with maybe ilgy and vex
#protection
left hatch
ivory barn
I mean, I'm able to perform maybe better on HM now, EV has no target cap
ivory barn
But my co tank Bdk, has a R5 TD so o had to find a way to keep threat some how
And I was like constant threat overall will keep threat when he randomly TD's and it worked perfectly in it heroic run. So we are gonna try it on M
ivory barn
Yeah, we had a threat problem because last week I was doing 30k
Now that I fixed that we stopped having those issues
mystic finch
hello! i'm wondering what essences we're using for raiding (i'm a casual who will run heroic tonight)
left hatch
VoP, Cns, Null and Void
if you're feeling comfortable you can swap vop major for CoF
to pump st deepus
mystic finch
i've checked guides and they don't reach a consensus and people on warcraft logs have different essences than the ones recommended
i just read your message! thanks a lot!
rocky linden
Is Anima a decent major for lower M+ keys where you want the aoe dmg?
left hatch
most likely not, unless yo'ure pulling the entire instance in 1 pull
VoP comes out to more aoe dps overall
rocky linden
So pretty much only reason to swap it out ever is for ST?
rocky linden
Thats disappointing
left hatch
and if you get into the 20 keys theres Lucid and AuG that get added tothe mix but
thats not till like +23's
rocky linden
I'm sticking to 17 and below for now
rocky linden
Yeah, aegis is what Ive been using
left hatch
tbh unless you're playing around it
id go sphere (even at r1)
esp since the last 2 weeks have been shit for pulling into bosses/chain pulling
aegis is basically an empty slot if you're not actively worrying about keeping in combat with 6+ things constantly
rocky linden
Not that hard to find 6 mobs tho
rocky linden
Fair point
graceful sundial
hello! I'm finally doing +20 and a little higher for the last two weeks. In this week do you recommend using CoS as a major (with necrotic)
left hatch
nope
the CnS root is completely unnecesary
and if you have a 30% slow in your group the root won't work anyway
grand drum
Bounding stride and intercept should be enough for necrotic for any groups that arent cc/stunnable
left hatch
^
graceful sundial
thanks a lot 😉
grand drum
Anything that is, just shockwave and leap
left hatch
or sphere minor and just walk away
provided you have r2
and you can further trivialize necrotic by running crit heavier gear (provided you arn't giving up ilvl) and butchers block t rinket
sick sentinel
rank 3 twilight dev is BiS I'm assuming? I've been seeing some warriors run 1-2 echoing void and today I got a rank 3 echoing from the cache
left hatch
EV is a good substitute if you can't fully stack TD
its 2nd best in ST and in top 4/5 for aoe
sick sentinel
Ahhh gotcha, okay, ty
sharp night
isn't it 3rd best on st
left hatch
if you're counting IS
sly parcel
hey guys, whats the best essences for M+? theres alot of conflict on the online guides
left hatch
what level keys are you doing
sly parcel
im new so low for now
left hatch
VoP major, CnS Lucid and Sphere minors
swap out sphere for str of hte warden if you need the res
sick sentinel
for 15-19 range, is lucid major the way to go?
left hatch
no
left hatch
Lucid major isn't a play until you're well into the +20 range
sharp night
it shouldn't be affected by spec
left hatch
and even then theres a heavy asterisk next to using it
some tanks might have higher haste weights in w/e sim profile they used for Bloodmallet
sick sentinel
hmm so what should I be using instead as a major for 15-19s?
left hatch
VoP
like monks could get screwy cause they don't like haste
and have a locked GCD
and in theory EV will benefit more on tanks that have HP buff abilities like LS or VB
since itll more consistently proc in those windows compared to TD
idk if thats for sure why theres a discrepancy but
sick sentinel
I'm guessing I'm using sphere minor because of necro this week? Or is that in general
left hatch
in general its a very good minor
VoP major, CnS, lucid and sphere is the go to for basically every key you do
till yo'ure into the 20's
WS is weird and you can run CoF major and null minor
and if you need resistance flip out sphere (or this week lucid ig) for str of hte warden
sick sentinel
wow okay, thanks for the info man super helpful
is there a spreadsheet or link to smt for prot in m+ specifically?
that goes into detail about the choices to make etc
left hatch
uhhh the icy veins guide is a good starting poitn for new players
and theres a writeup in the 2nd pin about using Lucid/Aug major in keys well above 20
but thats about it
left hatch
until yo'ure close to 20? only workshop
sick sentinel
gotcha
still pagoda
thanks for the info
left hatch
its a very good minor in raid cause you're constantly consuming it
and does very good ST dps
but in M+ you rarely consume it, and the damage doesn't scale into aoe
rocky linden
I assume there's no way of obtaining r4 iris anymore? Not really a prot question I guess but
left hatch
so its value falls off drastically compared to stat essences that scale into aoe and also help with phys damage
warm plinth
You can still obtain R4 iris
left hatch
15 in time achieve
warm plinth
It's just KSM
sick sentinel
r4 iris is just KSM
grand drum
you buy it from the residuum vendor if you have KSM
warm plinth
Yeah
rocky linden
Uh okay, I need that residuum for proper things
warm plinth
That might be last season's cost actually
grand drum
its like 90
warm plinth
I think it's 75 now yeah
still pagoda
heh. Is there no alternative to AD haste trinket in terms of M+ ones?
rocky linden
That's doable
still pagoda
just asking
left hatch
Dragonscale, Vita, or Butchers Block
grand drum
Wrathion trinket, Vita
rocky linden
75 was correct, just FYI
still pagoda
not planning on raiding currently
sick sentinel
I've still got a mythic urchin, is that worth using + vita?
still pagoda
my char is literally only 430
left hatch
then yah only options are AD haste trink and crit from WCM
vial from UR is ok but its annoying to use
still pagoda
Mechagon trinket with haste punchcard?
still pagoda
430? +12 key?! 
rocky linden
Eh, I'd say that assumes you're being carried a bit
A team of 430s in +12 sounds... less than ideal
left hatch
and tbh 10's and 11's are easier than 8's and 9's
still pagoda
i understand everything, but i maximum tanked +5 in this shit... Though consistently and currently upping the game by gear and stuff
like
my warrior is 120 only for 2 days now
left hatch
with a group of 430s the only hard thing is gonna be having the dps to make a timer
and corruption offsets that a lot
rocky linden
I feel like you're seriously overestimating the ability of people in 430 gear
rocky linden
And at 430 I don't think you're likely to have much corruption on your gear
chilly brook
430 in 12s is fine
As long as you actually know the class and understand the mechanics of the dungeon
rocky linden
If they know the content, they're already boosting each other's alts though
left hatch
and considering WQ gear has a decent chance to corrupt
its highly possible to have 1-2 corruptions each
or a group of friends coming back fro ma break?
still pagoda
or a group of friends coming back fro ma break?
In my case, it is only me for now
chilly brook
Like you can do mythic nyalotha at 445-455 tbh
rocky linden
Hey, I'm not saying it can't be done, just saying that I find it less than 40% likely 🙂
still pagoda
we really want to get going in SL
left hatch
if you're pugging the hard part is getting into the group
still pagoda
but for now...
left hatch
but you're capable of doing the content
rocky linden
Griff: I'm sure that's true, but how many of the people capable of doing that is in 445s?
left hatch
i think yo'ure conflating low ilvl with being bad
rocky linden
No, I'm saying there's most frequently a correlation
chilly brook
Anyone as long as they're willing to play well
left hatch
correlation =/= causation
rocky linden
Nobody said anything about causation
chilly brook
And theres no correlation to ilvl and skill tbh
left hatch
low ilvl therefore incapable of 12's
left hatch
right. and thats where id disagree with you lol
rocky linden
Go ahead and invite 4 random 430s to your +12 and stream it then, we'll see how well it goes
left hatch
and you're also assuming an entire group of 430's just because hes 430
rocky linden
Nobody disagres with that nomeratur
chilly brook
I smashed a 14 last week no big deal on my warrior that I haven't played since EP
Didn't need huge ilvl
rocky linden
I kinda get the feeling everyone argues against something different than what I actually said
Reminds me of reddit :p
still pagoda
You can tank 15s in 445
I don't think anyone will invite 430 warrior with last big r.io score being in 7.3.2 season of Legion and nothing in last 2 years to any keys beyond 6-7
left hatch
see thats the issue is getting into a pug group
but you're more than capable of handling it
chilly brook
@rocky linden I'm attacking the position you're holding based on your statement
strong forum
Has nothing to do with being able to tank 15s with 445 ilvl
still pagoda
yeye
rocky linden
@chilly brook Okay, what percentage of 445 geared protection warriors do you feel are capable of tanking 15s?
I'm going with 10-15%
still pagoda
5% since most are newbs
strong forum
Less than that, actually
still pagoda
left hatch
capable as in has the potential to do it in general? 100% of them
rocky linden
No
I have the potential to be a world champion boxer
But I'd get fucked up if I tried
chilly brook
The % of people is irrelevant tbh
rocky linden
People who could, realistically if invited, do it
@inland helm well that was my entire argument, so then you're not really attacking my position, but something else than what I said.
left hatch
i wouldn't compare doign a 15 to being a championship boxer
strong forum
Lemme give you a hint, there's more than enough people 470 that can't reliably do 12s
rocky linden
That is also true
rocky linden
It certainly has correlation. It doesn't have causation
left hatch
i think the argument was flawed from the start because you jumped right to the assumption that the entire group would be undergeared
rocky linden
@left hatch: I didn't, the first thing I said was that it would probably be a group where he got carried.
left hatch
or that being 430 would be a hard carry
which is not the case whatsoever
you can carry a bad dps
rocky linden
But removing free loader paradox from the case, you have to give every group member the same ilvl
rocky linden
Nothing wrong with carrying people, but that doesn't really represent what you can do
Well, I'd say a great healer can carry a tank through a good bit of fuck ups, but that's besides the point
chilly brook
Ilvl and ability have absolutely 0 correlation
chilly brook
I can be
strong forum
I agree with griff
rocky linden
Do you know what correlation means?
chilly brook
Bro this man in my guild bought his way to 460 in one week
Did 17k
On a fury warrior
left hatch
and id say that a tank is a hard carry for being 430 is disingenuous
chilly brook
It has 0 correlation
rocky linden
If your argument is true, then the average 445 prot warrior has the exact same level of skill as the average 475 prot warrior
That's not what correlation means
Yes, you can have shitty gear and great skill. And great gear and shit skill
left hatch
no it doesn't
it means that you cant have any expectations good or bad about someone
based on ilvl
a 430 can be just as skilled as a 470
or you can have 470's that are completely shit
chilly brook
No
strong forum
Correlation is the connection between 2 things. Us saying that skill and ilvl have no correlation is factually true
chilly brook
You're arguing for causation
We're arguing correlation doesn't exist between gear and skill
Not causation
rocky linden
Correlation does not require a connection. That's why "Correlation doesn't mean causation" is an idiom
strong forum
rocky linden
Jessica was vaccinated. Jessica has autism.
The correlation is there, the causation isn't
left hatch
it does need a connection
rocky linden
I like how you snipped the screenshot
left hatch
thats what the trend is
strong forum
I didn't want an overly sized screenshot yes
chilly brook
You're still wrong about it
steep wraith
I mean, he's not really wrong
chilly brook
He is though
sharp night
you guys are forgetting something important
there is a correlation, but it's a weak one
steep wraith
Take a look at the top 100 ilvl characters on wowprogress
sharp night
it's not either or
steep wraith
And tell me that the average 430 ilvl player is as good as everyone in limit
they simply arent
strong forum
Nobody is saying that
left hatch
using outliers to prove a trend
chilly brook
That's not the argument
rocky linden
Yes, that's exactly the argument
chilly brook
No that was never the argument
steep wraith
Yes it is? That higher ilevel players can be expected to be better players
chilly brook
Dont move the goal post
rocky linden
Yes it was, you said youreself that you responded to my argument.
steep wraith
and lower ilvl players can expected to be worse
rocky linden
So I think it's pretty claer that I know what that argument was
chilly brook
Can they though? Tell that to the 470 DH and boomie I had to carry last night
steep wraith
That's what I understood his arguement to be
rocky linden
Griff: Outliers do not invalidate general trends
sharp night
anecdotal evidence isn't statistical
steep wraith
They can be expected yes
left hatch
you're ignoring the fact that people that do mythic or even 15's is a low low low portion of the population
chilly brook
No you can't expect it from anyone who doesn't have a track record
left hatch
the vast majority of players dont venture that high, but still get to 460+
chilly brook
Especially since you can buy gear
steep wraith
There's always exceptions, but you can expect somone in 480 ilvl, who clears mythic raids, to be good
left hatch
and runs
steep wraith
Yes you can buy that
steep wraith
But do you really think there's an equal number buying runs are doiong it legit?
sharp night
that's a lot of exceptions
steep wraith
The people buying boosts for 12/12M are the exception at high ilvl
chilly brook
You can expect people who clear mythic to perform at a certain level because they have a track record not because they have a certain level of gear
rocky linden
Morrison: Do you agree that if you take 100 players with 480 gear, and 100 players with 445 gear, the chances are high that you'll find more skilled players in the first group?
steep wraith
Progress Record, Ilvl, Skill
left hatch
480? yes because its only possible with gear
rocky linden
Fine, 475
left hatch
but your sampling is also flawed
rocky linden
Or 470
left hatch
then no
rocky linden
Really?
left hatch
i wouldn't expect to find more skilled players in the 470 group
rocky linden
I sure as hell would
left hatch
so your entire argument is based on feelings
chilly brook
Do you pug at all?
Because I see bad players at all ilvl
And good players at all ilvls
rocky linden
Yes I do, and everyone agreed that there are shit players with 475 gear
Saying that there's a correlation isn't saying that every 475 player is better
left hatch
the flaw here is that you're looking at a handful of mythic geared players that are very overgeared
and not realizing they are an outlier
rocky linden
It's saying that if you have 100 players in 475 gear you probably have 50 good players, and if you have 100 players in 445 gear, you probably have 20 good
left hatch
they make up such a miniscule part of the population
and arn't representative of the player base whatsoever
your data set is gonna be primarily people doing 2-10 keys
rocky linden
Again, players who aren't even doing M+ is irrelevant, but including them would strengthen my argument, not weaken it
left hatch
and ranging from 420-460//470
rocky linden
Unless you think those guys are magically superbly good, and just never do difficult content
chilly brook
Having also done a fair amount of mythic prog theres a lot of people who underperform and get carried
still pagoda
rocky linden
Yes Griff, there absolutely is
rocky linden
I'm literally not
left hatch
look at smurfs in other games
chilly brook
So then why are you focusing on ilvl as a metric of anything other than is this ilvl actually physically capable of doing this content?
rocky linden
Because the entire argument was started by a discussion of 430 geared people doing +12s
chilly brook
Which is doable
rocky linden
Yes, agreed
left hatch
ONE 430 person
chilly brook
Quite easily actually tbh
rocky linden
Literally everyone agrees with that
rocky linden
No, I didn't. My first reply was that this will usually only work if he's being soft carried
But if it's a full group of 430s, it's rather unlikely to work
So it actually sounds like you agree with me
still pagoda
btw. One question: Is prot good for fast runs of horrific visions or is it better to go with DPS specs for this piece of content as a whole?
left hatch
Eh, I'd say that assumes you're being carried a bit
@rocky linden
literally no lines between it
rocky linden
Right
left hatch
oh it didnt fully quote
rocky linden
What do you interpret that as meaning?
strong forum
I think an entire 430 group can do a 12 easily, not your average Joe's, but alts can
chilly brook
12s honestly aren't that crazy
rocky linden
I don't understand how this is confusing
strong forum
But that's my take
chilly brook
And a 12 is easier than a 10 tbh
left hatch
or walk it back really
rocky linden
I used my 120 boost on a paladin on friday. He's now 467. And I'm far from a great player
strong forum
So this entire argument is pepega
chilly brook
I would argue most 430s are alts....
left hatch
tbh id need to see actual stats for that to have an opinion either way
cause its dumb easy to get gear
430s kinda don't exist
cause alts get boosted
rocky linden
They clearly do. Check your M+ premade groups for +2s and +3s
430 alts only exist for a few hours. 430 new/returning players absolutely exist for a good while
chilly brook
I have at least 2 alts that are 430 or below
strong forum
There's people out there that complain about M0s being too hard yes
rocky linden
And if you wanted them geared up, you'd have them at 460 in on afternoon @inland helm
strong forum
Make that 2 dungeons 😏
chilly brook
Imagine actually having that good of RNG
strong forum
Or 1 raid
chilly brook
Or assuming that everyone has people on their beck and call to funnel them gear and carry them
rocky linden
@strong forum realistically yes, but that brings us back to being carried again. If you only rely on your own loot, it'll take a bit longer
still pagoda
430 alts only exist for a few hours. 430 new/returning players absolutely exist for a good while
This is my case actually
rocky linden
If you only have your own loot rolls, it'll take you the day
rocky linden
Apparently, you don't exist @still pagoda :p
chilly brook
The day hahahhahaha
left hatch
anecdotal evidence proves nothing
chilly brook
Bro you're actually delusional
chilly brook
I've been playing my monk for a week and a half a decent amount each day after work and only went from 451 to 461
left hatch
bringing it back around from this circle jerk, saying a tank can be carried is really disingenuous to what they have to do
rocky linden
Man @inland helm, I don't understand you. You're talking about how easy 430 geared people can do M+12 and 445 people can do Mythic raid bosses, but you also can't get from 430 to 460 in a day?
chilly brook
Like not everyone has godlike luck with gear
left hatch
id argue if he can properly pull and do the mechanics
its not a carry
hes doing his job
full stop
strong forum
First of all, I'm rarted
left hatch
more dps is jsut doing the key faster
strong forum
But that's just me
left hatch
if he can hold threat and live hes pulling his weight
strong forum
Thanks for listening to my podcast
left hatch
if we were making this argument about a dps spec then yes 100% a 430 would be a carry
chilly brook
Second of all considering it's all RNG you're not guaranteed to go 30 ilvls in one day
still pagoda
First of all, I'm rarted
But that's just me
But that's just being a tank bro
left hatch
sine they're not able to properly contribute
still pagoda
chilly brook
And it's kind of intellectually dishonest to sell this idea that you can go from 430 to 460 in one day
rocky linden
@left hatch that's true, but it's also a hell of a lot easier to tank a dungeon with good dps than bad
left hatch
ehhhh
chilly brook
There are way too many factors in that to actually make that argument
left hatch
depends on the key
shrine sure cause you need kicks
FH doens't fucking matter
you can sit in combat all day and not give a fuck
regardless theres a burden of weight on the tank
rocky linden
Granted, but the quicker shit dies, the less mechanics the tank has to deal with
left hatch
that cannot be hoisted by other people
and carry infers that they're not responsible for anything
they're dead weight there for the loot
rocky linden
Which is why I wrote "soft carry"
left hatch
even that
tanks job bare minimum is hold threat. don't die
esp given the amount of ppl that can't manage that much
still pagoda
hold threat, don't die, CC on CD
left hatch
putting too much on your shoulders there champ
still pagoda
annoy healer 24/7
left hatch
thats getting into big brain strats
still pagoda
left hatch
and if a tank can do those 2 things, everything else is icing on the cake
chilly brook
Why not 5
still pagoda
rocky linden
Sounds like a plan
strong forum
Wait make that 480,cuz even then they don't have aoe
chilly brook
It's actually not a bad ring
strong forum
Brew is the only tank that I have NO clue about in the slightest
chilly brook
Just a meh corruption
left hatch
brew likes everything but haste
chilly brook
Crit vers woulda been nicer though
left hatch
you want to maintain a rough balance between the 3
left hatch
the fun of a locked gcd
left hatch
yup
i think all haste does... is make your brews come back faster (which you're already swimming in brews to begin with) and make your wind tick for a smidge more
big value stat
chilly brook
Tbh BrM is probably one of the only specs in the game that would feel bad with haste imo
Time to see what my warrior got
strong forum
Imagine being the only healer that can't dispel poison or diseases, and then have blizzord design dungeons with predominantly dangerous poisons and diseases... 🙃
left hatch
having too much haste actually has the potential to make you perform worse
cause you'll have more brews to purify -> stagger pool will be lower
so you get less value from the 3 stacked trait that gives you giga mastery for how big your stagger pool is
so in theory haste hurts brw
strong forum
Mint green class = bad
chilly brook
Truuuueee
strong forum
Imagine not getting TD5 within 5hrs of being level 120
chilly brook
Thankfully it's not that bad though cuz I'm not actually stuck at 430 😛
still pagoda
like... Enough M+ grinding and 430-440 wall will be broken
left hatch
lfr and pugging normal raid too
strong forum
I was 450 by solo playing in 5hrs
still pagoda
- weeklies, corruptions, normal raid and so on
strong forum
Did 2 lfr bosses
left hatch
emmisaries are... what 445 now?
still pagoda
strong forum
Yup
still pagoda
seriously?!
strong forum
Yup
still pagoda
all my emissaries were AP so far
strong forum
They scale with ilvl up to 445
left hatch
and if you dont have your cloak yet thatll inflate your overall ilvl by a ton
chilly brook
I mean my "main" is now 463 and I should be starting to mythic raid
Gotta love returning to the game
still pagoda
i already picked up cloak, done nearly every shit available before lvl2 Lucid quest in Nazhatar, did some M+ and did CTA in vale, getting myself 445 upgrade to main hand
430 in few hours through last 2 days
strong forum
M0s drop 430
still pagoda
and them too
left hatch
you can probably try gearing idly by raising your io score
set a goal of chipping away at it
and gear will come
tbh since you pug io will be more important than Ilvl
still pagoda
my current goal is to push M+ as far as possible
strong forum
10s are easier than 9 and 8s
still pagoda
because of awakening and skips?
strong forum
Yup
still pagoda
kek
left hatch
the last pack is an actual abomination
doesn't exist past a 10
ever
AD is the only dungeon that became harder because of the affix
left hatch
s2 and 3it was on the easier side
still pagoda
AD was the easiest dungeon in S1 next to FH
Early on it was somewhat of a chore... But back then i focused mostly on raiding and wasn't really involved in M+ much
still pagoda
even though i did a shitton of it M+ back in legion and then in s2
still pagoda
^
strong forum
I remember the days of peaking #16 prot warrior in S1 worldwide ... Good days
left hatch
atal now blows because you're forced into doing a double (and on teeming triple) reanimnated honor gaurd pack
strong forum
left hatch
unless you have someone with feign, vanish, shadowmeld or wants to sacrifice themselves
left hatch
yeh, but idk how often pugs do shit with the boss
i had people freaking out because i wanted to do blob with WS boss... on a 13
the last time i tried pugging as prot tank
strong forum
No idea bout pugs, have done 3 total pug keys in all of bfa not counting the boosts I've done
left hatch
i spammed first 2 weeks to get an ilvl edge
when buds were sleeping
it was a mixed experience
strong forum
I spammed heroics pre-m+ cuz I wanted to spam dungeons...
left hatch
the standouts being a keyholder that was convinced you could reset trash by pulling it into a boss
strong forum
Man.. That was a time where we didn't know what shit show was upon us
left hatch
and a warlock that when asked to throw down a summon portal said "oh. i forgot i was in destro spec, sure"
strong forum
The miracles of mmorpgs
left hatch
iv been much happier since tanking became a offspec
and my bloodpressure has been much lower
(:
still pagoda
i'm happy that i can slowly get back into tanking
left hatch
its fun
but its hella stressful
even keys with friends i was getting super frustrated if i didn't have music on haha
still pagoda
i'm under stress 100% of the time
left hatch
dps is just... you're along for the ride
if hte key is scuffed w/e just blow things up
still pagoda
living in the countryside 50km from Inner Moscow, studying in its outer "Administrative Region"
left hatch
yup
strong forum
Cuz nothing matters except numbers
still pagoda
constantly on the move
left hatch
whats the route? do we have %? not my problem
still pagoda
and i'm totally normal
left hatch
imma just kill what you pull
strong forum
For me it's usually
I pull for you cuz you don't pull enough
Gib me moar to smack
left hatch
for me tanking if ANYTHING went wrong, even if it was bads being bad
strong forum
Shit tan
strong forum
Na i don't anymore
strong forum
I'm the same at tanking now, I did my best, you monkey dps didn't do enough
still pagoda
Gib me moar to smack
This is why i chainpull if i can
just so DPS peeps couldn't fuck me up
strong forum
You have to obv know what you can and can't pull
still pagoda
ofc
strong forum
And it's annoying when your firemage screams 'yo I have combust go big'
And you absolutely can't go big
left hatch
lul like that guy last week
still pagoda
kek
left hatch
saying his fire mage was telling him to chain pull on bolstering
and blamed the tank for not pulling big enough
when there were rampant group deaths
like yup. def a we didn't pull big enough issue
strong forum
Yeah, that's when the dps show their amazing 🐵 brain
left hatch
i traded places with who was formerly my boomkin
and he sometimes has a 5head dps brain sometime
left hatch
like pulling the trash next to harlan bridge and relying on painful motivation
on bolstering....
jagged bane
ahhhhh
strong forum
That's 7head
jagged bane
getting boosted through a +15 on my brand new warr for weekly
cant decide between arms or prot loot spec
😢
left hatch
and wondering why we have a giga bolstered horse caster and oarsman running at us
strong forum
oily blades you
left hatch
prot if you still need a shiled and its your mainspec
strong forum
nothing personell
fossil sparrow
mfw every bolster week (I've only tanked for like 3weeks at this point)
there's always one that is like
"don't aoe"
fossil sparrow
yeah, that's good, I'll get smacked over the head
left hatch
probably still prot for shield
left hatch
causse a shield will make spamming 15's much much easier
left hatch
i think you only get one roll
just like raid fights if you wanna reroll you have to reclear
strong forum
Well in KR prto loot is pointless
left hatch
oh if its KR go for arms
strong forum
There's nothing but a bad trinket in prot loot
fossil sparrow
get 2 gettikus
strong forum
No
fossil sparrow
strong forum
Don't even mention it
still pagoda
Well in KR prto loot is pointless
KR? More like nearly free rio score
left hatch
isn't it better to have Carapace wep + gettiku offhand
strong forum
KR is the hardest key in the game.
left hatch
idk im not a degenerate fury
still pagoda
yeye
strong forum
Nzoth + getikku
still pagoda
jokes
fossil sparrow
KR is the hardest key in the game.
@strong forum
still pagoda
but seriously. Why even care for the key outside of rio score if it doesn't give you anything else?
strong forum
Not even io
fossil sparrow
loot?
strong forum
Just fun
left hatch
^
sterile mantle
Quick opinion/question
sterile mantle
R3 aegis or R2 CnS
strong forum
Swing swong, your opinion is wrong
strong forum
R3 aegis
strong forum
Honestly
fossil sparrow
even moreso than a r2 cns
strong forum
Use the sphere
left hatch
free constant 300+ haste
strong forum
Sphere is 350+ haste
left hatch
whats bad about that
left hatch
its like 6 sockets in one
strong forum
Also get rid of azerite power weights
sterile mantle
true.....hard to give up null
left hatch
null is giving way less value than you think it is
strong forum
Null in keys is only usable in ToS, WCM workshop and ML
left hatch
its great in raid cause you're constantly consuming it, and does amazing ST dps
but in keys you rarely consume the shield so its a dead slot in like 90% of the time
sterile mantle
So M+ will be better to have like lucid
left hatch
and between that and its poor scaling (both dps wise and defensively) into aoe
strong forum
On average yes
left hatch
its just not great
left hatch
you'll basically never unslot lucid (and CnS once you get it)
and wardens and sphere can be interchanged depending on if you need the resistance
sick sentinel
lucid more valuable than spere?
sterile mantle
without wardens i have 38 corruption
sterile mantle
Im 180 away from 1400 so im working on R3 CnS
left hatch
oh right yo'ure already rolling sphere
hmmm
yah r2 CnS > wardens
tempted to say CoF minor
strong forum
Sphere is very good
still pagoda
tempted to say CoF minor
I just use it because i don't have anything else rn
strong forum
Cof minor is raw dmg that doesn't do a whole lot nor scale with key level
But vers translates better into increased difficulty
Same as haste
left hatch
thats fair
near drift
any guilds recruiting prot wars?
left hatch
so yeh fuck CoF
sterile mantle
Ty Guys
left hatch
this probably wouldn't be a good place to look for recruitment even if it was the right channel
given everyone here is presumably a prot already
last mason
Any guilds recruiting dragoons?
strong forum
There's a #promotion channel
strong forum
In #promotion you can find guilds
last mason
Any guilds recruiting black mage or samurai?
strong forum
That's how I found my ultra toxic non SJW guild
fossil sparrow
is ignore pain..good right now?
strong forum
Idk if troll or not
last mason
Ignore pain, you good?
fossil sparrow
as in, use it, 50k half absorb, get bopped for 300k 👀
left hatch
and if yo'ure getting bopped for 300k you likely don't have SB up
strong forum
To have the already 1mil hit that's reduced to 150k by block then halfed by another 75k cuz of IP
left hatch
of which which almost all of it is absorbed
strong forum
Or the 500k hit, blocked to 200k-100k, then reduced to 120-50k because of IP
So IP is very strong ontop of other DRs
jagged bane
do i still get loot if we dont time the +15?
left hatch
you have a chance t o
strong forum
2 instead of 3 loot pieces
left hatch
drops 2 pieces instead of 3
you'll get your weekly next tuesday tho
or tomorrow if you're EU scum
strong forum
left hatch
(:
strong forum
added Morrison to black list
fossil sparrow
huh, maybe my shield is just shit and the block difference in ilvl is big idk
still pagoda
i think i'm gonna go to sleep now
still pagoda
since i don't want to loose my sanity IRL over all this shit with quarantine
fossil sparrow
even running the dungeons that have shields as much as I can
jagged bane
i'm EU 😄 @left hatch
strong forum
Just get an upgrade lmoa
left hatch
all you 4heads didn't invest in luck stat at irl character creation
sick sentinel
what can you do if you re warrior alt 3 weeks old, and every week you get a trinket, so no high corruption but you have tank 21s and 22s?
left hatch
do visions
rocky linden
One thing, whether you're doing +2 or +15, get Method Dungeon Tools and check out The Weekly Route on raider.io
left hatch
get guerenteed corrupted gear
sick sentinel
i tried to dance around the chest for 3min
but iot doesnt help, every week a shitty trinket
left hatch
5 mask gives a 470 that degrades by 5 ilvls each time you redo it or for 1 less mask
fossil sparrow
some dungeons are just weird with awakened, do you normally only do 3 minibosses in AD?
left hatch
yes
strong forum
Yes
left hatch
because fuck double honor gaurd
fossil sparrow
oh lovely, bursting and necrotic, welp fuck this week
left hatch
honestly only a handful of packs really suck for that
Saurids+dactyl packs in ad come to mind
anything that has little shit mixed in with 1 or 2 big bois thatll stack bursting before you can get ooc
strong forum
Ooc 
jagged bane
are there any good sims for tanks?
or do i just try to use raidbots as best i can?
i didn't get loot in the kr 15 but someone gave me a 465 Embalmer's Steadying Bracers w/ str stam and crit/haste bonus
strong forum
You can only sim for dps
jagged bane
is that good?
strong forum
Crit haste is very good yes
strong forum
Pretty much bis for all warrior specs
jagged bane
oh wow
i lucked out
so excited for my weekly
been doing everything poss
wanna catch up asap ^^
craggy harness
placid mango
does it scale ok with ilvl?
guess what I'd ask is, given a 455 haste>mast, a 445 faralos, or a 460 splitter, should I keep all 3 (survivability, aoe, st) or throw any of them away?
warm plinth
Eh, you can probably get rid of Faralos at this point. I'd probably just use splitter myself but I also don't like to swap gear if I don't have to lol
placid mango
would splitter outdo searing breath in m+?
warm plinth
Not sure, you could sim it probably. It might since it's also 15 ilevels higher
barren crest
does anyone have the macro for removing BoP automatically?
flat sundial
/cancelaura Blessing of Protection
still pagoda
just as with any other /cancelaura
finite gull
Hey guys i am struggling to decide on helmet (mostly M+) I have the 480 engi helmet and just got a 480 abyssal. So its between DC/gizmo and DC/Bastion. Thoughts?
jagged bane
best ring ench?
warm plinth
Haste
cinder storm
DC/Bastion
warm plinth
Kinda depends on how much vers you have to begin with
novel temple
so im about to do a 5 mask
mental crystal
bros help! pls!
i need a guide for mythics +10
that i know which portals i have to take and which not
there is something somewhere? thanks
mental crystal
where exactly?
left hatch
like right on the home page
novel temple
should i use my 470 gloves with TD 3 and 475 bracers with EV3 or globes td3 and 445 ring td1 instead of a 470 ring
mental crystal
ook thanks amte!
left hatch
TD4 will probably be better but
with losing that much secondaries... its tough to say
sick sentinel
guys, is there a downside if i wear mail for td?
armor and str, is that worth a td r2? i want td so badly xD
left hatch
theres a passive that gives you 5% str and stam for being in full plate
so you lose out on that
sick sentinel
Fock
jagged bane
so EU has just gone down
is that now reset?
"Realm restart" it says
i thought it was in like 5 hours or something
hallow phoenix
I just tested actually. Prot only loses stam for not wearing full plate
That being said you lose damage and armor and parry in the form of strength, and the straight up armor loss by going from plate to mail
sterile mantle
a mythic Urchin wouldnt be good?
jolly coral
Any advice for this necrotic week on essences?
I take CnS Major, warden, aegis and VoP minor
hallow phoenix
the moment literally anyone applies any slow, CnS major will stop rooting
outlaw rogues slow passively or some shit
You'd be better off just making sure you have a balance or resto druid in your groups, or any monk
or an ele sham
or some other tricky class
left hatch
flip where you have CnS and VoP
and ditch Aegis for Sphere minor
and there you go
you're set, even in case of emergencies you now have a constant 30% slow you apply to everything and in case of emergency you can leap, intercept or even just walk away
and yeh mb on thinking plate got str % on prot as well
hallow phoenix
I mean thats exactly what the tooltip says
"You gain 5% increase to your primary stat for wearing plate"
and any primary stat proc on us is strength
You dont even gain a 5% stam increase for wearing all plate its like 10+%
small indie company
left hatch
and now cauldron flasks cdon't even consider stam our most important stat lol
they give str too thank god
hallow phoenix
exactly
left hatch
silly that passive isn't updated
hallow phoenix
the Armor Skills passive is just a useless tooltip as prot
left hatch
they really just need to bake the passive into our stats and make other armors unequippable tbh
left hatch
gets rid of this stupid question of 'is this proc worth it'
hallow phoenix
left hatch
they need to make more hood xmog options for not cloth
only one i can think of is the DK starter set
tall zealot
Would you guys go for Bastion & Callous reprisal, or Brace for Impact & Iron Fortress?
Same ilvl
Mythic+
I know bastion is BiS but CR is also shithouse so really don't know which piece to go with haha
left hatch
theres a LOT of generic options that are better than CR
mild ore
should i switch from force multiplier to versa nav with versa amp corruption
amber siren
probably not
left hatch
so best case verse amp will give you an extra 30 on top of the 250 full stack
vs 260 str and 170 haste
ignoring that force can double proc for mastery as well in avatar window
thats gonna be a hard pass
hallow phoenix
and crit if you run UF
left hatch
^
tall zealot
Battlefield anvil is the generic 😦
hallow phoenix
what even is
tall zealot
Sorry battlefield precision
left hatch
id sim it tbh
hallow phoenix
worse for aoe
left hatch
according to bloodmallet yeh, but hectic add cleave is sus af
would need to sim it to check
esp for like 5t aoe
rough quartz
last mason
what woulu guys take iin m+, 465 vial, 465 block, or 460 scale
raw socket
can someone help me decide which trinkets to use
Currently on my tank spec i have 470 big red button, 455 lingering sporpods, and just now i got edicts of the faithless ilvl 440
should i replace sporepods for edicts?
mortal brook
neither are ideal choices
raw socket
i know 😦 its what i got rn
jagged bane
just tanked my first m0
died a couple times but was fun
my UI is absolutely nowhere near where i want it to be
sick sentinel
question: how crucial is it to have 3x bastion of might? I just rolled a 480 chest without a bastions might, is it worth equipping it over a 465 with one of them?
warm plinth
Yes, it's worth equipping
last mason
Which of the following would u guys use in m+, scale, crit block, vial
I feel like vial is technically optimal but it’s a pain the ass to use
Imo
sick sentinel
Scale and block are going to serve you better throughout the dungeon
sick sentinel
Scale and block provide good offensive and defensive value. Vial is ok but it is a pain to use. Jar is good aoe damage but the only defensive benefit it provides is killing the enemy faster 
maiden ravine
haha
had to dps vexiona rather than heal
I stole aggro on the adds from the tanks as ret
tawny maple
I run a 475 scale and a 460 jar just because I like dmg