protection

[sullen valve]

Who is speg?

[tame garden]

[warm plinth]

Speg is the 2nd best guardian druid

[undone sun]

who

[tame garden]

Who is the best @warm plinth

[warm plinth]

Thyme is the best, of course

[tame garden]

1v1 me thyme

[undone sun]

pay for my sub and we'll talk

[tame garden]

🏃‍♂️

[undone sun]

🤣

[tame garden]

@warm plinth I will remember this

[upper violet]

thyme

2 die

[warm plinth]

@tame garden ❤️

[tame garden]

idk what thymes ilvl was when he quit

but i think my TD would 1shot him if we dueled

[warm plinth]

Probably 😂

I watched that video of the 30 tanks doing heroic Ny'alotha, and laughed out loud when Nnoggie's TD 1-shot the first down phase tentacle before Psychus got to it lol

[tame garden]

😔

literally as he was saying everyone look away

[maiden ravine]

I'm excited for SL bear

[sick sentinel]

Bear sucks don’t @ me

[mortal brook]

@sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

Steve you ballsy son of a gun

I oughta put you down right here and now

[mortal brook]

hawgz you excellent contributor you

[sick sentinel]

But I am merciful

If you don’t break a day long silence to say bear sucks are you even a member of this discord

[mortal brook]

you shouldnt mention what that bear mouth do tho

breaks the rules hawgz

[sick sentinel]

🏃

[maiden ravine]

haha, 30 tanks doing Heroic Nyalotha

[mortal brook]

Didnt the 30 bear run happen like a month ago

[rich wren]

whats the strat for temple gauntlet room? just started tanking this week and i feel like i die a lot in there lol

[sick sentinel]

Is the gauntlet room the last boss

[rich wren]

the eyeball room i guess

to me gauntlet is just endless spawning mobs lol, maybe wrong term

[sick sentinel]

Nah I just didn’t know what you were talking about

Pull as minimally as possible in there

[left hatch]

don't mondo pull like you do every other week

necrotic is the only affix that makes that room bad

[sick sentinel]

Necrotic is buns in there if you pull it all

[rich wren]

ya people keep telling me i should just pull shit and run around

and i just feel like that isnt workin for me lol

[sick sentinel]

Kindly correct them

[left hatch]

i mean you can... but since stuff constantly spawn

[sick sentinel]

And then do what is correct

[left hatch]

it can get messy real quick

and the only reason they want you to do that is to pad

and its the only place they can pull above 100k

kekw

[sharp night]

stuff doesn't constantly spawn

it only respawns if you kill it

[sick sentinel]

You barely have to hit anything in that room, so if people are telling you to pull it all and run around they are either A) horribly misinformed or B) padding

[left hatch]

right

[sharp night]

you can pull the whole room and kite and nothing new spawns

[sick sentinel]

Kind of pointless imo

[left hatch]

if the group is telling him to pull and run around tho

you really think they have any restraint

to not aoe

[sharp night]

i pull it all and kite and nobody else gets in combat and then i just die

[rich wren]

idk how to get the entire room in respectable time and still save leap to actually not just die lol

[left hatch]

i make it in 2ish pulls

[sick sentinel]

^

[left hatch]

from orb to serpent then kill it as ppl run the orb

then same with other orb

and if you need to kite run it back and forth in the area you've already pulled from

[rich wren]

alright ill try that if i run that key again tonight lol

up to 1700 now so we're on the grind xd

[sick sentinel]

Good work soldier

[pulsar garnet]

hi are there breakpoints for the prot warriors stats? that i should be trying to get to

i read there isnt really a haste cap but are there different break points ex. 15% / 25% /30% so any numbers inbetween dont actually have an effect

[sick sentinel]

No

[wraith hemlock]

how good or bad is the corruption that gives you a vers proc sometimes when you take damage?

[left hatch]

middle of the pack

its uptime is fine

but unless you're pushing far into the 20 keys the damage corruptions are much better

[pulsar garnet]

vision of perfection better as a minor or major?

[left hatch]

major

[pulsar garnet]

thanks

[sick sentinel]

guys is tusk farming still a thing? tried that 3 years ago over 5month and was so frustrated..

[mortal brook]

sure

[main shoal]

Are there any essence setups you recommend on specific dungeons?

speaking on 15s specifically

[mortal brook]

VoP cns formless/warden wildcard

[main shoal]

Which ones yo recommend as wildcards?

[sick sentinel]

Sphere

Or lucid

[atomic gazelle]

am i cleansing searing flames and taking 1 more rank of TD instead?

[tame garden]

Yes

[atomic gazelle]

ty sir

[shell hemlock]

has cns major been capped at two roots?

before dr

[sweet summit]

No dr

[sick sentinel]

CnS major is bad

Don’t use it

[mortal brook]

if its appearing like it has DR, slows 30% or higher are being applied to it breaking root early

[cosmic canyon]

Hawgz elaborate

[sweet summit]

[formal grail]

If you don’t have cns, should you just take both wildcards?

[sweet summit]

I would work on CnS and use Aegis/Sphere until i had CnS r3

[sick sentinel]

I’d agree with this analysis

Good work soldier

[maiden ravine]

hmm

had some random shaman criticize my route on AD even though I hit exactly 100%

and route wasn't why we missed timing the 15

[sweet summit]

There is more go a route than just %
Mightve been a lot of backtracking for example

[maiden ravine]

nah, only back tracking was cause of deaths

Did priestess, then Rezan, then Vol'kal

[sweet summit]

So the normal route lol

[maiden ravine]

I messed up Rezan cause I was pursuited somehow

and no one could LoS him, I was tanking in the wrong spot I guess

[sweet summit]

The pillar on the skyscreamer side is not LoS

But the stairs are

[maiden ravine]

ah

that makes no sense, but okay

[sweet summit]

Yup

[maiden ravine]

said shaman that was all "really bruh" about early mistakes

HE pulled the back in front of vol'kal after we killed him

he went, "mb" and then proceeded to continue complaining

we missed the timer by about 4-5 minutes

all the small mistakes added up

I had to kill the pack near the 3rd pillar for %. I missed a pull I had planned on

but it worked out, that pull wasn't TOO bad

[gaunt dawn]

Rezan fixates ranged players (if they are out at ranged)

if no ranged are out, it picks any target

[maiden ravine]

bleh

[gaunt dawn]

So you have a ranged bait it

but, "really bruh" also covers it 🙂

[maiden ravine]

I'm also spoiled by my paladin

he did 2.5k dps overall on the key

I'd be mad at myself for doing under 20k while healing

[gaunt dawn]

knowledge of the dungeon is on everyone, not just the tank

[maiden ravine]

Well I messed up timing the pursuit cause I had literally gone months since I was last the target

was also trying to clear necrotic cause raptor adds

[gaunt dawn]

necro should clear during the fixate 🙂

[maiden ravine]

not if there's 3 skellies up

[gaunt dawn]

the real question is why there were 3 up

when you can have 0

on a tyranical week

[sweet summit]

More boss damage for the shaman 4head

[maiden ravine]

🤷

we timed it, best I can hope for for a last minute 15

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern i hit shield block twice in a row does that mean i hit the 42.5 and am unkillable?

[cosmic canyon]

If you sb twice in a row it only adds duration

So your sb last longer

Does demo with booming voice create more threat than without?

[amber siren]

it's more damage so yes

[cosmic canyon]

Perhaps I was unclear. The click itself I mean, the moment you press demo. Not over the course of effect dealing more damage in the window

[sick sentinel]

Abelito is a dec

Dev

[amber siren]

@cosmic canyon no, demo with or without BV is still the same amount of threat on the table from applying a debuff

[cosmic canyon]

Ty

[ionic fern]

@sullen valve

[sullen valve]

@ionic fern Don't deny it. This one was clever

[ionic fern]

No, it was clever.

When are you joining the tanking master role?

[sullen valve]

👀

When im 5% as smart as you

[ionic fern]

Shouldn't be hard then.

[sullen valve]

OR

When im bald

Whichever one comes first

[ionic fern]

😂

[sullen valve]

🤣

Or when i look like ...

:devil:

🙈

[oblique garnet]

[strong forum]

Friend just linked me details of a boost run he healed...
The tank (3.2k score) did 31k dps....
31k.... How how how how can you be so bad

This dude is straight up stuck in early s2 numbers

With TD2 equipped

[autumn pendant]

I feel like you get triggered easily 👀

[strong forum]

I get triggered very easily by bad tank dps of people I don't know, yes

Just goes to show how irrelevant io score is yet again

[upper violet]

does dwarf racial remove nercotic ?

[amber siren]

yep

[upper violet]

wtf op

[ionic fern]

Not as OP as gnomes being able to swim in SoB 3rd boss pool.

[amber siren]

wait what does being able to swim in the pool mean?

[sweet summit]

They are too small

[strong forum]

It's broken what do you mean rybie

When you try to move around at that boss, you sink in the pool, thus you are out of line of sight and can't cast anything or pull the eels

And then fail to jump back out cuz you're so small

If that's not OP idk what is

[sweet summit]

SoB
SotS

[strong forum]

Aaah

I'm smurt

Same principle though

[sweet summit]

Ye

[amber siren]

does this mean my gnome warrior is meta now

[strong forum]

Yes, meta at dying or wasting time

[amber siren]

yeah i knew about swimming in the statue in siege for a long time bcs my goblin did that as well, i just wasn't sure if there was something OP about it that i didn't know

now my hopes are dashed

[strong forum]

has arrived

[ionic fern]

[mental scarab]

W8 what

Do dwarf fit in the pool?

[strong forum]

Not in siege, but in sots they do

[mental scarab]

Oh cool

[strong forum]

Idk if that's cool as it slows you down and prevents you from pulling the pack you wanted cuz you're behind a rock that counts as LoS

[autumn pendant]

wtf

You were just brown boy

hour ago

[strong forum]

[autumn pendant]

whew

[south yarrow]

you can't just call people "brown boy"

[ebon hound]

"yellow lad"

[strong forum]

not much better is it

[sweet summit]

@strong forum

[strong forum]

yas dude

[sweet summit]

Grats mate

[quartz belfry]

What trinkets everyone bonus rolling for in M+?

[sweet summit]

👁️

[stiff oracle]

big

[strong forum]

strictly from m+ you want rezans and gore butcher block

[brittle owl]

wtf

why are you SF @strong forum

[strong forum]

what do you mean why

im powerful

[sweet summit]

Lowkey toxic

[strong forum]

cant you see

[brittle owl]

not lowkey

p much highkey

kek

[sweet summit]

Damn

[brittle owl]

@strong forum cross server emotes when

[strong forum]

:just:

i lack such power

[brittle owl]

gotta answer my shit now that you have a colored name

not good enough

[strong forum]

soon ™

[autumn pendant]

He lacks many more things 👀

Woop woop

[strong forum]

okay, rude and uncalled for

[brittle owl]

who is this brown name think he is

[sweet summit]

Ban him

[brittle owl]

want me to take care of him @strong forum

[autumn pendant]

im fury

In your head

[brittle owl]

i have such power

[autumn pendant]

I am fury

In your head

[sweet summit]

$ban @autumn pendant

[autumn pendant]

Im the ghost in the back of your heaaaaaaaaad

[strong forum]

already building my mob

[autumn pendant]

jesus

[brittle owl]

i'm sorry i don't speak edge

joke's on you @strong forum i'm just using this as an excuse to ping you at inappropriate times

[autumn pendant]

Its a song

From Life is strange

[autumn pendant]

[brittle owl]

can't listen to it but it indeed sounded like a song

[sweet summit]

Life is very strange, yeah

[brittle owl]

an edgy song

[autumn pendant]

I have strange feelings for Nomeratur even though he hates fury

[brittle owl]

hating fury is like saying prot warr is bad in nyalotha

[sweet summit]

Doesnt make any sense and you are dumb? 👀

[strong forum]

hating the evil word is very much welcome by me

[autumn pendant]

👀

[brittle owl]

i think rosjen deserves the yellow name more tbh

[sweet summit]

Thank you kind stranger

[strong forum]

whats done is done

[still pagoda]

well

what is done is done

[sweet summit]

Now that you're yellow.
How much ineffable do i need for it to replace AM so i can go Ravager? My 150% isnt enough :/

[strong forum]

ive done my battle with rosjen, but survived because i stunned him outside of the duel arena and the time ran out

[sweet summit]

I actually got outplayed ngl

Who would see the engi knockback -> fear -> sb out of bounds comming

[strong forum]

one of my classic blunders! haha!

[autumn pendant]

Wow

Gamers piping

[brittle owl]

imagine losing a duel to a warrior doe

[autumn pendant]

Warrior legit not worse class to 1v1 with

But not as arms

👏

[strong forum]

the only class you can win against as the real spec is warlock

[rain bolt]

should i buy lucid or vop for keys?

[sweet summit]

Lucid is a very good minor

[left hatch]

you can farm out VoP in a day

so buy lucid for the minor and just earn VoP the normal way

[strong forum]

^

[upper violet]

True true

[rain bolt]

ye but i ve farmed it on like 3 alts before and i cba to farm it again so ill just buy it

[upper violet]

Ok

[rain bolt]

do i buy it before lucid tho

[left hatch]

its the only major you're ever likely to use

so yes, its much more impactful than a minor

[jolly coral]

😦 only 12% Tdev on my prot spec 😦

[brittle owl]

someone needs to do more world quests/hc clears/5 mask visions

[shut summit]

Just get it 🙃

[sick sentinel]

yo, how important is C&S to us? also, ripple and formless

i have all of the other dps essences at 3, and same for tank besides mentioned ones and healer ones

[mortal brook]

ripple isnt used by anyone ever

cns is the best minor

formless needs to have a cof user in group for good uptime

[brittle owl]

i use ripple 😦

☹️ it's fun.... ☹️

[left hatch]

if you truly can't/won't get CnS then ripple isn't going to fill in that slot

Roll with Lucid, Sphere and Str/Formless as your minors

[brittle owl]

you don't use ripple for anything serious

or relevant

you use ripple for the zoom

[hushed cobalt]

After I open my weekly ill have 14 of 15 burgeonings

CnS here i come!!

[jolly coral]

I need 2 more weeks 🤦‍♂️

[alpine island]

Hi Guys, if I don't habe Conflict and Strife Rank 3 - Only Rank 2 . What other Essence should I use for M+ ? Or should I just go with CaS Rank 2

[mortal brook]

cns r2 is still pretty okay, but you should work towards r3

[stoic harness]

i use Aegis and Sphere

[rocky linden]

I need to have at least 1 rated win in something to get the BBF item for C&S essence, right? Not just the weekly chest?

[warm plinth]

No

[strong forum]

no you dont need the 1 win a week, you need rating

[warm plinth]

No wins required once you have the rating, unless you want the appropriate gear level reward for your rating.

[rocky linden]

Ah, okay cool

[strong forum]

once you have gotten your rating, you can safely cap every week without stepping into arena again

[autumn pendant]

you just cap after you achieve desired rating

[rocky linden]

Yeah, no I'm good then

Just thought I needed some rated win too, not sure why

[autumn pendant]

you arent only one

[warm plinth]

Because a lot of people are still saying you do

[autumn pendant]

dw

[rocky linden]

Aha

[warm plinth]

But trust me, I'm anti-PvP as much as possible so that was the first thing I tested 😂

[chilly brook]

Just throw WM on and go do the horde or alliance invasions and you cap by doing pve

[tame garden]

Yellow nome

👀

[strong forum]

👀

[warm plinth]

Does this mean Nomewind will finally happen

[tame garden]

:nomewind:

[strong forum]

das a weird name

[hushed cobalt]

Wait... I thought you needed 1 win a week at your rating for cns

[strong forum]

na i have a thing in mind

no thats only for ilvl Tsär

[hushed cobalt]

My life is a lie

[rocky linden]

@chilly brook tried that, my warrior is horde on a sever that is 90% alliance. It wasn't as much fun as you'd think

[hushed cobalt]

Also I should have paid for a carry from my 1650 to 1800 just to get cns this week :(

[strong forum]

eh 1 week or less

in an expansion thats over

🤷‍♂️

[hushed cobalt]

Procrastination at its finest

[sick sentinel]

nome now that you are yellow teach me how to play

[shut summit]

same

[strong forum]

okay so basically

SB

[ionic fern]

Huh, weird.
And here i was running around with 2h in Fury spec pretending to be a BDK.

[potent anvil]

Wait, new yellow 👀

[strong forum]

👋

[potent anvil]

[tame garden]

:nomewind:

[slim pier]

Nice

Well deserved

[warm plinth]

@potent anvil @strong forum NOMEWIND

:nomewind:

[wheat pier]

quick question

[warm plinth]

I'm disappointed in myself that I pinged them backward

[wheat pier]

on tyran weeks, do you take booming or the devastator talent?

[warm plinth]

Booming Voice

The only time you would want Devastator in M+ is like...tyrannical workshop

[wheat pier]

mhm, understood i thougth the same

thanks mate

[modern brook]

:nomeratur:

@warm plinth DESRATUR

[warm plinth]

NOMEWIND AND DESERATUR

[strong forum]

🎐

[distant crystal]

they're really gonna make us wait the full maint window for servers up

smh

[mortal brook]

we up @distant crystal

[modern brook]

@strong forum is that what we're calling it?

[strong forum]

na, i have an idea

[distant crystal]

[strong forum]

with name and everything

cuz its just stolen from my guild discord

[warm plinth]

Servers are up now @distant crystal, so not quite

[distant crystal]

stuck on loadscreen

jebaited

[sick sentinel]

aaaaaaa same

[strong forum]

EU hast he same

[south osprey]

yo is this weapon as pog as ive heard?

[last mason]

It’s garbage

Worst option at any ilvl

You want stats

[ionic fern]

That's a harsh way of putting it.

[strong forum]

Servant Splitter is very good what do you mean

[ionic fern]

👀

[strong forum]

Its very good up until 2 targets, loses out in aoe

[warm plinth]

Wat

Mwahi was like I'm gonna be mellow about this because someone else is gonna say something

[solid crystal]

whats the max corruption we should go as prot for m+?

[warm plinth]

59 if you're comfortable dealing with Grand Delusions, otherwise 39

[strong forum]

^

[grand drum]

got a 475 shield from chest Pog

[strong forum]

grats!

[mortal brook]

SS is highest dmg what you on

[ionic fern]

@warm plinth you know me so well

😂

[south osprey]

another question -- would i prefer 1x bloodsport/1x deaf crash or 1x iron fortress/1x deaf crash or 2x deaf crash if i had to make a choice? for general survivability and key pushing in M+

cant really sim that question other than dungeon slice dam

which is only so useful

[strong forum]

1 IF / 1 DC

[warm plinth]

😄

[mortal brook]

' you want stats' best scrap all the Getis too

[strong forum]

well geti loses as soon as theres a 2nd target aswell

its literally getikku for prots but unreliable to get at relevant ilvl

[south osprey]

hmm so id probably meme with that in raid but stick with the 470 mace for M+

[strong forum]

ye, for memes you can defo play it

[south osprey]

its a M+ alt so anytime im actually tanking raid its a heroic parse/alt run so sounds good to me

[limpid pawn]

475 vial of animated blood

hm.....

[solid crystal]

and how to deal with grand delusion as prot, just spell reflections etc?

healer should cope fine

[strong forum]

Most situations where it could be dangerous you can cloak it away, or simply spell reflect it yes

in small packs / easy pulls you can often just tank it

[sick sentinel]

So 465 block vs 455 Rezan. What wins?

[strong forum]

generally block cuz ilvl, however if you have TD's i would use Rezan, personally

[sick sentinel]

Ok cool! I have no TD. The game hates my warrior. Lol

[limpid pawn]

make sure to do your 3x 5 mask visions

you will eventually get it lol

[strong forum]

At this point I'm only doing 1 vision a week cuz I literally cba assaults but the big one

[limpid pawn]

cba?

[strong forum]

'can't be assed'

[limpid pawn]

hm.. new one for me

[strong forum]

It's pretty common slang nowadays

[crimson forge]

@south osprey for general key pushing, take dc and bloodsport. Take 2x if you’re more concerned about dmg

[limpid pawn]

so is the 475 vial worth using over my LPS in m+

it's not a rezans 😦

[maiden ravine]

another freaking belt

I mean this one has expedient 1 so I can squeeze it in probably

but still

[sick sentinel]

A shammy in my guild got the shield from AD 475, with Is3

[modern brook]

more like kyle everbelt

[sick sentinel]

@maiden ravine spray paint NWO on one with black paint

[maiden ravine]

I just disenchanted 3 different 470-475 corrupted belts yesterday. 😄

BrM got a weapon though, woo

[strong forum]

I'd use vial over LPS until 22+, before that just spam that dmg @limpid pawn

Maybe even higher keys

[sick sentinel]

LPS really only good if you need it to survive and use it basically on cd

[blazing gale]

corruption setup 12% haste, TD3 + gushing wounds good for m+? 15-19 range

[sweet summit]

yea, sure

[strong forum]

Pretty good yes

[still pagoda]

Is CoF better than VoP for visions? I'm really-really confused on this thanks to the guide from IcyVeins

[amber siren]

CoF is popular for visions to boost ST damage since avatar and/or TD will do most of the AoE work for yo

[shut summit]

^

[potent anvil]

👀

[upper violet]

huge

[sweet summit]

but why

[still pagoda]

Me want

[potent anvil]

r4 avoidant, we love corruption

[still pagoda]

but why
@sweet summit
High keys would love this

CoF is popular for visions to boost ST damage since avatar and/or TD will do most of the AoE work for yo
@amber siren

Thanks

[amber siren]

[last mason]

475 vial yikes

remember when getting a trink was good

[sweet summit]

BIG CLAPS

[limpid pawn]

yeah

[still pagoda]

USers...

[last mason]

and not bad because you miss out on corruption

[still pagoda]

still 13 hours till reset here on EU

[limpid pawn]

i have td 3 right now

[still pagoda]

[last mason]

i have td1

[limpid pawn]

and can have up to td 6 if i wanted

[strong forum]

TD5 or bust

[still pagoda]

VR3 is all i have

[strong forum]

Soon shall be your time, little one

[placid oar]

Hi guys, can I ask if equipping a 465 rezans will be better than my 460 vita? It will drop my haste down to about 17% is that bad?

[strong forum]

No it won't

[sweet summit]

you're not replacing vita until you get a mythic vita

[placid oar]

Ohhh ok

[still pagoda]

ehh... Seriously, i was one of the guys lucky enough to get 970 Eye of Shatug and 965 angerboda with socket in first few weeks of Mythic Antorus

but now...

my former luck cursed me

[placid oar]

Ah I won’t be raiding mythic due to work. Have dropped from my guild’s raid squad and going casual now 😊

Thanks a lot Nomeratur and Rosjen!

Have a great day!

[sweet summit]

you too mate!

[placid oar]

Cheers 😊

[still pagoda]

but well, it is only the first week of me returning on my warrior

so...

[strong forum]

Exactly, not everybody gets TD5 within 7hrs of playtime on his fresh 120 enha shaman

[still pagoda]

ofc xD

i've got pretty lucky on overal itemisation though

mostly haste-verse/haste-crit pieces

and VR3 which is still nice

[mortal brook]

TD5GW1 no cascading next week

[sweet summit]

imagine having GW tho

[mortal brook]

TD5 expedient 2 no cascading next week?

[sweet summit]

expedient 3 or 1, actually dont have expedient 2

[amber siren]

GW doesnt exist you cant change my mind

[distant crystal]

my most scuffed alt

has 475 gw + 470 gw

[mortal brook]

a 1 in 52 chance of existing

kinda eh

[potent anvil]

[limpid pawn]

whats the addon that does that

[mortal brook]

corrupted tooltips

[wicked orchid]

Should I take blood siphon at all?

[strong forum]

Typically there's better options

Like ele whirl/hmc/gutripper/op/uf

Those 5 are almost always present

[wicked orchid]

I do have a ele whirl, I'll take that. Thanks!

[warm plinth]

12 Stormforged now, good lord

They're taking over!

[sick sentinel]

im formstorged

[warm plinth]

I did a key on my warrior yesterday

Do I qualify for formstorged now?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

i also did one key on my warrior yesterday

so yes

[warm plinth]

Sick

I haven't touched my warrior in weeks. Did a +12 like a boss 💪

[sick sentinel]

i looked for the most brain off 15 i could find

[warm plinth]

Got a 470 weapon from my chest today

So, worth

[sick sentinel]

imagine getting anything good from you box

[warm plinth]

If it makes you feel better, it has VR2 on it

[sick sentinel]

i got td2 for two weeks in a row to start the tier, then i have been deleted from the rng spectrum

[warm plinth]

Also that toon is like 450 ilevel so it's hard NOT to get an upgrade from the box lol

[sick sentinel]

i have a dh that is 440

and i managed not to get an upgrade today

[warm plinth]

Skillz

[sick sentinel]

getting the same shit 475 legs too weeks in a row is a feels bad

[strong forum]

I mean it's 3-4 per role, that's how I've observed it over the past years

[sweet summit]

theres like 10 for arms and fury, and 2 for prot

[strong forum]

well thats cuz dps'lers tend to play both fury and arms

prot we have 5

unless you dont count Mwahi and Late, then its 3

[sweet summit]

i only count 3

ah

yeah

[fossil sparrow]

christ I can't even stomach doing an 11 this week, fuck necrotic

[sick sentinel]

Leap away

Profit

[fossil sparrow]

mobs still very healthy after leap

what do

[sick sentinel]

Necrotic is all about staying in as long as you can, resetting, and strategically using you defensive cds

[fossil sparrow]

oh to be a dh with 400dashes

[loud rain]

yea with block it doesnt matter that u cant be healed if ur not taking damage to be healed

[sick sentinel]

Luckily for us in dungeons most damage is blockable, so we don’t see real issues with necrotic until higher stacks

[tame garden]

shockwave, leap, profit

[sick sentinel]

Yeah you can also just stun and run

[fossil sparrow]

if they're stunnable

also learned that the centre dino pack in AT

[tame garden]

prot handles necro very well

[loud rain]

also if pally in group make sure to have bop macro 😛

[fossil sparrow]

sucks donkey dicks

[sick sentinel]

Also true about paladin

[loud rain]

can make the bop macro say bop me plz

[sick sentinel]

If healer says “hey idiot you have 50 stacks I’m bopping you” I oblige

[loud rain]

in party chat

so u can spam it so they know when =]

[sick sentinel]

But you shouldn’t need bop

[loud rain]

of course

but never hurts to use utility to increase damage =]

[sick sentinel]

We have more than enough in our kit to make necrotic ez

[fossil sparrow]

then again that was the same group that failed the totem boss for almost 2mins straight

to ..well kill the totems together

[loud rain]

TD can help with that lol

[fossil sparrow]

corruption gang

[loud rain]

get it to like 15% then a td5 comes out and 1 shots it

[sick sentinel]

Where’s your corruption

[fossil sparrow]

ask blizzard

[loud rain]

?

you can still just wear corruption

[sick sentinel]

Like

Any corruption

[fossil sparrow]

IF I HAD ANY

[loud rain]

^

[sick sentinel]

Do visions

[loud rain]

how olds your toon

[sick sentinel]

Guaranteed corruption every week

[fossil sparrow]

month ish, can get r11 cloak if I can be bothered to do it

[tame garden]

its slow to start

[fossil sparrow]

but corruptions? never heard of them

[tame garden]

can barely keep HoD activated on my monk atm

[loud rain]

u get 1 from chest every wekk (sept trinket)

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I am holding my cloak upgrade in hopes I get a GW this week lul

[fossil sparrow]

which are either really bad, or low ilvl or both

[stiff oracle]

Then do higher keys lol

[loud rain]

sometimes ilvl isnt the best

[dark lark]

here's your biweekly complaint from me about getting harpooner's plate cuirass from the vendor for the 4th time in a row. FUCK

[mortal brook]

1 more and itll have been enough to have bought a 20k

\o/

[last mason]

i rolled that last week

and this week got horned horror shoulders

so another 1/8 chance for worse piece

[dark lark]

i got abyssal malevolence and tank buster pauldrons on first tries

so this is the universe normalizing itself on me

[last mason]

i mean i cant tank anyway since i dont have td

so w/e

guess i raid tn and come back to game next tuesdat

[pulsar garnet]

How is this corruption seems pretty good

For protection warrior ofc

[stiff oracle]

Meh

[pulsar garnet]

Does it not proc often?

[sweet summit]

its decent

[inland silo]

its super situational

[mortal brook]

its a much worse anger management 🤷

[pulsar garnet]

Lol

[stiff oracle]

I plaued with it for a bit and honestly didnt notice i was wearing it so

[pulsar garnet]

Is there a way to target farm titan residuum?

Keystones im guessing for dung that drop azerite armor

[stiff oracle]

Cant drop from m+

Only raids

And m0s but i dont think those give residuum

[pulsar garnet]

Wait so mythic + cant drop azerite

[stiff oracle]

Correct

[pulsar garnet]

Fml

[still pagoda]

yup

it can't

[pulsar garnet]

I farmed so many mythic + dung last week in search of a chest

[still pagoda]

though it drops residium

[pulsar garnet]

Now i feel stupid

[stiff oracle]

Lol

Doesnt drop residium?

[pulsar garnet]

What a waste of time

[stiff oracle]

Weekly gives it?

[pulsar garnet]

Weekly only

[stiff oracle]

Ye thats what im saying

[pulsar garnet]

Is the amount u get based off highest key?

[stiff oracle]

Ye

[pulsar garnet]

Ok

Good info here boys your doing gods work

Just saved me an entire week of farming mechagon +keys

[stiff oracle]

Still farm them

Get them juicy rings 😩

[pulsar garnet]

True

My friend got one from each dung last night i was kinda salty but whatever

I wanted that chest that was impossible to drop

[stiff oracle]

Hehe

[pulsar garnet]

Ive had a 420 chest for 2 weeks

Its my worst item now i will just buy a 460

Secrets of the deep or iron fortress

Iron is obviously more reliable

[ionic fern]

@sullen valve

I see you.

[sullen valve]

HEHEHE

i was even going to ping you with a stupid question

[ionic fern]

😂

[sullen valve]

If I hit shield wall and Shield block does that mean shield slam hits like a truck

[fossil sparrow]

massive fan of dps that refuse to stop dps

[sullen valve]

Shield wall buffing shield slam when

[fossil sparrow]

and in turn fuck the awakened portal

[ionic fern]

👀

[strong forum]

Shieldwall but torghast version when

[fossil sparrow]

surprised shield wall is still 4mins

[pulsar garnet]

Dows brace for impact stack if u have it on all 3 pieces

[still pagoda]

Shieldwall but torghast version when

[sullen valve]

Who needs shield wall when you got last stand bolster

[sinful stone]

is there a guide somewhere on how our block works

like the amount you block

[ionic fern]

Are you looking for the formula @sinful stone ?

[sinful stone]

sure unless it's insanely complicated

[ionic fern]

Block Reduction = Block Amount / (Block Amount + K)

[sinful stone]

blizzard likes to put everything in their formulas to account for DR

like armor, day of the year, how long you been playing wow, etc

how do you get block amount?

[ionic fern]

I just told you. 👀

[fossil sparrow]

how the hell do you do unbound abomination properly?

[stark sage]

block amount is the block value on your shield

[fossil sparrow]

the putric blood is annihilating us

..the entire party

[mortal brook]

shield plus any traits like BFI/IF

[sinful stone]

okie

[ionic fern]

@fossil sparrow you dispell it with the "Light ring" or w/e he puts on people.

[fossil sparrow]

Yeah..but 1 cast is annihilating us

entirely

or atleast them

[mortal brook]

like, the dot?

or the barf

[fossil sparrow]

vile expulsion even, the cast

[ionic fern]

You avoid that.

[fossil sparrow]

it says it's in a cone but it's..well not

[stark sage]

you have to move out of it

[mortal brook]

to avoid barf, everyone stands in front of boss. run through AS SOON as he starts casting the barf, drag boss, turn him around, everyone stands in front again, repeat

no one ever gets hit

[ionic fern]

It's roughly going where the people are. So you move at the end of the cast and avoid it.

Just stay grouped together and move near the end of the cast.

[tame garden]

Aim him back where youre kiting from. If you aim it at the wall it "bounces" and goes everywhere

[fossil sparrow]

of which like 2 casts and the dps are either dead or close to it

[strong forum]

You always wanna stack up as a party for the cast, then move once the cast time is done about 60% so you will never get hit by the expulsion getting dropped

You continously kite him in a circle with the party being stacked up infront of the old puddles

And move on each new cast of vile expulsion

Only moving after 60% of the cast is done is vital

[fossil sparrow]

moved at 80~, still 1hit a dps

[strong forum]

That's too late

[fossil sparrow]

not before 60..but not after 80?

[strong forum]

Yes, it snapshots your position around that time

[strong forum]

If you move too late you run into danger of still getting hit by the cast as it's bigger than your own hitbox

You can also run into puddles of your teammates if the stood to far infront of you and die like that

[mortal brook]

you can leave soon as he starts the cast

run through

[strong forum]

That's too early imo

[mortal brook]

drag him, reface him, group stacks in front again. go in big ass circle

np

say 60% and that one jackass will insist on finishing their cast and dying

[warm plinth]

If you're just running through without movement speeds, about halfway through is when we usually go

[fossil sparrow]

I mean even at 60 odd, the dps is getting 1tapped

and it's "only" a 12

[strong forum]

Ye no

[warm plinth]

But if you're me and you play a havoc DH, you wait til 1 second left and fel rush through 🙂

[strong forum]

Then he did defo smth wrong my guy

[mortal brook]

hes not running through then

🤷

[strong forum]

You can't play correct and still die

That's not how it works

[fossil sparrow]

through what?

the dust?

[strong forum]

The boss

[mortal brook]

the boss

[warm plinth]

Yeah, the boss

[fossil sparrow]

so..you don't just walk around in a circle?

[strong forum]

BTW you also take dmg upon contact with the spores, so those have to be killed too.

[mortal brook]

if you're all in front of the boss, and you all run through the boss on vomit cast, and the boss isnt facing a wall, NO ONE will ever get hit ever.

[fossil sparrow]

we only have 1 ranged, who's dying

who in turn can't kill spores

[mortal brook]

clap will take care of spores tbh

[warm plinth]

It should be (OLD SLIME) - (GROUP) - (BOSS). When slime is casting, you run through boss, tank pulls him far enough away from the new slime to make space, and then you stack up again just like that.

[strong forum]

Mostly

[tame garden]

claps op

[warm plinth]

A big mistake I see pugs doing is they think they're supposed to clear the slime with the light. Which it does do, but more importantly it removes the DoT stacks that the group has

[fossil sparrow]

both if possible

[strong forum]

You don't worry too much about clearing it

[warm plinth]

If you're doing the fight properly, you don't need to clear the slime with the light at all

[strong forum]

That's an unnecessary risk to take

[warm plinth]

Especially since sometimes the slime cast overlaps the light

[mortal brook]

if you're dragging in a circle with the boss refaced counter to your circle, the poop will naturally be clear ahead of you always

[warm plinth]

Yep

[mortal brook]

the only thing that messes that up, is the boss facing the wrong way, or someone standing not in front of the boss, baiting the barf wrong

tell that caster to stop getting themselves killed finishing their cast, tbh

[fossil sparrow]

huh, got there ..a tad rough but titan watcher came in clutch

now get me out of this hellhole affix

if a 12 sucked I'm not touching a 15 with a 10ft pole

oh no..I need a 13 for a 475piece

[cosmic canyon]

"loss of control" : not roots ye?

[loud rain]

13's arnt 475

[warm plinth]

You also want to make sure he's not facing the wall when he spits, because the circles can "bounce" off the wall.

[tame garden]

you need a 15 for 475

[fossil sparrow]

no..but the residium from tomorrows reset gets me a 475piece

[warm plinth]

12-14 is 470 from chest

[mortal brook]

I'm 100% in 'single workshop a week' mode at this point lol

[loud rain]

ah

[fossil sparrow]

I need a 13 chest residium

[loud rain]

can also clear some 0's for scrap

[fossil sparrow]

I'd need what..80

[loud rain]

if it makes life easier

[fossil sparrow]

I guess

[main shoal]

so i know haste is our best stat, but when is vers > haste on gems enchants?

[mortal brook]

simmable, but likely no

[loud rain]

only reason i could think of is if your raid tanking a magic heavy boss

[strong forum]

When you start dying to stuff even though you played correctly

That's when you start gemming / ench vers

Aka the highest of keys

[loud rain]

does nerf currently gem vers?

[main shoal]

oh, so i dont have to worry on 13 and just stick haste for now

[strong forum]

Absolutely

You're safe with full haste until 23s maybe even higher

I know that nerf is using vita + scale/rezan and not using LPS at all

[main shoal]

I have scale445/vial 450 😦

[strong forum]

Then get to it ;)

[main shoal]

is the heroic maut trinket better than any of those?

seeing that those are mostly damage trinkets

[strong forum]

No

Maut trinket is mediocre at best, the CD is what makes it undesirable

[distant crystal]

my corruptions are so wack

all of my TD is from n'zoth weaps

[stiff oracle]

Nerf doesnt even have mythic nzoth trinket so..

Not even hc i believe

[strong forum]

It's also clearly not needed

[distant crystal]

i find it most useful for oops moments

nerf prob avoids those better than me 🙂

[main shoal]

also whats the better wep enchant?

[strong forum]

Force mult

[stiff oracle]

Yeah deffo not needed lol

[main shoal]

Also for azerite traits overwhelming power vs caparace?

[mortal brook]

OP by a mile

stack loss has an icd

and carapace is a poorly scaling poop

[strong forum]

Carapace is borderline useless

Yeet that outta here

[main shoal]

okok now all im missing is a good chest with bom 😦

i have all 465 azerite gear, should i just save for 480?

[strong forum]

I you happen to find a mechagon or ashvanes warden cuirass on the side of the road, pick it up

[main shoal]

or find the bom chest

[strong forum]

Ideally yes

[main shoal]

alright

[sinful stone]

bastion of might @475ilvl vs iron fortress @480ilvl

[strong forum]

Bom

[weak delta]

hey guys im mainly tanking 12-15s for friends for the weekly, wondering what my 2 best trinkets would be, have 460 vita, torment, block, dragonscale, and then just got a 475 vial with a socket.

[sweet summit]

what ilvl is the torment?

[weak delta]

all are 460 cept the 475 vial

[sweet summit]

vita+scale

[weak delta]

ok thanks

[lofty widget]

scale or rezan with socket for m+? both 475

[midnight eagle]

i cant get twilight devastation but my GF did one +9 last week and got a 460 twilight dev ring haha, 18%

and i got the mastery one which is good for her

[sinful stone]

what's the best IP WA?

so many out there

[stiff oracle]

Whichever works best for your needs.

[ionic berry]

Did anyone have difficulty getting the Rank2 Vision of Perfection to Drop off of King Mech?

[last mason]

Would you guys take a 465 bom, or 480 dc

Would be second dc

[mortal brook]

what else is on the 480

[wise mirage]

does anyone have the spell reflect details weakaura?

[undone sun]

https://wago.io/IwPukH70B/

[wise mirage]

ty

[gusty ginkgo]

Greetings, I hope you are very well

I have a question

What statistics can I prioritize to focus the war prot to do damage?

I am thinking crit- ver- haste

[left hatch]

what stat comes out top for you is gonna be hyperspecific for your current gear and traits

generally the best stats for M+ tend to be the best for damage as well ilvl>haste>crit

but you'll have to sim yourself to double check

[formal meadow]

what are the best essences for vision?

[mortal brook]

cof major, cns formless wildcard

[chilly brook]

Any idea on what the uptime of Surging Vitality is?

Also side question but I don't suppose there's any way I can macro this to an ability?

I tried and the effect will go off but my ability won't

[undone sun]

it would be a /use slot id

wrist is slot 9

[chilly brook]

Yea I already did that

/use 9
/use Blackout Strike

The wrist triggers but the ability won't

[left hatch]

uptime is in the like 50-60% range

[chilly brook]

And that macro worked in Legion

So I'm not sure if it's because they messed with stuff in BFA because "macroing things together is bad:

"

[tame garden]

Should work ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inland silo]

is it on the gcd

[undone sun]

they did change IDs and the whole backend for macros, but that should work

it's not

[inland silo]

only thing that would make sense to me

[chilly brook]

It's not on the GCD

[last mason]

@mortal brook callous and ruinous, I have garbage luck with the azerite vendor

[mortal brook]

big heck

[last mason]

Yea

The 465 is bom and bfi I think

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/s7o4jy

[mortal brook]

whats the alternative on your other DC

[sick sentinel]

hm

https://prnt.sc/s7o4rq

that moment when you have both

What's better

[daring bay]

At what point do you guys stop focusing haste?

i got close to 40% base haste :V

[sick sentinel]

never

ilvl always

haste after

[formal meadow]

which combo?

[sick sentinel]

Prob rezan+scale

[dry matrix]

Bloodsport ✅ or ❌ ?

[hallow phoenix]

Depends what the other option is

There's one or two azerite pieces where BS is probably the right choice

But it's definitely one of our worst traits

[urban briar]

is % versatility any good for us or what are we looking for?

[hallow phoenix]

The generic answer is twilight devastation for pretty much all content

But none of the stat corruptions are bad

[daring bay]

@sick sentinel even on rings?

[sick sentinel]

more stats are better

[still pagoda]

Stat balance is really close to being tight and even

And ilvl sadly is the king due to how secondary/primary stats scale with it

[hallow phoenix]

I'm glad ilvl is king

Ilvl gains should feel good

[left hatch]

ilvl being king feels a hell of a lot better than having to burn 470 pants when you have 415 on your BM hunter just because it doesn't have crit ):<

[hallow phoenix]

Exactly

[still pagoda]

I would want pre-BfA stat scaling. Made much more sense where a you could minmax more instead of just pumping everything into ilvl

[left hatch]

legion was where scaling went fuckey

[maiden ravine]

Why is agi that bad for bm?

[left hatch]

its not bad

its just not crit lol

i have strikethrough 6

and basically everything in their kit revovles around buff maitenence with crit

[maiden ravine]

Glad I like survival

[urban briar]

what would u wear to push 20+ this week?

[still pagoda]

legion was where scaling went fuckey

Not as fuckey as early BfA

[left hatch]

same thing you wear every week

Highest ilvl>Haste>crit

with double haste trinks

and stacking as much TD as possible

[still pagoda]

Where certain things couldn't be achieved without trinkets/azerite procs

Like shatter cap

[urban briar]

so td > stat corruptions this week?

[left hatch]

TD>stat corruptions every week

[still pagoda]

Always

[left hatch]

ehhh shadow priest and fire mage would like to have a talk

[warm plinth]

@chilly brook I have a macro for that and I just shift-clicked the name of the wrists into the macro and it works fine. But I would try putting the ability first, then the wrists (that's how I have mine; not sure why it would matter but worth a shot)

[still pagoda]

ehhh shadow priest and fire mage would like to have a talk

Dunno about SP back in 8.0, but mage was fine to me except that i was seeing non-crit shatters from time to time

[left hatch]

im talking 7.0

[still pagoda]

Ah

The brokenness

Ye

That was really fucked up

[left hatch]

with my point that stat fuckery making some specs unplayable

isn't an issue with BFA alone

[still pagoda]

StM especially

[left hatch]

exactly

[still pagoda]

StM, prenerf combust and other things

[left hatch]

and in some cases the spec was made unplayable without certain legendaries

[still pagoda]

Old FR is a great example too

[left hatch]

which is at least just as bad as missing your az traits needed to make the spec work

[still pagoda]

Yup

I was originally talking of secondary/primary ratio on gear though

[left hatch]

oh yeh that problem arose ... in legion i think, cause they tried to band-aid fix it by super frontloading secondaries and devaluing them as fuck

which... didn't fix anything and made enchanting and sockets worth next to nothing (:

for the entire rest of the xpac

good times

[still pagoda]

Result? 80% prot mastery was possible

I think that the best way to solve this is to tone down primary scaling and try to tailor a golden middle ground between BfA secondaries and old expacs. Since we also get back helm, chest and shoulders secondaries, it may not be even needed tho

Since them alone are additional ~5% of crit/haste at minimum

[maiden ravine]

I didn't mind the early legion scaling. Front loading secondaries is something that should have worked, but people hated it

[still pagoda]

I don't mind either, but it causes a lot of problems with the balance

Just like total secondary draught does so too, but on a lesser scale

Though we're past those times of early BfA by now

[maiden ravine]

Is it bad that I'm starting to get disappointed in any healer not doing 20k dps overall in m+?

[still pagoda]

I rarely see any healers dpsing here in lower keys. Though again, it won't change up until +15s since there's a lot of newbs and just silly people in lower brackets

[maiden ravine]

I'm mostly thinking 15s too

Still can't believe a resto shaman with only 2.5k dps.

[dry matrix]

"taking dmg... vers..." good or bad corruption?

[left hatch]

middle of the pack

decent uptime

but its not competitive with the damage corruptions

[maiden ravine]

I want my monk to get something other than ev

Monk feels strange having such low hp and armor

[dry matrix]

So If I had 2 td I and an infinite stars II youd suggest cleansing the vers?

would you*

[sick sentinel]

Depends on content, i would rarely if ever run stars in m+

[left hatch]

^

even in raid stars is a very niche pick

only works well on like... 5ish fights

and even then its a mega rng lottery if it does amazing or shit

id cleanse IS and use the verse for now

[dry matrix]

Ive been thinking about cleansing IS for a while now. been pushing more m+ than raiding so this just made that easier. Thanks y'all

[fringe marten]

BRUH.... 475 Lingering sporepods from my cache. And nothing but belts the last ? 5? weeks. #FML

[icy monolith]

I could use a belt, still rocking a 455

[fringe marten]

Here's the problem; I have actually had some great luck on THAT slot. My second belt..? from cache. 475 Mid Crit, High Haste, Leech, Gushing Wound.

As far as prot war goes..it's literally the perfect belt for M+, unbeatable. (now of course has a socket) So every time I get a belt..no matter what; it's trash.

I would have to get another 475 Gushing wound piece just to have the gear flexibility to maybe shift it around to use something else (I have 5 465-475 gushing wound pieces already)

I've literally never gotten the % haste, or % mastery, and 1 low'ish item versa proc.. I keep getting flooded with crappy tendrils pieces; I don't pvp..and it's just too expensive a corruption to really work it in while keeping TD and my gushing pieces.

1 of the 1200 haste proc corruption; glove slot...=\

Bleh..whining for no reason now; apologies. I'm just in holding pattern for shadow lands at this point.

[south osprey]

for meme parse heroic runs is TD3 better than IS3 for single target since tank health pool is so high?

[fringe marten]

Depends on length of fight, and targets in fight.

(assuming a normalized group..not the 30 tank BS)

I've seen one other co-tank prot warrior during my random heroic pugs in Nyalotha who had a IS3 item, his shield. On ONE pull on Inquisitor xanesh he out parsed me; and we wiped on that pull. Every other pull, every other encounter...I out damaged him with my normal TD3/2x Gushing wound pieces. (I stay under 40 corruption for braindead ease)

So as was mentioned above by someone; Infin stars is a gambling proc build..if it starts procing early and you get to build it up it's amazing; but it's not consistent from what I saw on that other tank.

If you care about 'parsing' in heroic...you will now only compete with the 30 tank memetrain BS. (which means TD5~6 as your only corruptions)

I find it kinda' funny that it's now a 'new' thing when boost did it like..? a month and a half before nnogga did.

(to be fair though; now people have enough cor resis, and gear and have had time to rank up the essence..so it was much more impressive in noggies run)

[ivory barn]

in this senario, its still better to equip the 475?

[next plaza]

whats the math on rings w/ sockets vs without?

[sick sentinel]

Sim marh

Math

[true sparrow]

i used to have macros that were like /script [button:1] dropdown menu 7 doobleydoo, that would drop/dispel different worldmarkers with a left or right click. Nyalotha broke them.

Does anyone have a similar wormking macro? I found /wm 1 works, but cant get it to work with [button:x]

[ivory barn]

is it possible to make a WA for Spell Reflect as to what Spell it is used on? OR what spell used it

[mortal brook]

should be /wm1 [@cursor] now @true sparrow

wm2 etc

ERT also puts keybind options for em

and also does a menu widget

[sharp night]

you mean like this @ivory barn https://wago.io/KCYpBMg6Y

also @cursor no longer works with world markers

it was broken a couple patches ago

requires a click now

[true sparrow]

ooh! "/wm [button:2] 4" worked. Swear i had tried that months ago.

maybe i was missing a critical space

recasting it doesnt dispel that mark though

[sharp night]

you need to use /cwm to clear world markers

[true sparrow]

can i have a scirpt for like "if its already out, clear it instead'?

[sharp night]

no

you can use modifiers for it

or you can install opie which does kind of the same thing

[lofty drift]

New to prot

What major shud I be using ?

In keys up to let's say 17s?

[left hatch]

VoP

[true sparrow]

/wm [button:1] 4
/cwm [button:2] 4

Will probably do me, leftclick Place X, rightclick remove X

[lofty drift]

@left hatch ty

[tepid echo]

m+ wise, should i cleanse an avoidant 3 so i can use masterful 3