so it's 2nd best next to nzoth helm
#protection
mild ore
left hatch
mhm
mild ore
alright gotcha
carmine heron
meticulous scheming vs 2nd def crash for m+?
carmine heron
pog
strong forum
@sharp night https://i.imgur.com/xiofAlV.png check out our rip off prices
imagine buying empowered proximity
nocturne nacelle
im new to tanking so im trying to find best tank for pve content esp high mythics that would not get boring and looks cool at the same time
going back in forth between prot war and blood dk. I also want something that will be good to carry into shadowlands
still pagoda
142g on Gordunni-EU
better of buying out all dirt-cheap early BfA strength potions if so
118g for Superior battle potion of strength
early BfA stamina potion for 3g30s 
sharp night
oof
left hatch
hard to give you any input given that both "what wouldn't get boring" and what people consider "high mythics" is very subjective
personally i find BDK horribly boring and slow, while Prot Warrior and VDH are a ton of fun but thats just me
and for most people 'high keys' are like 12's while for others even 20 is low
if you're just looking to push up into the like 18 range (or anything lower than that) what class you pick has absolutely no bearing on your ability to push that high
if you want to break into the 20 range then you might want to steer clear of BDK
while its capable of the content its much more difficult and you have to work harder to complete it than the other classes
exotic spoke
Thats a pretty good summary Morrison
left hatch
and as for 'what can i bring in shadowlands'
theres no telling whats going to be good
tuning isn't finalized and wont be till late late beta. and were still missing so much info on the core workings of every class between soulbinds nad legendaries
vapid flare
Hello everyone, what minor essences should i use in mythic lower keys? Specifically, is it worth swapping dynamo lvl3 with C&S lvl2?
left hatch
dynamo isn't worth it till yo'ure close to the 20 range period
so it depends what your other options are
CnS doesn't really shine till 3
vapid flare
it still absorbs a ton of damage overall
i do have every other essences available with lvl 3 except CnS
left hatch
absorbs/hps is meaningless to your surviability
or rather its a next to meaningless metric given where our tankiness comes from
null is great in raids because of 2 reasons
its reliably consumed on cd, or almost on cd
and it does great st dps
in M+ such a low portion of the damage profile is magic damage, its so infrequently consumed, even on the more magic damage intensive dungeons like shrine that it ends up being dead slot for 90% of a key
vapid flare
well, i'm dpsing in raids and tank only in keys 17 and below 🙂
left hatch
and for the damage component, between it rarely being consumed, and it not scaling into aoe its just a weaker pick than the stat essences all around
until you get r3 CnS id go with VoP major, Sphere minor, Lucid Minor and SoTW
and once you get r3 on it swap it in for either Sphere, or SoTW depedning on if you need the resistance or not
vapid flare
until you get r3 CnS id go with VoP major, Sphere minor, Lucid Minor and SoTW
@left hatch pretty much what i use now, but dynamo instead of sphere. i was thinking about aegis tho
left hatch
aegis is as niche a pick as null
it seems great on paper, but unless you're constantly in combat with 6+ targets
its worse than the other options
and i mean CONSTANTLY like.. pulling mobs into boss fights
vapid flare
do sphere proc from bosses hits?
left hatch
np
vapid flare
and another question, i have MH from wrathion, is its corruption good?
river kettle
So CnS major is only really good in high keys with a lot of kiting correct?
left hatch
its not even good there
VoP is the superior pick until you get to around 23's and have a very coordinated premade and know how to use lucid
vapid flare
Well i have TD3 on a ring, but i have the same ring with truth lv2 which IMO makes gameplay smoother
left hatch
TD is infinitely more useful than Ineffable truth
the defensive benefit of IT is almost unnoticable unless you're specifically stacking it for SR memes
like using it so you have SR up for every reflect on rixxa or Lord Waycrest
vapid flare
the problem is TD+wration MH gives me 42 corruption and it's somewhat uncomfortable
left hatch
59 is perfectly safe
but in that case just cleanse wrath weapon
TD is your bis corruption bar none till you get into exceedingly high keys
vapid flare
nah i'll kill nzoth tomorrow and will have 39 corr 🙂
left hatch
or full clear a vision
vapid flare
did it already
left hatch
ah rip
vapid flare
the point is should i keep faralos corruption or replace it with smth? i have only 800 vers proc
left hatch
when it comes to corruption just sim yourself
the defensive benefit is negligible until you get to a point where you NEED stacking verse %'s and procs to survive one shots
which doesn't happen till like
23/24+
vapid flare
hm, ok i get it, i think faralos corr will result in more dps then
left hatch
in most cases yeh, but i like to double check myself
esp sicne the more resistance you get and options you have
the harder it becomes to give a confident answer
vapid flare
yeah
the same with trinkets?
left hatch
trinkets will almost always be some combo of Vita with Butchers Block, Rezan or Dragonscale
vapid flare
dont have vita
nocturne nacelle
best race for prot warrior?
vapid flare
kultiran?
wet fable
Tauren master race!
left hatch
technically DA dworfs and normal dworfs have a small edge because of the cleanse
and nelfs have meld if your entire group is running it, but thats become more or less irrelevent with awakened
neat rapids
huumaahns for more secondary stats
left hatch
on the horde side Belfs have an aoe cleanse, and the vulpura's racial is nice in higher M_'s
modern brook
aoe purgE*
left hatch
but yah outside of those utility examples the differences are pretty nonexistent
so pick what you like hte look of
nocturne nacelle
alliance only
neat rapids
I think human passive is pretty impactful on very high IL
vapid flare
trinkets will almost always be some combo of Vita with Butchers Block, Rezan or Dragonscale
@left hatch what about some on-use damage trinkets like merekhta, remote from mechagon or drestagath segment?
left hatch
remote bomb is shit because it has BFA damage split
fang is very strong but you can't block when you channel
so its a risky pick
for alliance, if you really wanna min max for keys the choice is dwarf or DI dwarf
neat rapids
its a 15% heal when you fall below 20% lol
neat rapids
happens with current affixes
left hatch
happens with misplays*
neat rapids
well I only twink my prot warrior
huge shortage on tanks lol
its just that my main class cant tank
sick sentinel
guys would you downgrade a shield from 475>460 for one more td1? doing 20-22keys
nocturne nacelle
im really trying to learn everything about tanking and which tank is the best and which race to choose with said tank and go for high mythic cause every tank i see is hot garbage
neat rapids
race does barely matter compared to class lol
neat rapids
tanking with dh or warrior makes a big difference
left hatch
you wanna min max go dwarf for your cleanse that works on Bleeds and necrotic
neat rapids
you'll forget about it anyways if youre not a tryhard lol
my main is a shaman dwarf so I use it sometimes
left hatch
its a godsend in KR
nocturne nacelle
wait is dwarf or di dwarf than gonna be better
left hatch
or if you're lazy on necrotic week
neat rapids
lol literally doesnt matter
left hatch
pick what aesthetic you like more
nocturne nacelle
di dwarf lol
left hatch
stoneform and fireblood are functionally the same
neat rapids
I think its just that special case where fireblood increases parry chance haha
left hatch
fireblood gives mainstat not parry
neat rapids
funny to think about it
ionic fern
nocturne nacelle
prot war uses plate right lol
left hatch
yes lol
maiden ravine
You used leather until cata when they finally added the primary stat bonus to using only your armor type
sick sentinel
Best prot warrior tank you can get for horde is vulpera
hallow phoenix
cause of their 5% DR from first hit or cause of 8 extra bag slots?
sick sentinel
5% DR from first hits
prot warriors suffer majorly from that
and vulpera covers it
maiden ravine
in a +10 UR on a 446 DK, Nose for Trouble was a flat 5% reduced damage overall
sick sentinel
What do you guys think is better. Massive amounts of haste with rank 4 TD or rank 5 TD
same corruption
amount
strong forum
TD5
sick sentinel
From a defensive and damage standpoint
strong forum
eh
sick sentinel
I was around 100% haste an entire dungeon with up to 150-200% haste with lust and procs
strong forum
too small of a difference to make a difference
sick sentinel
felt massive
strong forum
mh idk
tame garden
plucky cove
any MUST have Weak aura's for prot pala?
tame garden
Pala?
sick sentinel
Must have weak auras depends on who you ask
I believe there is some good ones in #268491842637660160
lean arch
is ineffable truth worth caring about?
lean arch
12?
sick sentinel
a rank 3 is 35 corruption
lean arch
is it decent for any war spec?
neat rapids
Guys I'm not sure on what to take. I have a regular 465 belt and a 430 with twilight devastation rank 1. Should I use the corruption instead?
sick sentinel
if that's the first TD you got; I'd use it
neat rapids
The other corruption I can use with it is ineffable truth
On a 475 leg I got from chest
Meanwhile I still have a 415 shield
opal python
sick sentinel
versa nav>force for me on patchwerk, patchwerk 5t and dungeon slice, still go for force?
Then use vers nav
cinder fractal
Been trying to farm 1h and shield from m0 so i can go from 400 > 430 for 2 weeks now, do shields not exist?
are shields a hoax by blizz
or something
I don't get it, I've even had shield wearer stacks
sick sentinel
make sure you are in prot spec
cinder fractal
4head
sick sentinel
You can also buy a shield
cinder fractal
players have the ability to, but no, i can't, i have no gold
cinder fractal
can you craft decent shields?
sick sentinel
no shields can be crafted
neat rapids
you get a 440 shield from the first conquest choice
I already took the 2 handed axe sadly
mild ore
i heard visions are easier on prot, that true?
neat rapids
prot is pretty easy compared to other classes yes
but not easier to other warrior spec
neat rapids
I main shaman and every vision feels awful
as prot I can just jump there and roflstomp
as ele I feel like I die to a breeze
strong forum
tanks have the easiest times apart from specific specs
like havoc, rogues, fire mage
mild ore
well im asking if prot is easier compared to dps specs
neat rapids
yes everyone knows dh's are retarded
sick sentinel
Fury is def the best
Things melt, you don't big pull in 5masks anyway
you self heal
neat rapids
only except would be if you have multiple twilight devastation with your prot lol
strong forum
if not entire zone
strong forum
ive never done any vision as non prot, so i cant say if fury is better, but its incredibly fucking easy as tank
sick sentinel
Fury is def better lol
don't say prot is easy than something you don't know
You can do big pulls on fury also
you just need to
strong forum
sorry i didnt catch that, the some words seems to be blurred out
sick sentinel
just don't need to*
strong forum
people also say havoc is better than VDH
sick sentinel
It is better
distant crystal
strong forum
but i struggled way more as Havoc
distant crystal
welp
strong forum
like so much more
distant crystal
i've peaked
sick sentinel
Havoc is vastly easier
neat rapids
first socket?
strong forum
felt way slower
as VDH is just oneshot everything cuz nothing has HP, Havoc needs to giga spam
sick sentinel
🤔
strong forum
and can actually drop below 90% hp
sick sentinel
I think you're doing something wrong lmao
strong forum
idk fam, had a terrible time playing havoc
sick sentinel
I think that's a you thing
strong forum
shit can actually dmg you
polar thistle
😍
polar thistle
fury or fuck?
mortal brook
'care'
neat rapids
fuck with fury
sick sentinel
smashburger
wintry pendant
Anyone run spark of inspiration to coordinate CDs with the group/is it worth losing a big surv/dps personal major?
In keys, that is.
mortal brook
it only boosts dmg based ones like cof, breath or memebeam, but wont amp minors/majors like cns that grant stat or do non-dmg effects. in general its not gonna pay off with how many ppl run non-dps majors like vop or memory
wintry pendant
I felt like a group wide 45% essence dmg boost seems good
Better to run with 3 memebeams and coordinate during non bursting/bolstering weeks?
mortal brook
maybe last season before corruptions took over for major dmg
red sequoia
if i have 1 Reckless Flurry do i HAVE to run devestator?
mortal pond
Im having issues selecting the best essences for me
undone sun
no @red sequoia
RF doesn't directly increase deva's damage, people just run deva and rf together because they're both AA focused
red sequoia
ok, was just playing around with it and some people said yes and some said no. i guess pressing not having to use devastate would mean more AA, but im running a more dungeon centric build anyway
undone sun
you don't want to run deva in a dungeon
both RF and deva are ST focused builds, not exactly ideal for dungeons
red sequoia
yeah i figured, was just playing around with it, other traits arent exactly ideal on that ring
maiden ravine
Spark sounded great til corruptions
In theory it should be good to have at least a couple in a raid for the cdr and lining up big ones, but meh
Then they just gave us botd
sick sentinel
being over 40 is actually a trap this week
necrotic and bursting both proc thing from beyond
onyx vessel
Spell reflect it
onyx vessel
And hope you dont get them more then 25seconds
sick sentinel
you can't spell reflect 4 of them
onyx vessel
I died in a normal temple
Heart guardians got 3 things
Did 400k a peice
474 btw
I was kinda shocked that happened so i never run 40 corruption as prot
👀
south osprey
maiden ravine
It's all haste as far as I'm aware
cosmic canyon
is there any WA that shows current amount of mitigation?
that updates after each spell/debuff you make on your target?
real time?
:p maybe too much to ask for hehe
wicked orchid
I know there is a WA for warriors that shows how much damage can still be mitigated by Ignore pain
I'm not too sure about the spells/debuffs though.
If you want to check it out, here it is. https://www.luxthos.com/weakauras/warrior/ Just copy and paste them into import in WA
modern brook
does expedient buff into the fray?
@south osprey into the fray is a multiplier not haste so I'm fairly sure it doesnt loop
mortal brook
only things that grant haste rating
so talents like into the fray, or racials that grant percentage of stat rather than rating, or like, heroism/lust, will not get amped
cosmic canyon
is this really accurate? afaik expedient buffs all sources
including 'static' ones like bl etc
mortal brook
lemme check actually
cosmic canyon
I don't want to contradict you, but i'm fairly certain when i did some testing on my hunt that it did work for all
mortal brook
good point actually, I'm just passing along what i was told. lemme throw on haste items and pop drums real quick
cosmic canyon
you can jsut take off all haste items and use drums too
mortal brook
yeh
okay so, ive got 21% haste amp on, so 25% drums should put my haste at, 31.25%?
looks like drums at least dont get amped
so likely other non-rating percentile boosts dont get amped
formal thunder
Quick question guys, I'm still learning prot and is the HPS for prots tied to IP usage or just based off of VR and essences/leech?
spare loom
is DPS important for a prot warrior?
mortal brook
ofc
flat jackal
Would you guys trade in surging vitality r3 for an extra TD r1 + gushing wounds?
For 22-24s
mortal brook
you'll find that hps for a prot war can come from all sorts of things, including IP, leech, leech from Memory major if you run it, and allllll sorts of other sources like azerite traits. but its not really the best metric for prot performance @formal thunder
formal thunder
Yeah I thought so
sick sentinel
I'd do the extra TD r1 and gushing
formal thunder
But for example in a run yday on 17KR I had like 12k hps
sick sentinel
necrotic week HPS will be significantly lower
formal thunder
my IP uptime was bad as well, but im not using any healing essences because its necrotic idk
yeah thats what i thought
formal thunder
I was running: Major: Everlasting, Minor: Aegis, Nullification and Vision
sick sentinel
YIKES
You don't ever use aegis on tyran, and barely ever on fort unless it's teeming week
Nullification is pretty bad in all dungeons
besides maybe ML
or ws
formal thunder
So Lucid instead of aegis?
sick sentinel
Yes
formal thunder
even green lucid lul?
sick sentinel
Do you not have CnS/
formal thunder
nah
sick sentinel
what about sphere
mortal brook
its likely that VoP major will pay off best there in general. more SB more rage gen more clap
biggest problem with touch major is it comes with a dead minor slot
formal thunder
yeah i agree
mortal brook
not to mention giving up a major power like vop or others for a 'in case i die' that might not even happen or have happened if you had a stronger major
formal thunder
i prefer running vop
but yeah idk cheat death is nice since im still learning a lot of the mechanics and can get almost 1 shot in 18s
flat jackal
It’s a crutch
If you got 1 shot in an 18 that means you’re doing something wrong
Best change it to something else so you can adapt
amber siren
what tofu said, better to learn what you can pull safely while doing as much damage as you can than do less dps for the full dungeon and have your cheat death proc once when you overpulled
cosmic canyon
well, isnt there an argument to be made that if you can tank more, and take more risk, you can pull bigger allowing others in your group to do more dps, clearing larger portions of the dungeon at a time: thus lowering the dungeon runtime?
not arguing against VoP here, but in general. Dealing more damage yourself isnt nessecarily the most optimal way to view things imo.
this is also an argument for Surging Vit > TD in some cases, no?
or stat procs in general
mortal brook
ofc. gonna depend on your group for sure. if you have more survival, its more downtime for the healer to do damage. If that extra healer downtime is more dmg than a TD, then yes
but what would the avg DR of a surging vit be, 2%ish? 800 vers for 5%ish dr with an uptime of 40~55%?
idk if thats significant enough healer dps potential to beat out a TD and a GW, but maybe?
cosmic canyon
800 vers should be 9%~~ in damage and half that in dr
no?
50% uptime, 35% corrupt
erhm 35*
mortal brook
okay so 4.5% DR with an uptime of about half. so safe to round to 3%ish average DR with good uptime
mortal brook
oh, thought it was vit3 vs TD1GW1
if its like, full budget of TD's worth of vit, that's oodles of vit
cosmic canyon
well, dps/dr per corrupt i guess
mortal brook
but td is also oodles of dps
flat jackal
Right now I’m at r3 TD + vitality 3. Figured I’d cleanse the vita 3 for an extra TD1 + GW
mortal brook
TD4GW1 is no Thing next week 😮 hot
flat jackal
What??
mortal brook
should be at 40 this week
flat jackal
Yeah, but I’m done pushing for the week, so I think I’ll be set for next week
mortal brook
2 weeks from now, TD5GW1 without cascading!
distant crystal
TD6 in 3 weeks
flat jackal
Hell yes
cosmic canyon
just did a expedience test on my main, BL/NOBL.
expedient6.
41% from the BL.
mortal brook
so drums no, bloodlust yes? wtf
distant crystal
huh?
lust/drums multiply by your haste rating
expedient adds to your haste rating
mortal brook
keen getting expedient haste from lust, but I tried drums with expedient and got no extra haste %
distant crystal
erm
expedient give rating from your existing rating
doesn't really interact with haste buffs like lust/drums
mortal brook
sure looks like they're getting more than 30% from lust there
distant crystal
that's because of the way lust works
with or without expedient
it's (1 + % from rating) * (1 + 30%)
the more rating you have the higher the total haste % will be
iirc
i did a lot of haste experimenting years ago when i was a haste stacking rsham in wrath :p
cosmic canyon
just saying, a lot changed from wotlk :p that's when i quit playing before coming back in bfa
mortal brook
lust stopped stacking like that when ppl were abusing power infusion in arena iirc
distant crystal
p sure it still stacks the same way it always has
sharp night
different sources of haste are multiplied, but expedient only affects rating
distant crystal
all of your rating combines for another %haste effect on your char
mortal brook
so lust gives 30% flat, plus 30% based on rating?
distant crystal
and expedient is just a modifier for your rating
sharp night
it's (1+rating%) * 1.15 (ITF) * 1.3(lust)
and then expedient fits into the rating portion
other haste buffs also multiply like last boss temple proc
cosmic canyon
this is nice info, thanks
distant crystal
1.344 * 1.3 = 1.747
math checks out 😄
guess you weren't standing near anything for ITF in that screenshot?
mortal brook
that was a shammy
distant crystal
ohh
daring bay
sharp night
life would be so easy if it were 12 yds lol
just leap away whenever something is about to die
strong forum
Lamo 12 would be so good
distant crystal
ranged dps would be bis
laughs in mage
there was a fleck of dust on the ground in front of you, enjoy shimmering to nowhere
hidden plaza
Stairs the true enemy of warriors and mages
flat jackal
“Path not found”
mortal brook
'id like to jump in wraith walk'
ivory barn
Naw the teleport will cancel because there is a rock on the floor
rigid mist
can shield block blocking necrotic stacks?
sweet summit
nop
forest fern
you have to dodge or parry an attack i believe to negate a negative effect it would leave
halcyon nacelle
is masterful good for prot since you multiply the mastery gained from bastion?
as a 1 of
forest fern
block you are still getting "hit"
rigid mist
how to not get necrotic stacks as warrior? i mean i saw MDI warriors got less stacks
forest fern
i mean i guess if you used ravager and dropped it you wouldn't get stacks cause of the dodge rating adjust from it
otherwise kiting slightly out of range shrug
sweet summit
ravager is not good enough to replace AM
forest fern
well might be in the next expansion, but yes right now was just a theory for what he was asking, i doubt they are not using AM
rocky linden
Is it a safe assumption that for shields ilvl pretty much trumps anything?
sweet summit
yes
obtuse meadow
Hey guys why are we using conflict and strife as a major this week for M+?
strong forum
we arent
but the reason some people run it is for the root
every TC roots the target with CnS Major and grants you double vers off of CnS
still pagoda
unless you have assassination rogue, DK or someone else with roots stronger than 35%
strong forum
=30%
lofty widget
which trinket should i pair with the psychic shell, rezan at 465 or vita at 460, both socketed?
stiff oracle
Use rezan and vita
strong forum
Unless you absolutely need psychic shell, use rezan + vita
stiff oracle
I think its safe to assume people dont, but yeah. Unless youre doing 23s and higher you shouldnt need nzoth trinket
Probably not then either
stiff oracle
^
sick sentinel
Guys how do I force the first boss in shrine to cast the sea thingy? I tried to move out of his hitbox, sometimes it works, sometimes it melees the melees
finite bolt
is lucide dream good for major? insted of vission of perfection and what proc chance of it?
sweet summit
@sick sentinel it will only cast salt blast or whatever, if noone is in melee range
@finite bolt 
TL;DR - VoP is the best unless high keys and coordinated group
sick sentinel
@sweet summit ty
sweet summit
i think the rppm of vop is like 1 ish?
sweet summit
i do, sometimes
autumn pendant
Good
strong forum
Lucid proc chance is 15% flat
It's only used as major for turtle gameplay in 22+ m+ keys
Vop is the best overall major essence
finite bolt
the cd rate of avatar and anger magnment
finite bolt
tht more aint it?
strong forum
Vop proc rate is 0.952ppm
sweet summit
i was close
strong forum
Idk what you want to hear
Lucid is a 2min CD that let's you squeeze in 1 more avatar in those 2 minutes
strong forum
No
It's 50% on average
If avatar is 1.5min CD, till take you 0.75 min to get avatar back up
With vop, Avatar is 1.2min CD
So with AM, it'll take you 0.6min on average to get avatar ready again
finite bolt
ty
still pagoda
Vop proc rate is 0.952ppm
Honestly, it feels like the whole 2ppm
ebon hound
feels
autumn pendant
Do you feel it?
still pagoda
sometimes i get 2 back-to-back procs of VoP and other shenanigans
limpid flax
obvious answer I think but want to check before I strip corruption off my highest ilvl item... which corruption effect better? 1,275 haste for 4 sec proc, or ramping up 72 crit x 5 stacks x 30 secs? I assume the haste proc. both . cost 35 corruption
stiff oracle
I love me some crit this week
sick sentinel
deadly momentum uptime is basically %100
i tried racing pulse alot even tho it procs alot 4 secs is a low duration
it procs you get use 3 gcds and its gone
strong forum
racing pulse has roughly 30% uptime of 1260 haste
deadly momentum has 100% uptime on 360 crit
aka both have roughly same stats over the course of 1 minute
mild ore
does necrotic have an icd on application of some sort?
formal meadow
ilvl one?
mild ore
how's the uptime on surging vitality in m+
wicked orchid
Is the Sigil of Warding off of Maut something I should go for?
mortal brook
no
LPS is the superior absorb trinket in most cases
nothing lines with sigil's cd in raid, and 2 minutes is a big heck in m+
wicked orchid
Ok, Thanks!
mortal brook
double dps will generally do better in most content anywho, esp things like vita. even defensively. big haste is big rage gen, sb uptime, anger management
wicked orchid
ah, ok, gotcha. Thanks again!
stoic zenith
if you want tanky trinks, the order right now is like LPS > codex > urchin everything else is trash
wicked orchid
Ok, thanks!
left hatch
at this point haste trinkets are tankier in most cases than urchin
and i don't think codex has been relevent for awhile
wicked orchid
What are some good haste trinkets I should go for?
left hatch
Vita>Rezan/Scale
wicked orchid
Ok, thanks!
left hatch
its a bit misleading to infer things like Vita are 'dps' trinkets
since at least legion stat trinkets are consistently some of our stronger options defensively
and they drop on the tank loot table
chilly brook
Well, tbh haste sims highest for my warrior
chilly brook
Unfortunately its general trash on the one character I have it on :(
Literally dead trinket for my BrM
chilly brook
Facts
left hatch
at least its not a totally dead stat though
like... all monks get outta it is a faster ticking RJW
chilly brook
I thought blood liked haste cuz of rune regen
left hatch
since you can get more than enough brews from baseline haste
chilly brook
Honestly I hate bloodlust phase on fights on my BrM lmao
sick sentinel
I never noticed it when we lusted lmao
chilly brook
Having to refresh RJW way too soon
left hatch
lol everyone else is zooming and you're stuck in 1.5 GCD
sick sentinel
Press button same speed as normal fun class
left hatch
and don't forget having no use for OP
sick sentinel
Not like the chad prot warrior absolutely booty clapping
left hatch
the (or close to the best) trait for basically every class
sick sentinel
When lust is up I feel invincible
chilly brook
I'm looking forward to it not being necrotic
sick sentinel
Necrotic isn’t bad
It’s the combo with bursting that makes it ass
Neither is bad on its own
chilly brook
It's just annoying as BrM
sick sentinel
But together it is toxic
sick sentinel
First problem, brm stinks
chilly brook
It feels bad when you start noticing your HP steadily drop after 10 stacks
sick sentinel
Second problem, I feel it
chilly brook
On bosses though it literally doesn't exist
sick sentinel
Yeah but tyr sucks anyway
chilly brook
True
sick sentinel
It’s a weird and unfun combo of affixes this week tbh - not super hard , but annoying and slow
sick sentinel
It’s good tho, I needed a week to chill lmao
I’ll run 3-4 keys on Monday and call it good for the week
tame garden
This is gear my alt week
still pagoda
i'm gearing my warrior and getting YEETed by bursting+necrotic
pretty painful, but doable
flint tiger
Random question for you folks, has stoneform/fireblood always been able to remove necrotic?
earnest mist
or do I just ask here
earnest mist
what's the best way to share a route I made here
idk if it makes sense to describe it bit by bit 😄
sweet summit
win+shift+s
stark scroll
That looks like the standard route
sweet summit
i usually stay away from the pack at the top left there. double bleedman is scary
earnest mist
at vol obelisk you mean
sweet summit
yeah
stark ruin
you should avoid pulling a double honor guard pack
rustic tinsel
With it being tyrannical I’d do that obi on boss
earnest mist
like dratnos' route for this week pulls the mid pack with two dinos
stark ruin
sacrifice someone if needed
earnest mist
which I really dont think as a good idea
rustic tinsel
Yazma spell queues long enough for you to drop stacks if you’re careful about it
sweet summit
middle pack is monkaS with necro AND bursting
stark ruin
pull the second pack on the left from the entrance as well
and the 2 mob pack should be pulled in the priestess' room
earnest mist
augur jugger confesor ye?
stark ruin
yes
rustic tinsel
Atal is just painful this week
sweet summit
i like to do something like this
stark ruin
atal is painful this season
rustic tinsel
You lose a lot of time trying to recover from bursting with saurids
rustic tinsel
Ah emissaries
How I don’t miss those
You’d have to be careful with the 6 pack this week
But yeah that route is basically what I’d do for atal on any non-teeming week
sweet summit
its ok, i have a holy pala for BoP to remove necrotic 👌
sweet summit
volkal kills himself, if youre not sure if youre going to get hero back for yazma just hold it
earnest mist
I mean if we follow the route properly we should kinda have the idea right
and this just seems like it wont happen
stark ruin
it also depends o nthe dps
earnest mist
no way it's 10 mins between vol and yazma
stark ruin
if you kill volkal 3rd, you won't
rustic tinsel
If vol is the last wing you’re doing then yeah there’s very little chance
earnest mist
yeah
sweet summit
oh yeah thats a thing people do
earnest mist
volkal is third
stark ruin
you can start with volkal, do rezan then priestess
rustic tinsel
Feels like your 2nd lust is always a pretty shitty value lust
stark ruin
and it's a nice change from the previous seasons
sweet summit
ye just pull both packs at the left together, make sure one of the ranged players are at the safespot and its ez
earnest mist
lust first pull, then go priestess and then drop down to rezan?
tame garden
I'd rather lust volkaal
rustic tinsel
Yep
strong forum
i just did the fastest kick/interrupt in the world
earnest mist
I kinda would as well
tame garden
Rezan - volkaal - yazma would be my preferred lusts
earnest mist
15 for now yeah but I am trying to figure out the dungeon for higher too
still pagoda
i just did the fastest kick/interrupt in the world
@strong forum
strong forum
ye i have a giga clip Karton
rustic tinsel
For a 15 I feel that your healer shouldn’t have issues keeping up with the volkaal damage
still pagoda
holy crap
rustic tinsel
But I’m sure you can go vol’kaal -> rezan
still pagoda
calculated
sweet summit
WTF
tame garden
You just do rezan first then clear trash til lust almost up and take a pillar to volkaal
Lust volkaal then clear rest of trash do priestess then lust yazma
rustic tinsel
I wish that double honor guard obi was just in a different place
still pagoda
^^ typical pugs won't understand this
earnest mist
@sweet summit regarding your screenshot, when do you do rezan?
sweet summit
1st
earnest mist
and then you come up to priestess?
tame garden
Lul
rustic tinsel
tame garden
Manliest pull
undone sun
cold oxide
What are the best major and minor essences for prot ? my ilevel is 460
cold oxide
cns|?
sweet summit
VoP major for m+
CoF major for raids/visions
CnS/Lucid/Aegis(m+ or visions)/Sphere(m+/visions)/void(raids/m+)/warden(m+/visions)/null(raids) [VoP minor for raids if you have CoF major]
Pick 3 minors, only 1 corruption resistance one void>warden if you have someone with CoF major in the group
conflict and strife
cold oxide
i emean for mythic plus]
strong forum
yes
cold oxide
actualy i meant tospecificv
strong forum
i was specific
cold oxide
wow thank u
just took minute to digest it
my conflict is only rank 2 now
the worst
so isntead im using sphere
plucky cove
anyone have the link to the list of spells able to reflect with spell reflect?
sweet summit
plucky cove
ty
undone sun
also in #268491842637660160
sick sentinel
Hey guys, is the sword from Wrathion ever worth it as Prot?
distant crystal
it's not the worst corruption
also not the best, just depends on what else you have for your budget
sick sentinel
It seems to me like it's a more expensive TWD which is also not as great as the worst rank TWD
strong forum
yes
south spruce
Hey guys, when can I reset stacks on Gunker? Trying to figure out mechhagon with necrotic
still pagoda
just pray for your DPS peeps
smh, i don't get many stacks on bosses
my 24% crit maybe...
wooden radish
@ionic fern 
drifting wren
Hey! New to prot warrior, was checking out the guide resources, but it doesn't seem to specify the bis dungeon gear
still pagoda
BiS doesn't really exist
sweet summit
there is no bis anymore, go for ilvl
left hatch
almsot every boss you usually reset stacks naturally
either with parry or casting times
copper lion
any tips on how to kite the blood of the corruptor, it hits me so hard with the shit on the ground and tentacles dont seem to die fast enough
left hatch
you should be able to reset whenever he does his casting stuff +parrying
south spruce
@left hatch even with my crit chance?
left hatch
yah you shouldn't have an issue
the only kinda yikes bosses are ones with adds
like queen in TD
or last guy in KR
in those cases its a dps race to kill the adds before your stacks get too high
south spruce
so nothing I can really do with necrotic vs bosses
left hatch
anytime
strong forum
i have 470s with crit haste socket + expedient 3
so these are just inferior in every way
sweet summit
aahh
hallow phoenix
what if one day you have a setup where you can only squeeze in 15 corruption
but not 20
then you'll wish u kept them
strong forum
thatll take another 5 weeks
hallow phoenix
just u watch
sweet summit
how long have 
been a thing
sweet summit
yup
sweet summit
tribal knot
undone sun
sturdy valve
second deafening crash or second iron fortress?
strong forum
IF
strong forum
you cant block during its channel
so its not recommended to be used just randomly for dmg
it can pump in aoe
ornate magnet
ty
cobalt matrix
cosmic canyon
CnS for warriors, how does the root work? dimishing? break on minor hits?
strong forum
scroll up a bit
it never breaks
its a 1sec root
without DR
=30% slow will make targets immune to root
cosmic canyon
ty, too bad about the immune, mobs are often slowed more than 30%
still pagoda
The best way to kite is to bring good assassination rogue or frost mage to your group
Just get this extra slow to make things eligible
main shoal
got wrathion h sword is the corruption good?
still pagoda
strong forum
its mediocre
sick sentinel
if you have better stuff sujre
last mason
strong forum
?
create it yourself
theres a very simple template
right ther
just add template spells CDs avbatar
lean arch
rumbling earth/stormbolt for m+?
strong forum
stormbotl
cinder fractal
I've noticed that ignore pain gets eaten up very quickly in m+, should I be taking lucid dreams if i find that to be the case?
strong forum
no
Ignore Pain is a rage dump
and dmg smoother
not your main midigation
unless youre talking Lucid Minor, that is very much useful
cinder fractal
no i meant major
strong forum
Major is only used in 22+ keys when you cant survive pulls otherwise
cinder fractal
ok thanks
sick sentinel
lucid is buns
cinder fractal
so for 25s or if playing with rshaman, got it
strong forum
i dont have issues with my rsham in my 21s
sick sentinel
rsham is fine
sharp lotus
Is warden minor favored over lucid minor due to corruption resistance?
sharp lotus
would I run lucid with formless in that situation?
sharp lotus
thank you
sick sentinel
If you know how to push your buttons and when to use the shell
shells better
but if you know you're going to forget to use it
I'd just use rezans
royal rune
@sick sentinel how much dmg can shell mitigate
800k?
I constantly use mine
Just not that sure how it works
strong forum
its 420k if your cloak is lvl 15 and youre inside a pillar / fighting a last boss
sick sentinel
but otherwise 300k
strong forum
^
strong forum
in dungeons, the last boss counts as inside nylotha
royal rune
Isnt sigil of warding better then?
strong forum
not by a long shot
sick sentinel
by far
strong forum
sigil is 2min CD for the same absorb
sick sentinel
Damage reduction
Cd of sigil is booty
demo shout, IP
External
shield wall
Vers build
sick sentinel
yes
royal rune
Vers build is good for 20+?
sick sentinel
not realy
strong forum
bit higher than that
royal rune
Ah
sick sentinel
TD will always be better
strong forum
haste all the way baby
sick sentinel
Again people who run verse builds have reasons for it
royal rune
Haste and?
sick sentinel
Crit for most situations, or verse
strong forum
only haste, really, avoid mastery get haste > vers=crit
sick sentinel
But always ilvl
strong forum
tbh
royal rune
Avoid mastery? Why
strong forum
cuz of bom
sick sentinel
No value to it cause of how much we get from bom
royal rune
Still worth running the combo mechagon trinkets tho right
strong forum
yes
cuz its mainly crit and haste
however they dont sim better for me without sockets, ill need a while for them to be useful over my crit haste + socket rings
sick sentinel
And prob won’t aim higher at lower ilvl
If you have corrupted rings
Or at all, haven’t tested tho
royal rune
