense stream
thats how i learned ๐คท
Really any high key stream is a good idea
doesnt even necessarily have to be from a tanks perspective
chilly brook
How often do tanks in high keys wait for healers? I feel like almost every key I've seen it's on the healer to drink in between mobs
Cuz I'm a key noob
sweet summit
unless its a pack i know im going to get trucked in, i just go without the healer
and let him drink while we start
chilly brook
That's my philosophy as well
But this dude tried telling me I don't have any situational awareness as a tank because I'm not paying attention to his mana
Because I pulled a pack while he was drinking and I wasn't in danger of dying
ebon hound
well you should also be able to tell if your healer is almost oom
chilly brook
ebon hound
but it sounds like he just panicked
sweet summit
pug?
sweet summit
๐ค
last mason
is surging vitality 3 worth dropping lots of ilvl for or not really
chilly brook
No
sweet summit
if its not TD, its not worth
modern brook
U legit shouldnt wait for them to be topped off
if they're sitting and u have CDs just go
sweet summit
i dont like healers that feel like they need to top me off even when im in no danger
sweet summit
kite? whats that
chilly brook
Although tbh I'll probably just go back to prot
Could have also been the fact that it was necrotic week and he was playing a resto shaman alt
strong forum
He has slt that goes through necrotic
Or rocky boi to take aggro off
Vitality conduit also ignores necrotic
chilly brook
Dude was a pepega tbh
Never once used rocky boi
Got mad at me because I moved away from his totems so I could drop stacks
And talked about how the guild was all about communication but never once communicated that he needed mana or anything like that
chrome palm
how do i berserkers rage the minions of zul in KR?
do i pre-pop it and just charge in?
or do i charge in and then they cast something?
strong forum
They fear on contact
sweet summit
pre-pop -> leap -> belf racial ๐
strong forum
So you pre-pop, but it doesn't matter if you get feared for like 0.1 sec, just pop it
You have to kill them or purge their shield
They don't die when having feared somebody
They also only fear their fixated target
chrome palm
i see, so the rest of the group wont get feared if i go in first?
and then they can come and help?
strong forum
No they will
chrome palm
so prot warrior alone cant deal with them?
chrome palm
i can solo kill them through their shield?
strong forum
They fixate people randomly, they can't just stand close to you
Yes the shield isn't very big
chrome palm
even on like a 15 fort?
strong forum
Ye, just pop avatar
modern brook
i mean ideally you should just have belf racial on like 1 person somewhere
whether a dh or rogue
any immunity also gets through it
chrome palm
yeah i know mages can do something about it
modern brook
LLOL no
chrome palm
and there is shaman tremor totem
strong forum
Mage will die if they spellsteal
chrome palm
yeah
sweet summit
shaman purge spam
modern brook
^ dh has belf racial and purge
chrome palm
paladin and priest and belf can just all handle it i think right?
modern brook
and lets be real ur running with a dh they just have a ๐ฅ brain
sweet summit
belf can solo
modern brook
any belf can solo yeah
easiest for DH or rogue though
or warrior
hunter p ez too if they dont ened their turtle
dense berry
Hey guys im trying to move to prot warrior after playing it on a private server for half a year
Any suggestions about bfa or the changes about prot warrior
The server was running on legion and i think it changed alot
sweet summit
tanks are no longer OP AF, you need a healer to do shit
dense berry
oh men
sweet summit
you can still do open world shit and stuff
lean arch
Tell that to naohw
sweet summit
but for keys and raids, you need a healer
lean arch
21fh no healer or whatever it was
sweet summit
he probably isnt naowh
strong forum
Yeah, but a full group of people that could carry his ass :)
A boomy offhealing
And then self sustaining dps
And warlock with constant Healthstone supply
sweet summit
all tanks are great atm
prot warr is ahead of the rest in m+
so no, dont you dare swap specs
dense berry
heady dock
hey all, just joined the channel! I have a question regarding prot warrior. What is the off spec dps that makes most sense, arms or fury? My understanding is that prot stats compliment arms but would like to hear more opinions. I find myself struggling sometimes in horrific visions and soloring rares
winged grail
@chilly brook Well, feel free to disagree ๐ My experience is radically different, and I feel really useless on Hivemind and Shadhar on Mythic, and a liability to the team.
@cinder jackal If you just look at the amount of M+ war prot vs the amount of raid war prot, you'll notice exactly what I'm talking about.
First by far in M+ representations, close to last in Raiding.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/20#class=Tanks
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/24#class=Tanks
strong forum
Prot and arms share the same bis vendor chest and shoulders pieces and they want the exact same stats
autumn pendant
@heady dock kinda both tbh, easier to get 1 weapon though for arms but arms also requires 3 Test of mights
Fury would be just fine too tbh
fossil sparrow
@winged grail almost as if prot raiding is..just bad compared to other tanks, half the attacks can't be blocked
heady dock
hmm ok thanks, and do you all have azerite pieces for off spec or do you just go around with your prot traits? I realised yesterdau that Bastion of might works in arms during avatar
sweet summit
it does, but you never play avatar as arms in PvE
autumn pendant
Well generally nobody runs avatar but yes it works
sweet summit
you might use one BoM just for the IP in PvP i guess
autumn pendant
I have multiple sets of armor at this point for all 3 specs
winged grail
@fossil sparrow I was replying to a previous conversation on that topic where I was making that point
@cinder jackal I'm not trying to demotivate you from playing prot warrior, imho they're the most fun, but clearly not optimal in a raid setting (in Nyalotha)
last mason
tot has legacy loot right
heady dock
oh lol I saw some burst guide for aoe arms in wowhead suggesting avatar but i should probably have another look
thanks all!
fossil sparrow
avatar base when
sweet summit
Ion says no
quasi whale
cinder cove
Hey guys Iโm new to tanking and decided I like prot warrior the best, is it okay if I use vision of perfection as a major at all times?
sweet summit
yeah
sick sentinel
Who said the bad about prot warrior in raid
I am offended
Prot warrior is not bad in raid
The defense rests
cinder jackal
Thanks @winged grail Sadly I dont have much choice (time) to look at something different
sick sentinel
Donโt let people scare you away
sweet summit
prot warr owns
sick sentinel
It is fine in a raid setting
If you are having problems playing prot in a raid setting, it is you not the class that is the problem
winged grail
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limpid pawn
Using gift major on prot war is pretty good for prog fights IMO
ionic fern
I also don't see the issue with protection warriors in raids. ๐คท
sick sentinel
If you are playing your class decently there should be no use for gift major tbh
People out here acting like we donโt have a magic dr on a 25 second cooldown
oblique garnet
I mean i played gift major on quite many fights on prog
sick sentinel
You are pushing much faster than most people
oblique garnet
It was really helpful for certain fights
sick sentinel
I by no means am saying itโs wrong
oblique garnet
And especially if you didnt have defensive trinkets
sick sentinel
I am just saying I have survived fine without it :^)
oblique garnet
Ofc you can survive fine without it
But fights like ilgy and drest for me
Were pain in the ass without it
sick sentinel
Ye if you donโt have def trinkets ilgy can be a bitch
And drest is just an ass fight tbh
sick sentinel
the point I am trying to make is that prot warrior is more than fine defensively in raid
left hatch
lul for tanking class choice only matters the first month or so, and only if you're racing to nzoth
sick sentinel
^
left hatch
at this point you overgear content (or your group does) long before its an issue
the 'weakest' prot will get is you'll have to use an external or absorb trinket for 2nd ilgy beam on mythic
sick sentinel
And you see the amount of players playing meta tanks because A) itโs more forgiving and B) itโs what they saw in world first
sick sentinel
LPS drools
oblique garnet
The maut trinket is still broken and as long as you have even 1 absorb left on it you are unable to die to anything
left hatch
yeh, loot is difficulty locked
jaunty forge
Hi all so im just having a discussion with a bud. Im not a tank and never have been but please help if possible. If i go look at Rio stats from S1 and S2, why did the tank meta change from basically DK to Warr? Was it only damage or why didnt people use Prot warr as meta in S1 keys?
left hatch
DK was used s1 cause grip was good on the ghuunies
prot got giga buffed and BoM became a thing
sweet summit
and BS was not capped lol
last mason
@left hatch so i can do it on hc 10 and hc 25 and same for normal right
jaunty forge
Buffed? whats BoM?
sweet summit
bastion of might
left hatch
and their strong aoe was made even stronger because reaping
jaunty forge
Wasnt there BoM in S1?
sweet summit
nop
left hatch
@last mason oh you're talking legacy raids, uhhh at least up to wrath i think 10 vs 25m are seperate instances, passed that i think its considered the same lockout
and dk's just fallen further and further outta favor because they don't really have any good azerite traits, their dps kinda blows without corruptions, and the higher up they go the more paper you become
self-healing means nothing if you get 1-shot
oblique garnet
The addition of ranged projectiles being able to be blocked was massive for prot
sick sentinel
Jaina went from sleezy to ez
oblique garnet
Thats from s2 already
jaunty forge
Thanks for the help guys
oblique garnet
Being able to block projectiles was added in s1
jaunty forge
He just said Warriors didnt change at all from S1 to S2 which i wont know
oblique garnet
Pretty sure it isnt classified as a projectile
sick sentinel
Seriously?
Wel the more you know
Either way
Being able to block those shards instead of taking them off the dome made life comfortable
oblique garnet
Its jainas melee attack basically
left hatch
just some of the changes.... Ignore pain was taken off the GCD, Shield block base recharge was reduced, Our base stamina was increased, our armor scaling from STr was massively increased
unborn sapphire
Worth going rank 7 SV + rank 4 haste over TD rank 3 + Surging 3, or TD rank 3, SV rank 1 and rank 3 haste? Opinions?
oblique garnet
For what
left hatch
unless you're doing +24's that amount of SV is dumb amounts of overkill
the TD setup is going to be better by a long shot
unborn sapphire
23, 24, 25 keys
oblique garnet
Im pretty sure nerf for example is not even playing sv or vers amps in 25-26 keys
You dont really need them
left hatch
you still need some amount of TD's
if you're playing perfectly and stuff is 1-shotting you then you wanna invest in verse amps
oblique garnet
Its more of an niche set up for certain fights on m+
unborn sapphire
SV does give dmg as well so, depends on overall group dmg.
left hatch
since the proc is unreliable
oblique garnet
I.e last 2 bosses ml
left hatch
SV doesn't give as much damage as TD
oblique garnet
Im for example playing rank5 td and rank 1 IT in 23+ keys
left hatch
and what your group damage currently is isn't a factor
more group dps = faster kills
= better chance of timing the key
distant crystal
vers build could potentially give more group dps than TD if it allows you to pull bigger
left hatch
If.
but you're also not going to be able to massive pull with SV alone
and hope it procs so you live
sick sentinel
Or if the fight takes longer than the proc
distant crystal
i mean it will proc
sick sentinel
Then you just drop like a rock
strong forum
TD5 + IT1 club :+1:
distant crystal
unless you're doing like 10 second pulls it's for sure gonna proc
oblique garnet
You wont be doing bigger pulls no matter what gear you have
You need the disrupts in higher keys
Which is why you dont see mdi pulls in 21+ keys
distant crystal
there's quite a gap between "normal" live pulls and "pull the whole room with 3 udks" mdi pulls
you can still pull a bit more aggressively without reaching mdi huge status
left hatch
but at some point unavoidable (or interruptable) group aoe damage is going to be the limiting factor on a pull
more than your own survivability
unborn sapphire
Thanks for the answers -- I will try it out.
modern brook
i think the packs after first boss in ML is a good example of that
Like theoretically we could tank that infinitely until somone gets quad rocklanced
sick sentinel
You leave the monkeys out of this
distant crystal
aoe disrupts make those p simple
sick sentinel
They didnโt do nothing to you
left hatch
that was lates point though, is at a point you dont have enough disrupts
or stuff is up too long
strong forum
The fixates count as enrage, so soothe form druid or hunter can dispel those
In FH*
left hatch
interesting, TIL
upper violet
same
jaunty forge
@left hatch thnak you for the list of changes
chilly brook
@winged grail WCL representation has very little to do with whether or not the class is fine. We've been over this with 8.0 and Uldir and I showed a lot of people that prot warrior though considered "bad" at the time took less damage or was equal to the meta tanks at the time.
For example let's look at one of the warriors in this discord
Compared to a "meta" pick for this tier
chilly brook
So I really dont think him running and rerolling to a blood dk is gonna be the move
still pagoda
meta only really matters on the highest level
left hatch
and early on to make things easier*
still pagoda
and even there you will have a lot of representation of non-FOTM
chilly brook
Even then what actually matters is if you're comfortable enough with the meta class to perform
loud rain
but lets be honest. BDK's Fotm wasn for its ehrps
i do agree
all tanks can do all content
but bdk is add control and cheese
chilly brook
Nah bloods fotm this raid was because everyone was scared about magic damage
The grips just solidified it
oblique garnet
Bdk was also really strong ngl
Our dk on last phase nzoth after i died on our first kill was pulling 600k hps with the adds smacking him
chilly brook
At least that's my view because everyone was like "wah prot and guardian is gonna be garbage this tier because magic damage" and there was the "blood DK and DH are the only tanks with magic mitigation"
loud rain
pally =]
oblique garnet
Monk felt fucking awful on most fights ngl
still pagoda
hmm...
loud rain
yea specially early
oblique garnet
Yeah
Even though i like hard grinded my monk and got really good gear for it still felt very squishy
loud rain
but hey monk buff op
oblique garnet
Idk dampen harm + externals was nbd
But then like shadhar i clenched everytime i got the spit
chilly brook
Tbh the only time monk feels bad this tier is when healers are just dragging their feet
Although I'm also slanted in that direction because I had a bad experience
oblique garnet
I mean now you have like good gear + alot ofcorruption so monk is w/e impossible to die
loud rain
unless we get 6+ mindrakes
oblique garnet
But progressing early on without all that was very spicy
loud rain
cant see anything there
atomic grove
yo guys, aegis or dynamo minor for this weeks KR?
loud rain
^ and zul hurts
oblique garnet
I still have to do 24 kr this week 
past hollow
how does glimpse of clarity perform for prot? im currently using 2x racing pulse due to having nothing else
past hollow
my options atm are 2x r3 racing pulse 1x rank 3 strikethrough or the glimpse
sweet summit
strikethrough would most likely be better for dps, sim it to make sure
past hollow
is dungeonlsice accurate for prot? on the dh discord they told me not to use it lol
sweet summit
its accurate for what its doing, but not accurate for a dungeon
we usually do different patchwerk sims
like 1 target 2 minutes
4 targets 40 sec
etc
past hollow
alright ill try it out, thanks!
stiff gate
anyone know how much % parry chance you get from Anodized Deflectors on-use? I've heard they're terrible but just curious, can't find the conversion anywhere
ivory barn
still over here wondering why my SB uptime is ~40%. LS is ~20%. that is crazy low for doing sb/sb/sb/ls/sb/sb/sb
still pagoda
haste?
or are you just dropping all of your SB's back to back instead of slowly pacing them out?
ivory barn