bloodmallet trinkets is pure dps right?
#protection
fossil sparrow
sick sentinel
ye
fossil sparrow
oh, god 460 wrath and drest trinkets, but had a 445 raden haste one
3trinkets today..how lovely, idk if raden is still worth for haste
combined with the overall dps benefit of the party haste buff
urban briar
what would u guys run for essences on 22+?
brazen jetty
Has nose for trouble been nerfed?
ionic fern
@urban briar generally the same essences as for other keys. Depending on the dungeon/pull/comp you can also use AuG/Lucid as majors instead of VoP.
@brazen jetty not that i know of..why?
urban briar
what dungeons would u use AuG on as a major?
ionic fern
Me personally? Non on a 22 level. I know that some other people like to have it as a extra defensive in higher keys.
left hatch
any dungeon you need the defensive in order to survive and know specifically what things you need it to counter
using it as an 'oh shit' button is a waste
urban briar
would u use lucid major? what minors would u put with it?
brazen jetty
Ye nose for trouble has been stealth nerfed from like 5% to lik 2-3% rip vulpera
left hatch
and i wouldn't use lucid major in 22's anyway
ionic fern
I'd use Lucid in some dungeons that will allow for big pulls,especially with other classes that have 2m cd's.
left hatch
you need to have a very coordinated group making massive pulls every 2m for it to be worth
and absolutely need 40s of avatar + IP spam to live
urban briar
and only ever switch out Cns for null for the magic?
left hatch
CnS for null? never
left hatch
I rarely run aegis
rocky linden
Hmm, is it worth running anima for TD? 🙂
left hatch
its annoying to constantly be in combat with 6+ things
urban briar
so what would the play be for sumthing like atal this week?
left hatch
VoP, CnS, Lucid, Str
urban briar
cause its not massive
rocky linden
Okay, II like seeing those big numbers tho
left hatch
your big numbers arn't really made any bigger
by the trivial amount of health anima adds
whereas things like sphere make it proc more often
rocky linden
Wait what?
left hatch
TD procs are increased by haste
theres a sizeable rng component but its still a hasted rppm
rocky linden
I'm gonna need more haste then!
left hatch
@urban briar the only dugneons really worth considering Null are ToS, WS, WCM and Shrine
or ML if your group is hearthing out on last2 bossesto swap to ST shit
urban briar
and u still stay under 40 corruption right?
left hatch
nope, 59 is my limit
urban briar
how do u deal with the eyes?
left hatch
but thats exclusively a comfort level with your own reaction time and your healer
you move out of them
or if thats not doable just chill in it
rocky linden
I consider them a healer mechanic :p
ionic fern
Spell reflect. 👀
left hatch
that too
urban briar
yea can spell reflect thing from beyond but the eyes truck
left hatch
you can SR the eyes too
urban briar
do you run anything special gear wise when going for 59? like versa/leech or sumthing
left hatch
you can pop it and all but the first or last cast is deflected
leech?
lmfao
you never waste corruption on leech
more TD/GW
ig stat procs if you dont have more good damage corruptions
verse% is kinda inting for 22's given 1. you dont need it so its completely wasteful and 2. its not a worthwhile corruption until you stack multiples of it and have the verse proc as well
one by itself is a very trivial gain
rocky linden
You'd be surprised at what you run when your loot karma is as bad as mine
left hatch
yeh obv this is best case scenario
you take what you can get, in which case guideline is Dmg>stat proc>stat%
rocky linden
Proc over %? How come? I got the impression for most classes it was opposite?
left hatch
the stat budget is better unless you're boosting existing procs
i think mastery is the exception in our case cause of BoM
rocky linden
Okay guess that also explains why mage wants straight mastery - can't deal with RNG when they need it to line up with combustion
left hatch
yeh like BM hunter wants %crit cause they already have a fuckload of it, a maintainable buff that gives more of it, and a cd that gives it
rocky linden
Yeah like I said, my karma isnt great
left hatch
i had to cleanse a TD 2 of my hunter yesterday cause i already have Sever6
it was... kinda soulcrushing
willow kestrel
what is the most popular 3 minors ppl run in M+?
willow kestrel
str?
left hatch
str of hte warden
rocky linden
I've been running aegis instead of str, I figured str was just for people who needed the extra corruption resistance
left hatch
it is
rocky linden
Well okay then
willow kestrel
ah
rocky linden
going back to aegis
left hatch
but aegis<sphere unless yo'ure constantly in combat with 6+ targets
rocky linden
or sphejre
left hatch
which the last 2 weeks was unlikely at best
and this one eh
some bosses would be a bitch with sanguine
generally if yo'ure not pulling packs into bosses aegis isn't the play
rocky linden
So what should be my third this week? Sphere?
vocal skiff
So folks, I was tanking rezan right now, and he killed me with serrated teeth on a 15
I had already used shield wall
Do I have another counterplay or is the healer to blame
left hatch
coordinate with your healer, bleeds bipass armor
so yo'ull need to cycle your own defesives and their externals
vocal skiff
Yeah, I assumed as much, but didn't think he could do that in a 15 fortified
left hatch
worst case you can use LS for the health buff
ionic fern
Keep SB up as well.
left hatch
or sit on DS for a bit
vocal skiff
I had SB up, yeah
left hatch
health pots too
rocky linden
SB?
vocal skiff
block
ionic fern
In general it will come down to cd management as Morrison said. Druids can have Bark for every other one so you can rotate sw/ls/ds for your ones.
vocal skiff
I had a monk healer
On a more positive note, I finally got a rezan at 465. Now I have block, vial and rezan's. Which ones would you use in m+?
Vial and block at 460
rocky linden
I'm stuck with vial and hummer
ionic fern
Block+rezan is a solid combo so i'd go with that.
urban briar
would u run booming voice instead of devistator?
devastator*
in the high mythic + i mean
limpid pawn
yes always
left hatch
you should be doing that in every M+
deva is a huge loss in any aoe and in survivability
fossil sparrow
what about raids? I mean I forgot to change from it earlier and..felt no different to normal
inner onyx
best dungeon 1hander?
fossil sparrow
AD?
left hatch
in raid Deva is mostly better
better st dps
but you do lose survivability via rage gen
strong forum
BV should always be run in m+
fossil sparrow
was running m0s earlier, didnt know I was tanking til raid so
forgot to change it lo
left hatch
its just not nocitable in raid cause raid is trivial af
urban briar
i just never know when to press devestate
strong forum
It's a filler
left hatch
when SS and TC are on CD
strong forum
Aka when nothing is ready
urban briar
just feels like i sit there not pressing
fossil sparrow
when you..have nothing else to press
which could be all the time
or none of the time
left hatch
so anytime you had an empty GCD while running the talent
thats when you hit devastate not
ez pz
fossil sparrow
like, it feels like shit to use
left hatch
imo feels better than having empty GCDs
and when i do run deva i end up muscle memory hitting my deva bind anyway
fossil sparrow
I guess, the talent feels like it has emptier downtimes if your procs aren't ..proccing
but other than that
left hatch
but yeh how it feels aside
limpid pawn
if you have enough haste, in raid, devasstator will let you spam shield slam a LOT
left hatch
Devastator is a massive loss in aoe
limpid pawn
you shouldn't really be having much empty gcds
fossil sparrow
I can't seem to get haste on anything, atall
half the reason I'm thinking of keeping using my normal raden haste trink over a hc one
strong forum
Just use 2 haste trinkets
left hatch
drest is a meh trinket
strong forum
That's rippy
fossil sparrow
idk, really liking it
left hatch
id run heroic vita over it any day
it has a damage split so
more targets makes it worse and worse
fossil sparrow
now that I think about it, didnt roll raden today
..wait..more enemies makes drest trink worse?
left hatch
yes
fossil sparrow
..how?
left hatch
it has the BFA damage split
left hatch
no
does 100 damage if its against 1 target
does 50 damage o each target if you hit 2
etc
left hatch
theres some that don't even list the split
i think EV still doesn't note that its a split either
left hatch
Big Red Button is another that seems great on paper
but is a damage split that makes it gross
fossil sparrow
button atleast says split in the tooltip
drest implies it's just a flat 117k to each target
strong forum
With 117k each it would be the best aoe trinket in the game
But it's actually only good for pvp
fossil sparrow
atleast drest+wheel trinket will be good for pvp..shared cds but..still good
I guess
strong forum
Ye
exotic spoke
Ayyyyyy Grats Nome
worthy linden
is it worth going over 39 for ineffable truth?
left hatch
ehhh
is it worth going over 39 in general yes, as long as yo'ure comfortable with dealing with TFB
for IT though
eh
its on the weaker end
worthy linden
generally i’ve been liking staying at 39, plus my corruptions haven’t been strong enough imo to go over it
i’ll think about it more tomorrow and see what other pieces i have in my bags
formal meadow
which one?
left hatch
visions drop guaranteed corruption
formal meadow
drops i mean
left hatch
easy 470 loot
formal meadow
unlucky with those
fossil sparrow
470? I can't 5mask for shit
formal meadow
sooo which one is better? with or without corruption
fossil sparrow
might squeeze out 70k after panda land stuff, an entire 2 ranks from 10-12..great
well..with
sick sentinel
It does not take 7 runs to rank from 10-12 wut
fossil sparrow
8pages, 10-11, that's 4runs by itself
left hatch
thats 2 runs
sharp night
you get 4 pages per run for anything under 13
fossil sparrow
??? only certain areas drop them right?
sharp night
if you do the full clear
fossil sparrow
there's 2 areas
sick sentinel
There’s 4
left hatch
all 4 of the bonus areas drop that page
sharp night
it's only the 13-15 cloak levels that require the difficult zones so you only get 2 per run
sick sentinel
Imo they’re not really harder
sharp night
it just takes practice
left hatch
if my 430 BM hunter can full clear with rank 7 and only elite extermination
you can do it (:
sick sentinel
With masks sure but not by themselves
fossil sparrow
ok..so I pull too small or what if I run out of sanity
mental anchor
Lol go fury or arms if you’re having trouble because of lack of research but when you have maxed researched prot is so simple
sharp lotus
Do you guys use CaS as major essence for 5 mask?
left hatch
yes
fossil sparrow
i'm doing prot visions BECAUSE of lack of research
left hatch
if you mean CoF*
fossil sparrow
like 25% reduced health or something idk
sharp night
it's reduced health but you take 3-4x more damage
so it's actually easier on dps if you aren't well geared
sick sentinel
Just play what’s comfortable
fossil sparrow
define well geared
sick sentinel
If your fury or arms sucks you’re gonna have a bad time there as wel
fossil sparrow
I have fuck all haste
for any spec
I barely break 20%
so all 3 suck ass to play
left hatch
pick up a WA that tells you what the sanity potion is
mental anchor
This late in the xpac 470+ is geared
left hatch
thats a free 200ish sanity per zone
sharp night
that should be fine to do in any spec
left hatch
yeh thats 5-mask is easy territory
mental anchor
That’s horrible I run 40% haste and I have no Expeditent corruption
sick sentinel
What is expedient kekw
left hatch
i only speak in TD
sick sentinel
I only know of my friends twilight and devastation
mental anchor
Expedient sorry mom
left hatch
arms is the harder spec to get rolling
fossil sparrow
if dps is easier than tank
still pagoda
I really want higher cloak already
fossil sparrow
could fury, still have weapons I guess
sick sentinel
Dps easier than tank In all content don’t @ me
mental anchor
@sick sentinel
sharp night
lol
left hatch
but yah the only research you need to full clear is Elite extermination
sick sentinel
Speaking of elite extermination
sick sentinel
Once i have it how much will a 5 mask carry cost me
Crankdaddy the vdh requires his loot
fossil sparrow
the war district fucked me the first few times..mostly because I'm a potato at interrupting
the stun
sick sentinel
I’ll pay 2 mil as long as I get to actively work against you
Call it challenge mode
mental anchor
6 mask*
still pagoda
sick sentinel
If there isn’t you don’t play wow
still pagoda
theres a lot of drunk runs
A lot of late night sleepyruns in our case
sharp lotus
i wasted 12 runs one night, i was pissed when i woke up
still pagoda
Old friends and a bottle of pills
sharp lotus
i was acting lame in here too during it
left hatch
i think visions is the only time iv smacked my desk in frustration in.. years
the last time being chain CCd to death by bwemba (:
cause fuck dat bich
cyan oar
Is the shield from junkyard any good?
left hatch
if its your highest ilvl sure
sick sentinel
Worse than others at equal ilvl
left hatch
^
cyan oar
Ah fair
still pagoda
i think visions is the only time iv smacked my desk in frustration in.. years
@left hatch
Prot warrior mage tower in first weeks afger its release
left hatch
i only played bear at that point in legion
cruised through mage tower with LnC and thrash pants
ez mode
limpid pawn
bear mage tower with chest legendary is the biggest joke i've ever seen
1 try and I got it
still pagoda
To say the least... It was a total pain without bracers
limpid pawn
then on the warrior (at the undergeared ilevel i had) was like 100+ tries
then when ilevel went up by like 20-25 later on, I got it in like 5 tries on my wife's prot war
sharp lotus
couldnt you skip first phase as a druid by stealthing?
left hatch
tank mage tower was just a dps race
so it really screwed over the ppl with the mentality of "i dont care about tank dps ):< only def"
they fixed despawning the miniboss pretty early on
then the glitch was pushing him so he didn't put down the aoe circle
sharp lotus
The worst part about mage tower for me was that I wouldn't always be able to get on to do attempts in the window.
olive lotus
I think I know the answer to this, but want to confirm. Would I choose the 475 mechagon weapon (with no secondary stats) over a 465 other one hander with stats?
left hatch
in st 100% yes
limpid pawn
no you coudln't skip 1st as a stelath druid i think
left hatch
in aoe... most likely but id sim to double check
limpid pawn
but with the legendary, you could be completely out of the puddle in the middle and still melee the boss
letting you skip the mechanic entirely
left hatch
the one they left in for awhile was some opener that stopped him from putting down that circle
so you could sit on him and dps w/o the chest
limpid pawn
i would say as a warrior, that fight really resembled shadow of zuul
learning how to do the mage tower properly helped me squeeze out as much dps/survivability as possible against a hard hitting magic caster
pliant rock
ok so don't burn me at the stake but I am currently consuming all the different "mainstream" resources of the internet to try to figure out my prot warrior after coming back since legion is devastator really the go to over booming voice for 8.3?
warm plinth
No
Devastator is better for damage in single target. BV is better for everything else.
pliant rock
Reading some statistics charts on wowhead that says the top talent for every fight is devastator guessing that is just false info then. (Also I know wowhead)
quiet crane
For every fight definitely not dps wise it’s only good on the pure ST ones like shadhar maut skit etc ones with 1 and I frequent spawns or purely patchwork
BV will do you net you more overall dps on the other fights and is definitely the go to in my opinion defensively for them
sick sentinel
It’s not opinion. Defensively it is 100% the go to. Devastator should only be used for ST parsing
stiff gate
for keys in the 19-21 range, 475 merektha's, 460 vita, 465 rezan's, 445 bloodthirsty urchin, 460 torment, which two would you play this week?
mortal brook
Fang Vita
stiff gate
that's what i was leaning towards
is torment damage reduced for tank specs? it feels pretty underwhelming every time i use it
mortal brook
the rampup is pretty severe. should be the same dmg tho
stiff gate
okay
cinder fjord
Hey guys - Is there anyone with some time / interest that'd be willing to look at some prot logs for myself after our first week of mythic? Or should I just repost to the log-review channel?
chilly brook
@left hatch good it should have screwed those people over tbh
grand drum
Lingering psychich shell vs sigil of warding? which one is better?
grand drum
ok, I was just wondering. my co-tank was begging me for it on his pally
lapis tapir
is that small absorb and nature damage going to add up in dungeon?
lapis tapir
when i trial it ill post my details. im kind of curious
left hatch
i mean... you don't have to post anything
its been a long established thing that the effect is worthless
it absorbs part of an auto attack once a minute
and since the damage only persists when the shield is active the nature damage is only going to happen once per
giving you a wopping 100 dps
vs ~1% of a stat you're giving up in its place
brittle owl
and the armor
deft pagoda
How much mastery is considered too much?
left hatch
yeh thats a bit of a weird question
because of BoM you don't really seek out mastery
if you have a bunch of it when you equipping hte highest ilvl though its not the end of hte world
strong forum
2k @deft pagoda
Cuz that's when ( if you have 3x bom) you will reach 100% mastery during avatar
But to get to that point you will sacrifice too much of other stats, so technically you shouldn't ever reach that place without actually targeting it
distant crystal
i got masterful from cache this week
i have exactly 1 rank of td in prot set, and it's same slot as crit/haste/leech/socket 470 gw piece
deft pagoda
@strong forum Ahh I have 42.31% but every item is an upgrade
maiden ravine
it's insane how much armor DHs have in meta
brittle owl
couple that with the highest self healing in the game
and you get immortal gods that crit TD for 5 mil on pyschus
strong forum
🤔
I have to check next time when I play my vdh
Never checked armor during meta
All I know is you're an immortal God that nobody can touch
procs Meta
HP doesn't move in the big pull infront of Priest in AD
checks healing meter
130k hps
brittle owl
that's not even half of it
brew cotank complains about 2-3 mindwrack stacks on psychus
i take 4 on vdh and only take beacon healing and /shrug
strong forum
:comfy:
still pagoda
brew cotank complains about 2-3 mindwrack stacks on psychus
This shouldn't really be a problem on BrM
still pagoda
Heh
brittle owl
thott harversters are a breeze to manage
carmine wadi
yeeeh finally i got 475 weapon at first boss mythic. socket one nice 
sweet summit
sweet summit
Like equipping a lower ilvl item?
cosmic canyon
Like "dh in meta insane armor"
How does it translate to us?
I mean, assume I just stack armor, iL, essences etc.. Does it ever lose its attraction?
stark ruin
armor is not something you stack this expansion
sweet summit
As long as you take damage that can be reduced by armor, not really. But since corruption is a thing you will give up armor for twilight dev and thats that
stark ruin
it just comes with gear
armor loses relative value the higher you go - i.e. there is a point where although it still improves your DR, but it doesn't really matter any more
sweet summit
Yeah
stark ruin
hence armor cap
and you can hit something like 30k armor as a dh in meta
which is way over the point where it matters
sharp night
yes
armor cap is something like 100k in mythic raid and 80k in m+ so it's not really achievable except bears with IF
stark ruin
I was just running the math, it's extremely high, yes
but you get to a point where diminishing returns make it pratically not relevant anymore
sharp night
well it depends on how you're looking at it
strong forum
Well it kinda gets better the more you have of it, looking at an effective standpoint
sharp night
there's diminishing returns in absolute percentage of reduction
but time-to-live is linear
stark ruin
true
sharp night
every 1000 extra armor grants you a linear increase in time-to-live
no matter whether you're at 1000 armor or 50000
until you hit the cap
stark ruin
I stand corrected, I will now go back to work I guess 🙂
shadow wind
so how does a group deal with a barreling through, quaking, and totems overlap on 3rd boss of KR?
sharp night
as long as the explody totem is dead you should be fine
just make a line
positioning can be tricky if people aren't on top of things though
alternatively if the target of charge has an immunity that's probably a good time to use it
or 100% dodge ability
shadow wind
just tried a 21 kr earlier and the overlap absolutely destroyed us
my team has a dh and pally, and thats all the immunities we have
sharp night
the other 3 totems basically do nothing so and it should be dead asap, there's probably a short window where it could potentially overlap so that the totem spawns exactly at the same time as charge
and that's just bad luck
but with a pally they can bop the charge target
and you guys just ignore that
shadow wind
we tend to burn the bop on severing axe
sharp night
have your dh practice dodging it
shadow wind
hes able to dodge it, but the rest of the people cant
shadow wind
wait its interceptable?
sharp night
yes
boss turns towards a player
starts casting it
targets at the end
but it hits the first target in the path
it's also avoidable entirely
shadow wind
like when hes alive, we all soak it together
sharp night
by sidestepping right as the cast finishes
shadow wind
but its interceptable when hes ghost form?
shadow wind
ohhhh
sharp night
if your dh is good you don't need to use anything on severing
cause they can intercept/dodge every single one
sharp night
definitely takes some practice but you can see it coming, gotta zoom in a bit to see where boss is facing right after the second whirling axes
and then blade dance as the cast finishes
daring bay
is there no list of best defensive corruptions?
brittle owl
twilight devastation
carmine wadi
yeah just use TD and be hyped xD
twilit oar
Can someone help my alt warrior out, when you pull big what defensives are u using, whats the go to rotation for doing damage yet also using defensives, Im using shield block etc, but when should i be using ignore pain when I drop health or before? any tips appreciate
sweet summit
Use IP to spend rage
twilit oar
but then i feel like i dont have enough for block and that my IP is getting shredded
sweet summit
Use SW before you take heavy damage
Demo shout and avatar on cooldown
Dont look too much at ignore pain
twilit oar
yeah I jus feel like I take so much damage
sweet summit
Its just to smooth damage and dump rage into
twilit oar
any trinkets from dungeons
I should chase for
I hear nzoth one is pretty op rn
but thats from raid and cba for any raid trinkets
sweet summit
Vita+rezan/block/scale
twilit oar
just want dungeon ones for now
sweet summit
Blue eye
twilit oar
stre main stat / proc haste
twilit oar
ah shit so its still good then
damn
rn im using marakthas 440 +10 form last season
and the bandage
absorb
but i dont like having 2 active trinkets, ill try farm some ad for that rezan trink
smoky wave
Block being the one from Raal?
smoky wave
cool, thought so, ta
sweet summit
Ye its good
twilit oar
if this wasnt my alt id be doing nzoth heroic
that trinket looks insane
80% i think dmg reduc and 236k absorb
twilit oar
i mean im prob gonna keep marakthas
that trinket is doing disgusting numbersa
on aoe
sweet summit
Its good damage
twilit oar
yh its insane the dot alone did 1m on a pack of 6
sweet summit
But you can not block/parry/dodge when channeling it
twilit oar
yeah
sweet summit
So be careful
twilit oar
thats the issue
i usually shield block
stun
use it
jus to be safe
shockwave stun is so low tho
was that nerfed?
sweet summit
Well first you stun mobs for 2 sec, then you channel trinket. Thats like 3-4 seconds of block wasted
fiery vapor
Thoughts on the Maut trinket?
twilit oar
its more of so I dont get fucked while channeling it
so i have a 1 second delay to get hit after block expires
sweet summit
Maut trink is shit
still pagoda
maut trink is a meme
in normal clear i did with our guild yesterday, no one wanted it
sweet summit
Idk, i would just shockwave->walk 2 steps back->fang
It also scales with haste
So thats cool
twilit oar
how much haste is reasonable
im at work rn so i cant check but ill see when i get back
sweet summit
As much as you have after equipping your highest ilvl gear
twilit oar
yh i replaced a 465 with another 465 but haste/vers so that was nice
from shrine
so there is that...
brittle owl
@still pagoda it's decent in pvp vs boomies shadowpriests and uhdk 😄
still pagoda
orchid frigate
why is Disc of Indomitable Will considered best shield from m+ and not G0-4W4Y Crowd Repeller?
sweet summit
At equal ilvl the ML shield is better because of the stats
sweet summit
We want haste>crit for m+
sweet summit
Wowhead is written by someone thsts not mwahi
orchid frigate
ah
orchid frigate
too bad its disc i have versatile I on tho :/
sweet summit
Versatile 1 isnt twilight dev tho 👀
sweet summit
Youre not gonna feel a difference, so if you can fit versatile 1 into your corruption budget its better than nothing
sick sentinel
Hello people, im on a trouble here. With my nyalotha stats dude. Should i keep stacking infinite haste or cap it fast to reach some versatility
im no 39 % aprox
sweet summit
Nah, vers stacking isnt needed before like 24s
sweet summit
Haste owns
sick sentinel
Always haste?
orchid frigate
thanks @sweet summit
sweet summit
You can sim for dps
orchid frigate
another question since were discussing gear
sweet summit
Its not even needed in 24s btw
orchid frigate
mythich humming or hc vita?
orchid frigate
its that good?
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Very
sweet summit
Very good
orchid frigate
alright
sick sentinel
cause
orchid frigate
will put a hole in it
sweet summit
But
sick sentinel
u get a lot of haste for u and your buddys
sweet summit
Why not both 👀
sick sentinel
nah nah
orchid frigate
but my nozzie trinky? 😦
sick sentinel
I think warr prot at nyalotha need some magic resist
sweet summit
Nah mate
sick sentinel
Mauts trinket work kind of great
sweet summit
Vita+rezan gang
orchid frigate
oh
sweet summit
Maut is shit btw
sick sentinel
rezan?
orchid frigate
isnt the CD a bit long on maut?
orchid frigate
sweet
sick sentinel
how much haste ur caping, ow?
sick sentinel
What do you guys think about mastery or c rit
sweet summit
Crit is solid for dps, we get a lot of mastery from BoM so its not as great
Crit is also very solid defensively in m+, free parry
sick sentinel
And
What about nzoth trinbket, reducing that 80% of the dmg plus corrpution resist at nyalotha
that sounds quite nice bruv
sweet summit
Its good if you need a defensive trinket, protozor
If you dont, its a wasted dps trinket
sick sentinel
Ye dude
sweet summit
Parsing this tier no matter what you play is rng, toxic
mild ore
no but i'd think most parses would be with infinite stars
but it's fucking twillight dev
that's what i meant
sweet summit
Good rng=lucky procs
IS isnt that great on a lot of bosses
Tdev is good on ST and amazing in aoe(if it procs)
orchid frigate
i often gets weirdly amount of TD procs on trash before skitra
smoky wave
I often get not-TD on any of my gear 😒
sweet summit
orchid frigate
same on my bear
sweet summit
🐻
smoky wave
I read that as "same on my beer". Make of that what you will.
orchid frigate
🍻
strong forum
Fitting with the avatar
orchid frigate
cheerio
tame garden
🍺 🐻 👍
rocky linden
Would a 405 haste/185 crit ring be considered better than 229 haste/361 versa? I need to get rid of one of them for TD. Or is the difference between them meaningless?
sweet summit
More haste
cerulean tusk
Haste means more procs, means more damage in general. You can keep versa for PvP offspec though ❤️
rocky linden
Makes sense. I guess I'm not doing the keys where versa is all that needed anyway
smoky wave
This might seem odd, but what food do people use just to eat? Everything I've got barely dents my hp and I wasn't playing at Christmas for the % food
smoky wave
yeah, just food for eating. I've got no mage buddies 😭
amber siren
fish feasts if you can afford it, otherwise just buy the highest food you can from an innkeeper
smoky wave
bah, was hoping there was something better. thanks
sick sentinel
am i wrong if i take a druid to do stealth for dog key event in FH, and then that druid argues that they can't puts them out of stealh just pull it on +10?
yep you are druid stealth isnt like rogue
except feral
like that's what happened, 17 minutes haven't even completed 2nd obelisk, so i leave, and wow discord is calling me a jerk rager etc, like, um that's the entire fucking reason i brought him? and he's fucking my key that way?
i could have sworn i've seen druids do it before, i know for fact rogue
well you do +10 i dont want to be the ass here but if 17 min passed and you guys didnt enter second obelisk there was worse problems there then a dog event
well, 17 minutes was when i left, first boss wasn't anything hard
brisk ferry
Druid can do that event no problem
sick sentinel
we haven't run you through anything in over a month, but can you do this thing for us/
give me a break.....
upper violet
well cant they run it while the others in obelisk and die then u res them ?
thorny tulip
any tanks looking for a quick +7 underrot on ally EU? sorry if i cant advertise for that here!
sick sentinel
still, regardless shit like this is going to be reasons i don't want to come back again
amber siren
why not just find a different guild?
sick sentinel
probably just going to let my sub run out this month not look back
upper violet
Youre malding over one key
sick sentinel
nah i've just had enough
and a 10 is supposed to be easy in 8.3 in a freehold.. easiest dungeon there is, free in the name, on free affix week
rocky linden
Maybe this is a stupid question, but is 3 melee dps just standing on boss with quaking normal these days?
amber siren
@rocky linden no, quaking is still a spread mechanic - it just doesnt do damage if you handle it correctly, no one should be stacking on each other if it can be helped
sick sentinel
no, you are running with stupids, as i was
go complain to wow discord, and they can call you a dick and ban you too
"oh you didn't tell them there was quaking this week, it's your fault" i can see it coming
rocky linden
Ok, just wanted to know if I was just supposed to "suck it up". When the boss is the 4th highest source of damage taken it feels like someone is doing something wrong
rocky linden
Wasn't my key, so I don't care
brittle owl
yikes someone is extremely bitter
upper violet
brittle owl
why would you complain about bad players in a 10 lmao
still pagoda
why would you complain about bad players in a 10 lmao
It is such a common occasion in +10-15 bracket
tame garden
sub 14 keys are the hardest keys
still pagoda
so i don't even care
tame garden
100%
brittle owl
do you also enjoy raging at rain for being wet
upper violet
Lmao
sick sentinel
was wanting to push the key i haven't done 15 key yet
brittle owl
well yeah, you can totally do that while also carrying the key lmao
but that's more on you than the group
¯_(ツ)_/¯
again like
i don't get the complain part
but you do you boo
❤️
sick sentinel
okay, well what don't you get about it?
sweet summit
You can always find something to complain about no matter what key/key level you do
sick sentinel
yeah, big time
sweet summit
And 455 is high enough for a 14
Gear usually isnt why you dont time/complete keys
So how did people do 15s first week of s4?
tame garden
hacks
brittle owl
430 ish
ilvl
15s in time
ez
sounds like a case of
people triharding the wrong aspects of the game
for nonexistant gains
instead of actually l2p
sweet summit
And yet he offered a 14, but you declined
Did he have the key?
So you had the option to do 14s/15s
With the guild
prisma onyx
I have a question about Block...I don't know exactly how block is calculated so bare with me...my block is 60% dmg reduction so that would make my critical block reduce over 100% of the dmg (which would cap at 100% I'm sure) would that 100% reduction negate the attack? So for example if this week were necrotic would a critical block negate a stack or would the stack still apply?
sweet summit
Only parry/dodge negates the application
Block just reduces the damage you take
A crit block is not 100% DR
sweet summit
Then ask them for help
It sounds to me that you just want to be carried through all 15s
still pagoda
^ not possible if you're a tank
sweet summit
Oh it is
still pagoda
and also somewhat pitiful
prisma onyx
Best advice I can give is look up some youtube vids on the awakened Affix and check out Dratnos' routes. Every week I copy the mdt strings and alter them accordingly to my comp
marble cipher
Or learn to do the keys?
still pagoda
better learn
tame garden
Theres rly not much to learn with this affix. You go in and fight a miniboss. Same 4 minibosses every key
prisma onyx
Don't give up man! Might look daunting now but progress is progress. Eventually you'll learn them
marble cipher
It takes a bit of investment to be a decent tank for keys (routes, interrupts, knowing team mate cd's, etc...)
But jut by doing a slightly ok route, that's fine enough to start.
prisma onyx
I came back to wow at the end of 8.2 with absolutely no knowledge of the dungeons and after a month of tanking We're laughing through 18s no problem
You have the benefit of being a prot warr
still pagoda
It takes a bit of investment to be a decent tank for keys (routes, interrupts, knowing team mate cd's, etc...)
But jut by doing a slightly ok route, that's fine enough to start.
^ this
upper violet
if someone in ur guild knows the key u can just be on discord and they tell u what to pull and where to walk its not so hard
prisma onyx
Know your CDs and you'll be fine
sick sentinel
you have a stronger will than i do i guess
untold saddle
Idk what will is needed to do 15 keys
sick sentinel
they don't usually get on till like 1-4 am on discord but i can ask them to help learn if they are willing
marble cipher
Hey, I call interrupts and stuns for my group all the time, and still they sometimes fight for an interrupt and all go on cd at the same time.
It's all good, in the end of the day, it's just a game 🤷
upper violet
true !
sick sentinel
99% what he will say though is "if its not a 14 or 15+ key not interested"
untold saddle
Just pug em dude
marble cipher
That's fine, as long as you don't have a 400 weapon, you'll hold threat
marble cipher
Well, I wouldn't want to go into those with 400 weapon and shield tbf
tame garden
spicy keys with trap alts are the best tho
marble cipher
Though that will learn you to use your cd's, a lot 😂
sick sentinel
oh well, maybe shadowlands will be better
untold saddle
I don't really know what's wrong with keys rn. My dk was 460 and r9 back when I started playing again 1 weeks and half ago and it is already with Keystone Master
Made 100% by pugging
brittle owl
keys are extremely chill this season
marble cipher
There's only a few that I tend to ignore when pugging, but it's mostly because I'm not overly confident with routes there.
And tbf, me running them less because of that lack of confidence isn't actually helping me learn the routes better.
So, yeah, it's not a good thing to not run them.
marble cipher
Better to run, learn and maybe fail, than not to run and don't learn anything
sick sentinel
JY has like two set routes for the most part
untold saddle
@brittle owl junkyard is bad also because the mdt map is confusing af if you don't have the dungeon really well in mind
marble cipher
For me it's waycrest and tol Dagor.
WM cause it has different routes depending on the door, TD cause blizz can't code walls 🤷
brisk ferry
JY is by far my favorite dungeon, once you have a route its so easy to pump
hallow belfry
maybe start doing junkyard on keys which count as low for you, maybe look at raider.io routes try to replicate
untold saddle
Yeah but for example I usually do all route myself
smoky wave
whats the best way to learn routes? weekly route and practice?
brittle owl
p much
untold saddle
And junkyard is really confusing to do
brittle owl
practice is the best
marble cipher
I did one JY, had another guy tell me where to go, it's easy as hell with good pathing tbf
brisk ferry
JY also has the ease of adding extra % quickly if you missed a pack
brittle owl
2 months apart
JY is ez cuz shockbots scale with keylevel
it's like OG AD but with trash getting easier as well
nah fam
marble cipher
And cause spell reflect is funny on the oozes 😂
brittle owl
hard disagree
best way to learn is to pug
and fail horribly
and get flamed
then get better
make mistakes often, make em early
sick sentinel
wasn't really good last season but i was at 1250-1300 io last season
brittle owl
sounds like you have some mistakes to do yet
sick sentinel
did some 13's everything on a 10 season 3
untold saddle
@sick sentinel dude guild mates are good only if you care about some people that might flame you
Otherwise pug is pretty fine if you don't get bothered by the occasional idiot that will flame over nothing
sick sentinel
already dealt with flamers, random flamer don't bother me
"never tank again" said one
brittle owl
you either bring the big dick energy
or you follow in the shadow of those that do
pick one
brisk ferry
most keys you can just use Dratnos' route on Raider.io
most of em are pretty straight fwd
ebon hound
untold saddle
Ofc if dratnos pull an entire freaking room don't do that if you are not confident
marble cipher
I use those routes mainly for count, and will split pulls if I feel needed, based on my group and cd's
sick sentinel
You’ll never learn to pull big unless you work on it
brittle owl
you'll never learn to pull big unless you die*
marble cipher
And often pulling big is actually easier
untold saddle
btw guys is okay to feel super squishy at 400 ilvl doing 6 keys right?
marble cipher
Embrace the things from Beyond 👌
untold saddle
Gearing my alt war rn ahah
tame garden
yes its normal to feel squishy with bad gear
marble cipher
Just keep an eye on their mana
sick sentinel
try not to take fail damage, it happens though
Is that some kind of squishy shit I’m too tank to understand
untold saddle
Guess the shield is the most important part for damage mitigation at low gear?
marble cipher
Shield for mit, and weapon for threat
Well, Twilight works for threat too, but rng obviously
marble cipher
True
untold saddle
Okay
sick sentinel
Big td is alpha
untold saddle
370.shield from naz opening is all I have got
tame garden
lol noob
sick sentinel
Yeah that’s gonna give you a bad time
untold saddle
:((((
tame garden
untold saddle
Hell no
untold saddle
Better dead than poor
tame garden
cap conquest
marble cipher
And depending on your gold supply, buy higher ilvl or cap conquest
tame garden
is shield an option actually from first cap
sick sentinel
Gold unlimited
upper violet
conq cap is ez even without pvp u can do the supply drops in nazjatar and do the invasion wq they all give conq
brittle owl
just do 2's as arms+some rando healer
upper violet
also u can get the 25 kill quests and run around in a raid grp killing hordes its also very easy and can give decent gear
marble cipher
Those quests don't work in raids iirc
untold saddle
I mean that character dinged 120 yesterday we are just chilling with super un geared alts
upper violet
im pretty sure they do
sick sentinel
screw it try the 9 fh i guess
sick sentinel
also going to be the best for a rogue or other stealthy boi
cuz i ain't going if not
sick sentinel
and the dog
sick sentinel
druid claimed he couldn't do it, that i had to pull all those 4 side groups that almost never get pulled
marble cipher
^
hallow belfry
without he will die on the last pack
untold saddle
I usually did it on stealth as a Druid with resto aff and went smoothly
hallow belfry
last pack is sketchy if you move not perfectly, and feral aff stealth > resto stealth
marble cipher
It's for detection radius in last pack iirc
marble cipher
Good
open nymph
and Vial of animated blood is also good I suppose
strong forum
Vial is great if you wanna pump dmg, defensively it doesn't offer alot
marble cipher
You want to use vial on the first thunderclap after you've done demo in the following order: avatar>clap>demo>vial + clap
strong forum
^
modern brook
Things cant kill you if they're dead
open nymph
True true
modern brook
Twilight Devestator imagine it for a second
all ur auto attacks launch a td and u ge 6 mad because of it
marble cipher
I ended trixie+naeno at 102k dps last week on a 15 (tyran).
Avatar came up last 15% and both we're stacked and I got 5 TD procs almost back to back 😂
smoky wave
😒 been back a month, not one td
sick sentinel
Sorry Late took them all
chilly brook
@smoky wave I've been back about the same time, no TD except for the TD1 I got on my rogue lmao
last mason
chilly brook
That being said I do also have IS 3 with a socket on bracers
smoky wave
Glad it's not just me! I've had the mastery one and the wrathion sword and that's it
worthy linden
https://i.imgur.com/2u8nlOj.png thoughts? mostly do m+
chilly brook
Do you have other options? Is that everything you have equipped?
loud rain
Yea thats an insane amount of corruption for literally 0 output besides TD1
open nymph
I got a TD 3 on my DH and IS 3 on it, sadly only TD 2 and TD 1 on this warr of mine 😦
south spruce
TD stacks rights? The damage
worthy linden
yeah i've been unlucky on corruptions
loud rain
yea
south spruce
So if I get 2 R3 I do 36% damage
loud rain
yup
worthy linden
i have stuff like twisted appendage 3 and honed mind 3 in my bags
loud rain
whats your resist at
worthy linden
53 from cloak and 10 from neck
worthy linden
mindflay is on 455 gloves but i have TD on my gloves rn
worthy linden
465 belt
i also have a 445 belt with racing pulse 3 i was using before
puts me at 107
loud rain
whats racing pulse. haste proc or %?
worthy linden
haste proc
loud rain
if you got rid of stars and IT1 for the pulse what do you sit at
worthy linden
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