protection

[modern brook]

• u can work on ur conflict while doing it

[cosmic canyon]

anyone have a good weak aura to keep track of ravager, both the uptime of the parry & the cd of the ability?

[amber siren]

wouldnt be hard to make one but not sure why you'd need it?

[exotic spoke]

Ravager isn’t typically selected

[daring marlin]

You guys ever check your SB uptime after a M+ dungeon? You know, FOR SCIENCE!

[exotic spoke]

No. It’s better to check blocked hits %

[full monolith]

where can you check those?

[exotic spoke]

You have to log your runs

[full monolith]

I see :/

[exotic spoke]

For the most part you’ll know if you messed something up. If your health spikes suddenly in a key - you didn’t have a CD running

[earnest mist]

is gutripper better than the elemental whirl?

(I already have one gutripper)

[strong forum]

That you'd have to sim

In ST gutripper will be better, in aoe idk

[copper lion]

The breaker add in M+, should I be leaping away or tanking the add to get rage? Because leaping away does not prevent me from getting hit with his shit

[sweet summit]

you can leap max range as soon as he starts to cast, and it wont go off

[copper lion]

What??

[sweet summit]

yes

[copper lion]

How is that possible

[sweet summit]

youre out of range, so he cant hit you

[copper lion]

If I leap before the cats he will still hit me?

[earnest mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9HTe4ebQjDKEe1RZh4anqt is searing flames really that worth?

[copper lion]

Cast

[sweet summit]

he has to start the windup

then you leap max heroic leap distance

just be sure to have aggro on him so a dps wont get smacked lol

[copper lion]

If he hits me I will get wrecked if I dont have a sb up

[sweet summit]

you get wrecked even through SB

[earnest mist]

funnily enough single target echoing wins

[sweet summit]

you cant block it

the spirit breaker ability

[copper lion]

So... ignore pain?

I can’t avoid every single one

[sweet summit]

for spirit breaker only, yeah. IP and demo shout/ shield wall

you can block his normal auto attacks, but not he "big hit"

[copper lion]

Having with prot warrior but I am having a harder time being good at it than on my guardian Druid

For some reason Druid is really easy

[sweet summit]

because iron fur=more armor

[copper lion]

Having fun

[autumn pendant]

more armor = easier tanking

easier tanking = easier claim on Poland

Wait what

[sweet summit]

👀

[earnest mist]

started tanking yesterday invading poland today

[potent anvil]

[copper lion]

But prot warriors are supposed to be sturdier in m+?

[sweet summit]

agains blockable hits yes

you cant block spirit breaker

[earnest mist]

can someone please check my sim and tell me whether searing flames really makes more sense

por favor

cause I am very hesitant

seems like it makes more sense on multiple targets, so m+?

[sweet summit]

id use it untill you upgrade your cloak enough to equip TD 4

[strong forum]

You can facetank spirit breaker even in 21s

If youre going higher up you can continue tanking him but need CDs

You can continually kite him

By spam taunting and throwing heroic throw

If there's a need for that

With demo / IP you can heavily reduce the initial slap of spirit breaker, block takes care of every melee to levels that they don't scratch you

It has a somewhat large range, if you max range heroic leap before the cast goes off, he doesn't slap you with it and then continues chasing after you until he gets into melee range again and then will start casting it again

You can continously kite him without a single spirit breaker going off if you want to

[tame garden]

Spirit breaker my one niche

[cinder roost]

Hey, does someone have an answer to this, on Carapace what happens if you immune just before Insanity Bombs? Skip / Blow Instantly / Nothing?

[amber siren]

they will instantly explode iirc

[cinder roost]

So the same as if you already have the debuff and immune? That would make "sense" to avoid cheese

[amber siren]

yeah, same behaviour if you reflected it

just instantly explodes

[cinder roost]

Thought so, will confirm tonight 😄 Thanks

[shut summit]

Yea that's how it works

[strong forum]

If you pre-reflect the insanity bomb application it goes off instantly too ontop of the boss fearing everyone too close to him iirc

[shut summit]

Yup

[carmine heron]

do assa rogues slow poison cuck our prot cns major

[sweet summit]

yeah

[strong forum]

Everything that's >=30% slow prevents the root to apply

[fringe ferry]

i see people mixing haste and vers gemming, is there a haste breakpoint i should be trying to hit?

[sweet summit]

no

[chilly brook]

@fringe ferry pro tip if you see someone doing something that you haven't seen or dont understand ask them why. This applies to top tier players as well, dont just take what they're doing as what you should be doing without understanding why

[open nymph]

What's our stat prio now

In 8.3

[strong forum]

Same as every patch before that

Ilvl > haste

[open nymph]

Alright, so 0 changes?

[strong forum]

The theme of bfa yes

[open nymph]

Aight

[south spruce]

Hey fellas, what enchant on my weapon again? Also what gems for prot wars

[sick sentinel]

Force mult

And haste

[south spruce]

You da man @sick sentinel

[sick sentinel]

Wow thx

[strong forum]

He's a big boi now

[ivory barn]

seeing a few Vulpera show up on Prot warriors...... is there a niche use with them?

[strong forum]

Their racial that reduces the amount of the first hit they take by 5% max HP

[maiden ravine]

Easy content, haha

[strong forum]

It's bis for high m+

[ivory barn]

the Racial that strong?

[strong forum]

Amounts to several million dmg

Over the course of a dungeon

[ivory barn]

holy shit...

[fossil sparrow]

are different spec essences easier to get if I have the dps version?

[strong forum]

Yes

[maiden ravine]

I did a +10 on a 446 vulpera dk, it absorbed 5% of the damage I took

[strong forum]

In my keys it does 2-3k hps

Over the course of a dungeon

It's several million dmg you just straight up didn't take

[maiden ravine]

It kinda surprised me how good it was considering it's the "first hit" only

[strong forum]

First hit is often without any CDs up

With no IP

So it's the largest hit you're gonna take

[maiden ravine]

No boneshield sometimes in the case of dks haha

[strong forum]

Yup

So you have 1-2 seconds extra

To get up defensives

Without getting 1clapped

[maiden ravine]

I like it. I went vulpera on my dk for the tail and the extra hearth, being good defensively at m+ is just a really awesome surprise bonus for me.

I hope they don't nerf it cause it's weaker in raids compared to any race with 1% vers

[mortal brook]

somethings, like explosive, are only 1 hit so i mean

[strong forum]

Also the on use racial scales with AP

[mortal brook]

or others like the earth shock dudes in ML, that frontload a big hit, gg

[strong forum]

So during procs it can heal for 100k flat / 200k crit

But I have yet to use it

[ivory barn]

so why is it appearing more in a M Raid environment?

[mortal brook]

furries

[strong forum]

For m+

Also very good on nzoth

Cuz alot of New adds

Also vulpera are just better looking than most races

That's never to be discredited

[maiden ravine]

It's the fluffy tails

[mortal brook]

say what now

[maiden ravine]

Sooo kyuuute

[ivory barn]

.<

[maiden ravine]

I can't play all races at once or I would. Hell can't even play one of each anymore if you don't want to overlap classes too much

[sick sentinel]

Panda better don’t @ me

[chilly brook]

Panda BiS

[sick sentinel]

Daily reminder that panda is underrated

[chilly brook]

Best combat animations

[sick sentinel]

Biggest food buff

[chilly brook]

Half fall damage

[sick sentinel]

Ability to knock an enemy unconscious with a swift open palmed strike

[chilly brook]

Quaking palm is underrated on mobs like the shieldy boys or mech bois

[maiden ravine]

Psh, who doesn't let mech jockeys go through for %

[chilly brook]

I normally do but it depends

[sick sentinel]

Bolstering peacekeepers are bad news

[maiden ravine]

Apparently pandaren get 40% move speed from the food in visions haha

[fossil sparrow]

jesus christ the amount of spare crates for the essence is absurd

[chilly brook]

Quaking palm on the ice channel in ML is BiS

[sick sentinel]

Huge moves

[maiden ravine]

Yeah, getting the rank 3s the first time sucks

[chilly brook]

Literally dont even have to interrupt ez

[sick sentinel]

Good for emergency banana rampage in FH too

[chilly brook]

Facts

[maiden ravine]

I've been gripping those on dk

[sick sentinel]

Imagine playing a dk

[chilly brook]

Or the fan of knives in ML

[sick sentinel]

Oh dps all used their kick on the same target like monkeys? Insert quaking palm

[maiden ravine]

I play all tanks, and for some insane reason, I like bfa blood more than legion

[sick sentinel]

Bfa blood plays so slow it’s awful

[mild river]

Noob question: does the neck lv improve the essences damage at all? (Sorry for my bad English)

[maiden ravine]

I am debating making my alliance dk a panda

Yes

[sick sentinel]

ABP always be panda

[maiden ravine]

It's 1% roughly every level your heart goes up for the damage essences

[chilly brook]

Legion Blood was way way better @maiden ravine

[maiden ravine]

I think each level slightly increases the chance VoP procs too

[mild river]

Thanks

[maiden ravine]

That system plus our corruption resistance slowly going up are the major ways content is supposed to get easier as the patch progresses

[chilly brook]

Consumption should have never been made a talent

[maiden ravine]

I get that legion was better, it just wasn't fun for me. Maybe it was too easy?

[chilly brook]

And imo it should have retained its group leech buff especially with how they nerfed self sustain for blood

I mean BFA blood isn't any harder

[sick sentinel]

Blood just plays so unbelievably slow

[chilly brook]

Get hit with a big hit and death strike right after

[sick sentinel]

The globals feel terrible

[maiden ravine]

Or maybe I just enjoy essences more than I did just consumption

[chilly brook]

You also waste 85% of your runes to refreshing Bone Shield stacks

[fossil sparrow]

bone shield requires runes now?

wow

[chilly brook]

Marrowstrike or w/e it's called requires runes to use

Which gives you stacks

[fossil sparrow]

never really played a dk, only played one casually in mop, but that was ages ago

probably make one when allied races are available

[sick sentinel]

Marrowrend griff get it right

[chilly brook]

My b

[sick sentinel]

Stupid class bad ability

Give AMS to prot

[fossil sparrow]

How shit is r1 nullfication?

[sick sentinel]

I demand it

[fossil sparrow]

compared to like r3 lucid?

[sick sentinel]

Bad

[mortal brook]

null is crap until r3

[chilly brook]

R1 null is omegalul

[fossil sparrow]

crates take ages =/

[sick sentinel]

Like don’t consider using null until r3 bad

You can buy the crates

[chilly brook]

Crates are ez

You can buy them

[fossil sparrow]

buy them?

[sick sentinel]

Buy the parts on AH

Go to daily

[chilly brook]

Or you can go farm them

[fossil sparrow]

OH

[sick sentinel]

Create junk

Profit

[chilly brook]

Go to custom groups and there are spare parts farms

[sick sentinel]

Did it on my alt before blizzard punished me for playing the game

[chilly brook]

1 hour and boom you're gucci

[fossil sparrow]

welp, raid in 10mins, guess i'm running what feels like a squishy azerite combo

[chilly brook]

Tbh you run Null for dps

@fossil sparrow what azerite do you have?

[fossil sparrow]

aegis just feels ..bad

[sweet summit]

use sphere then

[fossil sparrow]

r2 cns as I'm lazy

[maiden ravine]

CNS or if you have melee running it, worldvein

[chilly brook]

Tbh I'd drop aegis in favor of something else like sphere in raid

Or even CoF tbh

[fossil sparrow]

was thinking anima as it feels like I have no health 👀

[sweet summit]

no

[mortal brook]

feels is all anima does

[fossil sparrow]

674k feels giga squishy 🤔

[mortal brook]

empty minor

extra bursting dmg

[sweet summit]

anime 📈
anima 📉

[mortal brook]

gone when you need it

[fossil sparrow]

I've not tanked normal, let alone heroic which is tonight

[mortal brook]

you're more than fine

[maiden ravine]

If your group is well geared, heroic will be fine

[mortal brook]

more health isnt what warrs need

or how they operate

[chilly brook]

Heroic is ez

[fossil sparrow]

guild is like 10/12h

[mortal brook]

that's like tanking off an hps meter for a proactive armor tank

[fossil sparrow]

only 1 mythic guild on the server

[chilly brook]

Just make sure you SR the second breath from Wrathion @fossil sparrow

[maiden ravine]

They'll tell you when to taunt and you'll be good

[chilly brook]

And you'll be gucci

[fossil sparrow]

starting at drest

[maiden ravine]

Oh, ah haha

[fossil sparrow]

only joined yesterday after yesterdays raid so

missed the first half

[chilly brook]

Drest is ez

Just taunt when your other tank has debuff

Dont get hit by bad

[ionic fern]

You just described 99% raid fights.

Good job.

[chilly brook]

And drop debuff on tentacles

Its not my fault blizz is consistent @ionic fern

[ionic fern]

😂

[chilly brook]

This is why tanks in mythic prog get bored cuz we have the same fight essentially every time outside of positioning

So we're like "what's going on why cant these dummies get it?"

[ionic fern]

++++

[still pagoda]

pretty much

[north axle]

hey y'all

[chilly brook]

Hi

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Tankian?utm_source=addon

am i doing this right?

dunno if my azerite and essences are right

[chilly brook]

For what

Raiding? M+?

[sick sentinel]

mythic

[chilly brook]

And I cant see your traits

Mythic raiding?

[sick sentinel]

Get rid of touch of the everlasting

Replace with formless void of someone in your group is using crucible of flame or strength of the warden if you need corruption resistance

[chilly brook]

We also have the essences you should run as well as the traits you should aim for in #268491842637660160

[north axle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/nfwgtd

any suggestions?

[left hatch]

CC on your helm is bad, Elemental Whirl is much better (or heck even blood siphone is better)

sigil of warding is a flat garbage trinket

your enchants and gems are all over the place

Haste gems/chants and Force multiplier on wep is the ideal

Incite the Pack on shoulders is superior to callous reprisal

im assuming this is just your raid loadout but just in case Deva is a bad talent for M+ and youd wanna swap around your neck for VoP Major with CnS, Lucid and either Sphere or SoTW

and if you have CnS itll do better for you in raid than VoP mino

and just popping your best maut kill into wow analyzer you have a lot of rotational issues

[flint birch]

any1 tried lash of void for prot warrior in m+???

[potent anvil]

It's good. Not as good as TD for aoe, better in ST.

[left hatch]

your SS and Tclap arn't being used on cd, Avatar is sitting off cd for awhile

heck you even wasted casts of CoF major, if you run it gotta remember to hit it (:

and if yo'ure concerned about your dps, having your cloak at 8 is a big loss

and you should make it your top priority to boost it to 12 asap for the str proc

(with the side benefit of vision spam lets you fish for better corruptions than the wrathion weapon which is very lackluster)

oh yikes you also have a ton of downtime

which ig some can be expected with running Deva, but it seems a lot of those empty globals SHOULD be being filled with SS and Tclap and arn't

your skittra and wrathion kills refelct these same issues

not using your CD's on CD and having empty gcds when you could be slamming and clapping

and even if dps isn't your top priority, doing these things on cd is core to your survivability too via rage gen

[sick sentinel]

Honestly if I were you I’d run vop major

[left hatch]

yeh theres no benefit to CoF major if you don't use it

and VoP will give you one less button to worry about hitting

[north axle]

yikes, just returned because of the virus, i had these for one month

going to repair them all right now

[left hatch]

the biggest thing honestly is to always be casting

if you wanna focus on improving 1 thing at a time focus on that

[north axle]

first things first

where should i start?

[left hatch]

like i said ABC. if SS or Tclap is off cd

you hit that right away

same for free revenges if you have nothing else to cast

also good to get in the habit of using Avatar the moment it comes off cd

[sweet summit]

why is there a whitename here

what

[left hatch]

its a huge conrtibution to your rage gen, which makes every other CDs a lot lower

[north axle]

going to work on those this week

will update!

[still pagoda]

pugs are so nitpicky nowadays

seriously

all +7 and higher keys - DECLINE

even though i'm in 445 and basically invincible in +6 by now

i understand reasoning behind nitpicking in keys higher then 13

but man

[stark ruin]

well, if you don't have a better rio toon, it can be hard

sadly that's how people work...

[still pagoda]

it even shows my 1.5k from season 2(reaping, which was really fun as a mage)

[stark ruin]

I agree that it's stupid, but it is what it is

[still pagoda]

but again, it is awakening rn. Even though it is not active until +10

[stark ruin]

boost your own key, maybe join a discord or two and find keys there

[still pagoda]

ye

thanks for advice

[stark ruin]

so you build the rio

when you get higher, it'll be much, much easier

[still pagoda]

i usually did keys with my friends back in Legion(as a tank back then) and early BfA

[maiden ravine]

are you doing it as a warrior?

[still pagoda]

yup

on my warrior that i've literally took out of a 2 year slumber on this Sunday

[maiden ravine]

odd, I got invited to 7s pretty easy as a tank, and it's even easier to use your own key so you can be picky about dps

[still pagoda]

RU/EU servers

[stark ruin]

maybe do a key in all dungeons

[still pagoda]

pugs are cancerous here...

[stark ruin]

that'll help with rating quick

not that bad, honestly

[still pagoda]

heh

[stark ruin]

I pug low-ish keys on ungeared alts, and when I'm lucky I get to tank a boost group

[maiden ravine]

the Russian server might have a role too

[stark ruin]

well, russian is rough

[still pagoda]

Гордунни-EU(RU)

[stark ruin]

do you have a name in cyrillic?

alliance?

[still pagoda]

second biggest Alliance server on EU

[stark ruin]

Gordunni is the RU alliance hub, right?

right

[still pagoda]

добро пожаловать в ад!

[stark ruin]

I don't speak Russian

[still pagoda]

welcome to hell*

[stark ruin]

I just can read the letters

well, eu-alliance is bad

as in, harder than horde

[still pagoda]

RU-alliance is somewhat of a dying thing

[stark ruin]

also, a russian name is often a no-go

[still pagoda]

yea

i remember early BfA

[stark ruin]

quite frankly, I rarely invite russians just because of communication problems

it's often a coin toss

[still pagoda]

a lot of EU groups were literally putting "No Russians" in description

[stark ruin]

maybe try a name written in latin?

[still pagoda]

well

[stark ruin]

that would help immediately

no kidding

[still pagoda]

i was thinking of moving over to English-speaking servers

[stark ruin]

that too

sylvanas, ravencrest, outland I guess

[maiden ravine]

I admit I do the same in NA with the Spanish and Portuguese realms.

[stark ruin]

if you want to stay alliance

[still pagoda]

Russian ally side is pretty damn stale nowadays

[stark ruin]

alliance is stale in EU in general

which is a pity

[still pagoda]

shitton of guild/raid dramas everywhere, constantly crumbling raid teams and other shit

[stark ruin]

because dark irons exist

[still pagoda]

the only time i had no drama was during spring and summer of 2019

[stark ruin]

as I said, run a round of keys, and try to build a friend list or join a discord for pugging

[still pagoda]

and it was a time of me actively pulling mythic Mechatorkue with the guild i was in back then

[stark ruin]

it's usually better than random pugs

[still pagoda]

definitely

thanks for advice xD

[stark ruin]

no worries

best of luck

[spice garnet]

does the reckless fury trait on azerite work as prot? like with devestator

[potent anvil]

Yes

[spice garnet]

awesome ty

[daring marlin]

Filthy russkies

ducks

[wicked orchid]

Should I take a Bloodsport trait over a Brace for impact?

[left hatch]

never

Bloodsport is the worst prot specific trait

to the point every generic traits but ruinous bolt is better than it

[wicked orchid]

Ahh, ok. Thanks!

[hallow phoenix]

Idk I'd take BS over some of the PvP traits

Like the gain max health one

Probably only that one actually

[maiden ravine]

would null barrier proc damage from bursting?

[fleet mica]

at what point is too much haste for prot? O.o

[sharp night]

it does kyle

there's no such thing as too much haste

[undone sun]

No reachable thing as too much

[south lantern]

Would you run 59 corruption this week?

This week is awful in m+

[left hatch]

yup

59 is still plenty safe

[south lantern]

How do you deal with 2-3 things from beyond spawning att same time?

bad rng with that?

Hard to not die.. especially if hairy pull

[left hatch]

Shockwave, Stormbolt, Spell Reflect, Heroic Leap, Intercept, just eat one

and spawning 3 at a time is a rare occurance

consistently been running above 40 since second week of patch and iv seen it happen maybe once a week if that

[mortal brook]

fear shout and blame Thing! no one cares! 😄

[last mason]

how does the rng engi trait stack up to a 3rd bom

are they close in value or is bom way better

[left hatch]

a BoM/DC helm at 475 beats out engi helm by a lot

[last mason]

kk

yea i was looking at engi helm vs nzoth helm

[left hatch]

thats... really close

id lean towards heroic nzoth helm

and then save up for Abyssal malevolence helm from vendor

[last mason]

do you guys always prio haste in m+, or do any of you take pref crit after a certain amountof haste

[maiden ravine]

grr, salty when dps don't kill bloods in KR despite a druid using Ursol's and there being snares.

Yet when I don't see the one they drop RIGHT around the corner of the pillar, tank is the problem

[left hatch]

defensively haste will almost always be the best stat to stack

some ppl start gemming crit for damage purposes, but at that point you have to sim whats better for dps

[maiden ravine]

nothing pisses me off more than lazy dps

[last mason]

@left hatch do they start gemming crit based off sims, or just on feels based off them beeing comfortable with defensive uptime

[left hatch]

once you start feely comfy you sim yourself

and if regemming/chanting for anything else is an upgrade

[sick sentinel]

Anyone use CoS Major for necro? or found any usage in keys

[last mason]

@left hatch how much raw haste do u have?

[left hatch]

before ITF? like... 30some% irrc

but im not bohering to regem because the swap to full crit gems for me is miniscule

[mortal brook]

if any 30% slow exists then cns major is overridden. its pretty unreliable depending o nyour group

[left hatch]

beyond it being unreliable you flat out don't need it

you have more than enough tools to reset stacks

and if you have enough crit or .. say a butchers block trinket it further trivializes necrotic

and you benefit more from taking the objectively stronger (in most cases) offensive and defensive power of VoP

[stiff gate]

as far as pushing keys 20+, i see a lot of the top tanks enchanting/gemming half haste half versa, what's the logic in how much haste/versa they want? i know there's no hard haste breakpoint, but is there a point where more haste becomes less valuable than versa for surviving keys

specifically Nerftank, he's #1 for prot warriors atm and has versa gems in his legs, one ring, and both trinkets, but haste gems in the other ring and his shield, enchanting haste on rings and quick nav on weapon, so im just unsure why

[left hatch]

there gets to a point where they start needing verse to survive 1-shots

but that doesn't happen till 24+

ish

as for quick nav i have no idea

force multiplier has higher uptime and more stats

[hidden plaza]

When picking between formless and SotW is it the people in the group with on use or more the cd of the on use or both?

[left hatch]

in raid its always Void

[hidden plaza]

M+ sorry

[left hatch]

in M+ if theres 1 CoF Void is the pick

if theres a bunch of like iris' its more feely crafty

you can ask nicely for them to stagger packs, in which case void is good

[hidden plaza]

got a BotE and iris

[left hatch]

and the other 2?

[hidden plaza]

passive

[left hatch]

probably sotw then

[hidden plaza]

or talk them into on use 🙂

[left hatch]

eh formless isn't a massive gain

to make someone run an inting major

[hidden plaza]

with being lazy and only having r2 CnS and going vop major and sotw what are the other 2 sphere and something?

[left hatch]

lucid

[hidden plaza]

and swap lucid once i have cns r3?

[left hatch]

swap sphere

ig this week specifically swap lucid

but every other lucid>sphere

[hidden plaza]

ty

[buoyant walrus]

should i be going devestator or booming voice?

[warm plinth]

For what content?

[buoyant walrus]

mythic+

[brittle owl]

look at the tooltips

and ask yourself that question, in your head, a few times

i believe you'll find the answer straightforward

[warm plinth]

Devastator only does anything on single target. You rarely fight single targets in M+

[left hatch]

BV

[warm plinth]

So you want BV 🙂

[left hatch]

deva seems like it might be better defensively causeit seems like it would give more SS's and therefore more rage

BV has more rage gen as well

so even defensively deva is the inferior choice

[terse dragon]

@stiff gate I think Nerf is gemming some Vers because he has very high haste with Vita+Wrathion Trinket. He probably feels that he can play comfortably around 2300 haste, but will gain more defensive value with the extra 200 vers.

[dawn jasper]

If you snap the middle pack of AD, does the Dino still charge? And does it charge the tank? Just wondering it there's the risk it'll throw me off the side before I try 😅

[sweet summit]

It does not charge

Just like the saurids dont jump

[amber siren]

the charge and the saurids go towards a random ranged player that isn't its main threat target, since the terrain around the snap points are considered illegal terrain, they can't reach the ranged targets and won't attempt to use those abilities

[sweet summit]

As long as a boomkin doesnt drop trees on you when youre snapping youll be fine 🤡

[ocean dock]

How do you guys decide to get lots of AoE dps for M+ on azerite traits? Assuming raidbot doesn't work well

[ionic fern]

Wdym raidbots doesn't work well?

[ocean dock]

Well, can it calculate certain traits like Iron Fortress? Since its calculating only dmg to mobs/bosses, not when tanking mobs right?

And Crystalline Carapace?

Im not sure if those traits would work in raidbot since it require mobs to hit them to activate

[ionic fern]

You do get hit in sims. 👀

[ocean dock]

Oh

Ok, never mind

[ionic fern]

Non the less both of those traits are bad dps wise.

The biggest contributor for your aoe damage will be BoM and DC.
The most "optimal" setup would be 3xBoM/1xDC/2xHoD.

[ocean dock]

Currently using DC x2, BoM x2, HoD x1 and CR x1

[ionic fern]

Other good ones to look for are Unstable Flames,Overwhelming Power,Meticulous Scheming,Clockwork heart

CR is bad. Stacking DC is also not optimal since you preferably only want one of them.

[ocean dock]

Ok yeah, I'll ditch CR for another HoD

Can't do much for other azerites, no other available options

[still pagoda]

i have 2xBoM, 1xBS, 1xDC, 1xIF and 1xCR

at least for now

[ocean dock]

If I want to ditch one DC, I'll have to take either CR or Iron Fortress

[still pagoda]

not optimal, but works fine

[ocean dock]

Would those trait works better than an extra DC?

[sick sentinel]

IF is good

Good defensive value

[ocean dock]

Ok, thanks!

[cosmic canyon]

how does the SB / Mastery interaction work? Mastery stack on top of SB, allowing for critical blocks? or is mastery a meh stat ?

[distant crystal]

yes it gives crit blocks during sb

yes it's a rather meh stat

[sweet summit]

Mastery is meh because BoM exists

BoM gives you enough mastery

[cosmic canyon]

full name?

[sweet summit]

Bastion of Might

Azerite trait

[still pagoda]

TD with necrotic and 3 melee DPS who don't really do damage is a fucking chore

[distant crystal]

speaking of, got a masterful piece from cache this week

but ofc my mage will never see any of that from cache >:|

[sweet summit]

[hasty quest]

Hey guys! Got question for you, when it’s time to switch full versa instead of full haste?

[alpine shard]

+22~

[distant crystal]

when you're doing super high keys and you're missing timer without even wiping/scuffing anything

[sweet summit]

When youre dying even tho you played "perfect". like +23/+24, possibly even higher keys

[hasty quest]

Does it helps also on 17-19 keys?

[hallow phoenix]

Not really no

Vers stacking also means vers% or vers proc corruptions, and in 17-19s you're better off with TD

[hasty quest]

Thanks guys!

So let’s go full haste:)

[hallow phoenix]

Nothing wrong with a vers piece if it's your highest ilvl tho

ilvl still king outside of corruptions

[autumn pendant]

Imagine if there was % increased HP corruptionň

and you would pair it with TD

👀

[sweet summit]

Do you mean mastery% 🐻

[strong forum]

It would have to be bigger than TD to make any sense

[autumn pendant]

No

[sick sentinel]

bears get increased health with mastery?

[strong forum]

Yes

[autumn pendant]

I mean HP % increase

😄

I am unfamiliar about bear memes

[strong forum]

Bear gets increased health pool and healing taken with mastery

[autumn pendant]

nice

[strong forum]

But it scales very poorly

[autumn pendant]

What are their good corruptions?

[strong forum]

Same as every other tank

[sweet summit]

Td

[autumn pendant]

No leech?

🙂

[sweet summit]

👀

[autumn pendant]

I got 8% leech on my BDK

👀

[strong forum]

I too have gotten a cleanse before

[sweet summit]

Leech doesnt increase/work with DS healing tho

Or does it?

[strong forum]

I would say leech double dips for self healing tanks

But it's still garbage

[autumn pendant]

Pff

just watch me brekaing the meta

with power of leech

[sick sentinel]

people have done leech builds since forever

it's dogshit lol

[sweet summit]

Lucid is only good because of the leech 🤡

[amber siren]

[sick sentinel]

Lucid being good because of the leech :4head:

[jolly thistle]

TD scales with vers and crit too

No need to stack hp

[sweet summit]

Haste too

[hallow phoenix]

Last stand is an offensive cd

[sweet summit]

I actually use LS as an offensive CD as 3rd tank on vex in p2

[hallow phoenix]

Yeah in raids I'll pad with it

Like on hivemind

Rally too to the dismay of my healers

[sweet summit]

Yeh

[jolly thistle]

Junkyard last boss, shout + last stand and 🙏

[hallow phoenix]

Can actually time LS usage on raden to have it every time adds are up

It's amazing

[formal meadow]

which essences for M+ (around 10-15), Raid (Heroic, maybe mythic) and Visions?

[sweet summit]

VoP major for m+
CoF major for raids/visions

CnS/Lucid/Aegis(m+ or visions)/Sphere(m+/visions)/void(raids/m+)/warden(m+/visions)/null(raids) [VoP minor for raids if you have CoF major]

Pick 3 minors, only 1 corruption resistance one void>warden if you have someone with CoF major in the group

[hallow phoenix]

Should just start copy pasting that

Don't use sphere in raid tho

[sweet summit]

Did i miss anything else?

[hallow phoenix]

I think that pretty much covers it

When do I use touch of the dying major

[sweet summit]

You dont 👀

[hallow phoenix]

Wrong. When you are doing trash in raids and want to scare your healers

[sweet summit]

Wasting tomes

[hallow phoenix]

Spam sit

[sweet summit]

xD

[hallow phoenix]

Does strength of the warden major increase TD damage

[sweet summit]

Yes

I think so at least

[hallow phoenix]

Might try to snipe a parse on hivemind

[sweet summit]

Its not like avatar, so i assume its all damage like fang/corruption procs etc

[hallow phoenix]

6 seconds of glory

Ooh fang is a good idea

[sweet summit]

Yes, finally a use for my 475 fang

How does warden major work with BoP btw. Do i use warden before i get BoP'ed or do i have to use it after?

[hallow phoenix]

People do that?

[sweet summit]

Idk, its something ive been wondering for a while

[hallow phoenix]

They should still be forced to attack to for 6 seconds no?

Even if bop is second

[sick sentinel]

got another vers item lol

[sweet summit]

And after that i have to /cancelaura bop?

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/s56d5r

[formal meadow]

VoP major for m+
CoF major for raids/visions

CnS/Lucid/Aegis(m+ or visions)/Sphere(m+/visions)/void(raids/m+)/warden(m+/visions)/null(raids) [VoP minor for raids if you have CoF major]

Pick 3 minors, only 1 corruption resistance one void>warden if you have someone with CoF major in the group
@sweet summit which 3 minors do you nromally use for each?

I don't have enough knowledge to decide between so many

[hallow phoenix]

R3 vers proc is so much

[sweet summit]

CnS+Lucid+Warden, as i play with a paladin and they dont have CoF major. M+ ^

CnS+VoP/Void+Null in raids

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/s56dv6

all these pieces are vers

[hallow phoenix]

460 shield ew

[sick sentinel]

I have 4 475 shields

[sweet summit]

And just the m+ ones for visions

[sick sentinel]

shield doesn't matter

when you have 45% vers

increase

[autumn pendant]

Well it kinda does still 😄

But you cant beat my

450 shield

[sick sentinel]

No

it really doesn't matter much

vers makes so much DR on top of the physical threshold it's funny

[hallow phoenix]

Did you buy shields

[sweet summit]

WTB 475 shield

[sick sentinel]

mhm

[hallow phoenix]

I only have one 475 that I purified

:(

[sweet summit]

I play i get shield from ilgy on sunday

[hallow phoenix]

You'll get boots

[sweet summit]

🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

[hallow phoenix]

I want the helm

[sweet summit]

I want the helm for fury, and the shield for prot

I dont have bonus rolls anymore :/

[hallow phoenix]

Helm is good for parsing

BfI+bastion I think it is

Don't remember

[sweet summit]

Solid

[sick sentinel]

Is 2.6k haste baseline good

with expedient, 3 OPs, MS, vita and dragonscale

sphere

big haste

[hallow phoenix]

Could be higher

Need 2 MS

[sick sentinel]

2ms isn't that good

[hallow phoenix]

And 4 other vitas in your party

[sick sentinel]

Clockwork better

ok I'm at 2.8k now

[hallow phoenix]

Why wouldn't 2 MS be good 🤔

[sick sentinel]

mechagon shoulders just better

[hallow phoenix]

Both have UF right

What's the inner most traits

Rally thing vs bury the hatchet

Oh I guess the "gain a shield when surrounded by 4 enemies" might be better than bury the hatchet

[sweet summit]

Mecha shoulders doesnt have UF do they 🤔

[hallow phoenix]

They don't

It's elemental whirl and what looks like flat mastery?

[sweet summit]

Its ele whirl yeah

[hallow phoenix]

Just pushes kraken ahead in my mind

[sweet summit]

Yup

But mecha chest>ashvane

At least according to my feelycraft

[hallow phoenix]

I got Mecha chest from my very first gamble :>

[sweet summit]

Not jelly at all 🙂

[rocky linden]

With TD0 on prot, am I better sticking with fury for 5mask runs still? Or can they be done quickly enough without TD?

[sick sentinel]

I'd do it with fury

[rocky linden]

Had a feeling yeah thanks

[strong forum]

Whatever you're better at

Tbh

I feel way more comfortable doing visions as vdh than as havoc even though everyday is screaming havoc is easier.

[limpid zinc]

what pvp chest is best for prot?

[limpid summit]

is it true im aiming to be below 20 corruption in m+ as prot war ? and is the same true for raiding ?

[alpine shard]

Below 39 is very safe. Below 59 is fine if you can handle the TFB. Im currently running Twilight Dev r5 at 50 corruption, works perfectly fine.

[ebon hound]

Depends how comfortable you are with the dungeon and the affixes. waycrest/toldagor with sanguine would be the only time i'd consider going below 20. With all the constrictions on movement I don't need another to worry about.

[limpid summit]

alright thanks guys 🙂

[ionic fern]

Jep, fully depends on how comfortable you are. The below 20 is advisable for mostly new people just so they can ease into the class/corruptions etc and you can increase the corruption level until you find a comfortable spot for yourself.

[still pagoda]

pugs finally started taking me into +9's and higher
+9CR in time in my crappy gear
also, i have a question. Is CR absorb trinket any good?
220k absorb looks juicy by itself, though i don't know whether it is valid to trade mastery on use WQ trinket

[rocky linden]

CR?

[sweet summit]

Kings rest

And no, its not good

2 minute cd is too long

[still pagoda]

KR*

sorry xD

[sweet summit]

Depends, is there a big ilvl difference

[rocky linden]

Mchimba's?

I have a 475 with a socket that I've never once equipped

[still pagoda]

Depends, is there a big ilvl difference

35

[sweet summit]

Use it, thats a lot of mainstat

[still pagoda]

thanks for advice

[rocky linden]

At 35 ilvl advantage you can almost equip anything

[still pagoda]

except for sporepod

since it's trash

[rocky linden]

It still has strength though

[mortal brook]

So does plat plating

Doesnt make it usable

[brittle owl]

35 ilvl on sporepods vs other trinkets just might make it a decent choice offensively

sims would clarify though

[olive bay]

Is there a way to hotkey the world markers?

I'm going to tank for a normal run just to learn the tanking mechanics and I have no clue how to do those quickly

[strong forum]

/wm1
/wm2

And so on

That's the macro

[olive bay]

Ohh okay

So I just make macros and then assign it to a button? Perfect

[strong forum]

If you want to skip the placement rune thingy, just add [@cursor]

[olive bay]

perfect, thanks

[stark scroll]

If you have exorsus raid tools it has a useful little bar you can toggle that has them all on as well as buttons for clearing them, ready check pull timer and cancel pull timer.

[chilly brook]

You gotta love corruption

Especially when you have a good parse, look at it and check the difference between you and the top parse and the difference is that he had 30k of corruption based damage that you didn't

[sick sentinel]

Have you considered getting good corruption

Also good RNG

[chilly brook]

I have bad RNG

Really bad RNG

I got vita on my BrM

It's literally worse DPS wise for me than running Urchin and Edicts

And to make it even worse it could be considered worse survival wise as well than not wearing it

[olive bay]

Yeah, I'm just trying to get good at putting down markers on Skittra ASAP

[chilly brook]

@olive bay opie

[tame garden]

I'm so bad at that lol

[chilly brook]

Get opie

[tame garden]

Even with opie

[chilly brook]

Love that addon

[tame garden]

Ye it's great

[chilly brook]

Offload all my pulltimers, ready check, gear sets and consumables to one binding

Same with mounts

[formal meadow]

dragon and lingering right?

[sweet summit]

is that your only trinkets? are you doing keys high enough to warrant using LPS? even when its necrotic?

[formal meadow]

I haven't done keys this week besides underot 9

onyl trinkets I have

[sweet summit]

then yeah, shell+scale

try to get rezans gleaming eye from atal dazar and/or gore-crusted butchers block from waycrest manor

[formal meadow]

alright are those better?

[sweet summit]

they are very good trinkets compared to LPS in that key range

[formal meadow]

i see

gonna farm rezan

are those 2 the ones you recommend?

for trinkets?

[sweet summit]

> rezan=scale=block

[formal meadow]

i see

[flat jackal]

How do doubles proc in TD?

[sweet summit]

rng

[flat jackal]

Was on pace to time a 23 TD, but got fucked by 4 doubles in a row. What.

[sick sentinel]

Anyone ever go insane on nzoth and crush your raid with TD cause same

[flat jackal]

Pure RNG???

[sweet summit]

afaik yeah

[flat jackal]

Is there no trick or tip??

God dammit

[sweet summit]

ive tried so many time to do things different, but i cant find a pattern

[flat jackal]

It’s so stupid. The 2nd time I did that boss there was 0 doubles. Ugh

[mortal brook]

4s icd pve. beyond that its just typical rppm shenanigans

[sweet summit]

tol dagor

[blazing gale]

This week cns major is pretty good right?

[sweet summit]

TL;DR - VoP major

[still pagoda]

+10 SotS

for fuck sake

it is my first +10 this season

and it was a total pizdec of a run due to necrotic

[sweet summit]

SotS is fine with the new affix, lets you skip loads of un-wanted trash

[still pagoda]

1 minute over the timer

i skipped a lot with it

[sweet summit]

ooo thats close

[still pagoda]

bursting and necrotic is what was the main problem

[sweet summit]

pretty scary combination

[still pagoda]

at least that's a +10 weekly chest

at minimum

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

I actually like SotS

[still pagoda]

same

[chilly brook]

Except when you have dummies who dont know what a kick is on the second boss during Tyranical

[still pagoda]

but not on such affixes

at least we don't have fortified on top of this

[rocky linden]

SotS is pretty decent on 10+ where you can skip some of the shitter trash packs

[chilly brook]

Shrine Tyranical is way worse than Fort

[sturdy valve]

masterful r3 good right?

[chilly brook]

I dont see why it wouldn't be decent

[fossil sparrow]

is there a better way to get galvanic oscilators in mechagon?

or is it just the daily?

gimme my nullification

[still pagoda]

random drops from rares and chests

[mortal brook]

craftable now isnt it

[rain bolt]

what's the first essence i should buy for my shitty geared warrior, will be spamming m+ for gear

[fossil sparrow]

VoP?

[rain bolt]

i can get that in 1day tho

[fossil sparrow]

oh yeah, forgot it was easy

cns/dynamo

formless if you already have it

[strong forum]

Cns / lucid

Dynamo only if you plan to raid, otherwise its not a prio

Warden maybe

[chilly brook]

Null is actually ridiculous in raid

[strong forum]

Not as ridiculous as last raid

Cuz it doesn't scale very well

[chilly brook]

It was 4600 DPS on Maut for me

And you do literally nothing

It's such a free minor

[willow gust]

hello guys : what do u think of the shield from Junkyard? in +15, i have got the shield from Atal'Dazar right now ?

[strong forum]

You must have lotta vers then

[willow gust]

Should i carry the Junkyard one

?

[strong forum]

AD

The JY shield is the worst possible shield

[chilly brook]

14% damage increase without food @strong forum

[willow gust]

ok thx bro

[chilly brook]

But I'm also playing BrM so I'm kinda stacking vers

[strong forum]

Brm is cheating with null

They can get 100k+ nulls

Meanwhile my null as war is still less than 50k

[chilly brook]

Mine is somewhere in the 50s I think

What does null shield size scale off of anyways?

[strong forum]

Vers

[chilly brook]

Just heart level and vers?

[strong forum]

Idk if theres more

But I've seen monks get ridiculously high nulls and edicts

In EP

[hallow phoenix]

Don't they gain vers based on stagger size

[distant crystal]

haste

[hallow phoenix]

Oh

[chilly brook]

Nah its haste

And mastery

If you have training of nuizao traits

[hallow phoenix]

How do they get such huge nulls then

[strong forum]

Maybe mastery affects null for some reason

[distant crystal]

monk's have a passive called celestial fortitude

it makes heals and shields on you do more based on your crit rating

[chilly brook]

Chance equal to crit to have 65% of the healing added

[distant crystal]

fortune*

[strong forum]

So crit is what makes null so good

[hallow phoenix]

That's neat

[distant crystal]

for heals it shows up as a separate heal

for shields they just get bigger

[hallow phoenix]

Which for null would mean more damage

[strong forum]

Imagine having a class thing that makes non class things stronger

Great

[distant crystal]

bear mastery

vamp blood

[tame garden]

🙂

[strong forum]

Vamp blood is a CD, a mediocre one at that

Bear mastery scales like hot garbage

[tame garden]

😦

[hallow phoenix]

Dude speg is right there

It's ok speg

[chilly brook]

Wouldn't it be the same for bear?

Dont they have mastery that scales their healing received?

[tame garden]

Yes we get bigger nulls

Same interaction as monks

[hallow phoenix]

Smh

[chilly brook]

I apparently missed what nom said cuz I'm blind

I just wish I had better aoe as a monk 😒

I dont think theres a tank out there that does less aoe damage tbh, outside of DH but they have massive hp pools and TD

[mild river]

Question:I have 2 shields 460. One with 6% more haste and other a rank 1 inevitable truth (I don't know where name haha) which gives a 30% CD reduction. Which one is better defensively?

[hallow phoenix]

Haste

[mild river]

Ok thanks

[hallow phoenix]

Ineffable truth has garbo proc rate

[mild river]

Ah I see

Thanks :)

[hallow phoenix]

Does paladin do good aoe damage or something

[chilly brook]

Ofc

Pop seraphim

And even if you're not running seraphim your damage scales per mob

Because of talent

[hallow phoenix]

Last I checked their single target judgment is better than any ability until like 20 targets

I guess consecrate could do work

[chilly brook]

Technically their shield is nutty you just prioritize judgement because of SotR reduction

[mortal brook]

big dropoff after 3/4 mob count for tankadin. sotr and consc isnt any special dmg

[chilly brook]

Was talking avengers shield

[still pagoda]

ye

[mortal brook]

same dmg as a judge at 2 targets

the 20% armor on next sotr also isnt that big

[still pagoda]

i thought you was talking of SotR

[mortal brook]

like 2% more DR

[chilly brook]

Paladins have DR?

😛

[south spruce]

what traits are bis again?

iron fortress right

[sweet summit]

1x DC and 3x BoM are considered "bis"

[ivory barn]

hehe

[sweet summit]

but IF is a very solid defensive option

[south spruce]

what is BoM?

[sweet summit]

bastion of might

[south spruce]

Overwhelming Power, Unstable Flames or Azerite Veins?

[chilly brook]

Op

Op

Op

[sweet summit]

OP or UF
this week id rank UF over OP for m+ because of crit=parry - parry=no necrotic

[chilly brook]

Op

[south spruce]

you guys are fucking legends and let no one tell you otherwise ❤️

[chilly brook]

❤

[sweet summit]

❤️

[dark lark]

going to item restore a chest- 480 harpooner's (iron fort/bfi) or 480 arterial protection (bfi/blood rites). leaning arterial

[random urchin]

I like blood rites over IF

[strong forum]

Arterial is better

Dps wise

[hallow phoenix]

Blood rites can be very good

[still pagoda]

awakening is really fucking fun

especially in motherlode when i can finally skip all the exhausting trash

[sweet summit]

atal is the only dungeon thats kinda yikes with awakened pillar placement

[left hatch]

^ only dungeon that awakened made harder

[hushed cobalt]

Haven't tried the talent swap in ML (highest I've done is a 18 but rixxa is a harsh mistress).
Anyone know how much time to hearth out to the camp, swap talent, and zone back in?

[sweet summit]

like 30 seconds max

[left hatch]

a lot more if you're alliance

[sweet summit]

nah

alliance has a HS location right outside

[left hatch]

oh if yo'ure setting your hearth there sure

[sweet summit]

horde has a longer way to fly than ally

[left hatch]

im thinking from capital city

[sweet summit]

yeh

fair

[left hatch]

its only really worth it if other ppl in your group are doing it as well

to swap to ST essences/talents etc

[hushed cobalt]

O yeah, that makes sense

[glad plume]

hi, i have a question, should i take a 465 ilvl with Bastion of Might or 480 ilvl without ? i have only 1 Bastion of Might on my head, i dont found answer on google. How important is Bastion of Might ? must have for m+ ?

[sweet summit]

higher ilvl

[left hatch]

the only trait really worth any ilvl is your first DC

the only exception is if you were going from something bis like BoM+CH to something completely garbage like... BS+CR

[glad plume]

ok, thx alot ;D

so i go with ilvl 😄

[left hatch]

yeh

[sick sentinel]

Still in search of a 2400+ tank to push keys with if anyone is interested hit me up 👍🏼

[sweet summit]

might be good to know region and faction, but this is the wrong channel for that. that stuff goes in #promotion

[sick sentinel]

Did not know@there was a such channel thanks @sweet summit

[short apex]

yo, does prot have any sec stat breakpoints we should look for?

[sweet summit]

nope

[short apex]

im gathering some gear for offspec prot from fury and im currently looking at 31% haste without into the fray

[sweet summit]

thats not a lot

[short apex]

ya i still have too much crit on my gear from fury

[strong forum]

Stack the shit out of haste

[sweet summit]

there is no such thing as "too much crit"

[strong forum]

That's the only thing, crit isn't bad

[sweet summit]

unless you have 100% crit from gear

[short apex]

got the 35 haste corruption proc tho

with 4 fray stacks im at 47 haste now

welp, time to get more haste

[sweet summit]

not enough haste

[short apex]

ty for helping and ya, gotta get more haste

btw, how we feeling bout the haste prog raden trink?

ive read the proc rate is too bad to make it good

[sweet summit]

Vita is the best trinket available

hands down

void is trash tho

[short apex]

i got vita from hc with gemslot

[sweet summit]

big

use it

[worthy linden]

How good is vulpera racial for m+? Is it worth rolling vulpera for this purpose? Started playing again after BFD so I'm a bit out the loop

[short apex]

void normal mode

should i use both when raiding or nah

[sweet summit]

dont use void

only vita

[short apex]

guess the set effect is ass then?

[sweet summit]

@worthy linden races are all looks tbh. a nose for trouble is good, but not gamebreaking

set effect only works in the raid and inside obelisks

and last boss SotS for some reason

also if you fight an obelisk with last boss

but its not enough to warrant using void

[short apex]

ya thats why i asked if set effect is good if in raid

[ivory barn]

It's not

[short apex]

but i guess i should go for maut/nzoth trinket?

[worthy linden]

Vita and humming black dragon scale?

[short apex]

thats what im running rn @worthy linden

[ivory barn]

Go Vita/ (rezan/humming/block)

[stiff oracle]

but i guess i should go for maut/nzoth trinket?
@short apex nzoth if you NEED a shield trink

If not go haste

[short apex]

aight guess im pretty set on trinkets then

[sweet summit]

+ 👁️ =

[ivory barn]

I have tank trinkets to absorb niche mechanics and that's it

[short apex]

aight ty!

kast question, is wrathion sword bait or nah

last

[ivory barn]

It's ok, but only good if you don't have other corruption

[stiff oracle]

I made the mistake of running nzoth trinket the moment i got it. I feel infinitely much more tankier with 2x haste trinkets.

[short apex]

only have haste and mastery proc for corruption in prot spec

[sweet summit]

its decent

general rule of thumb for corruptions

are

damage procs>stat procs> stat %

[short apex]

so unitl i get td i should go for wrathion sword

if i get it someday 😦

[sweet summit]

yeh, good plan

[ivory barn]

With that logic haste % is better than TD/EV tho Ros

[sweet summit]

how

[ivory barn]

Oh wait... I'm dumb I read that backwards

[sweet summit]

xD

[stiff oracle]

[ivory barn]

My EV is better than my TD tho due to ilvl of the EV pieces being like 50ilvl higher

[stiff oracle]

Eew

[ivory barn]

R7 EV vs. R3 TD

[left hatch]

ehhh

if like 1 or 2 pieces were 50 ilvls lower

point for point TD ranks will still win

at least for M+

[ivory barn]

1 of the TD is 410 all EV pieces are 430+

[left hatch]

st EV is a bit better in general

yah that 20 ilvl difference is meaningless

TD doesn't scale with ilvl

so you arn't losing much

[mild ore]

abyssal malovelence is giga bis helm right?

[left hatch]

unless you plan on doing mythic carapace/nzoth

yes

[mild ore]

thinking about m+

[left hatch]

right

[mild ore]

oh

you meant

helm from nzoth?

[left hatch]

yeh

is better

[mild ore]

oh im dumb af

but yeah