protection

[tawny maple]

I always think about running my 475 bike with a socket though...

[dark lark]

465 vers mastery pants with r1 surging vitality, or 475 crit haste pants (from maut)

basically, is surging vitality worth 10 ilvls

[ivory barn]

with Vexiona when do I hit Spell Reflect with Despair?

before it goes of or before its applied

because im been casting it with 3s left on the debuff and something else is eating it

[dark lark]

@ivory barn ive heard you use it before it goes off

[mortal brook]

as its about to expire

[ivory barn]

im hitting it AS it is about to expire

and its being nuked onto the raid still

[regal star]

hey guys what essences should i use for raid? also would i just use m+ azerite pieces still?

[mortal brook]

yes same az pieces

cof major

[regal star]

awesome that makes it easier and so just swap VoP major to CoF?

I feel like I should use Null as a minor somewhere aswell?

[mortal brook]

null strong for most fights yes

cns formless null solid minor set

[exotic spoke]

Some places yes . Null is more for dps but steve is correct. There are mythic fights where we have to be more defensive (depending on the situation / strat) but CoF is strong dps Major

[regal star]

ok awesome ill use those, are talents the same? i just use the essences then sim for dps?

[exotic spoke]

Honestly I run those the minors steve listed and CoF or vision Major usually

@mortal brook you did vexiona yet as prot?

[mortal brook]

yes

but the other prot

[exotic spoke]

Oof

Traitor

[mortal brook]

🤷

[sick sentinel]

More like keksiona amirite

[regal star]

ok awesome thanks should i just run the same talents?

[exotic spoke]

I’m just add tank there.

Our raid comp was fucked for our first kill a few weeks ago

[sick sentinel]

Yeah i just run around like a monkey thunder clapping

[exotic spoke]

BrM / prot war with double rdruid, rsham, hpriest

[regal star]

sounds good haha

[last mason]

What do you value more, mecha haste proc ring set, or two crit haste rings

[sick sentinel]

Ilvl and sockets matter

But prob two haste crit rings

[last mason]

No sockets, second crit haste ring is 5 ilvls higher but that’s not big

[sick sentinel]

ring set isn’t real big either. Also depends what rings to proc the haste you have

[last mason]

The 3 different abilities one

So it’s pretty easy to proc

But also 156 haste isn’t big either

[ivory barn]

this is tilting AF, going over logs in literally a .0000005s cast difference in the 7 pulls we did

and the first 4 pulls reflected the Despair the last 3 didnt

[lusty grotto]

@exotic spoke

so i kinda just got

on a random nya

probably gonna sell

[exotic spoke]

Be a shame if you sent it to Notriki-sargeras

[lusty grotto]

sure, for 650k

[exotic spoke]

Ha!

[warm plinth]

Or Kordukai-Tichondrius

[exotic spoke]

I won’t even pay 650k for a shield

[ivory barn]

or, have spell reflect work on Vexiona like its supposed ot...

[lusty grotto]

lets see how much its going for here

tsm says 688k region avg value

[warm plinth]

I will take it fo free

Let's go

[lusty grotto]

ghash

you have done

0

keys with me

0

youre always busy

[warm plinth]

I can't help that sir

[lusty grotto]

zero

ive been writing down the excuses

[exotic spoke]

TSM says regional average. But it doesn’t work on items like that

[warm plinth]

lol!

[lusty grotto]

lets see here

[exotic spoke]

Because corruption isn’t tracked

[lusty grotto]

"running some random brawl who i forgot to write the name down"

[warm plinth]

Yeah, things like Undermine/TSM are only looking at other 460 BoEs of that item

[exotic spoke]

I’d be shocked if you got 400k for those

Not T3 and no tertiary. Sockets are meh imo - cause everything will get socketed

[lusty grotto]

there's a 12% versa for 500k here lmao

im just gonna put it up for 700k

fuck it

if it sells it sells, i still need longboi

[ivory barn]

Nimchip you've done M Vex right?

[exotic spoke]

Ha!

[lusty grotto]

im not a raider

[exotic spoke]

He’s washedupchip

[ivory barn]

😢

[lusty grotto]

ive only done full heroic

[ivory barn]

well, is the same mechanic have you reflected Dispair on her properly?

[lusty grotto]

hmm

wouldn't it be better to just check logs

see debuffs on her, see if despair applies

[ivory barn]

I posted a log in #449510248579858432 about this crap

[lusty grotto]

did you check our reflectable sheet?

[exotic spoke]

I don’t get despair cast on me - sorry!i

[ivory barn]

yeah

[exotic spoke]

What’s your other tank?

[ivory barn]

Bdk

[exotic spoke]

Interesting.

I knew a BDK once

[lusty grotto]

what are those

[exotic spoke]

Dead to me

[lusty grotto]

shit i actually forgot the name of the guy

[exotic spoke]

Who?

[lusty grotto]

ah

i remembered

Levko

token bdk

asks if wow is good yet every time

[sharp raptor]

Hey guys, question about prot warrior for drest'agath

do they just suck for the debuff?

or do our healers suck at healing my co-tank?

[mortal brook]

pure magic dmg

[sharp raptor]

oh I know

so how do you handle it?

[mortal brook]

he will need to make sure that a healer is in range. if healers arent in range, yell at em

[sharp raptor]

externals/personals/trinket every time or...?

[mortal brook]

aye try to cycle

[sharp raptor]

last few pulls we jus thad it where I was always running the debuff but damn that's stressful

[lusty grotto]

i wonder, is it possible to get td3 on non-mythic gear

like 5 mask gear

[sharp raptor]

for me it's only possible on non-mythic gear

I have it on a 430 piece

[lusty grotto]

you have td3 on it?

[sharp raptor]

yep

[lusty grotto]

ok ok

ty

i will probably never get another TD piece

just by getting that boe

but fuck it, i want longboi

[main shoal]

Whats better?

[mortal brook]

left one

right one's equip is garbage

[main shoal]

really is it that bad?

[warm plinth]

Is that the mecha shield?

[main shoal]

ye

[warm plinth]

Yes, the only time you use it is if it's your highest ilevel

[main shoal]

kk

[dark lark]

465 vers mastery pants w/ r1 surging vitality, or 475 crit haste pants (from maut)

in other words, is r1 surging vitality worth 10 ilvls?

[sick sentinel]

No

Unless you don’t have any corruption for some reason

Then maybe

[dark lark]

i can swap out an essence to get me back to 30 corruption

[sweet summit]

Yes

[amber siren]

you typically want to be running formless void/warden anyway

[dark lark]

Well I'm saying I can swap out warden to increase my corruption back up

[sweet summit]

Unless you dont have any filler corruptions, yes do it

[onyx vessel]

1hr 26min atal 15 with my guild end me

[mortal brook]

how much they pay

[onyx vessel]

nothing

...............

i got tilted so i did i dont give a fuck route

healer couldnt heal me thru the dot

on rezan

[sick sentinel]

I mean you can just prep for that dot with different cds

[still pagoda]

1hr 26min atal 15 with my guild end me

[tame garden]

[amber siren]

i spent 90 minutes in siege once bcs our guild tank couldnt understand the concept of staying in melee range and she kept gutshotting the party

felt good

🙃

lockwood or w/e her name is

[mortal brook]

what tank goes 'nah melee isnt for me'

[sick sentinel]

Sometimes dps need to get whacked

If they don’t they get upity

[amber siren]

it was necrotic iirc but couldnt quite get him to understand that leaving melee range wasnt an option for her

[icy badger]

How good is Jes' Howler for Prot? It's 20 ilvl higher than my other trink but that trink isd Rezan's eye and haste proc is nom

[amber siren]

it's pretty average, good part of the trinket is that it adds vers for the whole group but that's pretty much it

[mortal brook]

really low uptime compared to say, vita

10s every 2 minutes isnt great

[rigid sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/643200789338128387/702270652241019060/Capture.PNG

nice

[amber siren]

not even td5

smh

[rigid sinew]

all my td got rolled on pants

can wear 2 max as prot only

[amber siren]

[stiff oracle]

got sporepods 😩

[ebon hound]

f

[sick sentinel]

Morning, everyone. First of all, please excuse my approximate English (I am French-speaking). I have a question about the item I just had in my weekly chest . I received a 460 crit / mast ring that could possibly replace a 445 haste / crit ring. I will lose about 5% of haste if I equip the ring 460. I saw that ilvl was a priority statistic but now I need help. Thank you in advance.

(and sorry if I'm in wrong chan 😑)

[amber siren]

if it came from the weekly chest it should have a corruption effect as well that could help make a decision

[sick sentinel]

Yes, sorry. The corruption buff my mastery

[amber siren]

no need to apologise, im genuinely unsure though, thats a tough choice

ring stat priorities are a bit weird as a lot of the investment goes into stam rather than the secondary stats so the difference between the two isn't that big

the 445 would be better for dps for sure

i couldnt tell you if the vers/mast would pull ahead defensively

[jagged bane]

how is Severe II?

[mortal brook]

not bad, not TD

depends on how much crit you got lol

but not TD

[sweet summit]

Big belt for fury

[jagged bane]

how can i keybind Method Dungeon Tools to open up on a key

takes so long for me to click it

an thanks

i'm 430 ilvl lol

so big upgrade regardless

(got boosted)

[maiden ravine]

if you have nothing else, for sure use it

but don't be afraid to cleanse it for better corruption like TD

[sharp mauve]

hey so ive got a choice to swap these 2 items (https://i.imgur.com/l3yHJzx.png , https://i.imgur.com/8E2BdnA.png) with these items (https://i.imgur.com/x0Dt2h0.png , https://i.imgur.com/MIAQLLD.png). i know ilvl is important especially for weapons but as far as i know surging vitality is a rly good corruption on tanks, so i thought i take the better legs cause +30 ilvl and dont lose SV3 cause i swap the weapon too. obvioulsy that would mean i lose expedient which is rly good for tank cause haste so i think this is a rly hard choice.

[maiden ravine]

if it's not td, highest ilvl

masterful is pretty nice too for us honestly

[sick sentinel]

Not true

A lot of corruption you can drop ilvl for

[maiden ravine]

on weapons and pants?

[sharp mauve]

of course it is possible to sometimes drop ilvl but for tanks its especially painful cause lower pants ilvl means lower armor and lower weapon ilvl means a huge damage loss usually aint that right?

[jagged bane]

is there a way to reset my key?

i got a +14 from weekly coz i got boosted

and i want like a +2

lmao

[maiden ravine]

You can drop your key

[jagged bane]

like delete it?

what happens then

[maiden ravine]

But of you want to do lower keys, just join others

You can go into a dungeon, start it, and leave. That counts as failing the key and it'll lower the level by 1

What is the 14?

[jagged bane]

underrot

will it go down to 13 ur, then 12 ur, and so on>

or do i have to go round to diff dunges 12 times

[maiden ravine]

Hmm, you might be able to get that done this week just for completion if you're patient

If you aren't getting boosted again

Nah, it stays underrot until you complete the key

[sick sentinel]

https://prnt.sc/s3u9u4

Pog

got my final bis

[maiden ravine]

Congrats, you're done playing til shadowlands

[sick sentinel]

3 OPs, a HoD, MS. Vita and Dragonscale

every single piece I have has haste on it

mega

[frail finch]

Gentlemen, is Tradewinds a good trait? Don't see much info on it. Alternative pick is Iron Fortress.

[sick sentinel]

think tradwinds is better

tradewinds*

[maiden ravine]

Tw is mastery right?

[mortal brook]

yes

[amber siren]

yeah around 1k mast

[sick sentinel]

IF is better if you don't have a 475 shield

[maiden ravine]

Is there a block cap?

[sick sentinel]

yes but it's unreachable

err wait that's crit block

block cap yes

[maiden ravine]

I'd figure since we care about block so much that if would have a pretty consistent value as a trait

I wonder what 15 I'll try to time this week on my warrior. Junkyard maybe.

[late kestrel]

which one should i take ?

[amber siren]

hold onto both, cleanse the 470

[maiden ravine]

I have so much corrupted gear in my bags I'll likely never use

Warrior has 475 belts with Tendies, gushing, and expedient I think.

I use gushing on dps specs

Can't bring myself to cleanse the tendies

[daring bay]

Damn, glimps of clarity actually sounds kinda good. Why does it sim the lowest out of all the corruptions?

What of the thunderclap spam!

more than what it already is

[mortal brook]

because its basically just 1 tclap a minute

which in a sea of tclaps, there's prob better use for your corruption

can also get wasted on things without cds, like devastate

[daring bay]

Dont worry, i dont press devastate .)

But nah, i guess if its proccrate is that low then it prob sucks

[mortal brook]

ah my mistake

its 2rppm

but still

better options for your corruption budget

[late kestrel]

are you guys doing horrific visions as prot and which essences do you use ?

[sick sentinel]

cof major, regular minor stuff

and yes

[mortal brook]

cof major, totes doable

place scales to your role

[late kestrel]

what is "cof" again ? >.<

[mortal brook]

crucible of flame

[late kestrel]

oh yea

makes sense , thank you

[formal meadow]

which one?

[mortal brook]

socket, likely

[sharp rover]

How's the Wrathion weapon for prot?

[mortal brook]

the corruption is pretty middle of the pack

fine for what it does, but not TD

[sharp rover]

I've already got 75 corruption worth of TD, should I cleanse?

[formal meadow]

socket, likely
@mortal brook really? even with RP2?

[maiden ravine]

I do all visions as prot except alleria when I go arms cause dots make it faster

[graceful sapphire]

for azerite pieces: is it better to have a 450 piece with good traits or a 465 with literally shit traits?

[mortal brook]

resist will only go up, could run the TD and sword soon enough

but the TD is more value for sure

only drop ilvl on azerite if its for your 1 deafening crash

@formal meadow more than welcome to sim for the difference. itll be pretty close tho

[graceful sapphire]

so theoretically even if you have no BoM but at least keep one deafening you go for that assuming higher ilvl?

[mortal brook]

hate to see it but yup

[graceful sapphire]

alright, thanks

[sick sentinel]

For MM+ at 480 ilvl would you take ashvane or mecha chest ?

Ashvane probs

[rocky linden]

Whats the current thoughts on Mchimba's? Just got a 475 with a socket, I assume it's a pretty decent option for survival, but not great for dps?

[mortal brook]

correct, not a dps trinket. not even especially a good defense trinket, as LPS will pay off better. stat sticks like vita even, can be better, since vita is high hhaste for more rage gen, shield block and defensives uptimes, anger manangement, etc

it can have its uses tho, if like, theres a mechanic to soak on a 90s timer. dont think theres any of those this tier tho

[sturdy valve]

is it worth to equipt a 480 piece with horrible traits instead of a 460 piece, if I lose one bastion and deafening crash?

[rocky linden]

I sadly don't have any of those two though. I'm essentially running 460 Humming and 475 Vial atm

[mortal brook]

if its your only deafening crash you need to have a deafening crash

[daring bay]

Is there a way to see if you are getting hit in the back?

through warcraft logs or details?

[mortal brook]

there's a line for if you're hitting someone in the back for like, dagger in the back or backstab, but i dont think its anything trackable

not sarcastic comment but like, you can see if you're getting hit in the back by looking at character

[spare loom]

hello, fury warrior here thinking of switching to prot. Is it any good atm?

im m+ mostly

[strong forum]

It's top tier

[spare loom]

I've never tanked before

do I need to manage threat?

[strong forum]

If you press your buttons correctly, not really

Only bad tanks have aggro issues

[spare loom]

alright

I'll get some weakauras to help with that

[strong forum]

Si

You also head over to the icy-veins guide to read up on some stuff

[spare loom]

Will do

[hidden plaza]

So for m+ I have 465 rezan, block and 460 dragonscale, vita. Would I go with rezan/vita or is block still worth it?

[flint wraith]

Does bolster make necrotic not stack up? Due to blocking all attacks

[strong forum]

Nowadays I opt to go for double haste trinket, but on necrotic week the crit could be better

Blocking doesn't stop necrotic, blocking is dmg reduction, not a parry or dodge

[mortal brook]

only dodge/parry/moving slightly away prevents necro application

[mental scarab]

Super high crit this week 🥳🥳🥳🥳

[spare loom]

is prot warrior okay for leveling aswell?

[mortal brook]

totes. victory rush keeps ya goin

[spare loom]

alright great

[lunar merlin]

Whats the bis essences for nyalotha and mythic+

[strong forum]

Mentioned in the guide

[lunar merlin]

Which guide

[strong forum]

Icy veins

[hidden plaza]

Both dwarfs racials remove necrotic stacks it is just the main stat for DiD and norm dwarf forget what it does?

[strong forum]

Norm dwarf is 10% less physical dmg for its duration

[hidden plaza]

Ty

[maiden lake]

hi can someone please clarify for me what it means for the versatile corruption.. what does from all sources mean?

[mortal brook]

all things that grant secondary rating

haste trinket? totes. heroism? nope

[maiden lake]

means i get 8% more vers off all the other stats i own collectively? why doesnt it reflect in my stats?

[steep wraith]

The items themselves won't show more stats, but if you add them up and compare to your character sheet total they won't match

[maiden lake]

but if i have 0 vers for eg.. and i wear versatile i still have 0 vers

does the all sources means off my vers? or everything else collectively

[strong forum]

All of your vers

It does show in stats

If you have 100 vers, with 8% vers corruption, you will have 108 vers

It's not raw 8% vers, it's literally just 8% more of what you have

Simple math

If you have 2000 vers, with 8% vers corruption, you will have 2160 vers

That's all there is to it @maiden lake

[analog oyster]

What would be the better one for M+? Running as shoulders the maut mythic one and Mechagon 480 chest

[sweet summit]

ilvl

[analog oyster]

I tought maybe the 465 one wa sbetter bcs of overwelming and impressive vissage

[strong forum]

475

It's 10ilvl higher with DC and Bom

That's not even a debate

[spring zenith]

Do you guys find prot does a lot less damage than other tank classes?

[graceful sapphire]

Lmao what?

[sweet summit]

it does a lot more than any other tank mate

[spring zenith]

wat

ok I'm doing something wrong then

Whats the big damage dealer?

[graceful sapphire]

Half of the people playing prot switched from other tanks because they were doing 0 damage

[sweet summit]

thunderclap

[graceful sapphire]

Thunderclap during avatar

[spring zenith]

Hmmm

[sweet summit]

youre probably not pressing buttons

[spring zenith]

I could of swore I pressed some

[graceful sapphire]

It's mostly the combination of Unstoppable Force, Booming Voice and Anger Management

[spring zenith]

oo

let me try that then

[graceful sapphire]

Look up the guide

in #268491842637660160

[sweet summit]

o.O

[spring zenith]

Cool thanks

[sly parcel]

qwhat are the best trinkets?

[sweet summit]

rezan/vita/block/scale are great overalls

[sly parcel]

what is block fron?

from*?

[sweet summit]

waycrest

[amber siren]

gore crusted block from WM

[fringe ferry]

gushing wounds or racing pulse 3 for M+?

[strong forum]

That I would sim, given its 35 vs 15 corruption

[fringe ferry]

ya i did and racing pulse was better, but i know gushing is strong so wasnt sure

[strong forum]

Racing is better in aoe

GW is better on ST

[fringe ferry]

makes sense. thanks

the uptime on it is great

like 30%

[sick sentinel]

Which one of these pieces performs best in m+ / raid? 480 chest piece with Deafening Crash/Bastion of Might/Blood Siphon/Gemhide or a 465 with Deafening Crash/Heart of Darkness/Lifespeed/Visage?

[strong forum]

480

By miiiiles

[sick sentinel]

Using the 480 requires me to use another shoulder piece, whereas I lose 1 bastion of might

[strong forum]

Huh

Why would it

[sick sentinel]

Otherwise I'd have to stack double deafening crash

[strong forum]

So?

You'd lose 1 bom

[fringe ferry]

people run 3 deaening crsh a lot

[strong forum]

You don't aim to stack DC no, but if its the best you have

It's not bad

[sick sentinel]

Fair enough

[strong forum]

Also no salacha, people don't stack DC willingly anymore, it was a thing in s2, that's about it

[sick sentinel]

Yeah I figured, I was just wondering about the value of stacking double DC

It's pretty trash stacking it ye?

[strong forum]

There's better options

[sick sentinel]

Aye

[strong forum]

But it's not terrible

It's better than BS/CR

[sick sentinel]

For raid, I use the Lingering shell from heroic N'zoth. However, my secondary trinket can either be 460 Humming black dragonscale or 460 vita-charged titanshard

[fringe ferry]

huh thanks i saw it on a lot of top profiles even last season

[strong forum]

Use both vita + scale

That's because they're lazy/don't know better salacha

[sick sentinel]

Isn't the on use value from N'zoth trinket pretty big for prot warriors?

Especially in this magic damage heavy raid

[strong forum]

It's not really needed in raid outside of ilgynoth 2nd beam

If you feel like you need it sure use it

But it's not necessary

It's the only worthwhile defensive trinket leftover in the game

[sick sentinel]

Aye

Probably gonna use it on 2nd beam ilgynoth like you mentioned

[mortal brook]

LPS lines with every 2nd beam. QoL if nothing else

[spring zenith]

I get it now

you pop cooldowns and spam the fuck out of thunder clap

xD

STOMPY BOI

[sweet summit]

you press avatar and demo shout on CD, then clap away

big dam

[spring zenith]

calp away xD

[sweet summit]

you seem to spend a lot of rage on revenge

[spring zenith]

clap*

[sweet summit]

you should only use it when its free

and dump rage into ignore pain

[spring zenith]

It was just a heroic, wasnt taking much damage

[sweet summit]

if youre actually doing relevant content

[spring zenith]

❤️

Thanks for the advice guys

currently spamming mechagon to get that trait thing

MORE AVATAR

MORE CLAPS

Also one more question, I main fury and I'm able to sim my character to give me stat weights. Can you do the same for prot? Raidbots sais it just sims as a dps

[sweet summit]

you can sim for dps yes

but dont touch stat weights

its useless

do top gear

[spring zenith]

cool ty 🙂

[analog oyster]

Is there a rule with stats you wanna aim for? Or is it just ilvl > stats

[mortal brook]

ilvl > haste and you're more than welcome to sim

[south spruce]

@analog oyster hahahaha jordy

[analog oyster]

Hmm?

@mortal brook Just sim as dungeon slice or?

[limpid flax]

are there any essences to increase ignore pain cap ?

[strong forum]

Never

Also no, gladio

[mortal brook]

dungeon slice isnt fantastic. do multiboss patchwerk, low duration no lust for m+

[strong forum]

IP cap is 1.3x

IP is a ragedump and dmg smoother

It doesn't need to be a 600k shield

[limpid flax]

Yeah thanks - I was just thinking it could be a nice pseudo-CD for a big hit if there was a way to increase that

[strong forum]

That's what you have your actual CDs for

[limpid flax]

I am just getting into prot and trying to push some harder keys and find myself running out of CDs sometimes when i would like to have another one

[mortal brook]

its all rotational rather than pool for cd, tbh

dont hold most things

[strong forum]

Demo on CD, LS is rotational, SW for actual big dmg intake

Keep block up

Like, when you're doing stuff correctly you don't really run out of CDs

Cuz you don't need CDs

[limpid flax]

yeah, just need to perfect rotations i guess e.g. not using a shield block charge when boss is casting a spell etc so not gona be taking any autos for a few secs

cheers

[sly parcel]

this week is aids i feel for M+

[amber siren]

this is probably the worst week in the rotation

[still pagoda]

CnS major time

[sweet summit]

sphere major time

(its a meme please dont use sphere major)

[amber siren]

its too late ive locked it in

[stiff oracle]

Dont lie to use Rosjen

[sweet summit]

[stiff oracle]

Spheregang

[sly parcel]

what do u guys think the best major is this week?

[sweet summit]

VoP

[sly parcel]

still?

[stiff oracle]

I love CnS

[sweet summit]

yeah

[sly parcel]

not a defensive one?

[sweet summit]

its great all around

[left hatch]

VoP is a defensive one

lol

[stiff oracle]

^

[analog oyster]

Would you run always 1x 12% vers if you had access to it in M+?

[left hatch]

nope

[sweet summit]

if i didnt have anything else id consider it

[analog oyster]

Talking about 20-22 keys

[left hatch]

still no

thats still the range of TD is king

[sweet summit]

TDgasm

[left hatch]

%verse doesn't become good till you're at a level you literally need a full verse build to live

and that doesn't apply to even +24 keys

[mortal brook]

andy in 26s? vers. andy in 22s? TD

[analog oyster]

You cant really compare monk with warrior

[strong forum]

And you need vers gear to actually make it work

[left hatch]

who said anyhting about monk

[mortal brook]

same process applies

goodness

[left hatch]

im really confused

you can't just talk about SHAMAN strats in here Karen

were warriors

[strong forum]

Like if you only have 800 vers, the 12% isn't gonna do shit

[analog oyster]

I am switching off VDH tank to warrior, so finding out what corruption to use, since I have alot.

[sweet summit]

TD

[left hatch]

TD

[strong forum]

Only if you can stakc the shit out of vers the vers% starts becoming interesting

[left hatch]

fill in the gaps with EV or gushing wounds if you have to

[strong forum]

And like every tank

Stack TD

Until you actually need to go defensively

Which isn't for a while

[left hatch]

stat procs and %'s are limp dicked unless you fully stack them, which according to people doing keys that high isn't necesary even at like +24/+25's

[strong forum]

Especially in Tyra weeks

[analog oyster]

I guess ill go rank 4 then with avoidance equal 8% of your haste as a filler since its on my 475 shield

[left hatch]

:l

id just cleanse that dude

cause thats actually the worst corruption in the game

[strong forum]

Same, unless you have literally NOTHING else

[analog oyster]

Well, I will be at 31 corruption otherwise

[left hatch]

even then, just on principle id wipe it out

[strong forum]

So

You get below 40 and you drop a useless corruption

That's a win in my book

[analog oyster]

I am already below 40 with that useless corruption? 😛

[strong forum]

Really now

It's only 8 corruption?

[analog oyster]

Yes, it's 8 corruption. So If I cleanse it I will be on TD rank 4 with 31 corruption ( not having my cloak fully upgradew with all resistance)

[left hatch]

id still pull the trigger so you're ready to slot in something else

[sweet summit]

rank 1 stat increases are 10 corruption unless vers is the only one at 8

[strong forum]

You can go until 59,so I'd just use smth else

He means avoidant is 8 corruption

[sweet summit]

oh 🤔

[analog oyster]

That's what I said right? And about the 59 corruption, I am not sure about that, I don't realy like the grand delusions, since you can't always dodge them

[sweet summit]

reflect it

[left hatch]

you always have SR, shockwave, Stormbolt up for it

[strong forum]

I'm doing my 20/21s with 53 corruption

Very comfortably

[left hatch]

the only time its like... ehhh maybe i need to sit on SR is shrine

[strong forum]

So idk fam

[left hatch]

and even then 36% hp damage is kinda laughable

[strong forum]

Most of the times you can just straight up tank it

[left hatch]

36% pre DR*

[strong forum]

Or just reflect it

It really isn't all that dangerous

[left hatch]

i just give him a hug most of the time

[analog oyster]

And trinket wise? Nzoth with vita is good I assume

[left hatch]

if you know where you're gonna use nzoth yes

[sweet summit]

+ 👁️ =

[left hatch]

and are using it on cd

if its being sat on for an oh shit button or you don't need it to live then pair vita with Rezan, Scale or Block instead

[analog oyster]

What are other good options? Since I also got 475 fang, but not sure if that is worth tank

[mortal brook]

fang vita solid combo

fang will be highest dmg m+. just shockwave or get distance before channelling

[stoic zenith]

im right in thinking that HoD is a better trait than iron fortress right?

[rain crystal]

are you guys using lucid major this week or swappin for something else?

[left hatch]

if you have a high enough shield correct

[mortal brook]

generally yes hod is superior

[left hatch]

uhhhh Lucid isn't a play unless yo'ure doing like +23 keys

[jagged bane]

how can i keybind Method Dungeon Tools to open up on a key

[left hatch]

and are in a premade group playing around it

so if you have to ask 'should i use lucid'

no, you probably shouldn't be using lucid

and should be using VoP instead

(theres a big writeup about lucid/aug in high keys in hte second pin)

[sick sentinel]

a macro that says /mdt and then place it on a keybind

[rain crystal]

alright just srated playing prot so not sure yet doing 18-20 keys but my healer always facks up so was thinkin it maybe is beter with lucid then over vop but ill check that out ❤️

[left hatch]

for this week especially theres no inherent beneift of lucid over VoP

[mortal brook]

vop is still the default

[left hatch]

in fact its weaker than it is other weeks

since leech is affected by necro

[rain crystal]

ye thats what i though aswell so was confused

[left hatch]

and your IP spams are gonna be teeny tiny

VoP major with CnS, Lucid and Str of the warden (if you need resistance) or Sphere is gonna be your BiS loadout till you get a few key levels higher

[jagged bane]

ty @sick sentinel

[left hatch]

though an argument can be made about flipping lucid minor for sphere minor this week if you need a 30% slow to help you kite

[rain crystal]

ah was told otherwise but i was running that last week and though it was good aswell so just wanted some opinions 😄 but ill rock it with vision still then

[left hatch]

yeh whoever told you was wrong haha

tldr just because someone is doing something in +25's or MDI keys

[mortal brook]

ppl like to look at +25s and base their 20s, 15s on those runs

[left hatch]

doesn't make it meta, or even very good

[mortal brook]

its not the same situation at all

[left hatch]

at other levels of keys

[rain crystal]

ye also told me overwehlmin isnt the "best" trait anymore and is not worth going for either, but i still think its good?

[mortal brook]

ofc

the stack drop has an icd on it

youll still get good value as a tank

[left hatch]

OP is tied with our best middle row trait

alongside UF

[rain crystal]

ye guess he didnt know what he was talking bout then

[left hatch]

100% didn't, saw the nerf and assumed the worst w/o doing any research

even the spec the nerf hit hardest (hDH) still crave OP stacking lol

[still pagoda]

i have a general tanking question.

Can anyone link some guides on awakened affix?

[left hatch]

like routes?

[mortal brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/awakened-seasonal-affix-overview-bfa-season-4-mythic-dungeon

[rain crystal]

yep. lucky i found the discord (Y)

[still pagoda]

i know what it does but dunno about currently viable routes

[left hatch]

Raider.io has routes uploaded by dratnos

[still pagoda]

oh

thanks

[left hatch]

that are very beginner friendly and can be imported into MDT

[mortal brook]

https://raider.io/news/100-the-weekly-route-tyrannical-bursting-necrotic-and-awakened

[still pagoda]

oh

thanks xD

[mortal brook]

dunno if he still does the 'fancy routes' vs 'pug routes' anymore tho

[left hatch]

last time i looked at them he doesn't, but he also no longer uses shrouds or death skips

so all routes are pug routes with the exceptioin of AD

[mortal brook]

fantastic

[formal meadow]

is there any guides to help me improve visions?

[left hatch]

wowhead has a general guide about full clearing/5masking

[jagged bane]

what's diff about AD? @left hatch

[left hatch]

but the best advice i can give you is get a WA so you can figure out the sanity potion early

learn what mobs are scary so you don't mega pull around them

and get something to track the ICD of gift cause it makes things like rexxar MUCH easier if you can just ignore his pigs

AD he was consistently recommending either doing an obelisk with the boss and/or using a party memeber to pull things away from an obelisk to avoid doing some rather unpleasant trash

so you'll have to rework the route a bit if you don't want to do either of those things and understand that you have some pretty nasty trash pulls ahead of you

[potent anvil]

Just snap all the trash on top of rezan

[strong forum]

Eyo check #promotion

That's the content you get playing with me and my buds

[sweet summit]

ineffable ravager sucks

or is it just that im bad maybe :(

[chilly brook]

Who else is gonna play SL on a controller for the memes?

[raven belfry]

d

[idle zephyr]

how do warriors normally handle necro? just leap away to drop stacks?

[sweet summit]

shockwave->leap

[strong forum]

Tank until 30-40 stacks, then kite unless the pack will die before you do

Prot is insanely strong vs necrotic

[chilly brook]

Just ring of peace 4head

Oh wait....

😛

Jokes aside prot is actually great against necrotic

Especially if you have a crit heavy set available

Pro tip if you want an even easier time dropping stacks run with a balance druid or a frost mage

[potent anvil]

Just run as much TD as possible. Preferably r5+, and necrotic is a non issue 🙃

[chilly brook]

Trrruuueee

Cant apply stacks if they're dead

[daring marlin]

@potent anvil Slide me some TD

I'll pay

[chilly brook]

I won't

But I'll take it anyways

[upbeat yoke]

hello guys are the mechagon wrist any good?

[mortal brook]

Nah

[upbeat yoke]

rip weekly chest then

[chilly brook]

I got a socketed ring but it had the leech corruption

And my warrior got a belt with avoidance

Feelsgoodman

[jagged bane]

is it true that the diff loot specs give quite similar gear?

aka can i 'gear up' as prot spec with arms loot spec?

[sweet summit]

Yes, but you wont get weapons/shields

Or, youll get twohanded weapons

[chilly brook]

I only go to DPS loot spec on bosses or dungeons that drop DPS trinkets that I want and I dont want to chance getting something like a weapon or tank trinket I dont want or need

[sweet summit]

Why are most tank trinkets shit

[analog oyster]

What proffesions you peeps went for?

[sweet summit]

Engi alch gang

[royal temple]

for m+ are prot mostly simming for dps

[jagged bane]

@chilly brook any particular dungs i should look out for to switch to DPS loot?:

[chilly brook]

That's the only reason to sim as a tank

You get no useful information outside of DPS from a sim

@jagged bane unless you need a shield dont leave your spec on tank for UR

You dont want

[jagged bane]

ah i do still need a shield

so prot for everything rn?

[strong forum]

I'm engi and JC

[chilly brook]

[jagged bane]

makes it simple i guess 😄

[strong forum]

Prot loot until you don't need shield / 1h weapon anymore

[chilly brook]

Sporepods is bad

Pretty much what Nom said

[strong forum]

Aka, buy 475 shield

[chilly brook]

But dungeons like KR which drop neither but have a bad tank trinket just keep your loot spec dps

[still pagoda]

i just have 440 sporepods in my bags

for the sake of ilvl

[strong forum]

The only case to ever keep them

[chilly brook]

I've been stuck with my 440/445 trinkets on my monk and a 440 bracer

Literal only things I have under 460

[royal temple]

so would main stats be vers / haste, or do you stack crit / haste for m+ aswel ❤️ sorry new to tnaking

[jagged bane]

@strong forum you can buy a sheild?

[chilly brook]

@royal temple stick with ilvl

[still pagoda]

ran +6 JY in my crappy 436 rn

for fuck sake

where is any incoming damage?

[chilly brook]

Prioritize haste unless you're doing uber high keys

[left hatch]

^ haste/crit is the prio for M+

until you get far into the +20 range

[royal temple]

❤️ thanks

[chilly brook]

@still pagoda it's called block it's really good

[strong forum]

@jagged bane yes there's a 475 boe shield from raid, that you can buy for 700k-1mil gold

It's well worth it cuz it's pretty much bis

[jagged bane]

oh yikes that's a lot ^^

like £100

[strong forum]

I cba relying on weekly chest luck for shield

[chilly brook]

Its gonna be the only shield you need for the next 8 months though

[jagged bane]

is Slands still that long away?

[strong forum]

Bought that shield for 800k week2 of mythic

Yes

[chilly brook]

Probably

Its just in alpha and everyone is working from home

[strong forum]

SL is a good 5-7months away

If not more

[chilly brook]

I'd be very surprised if it didn't drop next year instead of this year

[strong forum]

It can very well be a 2021 release

[chilly brook]

Not like we won't have other games to play tho8gh

Cuz Cyberpunk will keep me busy for months

[ionic fern]

First Person WoW is keeping me busy.

[chilly brook]

Oh no

Mwahi you wanna play SL with a controller with me?

[ionic fern]

Yeah, why not.

[royal temple]

how much corrupt would you run with in m+, stay under 40 ?

[ionic fern]

Below 60 if comfortable, below 40 otherwise.

[still pagoda]

@still pagoda it's called block it's really good
@chilly brook

ik

[ionic fern]

But it comes down to how well you can handle the corruption effects and your general knowledge of the pulls/dungeon/class.

[jagged bane]

i'm downgrading my boosted +14 rn, i'm 430 ilvl and brand new to tanking (other than ~3 m0s)

what should i downgrade down to?

got an underrot

[left hatch]

12

[jagged bane]

lol

doubt i can do a 12

[stoic zenith]

earthlink or carapace trait?

[strong forum]

Earthlink

[chilly brook]

@left hatch I see what you did there

[left hatch]

(;

no it was an honest recommendation

[chilly brook]

Tbh its doable, but you have to have a grasp of how prot works

@jagged bane

[jagged bane]

i'm down to 10 now

might try here if it's easier than 2-9

[left hatch]

10-12 is easier than 8-9's

[jagged bane]

i have watched a few long guides now

[chilly brook]

10 is probably not a bad starting point

Just because awakened

[daring marlin]

best affix

ever

[jagged bane]

any tips for utilising MDT routes?

my normal minimap is so dark that i cant even really ascertain where i am

[left hatch]

uhhh follow them?

[limpid flax]

is 4% Strikethrough (20 corruption) a good option if I am at 20% crit rate - or is it only worth keeping at higher crit rate?

[left hatch]

its not a great choice even with high crit rate

Damage corruptions > stat procs > stat %'s

[limpid flax]

okay, I have void ritual (definite keep) and 72 crit x5 stacking as my other 2 options. Only have the corruption budget to keep 2 of them so i will drop the strikethrough

thanks

[strong forum]

Yes

[still pagoda]

is void ritual good tho?

just asking

[strong forum]

It's pretty decent

Not amazing, not horrible

[solid crystal]

Briny barnacle dogshit?

[chilly brook]

@daring marlin I'm glad that Ion said they wanted to do more kiss/curse affixes like it

[sweet summit]

Barnacle can be good

[chilly brook]

@still pagoda you can't go wrong with more stats

[daring marlin]

They should do more like that and axe tyrannical/fort

[sweet summit]

There are better trinkets for sure

Nuke bolstering, im not a fan

[chilly brook]

Tbh fort is aids

[solid crystal]

im running a 475 sporebuds atm and a 450 rezans, the brinys 465

[chilly brook]

And so is bolstering

[solid crystal]

should i dump sporebuds

[daring marlin]

@sweet summit It can? I got one with a socket this week and ree'd

Stupid box!

[sweet summit]

Always dumb

Literalgarbage

[solid crystal]

hahhaa

why is it garbage out of interest

[analog oyster]

is VoP still the go this week with necrotic?

[sweet summit]

Low damage, no controll over the heal

VoP always

Super good

[strong forum]

is rng, it procs when you don't need the heal, and then doesn't proc when you need it

[solid crystal]

yeah fair makes sense

ive had runs in 18s where it does 7 mil healing

and then runs it does 2mil

so i get ya

[sweet summit]

And overhealing, a lot of it

[strong forum]

Ontop of 6196r9e92626r820uxgr8 overhealing

[solid crystal]

holy fuck okay i see you now

so my other okptions are a 465 Big red button, briny barnacle or 450 jes which ones best

[sweet summit]

Rezan+barnacle

[jagged bane]

can someone explain what "tank at 30/40 stacks reset plz" means?

[solid crystal]

yep awesome thanks

[jagged bane]

bout to try tanking that +10

[sweet summit]

Necrotic stacks

[solid crystal]

it means at necoro stacks 30 run like fuk

[daring marlin]

was pretty good for arms pvp before the fun police nerfed it

SHAME

[jagged bane]

ok cool

and i can just look at the debuff?

[sweet summit]

Yea, you should see how many stacks you have

[daring marlin]

Can get a WA

[jagged bane]

yeah i just got fucked in the +10

lmao

didn't even have 10+ stacks

just got rekt

[sweet summit]

Did you have shield block active?

[jagged bane]

yep

or maybe i didnt get it in time btf

lagging a bit

2 dps left instantly

lol

[sweet summit]

Welcome to puging

[solid crystal]

if ur dieing to 10 stack dude its not from the necro

Itll be healer issue/lack of kicsk or ur mitigation rotation

[strong forum]

There's a multitude of factors

[chilly brook]

It's very likely a lack of proper play

Not to be rude just saying that's the likely option since you said you are brand new to tanking

My guess would be not getting mitigation up right away or gaps

[rigid sinew]

not really a prot question but does the magneto arm from king mechagon in workshop have a set location he throws it to?

[sweet summit]

its towards a player, prefers ranged players afaik

[strong forum]

I thought it was always Center of the room

[sweet summit]

nah

[rigid sinew]

k ty

[tame garden]

Ye ranged can bait it

[sullen drift]

should i cleanse strikethrough rank 2 or masterfull rank 2?

[loud rain]

pretty open question without much context

[sullen drift]

also echoing void stacks? cause now i have 2 pieces with that

[loud rain]

yes all corruption stacks

so just add the %'s together

proc rate doesn't change though

[sullen drift]

nice

i think ill cleanse strikethrough its only 3%

[limpid pawn]

Lol at the dude dying to 10 necrotic. You definitely didn’t use your abilities correctly.

[strong forum]

He is clearly inexperienced

[sweet summit]

dont lol at him

[limpid pawn]

my bad, but just tryin to say 10 necrotics is almost nothing - should not be killing anyone unless they are undergeared or playing wrong

[tame garden]

Lol

[loud rain]

or wasn't getting healed?

[tame garden]

Dont need heals to survive til 10 stacks

Guy didnt shield block

[limpid pawn]

yeah true

assuming the healer was healing even a little

no shield block, had his back turned, wearing greens, not wearing a shield

one of those likely the culprit

[tame garden]

One of wars strengths is how solid they are on pull

Healer should be able to dps for a while

[fossil sparrow]

would a 475 residium piece be better than 3 460 pieces? (still have 445/normal in all 3)

[limpid pawn]

yeah, avatar + shield block and demo shout on pull and you mighit not even need much heals for a bit

[strong forum]

Depends on how fast you can get full 475s @fossil sparrow

[fossil sparrow]

..slowly this would be my first one

even then I'm 100 short so it'l be next week's reset

[strong forum]

Then get 460s

3x useful 460s is better than 1x bad 475

[fossil sparrow]

would've had to run an 18 the week previous to get it this week

[strong forum]

So get decent 460s, then start banking for 475s

[tame garden]

Could try to snipe heroic skitra shoulders and only have to buy 2 460s

[fossil sparrow]

snipe

[limpid pawn]

my personal suggestion would be joining a heroic run as a DPS and just stack the group with as many overgeared plate as possible

[fossil sparrow]

havent even done heroic wrath lol

[limpid pawn]

take the plate azerite that drops THEN consider spending titan residuum

[tame garden]

Both are very easy bosses

Only have to go 2 bosses deep

[fossil sparrow]

Sure, easy, getting into a group without curve tho?

near impossible

[limpid pawn]

make your own group

trust me, people still join

[tame garden]

Ye make a 2/2/6

And blast

[sick sentinel]

when do i taunt on the 2nd boss nya

[tame garden]

Maut or skitra

[sick sentinel]

maut

[limpid pawn]

in legion and wod, i pug created heroic kill groups using my last boss lockout like over 500 times to sell AOTC

just think about that for a sec

over 500 times, people joined my pug willingly and carried 2-4 people so i could make gold

[tame garden]

Theres lots of strats for maut idk what the pug default is tbh

[limpid pawn]

pug maut is like, tank and spank in the middle of the room

lol

only wipe mechanic would be, pointing black claws away (though I think you can still probably survive it) and soaking orbs as the tank

[sick sentinel]

@sick sentinel we don’t tank swap on maut we just have on man tank the add and one tank the boss

But if you can’t survive, taunt swap right before the second add comes out

[limpid pawn]

what's a good shield mog that goes with tier 3

[strong forum]

The basic naxx shield

And the naxx sword

[limpid pawn]

skull of ruin?

[strong forum]

Ye

[limpid pawn]

i have that and the sword, ill try it out

it looks kind of dumb lol i wish they made it better looking

[strong forum]

It's what's most commonly run with t3

Idk I like it

It's 15 years old, give them a break

[chilly brook]

Facts

I still love the naxx gear though

The art is iconic

[strong forum]

Running t3 + naxx shield n sword is giga imo

Nostalgia boner

[limpid pawn]

well i was thinking of using thunderfury

[strong forum]

Also works

There's lotta stuff that works

[limpid pawn]

the chromaggus shield is also something ive seen tier 3 wars use back in the day

[still pagoda]

Legion artifact secret appearance

i barely run anything else on prot in terms of transmog

[tame garden]

When we do heroic now we just swap on 2 and just let the adds get eaten lol

Bout as tank and spank as it gets

[limpid pawn]

mage tower blue looks nice with it too

qw

[strong forum]

That's a no from me

Nothing brown or green about t3

[sick sentinel]

also super high res/detailed weapon shield looks bad with polygon t3

you basically have to use old weapons with t3 or the contrast is crazy

[ionic fern]

Just lower your graphics, make it all a pixely mess.

[still pagoda]

[slim pier]

is sigil of warding bad

[left hatch]

yes

its an inferior version of Psychic shell, with in itself is a fairly niche trinket (albeit it very strong in that niche)

and only has maybe 2 areas where its passable

namely Mythic llgy or wrathion

and even then Shell is better

[tame garden]

2m cd I sleep

1m cd real shit

[sly parcel]

is stat prio ilvl>haste>crit

or haste>vers?

[left hatch]

haste crit for M+

haste vers for raid

[chilly brook]

Warrior mage tower appearance was so good

[still pagoda]

^

ye

glad that i did it back then

before ToS came out

was the first warrior in our guild to make both prot and fury

in 902

[chilly brook]

I did it during Antorus at like 910

No set and only 1 leggo

Shit was hard

[still pagoda]

of course it would be

a challenge made to prove your skills and brain

[chilly brook]

Super satisfying though

[still pagoda]

yup

[limpid pawn]

ok i just put them on, it looks kinda bad though

[chilly brook]

Nah

It looks right

The other option that I run is the flaming skull axe and shield

I cant remember the name

[limpid pawn]

the tier 3 set looks way more... like they put in effort vs this shield and sword combo

[limpid pawn]

the shield looks like something the developer's child drew in daycare no lie

[sick sentinel]

Man these are some edgy tmogs

I cut my eyes just by looking at them

[ionic fern]

I'm tempted to run around with 0 corruption so it wouldn't mess up my mog. 😦

[limpid pawn]

tier 3?

if you do under 40 i don't think it shows corruption

i think it's bugged though, there may be a range between like 0-20 where it does show

but like 20-39 definitely doesn't show

[still pagoda]

nothing can mess up slutmogs on dreanei females... Because slutmogs are already messed up by default

[chilly brook]

@sick sentinel heres an objectively good mog with an objectively BiS race

[sick sentinel]

If you don’t slay the enemy with a fish

[ionic fern]

PANDAAAS

[chilly brook]

Ayyyyy

[sick sentinel]

Pandas underrated

[ionic fern]

Reduced fall damage saved me more times than any other racial.

True story.

[sick sentinel]

Quaking palm ez

[granite nymph]

Hey guys, quick Q - If I'm running pure dps corruption (R3 TD, R1 Flay) what's the recommended base level of vers I should be trying to hit for defensive purposes in M+? I feel like I get smoked in anything above a 14/15. I'm 470 equipped, double haste trinks (vita and dragonscale)

[tame garden]

There isnt one

[granite nymph]

So it's not a prob defensively to run minimum vers in M+?

[robust pulsar]

Would you prefer to use a Dragon Scale 460 or the Rezan Eye 465? 🙂

[sweet summit]

why not both

@granite nymph there are no minimun stat needed

[ionic fern]

No @granite nymph it's not a problem. Your survivability comes from proper play. 🙂

[chilly brook]

More stats are better than preferred stats @granite nymph

[maiden ravine]

GNOME

[chilly brook]

Gnomes hurt my soul

Gnomes were a mistake

[robust pulsar]

@sweet summit I run A modular Plating, but is only 435 it has saved me some inc dmg. Would be better to use botth Rezan and Dragonscales?

[chilly brook]

And mechagnomes were a higamistake

[sweet summit]

dont use that

worst trinket in game

[left hatch]

lol that is the most worthless trinket in the game

[chilly brook]

Tank trinkets are bad

[ionic fern]

👀

[left hatch]

it has saved you from maybe 1 incoming damage

total

[robust pulsar]

Dragonscale and Rezan it is then !

[chilly brook]

I can count on one hand how many worthwhile tank trinkets have existed this xpac

[robust pulsar]

Also is there any point where we start using gems of versa? In game I have 40% haste but only 5% versa

[chilly brook]

If you have to ask that question you're not at a point where you would

[strong forum]

You start gemming vers when you die on regular packs even though you played correctly

👍

[robust pulsar]

I've been doing keys between 15 ~18 but think I'm taking too much dmg

[strong forum]

In 15-18s you don't take dmg

So you're not playing perfectly

[robust pulsar]

I have room to improve, yes

[limpid pawn]

prot war = SUPER PUNISHING FOR PLAYING NOT PERFECT

is what he's saying

[left hatch]

the point you start caring at all about verse is like

higher than 24's

[granite nymph]

@left hatch I appreciate this info, that is really what I was looking for from my question earlier

[strong forum]

Around 23+ id say

[still pagoda]

prot war played correctly = not taking damage at all or just not noticing because it is too minor

[robust pulsar]

I feel like I take more dmg is from the Magic dmg and when my shield block is on CD. I usually save rage to spend on IP during that time when it's on CD, or use some CD

[strong forum]

There's no blanket solution to such a blanket statement

It's a little more intricate than that

[left hatch]

magic damage at that level is either completely avoidable

or trivial

[strong forum]

But generally magic dmg isn't an issue until very high keys

Cuz most magic dmg can be avoided

[left hatch]

and gaps in SB should be filled with LS or stuns ideally

[strong forum]

Be it interrupts, proper timed CDs, CCs

Or kiting

[left hatch]

and if thats an issue point for you is large damage intake when SB is down

verse won't help you lol

haste will

[robust pulsar]

Alright, I'll go with double haste proc