protection

[loud rain]

thats pretty good tbh

[worthy linden]

which is what ive been running for a while but i felt i could have more corruption

yeah true

[loud rain]

haste is just our stat

[worthy linden]

these other corruptions arent really good anyway

yeah

ok i'll go with the pulse and get rid of IT

[loud rain]

if you said raids then i would say keep star and drop EV

but star is preety meh just like ev

but least ev is aoe

[worthy linden]

yeah

[lunar jackal]

guys in skitra should i switch to never surrender from a defensive point of view?

[stark sage]

no

never surrender is pretty bad defensively

[lunar jackal]

could xplain tho? that boss doesnt melee as i understand

[strong forum]

Skitra is the easiest boss in the raid, no point swapping for a 1 shot boss

[stark sage]

never surrender scales linearly with missing hp, you wont get good value out of it unless you are nearly dead

which doesnt even compete with the other 2 talents on the row

[chilly brook]

Theres not much to explain

[lunar jackal]

i know nom ive already killed it using bolster it was just a bit of min maxing

[chilly brook]

NS is just bad

[stark sage]

NS would need to be significantly buffed to compete with indom let alone bolster

[strong forum]

NS only gains value if you get chunked for every single hit you take, and even then its meh at best

[lunar jackal]

i see ty

[chilly brook]

Just like most of the talent tree

It's not the fault of the locked in talents being too OP

It's the fault of the other options just being bad

Like really bad

NS literally basically plays antithetically to how prot is supposed to be played for example, same with the Victory Rush talent

[sick sentinel]

if i go into motherlode, and then i go into atal dazar, do the obelisk change mob inside. like if it's ABCD on ML it is also ABCD on AD
i'm aware of the 2 week 2 of them rotate

it's that, and where i have to place the exit is where i am going most wrong

[lean arch]

is TD mandatory in m+?

[strong forum]

not mandatory, but its the best corruption by miles

also yogi i cant tell if youre asking a question or making a statement

pillars are static for each week, the pillar mobs have 2 rotations that change every week from A rotation to B rotation back to A

you dont really plan routes around which pillar mob is where, you can find generic routes on rio if you have troubles of thinking of spots where to exit pillars

https://raider.io/news?tag=weekly-route

[orchid frigate]

when will i start to fly?

less mastery i guess?

more haste 🙂

[last mason]

I have to choose between shit corruptions, would you go with one truth and one masterful, or two masterful

I have a mind flat also

Flay* but idk if I want that in m+

[strong forum]

ineffable truth is a pretty good corruption

masterful is very lackluster since we dont stack mastery

mindflay at good ilvl and high tier can still pump in m+
my feral druid does like 8k DPS with his T3 475 mindflay in m+

[brittle owl]

how much masterful would you need for 100% mastery outside of BoM doe 🤔

[strong forum]

youd need way too much

even if you have 2k mastery

youd need like T20 masterful and 2k mastery for that 🙂

@orchid frigate 26% mastery isnt too much, i have the exact same, we have almost identical stats actually

[orchid frigate]

[lucid dew]

if im behind on my cloak corruption resist

if i run nzoth normal and heroic do i get 2 cores

or can you just get one a week from nzoth

[strong forum]

you can get 1 per week from vision

and 1 from nzoth

if youre behind

[lucid dew]

oh so it takes a really long time to catch up

[autumn pendant]

well not really

We are like 6 weeks into increased corruption resistance

[strong forum]

who'd have thought that after introducing catch up mechanics, they still timegate the shit out of you with cloak

[autumn pendant]

realistically you can catchup in 3 weeks

[lucid dew]

thats true

[autumn pendant]

atm

[lucid dew]

i just thought it would be more instant

[autumn pendant]

nah

:/

[strong forum]

you need 5 weeks minimum to get to cloak level 15, and then an additional 3 weeks to catch up on CR

fun

[lucid dew]

well looks like i still gotta run nzoth a bunch on my alts ha

[strong forum]

and thats assuming you do every daily, every mini vision and get every vision perfectly according to quest

[lucid dew]

oh yea im terrible with dailies

I basically only do them when im doing an assault

i never go back ha

[strong forum]

ive done dailies like 3 times total

[lucid dew]

fucking me for my sockets though on my war

[strong forum]

im not even exalted with the factions

[lucid dew]

me either

i ahve only boughten one socket so far lol

[strong forum]

im at 2 sockets from visions, but i have like 6 natural sockets anyway, so i cant give enough of a fuck

[lucid dew]

wow so lucky

sockets on 475 gear?

[strong forum]

na, m+ and visions

[last mason]

Echoing void is just ass right

[strong forum]

EV is not great, not bad

[lucid dew]

need them for that perfect bis gear

[amber siren]

EV loses to other corruption in AoE/ST, just depends on your luck

[strong forum]

T2 is a solid 3.5k dps

T3 is like 5k dps

not amazing, not horrible

[amber siren]

just get 5 TD

[strong forum]

just get TD5 + IT1

[lucid dew]

roughly how many item levels do you think a socket is worth

[strong forum]

5

[lucid dew]

thats kinda how i feel

[strong forum]

however im greeding for haste and dps

[lucid dew]

ya socket def better than 5 for fury

[strong forum]

thats why im in 465s rather than my vers mastery 475s

[lucid dew]

I have a 475 crit mastery belt but have blacksmithing i feel like i should try and get a crit haste or a haste verst BS belt instead

would that be recommended?

[strong forum]

that would be better yes

[lucid dew]

i have just been getting such bad luck

[amber siren]

gambling crafted pieces is a slippery slope to becoming something more sinister

[lucid dew]

i have recrafted like 5 times

and alwayts get crit mastery

[strong forum]

thats so rippy

[amber siren]

big blocks pog

[last mason]

would u take mind flay 2 or ev2 in m+

need to drop one of them

[lucid dew]

whats that gear add on called

[strong forum]

id take EV2 unless mindlfay is on 475

[lucid dew]

that shows your ilvl and stuff

[strong forum]

thats shadow and light extension for elvui

if youre talking about my screenshot

[last mason]

ev is 470, flay is 475

[lucid dew]

ya i was

[last mason]

same stats on both

[amber siren]

commenting on his ui and not his race

[sweet summit]

die furry die

[strong forum]

its bis and great tmog dont @ me

i was usually going in for the meme, then it turned out to be bis racial and great tmog, so ill stay that for a while i reckon

technically you can sim Sleepy, mindflay has some RNG to it, EV is very conistent

[last mason]

alright, then out of 465 block, 460 scale, and 475 vial which 2

vial is strong but no defensive value

[strong forum]

i would use block + rezan cuz im personally too lazy to use vial

and it has mastery

[junior ivy]

Hi

[strong forum]

hallu

[warm plinth]

Vulpera is BiS

[last mason]

sphere minor or formless minor in m+

wait nvm

formless or warden

is what i mean

[strong forum]

fromless if your healer is running CoF, otherwise warden will serve you better

especially the amazing 3% stam 👀

[lean arch]

is it not better to just run less corruption and take sphere?

[amber siren]

void needs someone using their azerite pretty often since there are only 5 group members, your DPS will be using long CD azerite roughly all at the same time and it doesnt stack so it'll be wasted, CoF is roughly 1 void proc every 30 seconds

[strong forum]

no shyguy, taking less corruption for the sole purpose of a different minor is not worth it

since most corruptions are several thousand of dps

whereas a minor, is.. minor

[amber siren]

warden is more TD

[strong forum]

im currently in the position where i could get away with not running warden or void and still run my full TD setup, but now i can squeeze in Ineffable Truth 1 without going over 60

so id value that over the minor

unless im feeling funky

[marble cipher]

Right, I have to scour my bags to see if I have an IT r1 now that my cloak is up to date

[old dagger]

protection warriors use shield in off hand right?

[lean arch]

potato cannon

[marble cipher]

Yes, yes we do

Where else would we wear it 😂

[old dagger]

I figured, it's just that I can't see the heirloom, while I could see it for my pld

[amber siren]

strapped to the head

[marble cipher]

I'm not ambidexter, so I would miss all my swings if my weapon was in offhand 🤷

[lean arch]

because youre looking at arms heirlooms

[amber siren]

@old dagger top left of the heirloom menu, change from arms to protection

[old dagger]

aah, thanks my bad

[amber siren]

[uncut field]

does anyone know a good weakaura to track party cd's offensive/defensive/utility

[static aspen]

are prot warriors able to solo harder content if they build for it I mean it wouldn't be on par with BDK but could I solo higher content to get achievements and mounts and such or would a prot pally be better as I really prefer the all rage no magic look but also want to work to unlock a lot of stuff 🙂

[warm plinth]

@oblique garnet Muffincookie does some trash DPS huh?

[left hatch]

solo content as in... world content? visions? old raids?

cause all those things are trivial and Prot war will be able to handle it just as well as a bdk would

[static aspen]

all of them and some legion raids if possible, my problem is at the moment due to work I don't get normal polaying hours so my guildies and friends not on same time as me so looking to do some solo content, I love my warrior as the idea of fighting with your skills and rage is much better than fighting with the light and such to me. I have just got to ilvl 446 on my warrior so he is still quite low ilvl but prob wont get much higher as cant commit to doing raids at this time.

[left hatch]

yah it doesn't matter what class you play for older raids

the only thing there is gonna be dps checks

which Prot war would be easier for than your BDK

[static aspen]

sweet that makes me a happy raging warrior 🙂 thank you Morrison 🙂

[left hatch]

anytime

[tame garden]

[keen canopy]

Any use in using Ineffable Truth for prot keys 17+?

[left hatch]

not at that level no

the only real use of IT is if you stack 2 of them so you have meme strats around spell reflect

namely on Rixxa and Lord Waycrest to SR every one of their dots

and even thats not a super widely used strat

and certainly not worth it until you break into the 20's

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth ?

You can use it rank 1 now with rank 5 td and stay below 60 corruption

So its pretty good in all keys

[left hatch]

if you have room for sure

but id still take something like GW over it

or even a stat% to boost that TD damage

[marble cipher]

GW is 15 though, can't wear that + TD5 till next week iirc

[brisk ferry]

currently running TD4 + GW to stay under 40

[marble cipher]

Thing isn't bad for prot, you can reflect it most of the times. Stun/fear/shockwave if you need reflect for something

[brisk ferry]

I actually haven't tried over 40 in any keys yet, but I am able to go to TD5

[marble cipher]

I would, tbf

Tried it once, never looked back

[brisk ferry]

I'll try it out

[lean arch]

I wouldn't do over 40 on necrotic or grievous probably

[marble cipher]

That's only up to 17 ish though, so take it with a grain of salt

[lean arch]

Moreso necrotic

[marble cipher]

Necro or griev I tend to turtle a tiny bit more yeah, dropping to TD 4 then

[lean arch]

Imagine only having td3 :(

Meanwhile my lock has like td14

[marble cipher]

My Pala has TD1, but all the Severe you could ever want 😂

[brisk ferry]

think my total is TD12 right now

but some pieces are only ~440 ilvl

[lean arch]

I have fuck all for stat boosts on any of my 3 toons

A few honed mind and surging vit

[oblique garnet]

@warm plinth what did you think of my damage on jy

[marble cipher]

@brisk ferry I'm still using a 410 ring cause it has TD3 🤷

[brisk ferry]

I was lucky enough to get 475 pants and ring with TD3 and tD1 repsectively

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Brosvidaniya

current gear, but I will move some stuff around to fit another TD for tonight

[cosmic canyon]

How good is the engi head? What's the uptime on spark coil? Any other inner ring ones that would be better?

+m

[oblique garnet]

Engi helm is fine alternative but ideally youd want the 3rd BoM

[brisk ferry]

I'm currently saving to get helm of abyssal malevolance

goggles feel only medium

[cosmic canyon]

5% less damage sounds like a lot though. Does it also apply to the main target? Or only the nearby mobs

Spark coil

[strong forum]

if you can fit it in, Ineffable Truth is always something for easy corruption fill

[chrome palm]

hey can druids stealth and pull the ataldazar obelisk with the double honor guard?

or will they unstealth and get killed?

[cosmic canyon]

Hunters, rogues, nightelves etc can help you pull away to start the boss

[strong forum]

only those can

Druid is not able to drop combat unless hes a nightelf

[amber siren]

Everyone can do skips if they’re willing to die

[strong forum]

thats what we've been doing quite a lot

even unintentionally

[still pagoda]

done part of heroic today(except for Il'Gynoth and both N'zoth bosses)

no vita

no scale shard

[warm plinth]

Pretty sexy deeps Late

[urban briar]

is thier a warrior spredsheet or how can i find out my best gear defensively for high mythic + is thier any1 i can talk to?

[tender phoenix]

is there any way to make me survive more on Wrathion Mythic as I always die from breath or incineration DoTs?

[strong forum]

best gear is highest ilvl

ilvl > haste > vers=crit > mastery for general use

thats about it

BiS lists arent a thing anymore

[urban briar]

okay how about best of what i have?

[strong forum]

you Demo + IP for 1st breath, IP + SR for 2nd Breath, then you swap @tender phoenix

rest is up to your healers

[urban briar]

i have 465- 475 in every slot

[languid light]

What are the best defensive trinkets that I can get outside of raids? Just did a 14 boralus and was called out squishy.

[strong forum]

rezans eye and gore butcher block

Vibe, as i stated, haste > vers=crit

sockets are 5-10ilvl

max ilvl on weapon, max ilvl on shield

[languid light]

Thanks, man.

[ionic relic]

Hey team, can I still get this? Burning Plate of the Worldbreaker

[icy badger]

Yup

Got it the other week

[brisk ferry]

yeh u can

there's a command u can run at the cave find out if its active

[ionic relic]

great - going to try now, wish me luck

I got a WA that tells me too @brisk ferry

[edgy bone]

Would anyone be willing to screenshare with me for a minute or two and help me choose the best corruptions for pushing keys this week?

[brisk ferry]

just put your gear in raidbots and link it here

[edgy bone]

ok

@brisk ferry Ok how?

Im in top gear raidbots

inputted my simcraft string

Do you want me to run the sim then link it?

[brisk ferry]

no you should be able to just link "Top Gear" ssection

or screenshot it

[edgy bone]

Right now im running R3 Tdev on my ring and R2 mindflay on my belt, that's it. For 32 corruption. Is there anything better?

[ionic relic]

@brisk ferry no luck today with the artifact appearance 😦

[brisk ferry]

RIP try again tomorrow!

[ionic relic]

Will do 🙂

Is it like a 3am reset?

[brisk ferry]

I'm not entirely sure, I haven't looked into it in like 4 years now? lol

[south spruce]

Whats the better option here bois? Is the vers worth it?

[strong forum]

Phew...

I would prolly use the 450s with stats, just because the mechagon bracers are so bad

And ilvl on wrists isn't as big

[south spruce]

Mmm

[strong forum]

It's defo gonna give you more dps if nothing else

[south spruce]

yeah

ur right

thanks

[strong forum]

@edgy bone na looks good

you can maybe swap gloves to racing pulse 3, but TA will result in prolly more dps

[cosmic canyon]

I've got some questions which I guess to some extent comes down to personal preference, but..

What spells do you castsequence macro? In what order, why and what reset timers? If any?

Or is there some other way to maximise efficiency of CD usage you can recommend?

[strong forum]

nobody does cast sequence anymore

afaik

[cosmic canyon]

I stack demo with sb, without any sequence. I've also explored some other combos with the other abilities but Idk whats the best

[strong forum]

you press SS>TC>revenge>deva on CD

[cosmic canyon]

I do run revenge/ip one

[strong forum]

you use avatar and demo on CD

thats about it

no sequence needed

[left hatch]

cast sequence macros have no benefit and are bond to mess something up eventually

like your revenge ip one

[strong forum]

itll make you waste a ton of rage

for no purpose

[left hatch]

what if you want to cast a free revenge but that IP is going to delay SB

can lead to a death on relevent content

same with the demo/SB one

you could be delaying your demo shout by... damn a good 10s

if you're in last stand and not SBing

and thats a good 40% of demo shouts cd with decent haste levels now wasted

[cosmic canyon]

Its not like I don't have the spells up elsewhere in my ui, I'm just trying to maximise uptime and weigh it with effort. Single casting all your abilities require quite some rotation/keybind bonanza. As a new warrior I fear that would impact my chances of survival more so than the occasional sb/demo miss

[left hatch]

trying to macro things together is far more dangerous

than just getting into good habits

the revenge/ip one alone is yikes

[cosmic canyon]

Works kinda well though, haven't had troubles with not enough rage for sb so far

I see your point and won't argue against it further.

[left hatch]

be careful of confirmation bias

it might feel nice and easy rn

but

less control when tanking is bad

[cosmic canyon]

I check my details after every key and test around

[left hatch]

and linking those things together takes away some level of control

[cosmic canyon]

Idk, sb/demo is what I use straight off the bat in every pull, perhaps that's wrong? If it's right, then I see value in getting that consistently with one button rather than having to click twice

[left hatch]

it is wrong

because Demo is on teh GCD

so if you're consistently opening with DS you'lre going to lose threat often

ideal opening is Clap->avatar->clap->demo

[cosmic canyon]

And sb when?

[left hatch]

while yo'ure charging in ideally

you're putting SB on the gcd

or rather triggering the gcd with SB occasionally with that

[strong forum]

right before you can get melee'd ideally

[left hatch]

which is... very bad

[cosmic canyon]

Isn't it better to use avatar while charging in, then hit clap then hit sb/demo then clap then clap etc?

[strong forum]

you can do that yes

since SB is off GCD

[left hatch]

the clap -> sb/demo combo

[strong forum]

and so is charge

[left hatch]

will get you killed

in relevent content

[strong forum]

eh

[left hatch]

a string on melees on the first pull in FH on like a 17

[strong forum]

if you charge->avatar->SB->clap->demo->clap

[left hatch]

would merc him

[strong forum]

thats the combo i would do

[left hatch]

right, but hes trying to advocate tying SB to demo

which means hes either delaying SB a gcd

[strong forum]

thats just straight up bad

[left hatch]

or delaying clap

[strong forum]

tying stuff together does not work itll fuck up your entire rotation

theres no correlation needed between spells

you use eveything situationally and opportunistic

[cosmic canyon]

Sure, I am.

[left hatch]

but you can't when they're macrod together lol

[cosmic canyon]

Well I can no? I could hit my sb/demo button when I'm casting a clap

[strong forum]

like, those macros are so niche

[cosmic canyon]

Getting the sb but not the demo

[strong forum]

whats the point of the macro then

if you could just press SB normally

[cosmic canyon]

To reduce button need

[strong forum]

what if you wanted only demo

but not SB

because you casted SB 2 sec earlier

[left hatch]

or during last stand

[cosmic canyon]

Then I click demo on my interface

[left hatch]

then why have the macro.

[strong forum]

^

also... clicking

[cosmic canyon]

To reduce button use

[strong forum]

thats not how this works / should work

[left hatch]

but you already have it on anyway

wat

[strong forum]

youre also not conserving buttons

since you have 3 seperate binds already

1 for a useless macro, 1 for sb and 1 for demo

so you actually inflated your buttons

for no reason

[cosmic canyon]

How have you binded your keys? 12345

[inland silo]

macros like that are just objectively bad. you can talk your way around it and convince yourself its useful to you, but it will never lead to optimal play

[strong forum]

i have like 36 keybinds

maybe 40

[left hatch]

1234, shift and ctr binds for QERFG

and 2 mouse buttons

some classes i use 5 usually for az essence

[strong forum]

12345 yxcvfqer + shift combinations + ctrl combinations

thats what i use

some specs / classes require up to 60 binds

[empty nacelle]

Nobody use mousewheel?

[cosmic canyon]

I do

[left hatch]

were not legion havoc DH's no more

[strong forum]

mousewheel is for my camera, literally default

[inland silo]

mousewheel is for the zooming the camera in and out

[cosmic canyon]

Lol

Ctrl mouse for me does that

The wheel that is

[kind burrow]

Is it worth to keep this corruption ?

[strong forum]

ah yeah also mouse 4 and 5 + shift combinations

if you can fit it into your corruption, its 50% uptime, pretty good defensively yes Serial

[empty nacelle]

Don’t think I’ve ever used zoom in my life. Set to max and just leave it there

[kind burrow]

Okay, thanks! 😄

[left hatch]

if you already are used to hitting control

you should have no problem finding enough binds

[strong forum]

^

[cosmic canyon]

800 vers is like 8% more damage and 4% less taken while it procs (a bit more of both tbh)

[strong forum]

for shadowlands you will need about 10 more binds

so, get ready for that

[empty nacelle]

I’m actually curious now, do you guys actually zoom in and out frequently?

[strong forum]

ye

[empty nacelle]

I never feel that I need to

[left hatch]

depends on the dungeon

places like TD 100% yes

[strong forum]

mostly in the overworld to check out tmogs

tbh

[empty nacelle]

Eh the environment does that for you though?

[strong forum]

na that fucks up so much shit

[empty nacelle]

In TD I mean

[left hatch]

forced camera angles tned to fuck up

and stare inside the wall

instead of what i need to be looking at

[cosmic canyon]

I zoom in and out too

[empty nacelle]

I change angle to avoid that, guess I’m weird

[strong forum]

its just personal preference

nothing more

[left hatch]

nothing wrong with it

[cosmic canyon]

You run max distance on tol dagor?

[empty nacelle]

Yeah I see

On everything

[left hatch]

just never felt the need to use mousewheel binds either

[empty nacelle]

My zoom has been inbound since like mop lol

[strong forum]

same

[empty nacelle]

Mousewheel up is charge lmao

[potent anvil]

I unbound mouse wheel and just play maxed out camera all the time. If I cant see anything I just blame it on my boomer eyes.

[left hatch]

still have Shift-CTR on T open and Shift and CTR on 12345 if i need them

[strong forum]

oh yeah, S is also a button i use

shift+S is essences

S is mount

also, imagine being a boomer

[empty nacelle]

Ah wait, I know why now

I’m left handed, so my binds are very different

Lmao

[strong forum]

well

that changes things i guess

🤷‍♂️

[cosmic canyon]

You're kinda explaining exactly why I am trying to limit my keybinds and have a few emergency buttons on odd binds elsewhere. =P

I'll probably end up like you, using more single spells in the end. But for now this is where I'm at.

[left hatch]

what explains why you're limiting keybinds?

[cosmic canyon]

Thanks for help. Gotta go a bit.

[left hatch]

o.0

like personal preference is fine when it doesn't actively fuck up your rotation

[strong forum]

ah what can ya do, its his game in the end

[left hatch]

he could have SS on space and tclap on escape

as long as he was hitting them

but binding together force uses things when you don't want to/shouldn't be

and thats a big yikes

[strong forum]

is fine bro, hes gone, maybe he learned a thing or two

cant force him into it if he doesnt want to

[left hatch]

at this point its more for random ppl not picking up bad habits

[strong forum]

that point shouldve gotten across

for the lurkers

[left hatch]

yeh fair

[empty nacelle]

I’m having a keybind crisis now

[left hatch]

good

step 1. stop being left handed

[empty nacelle]

I don’t deserve this

[sick sentinel]

That’s it

[empty nacelle]

Reeee

[sick sentinel]

I’m unbinding everything

[strong forum]

morrison kek

[left hatch]

real men cast outta spell book

RP a mage

[strong forum]

real men write /cast for everything

3000000wpm

[left hatch]

ooh true

thats 5head right there

[empty nacelle]

Voice command abilities

[sick sentinel]

I respect people who bind their mount tho

[left hatch]

Siri, cast Charge
"calling charles"

[strong forum]

my Battle Shout is already Voice Activated

[sick sentinel]

I am clicks mcgee with my mount

[strong forum]

everytime somebody asks for shout in raid

you know what you gotta do

[left hatch]

mount and HS are my only clicks at this point i think

[sick sentinel]

Whenever someone asks me for shout in raid I just yell into the mic

[left hatch]

even disenchanting/enchantinghas a bind

[empty nacelle]

If I had a healer I’d make it respond to wololo

[strong forum]

my pull macro is the only thing i click

and drums in bags

[sick sentinel]

Trying to think what I click

Definitely no abilities

Which is the main takeaway here

For you lurkers

[empty nacelle]

Tried using opie, but I just couldn’t get used to it

[left hatch]

its a progression, in WoD i clicked everything but basics, and gradually started binding interrupts and cds

[strong forum]

i installed OPie for world markers, still have it installed, but never used it

[left hatch]

last stayover was potions

and recently put those on a mosue button

[strong forum]

i swapped to binds a few weeks after getting into wow back in TBC

felt so much more fun

still remember it

slowly transitioning into full bind setup

[sick sentinel]

I clicked pre potions until relatively recently

Like late legion maybe?

[empty nacelle]

I once had /gquit bound

[strong forum]

pre-pots, eh sure

[empty nacelle]

Dark time indeed

[strong forum]

lmao

[left hatch]

i clicked prepots until like.. 6 months ago

ho humm

[strong forum]

i didnt use pots until 2 years ago cuz thats not a thing in arena

[sick sentinel]

I went into arena once

[left hatch]

its where CnS lives

and i never went back

[strong forum]

its where boys turn into men

cant wait for SL

and destroy people in arena

[sick sentinel]

I think I am also fighting my own team in arena

[strong forum]

and get a ton of utility as arms

[sick sentinel]

I actively work against them

[left hatch]

play hte LOS game with your own healer

[strong forum]

heroic leap away from your team behind a pillar

"i was trying to get the rogue out of stealth"

[empty nacelle]

Hunters and DHs get a LOS ignoring ability, do healers have any? I don’t know shit about healers

[strong forum]

only spells like Tranq and Hymn

afaik

basically the massive aoe heals dont care about los

or monk statue

or any channeled ability, but only after you started the channel in los

[empty nacelle]

Yeah I know about channels

[strong forum]

but thats about it

[empty nacelle]

Hmm

[strong forum]

everyone else has to play the game like a normal person

but DHs get to be special edgy bois -.-

[left hatch]

nothing personal kid

[strong forum]

sorry master but i must go all out just this once

[still pagoda]

You've been wiping in lower keys

while i've mastered the sword to push

[south spruce]

Overal data on a +9 ya hate to see it

[still pagoda]

typical lower keys

i see this 24/7 in this bottomless pit of +10's and +12's

[south spruce]

Pretty frustrating

Guys are ilvl 460 as well

[still pagoda]

now you know how i feel rn

after seeing people dying to trivial aoe and standing in fire in JY +12

[fossil sparrow]

..seeing as dungeons normally avg higher damage I'd hate to see their ST

[sick sentinel]

Lul pugged a 16 FH to carry a buddy was asked by healer why I am not running null barrier

I hate everyone

[left hatch]

proper response is to ask why they're not running CoF

[warm plinth]

Yikes

[still pagoda]

proper response is to ask why they're not running CoF

Unironically this

Most pugs i've encountered in lower keys barely know what to do

For every timed key there're 5-6 bricked ones

[sick sentinel]

I just leave

I don’t need some turd healer in a 16 telling me how to play my class cause he saw naowh run null barrier lmao

[still pagoda]

I don't since i'm already doomed to get rejected preemptively due to me being from RU server

It is harder to get into pug groups if you're from any Russian server on EU

[wheat kiln]

so im working together my prot build, and im strictly trying to go with survivability over damage, and im not sure how my stats are looking...maybe someone could help me out.

feel like my vers is to low..

[brittle owl]

your play >>>>>>>>>>>>> your stats

in terms of survival

[still pagoda]

^

[brittle owl]

stop worrying about obsolete shit like that

this isn't classic

[still pagoda]

Prot already has a shitton of def baseline

[brittle owl]

you don't need x stat to be viable

[wheat kiln]

i mean the play is all about rage management and making sure youre mitigating

[brittle owl]

for 99% of content

no

the play includes using your cd's appropriately

knowing your limits

pushing your limits

and min maxing dps

also

knowing the encounter

all of those will get you way ahead of just shifting 5% more into vers

[still pagoda]

And knowing routes and gimmicky skips and tricks

[brittle owl]

gimmicks dont really work in pugs doe

[still pagoda]

Ye

[sick sentinel]

They work for you just not for the group lmao

[brittle owl]

kekw

[still pagoda]

Kekw

[brittle owl]

snapping saurids during sanguine

lmao

[still pagoda]

Tried to run JY +11 by Dratnos's route today

[wheat kiln]

yeah not tanking mythics currently just heroic raiding. i dps mostly in mythic and thats my main build anyways fury.

[brittle owl]

just sim for dps for heroic raiding

[sick sentinel]

Heroic raid should be optimizing dps as prot

[brittle owl]

nothing can kill you

[still pagoda]

Had to redo it completely due to this week's aerial defences rotation and pugs being too dumb to collect sparkbots and dodge shit

[brittle owl]

unless you or your healers afk

or both

probably both

[wheat kiln]

lol

hardest fight for me seems to be nzoth

[still pagoda]

probably both
@brittle owl

146% both

[brittle owl]

whats bad about nzoth

[still pagoda]

Zanesh is literally onetankable by now

[brittle owl]

you literally don't care about mindwracks

[wheat kiln]

i dont think its the fight

[brittle owl]

33% increased physical damage taken

[wheat kiln]

its me more so

[brittle owl]

AS IF YOU'LL NOTICE

[sick sentinel]

N’Zoth is just knowing the psychus and smacking whatever is on your screen

[still pagoda]

N’Zoth is just knowing the psychus and smacking whatever is on your screen

Smacking your head into keyboard

[brittle owl]

100% more than 0 is still 0

[sick sentinel]

See tentacle

[brittle owl]

charge clap

[sick sentinel]

Hit tentacle

[wheat kiln]

i just havent done the fight as a tank maybe only 3-4

[sick sentinel]

See psychus

Kite him to tentacle

[brittle owl]

shield slam psychus at many stacks

[sick sentinel]

Kill psychus

See nzoth

Hit nzoth

[brittle owl]

yeah you just need to look up a path for psychis

[still pagoda]

@wheat kiln you're extremely overgeared to not be invincible in heroic

[brittle owl]

can be rough as a first timer

[sick sentinel]

Fight is an actual snooze for tanks

[brittle owl]

since psychus does fucky dances whenever he is casting

and his hitbox is weird

[wheat kiln]

yeah hes scuffed a lot

[sick sentinel]

Also did you say you feel like 19% verse is too low? I run 6 maybe 7% verse

[brittle owl]

19% vers is p big tbh yeah

as baseline without versatile corruptions

[sick sentinel]

Versatile corruption

What’s that

[still pagoda]

3% verse scrub here. Feeling fine

[sick sentinel]

All I know is TD

[brittle owl]

thing that some chickens run in 24's or soemthing

[wheat kiln]

i got td 3 but was debating not using it, because its on a DPS bis ring

[sick sentinel]

MMMMMM TD MMMMMMM

[wheat kiln]

like 435 crit and 143 haste lol

[brittle owl]

who cares

td 3

slap that shit on

[still pagoda]

Who cares

[brittle owl]

pump

[still pagoda]

TD3 + shitton of raw stats

[wheat kiln]

honed mind 3 and masterful 1

[sick sentinel]

Mastery is our lowest value stat

Because of the amount we get from bastion of might

[still pagoda]

Since it doesn't sxale well now

Baseline

[sick sentinel]

So I would not recommend using masterful

[still pagoda]

And BoM

[brittle owl]

masterful would only make sense

in like

september

[still pagoda]

^

In Legion

[brittle owl]

when you can get enough for 100% mastery outside of avatar

[wheat kiln]

lol ok

[still pagoda]

I'm just running VR3+IT1 for now

Don't have anything else

[brittle owl]

VR yikes

[still pagoda]

1.5 weeks into this char(on 120 ofc. Played on this warrior since Legion start)

TD's will come eventually

[brittle owl]

truf

[urban briar]

does rallying cry generate threat at all?

[brittle owl]

nope

why would it

[sick sentinel]

the healing

[potent anvil]

One day I'll hit 100k overall in a high FH key (this is +23) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599631754911023134/705545483195645983/unknown.png

[still pagoda]

[sick sentinel]

Miles from 100k

[potent anvil]

Just need more td procs

[sick sentinel]

How much of that is Td

[potent anvil]

r5, played formless major for bote

[sick sentinel]

Also where do I buy your hunter

And your dh

[brittle owl]

bote over iris 🤔

[potent anvil]

No one ran iris

[brittle owl]

oof

[potent anvil]

DH was running bote fel barrage + fang

[brittle owl]

makes sense

[sick sentinel]

Crit damage + td tho

Mmmmmmmm

These are the large brain plays I like to see

[brittle owl]

on a 23 i'd value haste for more consistent td tbh

[urban briar]

how do u tell how much threat a dps has on a mob like right now its green if im tanking yellow if im losing threat and red if ive lost it but how can i tell in between have threat to losing threat?

i just dont wanna lose a dps to threat when im kiting again

[red dock]

What minors for raiding usually? Using crucible major

Lucid, CnS, Vision?

[sick sentinel]

CnS/Vision/null barrier for raid

[red dock]

ty

[daring bay]

12% haste or another rank in TD hmmmm

[sick sentinel]

td

[potent anvil]

Man, got a dc on 2nd boss shrine+24 and just called it. But my overall was pumping up until that point 💪 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599631754911023134/705573686584803358/unknown.png

[surreal elm]

Hey guys. So im thinking of tryin a 5mask, but i dont think i will be able to. 4 mask is cake, but i spend over 50% of my sanity on last boss. It just takes me soooo long to grind her down.

[distant crystal]

prot lootspec trinkets are so inconsistent

segment = dps only, fangs = sure tanks just channel this poison nbd

[sharp night]

5 mask isn't much more than 4 mask if you're only worried about the last boss

make sure you're using ST essence/trinkets for it though, helps a lot

[distant crystal]

unbridled pot + drums

if you're not already

and you can sit around waiting for an add spawn prepull

kill it to proc gift, drop orb, go ham

[surreal elm]

Last boss is nly issue ye. But sicne im spending more than 50% of my sanity, i wont have enough to kill. Or i guess teh procc will recover me

I dont really tank raids, only m+.

[distant crystal]

i do visions as fury tho cause my prot gear is doodoo corruption

[surreal elm]

Been running VoP maj, Lucis, aegis and warden

[distant crystal]

but i have done it as a bear

[surreal elm]

My highest 2hander is 400ilvl

[distant crystal]

cruci major

and cns null warden minors prob better

or i guess vop minor

[surreal elm]

I totally forgot about the 0 sanity procc to save my life though. I can use that i guess if im too low on dps.

[copper lion]

anyone have a mouseover focus macro

or how to make one

i go tit

got it

/focus [target=mouseover, exists]

[rough quartz]

where can i find non raid bis gear? like mythic dungeon gear.

[left hatch]

ilvl>haste>crit

[rough quartz]

specific items dont matter?

[left hatch]

given how corruptions and lucking into 475 from dungeons and stuff work

not really

[copper lion]

is leech good?

this warrior has leech on almost every peice

[left hatch]

its fine, but its not good if you're dropping ilvl or wasting corruption budget on it

[karmic flame]

does anyone have a log where they have spell reflected thing from beyond? id just like to see how it's shown on WCL

[sick sentinel]

guys in waycrest, if we get upper right we have to go upstairs to reach sisters right? and if we get bottom left then always same level right?

i mean bottom right :

😄 sry

[mortal brook]

you'd have to go all the way around to sisters for bot or upper right

they both lead to pig room hallway

[sick sentinel]

yea but there is sometimes door open to sisters, and sometimes you have to go up the stairs to reach her

thats because bottom and upper right right?

[mortal brook]

should always be upstairs from those two yes

after middle boss

[sick sentinel]

always?

but sometimes the door is open

on same level

[mortal brook]

iirc that door only opens if you've pulled sisters and wiped or killed em

same for pig room doors

[sharp night]

yeah door is open by default if bottom right

don't need to go upstairs

[sick sentinel]

´ty

[mortal brook]

oh neat

[sick sentinel]

@potent anvil

[potent anvil]

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel are you streaming mate?

[sick sentinel]

no I don't stream why

[dim blaze]

Is stat weight in icy veins still correct? I see a lot of vers stacking

M+ focus for me - about 18-20s

[sick sentinel]

which rank 3 essence do i buy first

have access to all of them

[left hatch]

CnS

[sick sentinel]

what pvp talent does it teach

[left hatch]

you use it for the minor

[sick sentinel]

thats kinda boring

want one for major

[left hatch]

its a waste to buy your major

you can get VoP really easily

[sick sentinel]

aint doing mechagon on alts

[left hatch]

where CnS and lucid are a pain and time gated

[daring marlin]

@potent anvil

[chrome palm]

hey i had a key fall apart over a KUJO fight, and was hoping someone could look at the VOD of this guy who streamed it and tell me if he's right.

basically he is saying I put the boss "too close to the box"

and he died bc he didnt LOS

[daring marlin]

LINK IT

[chrome palm]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/607550784

fight at 2:29:10

i'm the tank

he's the druid

you cant hear my comms

[left hatch]

if you want a 0 outside effort you'll wanna buy VoP->CnS->Lucid->Sphere->Str of the Warden->Formless Void->Aegis->null

[chrome palm]

but I'm telling him to spread out in a vertical line bc of quaking

and you stil remain LOS

[left hatch]

in order of how useful they are in the majority of situations

[sick sentinel]

alright

vop it is

[daring marlin]

druid's trash

[chrome palm]

ok he def died bc it's his fault IMO

i cant save him there

the boss positioning was fine

[daring marlin]

in his defense

clearly his brain was lagging

L O L

[chrome palm]

i watch him just stand out of LOS and die

and then blame tank

[daring marlin]

yeah he's a derpy man

I almost feel bad for him

[chrome palm]

yeah idk what he's trying to say

"dont want to put him inside the bomb like that. I can't touch him"

[tame garden]

the box los isnt infinite just fyi, get far enough away and youll start getting hit by the flames

awful boss on quaking

but boss positioning was 100% fine

[grand drum]

does safeguard only work within a certain radius of the ally?

[sick sentinel]

nope

[ornate magnet]

do i need to have dps loot spec to get any of the offensive corruption like TD from the weekly chest? been so unlucky with my corruptions 😭

[warm plinth]

No, corruptions don't care a single bit about your loot spec.

[rigid sinew]

is a 2nd DC worth over a callous reprisal

only tank m+ at this point

[fair brook]

Quick question all. Our raid had a pretty great BoE drop and we're on a small pop server. We're exploring options of selling off server to use the gold to help the whole guild.

I was in the Limit BoE channel at the start of 8.3, but it looks like they aren't buying. Is there another place/discord that is active for selling BoE's?

[sick sentinel]

What’s the boe

[fair brook]

Shield of win

lol

[sick sentinel]

Of win

Wut

[fair brook]

Dis

[sick sentinel]

Oh that ain’t bad

Gimme

For free

[fair brook]

One sold a few days ago for 10m

[sick sentinel]

Shit I wouldn’t pay that much lmao

[fair brook]

Ya, very specific audience, hence why I'm asking around

[polar raft]

Wrathion weapon is pretty bad right? Think its worth if i have no TDs yet?

[sick sentinel]

Not bad, worth if you have the corruption budget

[polar raft]

Good enough to drop a Racing Pulse or haste %s though?

guess i could sim, nvm 😄

[sick sentinel]

There you go

[tame garden]

Who paying 10m for boes

14 weeks into the tier

[warm plinth]

How do you know that one sold for 10 mil, more importantly? All of the trend tracking sites/addons are only looking at the fact that it's a 475 BoE raid shield, not that it's specifically corrupted with Expedient III

[fair brook]

Cant tell corruptions as far as I know (if you know how, please tell me 😄 ) just ilvl and socket

[sick sentinel]

Prob GW or TD selling that high

[compact dock]

if you want to boost visions, is it good to do it as prot?

[floral vortex]

there's a 475 expedient 2 shield for 900k in the US so I doubt it's worth that much more

[compact dock]

5 mask

[maiden ravine]

not really

cause if you group with a dps it'll be more than twice the hp you currently have to do

maybe if you were tanking with 3 good dps and carrying one person

but yeah, it's hard to boost just 1 and 1

[stark ruin]

If I remember correctly, if you run a vision in a party with a tank, the mobs will start hitting much harder

Might be wrong, but I recall reading it somewhere

And had similar experience too, but didn't test it thoroughly

[real bridge]

Good morning all. Hope all is well. So I’m a new tank learning the class and I’m enjoying it but really struggling against the afix’s. It’s a learning thing and I’m sure I’ll@get there. Was just wondering what shield enhancement’s people use?

[undone sun]

there are no relevant shield enchants, maybe some from old world expacs, but only main hand enchants

[lunar finch]

if youre already low on haste / versa. would you still equip a ring with crit/mastery with socket ? same ilvl

[sick sentinel]

more stats is better

[sharp night]

visions mobs hit 2x as hard with a healer and 3-4x as hard with a tank but have reduced hp

[lunar finch]

alright :3

[maiden ravine]

I know trying to carry on a holy paladin was hell

Even a 1 mask

Hp of mobs goes up so much

[stark ruin]

it's weird how I prefer different specs on different classes in visions- I run prot paladin and warrior, guardian druid, but havoc dh and ww monk. And visions are the only thing I run on dps spec on those

[sharp night]

i just do everything in dps specs cause it feels easier for me

[strong forum]

i prefer tanks cuz you just take 0 dmg

although i must say, having done 1 5mask run as DPS, some parts felt so much easier than as tank

bosses for example

[sick sentinel]

You can just switch to dps for bosses

[strong forum]

dont havet he azerite

for both

[stark ruin]

I just use 460 azerite for havoc

[sick sentinel]

even with 0 azerite and just wearing the ilvl

you do more damage as dps spec

on bosses

[stark ruin]

that's widely available

[strong forum]

ya idk if you can pump 80k+ dps on bosses without proper azerite lmoa

[sick sentinel]

with corruption, gift and just using all your cds

and lust

you can

[stark ruin]

2 good TD procs and you pump that as prot too

[strong forum]

exactly

usually i kill aleria with 100k dps as prot

cuz 1 / 2 td procs

[sick sentinel]

I'm talking last boss

[strong forum]

yes

alleria

thats the last boss

[sick sentinel]

Oh stormwind

[stark ruin]

I realised that you can facetank alleria with prot paladin

also ranged dps as tank

but in general alleria is just boring, franklz

[hallow phoenix]

You face tank her void blast thing?

[strong forum]

visions in general are

[stark ruin]

bubble!

[hallow phoenix]

Must be nice

[strong forum]

i facetank it, cuz it does nothing

[stark ruin]

you can bubble the void

[strong forum]

140 sanity, big whoop

[stark ruin]

I'll try spellwarding next time

[hallow phoenix]

I've never let it hit me

I just always assumed it was massive damage

[stark ruin]

my paladin is badly geared and not maxed the cloak either yet

[strong forum]

nothing hurts as tank

the void thing doesnt even do 200k

[hallow phoenix]

Mfw

That'll save me time

[still pagoda]

the main problem for me is sanity

[royal temple]

hello pro tanks 🙂 im a 465 prot warrior and imhaving trouble surviving m12+ tring to get to 15. is there any tips or anything i could easily be doing wrong. much love xx

[strong forum]

there could be multiple reasons

[still pagoda]

lack of SB uptime, not using CD's properly, not using LS as active mitigation between SB charges, wrong talents and so on

talking of SB. Thanks to the poster

[strong forum]

i wanted to post that too, but i didnt wanna spam him with wall of text insta

^^'

[still pagoda]

xD

i don't have issues surviving +12's and +13's in my 358

[royal temple]

thanks xx

[still pagoda]

probably won't in +14's and higher but pugs don't take me due to small rio

[strong forum]

at 465 you should be able to breeze through 15s with ease, so having troubles in 12s is defo a sign of not pushing your buttons properly

or not doing mechanics correctly / interrupts

theres alot of dmg to be avoided by also playing the dungeon correctly

[still pagoda]

^

[hidden plaza]

after just getting 475 humming would I go with 460 vita or 465 socket rezan?

[amber siren]

vita

[hallow phoenix]

I'd go with Vita because of the buff it gives allies

Logs could tell which gives more stats on average though if you logged a dungeon or raid

[still pagoda]

pugs are fucking pathetic

DPS dying from rune carve in SotS +12

they've never ran into the puddle

[amber siren]

pugs

[still pagoda]

[blissful pebble]

In dungeons I am generally just using as much twilight devastation as possible while staying sub 60. Can I do better or is at as simple as this providing you have the corruption available.

[fleet dome]

hey guys looking for some kind of forum or guide that ranks azerite items for prot spec

[stiff oracle]

#268491842637660160

[strong forum]

It's as simple as that @blissful pebble

[sick sentinel]

i still never got a clear answer about something i asked about for mythic + obelisks, it don't make much sense to me

if i go into (bfa dungeon 1) and then (bfa dungeon 2)
1 if i run AD and lets say the obelisks i come to in order are tank, fear, blob spider, will it be the same order in KR if i did that same rotation (i am somewhat aware of the 2-subboss location swap every 2 weeks thing)
2 i don't understand how you know where exactly to make the kill, or how you know when you are skipping over too many % trash.

[left hatch]

no, obelisk orders are unique to that particular dungeon, so even if you compare linear dungeons like KR and SoB the orders will be different, and thats leaving aside the non-linear 'pick your own route' dungeons like AD

[sick sentinel]

like, i know i can run a 15, but i cannot for the life of me figure this shit out, always hated stealth and trying to cheese things in other games, shit would ALWAYS go wrong, and get caught in bad save or whatever, so i always avoided it

now, i have no choice

[left hatch]

and as far as knowing the skips its just a matter of knowing the dungeon

you can look up a route online with the recommended skips

or pull up a tool like MDT so you plan out your route

[limpid pawn]

Knowing the % is absolutely mandatory on higher level keys where the time is constraint - you will benefit greatly from this

[left hatch]

not sure if your hatred of stealth because of botched cloaks or getting stuck in bad places really applies to obelisks either... since you have complete control about where you come out

[limpid pawn]

Once you do the dungeon enough times, you will know at what point the exact % you need to proceed

[sick sentinel]

like, if you put me in a 9 or below i will 100% timer it unless group is 200% pepega

[limpid pawn]

Good job

It really depends on what your goal is

But, I think aiming for as high of a key as possible makes you a better skilled tank/player for sure

[sick sentinel]

do i always have to tailor make my group too? seems like for example siege u just cannot bring 2+ ranged. rather just 3 melee

[left hatch]

unless yo'ure pushing very very high keys not at all

shrine is the only one that really has a limiting factor, making sure you have at least 3 melee cd interrupts

[still pagoda]

^ or 2 mages or locks on top

[left hatch]

not sure why you'd need a full stack of melee in seige either... since range makes the last boss much easier, and having at least 1 ranged makes the first one safer as well

[still pagoda]

did SotS an hour ago

[sick sentinel]

i stay away from that most times, i don't like the incessant looping disaster music

[still pagoda]

we skipped only one cast while having 1 melee interupt and 2 24sec ones

[left hatch]

turn off music/game sounds nad play your own?

[amber siren]

3 melee makes the last boss of siege very spicy

[still pagoda]

3 melee makes anything spicy tbh

[limpid pawn]

Yeah, I think it is far more important to invite people to the group with higher raider.io score and I level than caring about the class from my experience

[left hatch]

except warlocks

never invite a warlock

[limpid pawn]

Going into 15+ keys i would honestly rather bring like triple feral Druid if they had high io and gear

[sick sentinel]

i look for people with good ilvl and class i need first personally

[left hatch]

at 15's you don't need any class

[limpid pawn]

The io is much more important

[still pagoda]

never invite a warlock

A lot of pugs do

and keys are getting ruined

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/532309555154124800.gif?v=1

[spice lotus]

io is definitely > ilevel

[sick sentinel]

hunters too

[still pagoda]

^^

[sick sentinel]

hunters die like fucking mad

[limpid pawn]

The io ensures, things like dying to avoidable stuff is lessened

[left hatch]

die to what exactly

[still pagoda]

most huntards don't even know mechanics

[sick sentinel]

EVERYTHING

[left hatch]

cause they arn't inherently squishier than any other class

and can cast while moving

[sick sentinel]

anything imaginable, a hunter can die to it

[still pagoda]

anything imaginable, a hunter can die to it

Just like any other class

if the player is retarded and can't dodge

[limpid pawn]

Being selective with io literally is the most important thing you can do

[left hatch]

yah idk, i havn't noticed hunters to be extra stupid compared to other pugs

[sick sentinel]

well, it seems like most hunters are

[still pagoda]

^^

[spice lotus]

do you grab the ones with decent IO?

[still pagoda]

well, it seems like most hunters are

Sorry, but this goes for 95% of pugs on EU/RU landscape of +10-15 keys

i'm in a constant butthurt currently

honestly,

i don't use my own key for that exact reason

[stark ruin]

I guess 10-15 is a very dfferent tier than 15+

[still pagoda]

just continue to reg into pug groups and keep for the run with friends

I guess 10-15 is a very dfferent tier than 15+

5th affix

'pugs'

around 9/10 keys are bricked here

due to people not knowing trivial shit

[stark ruin]

oh, man, right

[still pagoda]

and not being able to outdps the tank

[stark ruin]

I did some 10-12 keys last week

[still pagoda]

i don't have TD's and do as much damage as DPS pugs

[stark ruin]

on alts

[still pagoda]

on most occasions

[stark ruin]

-it was strange -

[spice lotus]

I was gonna ask: Thoughts on rebooting bit bands in mid level keys (14-16s)? Does it work as a play to help your healer do more DPS, does it work as a play when you don't trust your healer as much, or how about grievous weeks? I have access to a similarly level haste bit band, but am wondering if the healing bit band is worth keeping in my bank for niche scenarios.

[left hatch]

its not

the only bits worth any ilvl are the Haste and maybe the nature damage ones

[spice lotus]

is that just because it ends up being thrown into overhealing most of the time?

[left hatch]

its a bad and dangerous mindset to thinkg about hps and 'helping your healer out'

because realistically hps matter very very little to us

our kit is build around proactively not taking the damage, which haste helps

not healing it back up after its happened

[still pagoda]

HPS for warriors doesn't exist

since most of it is absorbs

[left hatch]

and falling into the mindset of 'i gotta help my healer' is gonna incentivize bad play, like.... pumping IP at the cost of SB so it inflates you HPS meter, or running objectively awful traits and talents like Bloodsport and Never Surrender because it makes your meters look better, and in that mindset means you're tankier and helping your healer out

in the case of hte bit bands it isn't about overhealing, its just not a very potent heal

[still pagoda]

^

[left hatch]

it has an ICD of either 10 or 15s

[spice lotus]

15s

[left hatch]

so if its your highest ilvl ring combo sure, go for it

but if not the stats youd be losing out on would have prevented far more damage than you'll heal with ti

[spice lotus]

ok, thanks! I still wanna give it a spin on grievous weeks, but that's some good context.