it has the same application on greivous weeks
#protection
left hatch
a tiny heal ever 15s isn't going to help your healer top you off above 90
but higher uptimes of SB, more rage gen, more IP's, lowered cd of everything else will keep you above 90% for longer periods of time
still pagoda
^
left hatch
and smooth out your damage intake more so its easier to top you back off
cosmic canyon
is there some macro that swaps to a target in range, another random target if your current target is out of range?
sweet summit
tab
strong forum
tab
sweet summit
the button on your keyboard thats called "TAB"
cosmic canyon
I want to bind it to my abilities
sick sentinel
you guys always say null for wcm, but im running aegis/cns/lucid vision, i think it s best setup for big pulls right?
strong forum
you can very well run aegis yes
sweet summit
@cosmic canyon you can just go into your wow keybinds and keybind it to another key
cosmic canyon
I want something like this
./targetenemy [noharm][noexists]
but, the code for "not in range" --> swap to another target
so i can hit my button and if my target is out of range it tries to find another
what that line above does for my hunter is, if i don't have a target it looks for a target within range. For ranged users you otherwise have to actively tab, target etc to get something to attack. Which hurts overall dps in dungeons.
the downside of the above is you have to be really careful as stuff is dying not to accidently hit the next pack with stuff
now, what i'm asking for and what i thought was kinda clear, but i guess i could've made it abundantly so, is if there is a line of code that: IF my current target is out of range, tries to find a target within range that It'll swap to instead.
tame garden
No
And you should be targeting specific enemies, not blindly letting a macro choose them for you
cosmic canyon
you guys are hopeless
tame garden
sweet summit
there are always prio mobs in a pull
cosmic canyon
look
still pagoda
^^
cosmic canyon
yeah whatever, you're not really helpful
still nymph
@cosmic canyon try something like /clear target /targetenemy [noexists][nodead].
cosmic canyon
ty vix i'll try it
tame garden
Sorry for not indulging in your laziness and suboptimal play
cosmic canyon
I don't know you, and you don't know me speg. there is no reason for you to act like a bully is there? no, then don't. why in the world would i ask for the tab button you think?
tame garden
Because you want to mash buttons
sweet summit
imeeeean, you dont have to take this personal 😳
tame garden
😳
cosmic canyon
I don't though but you act like asshats
and if you haven't been aware yet, i'm making you aware.
tame garden
I'm AWARE
golden lynx
Mhmmm, wars seems bitchin
cosmic canyon
@still nymph worked without the space in cleartarget
still nymph
yeah, i was on my phone, and autocorrect is stupid
cosmic canyon
cheers
daring marlin
no shit sherloc> you guys are hopeless
@cosmic canyon
lol
That hurt my brain when he's trying to call you guys bullies
xD
cosmic canyon
fanboi alert
daring marlin
?
sweet summit
i cba
tame garden
Macroing tab to every ability is a bad idea
cosmic canyon
yes it is speg
daring marlin
Alternatively you're the one asking for something goofy that nobody uses.
For a good reason
still pagoda
That hurt my brain when he's trying to call you guys bullies [2]
Macroing tab to every ability is a bad idea
A really bad idea
mental anchor
When is haste too much? I have 45% haste with no procs and I’m running 475 scale and 465 vita which when they both proc puts me absurdly high. Would it be better to lessen my haste up a bit and put more into vers with my enchants and gems?
strong forum
not really
unless youre dying whilst playing perfectly, then you can start gemming vers
otherwise its a dps and defensive loss
mental anchor
Okay nah I’m not having any problems just wondering if pumping up some more vers would bring my dps higher
strong forum
Eh it scales up essence, corruption and trinket dmg
modern brook
True
strong forum
But given we don't use dmg essences and use haste trinkets, it's not that good anymore
modern brook
I forget td exists because everyone else fucking gets them
strong forum
It was good offensively in EP because of benthics and trinkets
mental anchor
Running 5 ranks of TD fyi
modern brook
Im imagining a Better place
strong forum
I'm also running TD5
sick sentinel
My TD did 17 million damage over 6 minutes last night
strong forum
Haste increases proc chance
sick sentinel
Fucking stupid
strong forum
Sometimes my TD does 4.5mil in 1minute 
it's so balanced bros
mental anchor
Do we run the 2 strength gems? And the rest haste?
tame garden
Thank you blizzard, very cool
sick sentinel
Sim the gems, usually sims higher for me to only run the 120 str and the rest other gems
sweet summit
not a lot of people run 2x str gems, but its not wrong
daring marlin
I legit don't wanna tank keys anymore cuz I have no td lol
sweet summit
haste/crit is for more dps
daring marlin
makes me sad
modern brook
@sick sentinel thats ~47k dps
strong forum
Epic gamer here
modern brook
ur td is another a dps
sick sentinel
Yes
modern brook
Why is this still in the game?
sick sentinel
I told you
modern brook
honestly?
sick sentinel
You LOVE to see that
modern brook
Corruption is such a sick mechanic and its completely ruined by overtuning
like old EV and IS
but TD is just like "yeah no thats fine"
sick sentinel
Where blizzard was right: leaving TD in the game and not ruining the fun
undone sun
At the earliest September
sick sentinel
Nome I love that clip
modern brook
I def need to set up my party frames on my healer better
sick sentinel
You know how many dps I’ve killed cause they “weren’t ready” for me to one shot the living waste
sick sentinel
Honestly if tank has Td better option is dps hide
Or be close and ready to los
Cause it will be fine and then boom
Dead
modern brook
"I have the sword next to my name so im the one thats supposed to kill them" - pug dps, dying to living waste death proc
daring marlin
The biggest slap in the face when it comes to corruption is thr Wrathion weapon.
sick sentinel
When dps complain that tank does more damage than them
stark ruin
It was really fun last week with bursting
stark ruin
"You guys are supposed to survive 5 stacks"
daring marlin
pffft
modern brook
8% leech? 45 corruption: thats a RARE stat
sick sentinel
5 stacks of bursting is ez
modern brook
"42k dps? iinno 25?"
sick sentinel
Excuse me I’ll have you know that my Td sometimes spawns TFB
Which I spell reflect and carry on with my business
modern brook
thats very kind of you
Whe you have TFB from TDs u should just eat them
Ur the tank and the dps at that point
everyone else is just there for loot rolls
sick sentinel
Yeah I came out of first psychus on nzoth yesterday at 184k dps
It was the most busted shit I have ever seen
modern brook
I keep hoping at 30 tank heroic run would cause blizz to hot fix it
but blizz 900% is dropping everything with bfa
sick sentinel
Blizz has given up on BfA
modern brook
yeah
sick sentinel
Which is fine
Game overall is in a decent spot
M+ is fun, raid is semi-fun
One shotting people in pvp is fun
daring marlin
Wrathion weapon should go to 5-10 stacks max and poop the damage.
sick sentinel
Prob
modern brook
honestly agreed on the most part
fuck the azerite grind still tho
idk why every other part of this game is fake and free
but getting azerite on your alts still requires a month worth of grinding or gear funneling
sick sentinel
Yeah I am excited for that to be over, but not excited for classes to feel like shit without the azerite system
daring marlin
I got super lucky this time around on my Warrior azerite wise.
modern brook
i imagine most of the good stuff will find its way into SL one way or another
daring marlin
Guess all that luck went into azerite and arms corruption lol
sick sentinel
Classes that use vision of perfection are gonna feel so rough
daring marlin
Like for ret? If rng gods smile on you and it keeps your initial wings going your dps is insane
But then you have those situations where wings fall off and 2 seconds later vop procs
epic!
Bunch of rng nonsense lol
daring marlin
Says the Rogue!
daring marlin
🐒
mental anchor
unreal parrot
This guy
strong forum
Maybe in raid
chilly brook
I mean
Lemme just turn wrathion towards the raid
And not debuff the tentacles on drest
tame garden
Drest is def an exception
tame garden
daring marlin
There's a lot more room for error for tanks than DPS in 90% of situations. It's just if the tank fucks up certain things the whole raid/group dies.
chilly brook
Not saying we got a lot of crazy stuff to do
But it's kinda the same idea
If you play DPS a lot then doing the extra mechanics required of you isn't a big deal
strong forum
Dps have more breathing room with their mechanics, if they don't die they did the mechanic correctly
Tank has more consequences when fucking up
chilly brook
The problem DPS run into is they tunnel
daring marlin
An example of what I mean is Hivemind.
We have a tank that eats rollyboys all day.
If a dps eats one? Later dude
chilly brook
Well I mean no one should be eating rollybois
stark sage
our tanks are consistently highest damage taken from rollies too
daring marlin
His response was
chilly brook
That honestly blows my mind
chilly brook
Oh he's a blood dk isn't he
daring marlin
But it's extra annoying given the fact he's bitching at people to stop eating them
Yep.
tame garden
Lul that's me
daring marlin
Which makes it even funnier because all he has to do is grip shit
daring marlin
That's what I was referencing
strong forum
daring marlin
lol
strong forum
Just don't talk about mistakes that nobody noticed 
tame garden
😄
chilly brook
It's just actually surprising to me because it's not like sidestepping 2m is going to screw anyone
It just means you dont get hit
Does he eat the cone from tek as well? Lol
tame garden
Hivemind is to me is the epitome of nothing I do matters I am immortal
daring marlin
Just stand around tding
TD PLAY THE GAME FOR ME
I just hate Hivemind cuz I ended up speccing fury for it.
Just to fucking live
The amount of times I died to tick damage over 7+ seconds as arms was infuriating
chilly brook
I just don't find it a fun fight
strong forum
Gearing up is the easy part of the game
But idk how people still get away with rmt advertising
Like blazing boost
chilly brook
But I haven't done it on mythic either so idk
chilly brook
So it's just incredibly basic lmao
tame garden
Yep
tame garden
You dont bother killing the volatile eruption tick on mythic
Just stack inside a barrier and eat the explosion
😂
chilly brook
Seems legit
daring marlin
And rollyboi dot is much more lethal
chilly brook
Queens court killed me on the inside so much
daring marlin
50% more damage taken is oof
chilly brook
Sounds like a great healing parse enabler
strong forum
QC is a pain
It's such a simple fight
Yet people fucked it up so many times
Cuz personal responsibility is a bitch it seems
chilly brook
Yep
tender phoenix
is the sword corrution from wrathion worth keeping as ive seen warrs on my realm with it on or off
strong forum
If you min max the fuck out of it, it's equal to TD1 on aoe, in ST it falls a bit short of TD1
tender phoenix
ST?
potent anvil
single target
tender phoenix
so worth having till i get something much better aka TD2
strong forum
Or EV2+
EV2 is solid 3.5k dps without having to min max anything
And only 5 corruption more than searing breath
chilly brook
Just run with 29 other tanks and clap the boss
daring bay
Ehm, so one of our main tanks cant come and they asked me to tank mythic in hes stead. I do allot of m+ as warrior but maube done 3 bosses on hc as tank
I heard prot warrior are pretty garbage in nyalotha
should i go heavy defensives?
daring bay
What about bosses like vexionia?
chilly brook
Ignore the idiots prot is fine
Tell your healers to heal you and to make sure they're using their cleanse
brittle owl
prot is perfectly fine in raid
chilly brook
All I'm saying is I've seen prot warriors in mythic not using shield block properly, spamming devastate, overcapping and by proxy wasting over half their rage and they're still killing bosses
brittle owl
whoever will give you shit for it is 100% clueless
there's more faff to playing prot warrior on certain bosses (like ilgy) than, say, a vdh
but it's perfectly fine
chilly brook
If you're truly worried about stuff like vex beam or anything just ask for an external
daring bay
I mean, i am completly clueless about the raid. I just push keys as prot XD
So no idea how much it will hurt
daring bay
So SR and IP are enough for the breath?
chilly brook
Just make sure you take a look at a video or the tanknotes.tk for the fights
Should be I dont see why they wouldn't be
The only time I've died on vex is on the add beam when I went 5 seconds without being healed or cleansed
Granted that was heroic on my warrior but there are myriads of people who have done it on mythic as prot
midnight eagle
can a resto druid and prot warrior do visions?
or should he be balance and I be fury or arms?
chilly brook
Yes why wouldn't they be able to
midnight eagle
i mean like a 5 mask full clear etc
brittle owl
but it makes things easier
midnight eagle
we basically just started doing this
brittle owl
this is regardless of class
tame garden
Any spec can do 5mask
chilly brook
^
tame garden
Just depends on your research tree and cloak lvl
chilly brook
Tanks and healers also have reduced mob health in visions
midnight eagle
right now we can barely do 2 bonuses + the boss
chilly brook
Then why are you trying to 5 mask
midnight eagle
no, i didnt even know about a 5 mask until i read about it 5 minutes ago. i just saw the rewards are 475. we are still doing the 4 torn pages quest
nope, i just got the trait that rezzes me when i die with 500 sanity
we just started playing again recently
tame garden
Ah then yeah you just need to advance the research further
midnight eagle
i just have zero DPS gear for other specs and he has nothing for balance so I wanted to check if we can remain in our main spec, that's all
chilly brook
Imo do as much as you can to get mementos before doing visions
That way you get the most out of your visions
And since you're running as tank and he's resto just grab a whole wing
Stuff should fall over fairly quickly and you shouldn't be in danger of dying as long as the mobs aren't getting sanity drain stuff off
stiff oracle
Would you use these over 475 haste mastery in mechagon keys?
chilly brook
Page not found
chilly brook
No
stiff oracle
thought so
autumn tulip
thick drum
Hey guys
I've just got a bit more in depth with Prot warrior and if im honest im really struggling with survivability in M+ (13+) and am looking for some help
left hatch
youd need to be more specific, like what situations are you struggling in?
modern brook
I mean; better advice an be given for specific situations but, really, generic problems with survivability means you're doing some combination of: not cycling cooldowns, not prioritizing shieldblock, not maintaining Demo
and of course: 400ilvl shield
vocal skiff
it could also be because people are not interrupting properly and he's eating magic damage
modern brook
I cant give advice for playing with better players, unfortunately
left hatch
at a 13 thats only really yikes in like... shrine and part of ML
thick drum
So i seem to be keeping up shield block and IP as much as possible but i feel like im not having enough rage. Im hardly using Revenge without proc
left hatch
'keeping up ip' shouldn't be a priority
modern brook
^
left hatch
SB is your active mitigation
you always have that rolling
and just dump excess rage into IP
if you feel rage starved you're likely mucking something in your rotation up
hitting Deva when SS or TC are on cd
or not using Avatar or DS when they come off cd
left hatch
ah yah thats true
modern brook
DS on cd is a killer ppl dont do
chilly brook
@thick drum make sure you're using the proper priority in terms of your rotation and rage shouldn't be an issue
You basically use IP as a rage dump
That's not to say dont use it a lot
It just means you use it when you have excess rage
left hatch
you also shouldn't fixate on IP 'uptime'
chilly brook
Unless of course its Shadow of Zul
left hatch
because the harder the content the more itll be consumed -> less uptime you have of it
chilly brook
Where you basically don't have to worry about melee at all and it's all magic
left hatch
instead focus on metrics like % hits blocked (better way of measuring shield block uptime) and making sure you don't waste rage
chilly brook
By all means at that point don't spend rage on anything else lmao
And what Morrison is saying
IP in the long run is had mitigation
It doesn't eat a lot
left hatch
its not your active mitigation rather*
thick drum
Ok guys at least giving me some stuff to work on i'll work on it and report back if it helps. Thanks guys
modern brook
anytime u die u should probably check the death log
so u know if its ur monkey dps not doing ttheir job
thick drum
Have been wondering if it's been more an issue of pulls or not CCing mobs properly in those pulls. and as you said smoothing out those bigger hits with IP and SB
left hatch
you don't gamify big hits
SB should be up w/e you're taking melee damage, which outside of like... 3 instances in M+ is all the time
trying to sit on it and hold it for big hits is gonna at the very least make you spiky as fuck for the healer to heal
same goes for IP if you try sitting on it for big hits like abilities
you'll wind up wasting rage
the way warrior plays rn is just a constant feedback loop of generating and spending rage as fast as possible
thick drum
So what should i be looking at for my recharge rate on shield block is there a certain value to try and achieve?
left hatch
nah, more haste just makes it easier and easier
a big thing thatll help your uptime though, is new warriors tend to think of LS as an 'oh fuck" defensive cd
its not, its basically just a filler for SB
so you want to use it when you dont have charges of SB, and you dont want to use SB while its up
thick drum
Ok so i wasnt sure if i was messing up and put more into vitality to try and just reduce the damage intake but i guess that just stacking haste is best with no kin dof hard cap
thick drum
Awesome thanks that's been what i've been trying to work out mostly tbh thought i was below a certain breakpoint for haste or something but that helps massively
left hatch
nope, the like... minimum haste value is enough to chain together 3 SBs-> LS -> 2 more SBs
and you get that for free with ITF talent
and there are no softcaps or breakpoints after that where you want to stop prioritizing haste
at least none that are obtainable outside of stacking a fuckload of % corruptions
thick drum
Cool i got really lucky with corruptions tbh got like 5 pieces twilight dev and versatile ring. but im guessing i can drop off the vers ring.
left hatch
if it fits in with your TD 5 no reason not to wear it
if you're comfortable with it 59 corruption is safe to run
up to*
thick drum
Ohh really i've been keeping below 39. I know i can shockwave into them and Stormbolt but been playing really low on corruption.
left hatch
you can also spell reflect them
or just eat them
their damage is capped at 36% max health BEFORE any dr
so pop an IP and give them a hug and its like nothing happened
river plover
Can you spell reflect thing from beyond?
left hatch
yes
river plover
Does IP works against their damage too?
left hatch
yup
river plover
wow, good to know
left hatch
honestly running above 40 its not the TFB thats scary (except the odd occasion where you have 3 spawn at once)
river plover
I have been running indomitable in low keys, cause of extra damage from R5 Twilight
left hatch
its the eyeballs that become far more annoying
its probably not that big a damage increase
10% max health vs. halving the cd of last stand
river plover
so you would run last stand talent nonetheless=
river plover
what about main essence? i have been running vision of perfection throughout all content and i cant imagine taking it off
left hatch
yup, thats your best major for basically everything
in raid you can run CoF if you want to ST parse hunt
and in exceptionally high keys theres use for Lucid and AuG but, you need to know exactly what to use them for and be in coordinated groups
river plover
Yea, just good to know i can keep using perfection, love it
fossil sparrow
jesus christ leveling a warrior sucks
daring marlin
chrome palm
is a 460 weapon with leech better than a 465 without leech?
warm plinth
No
Leech doesn't factor in to gear choices at all really, unless it's two of the same item at the same ilevel and one has leech and the other doesn't
chrome palm
ok thanks
sick sentinel
Did someone say leech
rocky linden
Is there any trick to dealing with shaw in vision, or do I just have to eat all that sanity damage?
sick sentinel
the one that spawns the eye?
you just spam Line of Sight it
Turn your back to it
If you look at it, you lose sanity
lunar finch
but ilvl isnd > than socket right ? got a 465 weapon with haste versa but also a weapon with socket 460 crit /haste. i took the socket. is that correct right ? more stats always better?
sick sentinel
Weapons is an exception. Usually ilvl Will out perform sockets on weapons. But sim it
lunar finch
oh damn.. okay ill just sim. thank you
rocky linden
Man, alleria properly sucked as prot compared to fury
still pagoda
accidental pull of 3 packs in AD
and healer doesn't give a shit about healing people other then DH
i was literally getting more and more shit into my face
dreamy dagger
twisted appendage r2 or echoing void r2 for m+? gotta cleanse one of em
strong forum
TA if its on high ilvl
dreamy dagger
its on a 475 ring and EV is on a 465 with bis stats
strong forum
you can ultimately sim it
EV2 is 3.5k dps
consistent
TA2 is prolly 5k~ish in m+ but rng
dreamy dagger
Thanks for the help will try and sim it and see whats what, forgot to take the purify thingy on raidsbots
lingering sporpods is it any good at all in m+?
strong forum
yup
strong forum
ye
dreamy dagger
raidbots told me to purify TA
but i put on another ring instead >.<
with haste/mast and a socket @ 460 ilvl
dreamy dagger
dungeon slice thought that was the go to for m+
mental anchor
I sim at 3 minutes most Voss fights in raids don’t last 5
strong forum
Dungeon slice is very much in beta and doesn't work for any spec I think, I heard outluls can use it, but for almost nobody is it recommended nor updated
dreamy dagger
ahh
rocky linden
It feels a bit sad to top the heal meter in an M+ 😦
sick sentinel
Pretty normal
Why would it be sad
Only time its not normal is when u have a healing prioritized rdruid
chilly brook
Anyone got some free time to look at a log? It's not Prot but I just want to make sure I'm not insane
rocky linden
Well, our rdruid did 953 dps overall
So I think it's safe to call him healing prioritized
sick sentinel
Also level of key plays a big factor
rocky linden
Yeah, I'm mostly just annoyed at the crap healer to be honest
sick sentinel
I can do 30-35k hps mostly
And 22 and lower, healer doesnt really need to heal anything
rocky linden
Our dead mages seems to indicate otherwise
sick sentinel
I think thats a player problem
rocky linden
It's all player problems :p
sick sentinel
Not a healer problem
rocky linden
Well, I'd say they're both. It kinda goes with the role healer
sick sentinel
If my group can survive without a healer for a pull that takes longer than 30 seconds
I think you guys just dont know how to properly adjust
rocky linden
I think we can all agree that human factor is the main reason for dungeons going bad, yes
rocky linden
Yes, kind of. But it's still a healer that did 953 dps and still couldnt heal people
So on the scale of failure, he scores higher than the rest of the group
sick sentinel
Doesnt mean you guys arent making mistakes either
rocky linden
Like I've said the entire time - no it doesn't. Are you the Johnny Cochran of healers? 😄
sick sentinel
Kinda making it seem you are pinning all of it on the healer
rocky linden
Well, yes, I am, because if he played to a B- standard, like the rest of the group, it would have been trivial. I'm not expecting A+ performances when pugging low-ish keys
But I'm expecting some level of performance
next pelican
engineer helm any good for prot?
sick sentinel
good for ilvl
strong forum
It's the best helmet without bom
dark lark
you guys always say "more stats = better". are you guys typically referring to secondaries only or also str stam armor?
deciding between 465 socketed or 475 base bracers
sweet summit
socketed
graceful cobalt
Hey guys wich combo is Better Ra-Den Trinket 475 and Dragonscale 475 or Ra-Den and Alchi Stone
cosmic canyon
Dungeon slice is the go to for hunters
sick sentinel
Vita and scale @graceful cobalt
graceful cobalt
thx
chilly brook
@dark lark all stats, period including armor stam and strength
young oasis
Guys, is Clockwork Heart good azerite trait?
sweet summit
very good
left hatch
wat
anima is a garbage essence
in major AND minor
and VoP is the best major in like 99% of cases
sweet summit
huh, no CwH is very good
left hatch
the guy before was asking about anima
sweet summit
oh 
its late, i should go to bed
spiral mason
CwH stack?
left hatch
yes
royal rune
Is empowered proximity good to use before a big pull
sick sentinel
Yes
wicked orchid
Should I take a 445 Void-Twisted Titanshard over a 430 Vita-charged Titanshard?
onyx vessel
No
Void is vendor trash for tank atleast
As a tank 60k shield is a single attack you would basically have a 600 str trinket 99% of the time
sick sentinel
MS
wicked orchid
Ok, I thought so, but I was just making sure, thanks!
strong forum
And m+ for hunters
fiery gyro
Can shield block be on a 100% uptime?
inner sail
How much haste% is optimal before focussing more on vers?
sick sentinel
expedient?
rain crystal
would running 1 Ineffable truth and 1 rank 3 Twilight be "better" then running r1/r3 twiligt combo? for m+ felt like u could pop cds for every pull with IT 🤔
fiery gyro
Guys, same item bracers but 10 ilvl difference. 465 has Surging Vit 3. 475 Severe 1.
rain crystal
ty ❤️
mental anchor
475 purify and get more TD
sick sentinel
depends on the corruption resistance
if yo'ure still under 40/60
I'd take the 475
fiery gyro
475 give me 33 corr
fiery gyro
465 gives me 58 corr
sick sentinel
until you get something better
fiery gyro
kek tx lads
wild stump
What y'all using to track team mates CDs? Weakauras or maybe something off of unit frames?
fiery gyro
wild stump
O ty
quick lily
what is the maximum corruption i should aim for as tank??
mental anchor
39 honestly unless you’re just running easy shit for you then 59 is max
sick sentinel
the harder the content the more you get from 59
rancid ferry
best tanks in M+ atm?
and secondly, I have never tanked before in my life so which tank would you recommend for a beginner
mental anchor
Prot warrior is currently the best this tier Druid tank is probably easiest
quick lily
thanks for info!
sick sentinel
yikes
mental anchor
? You have a different thought Kyothi?
sick sentinel
Right now it's a mix between prot and monk for tanking
Neither or the best and have different uses
The easiest would be monk
Hardest would be prot
mental anchor
I could see that, but bear is so brain dead
sick sentinel
So is monk
mental anchor
I’ve never played a monk personally so idk
sick sentinel
and monk is vastly better
mental anchor
I might need to get a class trial and play around with it
I find it hard to top a prot warrior right now though I must not see many good brewmasters
rancid ferry
Thanks for the info. You can't trial tank specs
sick sentinel
Yes u can
🤔
You trial the original spec and switch after you do the beginning tutorial
sick sentinel
a drop of mitigition due to you fucking up can make things one shot you
you can get melee'd from the back
you can get globalled while leaping
etc
etc
mental anchor
Brew masters look dope in Alpha honestly really need to try it out
onyx vessel
sinful fox
what corruption is SOTW
quick lily
wow heroes does not work anymore?
gleaming mortar
Anyone use any addons to keep track of Shield block uptime?
sinful fox
nobody knows what SOTW is
mental anchor
@gleaming mortar Weak aura it’s in #268491842637660160
gleaming mortar
Oh, thank you 🙂
sinful fox
ah strength of the warden ty ofc
mental anchor
Anyone play kul tiran
old cypress
Hi all, just got my third vers 3 amp on my prot warrior, is it worth going full vers or sticking with haste?
currently still only really doing 15s or around there
amber siren
vers isnt worth it until 24 keys
for stacking that is
otherwise just dps is better
old cypress
That is what I was thinking
Will sim vs. haste for dps then, but I suspect haste will win out
lofty widget
hey guys, a general m+ question, is there any way to dodge the iron hook from the add before first boss in siege?
runic plume
echoing void 2 vs deadly momentum 2 for tanking m+?
sweet summit
@lofty widget is that ally siege?
lofty widget
yeah, oneshotting in 22s haha
lofty widget
that's shitty thx though
still pagoda
Ally version of siege is shitty, yet it is not the worst dungeon IMO
sweet summit
delete tol dagor
dusk zinc
For the hidden artifact appearance, is it a daily chance or can you log in and out to reset the chance to get it?
sterile mantle
@mental anchor i do!!
wild nova
@dusk zinc In Legion it was an invisible daily quest that got automatically completed when you entered the cave. Don't think it's changed from that.
ionic relic
Day 3 of Worldbreaker skin grind....failed
@dusk zinc I use a WA that tells me at the cave if it will be there or not. 3 days in and nothing 😦
amber siren
you can use a macro or a WA to check if it's up for you, you do need to collect it in the cave, just entering won't give you the appearance
you can run the macro globally, you don't need to be in high mountain
shut nova
is there a % i should stop stacking haste for others stats ? like i have 35% hast but 10% versa should i drop some hast for more versa or ?
strong forum
Nope
amber siren
no stat caps, just follow the priorities
strong forum
I have a massive amount of 3% vers and 38% haste
shut nova
ok cool thanks ❤️
strong forum
It do be like that, haste doesn't drop off anywhere, it's our best defensive and offensive stat
potent anvil
twilight dev is our best defensive and offensive stat 
analog swift
tame galleon
33
potent anvil
Whatever allows you to get the job done
hidden kindle
How do you guys feel about the vers build for high keys? I currently run a very haste/TD and fill corruption with expedient but Im wondering if it might be worth going all out vers instead
potent anvil
It allows you live against damage that bypasses armor. But it's not something you just swap to unless you think it'll improve your chances of success with a particular encounter or dungeon.
last mason
@potent anvil what was the reason behind taking formless in your recent fh vid
potent anvil
For big damages. Stealing blood of the enemy for aoe.
I'm also running r5 TD, so I'm just trying to do as much damage as possible with it.
minor oyster
Hey bois 3 question if you don't mind me asking
1.The ideal setup for azerite traits is 3xBastions ,2xHeart ,1xThunder & 3X Impasive Visage (any idea what azerites they are on bosses in raid)
2.Is there a sheet what major essences to run for what dung right now I'm blasting Lucid unless i think i might die so I run the cheat death but wondering if there is a cheat sheet somewhere
3.I'll assume not going over 39 corruption is the go to rule and I want to do as much TDs as I can and whatever i can spare into versa corruption
left hatch
you have some misinformation on all 3 counts
minor oyster
i'm undergeard and doing 18s where I just died at some point
so that's when i go cheat death like 450 gear
left hatch
- ideal setup is 3xBoM 1xDC and 2 of something else. HoD is very good but so is CwH and MS. having a UF of OP in the middle ring way outweighs having an IV since RP is also very good in that row
still pagoda
At least you have rio to do such keys
left hatch
Unless you're doing mythic Carapace and Nzoth the BiS setup is mostly from the Azerite vendor, Helm of Abyssal Malevolence (theres an early-ish mythic helm thats basically the same piece you can sub in), Tank buster pauldrons or Kraken Shell pauldrons, and Mechagon chest or Lady Ashvane Cuirrass
minor oyster
pure m+ btw
left hatch
then even more so those pieces are bis
- Lucid isn't a good major until you break into the 20 keys, absolutely need 40s of unbroken avatar and IP spam to live, have a coordinated group that you're pulling around their cds, and are making massive chain pulls ever 2m around those cds for them
unless all of those things are true, VoP is the go-to
for minors CnS, Lucid, and either Str of hte Warden or Sphere of Suprression are the best you can use in basically every sitaution
and yah hes right about the cheat death essence
its kinda inting to give up offensive and defensive power on the possibility you'll die
and you're creating more situations you might die just by running it
minor oyster
even toh
stark ruin
Void is a good minor too, if you can reliably trigger it
minor oyster
evne tho i'm undergread afor the keys I'm doing?
left hatch
yes
you actively will be triggering it more by running it
than if you used a better setup
minor oyster
fair point
left hatch
and yah VoP is a good standin for STr of hte warden as your resistacne pick
but its hard to have good uptime unless your healer is running CoF or your group is staggering their essences around it
minor oyster
purely pugging want to see ifi can get to 3k on it
left hatch
then yah VoP, CnS, Lucid and Str/Sphere
is gonna be your best for basically everything
and your last thing is also misinformed
you can very safely go up to 59 corruption
you have plenty of tools to deal with TFB, shockwave, fear, stormbolt, SR or even just running into him and soaking it since it does a capped 36% hp before DR
rigid sinew
minor oyster
necrotic?
left hatch
even then its wasteful
left hatch
i mean 'don't need it'
and giving up offsneive and defensive power cause feelings
are 2 very diff things
the microrooting sounds like itll play out awful with sanguine
left hatch
the only time CnS is maybe better than VoP, and even then youd have to run it by ppl that run mega keys like kyothi
is if you're in like 25's and doing the verse stack corruption build
and yah Sova, you had it right about wanting to stack as much TD as possible, but fill in the blanks with preferably damage corruption
the verse % is ok but something like a GW will do more for you
especially since 1 verse % alone gives you basically nothing
hold onto the piece though, because once you get into that 24's and 25's you wanna start stacking verse %'s and procs
limpid flax
Hey all looking for some advice on which corruptions to keep
left hatch
unless you're doing 24+ keys Damage corruptions > Stat Procs > Stat %'s is the general rule of thumb
limpid flax
I have 50 corrup infinite star, and 35 corrup crit stack, and 35 corrup echoing void
left hatch
Crit proc and EV
limpid flax
i wanna stay below 40 . corruption tho so can basially either have the 50 or the 2 35s
limpid flax
cool thanks, that's what i wanted to hear
left hatch
and even then its an rng lottery if it performs well or shit
limpid flax
sweet as that shield is a 20 ilvl upgrade and didnt know what to do with it. cheers
left hatch
purify that (:
limpid flax
also on the echoing void(35), i have that on bracers, or can have void ritual (15 corrup)
left hatch
EV
since the nerf its gotten a bad rap, but its still like... 2nd for ST and in the top 5 for AOE
strong forum
^
limpid flax
cheers dude
just started playing this expansion a month ago... i'm used to 'ok it's 10 ilvl better i'll use that'. now it's.. well i can drop 5 ilvl on the helm to keep this azerite trait... but then this new corruption effect... i'll have to purify something else..
it's like the old reforging hit cap days but x5
left hatch
i like corruption, esp a lot more than TFing
but yah it does make 'whats an upgrade' a lot more complicated
tired pivot
how important is Conflict and Strife in keys above 20, I'm looking to get a prot warrior as my new main tank since bdk is getting painful to play. I'm seeing people run CnS in major pretty often, is it something I really want to go for?
left hatch
its not a major worth working towards, VoP Lucid and Aug are the go-tos there in above 20
but its the best minor in the game
tired pivot
I assume it's very similar to bdk in a sense that r2 still warrants a spot
left hatch
at r2 theres some better options
Lucid, Sphere are both safer pics
provided they are both r3
tired pivot
alright, thanks for the tips
still pagoda
how important is Conflict and Strife in keys above 20, I'm looking to get a prot warrior as my new main tank since bdk is getting painful to play. I'm seeing people run CnS in major pretty often, is it something I really want to go for?
How painful bdk is tho?
I'm curious since currently i'm only gearing my warrior and actively leveling other tanks for SL
tired pivot
I assume you're a new player
strong forum
BDK stacks vers to the absolute max to not get oneshot in 20+ keys
cuz BDK cant heal if he just gets 1shot
tired pivot
Even then, you are a lot of times dropping to 2-10k hp
you may be at 1.3 mil hp
then the next moment you are at 7k
one death strike does put you back to full
but it can get very dangerous
still pagoda
I assume you're a new player
@tired pivot
Partially new to BfA. Played mage in first 2 tiers and then abandoned WoW for 10 months
strong forum
ye but you need to life in the first place
tired pivot
I can't recommend you to play bdk if you want to go above 22
strong forum
nobody really will
still pagoda
strong forum
even Naowh, who is notorious for loving BDK, rather plays Unholy in keys
tired pivot
pretty much
still pagoda
Heh
tired pivot
but, if you will just play for fun to get into it, and don't plan to go for massive keys like that
bdk is one of the most fun tanks
and there's a bonus of it apparently being really good in shadowlands
still pagoda
I'm planning to slowly get into higher keys
strong forum
that depends on the person entirely, i hate bdk playstyle for example
but not as much as i hate monk playstyle
tired pivot
it is one of the most interactive ones
still pagoda
I hated it a bit in Legion myself
strong forum
and slowest ones
tired pivot
it really is
strong forum
and slow is a big nono for me
still pagoda
and slow is a big nono for me
Same
tired pivot
I don't mind it at all, it's just that it hurts when I almost die to something that I can't predict
strong forum
also BDKs deal 0 dmg without TD so thats also hella annoying
tired pivot
true, getting aggro with bdk is another pain
in adition to being the least survivable tank, you have so little aggro generation
strong forum
however, in that sense this is one of the best patches for playing tank
because TD allows you to compete when youre lacking dmg
tired pivot
it's funny when a TD proc puts me at the same amount of dps as my dps
as fleeting as that moment is
it's a nice change to see
strong forum
when we're doing 15s for alts im literally topping over some of our mains in dmg
in overall
tired pivot
can imagine, doing those big pulls in some dungeons and getting 2 TD procs is one of the most satisfying things
you can just see the mob hp drop by 10% when it happens too
still pagoda
because TD allows you to compete when youre lacking dmg
Except that it is a frequent occasion to outdps pugs without TD in +10-15 keys
strong forum
cant wait for SL to fuck up player power for a while, because as ive heard, you will not lose Corruptions and Azerite Traits instantly, but gradually while leveling, much like legendaries during BFA leveling.
tired pivot
prot warrior things, it's not something a bdk player gets to experience
still pagoda
strong forum
So you get to play with essences, traits and corruptions in pre-patch. Get used to the new playstyle only to have it ripped away in 1 month
so garbage
tired pivot
my aoe is on an 8 second cd
still pagoda
prot warrior things, it's not something a bdk player gets to experience
In keys i do? It will probably be a norm to outdps pugs as any tank
tired pivot
not without TD
minor oyster
@left hatch it feels better with oP, CnS, Lucid and Str/Sphere but right now i'm getting claped on 19s
still pagoda
I don't have rio to do keys higher than +12 yet
minor oyster
i think it's gear more so then misplay since i had to fucking run away a lot and it was kinda low dps
strong forum
i mean you meantioned youre 450ilvl, so doing 18s/19s is quite impressive
but youre just straight up massively undergeard
minor oyster
but then again I'm 450 ilvl right now
timed it but I had to fuckig run like a madman
tired pivot
I'm surprised you survived an 18 key with that ilvl
still pagoda
Only 1k rio. And most pugs i see in +11 and +12 keys can't even do trivial shit
strong forum
you get to 465 in a literal day
minor oyster
the chracter is less then 3 days old
left hatch
tbh id focus on spamming 15's rn
tired pivot
14's
left hatch
and of course visions to get free 470 corrupted gear
minor oyster
and i only have mindflay corruption and rank 6 cloack
strong forum
literally pointless to do 18s
tired pivot
14 has the same ilvl and is faster
still pagoda
tbh id focus on spamming 15's rn
Rio problem
minor oyster
but it's such a good week guess it would be more benefical to just gear myself up I also have shit fucking azerite I have to play 435 for 3xBoM
tired pivot
I'd love to play more tanks, but gearing them all up is painful
strong forum
and given you have done 18s, you have a group thats carrying you, so you dont need the score for groups
still pagoda
^
minor oyster
I'm 3.4k on main so i get the benefit of doubt for invites alto they always ask if I'm sure I can tank with 450 ilvl
I just always ask the healer to get on discord since I need sitting in certain situations and he can't dps too much
minor oyster
I always pug
strong forum
yikes
still pagoda
I had 1.6k back in Season 2
tired pivot
voice chat makes it softer on the soul
minor oyster
I puged my way to 3.4k every group i joined litteraly falls apart after 1 bad week
strong forum
have only pugged 3 keys total in all of bfa
still pagoda
But rn only 1k
strong forum
but then again, we're not pushing
minor oyster
@strong forum what score did you get up to?
strong forum
3k
minor oyster
giga
tired pivot
keeping a group together is really tough
strong forum
we're a group of autismo guild spergs
left hatch
i comfortably get passed 2k before my friends lose interest and goes to stuff like Rainbow 6
tired pivot
you just need one person to get tilted and another will follow
left hatch
feels bad
strong forum
so that helps
tired pivot
that's fair, I've tried forming groups with people looking for one
minor oyster
first group fell apart when we lost our rogue and we couldn't find a replecmanted so i went rogue and every tank after I just had a hard time with some of theri decision
still pagoda
Pugging is the real pain in lower keys
tired pivot
moving to dps is pepega
minor oyster
now i want to go back to tank since we can't find a decent tank
still pagoda
strong forum
@minor oyster the reason why most people switch to tank
minor oyster
but then fucking every rouge tilts me when I see how little they gauged
tired pivot
tank role is the one thing you can't let others do
strong forum
or well, the reason why the tanks that play tank, play tank
is because other tanks just suck
still pagoda
I just want to break free of this constant wipefest where people can't even do dungeon mechanics
minor oyster
but then the rogues always suck on control they giga on dps but control is fucking shit
strong forum
imagine being a class
tired pivot
really? I've had very few bad dps rogues
strong forum
where your dmg is borderline irrelevant
but your still get picked
because your utility is stupid strong
minor oyster
I don't care about their dps i want them in there for add control if i wanted dps I would just get a hunter
tired pivot
yeah, I just find it odd that they'd fail such a simple class rotation
strong forum
its just outlul
minor oyster
but most rogues i puged only care about their dps like I don't give two shits if you have to waste a ace if i need you to stun that add or gauge almost of cd
tired pivot
right, that is pretty annoying, the utility guy doesn't do utility
minor oyster
^
so now I have the pain when i don't tank i am like why are they doing it like that and when i play tank I'm looking at rogues gauges and just cry
tired pivot
big
minor oyster
then I would suck on two characters insted of one need big blaster group to carry me
😛
sweet summit
kinda true
strong forum
just buy it 4head
tired pivot
wdym, auction house has them going for a small load of a milion gold
tho, you could earn that on a tuesday
those days are mad for gold making
strong forum
cant wait for SL, to turn off my stupid corruption visual
who ever thought this was a good idea deserves to be fired
tired pivot
corruption visual?
strong forum
strong forum
^
still pagoda
corruption visual is really stupid
sweet summit
its cool when you turn red 
strong forum
the red is too low res
tired pivot
not for your healer it isn't
still pagoda
i don't have it since i run only 25 corruption rn, but it will get really annoying going forward i suppose
strong forum
draenei
still pagoda
Yes.
tired pivot
a rare breed
sweet summit
not male draenei :(
still pagoda
i play draenei female exclusively
strong forum
male draenei animations are bad
still pagoda
on every fucking character
sweet summit
no 
still pagoda
strong forum
Catgirl fetish i see
sweet summit
👀
still pagoda
strong forum
tired pivot
shut summit
strong forum
im really good at making things awkward, anybody noticed?
strong forum
thats why i do it
but those things aside
anybody noticed you can proc bulwark of the masses with hunter pets
still pagoda
kek
sick sentinel
https://i.imgur.com/kLvoGpt.png so trying to learn tanking here, and dont have CoS for another 2 weeks is this stable until then?
sweet summit
looks good
strong forum
very much 👌
sick sentinel
Alrighty 👍 Which one do i replace with CoS?
sweet summit
aegis imo
strong forum
aegis
sick sentinel
Gotcha
sweet summit
sick sentinel
sweet summit
sick sentinel
so guessing vita and dragon scale poggers for prot
strong forum
yup
sick sentinel
tame garden
sick sentinel
still pagoda
imagine getting declines to +11's
tame garden
Demon keys
ionic fern
Pug life is rough.
still pagoda
extremely rough
i can really push my rio past 1k right now
because most keys are getting bricked
ionic fern
Well,as a tank it's atleast easier than as a dps.
still pagoda
or not completed thanks to leavers
shy yoke
Is really that good Ineffable Truth as prote?
still pagoda
not great, not terrible
sick sentinel
Alright bois does shields do a lot? I'm stuck with a 435 shield
sick sentinel
RIP